THEMOVE - Which Young GC Contender Will Step Up With Remco Evenepoel Out? | Tour de France 2025 Stage 14 | THEMOVE

Episode Date: July 19, 2025

Lance, George, Sir Bradley Wiggins, and Spencer Martin (aka “The Professor”) discuss Thymen Arensman's incredible ride to win Stage 14 of the Tour de France ahead of Tadej Pogačar and Jonas Vingegaard on Superbagnères after a tough day in the Pyrenees, which saw Remco Evenepoel leave the race and an elite group of young challengers slot into the top five as they jockey for the final podium spot. They also go through how the day shifted the battle for the Green Jersey, the extreme youth shift in the top ten, and preview tomorrow’s stage before taking a few listeners’ questions. The Feed: You heard it first on THEMOVE. A better morning for only $3.99 and our listeners save 20% today. No code needed, the discount is automatic. Go to https://thefeed.com Zwift: Zwift just made it easier than ever to get on the virtual roads. All Zwift-ready trainers come with the new Zwift Cog and Click installed, making them ready to ride from the box - no extras needed. Zwift-ready trainers start at just $299, meaning anyone can jump into world-class indoor training without breaking the bank. No excuses. Just ride! https://zwift.com BUBS Naturals: Check out the BUBS Collagen Club Welcome Kit with over $100 of FREE perks when you sign up for a subscription. This includes a 90 day supply of Vitamin C, coffee mug, mix wand, and more. And Use code......THEMOVE for 20% off your next purchase. You can stack those savings. Go to: https://www.bubsnaturals.com/discount/THEMOVE and use the code THEMOVE for 20% off. Ketone-IQ: Take your shot: Get 30% off your subscription, plus a free gift with your second shipment at https://Ketone.com/themove Ekoi: The entire EKOÏ website is currently on sale until the end of July, with discounts of up to 60%. It’s hard to find better deals! Special offer With the code THEMOVE15, you get $15 off any purchase of $150 made on the EKOI website until the end of July. https://ekoi.com Ventum: Enter Ventum Trivia of the Day for a chance to win the Grand Prize: $5,000 of store credit towards any Ventum bike. Don’t want to leave it to chance, 10% off sitewide using the code THEMOVE10 or 20% off any NS1 road bike build with code NS120  https://ventumracing.com/themove/

Did you guys know Tadej is if he wins, so this will, if he wins, it will be his fourth tour and he's younger than Lance when he won his first tour. So we could have a little bit left over the Pagacha rain. All right. Welcome back everybody. This is the Move Podcast presented to you each and every day by ketone IQ joined by Sir Bradley Wiggins Mr. George Hink-appy George I was at dinner with you last night and by the way before we get into this

You were wearing the hat and the hat i'm not gonna Let this die The hat needs to come here. Oh, all right Let's see when uh, when would be the best day to bring it in. I'm going to change my whole fit if I bring the hat. Bring it. Bring it. I can't just wear a t-shirt with the hat. Just give it to me and I will bring it.

OK. Yeah. The people want the hat. Talking about stage 14. Boys, tours are two weeks into this thing. I feel like I'm riding the Tour de France. You know, you boys, you're getting a little tired. I'm getting tired.

Yeah. Wear is on us. Stage 14. Alain, what did we do? Stage 14, from Pau to Luchon Superbanière. From Pau to Luchon Superbanière. OK, that's very French. That's so French. I actually saw Alain yesterday.

I was in town. My family made me go shopping. Yeah, we heard you had to do an emergency bathroom break. No, I had to go to the bathroom. There's one store that, hey, we don't have a bathroom. So I was like, oh my God, what do I do? I gotta go be around strangers. And I walked into this restaurant.

Alan was sitting there outside the restaurant. I said, thank God. Somebody I know. Give me a little cover. So was it worth blowing us off for the indie pass? Totally worth it. I wasn't kidding when I said I'm retired from training with you. The people want to see you riding. Yeah. Yeah. No, I agree with that. Maybe, maybe, maybe 2026.

Look, a bit of a salvage for T-Minios today. How do you say his first name? T-Min? T-Min? Ty-Min? Ty-Min? For those that T-H-Y-M-I-N. Ty-Min Audensman, Dutch rider, has previously won some races, won a stage in the Tour of Spain,

Tour of Poland, certainly nothing like this. Had a go about a week ago. won some races, won a stage in the Tour of Spain, Tour of Poland, certainly nothing like this. Had a go about a week ago. But for your Ineos, yeah, it's great to win a stage in the Tour de France. We were looking it up before the show, 55 million pound budget. 55 million pound budgets don't aim to win stages and grand tours. But nonetheless, but nonetheless. Haven't won a stage in two years before this.

