THEMOVE - Why Didn't Visma Wait for Jonas? | Tour de France 2025 Stage 15 | THEMOVE

Episode Date: July 20, 2025

Lance, George, Sir Bradley Wiggins, and Spencer Martin (aka “The Professor”) discuss Tim Wellens’ incredible solo ride to drop his breakaway companions, including American Quinn Simmons, and win Stage 15 of the Tour de France ahead of a hard-chasing group behind. They break down how the frantic, high-speed stage further shifted the battle for the Green Jersey, and what Jonas Vingegaard being forced to chase back on after an early crash—while his Visma teammates drove the pace at the front—reveals about the team’s rapidly changing priorities. Before signing off, they take a few listeners’ questions and give their picks for Tuesday's finish atop the iconic Mont Ventoux. Roka: THEMOVE listeners get 20% off. Just go to https://ROKA.com and enter code THEMOVE at checkout. LMNT: Get your free 8-count Sample Pack with any LMNT purchase at https://drinklmnt.com/themove Be sure to try the new LMNT Sparkling — a bold, 16-ounce can of sparkling electrolyte water. The Feed: You heard it first on THEMOVE. A better morning for only $3.99 and our listeners save 20% today. No code needed, the discount is automatic. Go to https://thefeed.com Ketone-IQ: Take your shot: Get 30% off your subscription, plus a free gift with your second shipment at https://Ketone.com/themove Honey Stinger: Head on over to https://honeystinger.com/themove to check out all of their products, including my favorite, the waffle. Our listeners can get 25% off your first order at https://honeystinger.com/themove. That’s THEMOVE for 25% off your first order. Ventum: Enter Ventum Trivia of the Day for a chance to win the Grand Prize: $5,000 of store credit towards any Ventum bike. Don’t want to leave it to chance, 10% off sitewide using the code THEMOVE10 or 20% off any NS1 road bike build with code NS120  https://ventumracing.com/themove/

If your only sort of goal is to control it, yes, because a team like Little Trek, if this was a sprint finish, they'd put all their guys at the front for 200k and control it. They can let a breakaway of 10 guys go, keep them at a minute. You have no option but to draw a train. You have to. That's what they're here for. That's their only option. But even if they controlled it today, Milan's off the back.

So that's also where it gets complicated. But this is flatter. He's got a rest day. You think he'd be able to recover. I mean, the guy can go a pill. He's done well in Milan's center. He's got a rest day. You think he'd be able to recover. I mean, the guy can go up hill. He's got, he's done well in Milan, San Remo. So he just needs to recover. And he can certainly get over any of these little bumps before the Vantoo. What a great competition though. You got it. You got the best juicy ride in the world.

One of the best sprinters in the world and the best classics ride in the world. All fine for the jersey. Yeah. Good morning, gentlemen. Good morning, everybody. Welcome back to the... Wow, this sounds funny. The Move Podcast. Morning.

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Couple things stand out for me. Tim Wellens is a hell of a bike racer. We all know that. He's one of these guys, we love those guys that when they put the numbers on the back, he's finding a way to race. Obviously Belgian champion, you saw him when you were discussing, or we were sort of debating

when's the last time a Belgian national champion won a stage in the Tour de France or something. Was it wild, Venard? Did we figure out? It was wild. Yeah. Before that, back to our old friend Ludo Derkenss. But he's now won stages in all three grand tours. I mean, this is a guy who wins bike races.

Yeah. You forget how many, I mean, this is a guy who wins bike races. Yeah. You forget how many, I mean, I said to you, Spencer, that you forget how much he wins because of the gaps in between his wins, but what Tour de France he's had. I mean, he's been on it since the start of this race and that's, that's some payback for him. You saw how happy Tade was for him in a few of the little clips we had at the radio. Some of the clips. I mean, it was, it was. Yeah. He's been a key guy for Tade in the wind in the, of the radio. We had some of the clips. I mean, it was... Yeah, he's been a key guy for today.

In the wind, in the sketchy sections. So for him to make the breakaway today, and we were talking about earlier, like not having to do much work, because he's in his teammates in the yellow jersey, so he can kind of get a free ride and took advantage of it, and rode away from the guys. Super impressive.

That's where it gets fun to talk about, because we saw Quinn Simmons' comments. By the way, hell way hell override by Quinn But we'll talk about all that later in the show I was gonna say one other thing Huh, it's getting you know two weeks for us man. Let's get a little these guys are tired. They look tired. We're tired We're running on fumes right now. We are We're running on fumes today show brought to are running on fumes. Today's show brought to you by Roca. They have completely reinvented eyewear.

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Yeah. Lance, you should try it. Maybe you won't wine as much on the bike ride. What are you talking about? It's not. It's not. George is tired. I am. on the bike ride. What are you talking about? It's Nitric Oxide Pro. George is tired too. You need some more nitric oxide. Let's break it down.

