THEMOVE - Tour de France Stage 13 | The Sir Wiggo & Johan Show

Episode Date: July 18, 2025

Johan Bruyneel and Sir Bradley Wiggins peel back the curtain on the tactics, strategy, and pivotal moments that shaped Stage 13 of the 2025 Tour de France, offering sharp analysis and insider perspective you won’t hear anywhere else. Zwift: Zwift just made it easier than ever to get on the virtual roads. All Zwift-ready trainers come with the new Zwift Cog and Click installed, making them ready to ride from the box - no extras needed. Zwift-ready trainers start at just $299, meaning anyone can jump into world-class indoor training without breaking the bank. No excuses. Just ride! https://zwift.com Ketone-IQ: Take your shot: Get 30% off your subscription, plus a free gift with your second shipment at https://Ketone.com/themove Ventum: Enter Ventum Trivia of the Day for a chance to win the Grand Prize: $5,000 of store credit towards any Ventum bike. Don’t want to leave it to chance, 10% off sitewide using the code THEMOVE10 or 20% off any NS1 road bike build with code NS120  https://ventumracing.com/themove/

Taddey once again, you know, I mean the thing that, the thing that I am not struggling to get my head round, but the thing that is remarkable today was from the start house to the foot of the climb, Taddey was four seconds faster than anyone else. I'm the 2012 Tour de France winner Sir Bradley Wiggins. And I'm Johan Roeniel. I directed my teams to nine Tour de France victories. Welcome to the Sir Wiggle and Johan show, our daily show where we dive deep into the tactics behind every stage of the Tour de France. Welcome back everybody to our show presented like every day by Ketone IQ.

We're going to talk about stage 13 of this year's Tour de France, a up-to-date time trial from Léon-Ville to Péragud, 10.9 kilometres. Yeah, I guess not real surprises of who the winner was. But as every day, Bradley Wiggins with us. Bradley, how did you see the stage? What's your take of the day? My take of the day? In an avoidance of talking about Tadej every day and him being my talking point of the

day, of course he is. But I thought Jonas had a better ride. I was surprised he only lost 34 seconds after yesterday. I think a lot of us may have anticipated the worst case fear in Tadej catching him for two minutes, but that wasn't to be. And I actually thought Jonas had a good day today. It doesn't change much for the next few weeks in the Tour. He's still four minutes behind now in GC.

In terms of giving Tade a race, because Jonas is here to win the Tour, whatever, I don't think he's going to be happy with settling for second place. He's got nothing to lose really. He's been second in the Tour before he's won the Tour. It bodes well for the next two weeks of racing, or certainly the next eight days of racing, nine days of racing with some quite hard summit finishes to come that we may see Jonas and Wiesma really make it difficult for Tadej and not hand this tour to him on a plate. Yeah, yeah, I agree. I was surprised by Jonas' performance after yesterday and it's clear, and he also said that in his interview

after the stage that yesterday he really had a bad day. He acknowledged that, that he was far off his best. And today he was close to his best. And so I think it's really good for the race, Bradley, because if today we see another huge defeat, I mean, it's he's defeated, but it's not a big defeat of Jonas, right? So I think it keeps the race alive, right? Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah. And on that, I'm going to talk about one of our first sponsors of this show. This is the Zwift recently rolled out its new cog and clicked product. It's such a simple yet brilliant product. You can use it almost on any bike that you already own, even one from Walmart, and still feel like you're on a top end smart

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training without breaking the bank. Good, Bradley. So yesterday we already talked a little bit about it, but obviously today was a very, very important stage. Some people even said it was the most important stage of the tour. I don't think it's the most important stage, but still, the situation before today's time trial after yesterday's stage was quite special, I think, and especially from a mental point of view.

