THEMOVE - What to expect from Pogacar in next two days | Tour De France 2024 Stage 18 | JB2

Episode Date: July 18, 2024

Johan breaks down today's stage and has more background on today's winner. We also talk about Pogacar wanting to win tomorrow's stage, and possibly winning the next two. Will Jonas attack for tour win and will Remco attack to jump to second overall perhaps?

I'm going to come back to Kampenarts because he is now in an elite club with Eddie Merckx. Yeah. This is an interesting statistic. This is a Belgian. This is a Belgian. I just saw this on a Belgian Twitter account of a journalist, Jonas Kritter, who does an amazing job in terms of statistics. And so he discovered that Kamperts and merckx are now the two only writers that have had the hour record and won stages in the tour and the giro

uh it's pretty good company for victor hello and welcome to jb square this is your deep dive show that goes on after the move where where i i jump on here i'm jb hager but more importantly i just have a conversation with johan bernil and uh get his expert take on everything for those of you who may be new to the show of course johan was a very very successful bike racer for many years including a Tour de France win and then a director who won 13 grand tours that still is an amazing statistic so we're gonna get into stage 18 as the tour starting to wind down it's hard to believe of this year's Tour de France we'll get in stage 18 before we do that just want to thank our title sponsor ketone IQ they sent a whole bunch of them down here and it's keeping us all

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it was funny for the first two weeks of the tour every there was a lot of uh complaining about breakaways not going right so now we've seen a couple of them and today was was pretty exciting so let's start and I jumped in early today I just had a feeling today would be very very interesting so I saw it from the beginning but uh it was a big group that got away I mean it's crazy it's almost like two Pelotons it's a very different kind of day yeah I mean you know as we said already many times, JB, you know, there's almost no opportunities left.

Before today, I think there was 11 teams, even 12 teams who hadn't won a stage, who hadn't had a jersey. So, you know, everybody wants to go on the break just for the mere sake to be in the break. You know, most of those guys were in that break and they knew they couldn't win the stage, but they, at least they don't get yelled at. Yeah. The, the, the, the bus speeches were,

were not pretty for those 11 teams this morning. Right. And it was like, you, you have to be in that break. Yeah. I mean, you can only do what you can do. Right. I mean, nobody is, nobody is performing bad because they want to you know it's just because they're not ready or things don't go your way or but anyway typically the last week is is always like this uh and today was the last potential breakaway stage um at least you, without riders from GC. It took about 30 to 40 kilometers before the breakaway went.

The big group again, 36 riders. Again, some really, really big names in there. Again, Richard Carapaz, Ben Healy was in there, Geraint Thomas, ex-Tour de France winner, has to go in breakaways. Lascano, Jay Hindley, winner of the giro piotkovsky ex-world champion victor campenaerts walt pools and and wald van art just to name a few there was many you know but you could see that this was going to be a very hot for hard fought stage win um and uh

and typically what happens is uh you know as soon as this breakaway went, then UAE found it was okay. I think the first rider in GC was about 30 minutes down or something. So it was fine for them. So they let it go. From then on, the breakaway also could take it relatively easy. But what you have typically is that if there's so many good riders, not everybody's going to wait until the last 5 or 10 kilometers

to try to get away from the breakaway because then you're not going to get away anymore, especially because the last climb was, I think, about 35 to 40 kilometers from the finish. So we could see that with about 60K to go already, the attacks in the breakaway started. First, it was Ben Healy who attacked. Of course. Yeah.

Well, I was surprised. I was surprised to see. I mean, I was not surprised by his attack, but I was surprised to see him getting dropped afterwards. I thought that he was in better shape. Obviously, he was trying to prepare the terrain for Carapaz, obviously. Healy's been on the attack this whole tour. It caught up with him. Don't you think?

Yeah, it has to. to you know you can try you can want to be in there he was in there but you know all of a sudden your legs say okay stop this is it this hurts too much um but so with 60k to go we saw the first uh the first attacks already and then finally um we see got kowski go with with 38 kilometers to go campanards and this uh other this french young writer i forgot his name now vershir mateo vershir for sure and so initially they they get a good gap then you could see that there was some fighting behind it and the big guys missed out you know like carapaz missed out bald bernard missed out um but uh but yeah i mean those three guys really then went for it and uh um especially with with kwiatkowski and and campanards i mean two

big engines this young french rider did an amazing job too and uh curiously i heard the interview um i don't know if it was i think it was the French writer who said that they actually very early on in the moment when they were with the three guys they made an agreement that they would go full gas and they would sprint for it

