THEMOVE - UAE grade A on tactics today ft. Sir Bradley Wiggins | Tour De France 2024 Stage 13 | THEMOVE
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We had the stage in 2009.
Yeah, and you did wait for...
You didn't wait for Conor to go.
I didn't wait for Conor?
No, you didn't wait.
Of course I didn't wait for Conor.
He was telling me to go faster, faster.
I looked at George and I said...
I go, bro, we're not on the same team.
I don't care, go faster, faster.
No, no, George had five guys.
I was all alone.
No, maybe I had...
Sorry, I had Popovich with me.
Yeah.
I look at George and I said,
I know we're wearing different jerseys, motherfucker,
but you better start riding,
just like you used to. I did. I was, I know we're wearing different jerseys, motherfucker, but you better start riding just like you used to.
I was, I was.
And they did.
And I got like a minute.
I was like, oh, this shit's over.
I got this.
All right, everybody.
Welcome back to the Move podcast.
Talking about stage 13, which is, of course, brought to you each and every day this summer by Keto and IQ.
Alain, where we go?
Stage 13 from agent to pot.
From agent to pot.
I mean, you know, not his best work.
It wasn't that complicated.
We all got that one.
Agent to pot.
A lot of our French listeners had your back on your pronunciation correction the other day about the T ending.
They said you were correct.
Really?
A lot of French listeners.
Oh, merci.
You know, I love the country of France.
It's a true story.
I love it.
I do.
Everybody thinks.
Anyways, we won't get into that.
By the way, 75th time the Tour de France has gone to Pau.
We were talking about it.
I mean, this feels like it pops up a lot.
And as Sir Bradley pointed out, it is the gateway to the Pyrenees.
Makes sense.
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Right?
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It would be a fun experiment, right?
Because you don't get a lot of sun, clearly.
And you're low.
You're surely low in vitamin D, Sir Bradley.
We will. We will. So next,
assuming you didn't just have the shittiest time in Aspen, we'll get into that. We do have, folks,
we do have, and we are going to talk about the stage at some point, I promise you. We have an Aspen update from Sir Bradley. It involves a lot of legs. We'll get to that later. But if you come back, we will do some blood work before,
and we'll have you on the vitamin D, see if that changes.
Anyways, stage number two for Jasper Philipson.
What a day.
Well, I mean, by the way, it's stage 13.
I mean, perfect.
Like, it was all over the place, super fast, 49 kilometers an hour,
crosswinds, selections.
I feel like you guys are setting me up for something right now.
No, no.
I'm not feeling.
He wrote something on my notes.
I'm not feeling this vibe.
I unfortunately cannot share on the show, but it's hilarious.
But like you said, Lance, Stage 13, it was a war zone out there today.
Yeah.
First attack of the day, Victor Carponauts.
I mean, full gas attack i think the
average speed in the first hour was way over 50 kilometers an hour it was a mix in my opinion
between a mini tour of flanders and a mini lias best only edge there was four or five different
groups on the road um the fact that gastris philipson was still up there and won the sprint
hand handedly super impressive i mean the guy is a is a classic racer
he's not only a sprinter the guy can do everything uh so it was really impressive to watch him and
walt van aert battle it out and i know we're going to break it down more i was pulling for
walt van aert today and got second place again i mean he was right there christian laporte was
was uh was there they just uh so much of this is about timing. They just, I mean, they were, if you think about it, right,
they raced 100 miles.
They were 250 meters off.
If he's there 250 meters later, he might have won the stage.
He was coming.
Even 100 meters later, he might have won the stage
because he came back on Jasper.
Bini, I am as well, didn't we?
We were watching closely with him.
He looked like he was going to be in,
he had a good lead out today, three of his teammates. He just got a little bit boxed, didn't we? We were watching closely with him. He looked like he was going to be in. He had a good lead out today, three of his teammates.
He just got a little bit boxed, didn't he, in that final 300 meters.
And the sprint, it almost started quite late, didn't it,
for him to get out of his trouble.
No one really took it up.
But nonetheless, it was good to see Phillipson win again.
And I said yesterday that I feel like the competition
for the green jersey is finished.
It's not. It's not.
It's not.
I want to walk that back.
I mean, these are 100-point stages.
You know, if you figure Philipson gets another couple, I mean, what has to happen is you just have to always get points.
And by the way, this can work the other way, too.
But, you know, if Philipson getson gets 100 point day and and gourmet is
caught up in a crash well now we got a race yeah right now he's in the green jersey so it's not it
is not over yeah we still have you know a bunch of teams that haven't won stages so they're going
to be doing everything they can to win a stage and what's going to happen if they don't win a
stage they're going to they're going to sneak by uh bring them gourmet for second third force and
those gaps between philipson and yeah gourmet are going to start getting closer and closer like we saw today.
Well, the GC guys are not leaving a lot of scraps for breakaways, for other opportunists.
They're kind of taking everything.
Well, today—
With the win, that doesn't—I mean, it's just every team for themselves,
and you're trying to not lose time.
So you are going.
There's no shot for them to make it.
A couple of factors today, though, that actually made it harder and faster was that Adam Yates got in the breakaway, who was in top 10.
So all of a sudden, you have all the other teams that are like,
whoa, you're about to take my place in the GC.
So they start collaborating.
Ineos was up there.