Wow. Yeah. Wow. Speaking of that dinner last night, George, and we talked in the past about your hammer and the Vend Rouge and how that affects your sleep. I have been looking around for this dream shot. I cannot find it anywhere here in the studio. Yeah, I thought we had a bunch more.

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The darker purple is the more nitric oxide you are producing. These guys have got it all figured out. Yeah, the new Nitric Oxkazide Pro just launched in two pills once a day and it lasts a full 24 hours. I just took mine right before the show. Well, not that I have an issue with this, but for you older guys, it also increases blood flow everywhere.

Oh, it keeps getting better and better. That was a big hit with, like we said at the top of the show, it's been two weeks, right? We also get tired, conditions vary. Yeah, I'm actually feeling, I am feeling tired. But you know what's funny? People don't realize like when you're in the Tour de France and you guys back me up on this, don't you feel like your body just gets in this zone where it just gives you six hours a day

where you know you have to perform six hours a day and the rest of the day is like just precious time. The 18 hours left in the day is just about recovery. It goes by so quick, but arguably on just normal people like us, we feel more tired watching the race than these guys probably do. Well, I think it went too quick for Remco today, didn't it? Yes, that's true.

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is killing these guys, but this is arguably could be some of the most exciting racing in the Tour de France. Why? Because we have like 10 different races going on. We have races for the podium. We have races for the green jersey. We have team classification,

which we saw Beastman really going all out to get the top three guys in there to continue leading the team of classification. We have the Mountain Jersey battle. Also the white jersey. The white jersey battle. I love these inter-race battles. That is going to make the racing moving forward

a lot more dynamic and exciting, even though Pogatar is crushing it. There's a lot of other exciting stuff going on. He's totally in control as expected. I thought he rode, it seemed like great. A team that as we've said has been depleted. He's totally in control. We just have questions about Wiesma, right? And sometimes, look, you saw Yates up in the group, you saw Arne in the break, you saw Seto Kuss up there, they just didn't have it. This team is off. And that makes it very hard.

I don't care if Johan Bernal is your tactician. It just makes it hard when the team doesn't have the legs to... It's one thing to be in the break, but you have to be there and getting time and putting pressure on UAE and Pogachar Spencer I know you had you were just scratching your head watching some of these Just the way it played out. Well, we have a finite number of like mountain stages places to pressure Pogachar

We're coming out of they got dinged up pretty bad and then their response is we're gonna put a bunch of people in the breakaway and go for the stage win. Good luck, Jonas. Oh, by the way, you're isolated on the final climb. You can probably drop a gotcha, right? It just felt like they've given up and now they're going for stage wins. Maybe that's the right move, but I don't know. Rainy, Pyrenee, and mountain stages. Like don't you, maybe this isn't sporting, but like put the team on the front, pressure them on descents, like try to get them to crash, something like that? No.

I mean, I mentioned it the other day. We can't say that. OK. I like the, I feel like I like this strategy. It's going to give guys like Sep and Matteo Jorgensen chances to perhaps win a stage. They've done that strategy. They've tried to do, lead it, make it harder.

But essentially, they've done the work for Poguchar in this first 13 stages, 14 stages. I think they they got to mix it up now go for stage wins and look Jonas had a better day today obviously didn't do any damage to Pogachar but he looked pretty pretty good out there. Doing a row. Two days I thought he looked good he was the second best guy in the race yesterday and he was the second best guy in the race today I mean three days ago I did not think he was the second best guy in the race. Well we should say so Adam Yates is setting time in Arnsbeam by the way great ride like super impressive. Yeah it's very impressive. He's

funny he's 25 and it's like this is his comeback because he won a stage with the 2022 Volta on Sunweb was supposed to be this like big star GC star he finishes high up in the GC he goes to Ineos has kind of been lost in the wilderness, but he's only 25 years old. And now he's kind of re-emerging. But in that GC group behind, Adam Yates is on the front. They're not really pulling that much time back. And you can tell everyone's pinned behind. So that is kind of the fundamental problem. Like it's easy for Pogacar, everyone else is on the limit. Realistically, what can you do in that situation? Well, partly I think the reason why he was able to hold that gap is wet

downhills. And if you're on your own or with a small group, you have, you can really choose your lines and save a lot more energy in the, in the Peloton behind where they're fighting for position, not really knowing what's going to happen in front of them. There could be a crash at any moment. It's just a lot more stressful. So perhaps that's why he was able to keep that pace and not lose that much time on the final climb. But it's still a really incredible ride.