which is a really good deal because then you know that you're on the podium but also you know that... He's on the podium. Well, yeah, you're on the podium, but also you know that everybody's going to collaborate. Because if somebody's thinking already about attacking five, six, eight kilometers to go, they're going to save themselves a little bit, right? When those three were approaching, I was trying to put my Johan cap on. And I was watching them, you know know how they ride and the fatigue and the uh you know vershir was peddling squares as lance said when we were watching it and so i kind of ruled that out and then compenards he he's just he's he's kind of a

masher too yeah and he was i could just watch in his face and kwiatkowski looked smooth like butter and that's yeah and i thought oh he must feel really good he looks better but that may a feeling better and looking that may have cost him because i think he was a little overconfident and he was my favorite he was my favorite to win you know he's let's not forget this guy won he was world champion he won amstel gold race i think twice if i'm not mistaken um in sprints with two guys or three guys and let's not forget this guy won milan san remo in a three-man sprint against sagan and alaphilippe you know he's fast especially oh and you know what and this is a good chance to elaborate on his early days too because lance said this is a talent you discovered for development 2010 i signed them for radio shack

um i don't know if 2010 or 2011 i don't remember now which which year but anyway his first year he was with us uh I was looking for a young rider and um he was um in the juniors he had won the world championships so a big talent and then he kind of faded away a little bit in the 123 category he was riding for a Spanish team, like a development team. And for some reason, nobody wanted to give him a chance. I remember I contacted him. I went to see him at the Tour de l'Avenir that year. And we made him come to Spain to do a VO2 max test with our medical staff. And I remember I was not present, but I remember

that when he finished the test, the doctor called me and he said, Johan, sign this guy straight away. This is the second best test I've ever seen. And who was the first? It was Contador. Yeah. So, you know, pretty good, pretty good, pretty good pretty good reference you know pretty so uh yeah it was actually 2011 because uh because i think he signed a two-year deal but since we since in 2011 we did after 2011 we did the merge with leopard radio shack leopard he got out of his contract uh and he signed for quickstep so he was two years on quickstep or two or three years on quickstep before he moved to uh team sky where he remained um so so yeah i mean i if i'm not mistaken i think

i think he was on his last year on quickstep when he was world champion when he won the world championships i'm not sure now. But anyway. The reason I said being confident, yeah, the reason I said being confident may have hurt him, he just stayed in the front for a very long time. Campanar just got to sit on the back for the sprint. I don't think that's the big mistake.

I think he just, because he is fast, he just waited way too long. I mean, you can't let, with 200 meters to go, if the guy who comes from the back gets that jump, you're done. At this point in the race, after 18 stages, you don't have that punch anymore. The one who gets the bike length wins. You don't have that power anymore. The one who gets the bike length wins. You don't have that power anymore. You have to be Philipson or like a pure sprinter. But these guys have one speed and Kampenaerts played perfectly. But I think that Kwiatkowski made a mistake by waiting too long and the

speed was not super high. So obviously whenanar started uh straight away he had a bike length and and the proof is he was not even second he was third and it was it had it was kind of a false flat too slightly uphill i think you know at this point in the race jimmy everything feels false i know i just i just you know i, I've done that before where, you know, it's a little bit uphill and you just start to sprint and you're just like, your legs just go, what are you doing? I have to say, I was surprised. But, you know, after all, if you look at Kampenarts, you know,

I mean, Kampenarts was confident. I mean, you had Dirk de Mol on the move, so he explained it. But I saw an interview of Dirk after the finish, and he said, you know, that Kampenaerts, first of all, I saw an interview of Kampenaerts before the stage, and they asked people, who's your ideal breakaway companion for today without hesitation he said mikhail kwekowski he had him identified already and apparently he has followed him around the whole at the beginning of the stage just to be with him

then when kwekowski went was a strong attack van art actuallyert actually said that when Glockowski went, he was out of legs. So Kampenaerts was able to bridge up with the French rider, so he must have been really good. But to know that Kampenaerts had talked already in the December training camp with the team that his dream

was to win. He already won the Giro stage. I don't know if he ever done the Vuelta, but he said, I want to win a stage in the Tour. Not easy. And in December, he had identified stage 18. Putting all the factors together, because Campanards, from what I've learned,

is that he's a guy who calculates everything. He's known for that. Until three, four years ago, he was specializing in time trials. Let's not forget, he's been European champion time trial. He's been bronze medal in the world championships time trial. He had the world hour record for quite a bit uh he he took that record from bradley wiggins um it's only filipo ghana who who beat him now uh so you know and but the guy was based on numbers everything was numbers numbers numbers doing everything as aerodynamic as possible you know he he's the first guy who came with this you know like special position with you know the brake hood the the the brake levers tilted in and uh all these little things right so uh then he kind of switched to more of a of a road racer