Jaco Alula.
This is what happens in the last week of the Tour de France.
Guys like Bradley and Lance would rely on giving their team a break,
so to speak, on some of these days
because people start fighting for these lower positions
in the overall classification.
Yeah, you get three different races now, don't you?
You get the race for the podium,
and then you get the races for the top ten
because people try to salvage their tour
that haven't done anything up to this point.
And Enioss are one of them.
Right.
Wow.
Imagine that.
I always found it funny when you had some team pulling.
And I would always say, what are they pulling for?
And they're just getting knocked out of the top 10.
There are teams that come here and said, listen, we have two goals.
Win a stage and put a rider in the top 10.
They're a big goal.
It doesn't sound like much, but they'll put the whole team on the front
if they're starting to lose 10th place because that was one part of their...
Well, the worst one was about 10 years ago.
Do you remember when the team prize became a big competition?
Oh, yes.
If you'd have teams like Movistar, that would be their sole objective.
Even if they were like third and fourth on GC.
They'd start riding on the front on a random stage just to protect Team GC.
And you could never work that out, could you?
Yeah, you cannot.
And it's also not that easy to figure out
because it's like the best three on each stage,
not necessarily the overall.
So it's not like you can just let some guy go
because he's an hour behind.
He's still going to finish ahead of you on that stage
and it counts towards Team GC.
And a team like Mobistar,
that was almost a mandate at the start of the year.
We will win the team GC at the tour de France.
They've won it so many times.
You could just sort of,
uh,
you could just bet on it,
right.
It was going to happen.
And they were at some point,
they were going to be a factor in terms of putting guys on the front and
controlling the race.
We need it.
We need our production team.
Hopefully before the end of the show,
get us a list of teams that haven't won yet.
The tour de France. Okay. And then we can also start the end of the show, get us a list of teams that haven't won yet the Tour de France.
Okay.
And then we can also start predicting some of the strategies that are going to happen
based on the strengths of some of the riders on these teams that haven't won yet.
We'll change the whole dynamics of the race moving forward.
And the other big story today, which we discussed and predicted yesterday,
was Primoz Roglic does not take the start.
I'm so upset about that.
Yeah.
Nothing broken, but just pretty bashed up, wasn't it? And just hard to keep going. yesterday was primus rogelich does not take the start i'm so upset about that yeah nothing broken
but just pretty bashed up wasn't it and just and just hard to keep going right you're like
if you got the rest of the season keep in mind this is not the end of the season yeah there's
the season runs through late october you're just looking at it going am i gonna just just sit around
and be pack fill risk another crash when there's there's, I could race 50 more days, whether he does the Tour of Spain
or perhaps the Olympic Games.
Interestingly, he opted out of the Olympic Games.
Yeah, okay.
So, yeah, he's not doing that.
Maybe the Vuelta, who knows?
Also, Juana Iuso.
This one's interesting, right?
And we've talked a lot about uh perhaps the dynamic dynamic inside uae
whether that's uh warm and fuzzy we don't know but uh comes down with covid which we just learned
after the stage uh so he so while roglic is a dns did not start one i use so uh i you know a key
member of tati poker's team starting tomorrow.
DNFs, and now we find out he has COVID, which is not good.
But what makes it even worse is having been there,
just the close confines of cycling, team buses, rooms,
you start to worry like, oh.
And interesting stances
amongst amongst the teams it's sort of like when covid first hit the united states some people
were like doesn't what is it it's just a cold some people were like freaked out locked in their house
um more coffee that's positive team instantly send them home you're not racing you're done we
don't want you around i used to test positive he started the stage so there's a lot of difference
differences going on right now and more and more people are probably unfortunately
going to start getting it which hopefully doesn't play much of a factor in the overall i don't know
how much you've studied history george but uh kazakhstan has traditionally been very conservative
when it comes to things like this he's honest on it they're from kusikstan yeah they're very you know they take a lot of precaution
and everything geopolitical stuff uh global pandemics they err on the side of caution
every time well i think it's just gonna be a regular part of our dialogue oh they're out
with covid oh they're out with a stomach bug they're out with the flu it's it's just part
of the narrative now i thought it was into rimco's interview after the stage uh i had the mask on yeah they're all gonna have
this is starting to be guys um i mean why not why not take every precaution you got a week to go
in a terrible difficult week yeah we go we have yeah um but we don't even know if it is covered
do we i mean at the end of the day it's oh boy we're not gonna oh no yeah. But we don't even know if it is COVID, do we?
I mean, at the end of the day.
Oh, boy, we're not going to.
No.
No, but we don't even.
I mean, obviously, there are some cases going around,
and it is, you know.
And there's stomach stuff going around. But, you know, it's not a rare thing in the Tour de France
coming into the third week for riders to start getting ill
and things like that.
You know, it's changing of hotels,
changing of kitchens and food.
And as we say it's um these
guys have been racing flat out now for two weeks yeah so yeah i mean it's shocking to see that how
hard they're still racing like i said i watched the start and there was no question whether or
not there was going to be attack from the kilometer zero they're all lined up fighting
the position behind the car so the car is going faster and faster. You could see the tension.
And right away, a really strong group got away.
Classics style group with Adam Yates.
So that made the Peloton work even harder to keep them close.
This is a very, very aggressive stage. We saw Carapaz go with 20K to go.