He pulled off today. Yeah. Yeah, and all the adrenaline and motivation that goes with being two minutes up the road, three minutes up the road. I mean, you can, and it is. It's nicer to ride a wet descent. And George, you'll remember those descents,

me screaming at you guys. Yeah, you'd hold yourself down on the radio. Why are you going so fast? I was like, why? I'll tell you why. Stop, stop. I'll tell you why. The answer is easy, because when you're pulling

on the front all day and suffering in the wind, you can really make people hurt behind you when you're pulling on these downhills. And you know they're 20, 30 back, you know that they're getting the whiplash effect, and you're like, okay, now it's time for you to suffer. Pull on these downhills. And you know they're 20, 30 back, and you know that they're getting the whip lash effect. And you're like, OK, now it's time for you to suffer. Pull the spray off some wheels. Yeah, the spray.

And unfortunately, the lines would yell at me all the time, make me slow down. So I wouldn't be able to reap the benefits of making other people suffer on the downhills as much as I wanted to. Yeah. Let's talk about Remco, because Bradley, it just came to be. You thought yesterday there was a chance

that he would drop out. And you saw it right away. Right when the tourmalet started, he got distanced. Hard, I mean, that's very early in the stage. Probably warm on that side, actually. I mean, we saw the conditions at the top and for the rest of the stage, but probably pretty hot leading up to that. Just packed it in. Yeah. Remco is such a champion, you know, and he's great when he's winning. He's not the best at

managing these situations when he's on the back foot. And I don't know if the weight of the nation, Belgium on his shoulders, he's the next Eddie Merckx in their eyes, double Olympic champion. And you could see the frustration with him when he was telling the cameras to get, get back and get out of the way. Do not follow me. Um, and it was just a matter of time. And I saw how disillusioned he was yesterday at the finish and to get caught in a time trial as well.

That's the big thing yesterday. Yeah. You said it. But I mean, let me ask you this Bradley, what, what does he have to gain when he's, when he's dropped on the first climb? I mean, a guy like that, double Olympic champion has won so many races, third place last year. Is he just going to keep riding just to get through the Tour de France? Well, no, exactly.

And that's what I said, where does he go from here? He's a winner. He doesn't get any extra thing extra for groveling around the next week of the Tour de France. There's the Vuelta to come. This is a guy who, don't forget, he had nearly four months off his bike in the winter with that crash. And ever since then, he's been chasing his tail.

He's won time trials, of course. He came back and won his first race early in the year where he beat Weldon Art. He won in Romandy, he won in the Dauphiné in time trial, won here in the time trial, but he just doesn't. Yeah, he just doesn't have that background from a winter's work. And there's a lot going on, right, in terms of his team, the team that he's currently on,

the speculation that I think is at this point probably pretty reliable that he is leaving that team, going to another team. So you're thinking, yeah, you start to bank some of the energy. Whether or not he is going to Red Bull, I think leads to an entirely different conversation amongst us, right, with the exceptional ride that Lipowitz is doing. This is going to shape up. I wouldn't want to be the general manager of that team. Believe me, Lipowitz is paying attention.

This kid's 25 years old. he's now on the podium. He's a German rider. Germany is a very important, as we all know, it's a very important country for the sport of cycling. He's into the white jersey. If you believe what you read on the internet, his contract is up. There's a lot going on there, right?

I wouldn't dismiss him right this kid has potential I mean look what look what they're facing now I mean we got Tadej Pogatrar that is the dominant force in cycling and who knows how much longer he can go probably several years I agree their only option I think is to stack as many cards as they can against him they're not gonna get a guy that can potentially beat him one-on-one I think they just got to get as many podium contenders as possible. If they got the money, why not? What else are they going to do with it? It's not a bad idea. Did you guys know Tade? If he wins, it will be his fourth tour and

he's younger than Lance when he won his first tour. So we could have a little bit left of the Pagache reign. But just onco, I agree with you, George. Like it's not a terrible idea. Throw a bunch of spaghetti at Pagache. See what happens. The thing I wonder about Remco is like, do you guys remember this Peter Attia interview with Pagache and he said in the off season,

he's two kilos above his Tour de France weight. That's not very much. Remco has to lose a lot of weight to climb well. And you kind of wonder, is this like up and down, does that make him more inconsistent than the other guys? Yeah, who knows? I mean, these days they've got the nutrition so dialed in that I wouldn't see that as a factor.

I know back in our day, we'd put on a lot more than two kilos in the off season. Cause he doesn't climb that well really outside. He was pretty good at the tour last year, and then he always gets dropped at the Dauphiné, and then he's like, oh, I'll be good at the tour. But is that sustainable in 2020, in this era? I go back to what I said two days ago.

