THEMOVE - Will Growing Protests Completely Derail the Vuelta a España? | Vuelta a España Stage 11 Analysis & Stage 12 Preview | THEMOVE+

Episode Date: September 3, 2025

Johan Bruyneel and Spencer Martin break down a wild day in the Basque Country on Stage 11 at the Vuelta a España, which saw Jonas Vingegaard and Tim Pidcock climb clear of the rest of the GC contenders before a protest at the finish line neutralized the stage. They discuss how the action before the race neutralization potentially reveals a great deal about the GC picture going forward, and debate whether the race will even be able to proceed as planned due to the growing presence of protest. Before they depart, they preview tomorrow's tricky stage in Cantabria, discussing how they think the race will unfold and who presents the best betting value.

Yeah, I'm, I'm tuned up. I'm excited. Like, Tom, I, we've been very critical of Tom Pickock on this podcast, probably me, me more than you over the years. I thought today, I don't want to overstate it. This might have been the ride, at least of his road career. This was to me, like obviously winning an Alptu as amazing. It's different. G.C. is different from stage, stage wins out of breakways.

This was an announcement that, like, this guy is a G.C. writer, not just physically, but mentally. everybody welcome back to the move plus i'm spencer martin i'm here with joan bernio we are breaking down stage 11 of the volta as spania and then we'll predict stage 12 there's no stage results to the list today because there was no official stage finish um authorities police the race organizers decided it was there was too many protesters at the finish line in bel bow so they made an on the road on the fly decision to take the times three kilometers from the finish line which is kind of the outskirts of Bill Bow. Jonas Vindigard, Tom Pitcock, got away on the funnel climb.

The PK is what we're calling it. We don't really know the best pronunciation, but we're doing our best there. They got clear, crest of the top, got the time bonuses. There was six on offer for the first rider over. That went to Tom Piccock. Jonas Vindigard was a second right over, so he got, I believe, four. And then the third rider over was Guilomeda, 10 seconds behind. He got two.

So Piccock and Vinegard take a small bit of time. Juala Mada moves into second overall because Torson Train was distanced again, but now it's Jonas Vindigard and first. Juala made his second 50 seconds back. Tom Pitcock, third 56 seconds back. And when Pitcock attacked on the Pekke, he did something that not many people have ever done outside of Taday Pagotcha and that is drop Yonis Vindigard. Vindigard eventually got back on and we'll never know who would have won that stage.

I probably would have guessed, I probably would guess that Tom Pickcock would have won the sprint between them, Johan, and he was pretty devastated in this post-race interview. I'm sure Q36.5 is very disappointed. I'll just say personally, I thought this, looking at the scenes, as sad as it is to cancel the end of the stage, I kind of thought they made the right decision. I think this preserves the GC competition instead of neutralizing the whole day because Vizma worked very hard all day to control the stage to set up Vinegard to win. And I assume they thought take time.

it was just a brutal pace throughout the entire stage of the Basque Country. They're just Nica Lent, Mads Pedersen's breaking away, he's getting pulled in, Mark Salar's breaking away, he's getting reeled in, Miko Landa breaks away, he gets reeled in. He gets reeled in. No one could stay away because Vismo was setting it up. Joalameda did attack on the second to last climb. Attacked twice, looked pretty strong. The final climb was not really Almeda. It was so explosive, he's not a great change of pace rider.

So I have to imagine he's probably somewhat, he's sad to lose time. but this was a bad day on paper for UAE and they lose, what is that, 14 seconds to Vindegarde, 16 seconds to Pitcock, they'll take it. But Johan, outside of the protests, or I guess maybe even including that, what was your takeaway of the day? Yeah, obviously, you know, the protest and the fact that there was no stage results was a bit of a bummer, right? I guess, I mean, it's not a surprise.

I think, you know, we could see it coming. And honestly, I'm afraid this is going to continue because today the protesters, obviously, they obtained something. They got the race to be canceled, so they're not going to stop. I think it was the right call. It became too risky at the finish line. We saw protesters pushing the barriers away. Um, so yeah, that was obviously, uh, disappointment, but, um, you know, this is the situation we, we are in. So other than that, my takeaway was that Vizma, even if, uh, if Vingerard is in the red jersey,

they were going full gas, the whole stage for the stage win. Nobody in a breakaway had a chance, not even a guy like Matt's Peterson, not even a guy like Buitrago, who looked good there for a while, Mark Soler. so yeah it was a lot of work for a for a stage win then afterwards i heard well yeah okay yonas wanted to win because it's his son's birthday i don't know if that's really you mean it's within the plan of the three-week stage race you know just buy the kid a nice present how'd you lose the vault out we're too deep on yonas's kid's birthday yeah I mean, listen, they're super strong.

