THEMOVE - Tour de France Stage 7 | The Sir Wiggo & Johan Show

Episode Date: July 11, 2025

Johan Bruyneel and Sir Bradley Wiggins peel back the curtain on the tactics, strategy, and pivotal moments that shaped Stage 7 of the 2025 Tour de France, offering sharp analysis and insider perspective you won’t hear anywhere else. LMNT: Get your free 8-count Sample Pack with any LMNT purchase at https://drinklmnt.com/themove Be sure to try the new LMNT Sparkling — a bold, 16-ounce can of sparkling electrolyte water. Join: No race? No problem. JOIN keeps you riding stronger, just for the love of it. Discover your path at https://join.cc/themove Download JOIN today and transform the way you train. Ketone-IQ: Take your shot: Get 30% off your subscription, plus a free gift with your second shipment at https://Ketone.com/themove Ventum: Enter Ventum Trivia of the Day for a chance to win the Grand Prize: $5,000 of store credit towards any Ventum bike. Don’t want to leave it to chance, 10% off sitewide using the code THEMOVE10 or 20% off any NS1 road bike build with code NS120  https://ventumracing.com/themove/

UAE was saying or hinting towards, okay, they absolutely wanted to avoid me losing the jersey. They wanted to keep me in the jersey. Then I saw an interview with one of the directors, Arthur van Dongen, who's been there all the tours. You know, really, really a clear vision. And he said, no, it never came up. We just ride our own race and we wanted to make the race hard, the same as yesterday. And then I'm thinking, okay, well, making the race hard one thing, but is that not playing in the favor of Bogdan Csákyk? Of course it is. Because, you know, the harder the race is, the better is it for Lade without him having

to spend his teammates. Absolutely. But also by trying to make it hard for the greatest cyclist in the world, you're making it hard for your own team. So and why on these stages? What have they got to gain? I'm the 2012 Tour de France winner Sir Bradley Wiggins. And I'm Johan Bruniel.

I directed my teams to nine Tour de France victories. Welcome to the Sir Wiggle and Johan show, our daily show where we dive deep into the tactics behind every stage of the Tour de France. Hi everybody, welcome back to our show, the Sir Bradley and Johan show, or should I say Sir Wiggle and Johan show? What do you prefer Bradley?

Sir Wiggle is fine. Sir Wiggle and Johan Show. What do you prefer, Bradley? Sir Wiggle is fine. Sir Wiggle. Talking about stage seven of today's stage, Mour de Bretagne, very famous climb. Bradley, I'd like to first know what's your take of the day? Well, I might take it today is I picked him yesterday, but of course, a 19th Tour de France stage win for Tadej Pogacar back in yellow. And we can chat about it later, but I think there's some a few things I took away from today with his victory. But first, Johan, I'd like to talk about one of our sponsors of this show.

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How much was the hour record? 54.5. 54.5. So yeah, and the average total speed of the stage was 48.1, you know, with that hard final in the end. And you know, we could see what we usually could expect, you know, a breakaway, five riders. Geraint Thomas, surprisingly, in the breakaway.

What did you think about that? Yeah, I mean, Geraint, you know, in the breakaway. What did you think about that? Yeah, I mean, Geraint, you know, he's his last tour de France. I thought, you know, based on the average speed of the first hour and a half, I mean, we know, having seen the last few days just to make the breakaway shows, you know, you have to get there on force. So those guys that were in there, you know, there was no easy breakaway to get into. And at a certain time as well, you know, based on the SD, there was a chance that a break in the Peloton unit, that a break could go to the finish potentially again today, based

on the fatigue that the riders have now up to this point and the way that we've raced this tour de France up to this point. But it wasn't to be, you know, Alpecin road, of course, and then UAE put Nils Pollet again there. And they didn't really let that gap go more than one minute 30 all day. And that was a tough stage. And we saw first time up the Mule de Bretagne, there must have been 30 riders left, which, I mean, we spoke about this yesterday, and you said, had this, had this been a stage

30 years ago, there'd be no gaps. It's incredible now that, you know, 25, 30 K to go, you've got 25, 30 riders left that have contended this great finish. It's amazing. It's amazing. But coming back on Geraint Thomas, I think it was very, very brave of him. Don't you think you should wait for stages that are more within his capabilities? I mean, obviously we don't know how he feels, right?