did some great classics already uh but he sometimes he comes with these crazy things like you know i i remember i don't know if it was this year or last year in one of the classics he already said you know beforehand hey guys i i want to win this race you know i mean that's not really something you should say you know because you're gonna be you're gonna be marked that day and that specific race, and it was a Cobalt Classic, I think, and one of those semi-classics. He showed up with a huge

chainring, single chainring, like a 60 on a road race. And then he had this special system, what's it called, classified, which is like a virtual second chain ring. So that didn't work.

But he's always in for some special things. And that's how everything's calculated. He knows exactly. So he must have calculated that in the beginning, first of all, he would have to be on duty for Arnoldo Lee. And that the stages that were actually suited for breakaways, everybody was still going to be too fresh. So he had already decided stage 18, if I stay healthy, that's my stage.

And I also said, you know, and I said it, I commanded already with a few friends. I said, he's really on great level this year in the tour. He's an amazing shape. He already did some, some things that I've never seen him do before. So, um, you know, that was his plan today to win this stage. And this plan started in December last year. It does explain a lot of the emotion in his new baby that was just born.

And there's an interesting story about the birth of the baby too. Yeah. Well, I mean, he's one of those guys who just dedicates everything. He moved to Spain. Then he went on training camp. I think he was probably on Sierra Nevada. His girlfriend apparently gave up her job or her business. She was, you know, heavily pregnant.

She followed him to the south of Spain. They were up the mountain there. And then instead of returning to Belgium to have the baby, they had the baby in Granada at the bottom of the, at the bottom of the big mountain in a hospital over there. Um, so, you know, and the baby has been already a few times that I've seen pictures on his social media and about the it's, it's tiny. I mean, I think it's two months, not more if it's months old. So, um, a whole family project that's dedicated to him you know so uh that explained the emotions um we also seen in his post-race interview that he was kind of expressing a bit of frustration that

uh his team didn't really want to go into detail about renewing his contract and he was worried about that you know we we know already since a few months ago that next year he's going to visma lisa bike a team that actually he was on already uh in his early days uh when it was called lotto jumbo um then he went from lotto jumbo to uh lotto jumbo the dutch was the dutch lotto was not the same lotto as the belgian lotto Jimbo the Dutch was the Dutch lotto was not the same lotto as the Belgian lotto um and um so yeah um yeah he made a comment to the and you could feel the emotion and I you know I think probably every writer goes through this at some point unless they retire early where people think you're you're washed up you're done you don't have the value

cavendish is a great example uh and then being able to prove it like he did today i think that's where a lot of that motion emotion came from too you know a part of that jb you know i mean we've said already many times winning a stage in a tour for somebody who's not a big champion who wins classics or grand tours, it's the maximum. It's unbelievable what it represents. A stage win in the tour, it's the top. For example, if I look at my career, when I won, I won two stages in the tour. The first time I won, I said, wow, this is unbelievable. You're living a dream. This is what I've been dreaming about. This is what I thought was never going to be possible.

And so for most of the riders winning a stage in the tour, it's the maximum you can get. So especially for a rider like Camponot, I mean, he is already in his 30s and to have that stage and finally at that stage of your career, it means a lot. It means a lot. And it was also very nice to see. He's a special character, very special character, funny. If people

follow his social media, you will have a good laugh. He's very, very expressive. But he's also very liked in the peloton and you can see you know Remco went to congratulate him straight away I know he's good friends with you all Bonhart went to congratulate him so uh he's somebody who's very very very liked in the peloton yeah and that made me think well two One, I pointed out on the move, like the, that his teammates didn't go to the bus. They were on their bikes and stood out there with the spectators to watch him get his jersey, get the podium, which was super cool. And that makes

me think this, uh, Kampenart's going to Wiesma, It could be very good for morale on that team and older experienced. And he's a workhorse. I picture him and Wout van Aert working together. No, he's very valuable, very valuable because he, he is a rider who, who is absolutely ready to completely forget about his own ambitions to, to work for a leader. And he can ride very, very fast. I mean, listen, a guy who can ride during one hour at more than 55 kilometers per hour on a front row is somebody who can ride a bike very fast. Yeah.