There are just riders that they can win every other race on the calendar. There is something, there's some mojo about the Tour de France That they are just not suited for it. Just not I'm not but I'm talking about history And but you have to put it out there right rim could be one of those guys Hmm impressive he started. I mean, it would have been disappointing if he pulled out before. Yeah, he couldn't have done that.

You're right, though, Wiggle. With that cool down area yesterday, I mean, it was like he just got plopped on another plant. He didn't know where he was. No, no. And I think what you just said is that, I mean, him getting caught in a time trial is, that's in his wildest imagination.

That's just back in the face. Yeah. He never would have imagined that. And the start today was crazy fast. Like I turned it on at five and it was like they were approaching the tourmalet. I was like, what happened to this race? Like it was just all out. So that couldn't have helped him. Yeah. And talk about that first green Jersey sprint.

I mean, that was pretty hard fought after and Milan ended up winning that and Vanderpoel got second. Yeah Milan was off the front by himself. Yeah. And then they called him back and then the race was I mean you guys maybe were on to something about the time cut maybe it was too generous because they were full line like everyone was trying to be in the breakaway everyone could follow every move and then little check just let a little move with Garen Thomas go and picked it back. Yeah.

And on takes Max points. Speaking of the adjusted time cut yesterday, we weren't the only ones who were not in support of that. I read a headline on one of the cycling things that there were quite a few voices in the Peloton that said, wait a minute. And that's right. Like, this is the, just start with the rules.

These are the rules. These are the time cuts. And I's right. Like if you, this is the, just start with the rules. These are the rules. These are the time cuts. And I'm sorry. If you can't make a 33% time cut, then- Apparently Tim Miller would not have made that 33% time cut. Then go pack your bags and go home. That's the way. He probably also rode to the time cut.

So maybe he would have been faster. If these guys, they can all make it. If they get on the start line and they go as hard as they can. They can all make it. They're professional cyclists. I don't care if they're sprinters or they can't climb. They can all make it. Got to get out there and try.

Yeah. And now we're looking at a super interesting situation with Green. Maybe we'll talk about the other side of the break. But Vanderpoel got second in that sprint. Now he's like pressuring Milan. Yeah, I would be nervous about that situation. We had been thinking about Milan and Pogacar and you dropped the

Matthew Vanderpool factor here. And that's because he did, he rolled into second, Pete Garmai. Yeah. And we'll probably most likely see him in the breakaway tomorrow. Yeah. Being the way he's riding. Yeah. All right. We'll be back in two and thirty two. All right, and we are back. Spencer, you brought it up talking about age.

Itade's age and if he can win this year, I mean obviously Itade is still a very young rider. Six out of the top ten are 25 years or younger. I mean, that's just, but you had another stat on 30 year olds, there's like two 30 plus year olds in the top, I think 30. I mean, it's just- It's not good for us that are over 30. It's bad news, but the extinction of like the 30 plus year

old GC contenders is really shocking to me. Also, do we need to retool the white jersey? Because half of the top 10 is in the white jersey classification. Well, we were saying that a couple of years ago when Tade just kept having the white jersey thought. And as the sport was evolving younger and younger, we thought that wasn't a bad idea. It should be U23.

Yeah, definitely. Because Rimco has been pro for the better part of a decade, and he's still in contention for the white jersey Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's ridiculous. Well no day. So Well, he was until today Well, okay. He was also I mean not to go back to rimco, but he's perceived as a very young writer He's almost the same age as Pogacar. Yeah, like you actually Not that they should start to panic but it's like the opportunities are not endless.

Like you can't just, and he got hit by a car, so it's not his fault, but wasted years start to add up. Yeah. Speaking of young riders, we have to have our daily segment on our man, Oscar Onley. I mean, it was a week ago, we're like, wait a minute, who's this? And now he's up into fourth from the Scottish Highlands straight into fourth.

And apparently he had a mechanical. Yeah, I think that was why he got detached. Yeah, on glass nine. I mean, what? He's riding a hell of a race. Unbelievable. Yeah. You know, the only X factor I want to throw out there from a strategy standpoint, and

I'll have to, we'll have to look ahead a few days and we'll talk about tomorrow's stage towards the end of the show. But after tomorrow's stage, we have the rest day. I've always said, and I will always believe, that rest days are complicated. And the day after the rest day can be a really critical day. So my one X factor that I'm going to throw out there is tomorrow, rest day, boom, Tuesday, straight into month on two.