And sometimes it happens that you kind of get into a group by coincidence because you're just following the wheels. Today's stage for Geraint was not the ideal stage. And I felt kind of bad for me when there were four guys left, right? Because Auler was dropped already. There were four guys and then on that little kick was the third category climb or was it not the fourth category climb? He just couldn't hold the wheels. No, I mean, it was probably a thought process as well with the brake. We know Dave Brouse was on the race.

You know, they haven't had a great tour up to this point. There was probably a thought process of, you know, getting, making sure we had a rider in the brake with a view of it taking more time than it did and maybe going later on into the stage and getting over the mir to pretend first time and then potentially having bodies in the front when the race came up to them. And that might have been their thought process. It wasn't to me. But you don't know until you try.

And yeah, I mean, obviously, Geraint was dropped before the first time up the Muir, which probably wasn't the plan. I imagine they would have at least hoped to take a few minutes and then the race would have come to them and Geraint would have been in that 25-30 man group. But as I say, you can't plan for these things. You can't plan for the speed of the race and just how hard it was going to be. And the other thing is, part and parcel of this Tour de France is we think it's predictable at times, but there's been nothing predictable about this start of this first week at all. No, no, no. No, I think in Geraint's case, I think it's predictable at times, but there's been nothing predictable about this start this first week of the tour.

No, no, no. No, I think in Geraint's case, I think it's also probably a bit mentally. You're in that break, it's hard to stay upfront and then you get close and he already knew they were going to get caught. So and then he probably said, okay, why bother? Why should I try to stay here? It's more a case of pride, I guess, to not get dropped. But at this point, the rain doesn't have to prove anything to anybody. Also, is it direct energy?

Isn't this their home region? Probably. Yeah. Yeah. I've got a feeling direct energy. They are from Brittany. I might be wrong, but I know. I'm not sure. they're from Brittany. I might be wrong. I'm not sure.

I think it's more Normandy. Anyway, it was a nice try, but I think there are other stages that he probably should look at. I mean, yeah, I was, I was thinking, you know, if you see the difference in Llorente on such a champion, he's won the tour, you know, he's been on all the podiums of every single grant. He's been on every step of the podium of the Tour de France, he's been on the podium of other grant tours. And now you just really start to see the difference, right? Like these young guys, there's just, there's just that gap that you cannot not see it. Anyway, that was as predicted as you could be foreseen this scenario. Then we get towards

the circuit. As we said yesterday, extremely, extremely fast approach. As we said yesterday, extremely, extremely fast approach. And the first time of the Mürtel Britannia, we see Vismali Sebaik coming to the front. And I thought, I said, what are they, what are they? I mean, like they came so aggressively. Yeah, they've done it every day. My first thought was, you know, they're helping UEE. Now what did you think when you saw that? Well, I mean, they've done it every day and you know, there's two thoughts with this as well is if they're confident for Younes for the mountains, which they will be, because I said today, you know, Eunice, I actually thought Eunice had a good day

today. I was, I was, you know, surprised that he didn't try something different today and just test the legs, you know, when he, they, they waited for Tadej to open up the sprint. Now when Tadej opens up the sprint, Eunice stays with him and the gap doesn't get any smaller or any bigger unless it's going uphill. So I thought maybe Younes might've tried to get the jump on Tade in that sprint and just try and see. Because if you take Tade out of the picture of this Tour de France, Younes is by far and away stronger than anyone else, barring the time trial that he had the other day, which we seem to think there might have been some issue or Visma have released a statement to say they know what the issue was, but they won't say what it was. Um, so you, in a sense, you know, set a good day today, but Visma, yeah, I mean,