For a long time. I laughed about this when I saw it on his Instagram description. It says defeated world, our record holder. I think that's hilarious. You could easily just put world record world, our record holder on there and that you, you were that record holder, but he put defeated because it fell to what does Ghana have it now? Or is it fallen since then?

I thought that was very funny. Okay. Let's go, let's go back a little bit. You also observed something about Visma that was indicative of their ambitions. Yeah. So Visma, I mean, yesterday, yesterday they had, they had three riders in the break. They had Laporte and Rob Van Aert and Tiesch Benot. And, you know, it came out very handy because, you know, the idea was probably, I mean, first of all, I think they were trying to win the stage with Benot and Maurice Van Aert.

But also, you know, in case there's a GC battle, you have guys up front who can then drop back and potentially help the leader if he needs help, which came in very handy yesterday. Benoit and Van Aert and Laporte saved Wingergaard a big time loss yesterday. Today, they did the same thing. They had Van Aert and Bart Lehmann did the same thing. They had Bonnard and Bart Lemon in the breakaway. Today is different, in my opinion, because they knew it was not going to be a GC battle. So Jonas was not going to be at any time in any problems. And normally, if it's the whole team for one

goal, you don't send people in breakaways. You just have your guys with the leader. So they didn't do that today. To me, that's a sign that they are trying to get other results. They want to win another stage. With Van Aert in the breakaway, it is very possible you can win the stage. With Van Aert in the breakaway, it is very possible you can win the stage. In the first place,

I think in Wismar, having a guy like Van Aert on your team, it's also a matter of managing egos. Van Aert is a champion. He wants a win. A happy Van Aert is better for the team.

Anyway, he was fine. I saw his interview after the race. He said, listen, I'm beating fair and square. Nothing to say, no excuses. But to me, it's an indication that I'm not going to say they've done it,

but they kind of have, in my opinion, given up on winning the Tour de France. They won't say it, but the fact that they had two guys in the break, to me, is a sign that they're not believing 100% anymore that they can still win this. Well, we did see a fatigued Jonas. And then what you said the other day,

Jonas had put out the best numbers possible and still got dropped and that's that had to be the moment where you go even if i'm at my best in my life pagachar's just a step higher right now yeah yeah yeah and they know that you know i mean listen it's it's been three times now that, uh, Pogacar has attacked and Jonas couldn't respond. Uh, and, you know, especially now with the two days ahead of us and then the time trial, um,

it's, even if Jonas is at his best, Pogacar is just so much better than last year. And, um, you know, if he doesn't do anything crazy, I can't see him losing this Tour de France.

We'll see. We'll see tomorrow. I mean, we'll talk about tomorrow's stage a bit later, but, you know, we'll see. We'll see. Personally, I think that if they're being realistic, they know that they can't win anymore. And that's why they said guys in the break to win the stage, not to have them up front in case they have to drop back. Yeah. And I think we would all like to see Wild Van Aert win a stage.

Maybe you can explain to everyone listening. When you're Wild Van Aert, you're marked. You can't quietly go in a breakaway. You can't bridge to a breakaway because they just won't let you. He's often, if he, if he is in a chase group, he's in the front because everyone watches him. That's a difficult position for him. It's difficult. And the same goes for Vanderpool, for example, you know,

I mean, if they're in breakaways that are usually when they're in breaks or not maybe can go in breaks that are have a little bit harder terrain but but they're kind of the same type of rider so usually there's going to be a lot of other riders who can actually get in that breakaway and then it's a matter of once they're there i mean you will never get 100 collaboration collaboration from these guys. You know, they know if they collaborate with you, they go 70, 80%. Because they know that, and it's only logic. I mean, you're not going to go 100% with a guy that you know is going to try to drop you. And if he wants to drop you, he will drop you. So obviously they're going to save themselves.

So it's an incredible difficult position to be in. Forgive me for jumping around. This is my fault, but I'm going to come back to Campanards because he is now in an elite club with Eddie Merckx. Yeah. This is an interesting statistic. This is a Belgian.

This is a bell. I just saw this on, on a, on a Belgian Twitter account of a journalist, Jonas Kritter, who does an amazing job in terms of statistics. And so he discovered that Kampenarts and Merckx are now the two only riders that have had the hour record and won stages in the Tour and the giro uh it's pretty good company for victor and also another thing another thing that he discovered is that eddie merckx also won a tour de france stage on july 18th like victor 50 years ago but anyway that's not an interesting stat because he won so many stages that it's it's highly likely that some 18th of July he will have one that's true you can

pick any July the first through the 21st yeah it's probably a safe bet that he's won on that day that's pretty funny and let's spend a little time talking about Mark Cavendish and because he's got to get through these next two days, which again, we'll go into more detail in a second. They're really tough. And it's from what I gathered, like his Astana teammates are just, they're just doing their own thing and trying to manage getting him through it. He wants to finish in Nice.