You see the depth of the team of Visma is just shocking compared to the other team. There was a point where, and this was just before, I think just before they got the news that the race was going to be canceled, there was a select group. And Almeida was by himself. There was no other UAEG writer, and Vizma had four riders there. You know, they're super strong. Campanards, to me, was impressive again. Today, Ben Tullet was really impressive, super strong, right, from him in a support role.

So that must give a good feeling to Jonas to be, you know, to have that super strong support. Anytime there's a selection and everybody is isolated, he has two or three guys around him still. But still, I found it was a lot of work, a big effort for a potential stage win. Also, not a stage where you could say, well, you know, we're not going to gain a lot. If we gain time, it's not going to be a lot of time. So it was purely about the stage win. So anyways, for the moment, they're in great position. You know, we can't really criticize what they're doing because everything they do works out fine.

And, you know, we've been critical about Visma, Lisa Bike. But if you look at their season and if everything goes to plan as we expect, they're most likely going to win this VELTA. So that would mean that they win two of the three grand tours. And the other one, they were second, not bad. Yeah, I mean, and then event of the day for me about the race is the strength of Tom Pitcock. Tombitcock every day more and more. And today, as you said, he felt great on that last climb, accelerated and was able to drop Jonas Wingergaard twice in one kilometer, which is true.

It hasn't happened a lot. Bogacha has done it. Not many other riders have done it. Maybe called you a few years ago in Paris, Nice, but that was not prime Jonas Winkgo. Yeah. So that must give Pitcock and his team incredible morale boost. And as we said, you know, I said yesterday, it starts to look really, really realistic for Pitcock to be on the podium. After today, I can only confirm that. Yeah, I'm, I'm tuned up. I'm excited. Like, we've been very critical of Tom Piccock on this podcast, probably me, me more than you over

the years. I thought today, I don't want to overstate it. This might have been the ride, at least of his road career. This was to me, like obviously winning an Alptu as amazing. It's different. G.C. is different from stage wins out of breakways. This was an announcement that like this guy is a GC rider, not just physically, but mentally. Like there's not many riders that have done this. Also on Visma, I mean, not to be too critical of them, but if I just walked to you on the street and I was like, okay, Johan, we worked all day really hard. burn the team and we lost time to a G.C. rider within a minute of us. Would you say that's a good day or a bad day?

You'd probably say it doesn't sound amazing. Well, they didn't. I mean, they obviously didn't expect Pitcock to drop Jonas. That was not within their calculations. But, nah, it's still a good day. I think they keep seeing Almeida as their main competitor for now. We've said it already. There's still a few stages where it's uncharted terrain for,

Tom Pitcock, long, steep climbs in the third week. That's different. But, but hey, yeah, I think it was an okay day for Visma. They would probably have, I mean, they were disappointed because they were going for the stage win and they put so much work in it, but they did take time on who they believe is their main rival. So that's a bonus. Yeah, yes.

to be determined if that's a mistake because, I mean, I made it look pretty good today when he attacked. They did take time on him, but Pitcock, you kind of wonder what he weighs. Is this guy weighing like 56 kilos right now? And he said he's putting out career best power numbers at this race. So I think it's safe to say Jonas Vindigard is not putting out career best power numbers. I mean, he's good, obviously. He's very good. He's one of the best riders of the last decade, stage.

racers of the last decade like he does not look on his best to me and I still keep coming back to this decision to jump into the breakaway yesterday like that is kind of odd from a guy that has the gc under control in some respects I think that breakaway I think jumping in that breakaway yesterday I think that was kind of more it happened I don't think it was on purpose you know it sometimes it just happened you know there's people everywhere you follow wheels and all of a sudden And you're ahead with, you know, another team. What happens when you follow Victor Campan Arts. You're reaching up to a breakaway.