I would say, you know, Tadej was on top, Jonas knocked down, but got back up. And then we had this interesting battle between Remco and Lipovic and Oscar Omly and Johanasson. And, you know, now today we saw that Primoz is back in the game. So how do you think everybody of these, especially the main three, four guys, how do you think they woke up this morning? How do they approach this day? Well, I mean, look, it's the Tour de France. We know what it's right to ride the Tour de France. The Tour de France is a long race and we always say it's a long race. And on paper, Tade is the

best rider in the world, perhaps the best rider we have ever seen in the sport, or he's some way to that. And the Tour de France at this stage now, the time gaps are what they are, and you can't get too bogged down with looking at the GC every night at your hotel and thinking, God, how am I going to make four minutes up? At some point, you've got to forget about the time gaps. And it becomes a psychological battle in some cases. So for Jonas, he's going to be wanting to go out every day, regardless of the time deficit already at this stage of the tour, and improve on yesterday's performance.

And look to improve every day or have some really good days and know that he'll probably have a bad day at some point. And just hope that Tade, he he sees a chink in Tadei's armor at some point and pray that Tadei has a bad day when Jonas is having a good day. And so at this stage now, that although Tadei won the stage today, Jonas was closer. So I'm not saying that Tadei is going to be affected by that, but in Jonas' mind, going back to the hotel tonight, he's limited his losses as best he could. He lost 34 seconds to Tade today, which is not a lot, you know? And he caught Remco, which is a psychological improvement for him on yesterday. So that was a good day for Jonas. And that's all he can hope to do from this stage on now is continue

having good days like that. And from his point of view, it's been a win today because he's not lost a huge amount of time to Tade. He's gained time on all of his rivals behind him. And so this tour, you know, isn't over yet. And I think from his point of view, psychologically, he's going to continue to ride like this and try and I'm not saying expose Tadej or put timing to him, but just remind Tadej on a daily basis now that I'm not going anywhere. I'm not giving up this fight and I'm going to still be here

and pushing you all the way to Paris. Yeah, I think you're right. I think for Jonas, you can say, okay, how can I make up four minutes? But you're actually right. Every day you start over and you try to get to get your best performance. You know, they're so focused on the numbers and you could see a change in his demeanor. He was obviously super, super tired, but, you know, he was happy that he put out one

of his best performances ever today. And I think that's ultimately the way you could potentially try to have a chance to win. You know, you tried to have your best performance in the key stages and you hope that one day the other guy has a bad day. That's the only thing I can do in my opinion, right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

And as a team, they had a good day all around, you know, Matteo did a good ride, finished six today, which was an improvement on yesterday. And it looked like from what you're looking at the interviews and the quotes of riders, what they're saying, most of the Visma team had a bad day yesterday. Um, individually, they had a bad day collectively as a team, um, because Tade won in the, in the way he did, but listening to the individual, you know, interviews with the riders, they, they, they had a bad day. You know, you said Jonas had a bad day.

Matteo was very clear. He had a bad day. You said Jonas had a bad day, Matteo was very clear he had a bad day in his interview. You have very few bad days in the Tour de France when you're in the top 10, but as we know, you will have one or two bad days. If that's their bad days out the way, then they're still going to race for it this Tour. Before the stage also, we were talking a lot about the equipment choices Bradley. So we had Remco on a TT bike with no TT helmet. Jonas full TT except this wheel. You know the time trial bike, time trial helmet, Lebowitz on a time trial helmet, oh time trial bike and Roglic on a time trial bike. And then you see Pogacar, he's on an aero road bike. I saw somewhere it's a modified aero bike at 6.9 kilos. So, the lightest it can be. What do you think of those choices?

Well, look, you know, it's, you know, there's a lot of thought, you thought that goes into these equipment choices from these teams and it's a year in the planning, a year in planning this stuff. As we know, they have specialists aerodynamicists, they've got specialists in equipment choices and people working with the team. Bora Hansgrohe, Red Bull, they've got Dan Bingham, who's an expert in that field and performance and aerodynamics and equipment choices. So, you know, these people are experts in what they do. And they would have studied this, they would have looked at the control, you know, months in advance and made these gear, you know, these selections

off of the equipment they have available to them. Because let's not forget, specialized don't have an aerobike. They have the mountain bike, the climbing bike, and they have a time trial bike. Now once again, their equipment choices are all put into question because of the performance of Tade on the equipment Tade used. If you take Tade out of the equation, seemingly the first four or five guys were all on aerobikes, on time trial bikes. So actually it wasn't that bad a selection. Rolich I thought had a great performance there and has moved himself into a potential podium in this tour in the next few

