THEMOVE - Tour de France Stage 5 | The Sir Wiggo & Johan Show

Episode Date: July 9, 2025

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We've seen how much Jonas has been riding in the front of the peloton, if not on the front at times. And they do take their toll. There's not been one easy stage in this Tour de France yet. We're only five days in. And the next two days, Johan, are just as bad. I can't remember a first week of a Tour de France like this for some time. I'm the 2012 Tour de France winner Sir Bradley Wiggins. And I'm Johan Bruniel.

I directed my teams to nine Tour de France victories. Welcome to the Sir Wiggle and Johan show. Our daily show where we dive deep into the tactics behind every stage of the Tour de France. Okay, here we are again. The Sir Wiggle and Yoan Show presented by Keto and IQ like every day. Bradley, we're talking about stage five, the individual time trial 33 kilometers, first big appointment of the tour, I would say the race of the truth. What's your, if you have to pick one, one element, what's your takeaway of today? My takeaway from today is the sheer, the ride from Tadej Pogacar, you know, especially after the Dauphiné where we questioned

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Link is in the episode show notes. Okay, Brad, as we said in the time trial, I agree with you. Pogacar's performance was outstanding. Before we go into a little bit of details of the performances, I would like to talk a little bit about the equipment that was used. This is one of the showcases of cycling, right? The industry, all the big brands they provide and for sure,

Le Tour de France, their best equipment, some prototypes of new. Did you see something special today? We saw, for example, chainrings have increased tremendously. Remco was on a 64 chainring with 165 cranks. Today was on 160 cranks with a 62 and Jonas had a huge 160 cranks with a 62 and Jonas had a huge chainring, 68 160 cranks and then also Primoz was on a 68 chainring. Other than that, what did you see today? Anything that came to your attention in terms of equipment? Well, in terms of equipment, the one that surprised me the most was Kevin, the Frenchman, Kevin Vascouin, who finished fourth today. Yeah. And, you know, I think it's fair to say, you know, the disadvantage he's at on one of the smaller French teams with the resources they have for aerodynamics, wind chambers, wind

tunnel testing, you know, in terms of the financial backing that they have to really go to town on the aero stuff, I think he did one of the performances of the day. And I forget the last time we had two Frenchmen in the top 10 of a Tour de France time trial. So it was a great ride for him. And I think it's no surprise that he's being rumored to be moving on next year to the likes of Red Bull, potentially Ineos. So he's a big talent and fourth place today.

That was a great ride from him. But other than that, Remco, I think he was, Remco looked as class as ever today. For someone so small to produce the speed he does and probably one of the most, probably the best time trial position I think I've ever seen in terms of aerodynamics and the efficiency of which he races at. But yeah, it was a class act again, class performance from Remco. Tade, you know, Tade probably looks like he's got the worst position and the worst setup of all the main guys. Younus looked fantastic again with the big helmet, very, very low tuck position for someone of Younus's ability, but just wasn't going fast enough. So it's really interesting. You have guys out there that look the part, but just aren't going

as fast as you think. So it was a great day. And I think it's really, you know, there's so many different dynamics going on. You've got Pogacar, who's staked his claim now for another Tour de France win, barring injury, barring crashes. He seems to have the strongest team. He's proved the last few days. He's the strongest rider in terms of GC. Remco, you know, I thought Remco did a fantastic job in refocusing after, you know, disappointing few days, got caught behind a few crashes, lost three seconds on that running yesterday. And to get the stage win today, that's going to do his morale, you know, wonder wonders. And so I think it's give us some some good questions. Yeah, for sure. I agree with you on vocal and that's that's actually if you think about

it, you be on Arkea. And also, I mean, with all the respect for the brand, it's a historic brand, but you know, Bianchi in terms of time trial equipment is miles behind, certainly behind Cervelo, behind Specialized, behind all the big brands, right? And so we already knew he was on great form. He's now third in GC, by the way, which is incredible. I can tell you by the way, we can think about rumors and speculations. Kevin Voekelin is arriving for E-Naios next year.

