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Episode Date: July 22, 2026

Johan Bruyneel and Spencer Martin discuss Jasper Philipsen's incredible stage win on an extremely tough stage and how it complicates Mads Pedersen's path to the Green Jersey. They also wonder if Adam Yates' illness exposes some of UAE's strategic flaws at this race and if the team has attempted to do too much instead of simply focusing on Yellow. They then preview Stage 18 and give their picks for the stage win. Become a WEDŪ Member Today to Unlock VIP Access & Benefits: https://access.wedu.team Decagon: Ready to transform your customer support? Go to https://decagon.ai/THEMOVE to get a personalized demo and see what Decagon can do for your team. Tifosi Optics: Use promo code THEMOVE at https://tifosioptics.com/discount/THEMOVE Lagoon: Use code MOVE for 15% off at https://LagoonSleep.com/THEMOVE Nextbets: Use our special link to see where you can bet in your area and claim the best sign-up offers https://nxtbets.com/betoutcomes/ Ventum: Use code TheMove10 for 10% off anything at: https://ventumracing.com/

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So we're pretty good. We're pretty happy. More riders than any other country in this race. Everybody, welcome back to the Move Plus. I'm Spencer Martin. I'm here with Johann Bernier. We're breaking down stage 17 of the Tour de France, one by Jasper Philipson over Maro Schmidt and Olaf Koi

in an extremely reduced sprint at the end of an extremely hard day, 175 kilometers of pretty much all out racing, 47 kilometers an hour. Just really impressive win from Phillips. It did not think he had this range. He really surprised us. We'll also preview stage 18. But Johan, right up top, what was your takeaway from the stage?

I assume you're impressed with your countrymen. Yeah, take away. I mean, it was, I mean, the stage as a whole, Spencer, was just super exciting. You know, we, I thought there was going to be a breakaway in those first 50K, little breaks went and came back. And, you know, we really didn't know what was going to happen until the very end, whether breakaway was going to stay away. You know, people came back from, it was, it was super, super chaotic. And, you know, the fact that after such. a hard stage. Philipson could win this stage, being a sprinter, a pure sprinter, actually,

being in those moves, having to bridge up at some point also. I'm going to say Jasper Philipson, hats off to him, especially for hanging in there, you know, after having a difficult start of the Tour de France, super frustrated. And, well, I guess it's the first time he has to wait for such a long time, you know, stage 17 to win a stage. But, but man, he, he, he, he, he, he stayed in there, kept fighting and is now also back in real contention for the green jersey. We're going to talk about that in a little bit. I think shout out in total, I would say in total to Alpersin, Alpercin, the Keerning for, first of all, for keeping believing in Phillipson and keeping supporting him when he has disappointed in the first few stages. And then

especially big shout out to Mathieu van der Pooh. for keep standing next to his friend. They're really good friends. I think it was really nice to see and telling how happy Mathieu was for Yaspur after this stage. Because today, let's face it, Mathieu von der Poul could have won this stage

if he races for himself. And so I think that's actually, you know, great, great tribute to the team, the way this team works. You know, they must have been really disappointed at the beginning when the sprint, the bunch springs didn't work out. But Philipson shows what kind of big engine he is, what kind of high pedigree rider he is. He's the typical to the France sprinter. And although it didn't work out for him in the first part of the tour, today with a great lead

out from Mathieu, but the other sprinters were nowhere. Olaf Coy was in an ideal position and he did not even come close to winning. So great, great victory for, for Philipson and for Alpacin. Yeah, I mean, you can't say enough nice things about it. It was so impressive from a team. Tell me if I'm wrong here. So I think the strategy was Vanderpull from the breakaway. The race starts incredibly hard.

But what we're seeing, the races start so hard that, you know, they're so strong out that the breakway never really forms. Vanderpull was up there pushing, like I was surprised actually how much he was giving to force his breakaway away. It doesn't get away. And then they audible at some point to like, okay, we're all in for Vanderpull. And then they switch somewhere along the way to then be backing Phillipson and everything just kind of fell into place for them. And obviously they worked hard. They put riders up in the move. They had people with Pedersen.

But, you know, and even they see the intermediate sprint. But Philipson does a really good job of salvaging that. He finishes six or seven. He was fifth in the intermediate sprint. Oh, fifth. Okay. Because there was four riders up there with Pedersen. That worked out perfectly.

And then he has this peloton, this little peloton to reel the breakaway in. Yeah. And then he wins the sprint. And Pedersen gets eighth on the day, which is a bit of a disaster. Yeah. I mean, I think, I think the, you know, the anti-climax for Little Track and for Matt's Peterson is that Patterson did. a hell of a race.