He could go home with his head up, but he wants to stick around. I think it's really cool of him. That's really cool. I mean, he doesn't have to get through these stages. He's here because he wants to. And so I think it honors him that his last Tour de France, he wants to finish it,

even knowing that it doesn't finish in Paris. There's no more sprints. It shows what kind of sportsman he is, right? And that he wants to honor the sport. I think also he sticks around because he wants to honor his team and out of respect for his teammates, who have done a lot for him during this tour. He just wants to stick around.

I hope he makes it. It's not going to be easy, you know, with tomorrow's stage and the day after. It's going to be a nightmare. They can't drop him if he doesn't make time cut. It's Mark Cavendish. Just look the other way. Well, the advantage, though, the advantage is, JB, that so late in the tour the groupetto like the big guys

the big group of guys who stick together uh is formed early in the stage and is bigger and bigger you know but you still have to be able to get over that first and second climb you know because it's not a walk in the park and if you look look at tomorrow's stage, for example, it's up, down, up, down. It's three big mountains over 144 kilometers. So there's no valleys where usually if you're in a big group, you get the advantage of the draft and the speed of the groupetto, but that's not going to be the case. So it's not going to be easy, but I think he'll make it.

I think he'll make it. He wants to make it a point of honor and I think he'll get there well yeah he's in his head he's got to be thinking I've just got to get through to the what are gonna be the hardest days of my life and it's all over you know what else I was thinking it's a bummer for him that he doesn't get to finish on the Champs-Élysées, a finish he knows quite well. Yeah. I have two things to bring up. I think it's going to be pretty interesting in a time trial.

He could ride a tricycle in the time trial and pass out candy. The people are going to go crazy when he does that. Yeah. Yes. But JB, I mean, listen, if he wants to finish the tour... You still have a time cut. He needs to make the time cut in the time trial. That's true. It's a hard time trial.

It's basically a mountain time trial. It's two clubs on the downhill. So, you know, you can't just... I mean, he's going to make the time cut. That's not a problem. But it's not like he's not going to be waving. He can do that in the last two, three. The very end. Yeah.

Cause I was just watching him finish today and, you know, coming in with this, the crowd was going crazy. I mean, all right, Johan, let's take a look at tomorrow and kind of combo looking at tomorrow and the next day. And I think you have I mean no one's surprised this is something that Pogacar wants to win yeah I think tomorrow

and even the day after it's two short stages so in theory both of those stages are stages for the GC guys it's up it's climbing and downhill. There's nothing else. So obviously the strongest guys are going to be in the front.

And the fact that UAE has the strongest team makes me think that Pogacar will want to win another stage. Tomorrow's stage is, in my opinion, the stage he's going to go for. It finishes in Isola 2000. They had the UAE had their pre-tour altitude training camp there. So they, I think they spent like three weeks there. They've done this stage three or four times in the stage of tomorrow. I know that Pogacar has done maximum effort tests on the Col de la Bonnette. So in my opinion, he's going to want to win this stage. These are higher altitude climbs too.

That's the difference. That's the difference with all the other stages, JB, is that the three climbs are above uh above 2 000 meters and then called the labonet even 2 800 meters which is extremely high so um Saturday stage is not high altitude uh different but uh tomorrow stage is is I think it's the most difficult stage of the whole tour uh even if it has less out I I mean, it doesn't have, there was one stage which had 5,000 altitude. I think this one has 4,400, but, uh, in,

in 144 kilometers. So it's, uh, it's crazy. Um, the tree climbs are extremely hard. Uh, called the vars is horse category called the Labonette is of course horse

category. Um, and then he's a lot 2000 is, uh, is horse category. Col de La Bonette is, of course, horse category. And then Isola 2000 is first category, but, you know, it's like 16 kilometers at 7%, so it's super, super hard. Yeah, I can't see anything else happening than GC battle. And, you know, logically, I think Bogacar wins this um i don't know what the others have to do um if they're even gonna try uh i've been thinking you know like would it be worth for you and us to try something on on col de la bonette which you know you know, I mean, usually, I mean, let's not forget last year,

the highest climb of the tour is where Pogacar lost the seven minutes. That was super high altitude. This is a different Pogacar, and it's also a different Yon. Is it worth the risk

