THEMOVE - Tour de France Stage 16 | The Sir Wiggo & Johan Show

Episode Date: July 22, 2025

Johan Bruyneel and Sir Bradley Wiggins peel back the curtain on the tactics, strategy, and pivotal moments that shaped Stage 16 of the 2025 Tour de France, offering sharp analysis and insider perspective you won’t hear anywhere else. LMNT: Get your free 8-count Sample Pack with any LMNT purchase at https://drinklmnt.com/themove Be sure to try the new LMNT Sparkling — a bold, 16-ounce can of sparkling electrolyte water. Ketone-IQ: Take your shot: Get 30% off your subscription, plus a free gift with your second shipment at https://Ketone.com/themove Ventum: Enter Ventum Trivia of the Day for a chance to win the Grand Prize: $5,000 of store credit towards any Ventum bike. Don’t want to leave it to chance, 10% off sitewide using the code THEMOVE10 or 20% off any NS1 road bike build with code NS120  https://ventumracing.com/themove/

There is not, I mean in my opinion, there's not any sign of weakness. Have you seen something in Bogacar? No, I mean he was pulling more faces in Jonas' first attack today than he has the whole tour. And it's funny, you're right, we were doing the same thing. You know, we are secretly hoping with a view that we have an exciting race on if Tadej does crack at this stage. And also to see a glimpse that he's human because of the performances he has been doing and and the smallest thing we've looked for and found today was see he had to get out the saddle for the first time in this tour when when Jonas

attacked and he doesn't normally get out the saddle I mean yeah if that's what we're looking for it's crazy isn't? I'm the 2012 Tour de France winner Sir Bradley Wiggins. And I'm Johan Bruniel. I directed my teams to nine Tour de France victories. Welcome to the Sir Wiggle and Johan show. Our daily show where we dive deep into the tactics behind every stage of the Tour de France. Hi everybody, welcome back to our show. Today we are talking about stage 16 from Montpellier to Mont Ventoux, 171 kilometers. As every day our show is presented by Ketone IQ and as every day I'm joined by Sir Bradley Wiggins.

Bradley, what did you think of today's stage? What's Bradley's take of today? Well, today was quite an exciting stage. I mean, such a special stage, isn't it? Mont Ventoux always is. And I was sure to be here quite early to watch the full ascent. And so much happened on the climb in different ways, obviously different dynamics, different races that were going on.

But I really enjoyed the final kilometers. The four guys, Ben Healy, who was incredible again today, battling out for the stage win. It looked like Enrico Mas had a hold on it at one point. But then the return of Sue Dahl's Van Walde, the Belgian who came out of nowhere. And he looked like at the time, he looked like I thought he was a spectator coming onto the route. It looked like he was riding an e-bike because I hadn't seen him anywhere on the climb. I didn't even know he was in the race and you saw him gesticulating

to his teammate and it was just enough momentum that he provided in that final couple hundred meters to keep the four guys moving, to nullify anyone who wanted to attack off that, to set up the sprint with Ben Healy and his teammate, of course, Valentin Paré Pintre for the final sprint. And first French victory on this Tour de France, which was, I thought, well deserved. Yeah, and not on a French team, unfortunately. But yeah, yeah, Van Wilder was also part of the breakaway, of the big breakaway. And I'm going to guess the reason.

I mean, you're right. There's two reasons. He went to the front to keep the momentum going because they were stopping, going, stopping, and also probably out of fear that maybe either Vingegaard or Pogacar could come from the back, you know, because if they keep a little bit longer looking at each other, it could have been that they didn't sprint for the, for the finish. But yeah, Van Wilder was amazing. Really, you know, a split second decision.

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electrolyte water. Okay, Bradley, I have another take of the day. My take of the day is when I started to watch the broadcast, I saw Richard Verinck being the special guest of ASO in Tour de France and he was a guest in the car of race director Christian Pridhomme. Richard Verinck also the last French winner on Mont Ventoux, I think 2002 probably. 2002, 23 years ago. Yeah, 2002 from a breakaway. He was on, he was actually on the same team that won today. He was on, he was on double Farfetch'd.