The deal done already several months ago. So I think that's gonna be a big, big, big progression in his career. As you guys talked about on the move, you know, it's surprising to see that a team like Decathlon with now that huge budget, I think they're going to be the third or the fourth biggest budget that they miss out on arguably. For the moment, the best stage racer of France, right? That's, that's strange to see.

Um, but yeah, I mean, other, other than that, I think we saw everything in terms of equipment. We saw everything in a Dauphiné already. The only thing that I see that all these, I mean, you were experienced with it at the end of your career, the shorter cranks, everybody is now on 165, some even on 155 cranks for the time trial. So obviously that's, you know, initially when, when, when, when this movement started like two years ago, I had difficulty putting my head around it. But you know, if you really think about it, it makes, it makes sense, you know, especially because, you know, these guys go with a lot of cadence. For example,

the you, for example, when you did time trials, Bradley, I mean, we want to talk about a little bit after we talk about the stage about your experience, but you had a slower cadence, especially when you won the tour. These guys have 9500 RPM in the time trials. But yeah, other than that, I think, you know, Remco wins the time trial 54 kilometers per hour. I think he's about a minute faster than you predicted yesterday, I guess. You said 38 minutes, no? Yeah, I said 38 minutes, but I said about 53,

54 kilometers now, average speed. So yeah, that was pretty spot on there. But it was, Remco, I thought Remco did a great job. You know, I spoke about the time checks yesterday and how you can use those time checks. You know, Remco going down through that first time check a couple of seconds down on a Feeney and he didn't panic. You know, he maintained his pace. He was riding from A to B as fast as possible. And of course we saw how the wind affected the early starters compared to the wind change through the day to day. And we saw some of the speeds from Jorgensen, Taddei and Remco, particularly from time check

three to the finish. I mean, in excess of 57 kilometers an hour, which is incredible. Yeah. No, but if you look, I mean, Rem excess of 57 kilometers an hour, which is incredible. Yeah. Yeah. No, but if you look, I mean, Remco wins Pogacar, the performance of the day, I think, Afini third. And then in my opinion, disappointing, disappointing performances of Mateo Jorgensen, 11th place, 120 down, Primoz Roglic, 120 down and Jonas 121 down. I think personally that Visma and Jonas, they were thinking what you said yesterday that they were going to win the Tanta or at least that they would take yellow today. And you know, the contrary happened. So, you know,

if you look now, GC Pogacar is in the lead, Remco in second, 42 seconds down. So that's obviously the improvement of the day. VocaLine third, 59 seconds down, Jonas 113 down. If you think about the situation right now, it's not a disaster. But I think, because everything can happen, you know, we still have two weeks, a little bit over two weeks to go. But the mental blow today is I think is the biggest damage, don't you think? Yeah, I mean, I think yesterday and today is a tough one to get his head round.

I think more so today. Yeah. Where do they go from here as a team? You know, I think it's easy to say, you know, where does Eunice go from here, but I think he has to use his team or they have to regroup as a team. You've got two guys there. There's a possibility to play a two pronged attack with Matteo Jorgensen. And now, of course, Eunice, I still think Eunice will

be the better rider in the second half of this Tour de France on the longer climbs, the harder climbs Eunice will get better. Yeah. Um, there's still some question marks. So it was, you know, that would have took a lot out of Eunice the last few days, the high powers, the high, you know, numbers, they were pushing on those short climbs yesterday and, and, you know, the amount of effort he used to stay close to Tadej Bogacar we saw, we spoke about it on this show yesterday, you know, how

Eunice was after the finish line yesterday. That's done some damage. And for a rider like Younes, who's a threshold monster, that would have done some damage. And that pay, he paid for that today. For sure. Tadej can soak those efforts up as we've seen Tadej can do anything. If you look at them today, today after the finish, they were both dead. They gave everything. But as we said yesterday, you know, they recovered extremely fast. Jonas looked completely dead.