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right here, baby. Yeah. And you can get these test strips too. So you can actually see if it's working. You just put them on your tongue for a couple of seconds. And the darker purple is the more nitric oxide you have in your body. These guys at the feed, they got all the new cool stuff. Speaking of that, they didn't send me that,

so I'd like to try that. I'm just wondering why we didn't think of this idea. Yeah, the new Nitric Oxide Pro just launched. It's just two pills a day in the last 24 hours. Not that I have an issue with this, but for you older guys, it also increases blood flow. So now, now might be a good time. I don't know if anybody that's followed us ever, or the last few months, but the three of us were together. It was a tour of Flanders in Austin. We were all there together, tour of Flandanders at Melodyne's did a live show Did a ride after and there was some Liz who's also here took some photos a Certain somebody that photos now been taken down from the internet, but a certain somebody was not lacking in It was a very popular picture.

Lance Sexcells. That's what I'm saying. You know, I don't really know. The algorithms go. Nor do I care about the comments about my hair, whatever. Or I don't count the comments, but that I do know that while that one was up, Mr. Bloodflow, I got a lot of comments. you know what I'm saying? Mm.

It was in the cold, too. Bradley called me, and he goes, we have to take it down. It's not a good look for Weedle. Oh, I thought we had a short picture. We're not selling bananas here. Do we not have the photo? Liz, can we perhaps show the photo soon? Brad is like, nah, mate, the tabloids, mate. I was like, tabloids, fuck, who cares?

They'll go with anything. Well, you know what, if they're gonna go with anything, let them go with that. Okay, I don't know. Should we talk about the bike race? Yeah, back to the move. Back to the move. Today was a quintessential transition stage.

Yeah, but a highly entertaining one. Highly entertaining. I mean, crashes from the beginning, Back to the move. Today was a quintessential transition stage. Yeah. But a highly entertaining one. Highly entertaining. I mean, crashes from the beginning. Jonas Vindigo crashed. Alaphilippe crashed. Crosswinds. There was, at one moment, I thought

there was like four or five, six different groups on the road. The breakaway never got more than a minute for a while. Yeah, it was jammed. Action packed. Really highly contested. Actually, Van Den Poel took the green jersey points. So he's creeping up in the classification there as well. So a lot of action there. When Milan tried to go,

Jonathan Milan tried to go in the break with him and got dropped from the break and then got dropped from the peloton. Like that's how hard it was. Kind of a strange situation where Pogacar is up there at the front of the race where you should be as a race leader. There's a crash. You know, Spinnigard's caught behind. Pogacar is up front with three Wiesma riders. He's like, hey guys, you know this crash, we should wait for him. And Wiesma is like, we're not interested

in that. And they're just attacking as Taddy's talking to him. You can see him like confused. What's going on? Yeah, I thought that was a strain. I mean there's something going on there Yeah, and and you saw later in the stage, you know when I said a mechanical um and and And was alone. Yeah Nobody back there with him I don't something's going on. I mean right and look compare and right. The two best riders in the tour on arguably the two best teams. Right. So in on one side, you have you a look at the demonstration, right?

Tadei head and shoulders above everybody else. Tim Wellens just rides a perfect race. And we'll talk about the strategy and where this affects Quinn Simmons or impacts Quinn Simmons. Tadei is like checking on him. Hey, Tim, how's it going up there? Feeling good? Make sure you zip up.

Make sure you, I don't know, like just chatting. Yeah. That is you hear that morale, right? You hear that camaraderie, you hear that mojo on the radio and you see it in the race and then you got Wiesma. It's like, wow. I mean, the tale of two teams right there. Well, I think they're seeing the writing on the wall.

They don't think that they can beat Tadej. All those guys are world class in their own right and they can win stages at any given time. So I think now they're like, well, you might as well take an opportunity and try to go for a stage win. I like what Menard. I mean, we saw yesterday, Sepp you might as well take an opportunity and try to go for a stage win. I like what men are. I mean, we saw yesterday, Seth Cus, Simon Yates in the break.

I think we're going to see a lot more of that in the next, in this last week of the Tour de France. It kind of makes, it looks weird. I was confused at the time, but I was telling Bradley when he came in, it kind of makes sense because it's like we need stage wins. Let's get in the breakaway. We're going to get Victor Campenaerts, W. Let's get in the breakaway. We're going to get Victor Campenaerts, Wout Van Aert in the breakaway.

If Jonas is with like Florian Lippowitz, like he will come back. Like at some point the Peloton will calm down where they're assuming Tade is not going to jump in the break with them. So it kind of was fine. It just looks weird. It looks weird, but I mean,

this is now we're getting into the third week of the Tour de France. Teams are starting to get desperate. They don't have stage wins. I don't know how many teams do not have a win right now. Quite a few. Quite a few. So what happens? It makes the racing super aggressive and it doesn't matter. I think even, well, maybe not the yellow jersey was off the back, but second place. I mean, they got to make the breakaway. It's their job to make the breakaway.