It was his Patrick Lefebvre's team. Yeah. And I have a really nice story about that, Bradley. You know, so we were in the lead. It was the same kind of stage, you know, easier stage. And then just the Ventoux. And I was very fortunate to have Robin Williams rest in peace as my special guest in the car.

And I was, you know, I was a guest of him being the comedian in the car. It was nonstop. One man show Robin Williams. I was dead. I was laughing so hard and I couldn't concentrate on the race. And it wasn't really necessary because there was a big breakaway. The team had it under control until about 20k before the foot of the Mont Ventoux. I had to say to Robin, I said, Robin, I'm sorry, but now I need to do my job. I need to concentrate on the race. I need to give instructions to the guys. So would it be okay if you just, you know, don't be so funny anymore? And he just went from here to completely silent,

didn't say a word anymore for that. And the whole Vantoux, you know, he was super quiet, you know, and as soon as we crossed the finish line and in the downhill because we had to drive down to the hotel, he was going again. So I still have that fresh in my memory, such a special moment to be able to share with Robin Williams. Yeah, that was a, he was a huge bike fan, you know, he was... I know, I had a huge bike fan. You know, he was, I know, I know.

I had breakfast with him once we were at the start of the tour of California in 2008. I was on the same team as George then, um, high road. And we were, we were having breakfast overlooking in San Francisco, overlooking Alcatraz and, and, um, you know, Robin lived in San Francisco, didn't he say he came along to see George and he had the whole of our table, it was eight riders from the race to staff. And he had us all mesmerized and entertained for about 20 minutes doing impressions. And he was doing impressions of Vladislav Ekimov in Russian and recounting stories,

but it was incredible. A great experience. It was a genius. He was a genius. It was unbelievable. And he had quite a bike. He was a genius. It was unbelievable. And he had quite a bike collection as well, didn't he? Bike collection. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. He had a lot of special bikes. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, the stage of today, Bradley. So we have a big breakaway from the beginning, different

groups, you know, first three guys, then a lot of guys get together. Surprisingly, there's two Vismas in there, maybe not so surprisingly, but also two riders from UAE. Who was it? Mark Soler and Pavel Sivakov. But, you know, I think we kind of knew since Tish Benoot and Victor Carpenaerts, again Carpenaerts in the break, the purpose was obviously not to try to win the stage, but to be there when Jonas... And they both did, didn't they? They both offered assistance.

And they both did. So that was actually great. When we get to the bottom of the climb, we have Wismar in the main peloton. We have Wismar start to do a tempo with Bernhardt, who does an amazing lead out and then Simon Yates a bit, Sepp Kuss, Jonas attacks. But straight away we see that Tadej is on the wheel. Do you think, Johan, do you think the way Vismar set up today, I mean they did a great job in executing that plan, but what do they do differently between now and on the next two climbs? La

Plagne, Côte de la Lose, Glendon, all these climbs to come. I mean, because Jonas had, I think, one of his best days in the tour today. Yeah, he was really good. He was really good. Honestly, Bradley, I don't think there's anything different they can do. They need to keep testing today and hope for that one week moment, which can happen. It can happen, right? We've been reading a little bit about lingering illness or sore throat.

I don't know how much of that is true. Doesn't look like he's thinking to me the way he reacts, but they did things the way they should have done. You know what I mean? You can only try and put the pressure on and hope that, and maybe also the psychological effect of, you know, the Ventoux was after all the first time that Jonas dropped Tadej in 2000, was it 2021?

2021, yeah. So, yeah, I mean, I think they did the right thing. They're probably gonna do the same thing. What else can they do? I mean, what else could they do? I'm not too sure I mean the only thing that they can hope for in executing a plan like that again is that there's more climbs before the last climb So multiple climbs during the day but obviously the risk of that is they blow themselves up and

And Jonas but he's you know One thing I have respect for Jonas in doing is that he's not lying down and accepted second place in the Tour de France. No, absolutely not. He's trying. Yeah. Yeah. I think if they want to use the same tactics, and I think they will, the other two stages are probably more suited for it because, you know, if, if, and then Jonas would have to go on the second last time because ultimately whoever you have in the break, Bradley, it's going to be, if it's Campenaerts again, or, or, or

Bernard or even well Bernard, you know, on the last climb, whether it's Laplani or Col de la L'Eau, those are two really hard, there's not much they can do because once, once you're not, is at his speed, there's not much they will be able to do. So I think, you know, from that point of view, they need to send riders in the break and then hope that Jonas can attack on the second last climb. Yeah. What is it? Is it the Madeleine or the Glandon or the stage of Rue Valois? And then the other one, I mean, I don't remember now.