You didn't know you were wanted to be in. But I thought today, the protests will dominate the conversation. This might be the only public conversation had about the actual racing. But I thought it was pretty interesting. Like, this is not as open and shut maybe as we thought on Sunday. What do you mean? just after Sunday I was a little like oh boy I think Yonis is going to steamroll these guys yeah there's a reason I mean today he showed some vulnerability so that's good that's good for

you know the speculation um I mean I still think I still think it's it's his race you know he's the he's the stage racer by excellence in this in this field at least so and and with such a strong team um yeah I mean you know we we've said it already several times you know what is what is you doing actually you know like today again so they are going in that breakaway why i mean by then by then everybody knew already that visma was going for the stage when when when solera attacked so what's the purpose is the purpose to make it hard on visma and and then almeda attack i i i don't think i mean on this climate especially on this last climb, I can't see

Al-Meda dropping Jonas. You know, it's not an Al-Meda climb. Plus, when Jonas was still with three or four guys, Zhao was by himself, there was nobody to prepare his lounge. Yep. Yeah. Yeah.

His attack. I don't think it would have made a difference anyway, but still, it doesn't look great, you know. It doesn't look great. Well, and then yesterday, yeah, I don't understand the Salare move. That was baffling. But yesterday, when Iuso's setting, I used to, who is in Narnia today, off the back.

And you might have been in a cafe. We don't know. But when he was setting the pace yesterday, he was dropping Mark Sallaire. And you're just like, should Mark Sallaire really be getting dropped on that pace? And then today he comes back and he's strong enough to be up the road. And it's like, what is going on? It just feels a little scatter shot. There's not, they're not all, as I say in the U.S.

If you're 80 years old, they're not singing from the same hymshe. Yeah. I mean, the only thing I can think about is that Soler, they want to, you know, they, they have, they, they make him keep going to stay close in GC. So when he goes in a break, Visma doesn't get a day off. Yeah. You know, that's maybe one of the thoughts. If you're three, four minutes down, you know, Visma can't just cruise all day. But it looks like they're not really wanting to cruise anyway. So yeah. that's what i don't understand we should also call out i mean what we what we learn from the stage you know vinaigard's pretty good pittcock's pretty good almeda jorgensen someone that's joined that group jai henley because uh one two three four riders finished 10 seconds behind vinaard and pittcock and that's jai hendley and philks call um matteo jorgensen jow almeda and haley is looking pretty good right now yeah and you know he's he's he's known to, I mean, the

two times when he was seconded to the Gero and when he won the Gero, he was at his best in the last week. Yeah. So, you know, this is a rider who grows during a grand tour. So, yeah, we need to take him to account for sure. He looked good today. I mean, the only

downside is he is two minutes and 30 seconds down on Yonis Findergarde. It showed you a lot of times people overlook it, but these first, let's say, 10 days of a grand tour there's just a certain type of rider that like didn't like do you remember jai henley blowing up at any point no it's like he just bleeds bits of time through the first week and you look up and you're like oh two and a half minutes to yonis that's not a great deficit yeah well i don't think i don't think spencer we should i mean unless something unexpected happens

but at this point i don't think it's realistic to say that j hindley will will be candid to win this world that he could be podium probably on the podium but but compared to at least compared to jonas and to uh to almeida he will also lose time in the time trial uh so you know he needs to um he needs to be really solid as well was that probably to pitcock as well in the time trial i don't know i don't know it's a pretty good time trials when he i mean well i'm trying to give jai hindley's best time trial now probably when he won the zero yeah he did he did okay when he won the zero i mean not they didn't do but i mean it didn't really matter that much the time trial because he had a decent

advantage but uh but yeah um i mean pittcock's not i mean pitcock was a good time trial list when he was young but he's he hasn't been doing great time trials lately you know um yeah this now that i'm now i'm now suspicious of all the pittcock samples because i thought there's no way this guy's a GC writer and then it's like well he's was he just not focused well I mean listen first of all the the main the main ingredient is there he's on great form I mean then you can do everything and especially a time trial in the last week of the grand tour that's pure based on condition that's not so much based on you know time trial qualities yeah when you're when you're when you're as light as you've ever been and as strong as you've ever been that's usually a

good ingredient is I felt bad for him I mean he definitely him and his team definitely got robbed of a of wind but they asked him like he wrote through the finish line and he's like oh that's just like a tom pitcock thing to do that's kind of an interesting oh he wrote through the finish line yeah oh i didn't know that like i guess just to make a point but it was like a funny bit of self awareness from him like i don't quite see many writers being like oh that's just like a tom pitcock thing to do i don't quite know why i did that um but i felt quite bad for him um i mean we don't want to talk i don't think it's going to be helpful if we weighed into the protests from an angle of like are they correct are they not it's just our views on that are not helpful to anybody but

