Therapuss with Jake Shane - Session 106: Hailey Bieber

Episode Date: February 19, 2026

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Stop. Seriously. I've been doing this more. Have you really? I'm sorry. It's really addictive. No, it really is. Clock it.

Clock it. Hi. Hi. We are so apart these days. It's really upsetting, but it's also exciting because it's cool things happening. for you. And you? Well, yes. Thank you. But. So we have two big announcements that we're, I'm going to Broadway and Brett's going to Tokyo. Yep. Yeah. Brett is running the Tokyo Marathon. I'm running the Tokyo Marathon on March 1st. So it's still a bit of a ways away, but it's soon enough. Are you excited?

Where's Pasadro? She's right here. Are you excited? I'm very excited. It's my first ever international marathon, which is cool. Yeah, I can't wait. Like, I'm just going to be like in Japan for 10 days. It's pretty cool. And you were just there. I was just there. So we're like very like we're in sync, but we're out of sync. Yes. Yeah. Japan. I just went to Japan. It was so amazing. I think maybe. Are you a jet lag? No, I beat the jet lag. You seem totally fine. And I'll tell you why I beat the jet lock. I slept the whole flight. So then I woke, I landed at like 8 a.m. and I just, I didn't let myself sleep all day. And it was Super Bowl Sunday. And I went to a Super Bowl thing. And then I got home. And I got a Benadryl IV at like 8.30.

So because I knew that if I didn't, I would wake up in the middle of the night. Yeah. Which I still did, but I was able to go back to bed because I had that. Yeah, you're right. And so I just slept the whole night. That's wonderful. I'm taking notes for when I come home. I beat the jet lag.

Well, I think I beat the jet lag. But now I fly tonight to New York. Which is just. Yeah. But for good, for very good reason. It's so exciting. Broadway. We need to talk about it.

We need to talk about it. I'm so excited. What theater are you in? Niederlander. Okay. Where is that? Like, if I named any theater, would you have known? Yes, bitch, because you forget.

I went to theater camp. Well, should we, like, what are some, like, updates in our life? It's been a very long time since the last therapist episode. Yeah. Since what? November? Has it been since November? A lot has changed.

Yeah. And a lot has stayed the same. Yes. But you've been gone for a lot. I changed my meds. Yeah. How is that going? I think,

I don't know. I don't know. Prozac? I changed from Prozac to Louvox. Okay. I'm on like the highest dosage of Louvox. Okay. It's supposed to help for my OCD, which it has.

I have noticed that it has helped for my OCD. I feel like you've been, yeah. I've noticed. I don't think it's helped with like my, like my, my, my mania. Like, you know, like I, I'm very happy and then I'm very, very sad. And then I, you know, like it. It really does. So my new psychiatrist is like trying to put me on Wellbutrin.

Really? Are you? I'm on Walbutrin, remember? Wait. You knew that. Yes. Wait. Yeah.

How, can you tell me? Do you like? I like it a lot. I went on it when I. For depression. For depression. Because girl, you were sad. Girl, I was in a rough spot.

Yeah, you were sad. And people don't know that sometimes. but and then I've just stayed on. And do you have thoughts on it? I have had a great experience. Do you notice it's made you happier? It definitely helped when like when I first went on because it was just like tears galore for me.

It was spring of 2024. You remember it was just bad bad bad vibes. And I've just stayed on because I really, I really like it. I just find that it's, you know, even killed, you know. I just my one thing is like, I'm like, oh, do I want to like be on all these meds, all the time. Yeah. And that's what I didn't try an antidepressant for so long for that reason, but I don't think that's a reason to not try it. I know. I think I might as well try it. I think I'm going to try it maybe after I do Broadway. Good idea. Just because I, I, you already have a lot

of like different variables that will be entering while you're on Broadway because it's just all these new things. So you might want to try it when you're in a bit of a more controlled environment. Like you're back at home. Like, you know, like you're back to. in your normal routine. We also binge watched a lot of television this winter. Yes, you put me on Homeland. And then you stopped. Yeah, I did stop.

But like respectfully, after season two, it really does go downhill for a second. Yeah. It really picks up in season eight, which is the final season. And that's just too much. I can't get there. It's a lot, but I really like gave it my all because I did all her. I'll tell you my binge watching journey. I started with all her fault.