to try something, to test Pogacar, and putting at risk that if you fail, you may lose second place because Remco's there smelling blood? You know, I don't know. How will Remco do with these high mountains? And it's steeper than we've seen, right? Well, it's not steeper. Normally, I think the Alps are longer and not as steep. The Pyrenees are steeper. So for me, the Alps should suit Remco better than the Pyrenees

for the type of rider he is. But we've seen he's up there. He's in the best three climbers of the tour. It's not going to change. So I don't think that he's going to have any problem to stay up there. I don't know. If he sees something on Col de la Bonette, he may give it a try on Isola 2000 to attack Jonas again,

take a little bit of time back, maybe tomorrow again, and then the last little bit in the time trial i mean he's less than two minutes behind so i think that's going to be the interesting uh and he's got a nice buffer behind him that's over yeah that that yeah but that that allows him to take take some risks yeah in the next day or two and try because the number four is joe almeida who will be the last guy with the last of the second last guy with bogacar so he will have to at some point start to pace um so that's not that's not a rival for uh ramco number four and five is lambda is his teammate and number six is carlos rodriguez so ramco has the podium locked in

okay i have a good question about remco that we'll get to at the end of this i think you'll like it uh i think that is that it for tomorrow you want to yeah well i just also wanted to point out you know i've done again uh looked at the strava profiles of these guys you know and uh i'll take it here i'll i took two screenshots so we have today's stage um so 180 kilometers that's 178 four hours 24 and he uh consumed 3968 calories almost 4000 calories which is you know it's a hard stage 3000 meters of elevation. So I think that's kind of normal. This shows you how good it is. I think people would be surprised.

In your mind, you would think, oh, they're burning so many calories. They could just eat whatever they want. I think people would be surprised when you get to this level your body is so efficient compared to the like if Joe average like me goes out and rides you know three four yes I'm burning a lot of calories right but their bodies are just completely efficient uh JB he uh forgot to burn 2 2493 calories today see you could burn that much in a day without working out for an average person i i did a 70 kilometer ride the other day and i i had i burned 2 000 calories did this with with 3000 meters of elevation. You know, it shows you how comfortable he is.

Of course, he's, you know, protected by his team. He moves well in the bunch. You know, today he didn't do any crazy efforts, but still 1500 calories difference with the number three. That's big. And it adds up, you know, it adds up. And that's also why, you know, he looks fresh. He looks, you know, adds up and that's also why you know he looks fresh he looks you know on

the podium uh looks fresh i mean it's kind of funny to see that you know especially remco and and pogacar there seem they seem to get along pretty well at the the podium behind the scenes there they're always sharing haribo the gummy bears gummy bears so that's it okay that's you reminded me i was thinking about that uh that relationship with today and remco because today's been in yellow for so long and remco's been in white for so long they are cooling down every day and really bonding yeah and it kind of i feel i feel like i have to be careful our danish listeners you guys take things very personally i'm a jonas fan okay but he's sort of left out right well he's not at the podium right he's never podium so right they're building this strong relationship

because and someone pointed out you know when we saw the the today attack do that short attack we were like why and they think oh maybe he was helping Remco because they've spent so much time talking I don't think so I don't think so that's not how long really well it's also you know what JB also have to say it's also because for the moment they are not direct rivals if they are direct rivals you know they're still going to share their gummy bears they're not going to share the gummy bears let me tell you who started the gummy bear thing that's it's i mean it's it's just i mean it's pure it's been around forever pure carbohydrates and. And, you know, the science says that you restore your glycogen in your muscles when you're depleted the most in the first 45 minutes after the effort. The fact that they are 30 minutes there at the podium, they start to restore straight away.

And gummy bears are great. Is that a paid sponsorship? Because Sagan used to do it too right yeah yeah no that's not no it's not paid i mean i don't even know if it's horrible but anyway uh the ones the ones of pogacar in a transparent plastic bag so uh and it says today and i saw one picture of ramco stealing the bag and saying hey and pointing at hey i have today's gummy bears uh see they don't they didn't they're missing out on like the kind of gummies we have in america at walmart we got gummy sharks we got gummy snakes gummy frogs not just they also have they also

all kinds of different different forms okay hey only a few days left to enter into ventum trivia and possibly win a brand new ns1 dia from ventum cool guy we've had him on the show several times is going to be here to draw that on sunday um the question from yesterday is what is igam bernal's nickname there's a few that we accept El Nino is one Lars message me a couple more the golden beetle I've never heard the Condor of Zappa K. That's his hometown. Yeah. And then I think you had another one. El Niño Prodigio.