Like if I'm Visma, I'm thinking, I mean, there you're thinking, let's, hopefully somebody comes out of the rest, somebody being Poguchar comes out of the rest day. Just not ideal. Ventoux hardest climb of the race for 2025, you know? I mean, I wouldn't, I personally would hate to ride Mont Ventoux the day after a rest day. With crosswinds potentially. Crosswinds.

Leaning into it. You do have a flat run in so even if you wake up a little lookout though, yeah, but you could always get through it I think. Well get through it, but if you hit the bottom slopes of Ventoux, you're not feeling 100%. It's not a good place to be. But my point is, it's so much flat beforehand that if you're feeling kind of, you know, rusty from the rest day,

that by the time you get to Vonto, you should have opened up theoretically, I would say. Yeah. Just to touch on what something Jonas said at the end of the stage, he said today was, I think his quote was, the hardest mountain stage I've ever done. Wow.

And it looked like Pogacar did not stand up, did not open his mouth. No. And then Bradley, I think you were pretty impressed with Jonas in the final kilometer. Well, I mean, obviously he had said in his interviews expecting Tadej to attack because they set up like he was going to attack the team. Yeah. And when he realized the 4K to go that Tadej wasn't going to attack, he tried himself. Good attack, but then Tadej was pretty easy on the wheel.

We saw he didn't even get out of the saddle. But then in the last couple of hundred Tadej was pretty easy on the wheel. We saw he didn't even get out of the saddle. But then in the last couple of hundred meters, I couldn't work out initially why Jonas was riding against the barrier looking over his right shoulder as if they were coming in to win Milan-San Remo or something. And obviously it was the time bonuses. And they were that decisive that, you know, it warranted him doing that. And then Tadeo opens up the sprint and he loses four seconds anyway. Four seconds of real time and then two seconds in the time bonus. Exactly. So he would have been better just riding to the line and not pissing Tadeo off.

Yeah. I agree. I can't remember any time when both of y'all came to the finish of a mountaintop finish with, you know, not going for the wind, going for the secondary places and actually going full gas sprinting for that with one or two or three other guys. These guys do it every time. I don't get it.

When the lead's already four minutes anyway. We're talking. Yeah. I think it kind of summed up their overthinking tour so far. It's like, why are we? But then you're baiting him in to attack you. If he just rode hard, Pogagache probably just sits on his wheel. Yeah.

I agree. But let's just look in the bright side of this. He's attacking 4k to go. That's exposing himself. He's making the race. We got excited. We jumped up saying he's attacking. Obviously did not do any damage whatsoever,

but you know, the confidence I think is rising and you know, it's still a long way to go. It also sounds like we're mocking him daily for, for, you know, deploying the taxes he's done. Let's not forget, he's come up against someone who's going to be the greatest cyclist that ever lived by the time he retires. And fair play to him for having to go. Yeah. And he's in, in the last two days, he's looked, uh, he's looked much better. Right. So he has, and hold on to that.

Producing his best numbers ever. He said yesterday was his best performance ever. Yeah. That's what I, pretty incredible. I had someone reach out and be like, I think you're overestimating their power. I'm like, they're going, like, Pagatra went two minutes, 20 seconds faster than the last time he did that climb. So like, can you imagine his power the last time he did it?

And he's going two minutes, 20 seconds faster. It's a lot of power you gotta do. That's a lot. Yeah. It's a lot. You know, we get, as former cyclists, you get a lot of questions About hey, what's this like and what's that like and how'd you do this?

and don't you do that and what are the more common questions is riding in the big mountains and having the fans there and you know that question is aren't you afraid that they're they're not gonna get out of the way and My my response has always been like no no no they, no, they always get out of the way. Because there's a car, normally there's a car or a fleet of cars right behind us. So they don't want to get hit by the car. Well, that didn't happen today.

Here's the NEO's team car. Ooh, man. Oh no. One more time. Do we have a report on how that spectator is? Oh. man. Oh, no. One more time. Do we have a report on how that spectator is? Oh. Ouch. And this is, again.

We want to just put the rumor out there that it was Dave Browse for driving the car. And that was unconfirmed, but that's what I've heard. Paul Kimmage on the side of the road. These are like illegal. You know what, Spencer? Did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed today? I know, we got a new lance on this show. You are incredibly spicy today. I mean, there would have been a couple of digs that are not Spencer-esque.

There's only one person normally who's an asshole on the show and it's me. Now Bradley, making a run. But these two over here you're supposed to be like Sesame Street. We're two weeks in. Spencer is... you might want to go for a long hike today. I mean hang on a second. Hold on., the empath in me I feel I feel I feel I feel something from Spencer Wife is in Europe With a kid

It's been two weeks Hmm. Just do you I feel I feel it that desk is getting higher by the day I feel it I also it was raining and snow baths this morning. And I woke up and my car was blocked in. See, I mean, it's the small things. You know? Somebody didn't flush up at the team house. Liz?