Then I went to Beast of Me. Then after Beast of Me, because Claire Daines isn't Beast in Me, I saw Homeland was on Netflix. I did Homeland. Homeland took up a lot of my time. Had you watched it before? I did the first three seasons when it was airing. Oh, wow. And then so I did it.

I redid it again. What else have you watched? I'm doing all the Oscar movies. So I've been. Super exciting. I've been doing all the Oscar movies. Which like I just, I have a lot of respect for it just because you know I'm not a movie person. And I know that it's like hard to watch all of those.

I'm way more of a television person. Yeah. But so people say like reading is a muscle. I also find to be like watching television and movies a muscle. I agree. Specifically movies, I think. Right, because I think with television, I am going full throttle into like a world. Mm-hmm.

You know what I mean? Yeah. And then with movies, I'm only entering the world for two hours. Yeah, but you have to be like paying attention. Yeah. So I've seen Margin'clock. Supreme. I've seen one battle after another. Have you seen F1? No, I'm about to watch F1. I watched F1. It was good. Okay, I'm excited. I've seen train dreams. Huh? So this movie, well, I don't know. I don't know. It is, it was seriously probably the most moving piece of work I've, like, seen in recent memory. Wow. It was really beautiful. Then I watched Hamnet. How is that? Hamnet was just. Was it a movement? Amazing.

And I don't like period pieces. Okay. I'm going to say it. I don't. And I've said it before. I don't like them. Jesse Buckley, have you seen Hamnet? Holy Mother of God.

Is it related to Hamlet? Okay. So yes. Okay. I thought so. I just didn't know. So basically, William Shakespeare had a son named Hamnet who died. Oh.

And it inspired him to, I feel, Buddy Chills. It inspired him to write Hamlet. Wow. Then I watch if I had legs, I'd kick you, which is also amazing. Really good. Did you watch that? Yes. So good.

Oh, yeah, you have letterboxed. Yeah. Are you, like, updating that? Sometimes, yeah. But I get so scared to share my opinion. Like, I don't know. Like, sometimes people are so rude. And I'm like, I just, like, the cinnophiles are like,

and I just like, I don't want to, like, deal. Yeah. They're intense, I feel like. Yeah. And, you know, still out there on the dating scene. Yeah, you've had some experience. Yeah, that's a phenomenal way to put it. Thank you.

You're welcome. I called Cassie the other day. I was in such a chipper mood. And I was like, hi. And she goes, hi, what guy are you talking to? I am so male-centered. Yeah. I am so...

Yeah. Oh. I mean, we don't have to get into it, but sometimes it's just it's a bit much. Tell me more. When you were crashing out and I was like you gotta stop. This is just you're putting this person on a pedestal. I know. And by the way, it was genuinely too much. And Louise stopped it actually. She did and you want to know how. Really just always comes in clutch. Do you want to know how she stopped it? How? Have you ever heard the song in my head by Ariana Grande? There's this line in in my head where it's a look at you. Boy, I invented you.

Yeah. Like the version of you that I am crashing out over, I don't know you. Exactly. It was all in my head. Louise, like, you've never done. And I'm like, I don't think I've ever really listened. Oh my God, I listened. I was in the shower like, boy, I invented you.

Like, I was literally like, and you know what? Sometimes I feel like I'm experiencing the feelings of a 14 year old girl for the first time as a 26 year old gay man. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Because I didn't have this in high school or college. Right. Really? Because I was so busy people pleasing and like trying to be cool.

So like now that I'm like finally like allowing myself to like be romantic without like whatever, I'm like experiencing that of like a teenage girl. Yeah. And that's okay. But that makes sense. Totally. I think like that that I am. So, you know, but I am it's, I really like the music. Music has really got me through it.

Yeah. It really has. And don't you feel vindicated now? Yes. having gotten through that and being able to like reflect and now most likely you the the next crash out won't be as bad hopefully I mean Brett of course it will be just as bad well I hope that you can learn from this at least I can't okay well that's your own doing I know like you know what else is there to talk about catches

a I was actually going to say catches okay so we should talk about Kachas. I would love nothing more. I'm so excited for you. Brett, a few years ago, brought back these gummies. They gagged us all. It really did. Like we, and look at the rainbow gay pride gummies. Like we, like, and so. They're so good. And so then I met with them and we really got along. Hell yeah. It's amazing. It's amazing. I'm actually like so excited for everyone to like try them. They're so good. And I want to do a big trip to Germany. I would love that because I've never been. I've never been either. Oh my gosh.