A very strong attack on one of the climbs.
Those aren't panic-cooking attacks.
Those are attacks when everybody's on the limit
and the chances of making it are quite high
because there's not that many teammates left in the peloton.
Everybody's been racing full gas the whole day.
So a guy like Karapats can potentially get away.
They did ultimately chase him down, but, man, it looked so, so hard.
By the way, great tactic from UAE.
And that's what you're supposed to do.
If you've got guys that are floating around the top 10,
you put them in the break and you're done.
You're just about to say, we're not doing anything.
Fine, let Adam Yates win the Tour de France.
You want to let him go up the road?
What I will say is, to your point, George,
of having the guys stacked up behind the, you know, at kilometer zero,
it had the perfect makings of a fast stage, right?
You have crosswinds, you have a short stage,
and you have a bunch of teams
that haven't won a stage so their directors are in their ear like you you're going in the break
and you're going from kilometer zero yeah you have no reason no excuse not to you have to go
so you know that day is going to be fierce yeah and you were you actually mentioned something in
a pre-production meeting about crosswind days like this and they're guys that are that are
they wake up in the morning they're scared scared shitless, and they're like,
oh, let me get through this area.
There are guys like us, for that matter,
that we're kind of excited.
Like, most likely we're going to make that first group,
albeit not an easy way to do it.
But it's exciting when you get up there,
and it's very tactical.
You have to sort of sniff.
Now they know which way they're going
and which way the wind's going,
but back in our day, you kind of had to feel it out,
sniff it out,
watch the teams
who's kind of like
bunching up together.
In our day it was Robobank
like specialists
in the crosswind.
You saw those guys together
for some reason
all of a sudden
something was going to happen.
So it's just,
it's a great...
And there's not too many days
left like that, is there?
You start breaking it down.
You take the time trial out,
the rest day,
a couple of mountain stages.
There's fewer opportunities for guys to get away on a stage like today and win.
Although we've got a week left, there's not many stages.
This is where some people may have been a little confused.
You saw you had Yates up in the break and Pogacar jumps to the front.
But he saw a chance to drop somebody in a crosswind yeah yeah and just drilling it yeah and at one point we saw we saw
pogacha remco uh vindigo and and three or four lisma guys right lisa by breaking it up i mean
early on and and perfect for pogacha he makes that selection and he's allowed to just sit there
right you got four guys you know jonas you got three of your teammates with you i'm just going
to chill here in the back, which he did.
But it's an unbelievable feeling when that, and before I say this,
they also know where the coverage is.
What kills crosswind?
Trees.
You get these boulevards or these roads that have forests on either side.
You're not going to have crosswinds.
Now with Google Earth, I mean, these directors every director is is watching the route and they can see right where you're going to have this section
whether it's a kilometer or five kilometers where it's just fields so they're looking for those
opportunities what's that device they use too they chose the wind direction that they have in the
cars oh i didn't know about that back in our day we didn't have any of those devices what we would
do what i would do is like crosswind was happening.
If there was a reason why, if I wasn't in the first selection of five, ten guys,
you look up the road and you see a section of like four buildings
or something where you're about to get a little bit of coverage from that wind,
and that's when you go full gas, you're going to get that coverage.
Yeah, you're going to take a run at it.
So that's some of the techniques we used back in the day.
These days they have software. They know exactly where they're turning next. So I love it when it starts
to get lined out. Right. And the nature of this is you start to basically run out of road. If you
had a road that was a mile wide, nobody would get dropped because they can always find coverage.
But, you know, most of the roads are, you know, let's just call them 10 meters wide.
Well, when that road ends, then the last guy is going to start to lose coverage from the wheel in
front i've i just always loved it and i wasn't a big you know crosswind guru but i could make a
selection and you look back and you're like oh my god they're gone like it's such a nice feeling
it's a cool feeling and it's funny when you're not in in the line and you're just on the back of it
but in the wind and you kind of someone shouts in in and you get in and then the wind just stops all of a sudden
and that feeling of just safety like and you can hear guys going at the back shouting and it's
it's um yeah it's great but it doesn't happen too often the tour de france it does we did have that
day in 2007 do you remember that day when um vina croft and that split up the astana in the cross
winds into marseille in the Tour Robbie Hunter
won the stage
do you remember that
I remember
2000
we had the stage
of 2009
yeah
and you didn't wait
for
you didn't wait
for Contador
I didn't wait
for Contador
not only did he
didn't wait
he was telling me
to go faster
faster
I looked at George
I go bro
we're not on the same team
I don't care
go faster
faster
George had five guys I was all alone no maybe I had sorry I had Popovich with me I looked at George. I go, bro, we're not on the same team. I don't care. Go faster, faster. George had five guys.
I was all alone.
No, maybe I had, sorry, I had Popovich with me.
I look at George.
I said, I know we're wearing different jerseys, motherfucker.
You better start riding just like you used to.
I was, I was.
And they did.
And I got like a minute.
I was like, oh, this shit's over.
I got this.
Of course I didn't.
Until I didn't.
Oh, boy.
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George, speaking of sleep, how did you sleep last night?
What are you doing?
Like a baby.
I'm crossing out wiggles.
Am I getting set up?
What is going on?
This is my fucking show.
Okay, let me just time out everybody.