weeks or so. I thought Lipowicz did the ride of his life today on a time trial bike. Remco was off his game. Whether he'd have been on a road bike or a time trial bike, he just didn't have it physically. And Tade once again, you know, I mean, the thing that, the thing that I, I'm not struggling to get my head round, but the thing that is remarkable today was from the start house to the foot of the climb, Tade was four seconds faster than anyone else. Anybody on those time trial, on time trial bikes. And on top of that, we know that Remco, for example, started out with full motivation. He was up there with that. He had the second best time, right, at the first split.

Tadej averaged 27 miles an hour to the foot of the climb and then continued to take time out of everybody by every kilometer. I mean, to talk about those time trial bikes trial bikes, you know, before the start, I would say, my, my, you know, my thought was, this makes no sense, you know, these time trial bikes. But then thinking about what I learned yesterday at the tour, that aero bikes are actually more effective already at 20 kilometers per hour, more or less. If you see the average speed on this climb

is 27, 28 kilometers, the first guys. And on top of that, as you say, Bradley, these guys have trained this. They don't test anything here, they know. I think when I saw an interview of Klaus Lodeweck before the start, now it's actually not so relevant because Remco had a counter performance, but he said, you know, they tested everything. They modified the position a little bit. So, you know, it's not the exact time trial position as if it would be completely aero all the time. But these guys just are able to produce the same kind of power on their

time trial bikes. I mean, if you see the amount of the beat and we talked about it, Bradley, Jonas was in the, in the, on the rest day on his time trial bike. So that was for a reason. But if you see these images when he's on altitude training camps, how many times he is uphill on his time trial bike, it's, it's there all the time on it. Yeah. So, I mean, it's proven today that we were wrong. I mean, me at least, I was wrong. Second, third and fourth are on time trial bikes and today doesn't really matter which bike you give him, right? If he would have been on a time trial bike, I personally think he would probably have been faster also. But anyways, his bike is actually also very aero. It was just his position that was a bit different.

But yeah, interesting choices. And yeah, and those speeds, man. I mean, up Père Sourde and then Père Agude, which is extremely steep and having 28-29 kilometers average. That's pretty impressive. Before we go on, Bradley, I want to talk about Ketone IQ, our presenting sponsor. It's proven that ketones are being widely used in endurance sports, especially in the Tour de France. My personal preferred format is the 10 gram shot, no caffeine, no sugar. Take one in the morning, then one before my ride and sometimes even one in the middle of my ride. It boosts athletic performance. In a study with trained athletes, Ketone IQ has found that ketones boost average sprint power by 19%, peak power by 13%, gut fatigue by 10% and spiked blood ketones

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Pogacar wins, uh, Jonas is second at 36 seconds. Primos is fourth at one minute 20 and Lipovic is fourth at almost two minutes. As we said yesterday, you know, after his exhibition yesterday on Otakam, we could have said, and we were even talking, hey, you know, he's probably going to see Jonas. He never saw him. So I think Jonas did a great ride. Do you think Pogacar So, I think you know, not to the great right. Do you think Bogatjar would be disappointed with his results of today? He wins the stage. Do you think, do you think, I mean, I think at least maybe we built up the expectation

a bit too much, you know, and that's also obviously today's responsibility because he's been spoiling us with monster performances, right? I don't think so. I think that they will work every day, they will go out of work on the basis that Jonas is going to have one of his best days compared to last year and in terms of numbers. But they'd like to put him in a position where he has to find that out for himself. So yesterday, if Jonas was on a good day yesterday, Tadej would have found that out. But obviously, knowing now that Jonas was on a bad day and Tadej attacked at the foot of the climb, he could maximize his time