They're not going to stop no matter what. And I guess Visma is like, yeah, he'll be fine coming up on his own. Well, any of us who won yesterday, misses the break and they're the ones pulling it back. And they just got a stage win and they're like, that's not good enough. And then they did successfully get someone across.

But I thought really interesting, most interesting part of the day, Tim Wellens gets in the early move, sitting at the back of the bunch, not working. Wout Van Aert comes back to say, hey man, you gotta take a hole. And he declines. And that probably contributes to him being fresh enough

to launch that great winning attack. Can you guys just tell me like, why is that? Why does he not have to work in the breakaway? That's just historical in cycling. It's sort of an unwritten rule, a little bit like the one where the yellow jersey stops for a natural break that no one should attack. This one's the same. If you're in the yellow jersey, leading team GC, you know, and a rider from your team gets in a break and you're just marching in the break, you have the right to sit on because you're the GC,

the yellow jersey team. And that's always been that way. I can see that both ways. I mean, there's nobody in that break that's jeopardizing Tadej Pogacar. Yes, I think that can be a satisfactory historical answer. You can also find some hybrid solution, right? You're not driving the break, you're just kind of, you're just going through and sort of TV pulls. And that keeps everybody happy.

And you're not wasting any energy. But I could see their perspective too. I mean, a wildfire art saying, hey, nobody up here is jeopardizing yellow. So let's, you're a fantastic one day racer, fantastic. You won 40 at this point, you'd won 40 races in your career, like you're a favorite in this group, like come on, you gotta ride through. I can see that both ways. We have seen Weldon Art in breakaways and other Grand Tours where he

had a leader. It just happened, right? Yeah, and I mean, I think he's worked in the breakaway, so I can see his point of view as well. But like Bradley said, it's historical. You don't have to pull when you have your guy in the back in the yellow jersey. And I mean, let's not forget he went away with 50K to go with guys like Quinn Simmons and Cam Pernotts behind him. No panic cooking. These guys are the strongest guys in the world.

And he just kept putting time on them. And he's basically done what we've been saying Visma should do. Just sit back. Yeah. It's your job to ride. We're going to sit here and take that risk. Well, and he knew it was so fast behind. He knew they didn't have time to really argue and Vanderpool needed

the intermediate sprint points. So of course he was going to drive it. So it's really smart move from Wellens. Yeah. And we'd go in early, perhaps surprise them and they should have known that, that he was, he was going to do something like that. Now maybe he did it earlier, which is smart. And he went with crazy power.

Quinn was going all out and kind of kept him there like two, three seconds and then just the gap after that right hand corner just started increasing. Very impressive attack. Look, Quinn Simmons is riding a hell of a race. Right? He's, he's, I think to me he's demonstrated up until now that he's one of the 10 strongest guys in the race. Now, having said that, I would almost make the case that he is showing too much, doing too much.

I could look back at at least two stages, maybe three, where if you just play things a little differently, we're talking about a guy that's one has already won a stage or two and even a third. And I watch his post-raise interview. Look, I mean, this is, there's nothing at, look, people get excited about being in the tour and being in the breaks and stuff like that. But you know, at some point you got to be pissed that you don't have that stage went that you deserve. So my message to Quinn would be like, Hey, next time, like you don't get these opportunities. Look,

look at the rest of the tour. You are not going to, he's going to have another opportunity because he's tough and he's one of the 10 strongest guys in the race. But if you find yourself there, and he's one of the 10 strongest guys in the race. But if you find yourself there, every second counts, every decision counts, wait, just don't, you just don't get many cracks at it. The thing that concerns, like if you're coaching kids, it's like, I don't care if you lose, I want you to understand why you lost.

And Quinn Simmons didn't understand why he lost. I agree. Because he was like, oh, that's weird, Wellens was sitting on and then attacked, that's a strange way to ride. It's like, no, that's the good way to ride. That's how you win. So that concerned me slightly.

Well, there's no doubt he's one of the most aggressive, if not the most aggressive guy in the race. He's made the hardest breakaways so far, and hopefully just gets it right in the next breakaway he goes in. Yeah, and we're pulling for that. Yeah, do less. Speaking of people not,. Speaking of people either getting it right or not getting it right, Julian Alaphilippe

somehow, someway, thought he was sprinting for the win and came around or beat Bob Van Aert. And I guess the team confirmed it that he thought he now was sprinting for third, not second. One of those moments, I mean, here's one of the greatest of the generation, multi-time world champion. Boy, didn't have a radio or the race radio was not working properly, so wasn't aware but still have the awareness that you're not sprinting for the win.