The prodigy. The prodigy. Okay. Any of those answers we would have accepted yesterday. Today's question. It is widely known that Remco Evenepoel was a star soccer player before his cycling career. What other endurance event did he compete in in 2016? And bonus, if you also know the time, it's pretty impressive. I know.

Send it to ventumracing.com slash the move. Now, something I need to ask you i asked um lance and george to talk about this and they said he just stopped he said you got to talk to johan about this i was comparing to today's writers um i thought about it because we were talking about magnus court he's on social media connecting with his audience you know you can connect with friends and family he does an incredible entertaining vlog vlog every day with uh with his roommate and it's it's pretty cool too because they subtitle it in English yeah they do uh which is super handy right um they're active they're talking we're we're getting writers on the show

in the bus it's such a different you can talk what did campenarts do first thing facetime with his girlfriend and and their baby and i was i was thinking about you know especially the earlier days you know the late 90s like what was that like when i come from the late 80s so you know also what i see now for example almost all the riders have their wives and their children at the race and you can see them straight away after the finish yeah not just rest days all the time you know was there with his wife and his two kids and i come from a different era you know when when i started to be a professional my directors were ex-champions who, you know, my first director, for example,

had, you know, was also a world record holder, multiple world champion, had won the Vuelta, had finished third in the tour. And, you know, you listen to these guys and these guys had, of course, their own rules. For example, girlfriends or women, they could not even come close to the team. It was forbidden. Not until Paris, maybe, right? No, come close to the team. It was forbidden. Not until Paris, maybe,

right? No, no, no, no. Excluded. Yeah. So,

you know, I come from that era. And, and so, you know, I, then, then I stopped,

I stopped as a cyclist and, uh, became a team manager. And, and, but I do remember, uh, 99,

especially 99, which was the first years of the internet, right? Like mid-90s, late 90s. Laptops. And the first year, I prohibited laptops at the race. Because I thought they were... I mean, my conviction was that they were going to be too distracted. I mean, back in the day, it was completely different. Finding an internet

connection was a struggle. You had to find a plug and then put it in and hope that... It was still a modem. It was probably 2,400 baud modem at that time. Maybe you got frustrated because you didn't have a good internet line. And so I said, you know, no laptops because it just, you know, a phone focus and we had cell phones, but you know, no, no smartphones yet. Yeah. Was BlackBerry a thing then? Well, it was more Nokia. It wasn't quite yet. Yeah. So, yeah, I said, you know, no devices, you know.

First year, I mean, especially also because Lance bought into my program. So if Lance accepted it, then everybody else had to accept it, right? Yeah. You know, in 2000, it became more of a struggle. And I think by 2001, it was game over. They, you know, I think they smuggled in some laptops or one guy or two guys who had a laptop. I'm pretty sure George was one of them. And then, you know, then there was always a meeting in the room of the two guys who had a laptop you know it's a long time ago but yeah i i what did lance say did he did he uh he didn't say

anything he just said ask johan okay and you know and it's funny it's funny i was with you i you know i hosted a radio show and i always had you know co-host producers interns and i was like no phones in the studio yeah by 2001 they'd have just left with their phone said okay i'm leaving i'd rather have the phone than you imagine imagine you take that position now that's just just unbelievable. Yeah. People just feel naked without their phone. Oh, yeah. It's crazy.

The world has changed. Back then, it was new. I'm including myself. We were not addicted yet. We're all addicted now to our devices. Go ahead. Imagine you're one or two days without internet we're lost we'd be totally lost and the and also you know these writers are great promotion for the team and sponsors too you know like i said the you know

you said camp and arts is entertaining what magnus was doing uh reviewing out bad hotel rooms and then as you told us he he said if i get to so many uh new likes or viewers or followers he would dye his mustache blue which he did yeah i saw a funny interview of a danish media magnus court and uh because apparently uh jonas was trying to grow a mustache at the beginning of the race and uh apparently he has shaved it and you're in uh magnus court says well hey there you have it that's why he keeps losing time he needs to have a mustache otherwise he's going to keep losing time now yeah but you know it's just i'm thinking too of all the the value a sponsor gets year round yeah because you're you're supposed to always ride in your kit if you're

on a professional team right um you know there may be some jackets in the winter without logos but it's a lot of exposure year round so they get a lot lot of value. It's part of a reason. I mean, if you have a good, good cyclist, but on top of that, he's extremely popular and he's savvy with social media. It's, it's a huge bonus. Interesting. All right. I've got a really good question for you, but real quick, I did want to remind you it's, you know, hopefully you're sending in your Ventum trivia, but if, if you want to buy one, like maybe you're sending in your Ventum trivia, but if, if you want to buy