You know, they're hard clients, right? They're really hard clients. Um, then again, you know, they're all on their limit, right? It's not like, okay, Jonas is definitely at a really good level, but you know, in order to, you have to be much better than your rival to be able to drop him and then keep him in distance, you know, because I don't think Pugacar will be alone either. He will also probably have a guy like Sivakov or a guy like Soler in the break or Valence, right?

But hey, man, they keep trying. That's, that's, that's the good thing, you know? I think the, it was nice to see that you're not, he attacked three times, right? Jonas? Yeah, yeah. So they attacked once and saw that he couldn't I mean, then at the end, but he saw he couldn't drop him. He had dropped him a bit, I think, but I think they're quite even actually for the moment. And the difference is made, it's, what is it now?

Four minutes, 15? Or 15, and then Jonas has got a five minute cushion to the third in Librovic. Yeah, yeah. So whatever he does try, you know, he's not gonna lose five minutes if he cracks and loses second GC. No, no, no.

So the situation right now is that he can really play everything to win and not lose anything he has. I think we're going to see two very, very, very nice stages. But Bradley, before we talk about how it developed at the end between those four guys, today the record was broken of the Mont Ventoux. So it was Ivan Mayo who had the record from a time trial in 2004 was 55 minutes, 51 seconds. So, Dauphiné, which is eight days, so I'm going to guess if I remember correctly, was the fourth or the fifth day probably after four days of racing, an individual time trial. And today is after 16 stages and after a long stage.

And he broke it, Pogacar and Jonas broke the record by one minute and then seconds, I think, um, I think third and fourth and fifth, I mean, or, or the guys who just came behind, which was Roglic and Lipovic and who was it only then the next guy? Only. Um, yeah, I mean, they were also very close to the, either they broke it or very close to the next guy. Yeah. I mean, they were also very close to the, either they broke it or very close to the record of, you know, but if you compare this with other times, and I think this, this is really amazing, you

know, so if you remember Chris Froome won on the Vantoux when he dropped his Contador and the Kitana. Yeah. Yeah. Four, it four minutes slower, 58 minutes, 47 seconds, four minutes slower than today. When Lance, uh, was there with Pantani, um, Lance did 59 minutes. Uh, Andy Schleck, when had the fastest time in 2009 was 58 minutes 45. Do you remember your time? I think I was a minute down on Andy that day. So sub one hour. No, no, you were not.

You were not. You were less than a minute. You were 38 seconds down. You did 59. Okay. So you did more or less the same time as Lance in 2002. So, but you know, it's four and a half minutes slower than Pogacar and Rengagard today. Yeah. I'll take that. And, and, and, and, uh, yeah, I mean, yeah. Still faster than, uh, still faster than

Jean-Francois Bernard in 1987. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. He was on his way to winning, which was a time trial also. That was a time trial. It was a time trial. He was on, on to winning the tour. Which was a time trial also. That was a time trial. It was a time trial. He was on La Ville Claire or Toshiba. I don't remember what it was, but yeah, he was on his way to winning the tour. And I think the day after, two days after he lost the yellow jersey on a puncture. He had a puncture.

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Bradley, the way the stage was won. So we see Enric Maas does an amazing at that. Personally, when we had those three riders who started together was Henrik Maas and Alaphilippe and Arndt Man. Who did you think was going to win? Me too. I actually didn't think anyone from that group would win. I still thought that the Yellow Jersey group would catch them in some form, whether it was Zitade on his own or Zetade and Jonas. But that, you know, obviously they got to within 40 seconds, I think by

the finish. But no, I did. I know how long Vonto is. I know it's a long old slog. And really at that point, I think it had five minutes 30 when they hit that climb. I thought if Zetade launches like he did at Hotecam or Jonas starts attacking earlier than he did, then that gap would have come down quite quickly. But it wasn't to be. And the first attacks didn't really come to your chalet, Renard, I don't think. So I still at that point didn't think that any one of those guys would hold out on the one hour climb. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, finally, you know, finally was none of those three. Uh, you know, that Ben Healy, I think Ben Healy is just on incredible form. He moved up into the GC. He moved up in GC, right? So he passed Carlos Rodriguez again, I'm guessing. Yeah. He's up to ninth now. What a great tour he's having.