I'm not too sure what their tactics are. I mean, you'll know better than me as to, to what, what they're, they're doing at the moment, but regardless of anything, when they do ride on the front of the way they do with Camp and Arts, think when they do ride on the front of the way they do with Camp and arts, Matteo Jorgensen, Teach Pranu, you know, they, they, they, they, they take the speed up quite a lot, but they only do it for a short period. And then UAE end up taking it up anyway. And we saw Tim Wellens do what he did. Now, the thing that surprised me with Tim Wellens, when Tim Wellens rides

and UAE make a statement like that, and they ride that aggressively in the final of the stage. It's normally for one thing. It's to launch Tade off the front. Now, the thing that disrupted that and I think had, they had to have a rethink of that strategy was when Joel Maeda went down in that crash. And they also didn't know his condition at that point as to whether he'd made back on the bike or what, because you know, for a moment it looked quite bad and he was pretty cut up at the finish. Joel Maida would have took over from Tim Wellens at that point. So I think when Tim Wellens swung off 1.4, 1.5 K to go, Tadej didn't know what to do. And he actually played it quite calmly there

and waited for the Ecuadorian to come up and give some assistance. But you could see in Tadej, I mean, the rest of the race knew what they were anticipating, what they were going to do, and that Tadej was going to attack. But there was a stalemate and no one knew what to do when Tade, I mean, the rest of the race knew what they were anticipating, what they were going to do and that Tade was going to attack. But there was a, there was a stalemate and no one knew what to do when Tade didn't attack. So Remco ended up riding on the front. Remco almost didn't know what to do himself. And it, and it was all a little bit strange and unusual to see that. But Tade, I think that shows how Tade's tactics have changed over the years. Cause at one time Tade just's tactics have changed over the years. Cause at one time Tadej just rode smash and grab. That was it.

That's all he did. But he played it really well today. He waited and waited. He used his teammate up right to the last minute. But the thing that surprised me in that moment is no one took the initiative when Tadej did wait. Not that it would have made a difference. I don't think, you know, we know Tadej's got the legs, but you would, you have to ask the

questions to why Vizsma didn't plan to do that later. Once they knew. I agree. You know, I think, I think there's, there is a change in his tactics because he looked in control. Uh, the fact that they were able to adjust so quickly after Almeida, because it's clear normally with the, what we've seen from Almeida and the legs he has, he would have done like seven, 800 meters and it would have been four guys instead of 20 guys.

Right. And then, so obviously that's, that's, that's, uh, they had to rethink. Um, but today was, uh, you could see that he was in control. He was looking behind and his acceleration was incredible. Incredible. Yeah. Um, what I do not understand, however, is to come back on the and his acceleration was incredible. Incredible. What I do not understand however, is to come back on the Visma-Liseberg tactic.

We saw yesterday, Tadej was a bit annoyed and he said, I don't know what they're doing, I don't understand what they're doing. They were, UAE was saying or hinting towards, okay, they absolutely wanted to avoid me losing the jersey. They wanted to keep me in the jersey. Then I saw an interview with one of the directors, Arthur van Dongen, who's been there all the tours. You know, really, really a clear vision. And he said, no, it never came up. We just ride our own race and we wanted to make the race hard,

the same as yesterday. And then I'm thinking, okay, well, making the race hard one thing, but is that not playing in the favor of Bogdan? Of course it is. Because you know, the harder the race is, the better support are they without him having to spend his teammates. Absolutely. But also by trying to make it hard for the greatest cyclists in the world, you're making it hard for your own team. And why on these stages? What have they got to gain? I think that all this will be irrelevant come Monday.