we should say i don't know if you saw this earlier in the stage two protesters like unfurled a banner across the road and the riders had to write through it on one of the clairs yeah going slow enough it wasn't really an issue and then obviously the finish line it's it's always an issue i mean it's It's, you know, it's just dangerous, you know, it shows you the vulnerability of the cyclists and, you know, and how accessible professional cycling is, right? I mean, you cannot imagine this in any other sport, you know, and it's, it's in a stadium, it's with fences. This is on the road, you know, people can touch the riders. And that's obviously why they're there. But yeah, I mean, listen, it's not going to make any difference to the big problem. I mean, you know, the people at the cause of the problem are not even aware that this is happening, you know, in a bike race in Spain. So it makes, it makes no sense. But yeah, I mean, I've just read some, some comments and quotes of people, you know, like even even, even the director of the Vuelta, Javier Guillen, said, obviously, you know, he's faced with this. every single day at the start during the stage, then, you know, probably super, super nervous until the end of the stage to see if something's going to happen. And he says, and I quote, we all have to find the solution.

And for me, there's only one right. One one. There's only one right now for the Israeli team itself to realize that being here doesn't make it any safer for everyone else. But we can't make that decision. They have to make it. And then I just saw another quote of Team Israel, Premier Tech, that said that they expect fully to race until Madrid and that they are not expecting to leave the Vuelta. I personally think, Spencer, even if Tim Israel would leave the Vuelta, I don't think it changes much. I totally agree.

I think it's a MacGuffin. Like, it's not, that's not what people are protesting, I believe. I don't think I heard, I saw a spokesperson for the protesters say, if they leave the race, we will leave you alone. I don't think so at all. And I understand, I mean, I think it's just the director saying that is going to mean that the riders, the other writers now will pressure Israel Premier Tech to leave. I does not sit. I will say like yesterday, there was a, I don't know if you saw there was a protester in the middle of like a 40-mile-hour peloton. and you think like this is not tenable and then someone crashed because of it so like eventually like

it's going to affect the gc if they're unfurling banners on on the steepest climbs and the riders can't get through like we might just not be able to have a gc race here or a race of any kind i understand the temptation just to say hey guys can you go home is because it's not that it doesn't look that safe you know like if someone ran up to a rider and wanted to harm them like what would stop them from doing so but i don't think it would help i think the issue as you say the issue is bigger than this and i think if you even if you kicked out as your permeate check i think you would still have protesters um along yeah i mean because they found now and especially now they have found a platform which is accessible for them which basically

nobody can do anything against them and they are hurt and seen and it works with or without the team in the race it won't stop i don't think so yeah yeah and i i just have to imagine they're protesting what is going on in Gaza, not what is going on, not just the existence of the Israel Premier Tech team. I could be wrong. Maybe they wake up every day and they just want Israel Premier Tech to leave the race. I don't think that's the case. But what do they do from here? Because, I mean, so Bill Bow is a city with people in it. So that was part of the issue. They're going to more remote areas. But are the organizers just like, I hope stage 12 works out. Like, what's the, is there any plan?

Well, obviously, they're going to have to increase the, the police, uh, assistance and, and obviously monitor every single area of risk, um, and, and try to, I mean, the, the protesters are going to follow the race. You know, they're not, so they're going to be there. Um, so they'll have to reinforce the protection. Um, and just, and just hope nothing happens. But, you know, I mean, on climbs and stuff, it's so. remote is so accessible it also means that it's more identifiable you know you can you can you can pick them out easier than in a big crowd uh when it's on when it's on times um so you know the crowds are not that big in in the valeta um so today i guess you know with in a big city

it was easier for the protesters to kind of appear um without making too much noise yeah i guess it fits in your life easier like i'm just trying to get if i was a protester of like yeah i'll show up and bill bow and block the finish it's like you want to go to contabria i'm like i'm kind of busy i've got to work but man also if i was a protester i'd be i'd be like so energized by today like we stopped the race we can do it tomorrow we can do it yeah that's what i worry that they got what they wanted you know they got heard and seen and something came up from their protest so um yeah hopefully hopefully uh the race can can go on i don't know what the solution is and there's all types of implications to like you know let's say you

kicked them out and then matthew ricottello does it win the white jersey at least if that was a u.s sport you'd get sued because you've manipulated the betting market because people placed money on him and books took the risk thinking that they would be allowed not that they would be kicked out of the race for something that's not going to do. I can tell you one thing, Spencer, that the UCI is definitely not going to take action because they know for sure that if they, I mean, they could, I think they could potentially take acumen.