gain on Jonas. But today, no, I think Tadej, if that was Jonas on a good day today, Tadej has still put 34 seconds into it. Exactly. So Tadej is just going to work on anything more than that is a bonus. But that shows the true numbers here. And don't forget Tadej, we always talk about Jonas with the Jonas thing. We don't know if Tadej is having bad days based on his crash the other day. Tadej had that fall the other day. We questioned, there was talk that he had a cold as well. And he still did what he did yesterday on that client. Today could actually have been the worst day after the crash. Normally it's, you know, until 72 hours after. So, um, yeah, I mean, I saw, I saw the interview of, of Johnetti

afterwards and, you know, then you see how much, how much detail that I have put into the preparation. I mean, I even saw a feature on the bike today was gonna use a journalist published like a whole bunch of pictures and a video that he had been given access by the team to the paddock of where they were and taking pictures of the bike he was gonna use. And it was so it was the Aero bike, the Colnago Aero bike, but it was the white bike. So this guy just published all the pictures.

This is the bike Pogacar is going to ride. It was like an hour before the start. Then Pogacar shows up at the podium with a black bike. No paint. Now they put a lot of detail into the preparation. They have left no stone unturned. Yeah, yeah. I mean, Tadej now is also within 30 points of Jonathan Milán for the green.

And the likelihood is Tadej will win a few more stages in this race. So that's looking like a possibility. And also he's now by 10 points by 10 points, I think in lead of the kingdom out his competition. It's quite incredible. It could be what we said that, you know, since Eddie Marks, another rider is going to win all jerseys except white. Yeah. Yeah. I'm kind of thinking Bradley when Eddie did that, I think he was 24 and there was no white jersey yet. No, there wasn't.

No. Okay. So I see what that one for. Yeah. What do you think about ASO this morning? Increasing the time delay today because based on the performance of Tadej and had it been 33%, which is about seven and a half minutes, we'd have had quite a few outside the time today, at least 10.

Wow. I haven't checked the results. Would it have been 10 riders home? Yeah, Spencer had a look at it, but it'd have been about 10 riders, nine or 10. Wow. And today nobody home? No, no, not today. No, because they increased it to 40.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. 40%. Wow. I mean, yeah, I mean, listen, they know what they're doing, you know, and, uh, but did they do that before the start? Yeah. Already? Yeah. They did it this morning. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, hey, you know, and rules are there. I mean, nobody would say rules cannot be changed during the game, right? But, um, nah, I mean, listen, I think nobody should, nobody should go home, uh, at this point in

this race because of a time trial, you know, I mean, it's, if it's a hard mountain stage, but, but I mean, it's true. I mean, I think yesterday, Bradley, I mean, if I'm not mistaken, it was very late for me. So I may have, uh, misunderstood, but didn't we say it was going to be like about 35 minute effort? Yeah, I thought it would be. Yeah, yeah. It's, it was 23. I know.

I know. Incredible. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy. That's crazy. Um, what do you think about, uh, I mean, you know, silently, um, and you know, the thing, but I, when I'm still a bit doubtful, he has a little bit of his ups

and downs, but Primos, Primos is there. I'll tell you what he has ridden a very crafty race, particularly with what he was saying at the start of this tour, that he wasn't interested, he doesn't care about the tour, um, You know, uh, but for, you know, this has been the only tour I can remember for a long, long time that he stayed upright in the first half. He has not crashed at all. And that was obviously an issue for the last few years. Um, and you know what, you know, had he committed in the first part of this race and ridden how he normally does

and gone for the win, I think he knows now and he's already said, I'm, I'm going to start going to races that Tadej doesn't go to anymore. He's accepted that Tadej is unbeatable in his eyes. Yeah. But in terms of getting on the podium, he's ridden the perfect race to this point. Yeah. You know, and we anticipate that Remco is going to fall away from the GC massively.

You know, I can't see how he can tell. I'm afraid. I'm afraid so. I'm afraid so. So you take Remco out of that third place at the moment, you've got Lipovic, Onley, Vaclan and Rollitsch. That little foursome are now going for that third place. And I wouldn't put money against Rollitsch getting that third place.