Like he was so strong. You know, went in breakaways in the beginning. Then, you know, finally there was a move going with Vondra Poole and other guys and he was not in there. He bridges up by himself. And then afterwards this, but,

you know, he, and then he gets away with six riders, gets that intermediate sprint. Everything looked like perfect. And finally, I think the race in which he was, the stage in which he was probably one of the strongest

of the day and maybe his strongest performance of this, of this tour is actually the stage where he loses. I mean, he doesn't lose, but his green jersey gets in danger. Because Philipson, you know, was, did a great, great stage, but, you know, he calculated everything perfectly and it worked out fine for him, right? Yeah. So, so, so, yeah, it's a bit of a double, a double sort. I think Pedersen did an amazing race today.

He's so strong. But, yeah, unfortunately, you know, he had nothing. left in the final. And then, so, you know, if normally on a stage like today, after such a hard race, even if there would be sprinters up there, I think Patterson could have been third or fourth. He could have been third today normally in such a difficult hard race. But he spent a lot, man. He spent a lot today. Should he have raced more conservatively? Like, did he even need to bridge the breakaway? Should he just stayed with Philipson? I think he saw an opportunity. I mean, obviously he went on a moment that everybody was cooked.

I mean, these guys feel that, okay, everybody's done. I'm suffering, but I'm going to give it one more try. I think he saw an opportunity there to get in there in that break. And Gidemi was already behind, and Philipson looked like he was suffering. So I don't think he counted with the fact that Philipson would get in a little group and actually make it back before the sprint and had the opportunity to do the intermediate sprint and the final sprint. So I think what he did was, I mean, he did what he, what he had to do.

He tried, you know. But today he came with, yeah. First of all, Alpacin had four riders in there also, which was, which was impressive. Little track where they have three, you know, they have three guys. I think, yeah, I think. Yeah, three guys. I think he has Quinn Simmons, Pedersen and Derek G. Or was it, Queens?

And hold on a second. Derek G. Maybe I missed Derek G being in there. No, you're right. It was Derek G. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. And huge for Team G.C. Right? Yeah. I mean. Yeah, that looked like yesterday. You know, there you see, Spencer, you know, if we're talking about Team GC automatically, I think we have to talk about UAE.

and well first of all little track they had three riders in the break and UAE had one rider in the break or normally they would have nobody right so it shows that they had made it an objective but stuff like that can backfire man you know it seems already you know in week one you know we saw them race and keeping the break close and then we saw these interviews of tim wellens and florian Vermeers that they would like to be to have the team Team G.C. I think they cannot make that an objective. You know, Team GC, especially if you're there to win the Tour de France, it needs to be something that comes to you. It doesn't need to be a priority. And so today we saw Team UAE, which to me looked actually quite fragile. You know, they have Adam Yeats who apparently yesterday got sick. They already knew this morning that he would suffer. He looked really bad today, finished the stage.

But they also, at the beginning of the stage, when there was a lot of splits, they did have Florian Vermeers and Tim Wellens in the third or the fourth group. And that should normally never happen. You know, these are two really strong riders. They should be in group two or three, you know. And then when ultimately it comes back, well, they're there. And they were there. but to me,

UAE today, I felt it a bit fragile, which, you know, I don't know if it's going to have an impact, but they have to let go of Team GC. I mean, it makes no sense. And anyway, after today, I think Little Trek is again 18 minutes up. So, you know, normally that should be okay for Little Trek. And they have, you know, they have two climbers that will be there. And then the third guy, I mean, they have Quinn Simmons who basically can do everything.

So, I mean, I don't think they're going to lose 18 minutes in these three stages in Team GCC towards UAE. And UAE may actually have to say, you know what? We don't, you know, yesterday, no, or the stage at Remco won on Plateau de Solisant, their third guy was Adam Yates for Team GEC that day. So I doubt that Adam Yates is going to recover. I would not be surprised if tomorrow it's an abandon or even a DNS. I don't know. They did not start.

And I thought they looked pretty ragged back on stage 15. I mean, Tim Wellens was at the back at the start of the race. They had fewer riders in Visma at a certain point. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know why that they should not be chasing Team G.C. right now. It doesn't really, I mean, to control the race, it doesn't really matter that much anymore. Because, you know, first of all, yesterday we said that they could probably win this on his own.