It's those days where you go back in the bus and you're not sprinting for the win. So those days where you go back in the bus and you're like, Ooh, well, I think that's just a testament of how hard today was testament of how tight the groups were in between. So the cars couldn't really come. They were without water for a long time. He crashed in the beginning of stage. So I mean, think about everything he went through today. And then all of a sudden he finds himself with what he thought was the lead group because he didn't have any radio communication. There's thousands of people on the side of the road. I can see where the confusion would come from and unfortunately he didn't get the win but

he's clearly riding really good. As Bradley said maybe he thought, well Campin' Arts is right in front of him but maybe he thought he was the Mavic motorcycle return. Yeah I mean the front of the race feels different. You're coming into the home stretch of the Tour de France finish with 1k to go. You're blinded by noise and just the riders it's hard to see something a hundred meters in front of you. Yeah it's not a small race. I think it does speak to just how like hard these stages are. Yeah. These guys don't even know like where they are. Yeah it's funny Vandepal had the thing the other day didn't he? Where he didn't he thought he was the frontback. So talking about two of the best riders

in the world essentially made the same mistake because of the intensity of the atmosphere surrounding them. It's just the Tour de France is absolutely crazy. That kind of reminds me Bradley like Quinn Simmons on that stage attacked before Vanderpool Vanderpool catches him drops him you kind of wonder maybe just stick on Vanderpool's wheel and see if you can follow him and then those two guys are chasing Aubur Hansen yeah yeah so just just regulate regulate you have the Quinn Simmons has a ton of horsepower is plenty horsepower to win multiple stages yeah just be careful right and use it when it really counts. We talked about this the other day that as the tour, as you get deeper and deeper into the tour, you start to see these

interests come out for teams, whether it's Team GC, one of the jerseys, a white jersey, a podium spot, or even, and we said this, you know, the fighting to keep a rider in the top 10. If you look at the Peloton being pulled by EF to protect Ben Healy's ninth place on GC. Now, they weren't able to do that. He slipped to 10th. But still, that shows you, again, you're back there. You're UAE.

You're Tata. You're like, cool. These guys are going to ride for ninth place? I mean, this is stuff that happens in the back half of every tour. Yeah and he's got I mean Tadej's got no concern right now he's got the best team in the race he's got the guy in the breakaway he's got the guys that can ride all day long if they need to so like you said today just they just kind of had a day off they were able to sit

in and let the EF and Uno X do a lot of the work. I mean, you said it. Look, I mean, they lost Almeda early. We were like, wow, that's a big blow for this team. Look at this team bounce back. They had four guys with them. Nobody even remembers them losing Almeda. No.

Right? Yeah, actually, if Almeda was still here, the podium, I think, would look a lot different. Oh my goodness. He'd probably be right there with him. It actually complicates it for them, maybe more than it is now. All right, quick break for our friends at Peacock.

We'll be back in two and 32. All right everybody, welcome back to the Move. While we were on that little commercial break, phone lines, I was told phone lines just been lighting up this morning here at the Move studio in reference to this said photo from Austin. There's something about circulation and... He's just looking at Bradley's look at everything.

Where are you going? Well, we've had to slightly modify the photo. All right. Not bad. Not bad. Not bad. It's a good pic. Well, we've had to slightly modify the photo. Not bad. Not bad. Not bad. It's a good pick. I like that shirt, Lance.

What's that shirt? I don't know. Your shirt. Oh, I thought it was the photo. No, no. This is a new Melo Johnny's tee. Oh, that's cool. That's cool.

You've got the new branding also, Jordan. Yeah, I do. Five, six, seven, just something like that. Wow. Green Jersey heating up. I mean, Jonathan, so now, I mean, it's going to be wild. Jonathan Milon. Still technically winning.

Of course. But got nothing today. The barometer there is stock prices dropping, stock prices dropping. Matthew Vanderpoel all of a sudden in this discussion, he's gonna be getting points all the way to Paris and Tadej Pogacar. It's gonna heat up. It is, I mean Jonathan Milan too, we're not sure what happened to him today but that rest day is coming at the perfect timing for him because he's really gonna need to recover in order to keep going after this green jersey and if a guy like Matthew Vanderpoel is knocking on your door I'd be pretty nervous myself. I would go as far as to say it might be done

because there's six stages left. Wow. How many intermediate sprints does Vanderpoel not get? Yeah. He probably gets every single one because he's going to be in the break. And then Pagachar, if he wins three more mountain stages, that's 60 points. Well, if you look at the Van Tu one, I mean, they, well, that's a long ways out. 112k. That's kind of hard for them to control that one. Yeah. Yeah, but don't you have to?

I mean, they kind of have to. They lost Skelman's. They kind of have to. You saw today it was not pot. Nobody could control it. It was like 36 miles an hour for the first hour. I mean they have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have guys at the front for 200k and control it. They can let a breakaway of 10 guys go. You have no option but to draw and try. That's what they're here for. That's their only option. Yeah. But even if they controlled it today, Milan's off the back. So that's also where it gets complicated. But this is flatter. He's got a rest day. You think he'd be able to recover. I mean, the guy can go uphill. He's done well in Milan-San Remo. So he just needs to recover. He can certainly get over any of these little bumps before the Vaughan 2.