I think Monday is going to be the first proper day of this Tour de France where we see what both teams have. And you'd imagine that if they're going to make it hard, that of this Tour de France where we see what both teams have. And you'd imagine that if they're going to make it hard, that's where they need to make it hard. And you know, there is a thought that Monday is where we really see the true Jonas. Because it's fair to say up to this point that none of these stages have suited Jonas. And he's still been there. Maybe not yet. Monday is really hard, but it's not a high mountain stage. It's a mountain stage. In the racebook they call it a medium mountain stage. One of the things that they may be thinking also is, okay, we need to make it hard day after day after day

to accumulate fatigue and make the teammates of Pogacar. But you know, it's not by doing the work for them that they're going to wear them out, right? Because so anyways, something that we both saw to come back on today's stage, we saw this little clip that it was the, I think, the director of Sudak Quickstep talking to Remco saying, hey, I spoke to Alpecin and they're going for the stage. And so does UAE. So that was clear from the start. That's also something I would never have said that back in the days.

I would never have revealed my intentions. They just say it, you know, I mean, obviously with a guy like Pogacar and a guy like Van der Poel, there are no surprises, you know, they just take it, you know, face first, they go into the war. But I think it comes back to what we said yesterday, Bradley, that there was yesterday an agreement already. And that, I mean, if you think about it realistically, if you're in Alpecin's shoes and Van der Poel, I mean, he must know this morning how he feels when he wakes up. What we saw today with Mathieu was the most normal scenario that we could think of. He did not recover. He went very deep, was completely empty, did not recover. And he knew this.

Normally when you wake up in the morning, you go down for breakfast and you walk from your room to the breakfast table, you already know. So something tells me that it was a deal that was made yesterday and that they kind of had to return the favor by helping today. That's the way it looked. Yeah. deal that was made yesterday and that they kind of had to return the favor by helping today. That's the way it looked. Yeah. Yeah. And then, you know, so we go up the first time, surprisingly, with that high pace of Visma, it was down to 20 riders, I guess. Then if you came back, It was down to 20 riders, I guess. Then if you came back, Mathieu was dropped already. Was Primoz still there the first time? Yeah, Primoz was, yeah. He was still there. Okay.

But then again, they get over and Van Aert goes after the first time we were in the Britannia, which makes me think, okay, that's their strategy. They want to make the race hard, but but not, not going to go anywhere at that point. You know, there was no way of escaping me anymore. Um, anyway, talking about Murdo Bretagna, I forgot to, I forgot to mention, uh, Bradley, um, Murdo Bretagna, um, it's been, it's been a few times, uh, a key point sometimes I remember when I raised, we went over it, but the finish was further down and

it was actually Abdujah Parov who won the stage in front of Cipollini. But I found a little interesting stat here, and if Gabriel can put up this picture of the profile. So in 1947, there was a time trial, individual time trial with the Muir de Britannia in the middle. And the time trial was 139 kilometers long individual time trial. This is the stage I spoke about the other day. This is the biggest winningest margin in a time trial.

It's copy, it's one by seven minutes that day. No, it must have been a different one because that stage was won by Belgian Raymond Impanis and second was Jean Robic who ended up winning the Tour de France. He won by five and a half minutes or something. There must have been a different stage with Coppi. There was these crazy long time trials back in the day. But yeah, you know, because they on some TV channels, they said that it was only in there since the seventies, but in 1947, they already went over it. Crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

One thing I was going to ask you, Johan, which we all found, we spoke about it a few days ago, didn't we, about the crashes now, when they seem to crash, they seem to crash hard, you know, and they do with it with it as a display. But we saw that crash in a straight line after the first time up the Müröbrum with Brutten, a group of no more than 28 riders. And we saw quite a crash. No one else to blame, no road furniture, nothing like that. And I mean, that was the crash that took Almeida out.