Okay, that's still to be seen. But still, there's a lot of other interests going on. So you can use those to your advantage. But yeah, you know, the tour is three weeks long, man. A lot of stuff can happen, you know. Like in week one, everybody feels great. And I still remember that quote from Tim Wellens when, you know, he kept that breakaway close. And then finally they let it go.

go. But, you know, he said, you know, I'm just going to ride my, I have great legs. I'm just going to ride my own pace. And he kept the break at like a minute, two minutes. That's not necessary, you know, even if you have great legs, save them for when you need them, you know. Yes. And this route, it's like dividing a number by zero, sorry, by two and hoping to get to zero. It's like, okay, we're going into stage 18, but we have a long way to go. Like, these stages are so hard. Yeah. To get to Paris. And you're like, man, to have your team falling apart now is not great. I was talking with the Wiggins boys this morning, kind of an interesting, you know, because Bradley's not so, he's like, well, four and a half minute lead over Remco. It sounds like a lot,

but it could have been more. You do wonder if they've just been too cute with this whole thing. Like, you know, oh, not dropping del Toro. Like, okay, what exactly is the end game here? Like, do you want to have a safe buffer? Like, what if Bagotcha has an issue? And he loses five minutes. And you're like, well, we could have had five and a half or six minutes on Remco. but we had four and a half because we got cute. Obviously, it will probably be fine, but it does make you wonder a little bit if they should just focus on winning the tour

and get through the tour as easy as possible. I think that should always be the main priority. If you're there with a leader, you are there to win the tour. And nothing else matters. And whenever you can take time without spending too much, you have to do it.

you know like pogacha he was twice in a situation where he could have another minute on on both of those stages without too much of an effort yes uh but anyways it's i don't think it's going to matter at the end um and let's hope that nothing happens to him right let's hope that nothing unfortunate happens to him um but yeah uh i can understand that you know they they want to try del toro to have it the podium. After today, I'm, okay, I don't, I don't exactly know what happened, but that's why I'm a little bit, you know, worried about UAE, although, you know, everything can, you know, be so different than one day. Like yesterday, they'll totally did a great time trial, so we would assume that his condition is still very good and that he is not sick. But today, there was a moment where it was

split and there was a big group and del Toro was not there and at some point he was 40 seconds behind now at this point in the race in the tour de France somebody who has the condition of the podium no matter what happens Spencer no matter what happens if you are called out and you don't pay attention in the last week these guys do have the legs to look and say okay I'm going and you you go and you catch that group while it's breaking up. Well, we saw Pagacra do that exact thing you're talking about a couple days ago. Yeah. You missed a split and it just closed it.

So Del Toro today, I don't know exactly what, you know, I've seen some, you know, hypothesis, right? We don't know. You know, is there some illness in the team? Could be, you know, I mean. Then you would have wanted to take the biggest lead you possibly could have by stage 17. Yeah, well, I don't think, I don't think that's the case.

I saw Pugacar after the stage. His interview, he looked very good. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. But I'm not a fan of, you know, not going when you really can take advantage. Because it's a mathematical exercise. You know, you need to have an advantage for whenever something happens.

And, well, I mean, I think normally, you know, if things go to play, tomorrow maybe not, but stage 19 is the up to the West, the typical. I think Pogacha will want to win this. No, I think he will want to win on that climb. I've heard also some, I mean, it's not confirmed, but that he actually would like to have beat the record of Pantani, which is considered, you know, like untouchable almost. Unbreakable, yeah.

I think he can break it. I think he can break it. Well, okay. I agree. I think I can break it. It'd be nice to have a team to lead you out. And then you start, and I love Isaac Dutoro.

This is not a criticism of him. I think he's a great writer. He's one of my favorites. But what is the function of, so he's in third, he's not going to pull probably because he doesn't want to get, he doesn't want to get in the way of his own third place.

You just start to wonder, like, what exactly has he done to earn these stage win gifts? and Pagaccio are pulling for him. Well, you know, he's definitely huge talent. He has won already some nice races. You know, he came to the

tour as, you know, the second card to play. And obviously, they want to keep him happy, Spencer. That's something that you need to have in mind. No matter what these contracts say, you know, he's on the, he is being chased by teams. I can guarantee you that. Even if he

has a contract in 2030, whatever, he is being chased. And remember they bent over backwards for Euso and at some point maybe just keep Taday Pagacar happy. He seems like he's pretty good, right? That's a guy I would want to keep. Would you not? Yeah. I just feel like they're always obsessed with the future on that team.

It's like, you know, it's good future. Daddy Pagacarar, he's probably got a couple good years left. Yeah. I don't know. And you look at the, I think, I think there's a, you know, there's a very good. atmosphere, there's a very good relationship between Pogacar and Del Toro. And we can give our opinion from the outside, say, oh, you know what?