What a great competition though. You got the best GC ride in the world, one of the best sprinters in the world, and the best classics rider in the world, all fine for the jersey. Yeah. And I will say this, if Jonathan Milan and his team can figure out a way to control the peloton and get him these points, and he holds on to win in Paris,

well, that's pretty awesome. That's well deserved. It probably will come down to Paris, because that's pretty awesome. That's well deserved. Probably will come down to Paris, because that's a 15 point finish. Which is suited to the Van Vleuvel a lot. I actually could imagine all three winning under different circumstances, which is pretty interesting. Certainly shaping up to be more exciting than the yellow

jersey. Nah, it'll be fun. Yeah. As the tour, and we talked about some if you watch the race as we do you know see all the castles and the rivers and the bridges and all this stuff. We had the comment at the other day there was that field art with Bernard Hino that I thought was I put that up that was the yellow jersey for me in terms of, like ever, all time. I don't know how they did that. But as the tour rolls through France and people do crazier and crazier things to get on TV,

so they'll pull themselves up on cranes while they're on a bike and they'll be sort of air pedaling and the crane will be spinning. Yeah, that's okay. Yeah, and then you get the guy or gal who gets on a horse, rolling down beside the Peloton, great for the helicopter shot. The other day we saw something, we picked it up on Instagram.

I've never, I've seen it all, I feel like. I've never seen this. This is a whole new sport. I was, oh, come on, new Olympic sport unlocked. There is a guy on a motorcycle pulling a dude on skis, like he's, like water skis, behind the moto with a rope beside the peloton. One more time.

So good. We oughta try that here. I mean, I would 100% try that. I grew up water skiing. I could easily do this. That's pretty insane. That is insane. That is insane.

I mean... That's amazing. Bradley's like, how many more days is this for? One week. One week to go. And a lot's to happen. And a rest day? You can have a rest day. And a lot's to happen. And a rest day?

You don't have to do anything tomorrow other than write up Independence Pass. Yep. Which I was a little surprised to hear you say. Well, and a little, I was a little interested in maybe tagging along. You don't want to do that. Sorry, George. What do you mean? How slow do you want to go?

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although I do have a fun little snippet on the rest day, and last rest day we showed a picture of somebody's bed, was the Wiesma bed. I got some comments about that, primarily from Matteo Jorgensen's mother, which I'll try to dig in my DMs and find a message because it was interesting. But we also showed yesterday this run-in with the Ineos car. And there were some updates on that. The Ineos car hit a spectator. Bradley, you got some,

I guess, some details on a fine. Well, they said on the TV, they were, it was one of the biggest fines ever given out to a team car in the Tour de France, 5,000 Swiss francs. I disagree with that, which I think if you know, no, I mean, if you watch the clip, they jumped in front of the car. So yeah, they didn't just, they not only jumped in front of the car, but you're jumping in front of a moving car. Watch this. Okay.

Jump in front of a car. That wasn't a good look, but boom, see you in the hospital. Here we go. And you are looking, right, if you're gonna jump in front of a car and you're gonna look the other way to take a photo or a video, yeah, maybe you deserve to get hit, right? Yeah, no, the thing is,

not that anybody deserves. Ouch. If it was a rider that hit a spectator, the rider would be the victim and the spectator would be taken off the side of the road, etc. But now it's the other way around. It's been hit by a car. Now the car's being fined. Well, outside of hitting the person, the car did nothing wrong. call as being fine. Well outside of hitting the person the car did nothing wrong. No exactly. It's like other than the patient dying the surgery was a success. So I don't really know how you handle that with the fine. It'd be a good question for Johan on y'all show because I don't think Johan ever certainly never intentionally hit anybody with the front of the car. But there might have been a few times

where the mechanic's rear door accidentally opened. Oh, really? You can ask him on the show. We saw a couple of strange things going on in the beginning where Pogatrial would not get off of Jorgensen's wheel, never let him slip off the front. He's 32 minutes down in GC.

And he's far, yeah, I don't get that's weird. I think we're going to see more and more of that, because I think Vy smell like I keep saying they're going to go all in for the breakaways moving forward. And that seemed to be the crux of the argument early. He was just sitting on Matteo saying, maybe he wasn't saying it, but like, hey, your guy's in the back. I'll drop back when you drop back.

And Matteo didn't want to do that. And then he kind of marked him out of every breakaway attempt he had. It just seems like there's something, some friction is going on there. And Jorgensen was a little, he kind of rubbed the Dauphiné time trial in Pogacar's face a little bit, I thought, at the time. And I kind of wonder if that didn'té tantra in Pogacar's face a little bit, I thought at the time. And I kind of wonder if that didn't sit too well with Pogacar. He's kept his seats. Yeah, he does. He does. I've been saying that.

Speaking of Mateo Jorgensen and Anne the rest day, I did dig up this message from Mateo's mom, because we had shown a picture of a bed and it was a Wiesma bed all kitted out with sheets and everything. She says, I can verify that each Wiesma rider has their own mattress, density specs customized by the sponsor. Matteo says it's actually nice to have the expectations set, knowing each night how his mattress will feel. He sleeps quite well, in fact.