Yeah, we saw Lenny Martinez was quite beaten up. I think it was not Lenny Martinez. I think it was Vitrago. Oh, was it Vitrago? Vitrago, yeah. But yeah, in a situation like that, you've made it over the climb. No one's panicking about riding in the front because it's easy to move up. And the last thing you're expecting is a crash of that nature. And the last thing you're expecting is a crash of that nature. I think also Bradley, I mean, I don't know, I may be wrong, but I just think that nowadays, man, they go so fast every single stage that the guys who were hanging there in the back, except maybe Almeida because he's not great at positioning, but they were just hanging there.

We're all on the limit. Everybody's on the limit all the time. That's the way cycling has changed, it's full gas from the start, you never see any more stages where the first 100 kilometers they're chatting, they're joking, those days are over. So in the final when it really matters and when they're nervous and stressed, half of the peloton is dead already and one little deviation and on top of that with the disc brakes, it brakes a lot harder and fluster. You're out. Anyway, talking about that, so we have that crash and Big Mas was in there. He was not hurt, but he lost time. The biggest victim was Almeida in my opinion.

We'll see now. Uh, maybe as we speak, we'll have been getting reports. Uh, he was really banned up. Um, yeah. So I think for, for, for UAE that this changes a lot. Um, well, we saw Tadej's interview at the end. He was quite concerned, wasn't he? He was very worried.

Yeah. He was, you know, we, we know how important Almeda is going to be for the next two weeks in this race. Yeah, but hopefully he's still there. And this is the tour. You can lose one of your, I mean, first of all, the leader can crash out or you can lose one of your biggest, Almeida is the joker for UEFA. So this may change if he can go on. First of all, the question is, will he be able to recover? Because the tour is ruthless. A big crash like that, you have no time.

It means two flat stages now. So that's, but anyway, it takes longer than two days to recover from a big hit like this. Um, and on top of that, he's now also out of GC, which means that, okay, it's only for, for Pulacar now. That's the only strategy. It was always the case in my opinion, but they could have used Almeida in some circumstance to put pressure on Visma. And this is gone now. Now, now it's now, Now Almeida is at the same level as Simon Yates in GC. So yeah, that was definitely, yeah, that crash was amazing, man.

As you say, there were less than 30 riders and there were like 10 guys on the ground. If you see all those bikes hooked into each other, that was a really, really bad crash. Yeah. Yeah. Another thing, Oscar only, again, third. Yeah. This is incredible. This is a guy nobody talked about before the France. No. Was he second but third in the tour of Switzerland? He was third, third, third, Switzerland. Yeah. On a stage.

Yeah. Yeah. When a stage, um, you know, he's there. I mean, to be there, um, he's been there already a few times with the big guys when, you know, not by coming back, but actually being there all the time. Yeah. How will he do in the high mountains do you think? Well, I think, I mean, whatever happens in the high mountains, this tour has been extremely

successful for him. But, you know, he's in the top 10 now GC, after the week we've had, which is no mean feat to be where he is now. He's placed on a few stages, you know, fourth, fifth, um, it's been third today. So, you know, I, I wouldn't put it past him to maintain his top 10 overall position now, there's no reason why he can't. And also for that team as well, this is such an important, you know, Spencer mentioned it in the main show that they're facing a potential relegation from the world tour. So this

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Other than that, Bradley, what do you think now that Pulacar is again in the lead, it's back to Pulacar, Remco, Vakula is third, now Vakula and Jonas, what's the way forward now for UAE in the next two stages? We're going to see sprint stages in my opinion, but overall I think they're looking now towards stage 10, right? That's where they need to be ready. Well, you know, I think they have to now assume the role of, you know, the stability that they are in the lead now. I think they have to now assume the role of the stability that they are in the lead now. I think now the distance of the gaps that we have, I think, other than a larger group going away like in the old days, 15, 20 guys and letting the jersey go to someone who's already 15, 16 minutes down, I don't think that will happen anymore. I think those days have sort of gone.