Johan Larson is also in the game. A little bit further off. is also in the game. Primoz is a solid guy, and now when he sees an objective there, because for Primoz, that third spot would taste like a victory in any other ground tour. It would equal a victory in the Vuelta or the Giro in my opinion, behind those two guys. How did he play it with Lipovic? opinion behind those two guys. And how did he play it with Lipovic? Well, I mean, Lipovic, listen, it's not a bad situation to have for Red Bull, right? So, Lipovic is obviously discovering himself. It looks great. I mean, today was a stellar performance, for a young guy to be still at that level after 13 days, after this incredible ride yesterday, that's impressive.

I don't dislike it for them. They could have one guy on the podium and two guys in the top five. How do you think this bodes for next year if indeed Remco has gone to Red Bull? What does that mean, Filipovic, if Remco is coming there? Well, you know, listen, we have to, I think we have to, if it's true, and I think it's either done or it will happen. Remco goes to Red Bull. Let's not forget this is a super class rider, right? I mean, let's just take the tour out of the equation. Oh yeah, yeah.

He's, you know, top three, top five in the world. So obviously, you know, he's an interesting rider for any team. And also in the case of Red Bull, I would say, you know, if you really aspire to become one of the best teams again, and you look at who's available, all the best guys and the best prospects are with UAE. You know, it's Taddei, and there's Del Toro, and there's Ayuso, and there's Almeida. They're all there on long-term contracts,

and they don't seem to want to leave. Right? So there's not that many options. Remco is the guy, you know, and then also what we need to take into account is can Remco still improve when he's in a super, super professionalized environment? Because with due respect, I think the environment at Sudah Quickstep, it is super professional, but they have more limited resources. You know, and I think that some of the initiatives probably come from Remco himself.

If he goes to Red Bull, they have everything, the whole science around the performance covered. And you know, it's brought to you and you just need to buy into it. Right. And then everything gets done for you to get to your objective. So I think from that point of view, I think Remco can still improve now. Can he improve so he can beat at this moment the level of today and Jonas? I'm going to say no, no, I don't see it happening. He would need to improve a lot. the level of today and Jonas, I'm gonna say no. I don't see it happening. He would need to improve a lot. But listen, let's not forget this guy.

Okay, last year he was third. Now it seems to be not gonna work out. He's still in third. He's still in third, right? So, but also, you know, he had a very, very defective beginning of the season. You know, he was four months stopped after that crash. Yeah, yeah.

This can all catch up now. You know, he came back very strong, won his first race, then he almost beat Tadej in the Amstel, you know, in his second race. And then it kind of went down a bit. And he hasn't been at that level that he expected, you know? So, yeah, I mean, I feel for, I mean, I think right now for Remco, it's, or listen, or maybe something, maybe he's sick or maybe he's getting sick. Who knows? Yeah, who knows?

It can happen in the tour, right? Obviously now for Remco, it's going to be a mental game. It's going to be how strong he is mentally and can he hang in there and will he fight for fifth or sixth or will he lose time and go for a stage win? We don't know. But yeah, I mean, I would be scratching my head if I'm the people at the team that hired him for next year, because I think it's clear that he's not saying it's Sudol. So whether it's Inaios or Red Bull, I was scratching my head because I would assume that in order to make that transfer, they paid a lot of money. A lot of money.

First of all, the salary, which in my opinion is huge. And then the buyout, right? And then obviously also some people around him who are going to come with this, the director going to come with him as one year, a mechanic, a teammate. It's a big package, you know? So I mean, yeah, obviously, listen, today is the, that's, I think that's the disappointment of the day. But I mean, I mean, I feel bad for him because, you know, I'm sure, you know, I mean, we see where it goes from here, but yeah, you know, it's, as we know, you can have a bad day in the tour. Yeah. You know, it's a test of his character now, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. No, no, listen, this is, this is, we'll see how, we'll see how mentally,

how strong he is. Just wanna touch one last thing about Tadej Radley. Everything's prepared, equipment, communication and strategy. I have this quote here from Tadej, his interview. After the stage, he says, I decided to go without a radio today. So I was just relying on the

time checks at the time points. I saw that I was ahead in green at the first check. The second one was a bit bigger. So I knew I was doing a good time trial. I didn't want to blow up. So I reset for the final three kilometers because I wanted to come to the steep last deep part with good legs. And then when he came to the finish, which is also very rare, as you see here in the picture behind me, he saw the green and he he made the victory salute, which is rare for time trials. You did that, no, you in your last time trial in the tour, no? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And in the Olympics also?