I think they have the power to do that. I'm not sure. if you would look for example while they they did uh i mean it's different it's a different thing of course but they they did ban all the russian cyclists and then force them to take a license as a neutral athlete i mean yeah so i would say theoretically they could but they won't because they know they're getting sued for sure if that happens it's kind of a funny parallel i mean it's a little different because gas prom is a russian state It's a state-owned Russian company.

And there was international sanctions against them. So I guess they had legal grounds to stand on. But, yeah, I mean, I'm just going to tell people, I personally know Sylvan Adams. Think what you, you can all have your opinions of them. I tell you, he's not leaving the race. There's no way. And if they're going to back down, he's going to sue the UCI. Yeah.

You would be a fight that you would not want to get into. He's not going to leave. And then this is, unfortunately, probably going to continue to be an issue. There's not really anything we can, I don't know, we can't anticipate it. So it's uninteresting to talk about from a sporting perspective, I guess. But I'm quite concerned. Anything else on the stage, Johan, before we go on? I mean, the only thing that I can also point out is where, you know, Pederson, man, Matt

Patterson, he went in that break. I mean, he went by himself. and actually his only motivation was to get that 20-point sprint. Yeah. Today actually turned out okay for him for the Green jersey because he got 15 points. There was two riders away and Jonas wasn't able to get points at the finish. Because Jonas remains and is more than ever now, his biggest opponent for Green. He's not that far behind.

You're right. And Jonas would have gotten obviously first or six. second. And Yonis is very close. He's 30 points behind. He actually might have been tied with him had he gotten beat by Pitcock. If he would have won the stage, I think he would have been in the lead. No, because Pedersen took 15 points on the road already. So he increased his lead. Maybe I'm not seen an updated. I see Pedersen 135 points. Vindigard at 105 after today. Yeah. So. But if Yonis would have won that. the stage and he got 50 points he'd be at 15 was it was it 50 was it 50 today let's look at stage 10

how many what did the winner get the winner got 20 points so probably was a 20 pointer yeah so wouldn't be in the lead but he'd be it'd be sweating it'd be breathing down his neck interesting i mean talk about talk about disappointing i mean who do you think would have won had they gone to the line good talk i think so too i mean that was it would kind of was interesting to me that Vindigard was really pushing that descent, like to the point where he was distancing Pitcock, probably the best dissender and the professional Peloton, which shows you how much he wants to take time on Juala Meda. Yeah.

No, it was a good opportunity. Yeah. Well, let's take a quick break and then we'll preview tomorrow's stage 12. So we're back, Johann, stage 12. It's 145, another short stage, 145 kilometers, two climbs kind of like on a opposite ends. There's a cat two, 40, that tops out 40KN, and then there's a cat one with bonus seconds on top that tops out with a hundred, 122 into the race, so about 24 kilometers left to go. There's a sprint point before that cat one. I'm sure we'll see Mads Pedersen up there

in a breakaway, driving the breakaway, trying to get those points. I'll list off the favorites. The odds are like moving. They're moving all over the place. They're different on different books. So just take this with a grain of salt and also check out next bets. And it's nxtebats.com slash bet outcomes and you'll get to see the best price wherever you live today is an important day to do that because there's quite a big difference. Wana Yuso is the favorite at plus 650, Tom Pickcock plus 650 as well, Jonas Vinegard plus 1,000, J Vine plus 1100, Mark Soler plus 1100, Pablo Castrillo plus 1100. He's moved a lot.

Javier Romo plus 2,000, Santiago Petrago, plus. 2,000. Mads Pedersen plus 2,200, Finn Fisher Black plus 4,000. There's many more. We'll call them out if we need to. But who, how do you think this is going to play out, Johan, breakaway or do you see and who do you think is going to win? I think breakaway. I think breakaway, it's difficult to control. Although, you know, today was difficult to control. So in Fismah was really great at controlling it. But I think breakaway and I mean, it all depends, of course, if they get the freedom to go in the break or not, but a guy who, whether he gets the freedom or not to go in the break will probably try anyways, is Juanayuso. So I'm going to, I'm going to pick him

to win the stage. He is what, I have him at plus 500 on Unibet. Is that still the same over there? at plus 500 yeah are you so actually it's moved to plus 650 okay okay better price okay even even more reason to to this plus 700 on fanduel in the u.s yeah yeah so i think especially because you know that last climb is really hard um the cat one climb it's uh let's see it's seven kilometers long and um it's just the first kilometer that's relatively easy and then it's 9%, 9%, 10%, 8%. So it's a hard climb. And I think a guy, like I used to, if he's in the breakaway,

it can drop everybody. Yeah, that makes sense. It's an awkward stage to control too. And you would be doing, if you're a GC team, you're doing it. And then what? Your GC guy attacks, crest the climb, 24K from the finish line. Yeah, it just does not. seem like that would be worth it.