That's pretty, I mean, so so bringing it think of the lift I mean when we started racing the soigneurs and you know do a rain a day in the rain the kit was just disgusting. We would do our laundry and in the sink and then eventually they we had the team trucks and they had washers and drivers in there and the soigneurs were like we ah, we have to do the laundry. Right. And now these poor swan years are lugging around mattresses, you know, probably air conditioners, they clean the rooms a lot of times beforehand. And I believe some of the way eight mattresses has their own washing machine as well. Now you guys started that. Yeah. So rather than put eight pairs of shorts in one washing machine, because the bacteria and stuff are shammy's and things, each rider has their own washing machine.

Is that how bacteria works? Isn't that what you see? Your feet have different bacteria, don't they? So if you wash a pair of socks in with the chamois and stuff, this is what I've been told. I mean, it's not, I'm going to degree in it or anything, but and so, you know, saddle soles and bacteria, in the shammy because obviously if you watch eight pairs of kit together, yeah, you might as the Turd that's in it. Yeah, and I always had I had the worst District story. I mean I had terrible Saddlesores in my day. Well, it wasn't it wasn't that when you turn your engine on when you keep moving your shorts Yeah, I was sure trying to get it off that saddle. But now... According to Dateline, I think it was, one of these records still... If you've seen George's feet, I'm now putting two and two together.

He's got hobbit feet. There's something... I didn't realize foot funk is different than... Yeah, no, it is. Tank funk. Yeah. Is that right, Spencer? Well, it's gotta be. If you guys invested in that many washing machines...

Yeah. I got a deal. I got a good deal from Siemens. It was fantastic. What are you saying? Not that come on guys. It's the it's the problematic German company not what you're thinking. But Lance, we're seeing you wash your own kit in the sink. Yeah, they should roll in a towel is a long time ago. Yeah, so you would you know, this is going back to the

early 90s. Yeah, you would., you know, this is going back to the early 90s. Yeah, you would, by the way, chamois back then were not, like they weren't a synthetic chamois, they were actual chamois, but we would wash them in the sink and you would just use shampoo or liquid body soap that they had in the hotel rooms

and you'd sit there and wash them as much as you could and then take them out and wring there and wash them as much as you could and then take them out and wring them out to get as much water out. And then we had this whole system where you would lay a towel flat on the floor. And if it's a big enough towel, you can get both the short and the jersey in that one towel. And you start with a short and then you lay them as flat as you can. And then you would at the very bottom, just roll this thing up as tight as you could, all the way to the top. So everything's within this towel. Like a cinnamon bun.

Like a cinnamon bun, which I eat every morning. And then you would stomp on the towel to get all, and then you would take it out. And I mean, it's almost like you put it in a spin dryer. Still use that technique once in a while. Yeah, I actually do too. Yeah. It kind of explains the saddle sores,

because you're not getting them as clean as it needs to be. But George, what you're saying about the rooms and the mattresses, that is a huge. Oh, huge. Because what's the point of doing all the training, all the sacrifice, and you're in some bad hotel without AC, and you can't cool down, and your core body temperature's too high the next day?

It does kind of make sense. Which, I mean, the hotels range from two stars to four stars. So you had a lot of subpar hotels in the Tour de France. And these guys really try to control their sleeping environment, which makes a ton of sense. And this goes back to Johan's point earlier in the tour. I mean, they've really increased the staff count on tour. I mean, back in the day, we had a couple few swineers and a couple few

mechanics. The director, like there wasn't, you couldn't have, you didn't have enough humans to lug eight mattresses to do, to run eight different washing machines to handle food, to get, I mean, we just didn't have the manpower, right? So you, but now that speaks to the budget in like what we're describing as money. Money takes care of all of this, but we were talking about Lotto and Intermarché merging the other day. It's because I think Intermarché's budget is 18 million euros a year, which used to be a lot.

I went back in 2019, that would have been the fourth highest budget in the world tour. And now they're like, that's not even close. So they're trying to get like a 33 million euro a year budget combined to just be able to compete. But a lot of it, probably the money goes to things like this. Yeah. Well, that means there's going to be a lot of riders.

Yeah, I was going to say, shaking up the market. You can't total up those teams and have that head count from a rider standpoint. So then RK going away. Straight to George's GoFundMe. Also looking for riders. That's right. We got like six spots left.

Ventum trivia of the day. We asked the question yesterday about the Tourmalay. It's the most climbed mountain pass in the history of the tour. And what year was it first featured in the tour? I gave a little spoiler teaser. I said it was a long time ago. Kids, that would be 1910. You watched the stage yesterday.

Imagine going over that bad boy in 1910. That would have been an innovation, right? We're going into the mountains and people must have been protesting it. Like, no, we can't do that. If you don't, you may not come back. So send your wife and loved ones a note. That kind of thing.