Come on, man. You know, just go full gas and don't look back. And you know, but what do we know, right? I mean, they get along really well. I've heard, I've heard or I've read a comment from one of the teammates that actually, if Pagacar sees that Del Toro is struggling, that he's not going to go full gas. Yeah, I mean, that's, it's very sweet. That's so sweet.

Well, you know what? I was, I was seeing break the record on Al-Douez. It's very, I mean, think of me. I don't think that really, I don't think that really matters that much. I mean, if Del Toro, if El Toro wants to be on the podium, he just has to follow Paul Seixas. That's it. I know. I know.

That's why I don't understand. Yeah. You know? Yes. And, and I don't, whenever Pulacha goes, Remco won't follow, Sexas won't follow, and nobody can follow. So just stay with the second and the fourth guy. You know, and you have to have the legs because if, if, if, I think this could backfire, actually. If these guys see that Pogacar starts to do again when he did on Plateau de Solisone.

Those start attacking. Exactly. You know, because Remko, Ramco already knew with 3K, 3, 4K to go that del Toro was having trouble. And he probably didn't have the confidence to attack. Let me guess, let me tell you, if Ramco has. has the same legs and he keeps being the way, feeling the way he feels, and he sees that Del Toro, that Pogacar doesn't go full because he's trying to preserve Del Toro, he's going to go. You know, he's going to, he's going to, I mean, not attack, but he's going to try to go faster and drop del Toro.

Yes. So Pagaccha has inadvertently turned a situation where everyone's so terrified of him, they would never dare attack, which helps Del Toro, and he's flipped it. So now they think he won't attack, so they may attack, which hurts Del Toro. It's pretty interesting to think about that, actually. Well, yeah, but maybe. That's us talking theory here, Spencer. At the end, you know, in the last five days of the tour, it's the legs to do the talking.

It's whatever you have left, you know, we're going to see. And maybe he rips up up to us and wins, right? I guess we don't know. I think, and the lead out is going to be done by by Red Bull and Decathlon. They're going to do. Oh, yeah. It's going to be a beautiful Red Ball lead out. That is a very good point that even with the sickness to Adam Yates,

I think he probably does not finish tomorrow's stage that it doesn't matter because Red Bull and DeKathlon are going to be doing amazing work for Taday in this third week. Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah, let's see what happens. It's just, I don't know why. I just had to be in my bonnet this morning about it. Like, why are we bending over backwards for like at this point?

he's you know he's attempted to gift him two stages like that's a lot Johan have you ever known a leader to do that to someone on their team while they're actively one stage one stage i can understand two it's already two is a lot yeah and a podium yeah well i mean you know i mean if you look i mean it's not the same situation but uh matjvon de pool has tried to give four stages to jasper phillips true three how about Any of those could be. Three leadouts. And,

well, I mean, today he could have one. The other stages he couldn't have one. That's true. Yeah. So this was the only one that he could have won. Yeah.

The one I start to wonder about and what we should talk about before we got a break is Paris. Because now Phillipsons seven points back on Pedersen. This is serious. Like we are now in serious territory. And then I think in Paris, like I'm sure Vanderpult wants to target that stage. But are they going to have to go for Philipson and Paris now? I don't know. It depends, you know, it's going to depend on the hospital also, you know, what he can do.

But then, you mean for the intermediate sprint? Well, even for the final sprint? Well, the final sprint. Manipo is going to have to not attack. A lot is going to, a lot is going to depend there what the GC riders will do. Because if you look, answer the four guys, Tadei, Remko. del toro and sexas they can actually all do a lot of damage on this course they're explosive and so i personally think that the sprinters will have a hard time to you know contest this the victory

and we're not there yet anyways we need to talk we need to talk about um jasper phillipson and you know his his 11th stage win in the tour de france 11 stage win uh 11 stage win uh all also fifth tour de france in a row that he wins at least one stage there's not many writers who could say that it would be taday he's the only other rider right uh currently yeah i mean god i can't even know i mean lance yeah not not frum i mean there's not you're right there's not many riders that have ever done that um did you always second amongst current writers of tour wins tour stage wins only only poggatja has more wins no yeah then van arda's 10 so right behind him okay and van art more than you'd think actually because then there's no one even really

close to those guys van art won 10 stages in the tour already yeah pretty good rider yeah you forget yeah yeah also primos roguitch 15 wealth of stage wins holy smokes save some for the rest of us yeah yeah and also also uh spencer sixth stage win for belgium in this tour of Yes. Three for Merlir, two for Remko, now one for Yasper Philipson. And third win for Belgium in a row. The last three stages have been won by a Belgian rider. So we're pretty good.