And then I saw a little clip of Grisha Nirmann, who was on the radio with Jonas straight after the finish. He said, hey, congrats. You know, it took a lot out of us. It was on the limit, he was saying to. But, you know, congrats. You know, it took a lot out of us. It was the on the limit. He was saying to, but you know, great job. So I think today, um, both Jorgensen and, uh, Jonas paid for the efforts of yesterday's not to be underestimated.

You know, it was extremely hard in the last 30 K and those strong, violent efforts, I mean, the muscle damage, uh, you don't recover from that, you know, overnight, no, no, and he's made those efforts every day mean the muscle damage, you don't recover from that overnight. No, and he's made those efforts every day since the start of this Tour de France. We've seen how much Jonas has been riding in the front of the peloton, if not on the front at times. And they do take their toll. There's not been one easy stage in this Tour de France yet. No, not yet. We're only five days in, and the next two days, Johan. The next two days, Johan, are just as bad. This has been, I can't remember a first week of a Tour de France like this for some time. Yeah. Okay. Well, speaking of taking a lot of energy out of

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European champion. There's something, however, I want to ask your opinion on Bradley. Today we were like in doubt, okay, who's going to be the best? Okay, we all thought and kind of knew that Remco would win the stage, right? And then it was okay, who's going to be the better of the two today or Jonas, or your Jonas Wengelgaard? I remember two years ago in that famous time trial that Jonas won in Salange, I did some checks like at the beginning, the first 500 meters. I think it always sets the tone how a rider leaves the ramp, even if it's a long time trial. And I remember back then, after 30 seconds, Jonas was already five seconds faster than today. And he kept that pace throughout the whole time crowd.

Today, I did the same check. And after 25 seconds, Jonas had lost already two seconds on Tadej. It might seem a detail, but I think it sets the tone straight away. You could see that Bogacar left with a lot of power. Do you think, I mean, I know you have to pace it for 33k, but do you think that the way they leave the ramp and the way they feel the power on the pedal straight away, does that have an effect on the overall result of the time? I think unknowingly that it does for certain riders. I was used to the track, so I would leave the start house and I would do the three second countdown riders. I was used to the track. So I would leave the start house

and I would do the three second countdown as if I was coming out of a start gate on the track for an individual pursuit. It definitely sets the tone for how you're going to suffer psychologically. Whether you continue that effort through, we're only talking about the first 25, 30 seconds, you're talking about going from A to B as fast as possible. That's your average speed. So you want to get your speed up as fast as possible, as quickly as possible, and then settle in. Once you get up to speed, you can maintain speed. It takes more effort to slowly, progressively press the power on to get up to that speed. And if you take longer to do that, it does more damage.

So the quicker you can get up to speed and then back off, once you're at speed, you'll hold speed and just feather the pedals. So I agree with you. I definitely think it sets a tone, it sets a tone psychologically more than anything, more than physiologically. I think psychologically definitely, you know,

and I think, you know, especially if you're seeing the contrast between Salah and today, I checked until that first, the first corner about half a minute into the race and you could see the difference. So I remember I said to my son that I was watching with my son and I checked two seconds faster after 30 seconds and said, okay, Bogacar has this over Jonas. Anyway, then another thing, I mean, I don't know if it's just an impression or, you know, we saw today Pogacar in the skin suit, the polka dot skin suit. But to me, it's the first, I mean, he was in his rainbow jersey. We are used to see him in his rainbow jersey the whole year. To me, I don't know if it's just my impression, but he looks extremely skinny. He looks extremely

tiny with that skin suit on. I've never seen him. So I think personally that Pogacar has never been as light as he is now. Yeah. No, it's a good, it's a good shout. I mean, it's very difficult to tell. I actually think I actually think, I also think he doesn't look like Tadej Bergaccio when he's on his time trial bike. If you have to look and guess which rider, but he almost looks taller. Yeah. And I think there might be something in the black shorts, which should combine, you know, obviously how he wears black shorts with his world champs jersey. Or does he wear black shorts with the world champs jersey? Or is he sometimes he changes. Sometimes he changes. Um, but certainly with that king of the mountain thing, it does make the, his, his outline look different. Um, but, but I