This is the Lance Armstrong show.
I know I call it the move, but are you setting me up for something?
Actually, I wish I had something.
I know you are.
I don't, I promise.
This is unbelievable.
I don't, I don't.
I will in the future, but today I'm just laughing at Bradley's notes on my notes.
You know what you're acting like?
You're acting like Dr. Phil, okay?
Because Oprah gave...
Let me show you Bradley's...
Hold on a second.
Oprah gave Dr. Phil a chance.
What?
Let me show you what Bradley wrote on my notes.
In the pencil up top.
What an idiot.
This is what I'm doing.
So, yes, I slept like a baby.
Dr. Phil, how'd you sleep last night?
I slept like a baby.
Well, it must be nice to have no stress.
Stress?
Are you kidding?
I work with you every day, and I've been living with you every day,
and we're going to show a funny video in the next couple days of what that's actually like.
But our friends at The Feed, which we're having dinner with tomorrow night.
Oh, no, tonight, by the way, at 630.
They sent me this great new drink called Pillar, and I drink it every night before bed.
And so you're saying it works?
Absolutely works.
Wait, so is that that pineapple coconut drink that you left sitting out on the counter,
like you leave every other drink sitting out?
I did take a sip of that.
Yes.
Yeah, it tastes great, and it's only a dollar a day.
I mean, I'm not as cheap as you, but a buck a night for better sleep?
That's pretty good.
That's pretty good.
I'm on with it.
I'm down with that.
You've been pretty cheap lately, bud.
Check it out.
They're from Australia, and our friends at The Feed discovered them.
Just go to thefeed.com and get 20% off Pillar.
Yeah, Australia.
We've got some business in Australia.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
We've got a great production team.
What I asked, like five minutes ago, they sent me the list of teams that have not won a stage.
I'm going to read them out, and I think we should break it down real quick. We've got Ineos, Lidl Trek, Decathlon, Bahrain, Victorious, Red Bull, Groupama, EF Education, Lotto, Israel, Premier Tech, Cofidis, Movistar, Uno X.
So quite a few teams.
I mean, Ineos, obviously, one of the largest budgets in the whole pro tour, world tour.
Haven't won a stage yet.
They're getting a little bit nervous.
They're fighting for top five in GC.
Can potentially make that.
Also, maybe even get podium.
Not sure with Rodriguez.
Lidl Track obviously lost Mads Pedersen early on.
But they're getting close.
I mean, they had...
All these teams are trying.
What's his name?
Almost won the stage.
Steuven.
Steuven.
And he looked great today.
Today, he looked great today he looked
really strong yeah decathlon they what a year they've had before up until the tour de france
i mean they've won state more races than they have in their whole history of their uh their team so
but they're at the tour de france the biggest race in the world they have they're feeling a
ton of pressure to win a stage in this last week bahrain. They lost one of their big guys yesterday.
Bradley, help me out.
Mr. Encyclopedia.
Bill Bowe.
Pale Bill Bowe dropped out two days ago.
Sick.
They came out with two stage wins last year, I believe.
They're feeling the pressure big time.
Red Bull lost Primoz yesterday.
Whole strategy has to change now.
They built their whole team around him.
So we're going to
see guys like jay hindley and all these guys trying to make these breakaways in the mountains
group armor with mark maddow your old team yeah i mean you know how important tour de france is to
them it's huge i mean they're these meetings are getting more and more intense they need to win a
stage and especially for team like uh group armor fdj you know when the other french teams are doing
well as well thank you stage yes It becomes another competition within the French teams.
Absolutely.
Drives them even crazier.
There's three French wins already.
And every day they're reading about their team in the press
saying they haven't won yet.
Pressure's building.
Low, low, low, low, low.
Yep.
EF Education started off with a bang, yellow jersey.
And they still got a great chance for a stage win.
I'm sure they're happy with the yellow,
but they really need a stage win as well.
Lotto Destiny.
Very close on a lot of stages with Arnold DeLee.
But they want to win.
All these teams are desperate for wins.
Israeli Premier Tech.
Ackerman's looking better and better.
He's got third place the last two days in a row.
Kofidis, what's happening with them?
Your old team as well.
Yeah, I mean, they're a funny one, aren't they?
They can only hope to win a stage, but I think it's been a while.
They won a stage in the last couple of years,
but before that, it had been 12 years or something, hadn't it?
Correct.
20 years.
Yeah.
Two teams left.
Movistar.
Movistar, the one that's been a really disappointing tour for them.
So far, hopefully Gaviria figures it out in one of these sprint stages,
but I haven't seen much else since then.
They were strong on the gravel day, though.
They were.
They got second.
They had two or three guys in the breakaway.
But, I mean,
the only thing people care about in our sport
is first place.
You gain first, you're last, right?
Yeah.
Uno X Mobility,
they got this Abrahanson
in the breakaway every day.
A lot of TV coverage.
I think they're doing great.
First Tour de France.
I think they are.
He's getting a lot of coverage even though he think they're doing great. First Tour de France. He's getting a lot of coverage,
even though he's not leading the King of the Mountains.
Correct.
He's impressing the whole world.
So there's a list of teams.
Quick breakdown on that.
I mean, just take two of those teams, right?
And we'll compare and contrast the team meetings, right?