We're pretty happy. More riders than any other country in this race. Yeah. Only just above France. But here's the difference. Belgium, six wins this tour. Zero for France. Yeah.

Yeah. And then the numbers if you're wondering. I think it's very likely. that France is not going to win a stage in the Strait of France. That's, that's, well, we'll get there later in the show at the stage 18 preview. But so Belgium has six wins, Slovenia 4. Bagacher could surpass Belgium by himself if he really wants to. The Netherlands is two.

Denmark is two, if you count Jonas's first day, win. Mexico won, Switzerland won, Norway won. So that's pretty impressive by Belgium. A lot of good cyclists coming out of Belgium. Keep an eye on that country. That's just, I guess it's all culture, right, Johan? Like, there's like, there's nothing else that really explains that. I mean, cycling is so popular.

There's so many races compared to any other country. And then also, you know, it's a small country. So, you know, whenever you want to go to a race, you don't have to travel far. That's a very good point. I remember, like, I have a son who races, right? So he's now first year junior. He just turned 17 and he's racing in Spain. And, you know, we have to go like,

For example, he's racing, right now he's racing in the bus country, a four-day stage. So it's, you know, three, four, five hundred kilometer travel. And last year, we went to, we went to Belgium for the whole month of August. And we could do, I think he did six races in 12 days or something. And it was never further away than 50 kilometers. You know, and you can, you can, like in the summer, you can basically race every, every day if you want. Yeah. as a young rider.

So I think that's obviously, I mean, if you want the young riders, the young athletes to, you know, compete, you have to have competition. You have to have races, right? Yes. So, but anyway, it's in the culture. It's, you know, cycling is like a religion in Belgium. You know, like if you see the amount of coverage the races get in the newspapers on TV, I think, I mean, it's been, I mean, but I think a few years ago, I saw a stat somewhere on national TV, like on Belgian free national TV, there was 250 days of cycling on on on broad being broadcasted 250 days in one year. Jeez.

Yeah. Heaven. Yeah. I got to get that. That is a very good point. I do think just child development of sports that what really underrated thing is what you're saying. It's proximity to where you live. like how much experience can you get without traveling a long way?

Yeah. It's like the number one thing. Yeah. That's a very good point. Should we take a quick break? And then I have a couple questions for you. Okay. Anything else on this stage?

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amazing ride. Oh, wait, Jasper Stoeven. Yasper Stoeven. Sorry, Yasper Stoeven. Sorry, yesper Stoeven. Yeah, sorry. I was like, man, the show was tough was like, there was a lot of Yasper's flying around. Both Jaspers, yeah. Jasper Stuyven, I think, you know,

great transfer from Suddahl Kvikstep, and also a great decision from him to change teams, you know. He was on little track and track like forever. I think he's been always on this team. No? Yeah. I think so. Yeah.

I don't think he was on Lotto ever. I can't. Maybe ever. I don't know. Yeah, because he went pro with Trek factory racing. Okay. Trek Segofredo. Little Trek.

Well, he was on, he was on, he was on track Livestrone, actually as a development writer. Was world champion juniors, by the way. And, you know, he's a veteran writer now. You know, he's in his 30s. We saw how good he was in the classics. It was third at Parirouet, by the way. Up there in Flanders, did a great classic season. Then he was amazing in the Giro, great assistance for Paul Manier, who won three stages,

then went for it a couple of times himself. And then in this tour de France, he was crucial for Tim Merlier, for those three stage wins. And then today he was in the breakaway. There's a fly here that's bothering me the whole show already. Oh, man, got to get that fly. And today he, on such a hard stage where you would think, you know what normally mean, listen, it would be most logical that Jasper Steuben is cooked and empty and say, okay, you know what?

I contributed to the team success. I'm now just going to Paris. But today he was in that breakaway. first he was in the break then he he was in a selection of the break and then he went you know by himself you know

as we say or what Chente Garcia his famous quote in the Movistar documentary is La Fuga de la Fuga you have to La Fuga is the breakaway you have to be in La Fuga de la Fuga de la Fuga the breakaway from the breakaway and Jasper Stryven was in La Fuga

de la Fuga de la Fuga de la Fuga so he because he went from the small group that went away from the breakaway And unfortunately for him, these groups melted together. Otherwise, if this is a traditional development of the breakaway that stays ahead and then he escaped from the break, he wins the stage. It was only because it regrouped and that because Alpacin had four riders and J.ko had three riders. And decathlon were riding for Olaf Koi.