almost think he doesn't look as comfortable on his time trial bike for the performances he does on his time trial bike. He almost looks awkward on him. Exactly. Well, you bring it, you bring up at a good moment. I just wanted to go over, you know, I had, I've put these four pictures here together, uh, of, of, uh, Jonas and, um, today and then Remco. If we look at, if we look at the picture here, um, but we see clearly that, um, so Remco's position, I think there's nothing to, I mean, it's, as you said, the most perfect position that a time trialist can have. Uh, it's the most aero, you know,

they, it's not for nothing. They call him the aero bullet, right? Yeah. Yeah. Uh, Jonas's position is actually also extremely good. I think it looks really good. I personally think that, you know, we've talked a lot about those crazy looking helmets of this month. I think they're actually fantastic. It's a genius idea. And then if you look at today, on the fourth picture in his skin suit in his pocket out skin suit, he looks very arrow, but I agree that he looks the least arrow of the tree. Yeah, his helmet is almost something like came, you know, it's almost like something

from 10 years ago. His helmet looks like it's had the least amount of effort and technology and thought put into it. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if that's the case or not. Someone might tell you different, but. Yeah, I, you know, it is, it looks, I mean, compared to the big helmets that cover the shoulders nowadays,

and of course it makes sense if you think about it. I'm pretty sure that if they would have proposed that to you 10 years ago or 12 years ago, you would have said, no, I'm not wearing this. But it does make sense, right? It's strange to see that UAE and their sponsor helmets haven't gone that way yet. But anyways, you know, compare these positions, they're all extremely aero, but yeah, Remco is just to perfection. It's incredible. Did you see even, I mean, so much detail. Did you see, did you see even, I mean, it's so much detail. Did you see what they did to his visor? The, the, the visor.

So it, there's a cutaway. So when he's down, does it go over his forearms? Yeah. Yes, exactly. Exactly. So, uh, there's, I don't think there's anybody who, who has put so much time in the time proposition and they could know it says Remco and we know that he's an obsessed guy with that. And, but also to be able to, I mean, I think that this is what people need to understand, you know, in Secoe, Remco is extremely arrow to be able to get

into that position. People don't understand how much you have to work for this. You have to train hours and hours and hours. Right? Yeah. And, and, you know, it's, it's, it's what gives him his efficiency is the ability, the powers that he can produce for a small guy like that, but the position he can get himself into to still say, still stay competitive and not just be competitive, be the best in the world. It reminds me of a, is very similar to Chris Boardman. Chris Boardman was never a big powerhouse in terms of the numbers he could produce, but the numbers he could produce

and the way the efficiency he could find with his positioning on the bike meant he would win time trials and win pro logs. Um, Remco is very similar, you know, Remco for someone his size with the power he produces should not be able to time trial as well as he does. Yeah. But the attention to detail he gives to the time trial position, the bike and you know, the ability that he has for time trialing that coupled together with the position he gets himself into means he's a dominant force. Yeah, it's incredible. I mean, he is the best time prize in the world for a reason. I mean, I would like, I would need to look back.

When did she not win a time trial lately? It's been a while in the tour of France. Yeah. So he's unbeaten. He's unbeaten in the last 12 months, the last time trial, which was more of an uphill time trial also with the cold airs, right? Uh, or what you think what he has won. Yeah. You've seen what he has won in the last 12 months. He's won the Olympic title, the world title, the Belgium title, Romandie, Dauphiné, and then today the Tour. It's quite a palmar as just in the

last 12 months. Incredible. Bradley, I just wanted to make a little parenthesis and not talk about today's race, but having the privilege of having you on here and being in your day the best time trial in the world also, Olympic champion time trial, world champion time trial, our record holder. I would like, if you can, to explain a little bit to us, to me and to the listeners, what the process of the time trials were in your days. For example, in the Tour de France 2012, there were two longer individual time trials, I think to remember. Yeah.