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We're going on to tomorrow's. Let's say I have a look at tomorrow. Tomorrow's a breakaway special, baby. All you breakaway artists, tomorrow's your day. Although 59 kilometers in, green jersey, intermediate sprint. You know who's in the breakaway tomorrow? Van De Pol and Quinn Simmons in the breakaway tomorrow. I would not disagree with that.

Well then tomorrow. I guess the question is, is it a 10 man break or is it a 30 man break? Well, it's probably gonna go, if we assume that Little Trek will hold it together until that first sprint point, then the break's gonna gonna go on the climb so maybe a smaller breakaway but with very strong riders yeah which could affect Quinn making the breakaway if he's got to work that whole first 50 5k to keep that group together for the sprint but

then it's a 50-point finish like today was a 20-point finish so Pagache gets 17 points for a second Okay, so tomorrow like a Vanderbilt gets in that move and wins that stage or even get second. That's a lot of points He's not for the green jersey. Hmm Well the way he's going if he wants to go in the breakaway, it's gonna be hard to control that Yeah, especially over those climbs Yeah, again all these little inter races going on is making the tour really, really exciting.

Not that long either. It's at 160 something kilometers. Guys start to see that and they think, oh, this is a short stage. They call that a short stage. And folks at home that train all year to go do a 100 mile ride or 100 mile Fondo, these guys look at tomorrow's 100 mile stage, actually a little more than 100. And they think, we can manage nutrition. This isn't that hard.

The climb's early in the race. All right, let's just get ourselves to the rest day. Stay out of trouble. And some of these stages are going by so fast. Like today was a big mountain stage, sub five hours. Yeah. Yeah. I think they're averaging like 40K an hour. Yeah.

Which is nuts over those climbs. And I mean, it is, I think you're right, George. I'm actually more excited about this green jersey battle than I am the GC. And tomorrow is probably one of the most important days. Because if Milan has to get those sprint points and then if Van der Poel wins the stage, he's really turned it around on Pogacar and Milan. I'm assuming Pogacar won't be in the breakaway tomorrow. Is that safe to assume?

If he wants to be in the breakaway, he probably won't be in the breakaway. But I think he's going to be in the breakaway tomorrow. Is that safe to assume? Is that safe to assume? If he wants to be in the breakaway, he probably could be, but hopefully not. That'd be a little greedy perhaps.

It's still, and it's still this race for the final spot on the podium. This is gonna be exciting. Guys and their teams are gonna race hard for that. I don't foresee anything happening tomorrow in that. No, no, no, but just as this, to Spencer's point of getting excited, or maybe it was your point about

the green jersey competition, I think this fight for the podium could be interesting. And your favorite jersey, the KOM jersey, Lenny Martinez, awesome ride today. This guy, I the KOM jersey, Lenny Martinez. Lenny Martinez. Awesome ride today. This guy, I mean, who knows which Lenny Martinez shows up? Yeah.

Honestly, I mean, this dude is Jekyll or Hyde. And he's great today. Well, there's no doubt he can make those, you know, like a day like today, there's no panic hookings getting in that breakaway. I mean, Tourmalet is the hardest, one of the hardest climbs in the Pyrenees, so to get away there,

obviously you gotta be a great climber and he's all in for getting these early mountain points and for sure he's gonna keep doing that the rest of the race. If Lippowitz gets third, Anli's fourth, Valkland's fifth, who do you guys think is the next rider to win the tour that's not Taito Pagache? Do you think it's one of those guys or it's someone we're not even talking about right now? It's gonna be a while I think. I mean, it depends which Tadej shows up, isn't it?

Yeah. You know, if we're talking the Tadej of this year, I mean, you can't see anything. But you mean if Tadej's not... At some point he will not win a Tour de France. Right. And someone will beat him. I still think Jonas would be the next person to beat him

if that happens. And I think that person that you imagine, if it's years down the road, that's somebody that's not in this race. Someone like Del Toro. Del Toro. Yeah. I think he's so good right now that he will decide

when he doesn't win in Tour de France. He'll be like, I won, I see you in the douches. Very rare does that happen. Yeah. It does. Yeah. Rare. Well do you better get a move on? Because once he's over 30, as the stats show, he'll get kicked out. Yeah. Yeah, it is kind of interesting to think about. Short careers now. Yeah. Shorter careers. The Ventum trivia of the

day. Well, yesterday when I asked the question, you were looking at me like I had three heads. You had to have known the answer. I did know the answer, but I was trying to play it for the benefit. You played it up. You played me. Yeah. I was like, wow, I'm stumped. And you're sitting. Yesterday's question, the high altitude landing strip and finishing location of yesterday's uphill time trial holds a special significance to somebody at this desk.