Otherwise, he would have won this stage. and he would have really deserved this, Spencer, because Jasper Stoeven has never won a stage in the Tour de France. This is his 10th participation in the tour. He has finished 28 times in the top 10 in stages and never won a stage. And it's a writer, it's a really good rider, but do you, here's a question for you, do you know when Jasper Stuyvesen's last victory was? Oh my Lord.

good question. I'm not going to look it up, but I'm going to guess it was, well, you know what? I can't. Was it like, was it pre-COVID? Could that be right? It's Milan-San-Rimo, 2011. Wow. That was his last victory? His last win, his last win as a professional rider. Whoa. Yeah. Which, you know, is crazy. That is crazy. But he's such a good. He only has nine pro wins. Yeah. Which is shocking. Yeah, so he doesn't win often. He almost won a stage once.

It's already a number of years ago. Also, he got caught at the end. It was the finish and Mende, that steep climb to the airport, which was one by Michael Matthews. And he was caught in the last kilometer also there. He's always, I mean, he is so many times where he's so close to winning big races. Yeah. He has to be the closest to winning without winning big races.

If there was a staff for that, like he won. He won him on him. He won with Altson Remo. like even this year he was third at ruby like you don't remember that yeah he's always there he's always right there at these big races yeah man i remember when he went juniors that that was a long time ago 2009 wow wow dang what happened what happened yesper geez that feels like it was yesterday holy smokes he no that's shocking what you mean that feels like what spencer 2009 was yesterday We're not.

It was yesterday. It was yesterday. Yeah. I walked by a bike shop. It must have been late 2008, early 2009. And there was a sign that was like, Lance is back on the bike or you. And then that's how I got my first bike. Oh, wow.

That sign. I was like, oh, I got to get a bike. Look at that awesome sign. But that is crazy. 2021. But you know what? He's a great rider. He's won enough.

He's got enough. Yeah. He's won a monument. He's won Amloup. He's got a great career and I'm pretty sure he has a great contract. And, you know, he's, I mean, I'm going to guess he's signed for at least two or three years with Soudal. So, you know, he's done well for himself, even without too many, too many victories. It's an amazing pickup by then, by the way, because he's been key to Tim Rler's stage wins as well at this race.

But it's crazy. I mean, I'm just checking. Paul Monnier's wins at the zero. I'm just confirming here, you know, because I heard it on TV today, but I just, I'm just confirming he had 2021 Milan San Bramo. Then the year before, he won Omelop with Newsblood. Yep. Didn't, that doesn't have many wins.

Yeah. And also another really important piece of information, Spencer, you know, it's to prove that these guys are so strong. And they keep insisting. They keep insisting. You know, we're in this era of cycling where every, I mean, there's tiny guys. They're super light. You know, you're still even one meter 87 high, 80 kilos.

Yeah. I mean, yeah, you can still be. That, you need a lot of power to be able in the front with that kind of weight. Yes. Well, there's two sides to the equation. There's power and there's weight. So if you have a lot of weight, you got to have a lot of power. Yeah.

But sometimes some, let me think. of soren forn fordnchkold he must be putting out so much power to get over he was he was uh he was up there for a while no i know i know i know it's incredible what he can do like this is not an easy stage yeah at all do not think that this was a flat stage because it was not um do you want to answer question yeah sure so this is from rich this is a little we're going to have to like stab around in the dark here for a second but this guy is saying with Jonas crashing out, a top tour Condender crashing out, has there ever been any tour

to France where two or more of the top contenders pre-race top five were unable to finish due to crash or sickness? Yes. Which one are you thinking out? By coincidence, I just heard this today on TV. It was, I don't remember the year, but the second and the third

rider of the year before had to abandon for some reason. It was Bernard Tavenet and Henny Kuiper. And I think it was one of the Bernard Hino tour. So it must have been early 80s, I think. Late 70s, early 80s. Yeah. The one I, this is kind of cheating, but 2006 would be,

they didn't drop out. They just didn't start. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, yeah. You know, like, yeah. That was different. A little different, but it was very deflating because it's so excited for that tour.

Then it's like, wait, what? Yonelric's not racing. What is happening right now? But, you know, you just get weird stuff. Like when, when you have spots like at the top open like that, you get really weird tours sometimes. Yeah. Like imagine if, imagine if Pagachar and Remko crashed out of this race. It would be a wild.

last few days. Yeah. It would just be like open bar for for a podium that you're probably never going to get again. But stage 18, tomorrow's stage. We're getting, it's getting serious, Johan. It's getting really serious because 185 kilometers, how many meters of climbing? 4,000. 4,000.