So they now have to assume the role as the main leaders in this race. And they've got two weeks now, which is, you know, he's done it before he's led the race for more than two weeks before. And they've now got to start thinking about how they get through this, you know, to the rest day. And they have to take the role now of riding on the front, maybe not as hard as they have been. I think on that basis, I think, you know, it will become apparent that they might have written too hard in summer stages like today. I don't think they had to ride as hard as they did today for a stage. And, and this is where it will tell. And no one has anticipated, um, you know, the crash of Almeida today. We don't know how he's going to be. He won't know how he's going to be and if nothing's broken over the next few days. But they now have to start thinking, they have to start thinking sensibly now that they now have to defend this race for two weeks.

So they have to be efficient. They have to measure their effort at times. And on that basis, he's leading by one minute 15 from the main player in this race, Eunice. Um, Visma are in a great position. You know, they've got numbers. It's just they've not, you know, we, we seem to think they've not been using their numbers wisely up to this point, but Matteo Jorgensen they're in fifth place. Is he? I mean, this is a great position for them. This is, I was thinking the same, especially now that Almeidas out, Visma is now in, in a better position because especially on stage 10, a guy like Jorgensen can do a lot of damage. And we've seen, we've seen that in some occasions, I mean, I, yesterday it was actually Bogacar himself who went to get back. Jürgen

Zeman, he tried. So on stage 10, I think that's going to be a key player. Before we talk about tomorrow's stage, I want to do the Ventum daily trivia. As every day, Ventum has, we have a contest over the whole Tour de France stage 6 question. The question was a hilly stage, how many categorized climbs were featured in stage 6? The correct answer was 6 categorized climbs. Today's question for stage 7. The Mur de Bretagne is featured twice in the closing or was featured twice in the closing kilometers of stage 7. A modern monument known for decisive moments in early stages. How is it colloquially known? So how is the Mur de Bretagne colloquially known? We're going to get the answer tomorrow. So you can send your, if you know the answer or your best guess, send it to VentumRacing.com slash The Move and you will enter into this year's grand prize.

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as Jonathan Milan has become, you know, the, really the, the number one rider for the intermediate sprints. He won that intermediate sprint today by quite a few bike lengths. But I expect to now, you know, the, the teams of Jonathan Milan, Little Trek and, um, Binyam Gamay, um, Wanti Gubeo to now start to chase stage wins and, and push that green jersey even more. So I expect, you know, those to come to the four tomorrow, I think UAE will ride of course, as they do with the yellow jersey, but I think they will get some

assistance tomorrow from the sprinter teams. Yeah. I think, I think UAE will just put one rider as usual. I mean, poor, poor Nils Pollet. He's the one that how many, how many? He's done quite the job. Hasn't he? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. And then I'm curious to see tomorrow what Sudak Wickstep is going to do. Timmer Lear could win also. They do have to look after Remco and today, very importantly, they lost Matteo Catano. Yeah, he's a big one. He's a big one after Remco and today, very importantly, they lost Matteo Catania. Yeah, he's a big one for Remco. Yeah, so he was involved in a crash earlier on, did not recover.

So yeah, that's a bummer for them. But yeah, I think it's Milan, Girmay and Timmerle, tomorrow. So my money's on Jonathan Milan tomorrow. Yeah. So my money's on Jonathan Milan tomorrow. It's a straight, it's a straight, uh, more than one kilometer. Yeah. Don't, don't forget about my, if it's slightly uphill and it ended, I've checked the profile. I mean, if you look, if you can trust the profile, it's about 2%.

The sprints are a bit slower and he's won sprints like this already. One year he beat Mathieu van der Poel in the Giro in a sprint like that. Yeah, he did. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, I agree. Jonathan Milan, he's the pure sprinter. Merlier has won already and he tends to be better at the beginning. You know, like Merlier, probably after after eight stages he will start to feel it

already. Not that Milan doesn't feel it because that's hard for everybody. We'll be back tomorrow to talk about stage eight. Thank you, Bradley. Okay, thank you.