If you're Tor Huchoff running Uno X
versus Mark Matteo running Groupama FDJ,
those are very different vibes, right? Tor is saying, hey, you guys keep trying. Yeah. Right. Those are very different vibes.
Right.
Taurus saying, hey, you guys keep trying.
Like, we're out there.
We're on TV.
We're a much the smallest team in this race.
We're doing a hell of a job.
Just keep trying.
Right.
And people are seeing that we're talking about it.
We're seeing it.
This Abrahamson kid.
I don't know what they feed this kid, but he's like the Energizer bunny.
He just keeps going and going.
That's a good look.
Yeah.
FDJ. Like, I mean, David Godu got spit out the back today on a flat road.
Not dropped in crosswind.
Didn't crash.
Just sat up.
Like, Matteo, knowing, just having watched him over the years,
he is apoplectic at these kids.
They got that good Lenny Martinez.
Yeah. Could win an good Lenny Martinez.
I actually think that someone who will come to the fore in the third week here
is Education First's Carapace.
We've seen him a little bit quite present.
I will lay you
anything you want on that.
That's not happening.
That is not happening.
It's just not.
He's looking good. I agree with Sir Bradley.
Here's the real talk.
This last week, of all these teams you just listed that have not won a stage,
you're not going to win one.
They're going to leave the tour without a stage win.
I don't know about that.
Sir Bradley, what do you think?
Look at the last week.
We'll hold him to that.
It's going to be GC.
You're holding him to that?
We'll hold him to that.
Yeah.
You're going to see more Pogacar, more Vingegaard. Like these stages, I listed them off the other day with the vert each and every day.
These are diabolical stages, which add up to a diabolical last week.
All those teams, they're leaving Nice, which is the last stage here, without a stage win.
This is too many hard days.
What a segue.
Let's go straight to the profile for tomorrow
and talk about that.
Woof.
Look at that.
Dozy.
For you people who know the history of the tour,
we touched on it the first week.
I think there's a handful of really iconic climbs
that everybody knows.
You have Alpe d'Huez, you have Mont Ventoux, and you have the Tourmalet,
which is the first climb tomorrow.
It's just nasty.
It's just long.
And it's the other side, actually, that is not typically raced over.
Yep.
And then, I mean, you have a very short stage, 152 kilometers, 4,000 meters of vert.
Short stage in distance-wise, not time-wise.
Right.
But it animates the stage.
I mean, look.
Which side of the tourmalet did you prefer?
The traditional side, yeah.
The La Monge side.
La Monge side, yeah.
Because that's a long old haul up the valley
towards the other side, isn't it?
Yeah.
What about you, Bradley?
I like the side they're going up.
Oh, yeah?
Yeah, it was a bit more.
It was about a two-hour climb, isn't it, from the valley?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
We went up there in 2012, that side.
Yeah.
In fact, I think I was in the breakaway in 2012 there,
and I busted my ass coming down the Munchie side.
Yeah.
It wasn't a great day.
Because coming down the side they go up,
it's quite sketchy descent.
Yeah.
There's a lot of drops off the sides and things.
You have to be careful.
Yeah.
Actually, you know why I crashed?
I was in the breakaway with Jens Voigt,
and he did some lame attack for mountain sprints,
and I'm like, what are you doing?
So I got pissed off, and I attacked him on a descent,
and I crashed.
Coming down La Mange.
That's what you get with hanging with Voigt.
And this is just the beginning of just a string of really terrible days.
If you did allow yourself to look to Sunday, I mean, this back-to-back, of course, have the rest day Monday.
These two days, like, folks, get the popcorn.
This is the start of the tour.
And this whole thing we've talked about the last few days with UAE and Pogacar and tactics and questionable
tactics. We're going to see if they
figured it out and if they're realistic
and smart about their tactics.
But they got it.
There'll be some action tomorrow.
This is the first day, I recall, you guys
giving UAE a grade A
on tactics with the Yates thing.
I think they've been listening to the show.
That's possible. Our friend Alan Piper listened think they've been listening to the show. It's possible.
Our friend Alan Piper listened to it when he was running the show.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's...
But in the past, we've been critical, and they didn't change.
Yeah, but that's the way you're supposed to do it.
Now they lost one of those.
They lost Ayuso.
That's another guy that, you know, had he stayed healthy,
had he stayed in the top four, five, six, seven, eight riders,
that's a guy you can throw in a break up the tourmalet, right?
He's gone.
You still throw Adam Yates up there.
You still throw some of the guys there that makes the other teams ride.
The other teams are, I mean, let's be honest.
I mean, Wiesma, Lisa Bike is going to have to ride, right?
By the way, they look great today.
Christian Laporte.
I mean, Laporte was great.
Jorgensen's great.
I think we could see that tomorrow from Wiesma.
Yes.
Yeah.
Just going for the win.
Do you think we see it that soon?
Coming off the back of the other day.
I know we're going to see it.
Do you think we see it that soon?
It's a great question.
Do we see it tomorrow?
I mean, if you were the DS of Wiesma,
tomorrow's a good day to start opening up this race.
You know, I think the harder the stages are in the mountains for Jonas,
it's his better chance.
The easier it is, and the more they play into Pogacar's hands,
the more chances he does have to attack in that.
But, well, we haven't got what's coming good now.
They've got some, they've probably got the firepower.