Boom. Sir Bradley Wiggins. He clenched yellow here on his way to winning the 2012 Tour de France. With the last summit finish of that tour. Yeah. Today's question, the Queen of the Pyrenees needs no introduction. The Col de Tourmalet is the most climbed mountain pass in the history of the Tour de France. In what year was it first featured in the Tour? In what year was it first featured in the Tour? Hint was it first featured in the tour hence

it was a long time ago send your best guest to Ventum racing comm slash the move to be entered and win this year's grand prize five thousand bucks of store credit towards any Ventum bike Ventum racing comm slash the move our friend John Beely just wrote and he he said, draw Almeida. Almeida, but he's locked up there as well. Del Toro and Almeida are both at UAE. Top three state races in the world. He's almost the same age as Pogacar too.

Yeah, the problem is Pogacar has poor powers. As we saw in the first five minutes yesterday, that's the fundamental problem. The guy just puts out a lot of power. What's interesting is when Frum is dominating, we had never even heard of Bogacar, we'd never heard of Vinograd, and then they just seemed to come out of nowhere.

And it's like, will that happen to us again? I think so. I mean, the sport's always evolving. There's some young Slovenian kid that, I think he just won the Baby Giro, said it's the next Fianom, so who knows? These people are coming up. Slovenian?

Yeah. What? What did we drink? I was just there. I drank the water. I actually feel worse since I was there. What is going on? Slovenia is like the size of Travis County.

Yeah, I think it's two million people in the entire country. I mean. And maybe the top three million people in the entire country. I mean. And maybe the top three best players in the NBA is from there. Yeah. Well, and then the question, that's right. And then the question is, are the guys that we're talking about, the greats of today, or do they slow down? Do they lose power?

Or are we going to now be talking about whole new power levels and speeds and times that... Well, we're seeing it right in front of our eyes. Yeah. I mean, are a mix of both. Yeah. Another odd little oddity is rarely do you see a rider win a Vuelta or Giro and then win the tour. Almost all the modern tour winners win the tours, their first grand tour.

So then that starts to muddy the waters too, because then you stop looking at these other grand tours and it's not a progression like you think it is. No, but Tadej, he was, he first came on the scene in the 2019 vault. He won three stages. And got third overall. Yeah. Lipowitz actually, Esk, where he's like, oh, he's third. That's kind of interesting. He was 19 then. Yeah. Yeah.

And he won the tour of California. And he was, at that time, I remember the third stage he won, it was a 60k solo breakaway. Yeah. Yeah. And he won the tour of California. He was at that time. I remember the third stage he won. There was a 60 K solo breakaway. Yeah. So very much in the, in the how he's winning now. But that's the thing about that's at 19 and he's almost like at his finished form. And then even with Del Toro, Del Toro has a lot to improve before he's able to challenge Pogacar and Pogacar just seemed to be fully good at 19, which is obviously rare. He might be the best of all time. Yeah, he will be.

Yes, I agree. Questions? Anybody? So, an interesting one from Paul. Paul. Do Visma's tactics suggest that they've been racing for second place since the start of the tour, trying to make things hard for everyone except for Pogacar?

No, I think they were just confident that they were going to be able to crack them. They had to try. They're going to continue to try. Hopefully they give their guys like Juergensen and Sepp some free cards to go for stage wins, but they'll keep battling. You saw today Jonas attacking with 4K to go. They got to go in with a strategy to try to win the race. I mean, you got to go in with hope.

Damn, nobody else going to say anything? No, I mean, there's not much else to say. Lance agreed with me. I kind of criticize him for that Simon Yates stage one day, but in retrospect, it's good they got there. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I would just say I don't think that they had planned to drop him. I think they had hoped to drop him.

I think they're pretty realistic when it comes to his greatness. So everyone saw Primoz's ragged short socks the other day. This is a great question from Jamie. I had forgotten about this. So we all thought it was ridiculous, right? And she says, didn't Lance start the long sock thing when he was riding the tour, showing

that he has had some unique fashion sense for decades. If Primos, could Primos bring in the short sock revolution? I don't disagree with that. I don't think Lance started it was Max Chiondry, Silvia Martinello and Martinello. And then Lance kind of was, obviously he got more attention. I'll tell you what Lance did start, black socks in the dark. Yeah, yeah. Got a lot of black socks. Still a lot of black socks. I have fun sock story and it jives with um, Roglitz's short sock thing the other day. And this is not a well known story, but I do my first tour in 1993. Inderine is the king. Inderine is the Pogo Charm. And this guy, you got around Inderine, you're like, oh my God, you just started getting nervous and scared. And of course I did too.