And I really want to go. Where are their headquarters in Germany? I think near Dusseldorf. Love. Yeah. I'm very excited for you. It's going to be awesome. There is a lot more to come.

We're going to do a lot of fun stuff with it and I'm really excited. Yay. I'm really, really excited. I'm excited. And I'm really struggling to be excited because you know my OCD is like, well, what if something bad happens always? I'm always so anxious. So I've been really, really struggling with that.

But I've been journaling, which has been very helpful. Yeah, you have been journaling. Yeah, I think is important. Speaking of, do you know because of AI that, like, kids in school have to write their essays now? Good. Good. I agree. I seriously, AI scares me so much.

It scares me so much. And this is what I'm hoping. So I feel like there's been, like, a boomerang effect, kind of. So it's, like, before it was, like, pre-technology. And then it was, now it's, like, over here. Or, like, for us, it was over here. We're, like, instead of, for us in my school system, instead of learning cursive, we, like, kind of learned cursive, but then we learned typing.

And so then it went like this way where it's like, okay, we're learning all the electronic stuff. I'm hoping that then it comes back and it goes back to like cursive in schools, handwriting, not having electronics, not having phones, like whatever, because we realize how fucked up it's making our brains, like the children. That is. You know what I mean? Does that make sense?

No, yes. That makes complete sense. It's like right now the boomerang is like all the way out there. My question is how can you, how can teachers tell if it's AI? Because it's gotten to the point where it's like, I think that they can't and that's the point. And like we had to like comb through like the library databases. Like you know what I mean?

But you know what would someone would say to us to that? That we would have to comb through books. 100%. Not to play devil's advocate. I think AI is terrible. I totally agree. But I'm just saying like, but also at the same time I think it's just the definition of it can only go so far.

Yeah. And it's bad for the environment. Yeah. How? I don't know. But I know that it is. It's because it uses like a lot of energy for like one search, like more than, way more than Google. It's water for the cooling systems to keep the servers running. So it uses a bunch of water.

Wow, Nolan. Thank you. That. We have to talk about the pop-up bagel collab. Yeah, that was really fun. It shook the world. It did. It like really shook the world in a very serious way.

No, did you see. The one, I run LA. I run LA. And it was Brett's dessert bowl butter. Yeah, people really like. It's amazing. It was, it got, I knew that it was like, going to be like a fun, like whatever, but I was not anticipating it becoming like as big and as like exciting as it did.

I just feel like you though specifically do partnerships that make so much sense. Thank you. Every single time. Thank you. Bloom. Pop up bagels. I mean, the first one with organic orange. True, Frue.

Yeah. Anything else? Nike. Anything else in the works that you can hint at? Something more with Nike. Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah.

We can cut that if need be. I think it's fine to say. Okay, whatever. And I'm trying to think what else. I think that that's like the main thing I can say. Okay. But about like the partnership thing, thank you. And that's something that I really want to continue because I think that that's very

important. Oh, I have more merch coming out. Although, I mean, the park about I run LA. Have you seen anyone in the wild wearing it? Still, to this day, no. Because I saw people at like the Chicago Marathon Expo, but I don't think that counts because that's not in the wild. Like, duh.

Amani was in Trader Joe's and saw someone wearing the bites. It really is the most comfortable hoodie. I wear it every day. You wear it so much. I wear it every single day. I'm wearing it on the plane tonight. So I have more coming out. I still have yet to see one though and I really want to.

I was excited to go to New York the other week because I really thought that I was going to see one in New York. But you got sick. I got really sick. You got really sick. I was so sick. Did your aura ring tell you before like you are, you're weak? I woke up that morning and my readiness score was a 30, which is the lowest it's ever

bet. It's normally in like the 80s or 90s. What did you have? Did you have the flu? I never tested positive for the flu, but I only tested on my first day of symptoms and sometimes you test negative then. Like I would have had to go back. Oh, Brett.

I'm so sorry. Did you watch anything? I watched ahead of Tell Me Lies a little. I need to catch up. Because I have the screeners. I need to catch up. Are you watching Tell Me Lies? Brett, have you ever watched industry?