No, not the Olympics. No, no. OK. Just yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And the Olympics also? No, not the Olympics. No, no. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But, um, yeah, this is stage 13. I mean, I cannot, I mean, Bradley, if you look at the race book and you see the stages, they still have a head. It's quite something. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, yeah, we've got, um, we've got Mont Ventoux after the rest day. That's going to be a big one. Yeah. La Plagne, of course. Um, Cal de la Loz.

Cal de la Loz. Yeah. And then, and then tomorrow's stage on Superbanière and then to Inter Malaise. So before we talk about that, I want to talk about our daily Ventum trivia, Bradley. Um, yesterday's question, uh question was about the Hota Cam. First time featured in 1994, the Hota Cam has earned the reputation as an infamous climb in the Pyrenees, including stage 12 yesterday.

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to purchase with the code NS120. So Ventumracing.com slash THEMOV Um, tomorrow stage, Bradley stage 14, um, 182 kilometers. So I mean for a mountain stage, quite a long stage, 5,000 meters of elevation with, uh, the two big climbs or the tour Malay and super Baniere there's two other climbs. There's the Aspen and the pay the suit. So what they did today until the turn, they do again. So they come from Loup d'en-Ville, they go up the Pérassur. Yeah, I mean, it's a hard stage, but what do you think? Do you see the breakaway? I think Tadeu will win again. Yeah, I think it's going, um, I think Taddeo win again.

Yeah. I think it's going to be very similar to, I think it's going to be very similar to yesterday. Um, I think there'll be a big break in the morning again, because everyone will want to try and get into the break. Lots, lots with it to go as far in the stage as possible. The mountains, jerseys fill up. There's some big points on the mountains tomorrow. Um, and also lots of people will want to get into the break for

sliding space to help their team over the tourmalet. So I think that it will be flat out from the start. Of course, you'll have little trek as well that will want to try and keep Jonathan there as long as possible for the sprint intermediate sprint before the tourmalet, which will be a difficult one for them. So I think it's going to be fast and furious from the start. Yeah. And then of course, we hit the tourmalet, you know, it's a long, long tourmalet side tomorrow. And I think, you know, naturally through the day, as the racing picks up, Visma aren't going to be stay quiet through the race. They're going to, they're going to, they'll have a, we don't know what tactic they're going to deploy tomorrow, but you know, and I think it all come down

to super bannier tomorrow and there'll be a race. Whether Jonas tries something or not tomorrow, whether Matteo tries to go in the break and get some space, who knows. But I think it will be very similar to yesterday and Tadde will probably make a move again. That's as I predict. I mean, Superbanière is hard. It's a horse category climb also. I mean, anyways, Otakam is also a horse category climb. I personally think that if Jonathan Milan is not in the break, the Breakerway has no chance at all. They need to get those points at the bottom of the Tourmalet. And I mean, if I would be a little freck, I mean, I would just go for that. You know, I mean, if they're only objective, they have nothing else to do in today's, in tomorrow's stage.

No, no. And once you get to the Tourmalet, then it's clear that nobody of the breakaway is going to make it because, I mean, even if there's some tactics going on on the Tourmalet, which you could potentially say at the beginning, because the first slopes are not so steep. No, no. But still, you know, you can never get far enough ahead with the breakaway to make it to the finish if the break hasn't gone from long before the Tourmalet. So what is it?

Is it if we look at the profile, what is it? Is it what is it 70k to the bottom of the? Yeah, 70k. Yeah. Yeah, 70k. Yeah, 70 kilometers. So, yeah, it's going to be difficult to get a big... I mean, yesterday was 120 kilometers to the Sular, and they never got more than two minutes or three minutes or something at some point, right?

So we'll be back tomorrow. Bradley, thank you, like every day. And speak soon. See you later. Bye.