Yeah. Yeah. And solidly in ninth and he's even, I mean, he's getting closer to Tobias Johannesson, who by the way, I don't know if you read that had a little problem after the finish. They had to kind of take him away with oxygen was carried away. Yeah. Carried away in the ambulance. But then afterwards, Tor Hussoff came out with a statement that it was a stomach problem and then he kind of he collapsed in the bus but that he was he was he was on his way back to the bus and he was he was fine but obviously you know if you have a hit like this in the next two mountain stages it's not not

good we haven't seen him at all today no no we didn't see him at all. No. No. And then so anyway, so Parapanter, Healy and Buitrago come back to Enric Mas. There it's clear that Enric didn't have it. It was headwind also at the end, you know, so that apparently from Chalernard to the finish was headwind. But yeah, then, you know, you kind of think, okay, one of these three is going to win, but they kept going and stopping and going and stopping. Obviously, I mean, I think that the luck of Parapanter and Buitrago was that Healy had an incentive to gain a spot or two spots in GC, don't you think? Yeah, yeah. I mean... Yeah, you just don't know. I mean, you just don't know these...

Ben Healy looked like he was racing for the stage win, not GC. Which was incredible, really. After the Tour de France he's had. And also, yeah, I mean, also watching that this morning it was on again to get into the break I mean it was on for a long time 50k an hour and Nils Pollet was again once again doing an incredible job and there was some talk on the commentary that I was watching that Nils might get a yellow card tonight for intimidation which is ridiculous

so fighting with someone else or something? well no I mean it wasn't physically fighting, not even yelling, just being a presence and making a nuisance of himself in terms of marshalling everything. So I think it's difficult to get a yellow card for that. Yeah, exactly. But it's, it's incredible how, how you even marshal that and how you even who decides that. But yeah, I mean, UAE, they did a great job in letting that thing go this morning. But in the end, a big break went. And to be honest, I never expected any

of them to make it to the top of that climb. But there was quite a few in there that did. Just about. Because Tadej and Jonas were closing down quite quickly. Yeah. Yeah. And also, Bradley, I've heard the, I mean, I'm always switching channels to listen to different commentaries and sometimes in different languages. And I heard today, and, and also a few analysts, you know, like people say, Oh, you know, today, look at his facial expression. Look, he lost half a meter. You know, it's like we're, we're trying to cling on something to find something that in my opinion is not there.

Jonas is obviously back to his really, really top good level, but there is not, I mean, in my opinion, there's not any sign of weakness. Have you seen something in Pogacar? He was pulling more faces in Jonas's first attack today than he has the whole tour. And it's funny, you're right, we were doing the same thing. You know, we are secretly hoping with a view that we have an exciting race on it if Tadej does crack at this stage. And also to see a glimpse that he's human because of the performances he has been doing. And the smallest thing we've looked for and found today was see, he had to get out the saddle for the first time in this tour when Jonas

attacked and he doesn't normally get out the saddle. I mean, if that's what we're looking for, it's crazy, isn't it? I mean, yeah, I personally think, you know, you know, for all these people who are looking, you know, unless he's sick, I don't think it's going to happen. Yeah. There was, there was even one comment today that look, he's on his light bike. That must mean that he's looking for every possible piece of weight gain as opposed to

the painted bike. If you have, yeah. But it is strange. That's the level of his dominance that we are looking at any. Yeah, I mean, it's, they I mean, they did really a good job. You know, now they got the... Because when I was at the tour, I saw the bikes there, was for the stage of Hota Kam.