one, like maybe you're holding out until you win one, which is a good idea on Sunday, maybe win one on Sunday. If you don't, you'd like to buy one 20% off till the end of July. So that'll give you some time to, to build it off, build it out, do whatever you want. And it's use the code, the move 20 at checkout at Ventum racing.com. if you'd like to buy one uh here's one question for you and this is about rimco a while back johan mentioned on the move that one of the things that rimco needs to do was get his emotions under control he seems to have done this so my question is johan is a new team director rimco is his new rider what in his year-long plan to return with rimco and beat pogachar or jonas what would he do this is a really good question says what does rim go have

to do to get to that seven watts per kilo uh you know level that they're at this is from ian and tucson he's close to those values i mean you know first of all first of all it's not going to happen because jb i'm banned for life so i'm never going to be i'm fine with that it's not a problem uh well i mean it's it's uh i mean it's a good question um first of all yes he has matured i'm'm 100% agree with that. It's important, especially in a big stage race, you need to save all the energy emotionally. You can waste a lot of energy too. He seems to have matured.

He seems to be, he knows what he's doing. He has his efforts under control, which is great to see because sometimes we've seen in the past that he was trying to hang on and then you know first of all he's in the best shape we've seen and we've seen him in a ground tour i think this remco even a pool is in a lot better shape than the ramco even a pool that won the vuelta spagna now i have no doubt about that. If you would take this level of Remco Evenepoel five years ago,

the Tour of five years ago, this Remco Evenepoel wins the Tour de France. He's just unfortunate that Pogacar and Wingergaard are there and they're at such a high level. To beat them, that's not going to be easy. Although, it's not impossible. We're 18 days into the tour and he's only five minutes behind.

He's less than two minutes from second place. Let's not forget, Remco was also in that crash with Jonas in the Basque country. He broke his collarbone and his uh shoulder blades and had surgery so um you know he he had to sit out until the dauphine the dauphine he was not uh feeling 100 yet but the guy uh you know he has prepared for you know for the tour and um what he needs to do i mean uh probably needs i mean not that he he really lacked he hasn't lacked any team support in this in this tour de france at all never uh but you know one other climber of the level of michel landa would definitely be uh necessary i think necessary, I think. Yeah, longer time trials. Like more... Okay, the first time trial was decent.

I mean, he won that. And so, yeah, I mean... And then, hey, who knows what happens in the preparation of those two guys, you know? I mean, what's for sure is that if Pogacar and Jonas are 100% ready

for the start of the Tour, it's not going to be easy. But he's getting close. Whoever getting close can win if, you know, because the Tour de France is three weeks, a lot of things can happen.

And if you have a potential outlook on a podium for the tour de france i think it's worth going for it because who can be on the podium can win you know um but definitely keep doing what he's doing i mean he's uh you know a few little things for example uh you know that uh that attack and the same goes for bracha by the way you know that that that attack with 70 80k to go on the gravel stage that Remco did that was completely unnecessary that you know you're not going anywhere with that it's not going to happen you know even if you bring finger guard in trouble finger guard is going to make it back with the help of his team and

you're going to waste so much energy for nothing um but other than that he didn't make any mistakes i think in this tour de france and so uh i'm quite impressed with uh it being his his first tour de france and uh and being up there and being a dominant rider i mean he's a factor you know he's he's even i mean we're even talking right now that he could maybe i mean it's still unlikely to happen but it's possible that he could actually be in second place in nice i'd like to see it i want to see jonas attack and i want you know to try to win i want to see Remco attack to try to get second. I don't have a favorite. I promise you. Do you? I'm just trying to get you in trouble, Johan.

That's all. No, no, I'd prefer to have Remco in second. Yeah. I think it would be great for, and, you know, and especially Jonas won the tour twice already. We all know for Jonas being second or third doesn't make any difference. Uh, and until you can make a difference because,

you know, I mean, for him to be as close as possible to Pugacar could be, but he's strong enough mentally to, to know if, even if he doesn't win this tour, he's going to be ready for next year. So,

uh, not, uh, I'm not really, not really concerned about worried about that. Good question. Ian, if you have a question for Johan, please send it in the move at we do dot team. Sorry. We went a little longer than I expected here. Johan, I know you have two more shows to do. Thank you everyone for tuning in. Hope you enjoyed it. Hope you got something out of it. I do every time from Johan

and we'll be back tomorrow. Just a few more days. Okay, Jimmy. Thanks.