They want to get rid of as many bodies as possible.
And we'll get a couple of questions answered tomorrow,
whether or not Pogacar had
an issue with nutrition, proper
fueling, or if he actually went over the limit
too much and just couldn't recover. I think we'll
have a good indication. These are the climbs that will
suit Jonas better. And he's lighter
than ever because
he didn't want to come in all heavy like last year.
It's funny you say that because Pogacar said he'd
be suited better for these longer, higher
altitude climbs.
When did he say that? Whenogacar said he'd be suited better for these longer, higher altitude climbs. So, I mean, there's a lot of... When did he say that?
When they raced over those 4K climbs.
Okay.
Like last week.
Yeah, it really is.
We remarked, of course, Taddy Pogacar, he's leading the mountains classification in the polka dot jersey.
He's not wearing it because obviously he's wearing the yellow one.
But we both remarked, Sir Bradley, the podium ceremony.
He looks stressed.
Yeah.
It popped on the screen and we looked at each other and was like,
hmm, I don't know what it is.
And I'm not trying to be some genius face reader here,
but he just looked distracted.
Well, I think since the other day,
he's certainly got the harder days, hasn't he?
In terms of the press he has to do,
he's going up twice on the podium,
getting both jerseys every day.
You can imagine the line of questioning he's had
since the other day now of,
are you looking forward to the mountains?
It's all been the sort of narrative of the question
and has always been about, you know,
do you think that you are,
Jonas is going to be stronger than you in the mountains?
So the attention has normally been on, you know, do you think that you are, Jonas is going to be stronger than you in the mountains?
So the attention has normally been on him about how good he is.
And it's a different sort of line of questioning now.
And Jonas has had those easy days.
Jonas won the stage the other day.
He's been able to sit back.
And the question now is, will Jonas win the Tour de France?
And that's been something that Pogacar hasn't been used to this year.
Pogacar had a microphone in his face saying, did you lose the mental battle today?
Like, that's a brutal question. That's pretty direct.
Nobody.
Yeah.
I don't ever want that question.
And then it went to Jonas, same guy, you know, that's the French guy that does the post.
Yeah.
He said the same thing to Jonas.
Did you win the mental battle today?
Like, think of the difference on that.
Well, the answers are, we know the answers to those.
But it's a good point.
I mean, I think I'm with you on that.
I think they have to start to make the race hard
so that Pogacar is truly tested.
I don't even think here starting tomorrow,
I don't think you have to gain time on him,
but you certainly don't want the stages.
You don't want to make them easy for him.
Like, even if you know, okay, we're going to finish same time,
Bingagard guards coming through
unscathed he's got some reserves in the tank you you just want you want pogachar to be riding in
threshold and riding close to that so you just start to wear him down and who knows i mean
anybody can have a bad day and then you have to go of course but i agree with you start making it
hard yeah if i'm uae also i'm going to want like, try to hold my top guys like Adam Yates and Joao Almeida close to me
as far as long as possible and not do anything near what he did the other day,
which is get rid of them with, you know, three climbs to go.
Yeah.
I'll tell you what I always found helpful on days like this,
because it's a long way between the summit of the Tourmalet
and the start of the next climb.
It's a long way downhill.
Then you have those valley roads
where it's kind of
still going up and
down.
And you want the
likes of Wout van
Aert there to come
back up with bottles,
to come back up.
You know, you'll
stop for a wee.
You want those guys
there.
It's as important to
be assisted on the
descent and in that
bottom part of the
valley before each
climb than it is on
the climb.
So they want to get
bodies over the
climb that first
tourmalet.
I agree. He's done it before because the cars take ages to come up, don't they, with all the groups so um they'll they want to get bodies over the climb that first tourmalet i agree i agree he's
done it before because the cars take ages to come up then they have all the groups being dropped
yeah um i know we have some other things to talk about i just want just a quick update uh
this could almost uh be a real i mean george's has just launched his career as a short uh
documentarian but uh this could literally be a reality show, and it's Sir Bradley in Aspen.
I just want an update.
I mean, we had the rodeo update.
Apparently, you were out last night.
And I heard, because I don't go out with you guys.
I don't like people, so I don't go out in public.
But I know you guys are out and about.
We just went for dinner.
But there were some other run-ins with people.
Well, yeah, a fun run-in with somebody.
Everyone seems to know who George is.
And George will talk to them.
I have friends texting me pictures.
Like, I just ran into Sir Bradley Wiggins here in Aspen.
He's blowing up here.
But when I'm with George, people seem to come up to George as if they've known him his whole life.
And George will engage in conversation for five, ten minutes, hugs and everything like that.
And I will sit down and I'll say, George, who are they?
He goes, I have no idea.
But then also they also said to Bradley, holy shit, you actually exist?
You're real in the flesh?
Yeah.
And what about the cop?
The cop started yelling at George.
I got yelled at by the police yesterday.
It was kind of funny.
I was hoping Bradley would tell the story.
Well, George was going faster than 10 miles an hour,
which is the speed limit on the bike paths.
So he was being waved down by the cops.
He slowed down and he said, keep it below 10.
Have a good day, George.
He's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Keep it below 10.
Have a great ride, George.