Yeah. Yeah, 4,000 meters of climbing. They classify it as like a kind of a mountain stage, like a medium amount. This is a real mountain stage, man. And the finish is seven. K at 7%. Yeah. With 4,000 meters of climbing, they're like, yeah, it's kind of a sprint stage.

We'll see what happens. No, no, no, no, no. I slept on this stage until the second rest day. I looked ahead to the stages. I was like, wow, this is way harder than I thought it was. But we have one, two, three, four, five classified climbs and a sprint point later in the stage, which means going to be big time breakaways for the KOM points. It starts on a cat one.

That's a lot of points. Then there's a cat two. That's also a lot of points. finishes on a cat one. So you're going to have Carapaz. You're going to have Perry Pontchra up there. You're going to have Pedersen trying to get up there to get those sprint points. It's going to be total chaos.

And if you want to bet on it, go to Nxtybets.com slash bet outcomes. And it will show you where to bet, how to bet. Kind of an interesting thing here, Johan. You can check the best odds wherever they are posted. So right now we can see on draft kings. Mads Patterson still minus 250 to win green. Jasper Phillips and plus 200. So that would tell us.

that probably the smart money is on Pedersen to win, even though it feels like he lost it today, that he still has a big advantage probably because of days like tomorrow. How do you think this is going to play out? Is this breakaway? I would assume, right? Yeah, I think breakaway. I think breakaway.

As you said, Part of Pantera has to be in the break for the KOM. Yeah, I think break away. But anyways, before I give my take on who I think. think will win. Orsier-merlet is a name that rings to me since my childhood, Spencer, because it's a famous stage in cycling history in 1971, which was when Eddie Merckes was dominating, the dominating Eddie Merckes got defeated on Orsier-Mirlet by Luis Ocania. Luis Ocania was the first guy who could, you know, threaten and hurt Eddie Merck's and he won the stage with see eight minutes 42 on Eddie

Merckes so Eddie Merckes was actually in my opinion going to lose that tour de France and Ocania took the yellow jersey so he had wait a second so took the yellow jersey and let Eddie Merckes by nine minutes 46 seconds so he had taken time already on Eddie Merckx and then a few days later while O'Conia was in the yellow jersey Eddie Merckx attacked was a really bad weather he had attacked went away and O'Kanya trying to follow him crashed in the downhill of Col de Monta in the Pyrenees was getting up and while he was getting up there was another writer Joachim Agostino a very famous Portuguese writer

also crashed into Luis Ocanaa and I think Luis Ocana broke some rips and he had to abandon. Whoa. Yeah. Whoa. Yeah. Crazy. But then I think I think two years later, he won the tour. Luis O'Cania. When Merckx got punched, right? Was that the year? I could be. Could be. I don't remember that. But, uh, but, uh, but yeah.

And that's tomorrow's summit finish. Tomorrow's so same finish or Sierra Merlet. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Lance in the previews like, that doesn't look that hard. I don't know. That kind of looks like it's pretty hard. 7K and 7%. Well, I mean, especially, you know, in week three after, you know, and this, this, this, this, this is going to have. I mean, it's the first stage of the next three mountain stages, but yeah, this is a real mountain.

It's not, it's not just like an easy, an easy climb. And then you want me to say the odds before you give your pick. Yeah, go ahead. So I've used next bets to go over to draft Kings because they told me the best price. Richard Carapaz plus 350. Tadipagacar plus 450. That would seem hard to believe. Isaac Torto plus 1,000.

Tobias Holland, Johansen plus 1,200. Quinn Sampan, Perry, Ponchre plus 1,400. Tim and Arnsman plus 1,400. Tom Piccock plus 1,600. SEPCUS plus 1,600. RIMCO Evanapult plus 2,200. Who do you think goes on and on? But who do you think is going to win, Johan?

Before you said the odds, I already read down, I think Richard Carapas. He's the favorite for me, I think. He's been waiting for this. He's been quiet now for a few days. And tomorrow he's going to be in the break. And, you know, Carapas is a racer man. He knows how to win. I think Carapas gets to tomorrow.

Could be Carapaz. This is the classic, like even 2024. You know, he kind of came alive in that third week. He wanted to stage very similar to this. I'm going to pick, though, just based on the splits from the time trials, time in Aronsman. I think he's flying right now. plus 1400 on two stages in the third week of last year's tour.