1910 going over that thing? No thanks. Question of the day for stage 15. Which rider holds the record for the longest successful solo breakaway starting from Carcassonne in 1947 is a multi-choice. Which rider holds the record for the longest successful solo breakaway starting from Carcassonne in 1947? Bradley, you know a lot about cycling.

You damn sure don't know the answer to this. I do. A. Louis- Are you trying to me? Louis-Saint-Boubet. B. Albert Boulon. C. Jean Robic. D. Andre Marquis.

We almost need a lan for some of these names. That is the Ventum trivia question of the day. Do you know? Yeah. Okay. Don't say it. That's absurd. You know that result from 1947. I think he knows because he's looking at it and the one of the letters is slightly off. It's different. No, I did know that one only because one of my solo breakaways in the choice still the seventh longest in tour history Which one was that one the one into both do as long? 2007 that mountain stage or no nose flat stage 200 Two new ones of the bases. No, I think I got caught. That's right. You got caught. Okay. Yeah

Did you say your gap was like 16 minutes 17 and a half minutes Wow? Nowadays you'd stay away. Well, yeah, this is, I was, this was more my Pat DeFuise and rice cakes and 250 grams of carbon hour. Yeah. Yeah. A little ham and bread roll. You know, the French used to make you a can of Coke in your museum. You're opening, they think of the arrow glosses.

I have a question for you guys. Go for it. It's what we rest day tomorrow Vaughn to on stage 16 out of the rest day looks like looks like a hockey stick That's what the profile looks like. So Vaughn to is the only feature who wins on this climb Pocotar today. Yeah. Yeah because Go ahead. No poker char wins and he should win right I Feel like if I think back to my career, and this is a well-known story, riding up with Pantani and he won the stage.

I don't want to get into the details of the conversation or the controversy, certainly when it comes to him because he's not here to chime in. But I will never forget at the top getting a phone call from Eddie Merck saying, because his view was that I gifted the stage, he said, you don't ever, ever give away the Vaughn 2. It is that special. Tadej Pogacar knows that. I'm not a historian, so I don't know if Tadej's won up the Vaughn 2. If he hasn't, he's going to win with one leg.

So when Eddie called you, were you pissed? Or did you just? I did not feel great. I was handily in yellow, and it's one of those moments where you're like, wow. That was a shitty phone call. But it all depends on what they wanna do on Tuesday. It's just so special.

So there's gonna be a zillion people there. It's very, very special. I would say a guy like Tade wants to win that stage. Absolutely. But on the other hand, perhaps the team wants to save their guys for the Alps and all the difficult stages coming up. Yeah, because just from a sporting perspective

or like strategy, they should let the breakaway win. But this added juice. And you guys remember what happened the last time they came here Mr. Pagache got dropped by Jonas. So that's not gonna happen It's got a correct vibe that the by the way that team is floating we talked about at the top of the show this this team is Yeah, they got the loading going. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you were gonna say something Bradley Yeah, and that's without my major as well

This team is as recalibibrated reset themselves after the disappointment of our made up. You know, the question marks around some of the other helpers in that team and they've come into this third week now completely in control. Who wins on the Bantu today? Yeah. I mean, he has to agree. This is, this is, I think that's why he's backed off the last couple of days with this in mind. But what does he do on the rest day? We've been speaking about how riders can come out of a rest day on a stage like this and never be, there's a little bit of uncertainty.

I mean, how long would you have done on a day like this, a rest day? I'd have done three, four hours on the ride like this. Some efforts. Yeah. Yeah, I'm with you. That was never a popular practice on Postal back in the day. I was not well liked on the team for, but yeah, I wanted to go out and the engines running, right? I mean, don't let it, don't back off. Like you don't have to go out and bear yourself,

but you have to go out and get into those zones that, you know, simulate the race even for little snippets. But the boys hated it. They hated it. Did you guys ever come out of a rest day going, oh man, I feel terrible? No. No.

No, no. Interesting. I have. Yeah, because I was a little bit lazier on the rest day. I would like to just chill. And then if it started up, it would be awful. So right here you got to keep the energy going. That Colombian, that South American, that Latino in you.

Hey man. The worst one were the rest days where you had a summit finish the day before and you stayed at the summit. So you'd either descend the mountain and ride back up it or you did home trainer up on the top. Yeah. And then I guess you have to sleep at altitude.

Probably not. Yeah, also not ideal. Yeah, ideal. But cooler. Yeah. Yeah. Back in the day when we didn't have eight washing machines and eight air conditioners and everything else. It was cooler.

Well, we have another. We have some pretty smart listeners. Someone did a data analysis for us and sent it in. Do we have that to pull up? Mr. Bolsch. So this is this. They broke down, they broke down based on the YouTube comments,

attributes of all the hosts. So this is, they first did Lance. Is this like, chat GPT's a host attributes, Lance. Let's look at the sentiment associated with these attributes for Lance. Lance garnered a positive sentiment in all attributes except attitude, which was negative. Oh, Lord. Here's some quotes. Here's attitude. Some of the keywords mean, grumpy, cranky.