Louise, not watching Tell Me Lies is so off-brand. I kind of agree. Yeah, I just don't want to see the talks. Like, I understand. No, Louise is a gay man trapped in a woman's body. He did rivalry. I sent an email the other day and I wrote, oh, like, this sounds great, but I'm going to be away. Louise texted me because I was going to be in Japan.

Wees texting me in quotes, I'm going to be away. Obsessed. What? I said, I'm going to be away. Like, I'm away. Like, that's just such a country way to say. It is.

She's gay. She's gay man. He did rivalry. Sent me into a psychosis of sorts. It really did. My best friend said, because he knew how affected I would be by it. He said, Jake, please just can you wait till the new year to watch it? Like, please.

Because you're like, because I was so alone with my. thoughts. Yeah. When I watched it, it was during the break. And I literally, I was like, uh, I was, I was like, why not me? Like, you know what I mean? I was like, why not me? Yeah.

Why isn't that my life? Well, it will be. But yes, what a beautiful, moving piece of work. Just incredible. Round of applause for heated rivalry. It was wonderful. Yeah. Nolan, did you watch? No, I considered it. Should I start it?

What the hell? Also, sorry, my brain's going all over the place. One of the last things I'll say is there are a lot of people who when tortured poets came out were like, how could you write this entire album about someone you only saw for a few months?

Let me tell you. That is real. That shit is real. Okay, because when I was crashing out over someone that I saw far less than months, that on repeat start to motherfucking finish. And that album is just so good. It's the best. It's the best.

It's so good. And I just want to tell you, like, if you're questioning, like, how can those feelings be real? They are real. Yeah. And I just want to put that out there. Like, I was listening to, um, down by the time. Not the slammer? No, it was down bad.

Down bad was really... Because I was like, yeah, now I am literally at the gym upset. Wow. I'm at the gym and I'm upset. Yeah. And you beamed me up just to put me down. Damn. Ugh.

So good. I love her. So, but yeah, therapist is on Netflix now. Yay! You're on Broadway. I'm gonna go on Broadway. I guess I would have already done it by now. Last night would have been my debut.

And Brett is going to run the Tokyo Marathon. Yay. And I'm so excited. And at the end of the day, it is all because of you guys. Every single person that watches this podcast, when I first started this, I had no idea what was going to happen. It's really beautiful. It is so beautiful. It is a testament to you guys.

Thanks for sticking with me even when I didn't do a good job and I could have done better. I don't know. Like sometimes I don't do like the best. Sometimes I think I watch something back. I'm like I could have been better, but like people, but like you guys still stuck with me. And now we're on Netflix. It's crazy. Which is the craziest thing ever.

I'm so proud of you. I'm so proud of you. Oh, thank you. I love you. I love you. Please enjoy the season three premiere of therapist with Haley Bieber. Hi Pussies. Bye Pussies.

Hi Pussies. Welcome to the season premiere of Therapus. We are on Netflix now and our season premiere guest is, that was so horrible and so awkward. I'm so sorry. Haley Bieber. Hi. Hi. Hi, pussy.

Yay! My friends always say that they're surprised you haven't blocked my number yet. Why? Because I text you every day. Jake has been texting me a lot, but with good reason, but with good reason,

should we say why? We've been watching Homeland. And we just finished. I just pulled up outside and finished the series finale. And it's eight seasons. For the last 10 minutes in the car, because I promised,

that I was going to power through. And it was hard. And it was hard. It was hard. It was hard. But we did it. Did you have a favorite season? Besides one,

because one's the best. Yeah, one was amazing. Eight did end up being really good. Eight was good. Yeah. Eight was good. We're going to make ourselves sound like we have no life. No,

but we do. And we could, we could be legitimate spies. Legit. We could because I know how they, and I wonder if that is like, legit, how they do everything.

Here's the thing. I think my biggest takeaway from Homeland is that Carrie is crazy, obviously. She's a crazy gal. Off her fucking rocker. Yeah. She's not well. I don't know how the government hired her for as long as they hired her.