I was wearing the National Champion Jersey. I'm with this great. And we're on, I believe it was the first stage, I might have been the second stage, and I felt terrible. And we were on Motorola, and I forget who our sock sponsor was, but it was these thick wool socks.

And it was hot out, and I was like, I feel terrible. And I said, I'm going to take my socks off. So I took my socks off and put a road barefoot and not with short socks. I took the socks off, threw them on the road and Inderine came by me and he's like, and he's making this money. He's like pointing at my ankles, my feet, and he's making a money thing. And I'm like, what's he talking about? Well, he was saying, you're going to get fined for not having socks that are shown. And I was like, I was so freaked

out because I was A, it was enderine B. I'm like, what did he just say? Like, is he giving me grief? Am I some sort of loser? He was saying, you're gonna get fined for not wearing socks. Did you? Yeah, I did. Wow. It's crazy. You do kind of wonder on hot days, should they not wear socks?

But I will tell you this. When I took those thick wool socks off on a hot day, I did feel better. Well, think about like feet on this leather soles. No, that doesn't sound too comfortable to me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah I mean I did hear like it could have been a Purposal thing like why are you gonna cover ten inches of your body with extra fabric on a 95 degree day? maybe don't you guys can defer this one I this might be too contentious, but

Who would win a hypothetical GC battle at the Tour de France? 2005 Lance Armstrong, 2012 Bradley Wiggins, current Tadej Pogacar and current Jonas Vindegaard, all racing like modern technology. I'd be fourth. But it's 400 kilometers of time trials. Oh, I don't know. Yeah, it's a good question though. Who knows? Yeah, it is like an unanswerable question. What's Wilt Chamberlain better than Michael Jordan? Yeah, it was Jordan. It's LeBron. It goes to the Jordan-LeBron debate,

which I seem to have all too often with my son, who swears up and down that LeBron James is, nobody's even close. He's the greatest of all time. And I grew up in the Jordan era. And I'm like, no. If you look at championships, if you look at the way he led the team, even as he led it with an iron fist, he inspired that team. You can look at Lebron.

He doesn't have the championship total. He seemingly does not lead a team the same way that MJ does. And his shoes are so small and and he's done well selling shoes very well yeah yeah Jordan strike rate is unbelievable like he's getting back into commentating yeah I kind of don't like that yeah anyway back to the move. Really? Spencer. We got to go cranky. Spencer. We got another week. I just, I like that I never hear from Michael Jordan.

That's nice. I do think he's the best of all time. That's not, this is not the place or time to talk about it. Um, I hear one more question from Miguel. Do the former tour winners on this show see anyone now that they think they could mentor into tour win-winship, into becoming a tour winner. Oscar-only. Ooh, nice.

I like that. I like that. Speaking of Oscar-only, and he's from your part of the way. I don't know how, by the way, I don't know how all this works. You've got Great Britain. You have these two islands. One of them's Ireland. Ireland's actually got two parts. So one part says, no, we're not a part of you.

But if you stick to the island on the right, the one that I think is England, then you've got these other places, Wales, Scotland, so this kid is from the highlands of Scotland. He's not, he's from the borders. Whatever, it's close enough. He probably thinks I'm not. Scotland's a big country. Right. So he says, I'm not a part of you. Anyhow, he might not... Anywhere I'm going with this is, we need you because he is our man. Slide into his DMs.

Yeah. All right. Oscar, I'm coming. Yeah. I'll be there. Sir Bradley Wiggins, dear Oscar, check your... I don't know what they call it on Instagram, not when you're DMing with your girlfriend or your best friend or your mom, but in the other bucket of randos and weirdos, Sir Bradley Wiggins is gonna be dropping in there because we love you and we want you on the move. We'll give you a free pot of collagen, come on.

And our fingers are crossed. Click and collect. I don't know if we can. And our fingers are crossed. Make sure you. Let's make it happen. Click the Request Tabs, Oscar. Yeah.

It's confusing sometimes. The double O. I'll be the double O. I'll be the hell of a race. I don't know where, man. This is the beauty of the tour. You get these guys that just come out of nowhere and fast forward, boom. Here we are talking about them every single day.

Cool to see. And then send your questions to info at wedo.tv. Info at wedo.tv. Wow. At least I'm not in a bad mood. info at wedo.team and we will see you all tomorrow. Thanks for tuning in.