39 kilometers and 53 kilometers. Yeah. So, I mean, yeah, considerable amount of 90 something kilometers of time trial. No team time trial, no? No team time trial. No team time trial, no? No team time trial. No team time trial. But so I imagine also when you prepared for that Tour de France and especially you knew that you were going to take time in the time trials. The way you prepared, I would imagine that before in the beginning of the season, you went to do the recon of the time trials already? So before Paris Nice that year, myself and Sean Yates, Sean was my right hand man, you know, Sean, don't forget, Sean was the last British winner of a Tour de France stage in

the time trial in 1988, still up to a few years ago, was the fastest individual time trial in the Tour de France. But Sean was great. Sean would dissect time trials and dissect the course and would have all that information before I saw it. So we were halfway there. So before Parinix that year, we went to look at the long time trial in La Charte. We rode it. And after the Dauphiné in 2012, we stayed around in the area and went to look at the other time trial in Besançon, I think it was. So we break on both but nothing can prepare you for what the course is going to be like on the day when it's barriered spectators, etc. etc. You know, when they take road furniture up for race lines and things. So you're kind of, you know, you're you still don't know.

So I would follow a rider early on in the day for parts of the course to see what it was like. They would also film it. So I would send the first once the first rider were done, they would send a video back from the car. So I would watch that in the bus up through anything half an hour to go. So I would have a full idea of where I was going to take plus then, you know, I would rely on Sean Yates, who would have every corner detailed out on the list. So I'd be riding on Sean would say 300 meters, Brad, hard left, full gas on the skis. So I would know not to come up off the skis So I'd be riding on, Sean would say 300 meters, Brad, hard left, full gas on the skis. So I would know not to come up off the skis. I would stay on and I would lie much like a co-pilot in rally driving.

Where do you think he learned that? I don't know. I don't know. Where was he before he was on team Sky? He was here. You were at Postal. Yeah, of course. And so there was an element of trust between me and Sean on that one, you know, and I would trust that he knew time trialing, he knew what information I wanted and how to

deliver it. Sean would never get too excited in cars. So Sean would never go, Brad, you're one minute up, you're going to win the race. He would never like that. Sean, it was just Brad, 59 seconds up on Tony Martin. That was it. Just pan. And he knew that that was like, and so, and then every now and again, he goes, you're killing it, Brad. You look, you're killing it. You know, just little bits of motivation like that. So Sean was great like that. On the day of the race, you know, so as I say, we would look, you know, have some video feedback, some video footage. I would have seen the course

in the morning. I would have the course in my mind from whenever we'd recomed it. And we would look, you know, have some video feedback, some video footage. I would have seen the course in the morning. I would have the course in my mind from whenever we'd recondit. And we would just go out there. And it was just, once I was out there, it was a lonely existence. And I would ride from A to B as fast as possible. And A to B, it wasn't, you know, time checks weren't going to affect how I rode. It was just a case of going out and correlating speed with power. If I'm going up a climb and it's one kilometer long and I would aim to sit at 500 watts, I wouldn't get out of the saddle. I would stay in my tuck position. If we were going downhill and I was doing 64 kilometers downhill and I wouldn't need

to sit on 500 watts, it would be three, you know, whatever the power was for the speed I was getting. And that was, and it was just a case of A, to be as fast as possible. And on what part of this course am I going to make the most gains? You're not going to make it on a straight downhill section compared to someone else. You can also do 65 kilometers now. You're going to make it on the rises and how you apply the pressure on the climbs and how you take it over the top.

And that's really where I went. You know, I mean, the last time trial was pretty much flat, much like today, but twice as long. And I just rode at, you know, correlated speed and power the whole time. And the time checks were just confirmation that I was getting faster and faster and get putting more and more distance in between me and the riders behind me. And it was a mental battle. The time trial like today is just a mental, there's nothing to break your concentration. There's no climbs. There's not a whole great deal of technical sections. So it's just a case of how can I sit on this red line and psychologically,

you know, um, make myself suffer more than the other riders. And that's one, someone like Ramco is great at and Tadej the same today. Eunice today, someone like Eunice today on a course like that, it's your worst nightmare in a time trial is getting negative feedback that you're going down and down and down and you're watching the race go away from you. And you can almost see the desperation on you and us coming into the finish.