I'm like, oh like oh shit thank you
kind of funny yeah i'd be in the big house uh i do want to hear about your son ben too yeah a
little bit of an update right before we get to a great video clip he's at the european track
championships in coppice in germany and he finished second in the points race yesterday
so his first year under 23 so that's he was junior european points race champion so i was okay i thought he was all right's, he was junior European points race champion. So I was,
okay.
I thought he was,
I thought he was defending his
year.
No,
he's moved up to you.
23 first year.
Ah,
so that's amazing.
That's amazing.
It's a good performance.
He's,
um,
progressing well.
Yep.
So I FaceTimed with him.
Yeah.
Yesterday.
Yesterday.
It was last night for him.
He's getting ready.
What a good kid.
Yeah,
that's cool.
Now.
So,
sir, Bradley, we have a listener named Joe Natoli, and he's a graphic artist, and he is incredible with Photoshop.
So he takes storylines from the show and makes all kinds of posters for us, and you're the victim this time in a good way.
Oh, that's cool.
Oh, wow. And if you that's cool. Oh, wow.
And if you're just listening, oh, wow.
Sir Bradley Wiggins, the good, the bad, and the Wiggo.
So clearly George is the good.
I get it, right, Joe?
George is the good.
I'm the bad.
What's new?
And now we have the Wiggo.
Rated.
That's him.
Rated R+. Only on WeDo.
That's great.
I mean, over the years, Joe's had some really, boy, he's had some whoppers.
I like that one.
I will say, though, we look pretty good in the back, George.
And before we get to Ventum Trivia, another thing.
This is sent to us by a listener, Patrick.
That mic's giving you a hell of a time.
It just got loose at a bad time.
Yeah, Patrick sent us a video.
This was like an Internet show or maybe a TV program that Sir Bradley did.
And at the very beginning of the show, he does an impersonation of our very own george hincapie
here we go which was well george gave me that oh george hincapie yeah with sawn off sleeves as well
george you win you really win remember that documentary yeah I do yeah he said I won but if you look
into the photo
no George
you really win
oh god
oh wow
that's funny
that's funny
I like it
did you say that
yeah you did
yeah he did
he wouldn't accept
that he'd won
no George
you really win
okay it's true
and that's great I'm very happy.
I've seen your photo.
Just buy his shit, okay?
Just whatever you do, buy his shit.
That's another one of Wiggles'
favorites. And we forgot
the moose. You saw a moose
here in Aspen.
Those are not...
At first, I thought it was a horse. Then I saw a moose in Aspen. Those scare me. At first I thought it was a horse.
Then I saw the long head, and I knew that they were dangerous
because I had been debating as to whether you can go up to bears
and feed them out the palm of your hand like a cat.
The answer is no.
Yeah, well, I've realized that now,
but there's not really many bears and moose in London.
So I kind of caught the grips of it.
But I turned quickly and took another street.
But there is a moose, a loose.
Smart move.
Yeah, in Aspen.
Watch out.
Yeah, they're back.
They're back in Aspen.
They spent many years here.
And then there was this whole, I think, a few decades where nobody really saw the moose.
And he's back.
I don't know how you say plural, like multiple mooses or multiple moose.
Anyways, you're seeing them more and more.
They're sort of starting to migrate back up valley here.
So that's kind of cool.
And, I mean, yeah, cool to see.
Definitely don't go near them, folks.
This public service announcement brought to you by Sir Bradley Wiggins.
He had another great idea for the bears you know
because they keep i don't know where you came up with this but they do well they get in people's
trash and they try to get in people's houses as happened to us last summer so um one of the things
they do in london to help the homeless is they have soup kitchens and kitchens for the homeless
and i thought if they had a bear kitchen they'd just go there no because someone said to me that
the bears are getting more intelligent.
They can open the bins.
That's where they lock them.
Right.
Yeah.
So, and they'll come back.
If they go in someone's house, they know when to come back.
So they'll know where the bear kitchen is and it will combat the problem.
Might as well open a bear nightclub while we're at it.
He would be there.
He'd need somewhere to go afterwards.
He would be there.
That's fine.
But maybe that's the job for the feed.
We can discuss that tonight.
Bear kitchen brought to you by the feed.
Bear kitchen.
All right, Ventum trivia,
so we can give away a brand new NS1 at the end of the tour.
Yesterday's question was, besides Cav,
what is another nickname often given to Mark Cavendish?
Lobom.
That is? Lobom. That is?
Lobom. Oh, that wasn't the answer. No, tell me about that one.
Yesterday. Because he's got his bums quite low
to the floor, so we call him Lobom.
The official one is
the Manx missile.
Lobom, I haven't heard that one.
That's what the public call him, not his teammates.
Today's question
is last November, germany's amazon prime
released a documentary on jan ulrich what was it called we'll take either the english or german
title all right uh send it to ventum trivia i'm sorry ventum racing.com slash the move
it was did you see the documentary with subtitles? I've seen clips of it.
I haven't actually watched the film.
I have the film.
And for those, I would forward it to everybody that's listening.
It might be hard.
They sent me.
So I sat down for the.
It was a four-part documentary on Amazon Prime in Germany.
I think it ultimately will be released here in the U.S. or English-speaking parts.
So I sat many times for interviews. Everybody knows how much I love the U.S. or English-speaking parts. So I sat many times for interviews.
Everybody knows how much I love the man.
I would do anything in the world for him.