So he used the aero bike, but the painted one in the world, in the rainbow. Machin told me they got it down to 7.1 kilos. Then he used a super light one for the tantra. And now this is I think a different one still. But it's down to 6.9 kilos. So it's only 100 grams heavier than the minimum weight. Plus, you know, if you would think on a stage like today, you know, especially if it's just one climb, climb, a lot of flats plus on Mont Ventudier, especially from Charles-Erinard to the finish, the speeds are also above 20 kilometers per hour, I guess. Yeah, yeah. I think that's the end of the, of the climbing bikes.

Every single brand is going to make super light aero bikes, which is going to be used all the time now by the champions. Don't you think? Yeah, I think you're right. I think it's definitely, yeah, every, I mean, even now riding skinsuit, when we watched the Frumie, when I watched the Frum stuff, they were showing the footage of Frumie 2016 climbing up there. So nine years ago, and he's still got bib shorts and a jersey on.

Now everyone's wearing, suits on the clone. You guys at Sky were the guys who started with that. We started with filled in helmets and skin suits at the Giro in 2010. And I remember rolling out on one of the stages in the Giro for the flat stage, we wore filled in helmets and a skin suit. And Filippo Pizzato came up to us and he's going hey Cazzo fai, yo, sky, you know like like we were crazy. Are you I mean pretty sure you were you were you were you were getting laughed at I am 100% sure that was just not the dog.

And I was the first rider to do a warm down after a stage on a turbo trainer. Yeah. Yeah we brought a lot of stuff in but do you know who the first rider ever to wear a skin suit in a road stage of the Tour de France was? I don't know. Eddie Murks. 1986, the Col de Bisc, Sean... Steven Roach. War for La Redoute.

Steven Roach. War. He said it was a silk, silk skin suit because the stage was 40 kilometers. It was a split stage. Uh-huh. And he won in the morning and Laura Duke was of course, you know, he had a pursuer in there, Alan Bondo. Yeah. And Bondo said, you know, why don't you wear a skin suit for this? It'll be quicker. So Stephen went to the start with the normal jersey on over his skin suit because he thought

everyone would go, hey, what are you doing? You're crazy. And he took it off during the stage 40 kilometer stage and he won solo that day. Yeah. Wow. Okay. So he was, he was the trans. He was the first official. Yeah.

Well, you know, Merck's when Merck's did the hour record, that was one of the first skin suits ever made. Actually, you know what? I was, I went, uh, I know, I think I sent you the pictures a long time ago. I didn't have your number yet. We were communicating on Instagram and I paid a visit to my first team director when I was a pro was Ferdinand Bracke. Yeah. Who was third at the Tour 1 of Vuelta and was at the Hour Record. And he showed me he still had his skin suit.

It was handmade, specially made. It was basically a silk shirt, was sewed to the pants. And a zipper at the back. That was for the hour record also. Yeah. Okay, Bradley, one thing I'm seeing about Pogacar, we've said it already many times, today was another example of him racing really more mature,

more calculated, more conservative, especially because he doesn't have to, right? As we're all thinking, okay, Vontu is going to come, he's going to go and he's going to explode everything. He just doesn't. Do you think that's because he feels like he doesn't have the power to drop Jonas or just because he says, okay, no need? I think that he's won this Tour de France and he's won four stages and he's not getting carried away with the hype of us wanting entertainment. So he's riding as he should ride, you know, rather, you know,

he's not a performing monkey, you know, but we all want him to go on every climb and break the thing to pieces and for our entertainment. But he's actually racing it as he should be racing it now with a four minute 15 lead with a team as strong as Visma. And so he's doing the correct thing. We've some really tough stages still to come in this race. And yeah, I mean, he's not getting carried away with our expectations of him because he's so great, because of these exploits in the last two years in the sport. You know, we have we're a lot of expectation on him really, and me especially, you know, I'm wanting him to do everything on these climbs that all of us only ever dream of.

Yeah, as a spectator, I would like to see that if I would be his director, I would love the way he's racing. Yeah. Yeah. You know, he is playing it safe. You know, he doesn't need to. And always keep, always keep a few bullets in case, you know, in case you need it. Yeah. And also he's now on the verge of history as well in the sense that creating history, the first since Eddie Merckx, he's now nine points off the green Jersey. He now went back into the king of the Mountains jersey after today's performance. VDP, Matthew's out of the race, who was a big challenger for that green jersey.