They're the worst time trial for anyone. Yeah, no, it's horrible. It's horrible. And in terms of the equipment, Brad, like the wind tunnel testing and everything in the off season or at the beginning of the season, did you guys do, I just want to see if there was any, you know, any novelties already then. Yeah, I mean, I never spent my time worrying about that. I would rely on the people that were paid to do that. So I wouldn't go to the wind tunnel. They'd have a mannequin of

my body double in the wind tunnel and put bits on it. So Chris Borman headed up that project for us and Chris, as you know, fanatical about aerodynamics. Yeah, you know, he's got the t shirt, he's been there, done it. So I would, I would entrust those guys to do their job in their domain. And I would focus much on getting myself to the right fitness. And those pieces would be dripped into me at whatever time, whether it was the Tour de France, here's a new skin suit, Brad, here's a new helmet, Brad, this is, you know, this is going to be there. And I would rely on them. That was it. I would focus on the things I could control. The things I can control were how can I be in the fitness and execute a performance on a time trial of 55 kilometers or 39 kilometers to the best of my ability and not worry about

what equipment I was on. But I would entrust the people that were out there that I was gonna get the best equipment. And that's where every department did its job to the best. And that's why we had a winning culture and a winning team. Interesting, interesting. Now, I also wanted to touch a little bit on the difference between your time and you over the years of your career, and nowadays in terms of positioning. And I found this, I took together a few pictures.

If we put this picture up here, I found these four pictures. The first one is you on Kofidis, and then you go to Crédit Agricole, then you went to Garmin, then Tour de France in the yellow jersey, world champion, and then the Hour record. If you look at these pictures here, you can clearly see how you've changed from the old fashioned to something that is like the Hour record is very close to what

we see now. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I mean, that was over. So the hour record was 2015. You go back. So there's a 12 year period there, where those funds are taken. And you can clearly see, you know, the evolution of the position of my position, based on on the new ideas and the new way of thinking and what worked and what didn't work over the years. And, you know, by 2015, it's the closest example of what we're seeing today. And that was very much that Sky took up, you know, the hour record project. Sky went away with Chris Borman and the team in the aerodynamics and Pinarello. And that was when the computer CGI technology had come in, where you could 3D scan someone's body and really see where the drag

efficient, you know, drag factors were, et cetera. And we had the 3D printed handlebars, which they all see today, they've all got. So they're modeled to your exact elbow and arms and forearms. And I also finished Paris Roubaix in April, 1775 cranks I used to ride. And the plan was to do the hour record on 1775 cranks because all my time trialing was on 1775. And the new information that was coming through at that time from the wind tunnel and CGI testing and all that was that 170 cranks

are now gonna be the next big thing. It reduces your whole frontal area, position you can get, you know, you could get lower down, closer elbows together, all that sort of stuff, which is what resembles in that, in that our record picture. Yeah. It's funny how that's, you know, the evolution of that, where we are today talking about

one five, five cranks and one 60 cranks. You know, that was the new way of thinking, but you can see the difference in my positions over those photos there. Oh yeah. I mean, if you look at the first, the coffee, this looked like, yeah, I mean, you were, you were of course, a specialist, but didn't look fast at all. No, not at all.

The Agricole looked even worse. And then the Garmin, the Garmin picture looks already a lot better. We're getting better there. Yeah. That's 2009, I'm guessing. Yeah. Then in 2012 in the yellow jersey, I mean, great position, but you were also extremely strong. And then the

time trial position in the in the world champion jersey is very similar already. And then if you look at the hour record, I was there, by the way, I was there in 2015 in London to the witness that that hour records. Then just for fun, Bradley, I found this picture here. Don't know if you remember this picture. I do remember it very well. That is not actually not a bad picture for an 18 year old. That is not a bad position. Well, I mean, it's not a bad position for that era.