So I sat for the interviews, and so they sent me all four parts with subtitles,
and it's amazing, right?
And so I will send it to you so you can watch it.
Please do.
But when and if it comes out in English, don't miss it.
It's very, very special.
And this is not the story that people know.
This man has led a very difficult, challenging life.
And, hey, here we are today.
He's perfectly healthy.
Just seeing him out there and on the right line. Like, it's special.
And the film is really well done.
It's raw, I will tell you, as it should be.
And I think it's been good for him.
I think people saw the totality of his life and everything he went through and can view his situation differently.
Yeah, I read the biography on him, and you just,
if you haven't walked in those shoes, you don't know.
No, no.
Here's an email from Matthew in Eagle, Colorado.
Is that close to it?
That's pretty close.
That's about an hour away.
Okay.
Lance, Bradley, George, the tour has brought out some great competition so far
and has been much fun to watch
are there any ride this is a tough question but a good one are there any riders in the peloton that
remind you of yourself at any point in your career if so who and explain why great question no
you're pretty unique all of you pretty unique these guys well again plus these guys are just so
dynamic and can do pretty much
everything and are young i feel like the sports changed a lot since our day yeah i mean george is
a lot like wild fun art it really is i mean minus the cycle cross stuff and but that's
the thing about wild fun art right can can win and contend for classics races uh but when you
need him to get over the big climbs in the tour, he's going to see you tomorrow. He's going to get over.
Maybe this is how the question should have been phrased.
Who would you pick that reminds
you of Lance or Sir Bradley
in the Peloton? You know the French guy from
Wismar? He reminds me of you.
Oh yeah, Christophe Laporte.
He won Classics winner, isn't he?
Yeah. No point.
He won the same Classic as you, isn't he?
Tends to be. You know know uh jurgensen reminds me of
you he hasn't quite yeah maybe gc powerhouse and tour de france yet but like his he's he can race
the classics he's he can he can win races like perry knees yeah um climb with the best in the
world and maybe who knows hopefully one day win the tour de france yeah reminds me of you all right all right next one oh and this is a this is a message because we talked about this
a couple years ago and i think we we kind of forgot and this is about vingago um and i didn't
clip their name who sent it i apologize oh it's a it's a youtube message anyway uh you guys are
talking about vingago at the end at the end and him being robotic, monotone, etc.
There's some things you need to understand about Danes.
First of all, no matter which dialect we speak, and there are wildly different dialects for such a small country,
when we speak a foreign language, 99% of us end up speaking in a monotone.
I have no idea why.
I don't do it myself, but it's probably something about the way we pronounce words.
So he's the 1%.
Yeah.
All right.
All right.
Also, why Danish is such a difficult, Danish is a very difficult language for foreigners
to learn.
As to his personality, he's a naturally quiet and shy guy.
On top of that, he's from J from jutland where we are more calm and lack
of a better word the than the people from copenhagen we don't use big words or big gesticulations and
we don't like braggarts or pushy people and jonas is from northwest jutland which is just about the
epitome of the very jutland attitude of life. We talked about this a couple of years ago.
Then that explained his, but he wouldn't say much.
And he's opened up a little bit this year.
He's got the mustache going.
I mean, I saw an interview with him talking about the mustache.
He's, you know, we talked about yesterday.
I don't know what you called it, the football mustache.
But he's having fun.
I mean, he was fun in the interview talking about it.
But I think it probably helps in this sport, right, strategically, tactically,
in terms of patience, being humble, being very measured.
What I heard you say with these folks from where, by the way,
I don't even know where this place is either.
But I kind of know where Denmark is, but with the Jutland or what not, like, but very measured,
right?
And patient.
And that oftentimes helps in pro bike racing, especially the Tour de France.
All right.
One more goofy question.
We know sleep and recovery is an essential component for a three-week race.
Have you ever shared a room with a teammate snoring so loud
it impacted your recovery?
That's from David in France.
All right, let's broaden that.
A disruptive roommate.
Yeah, yeah.
That ruined your recovery.
We've had a lot of roommates in the day.
I mean, not Mr. Lance over there, but most of us have.
You always have.
Well, I had a teammate, a French teammate.
I won't say who it was.
Oh, come on.
Say who it is.
No, it was the day before the time trial.
So he wasn't going to run.
I was in the French team.
He wasn't going to be doing anything.
Most French riders or anyone in any team, when it comes to the time trial day,
it's a day off for them.
They just have to get within the time.
He thought I was asleep, but he was pleasuring himself.
I knew. I knew.
I knew we were going here.
So hang on.
Hold on.
No, no, no, no.
Don't go anywhere.
Stay here.
Sorry.
Okay, so continue.
Oh, my goodness.
All right, this is really fucked up.
Did you, like, roll around and maybe act like you're waking up?
I was just waiting.
We had to wait till he finished.
That is fucking disgusting.
Yeah, it is disgusting, but yeah.
And that's a wrap.
But I came down to the next day and told everyone.
So when he came down, you did.
Oh, my God.
You know, on that note, we'll leave you with that.
But just know, starting tomorrow, this is going to get real spicy.
We've got two back-to-back days, then the rest day.
And then it just continues.
So as I said earlier, get your popcorn ready.
It's going to be fun.
It's going to be fun.
We'll see you all tomorrow.
Thanks for tuning in.