So now he's looking like a strong favourite to take all those jerseys over the next few stages. Yeah, I think that's his goal. And I think the green jersey is going to come to him without even going for it. He's going to score the points in those two mountain stages. And then even if he has to try or if it's tight, there's the last stage to go for it. And especially with Van der Poel out, I mean, I'm not putting it past him that he could potentially win the last stage in Paris. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You wouldn't just go. Yeah, no, no, no, no, no. Um, okay, Bradley, um, before we talk about tomorrow's stage, uh, we'll do our daily Ventum trivia,

um, as every day yesterday's question was, which writer holds the record for the longest successful solo breakaways starting from Carcassonne? In 1947, there was four potential answers. Louis-Anne Baubet, Albert Bourlon, Jean Robic, or André Mayet. The correct answer was answer B, Albert Bourlon. He's the only guy of the four that I didn't know, but he won the longest breakaway in 1947 from Carcassonne. Stage 16 question, today's question is in 2016, race leader and eventual winner Chris Froome famously ran up a portion of the slopes of the Mont Ventoux. Why was he forced to run?

Why was Chris Froome forced to run? I still see those images. That was quite hectic, right? First he ran, then I think he got a spare bike from the neutral car. And do you actually know this is not part of the question. Do you know what happened? What the UCI commissaires decided after that? No, no.

Yeah, which was also a bit strange. They actually gave from the same time. Does remember that, yeah. As the... He technically lost the jersey that day to Simon Yates. Yes, yes, yes he did. Yeah, yeah. Simon Yates. Yes. Yeah. Yes, he did. Yeah. Yeah.

Simon Yates was on GreenEdge. GreenEdge. Yeah. Yeah. So send your best guess if you know the answer to VentumRacing.com and you can enter into our contest to win this year's grand prize. It is $5,000 of store credit towards any Ventum bike you want to purchase on the site. If you don't want to wait for the end of the tour, you can get 10% off the whole site during the remainder of the Tour de France using the code theMOV10 and even more 20% off any NS1 bike with the code NS120. So, VentumRacing.com slash The Move. Tomorrow's stage, Bradley,

what do you think? 160 kilometers from Boulogne to Valence. There's a lot going on tomorrow. I would anticipate, I mean, everyone's going to want to try and get in the breakaway, aren't they? You know, it's one of the last few stages where, without it being a summit finish, that many riders and many teams can grab a stage. There's a lot of pressure on a lot of teams now that haven't won stages. But at the same time... 15 teams have not won anything. There is that intermediate sprint after 47 kilometres tomorrow,

so you would imagine that Lidl Trek will go all in for that, for Jonathan Milán. They have to. They have no other choice. I mean, it could be a budge sprint tomorrow. I think the race is very tired at the moment. And I think, you know, there'll be, I can see staying together till that sprint because it's in a lot of people's interests. And depending what happens in that sprint with Jonathan, the race will then break

away will go on that climb afterwards the fourth category. And that could be 25, 30 riders. And that could be enough to whittle down and take five or six minutes. I think UAE will be happy for the let that go. Yeah, they will ride and I think we'll see a very similar, you know, a group of 20-25 riders, 5 or 6 minutes up the road, UAE will hold it at that. And then the stage win will come from that group in some form, whether riders attack again or not. And I think that's the most likely thing that will happen tomorrow.

Yeah, I mean, another scenario could be that obviously Little Trek wants the sprint, the intermediate sprint, but they also need actually to be sure points at the finish and they could be joined by Susalla-Quickstep because Timmerlier is still in this, okay, there are two riders down, right? And they have four stages already, but you know, once you're in this winning mood, they might, I mean, it's, for Timmerlier, it's either, it's tomorrow or For Timmer Lear, it's either tomorrow or the second last stage. He has won two stages already, right? So I mean, yeah, I think the breakaway scenario is probably more likely. We'll talk about that tomorrow as every day in our show.

Thank you, Bradley. Okay, thanks, man. See you Bradley. Okay, thanks man. See you tomorrow.