For that era as an 18 year old, I was a junior national 25 mile time trial championship, which I won. Did you? It's not a bad one. It's okay. Yeah. Yeah. year old, I was a junior national 25 mile time trial championship, which I won. It's not bad. It's okay. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah. Okay. Time for our Ventum trivia question. As every day, Ventum gives us questions. You can enter into the contest at the end of the Tour de France of all the correct answers. There will be a winner drawn who will win a $5,000 store credits towards any Ventum bike you want to purchase.

Yesterday's question, stage four, was the following. While not a famous summit in the tour, stage four featured the code Jacques Anquetil, a 2.6 kilometer category four climb named after French cyclist Jacques Anquetil. What two things did Anquetil accomplish to get this climb named in his honor? And the answer is Jacques Anquetil was the first rider to win the tour five times. He was the one before Eddie Merckx. So after Jacque Antill, Eddie Merckx won five times. But Jacque Antill was, I mean, I know that you know this very well as a cycling historian, the best time promised in the world. This guy did win the tour in the time process, by the way. So first, the tour, the tour five times and also the first to do the Giro tour double first round to win Giro tour in the same season.

Yeah. And you know what? Yeah, there was some talk today about making them quite one of the questions was Miguel Ingerén, would he have won five tours had the had today's time trial? I mean, you could you could you could pose that question for any error. I mean, because one of the largest, the largest distance, the biggest time gap in a time trial in a Tour de France was seven minutes between Coppi and Bartali in 1947. And the time trial distance was 137 kilometers. How far back do we want to go to ask this question? Exactly. Stage five question for the Ventum Trivia for today. So the stage five, the individual time trial of today would have been a very good discipline for time trial specialists, sir Bradley Wiggins. The question is, how many total grand

tour individual time trial stages did Bradley Wiggins win over the course of his career? I'm pretty sure you know the answer. Don't say it. So how many total grand tour individual time trials did Bradley win over the course of his entire career? So send your best guess, or if you know the answer, the answer to VentumRacing.com slash The Move. You will enter into the contest for the $5,000 store credits. If you don't want to wait until the end of the tour, Ventum is also offering during the whole course of this Tour de France 10% off on the whole site using the code the MOVE10 or 20% off if you want to buy the road model the NS1 with the code NS120. Tomorrow, Bradley, we have another interesting stage, another 201 kilometer stage, not easy.

3000 plus meters of elevation. So definitely not a stage for the sprinters, especially if we also see the profile of the last, uh, so similar to yesterday, I'm going to guess, right? Yeah, very similar to yesterday. And I hate to say it, but in my eyes, there could only be one winter tomorrow and it's 10 a again. And I hate to say it, but in my eyes, there could only be one winner tomorrow. And it's 10 a.m. again. Yeah, the question is, the question is, I mean, I think I know the answer.

The question is, do they really want to burn up their team another day? Now, by now, they can allow a breakaway. There are a lot of people. I don't think it will be them who decide. So I think the natural inertia of the peloton, you know, as we've seen, will naturally bring things back. I don't think UAE have to take that role tomorrow. Especially, yeah, I agree.

You know, it's still early. It's narrow. It's a lot of turns up and down. The speed of the peloton, the natural speed of the peloton is almost constantly 50 kilometers per hour. Especially, you know, every time they had to get ready for a new strategic point, a turn, another little climb. And so, yeah, I think so too.

I think so too. Especially with, you know, it's quite steep at the end. I think it's 700 meters, 10%. Yeah. And now they will probably see another opportunity to take a little bit of time on Jonas. Yeah. Qualification for sure. So yeah, let's see what happens tomorrow. We'll be back tomorrow for another show. Thank you, Bradley and speak soon. Thank you, Bradley, and speak soon. Thank you. See you. Bye.

Bye.