Boy. Oh, all right. This is a lot. Yeah, I'm ready. And then so, so wait, am I getting a passing grade or am I getting a failing grade? This is just the baseline. And then we have one for George, I believe. Wow. George garnered a positive sentiment. Look at the attractiveness. In all attributes.

Why do they get so little in athleticism? Look at the attractiveness of George. Take it up with YouTube comments. Really? But this is somebody. This is somebody who does this for a living. And the poor soul put their email address on there, the bottom. Nobody looked bottom left. Just don't look down there.

Everyone be cool about that. OK. And Sir Bradley Wiggins? We don't have Brad. I can do my own. It's still rendering, I think. Yeah, that was pretty cool. That was really that is accepted. Athleticism part. That was good. Actually, yeah, I'd

be curious to know like how that we were just up at the house looking at that like marveling at the effort this person put into breaking down. Yeah, YouTube comments. AI did all that. Well, we don't know. Don't I don't I don't know. I don't know how all that works. hand, we don't know. I don't know. I don't know how all that works. Hand tabulated by each comment. I have one more question for you guys before we go. I don't think this worked by the way. Back in Tiger Woods' era, this is from Dan. Back in Tiger Woods' dominant era, golf course designers and tournament organizers tried to

tiger-proof courses for tournaments. I don't think that was successful. If Taddei continues as dominant run in cycling, could you see the Tour de France organizers try to Taddei-proof courses for tournaments. I don't think that was successful. If Taddei continues its dominant run in cycling, could you see the Tour de France organizers try to Taddei-proof future tours? Could it be done? How would it be done? Well, of course they could. They could absolutely do that.

We've said this many, many times. It is their race. They dictate the course. They can do whatever they want. Right, and we heard a lot about this back in the day, and they did try to sort of create courses that would make it harder for us, and I said, look, I mean, if they wanna do

three weeks of criteriums around Paris, they can. We will then have to try to figure out a way to win the bike race. But they could have built it a way that you couldn't win. Right? And they could certainly do that with Tadi. But look, in my answer back then, which should be Tadi's answer,

is if the race goes around the country and they go through the Alps and they go through the Pyrenees and they throw in a time trial, maybe, maybe not, we're gonna to win. And so will he, like it doesn't, I don't see what they could do without. I mean, where they put a tour of Flanders in there, a power ruby. Well, then he's still going to win by more. Yeah.

You would have to make it, it would be a mockery if they, if they, but they are not going to do that. By the way, ASO likes this story. They like him, right. They like his personality. Do they like that it's this dominant and it's not that close? No. No organizer, no sport likes that. But they like him.

And so they're going to ride this. That's what they do. I feel like in tennis, it's never seen as a problem. You go look at a list of tennis major winners, and it's the same three names. And oftentimes, you'll get someone on a dominant run, but it's never like, we've got to stop this. People just seem to enjoy it more.

I'm not quite sure why. Also, you would say one answer would be more time trials. Well, without the time trials, because he's bad at time trials, right, Tade? Without time trials, if you just took those out of this tour Jonas is 232 back. So today's actually increased his lead significantly. Yeah, but then Tadey would have just attacked yesterday Yeah, you can only train to the demands of the event that's put in front of you, you know, so all that that's

Their job is to make a route that's exciting. Yeah. Yes They want it to be competitive and keep it competitive for as long as possible, but it's also meant to be exciting for the viewer, which is what we are. And I think they've done it from the get-go here in 2025. I thought they did a great job. I mean, those early stages, I mean, it's been an exciting, look at today.

Yeah. Like I kind of gave myself a little freedom to sleep in a little bit. I woke up, I was like, whoa, I mean, this is exciting. Like there's every day has had something. So they also, they're patting themselves on the back for that. Now, as we said at the top of the show, there's not a lot of teams that have won stages here or have impacted the race or stood on a podium.

So that's gonna really spice up the back week and the last week. But I thought it's, you know, I give them high marks for the route that they picked this year. I agree. And tomorrow it's gonna start off with a bang. I mean, tomorrow's the rest of it, yeah. I mean, Tuesday.

So wait, no, hang on, there might be some, nevermind. Yeah, that's a question we got to, but we won't get to that one today. OK, about bangs? Yeah. Yeah. There's not a good answer on that. Whoever asked that question, there's no good answer there.

Ha ha ha. Maybe we should see what Cipollini's doing. Maybe he'd like to zoom in on the rest day and comment on that question. Super Mario? Yep. No? You guys following me here?

Yeah. Oh, mighty. I like a bunch of the things. We're two steps behind. Bunch of kindergartners. Anyways, all right. I think we got it, right? Yeah.

Yeah, I just have a little screen on here with the open. So we can anti-tiger, trying to tiger proof things. Scotty Scheffler running away with his sport. But it happens. When you watch, it's fun to watch a goat, which is what we're watching in this tour. All right, everybody, thanks for tuning in. We will see, not tomorrow, we willanteu and Vouchy.