I think breakaway as well. And this guy is, these prices are all over the place. But at least on Fanduil in the U.S., J. Vine is plus 1,700. I actually got him at plus 1,800 right before we recorded this. I think I'm not going to overcomplicate this. Jay Vine's very good.

He's probably going to be up in the break with Wana Uso. I personally think he's stronger than Wana Uso right now, unless Wana Uso is amazing at bluffing. I think Vine, I mean, Vine is just so strong. He is GC contender sustained power. But it's difficult to imagine they're both in the break. It's either one on the other.

With Solair, they'll all be up there. You cannot apply logic to anything this team will do. Just even, I mean, frankly, you could bet on both of them at these prices. The fact that I use so so ahead of Vine, I guess, would suggest that most people like you think one of them will be up there and that I use so will be given the freedom to do so but Vine I mean he wants KOM points like he doesn't have this thing wrapped up so I'm not convinced that he's going to be in the Peloton I'm gonna I'm gonna bet on him at plus 1800 yeah yeah good one my wild card for tomorrow is Pablo Castrillo I think he looked

good the other day when Vine won the stage when he went his first he went his first stage right or was it the second stage it was the second stage second stage yeah yeah yeah um but no he's been quiet uh since and um i think um yeah he's he's in good shape so pastrillo especially like an attack on that climb and then you know making it on those last 24 kilometers to the finish that's something for him um yeah because the only guy's stronger than him was j vine yeah If J. Vine's not up there, then, yeah, he absolutely could win. This is got, this is like we're in Movis Star territory. If they're going to get something out of this, they've got to win one of these stages from

a breakaway. So I like that pick. This guy won two stages last year, DeValta as well. So he's good at it. I'm going to go, I don't think we mentioned them, but there was a rider from Red Bull, absolutely crushing it today, looking fantastic. On Unibat, he's a plus 4,000, Finn Fisher Black, from Red Bull. if I'm correct, I feel like he switches teams

every offseason, but I'm going to go Finn Fisher Black from the breakaway. It depends if they give him the freedom or not. He's only been on UAE and now he's on Red Bull. That's it, I think. Has he been? Where else has he been? No, I think maybe it's just UA in Red Bull.

He's also not very old. He's like 23 years old or something. 23 and he's been on two. No, he's been on Visma, UAE Red Bull. Oh, what's the Super Team? Okay. Yeah. This guy is addicted to go into the best teams in the sport.

It's a huge talent, we should say. Yeah, for sure. Very good writer. Yeah, that's a good pick. That's a good pick. I mean, I agree with you, Spencer. Today, he looked amazing. He got dropped and then he came back.

He did some great work there where when everybody was more or less on the limit. So that's an indication that if he gets in a, first of all, that he has the legs to win a breakaway. and that from that breakaway he can actually win it if there's a climb at the end so uh good pick i like it like i mean it's kind of like everyone we've met all four of these guys like big big engines so you're going to hold people off and you know yeah you don't have finished on the mountain top you got to hold people off on the run of the line anything else joan before we take off let's hope we have a regular stage tomorrow spencer i know yeah that would be that would be a bummer if we have to deal with this for the rest of the Vuelta, that's, that sucks.

And we should remember the people really losing out because of this are us, because we bet on, you know, Swindigard and Tom Pitcock to win today. We had both of them, yeah. I know. I was like, that's unbelievable. We got to sue. Yeah, it is kind of disappointing. I just, I hope that, I mean, do you know anything about this, this finished town?

Like, is it sparsely populated? What is it? Los Corloss, Corlis, no. I would assume it's sparsely populated, which at this, it's kind of a sad state of affairs that we're just hoping towns are small enough and hard to reach, that people won't show up to protest the finish. Spencer, listen, I personally think that this group of protesters, they're following the Vuelta. It's the same people all the time.

You have to at this point. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. A big win. You can't let off now. I don't listen to it. I don't want to be encouraging. I'm just saying how I would be thinking. Yeah. Yeah. I'm afraid this is not the last we've seen. I want to say. I'm afraid as well. And I don't think the fault that statement does not let me think they have a great plan other than hoping someone leaves the race. Well, thanks, Johan. And we will be back to break down whatever happens tomorrow on state show. Okay. Thanks, Spencer. Speak soon. All right. Bye. I'm going to be able to be.