Carabaz is going to have a lot of eyes on them. That's the only thing that gives, like everyone's going to be looking at Richard Carapas tomorrow. Yeah. Perry Pontra, I did think about, but the more I think about it is he's going to be going so hard for the sprints on the top of the climbs. It can often hurt your ability to win the stage.

So I'm going with Arend's minute plus 1400. Okay. Yeah, he did a really good time trial yesterday because I don't know if you saw, he actually missed his start. Yes. He missed his start. I think he started like 20 seconds late and he still came in like a top placing. At the moment he arrived, I think he was second time.

I think he would have been top five on the day if he would have made his start. Also, do you know what the fastest time, T2 to the finish yesterday? Wait, it's on the top of my tongue. the young kid from Ineos. Yeah, Josh Charlie. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Pretty impressive, actually. Yeah.

And he was there in the finish again today. I mean, he's a good, good rider. I think he's 22 years old. But I think, Carapaz is a very good pick here. I mean, you could easily just imagine this being a Carapaz win, but I don't know, something tells me when there's that many eyes on you, can he just keep doing it?

Maybe he can. Maybe that's not a problem. Like I'm looking at, what was that? Stage 17 of 2024. Yeah, Richard Carapas. It's a very similar stage. He's going to have Ben Healy in the break also working for him. I know.

It's such a big advantage too that he has been Healy just to go out and drive the brakes. Ben Healy has come alive in this tour. Initially, like until until a few days ago, I didn't think he was going very good. He was struggling. But, you know, he's the last few days, he's pretty. pretty good. Yeah. You kind of wonder would he have come alive with that because it kind of gave him a purpose,

even when he wasn't racing that well, having Carapaz and driving the brakes. And it seems like that's allowed him to come around. Yeah. And he does look a lot different. Should we do Ventum trivia and then take off? Yeah. Okay. So, Vent, if you want to answer these questions and you want to get credit for it, go to ventimracing.com

slash the move and enter your answer. You can do a new one every day. will draw a winner on July 26th, the final day of the tour, on the show, on the move, and whoever wins gets $5,000 credit toward a Ventum bike of their choice. You can get the road bike, the NS1, the gravel bike, the GS1. I would recommend both. They're both fantastic bikes. The GS1, very light, but can fit very wide tires with, if you're on maybe not great roads,

it's a great option. But yesterday's question was also, while you're there, you can shop using code the Move 10 to get 10% off, any bike that you won. Yesterday's question was Sir Bradley Wiggins went on to win the 2012 tour to France and then went on to win the Olympic gold in the time trial just days later. What made that feat unique?

Do you know the answer, Johan? Was it that he was the first ever to the France winner to win Olympic gold straight after? Yes. Yeah. And as he said, a little bit unfair

because that only became possible in 1996. Yeah, yeah, 96, yeah. I did the first, I did the Olympics in Atlanta, in 96, which was the first time. It was open for professionals. And it was actually Miguel Nguyen, who won the time trial. But that's the year he had lost the tour. And he won the Olympic gold in the time trial. Did he race the next year?

Was that his last year? No, no, he retired. He just, just, win, see you. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. So he did, he did the tour. I think he finished seventh.

Then he went to Atlanta, one Olympic gold, and then they forced him to do the Vuelta, which he didn't want to do. And he abandoned and said, okay, that's it. I'm stop. I'm quitting racing. That's pretty badass. That's the way to do it. But so today's question is,

also pretty impressive. Wiggins was kind of backing away from how impressive that was on the show. But he handled that. He won the tour and then went straight to Olympic. and won that time trial against the very strong Tony Martin. But today's question, young riders have been a force in this year's tour. And what year was the best young rider competition introduced into the race?

Don't answer it. Competition or a jersey? Competition or white jersey? It says competition, parentheses, white jersey. Okay. Yeah. Because I think I talked about 1996. no, 1969, sorry, 1969 when Eddie Merck's was, did his first two in France, one yellow, green,

pocket adult teams and young rider classification, but there was no jersey. Okay. So let's white jersey. If you know the answer to that. Yeah. Go to ventumracing.com slash the move and put your answer in. Don't email it to me because it will not count toward anything. I will just admire your answer if you do that. But anything else, Johan, before we take off? No, I think we've covered most of it, Spencer, if not everything. All right. Well, we'll be back tomorrow.

And we're getting into the end game of this tour. It's kind of weird. It's freaky how fast this tour is going. But we have a lot left to do. You know, with stage 18, I think this is the beginning of the end. And then stage 19 and then stage 20 is one of the hardest stages I've seen in a long time at the tour. friends so sure yeah it's going to be exciting stuff but we will talk tomorrow after stage thanks okay bye