Like she, the shit. It got to points where I was like, this is not realistic because they would never keep her ass. But then she's so brilliant and so smart. So maybe they would. But I was like they would never keep her around. So what I was confused about,

throughout the entirety of the show is like the job like is she so britt like does the job take that level of brilliance like are they not just like following maybe you should get an ex CIA agent on the show so you can ask i know i know i know that's what i think you kind of need to do that i know i was thinking maybe i get like experts on this season like like experts in the field maybe he needs to just get care claire hello claire come on the show she is carry ask her ask her to get in how did you get inside the mind of carry clearly she she killed that character but I was just so shook at how did you did you did you watch beast in me yeah I did it was did you start homeland after beast and me no I started homeland first and then beast and me came out okay because homeland came onto

Netflix uh-huh and I was like I've never seen this show before I'm gonna start so I started it and then I was kind of watching both did you like beast in me I did yeah and the beast in me has the guy from the Americans and right yes two favorite spies what's your favorite show of all time the one that I always can go back to repeatedly, that is my comfort show, would be friends. It doesn't do it for me. Really? That's how I feel people are going to hate me for saying this about the office. Oh, same.

I can't. It doesn't do it for me. I like, I love Steve Correll. And it just, it's like one of those things I think you like it or you don't. It's not that I don't like it. It's just I don't, it doesn't do it for me in the way it does it for other people. A thousand. People ride for that show.

Ride. Right. I can't do it. I can't do it. I watched friends. when I was like a kid. Like I did a few seasons. But like my roommate, like,

like it's her, it's the only show she'll watch. Is the office? It's the friends. Oh, friends. Yeah. Like, friends is, I can turn it on any time at night.

And it just does it for you. And it just does it for me. Yeah. I think my favorite show of all times probably girls. Didn't we talk about this? Yes. That I watched girls for the first time

in my life this year too. And what did you think? Um, it shook me. Were you like, I'm so happy I'm married with children? It wasn't even about that. It was about the insufferableness of so many of the characters.

Yeah, you were like, they are not well. It scared me. Like, I was like, surely people aren't like this. I'm like that. Like, that's why you said to me. Every single character on that show is a little scary for one reason or another. Right. But maybe it's, that's what it's supposed to make you feel.

And it's supposed to be this harsh, stark reality of it. I watched it, like, in full. like one year when I like the first I think no maybe my second year post grad from college and so I was like in that mindset I was like that is who I am to my core like selfish and scary I mean listen I think we all are like that and can be like that but I was just like watching it with this lens of like if I'm like this I need to not be like this like but from so many different idiosyncrasies in course. of the different characters. I felt the same way about sex in the city.

You have a really large vocabulary. Really? Yes. Adiosyncrasies. Thank you. You know, I was so sat for your 2016 dump. You were so sad? Sat.

Oh, I thought you said sad. Why were you so sad? No, sat. Sat. It was a time. How old were you in 2016? Okay, so you were old enough. I was old enough.

Was it just the best year of all time? It was fun. I will say like 20, 2014 to 2017 was a really crazy time. It was so fun. What was it like? Tell me what it was like in 2014. When 2014 would have been the year I was graduating high school.

Yeah. Old are you now? I'm 29. So I was turning 18 in 2014 and I would have been, that was my senior year of high school. Didn't finish, whatever. That's a whole other conversation. I've already beat the dead horse if not graduate. I'm not getting into it again.

So I moved into New York City, September of 2014. So I was 17. I turned 18 in November of 2014. And I was just ripping it. Like I moved into the city. I was like traveling. I was working. I lived with my older sister at the time.

And it was wild. It was so fun. I mean, I met all my friends that I'm still best friends with to this day. You know, all my core group of friends have been my best friends since I was 16, 17. Oh, that's when you met everyone. Yeah. Because where did you grow, actually grow up?

You grew up here or you grew up in Arizona? I grew up in New York. What? Yeah, I'm from New York. Wait, why did I think you were from Arizona? I was born in Arizona. That's it. Yeah.

That's it. Born in Tucson and then, well, my dad is from New York. My mom's from Brazil, but she grew, like, moved to New York when she was. Where in New York? Were you from? I was from a place called Nyack, which is Rockland County. Yes. Yes.

I used to live in Westchester. Oh, no way. Yeah. When? Why? Like when I was six to 11. Oh, wow. Westchester and then I moved to the city and then I lived in the city and then I moved

to out here. Okay, cool. Yeah. So you're from the East Coast, too. Yes. I grew up right across the bridge from you, the Tapancy Bridge. And then I moved into the city when I was 17. And it was just...

It was just so fun. It's like it was my first experience with going out and clubs and, you know, just because I didn't go to high school. So I never really had that experience. So for me, it was almost like I was getting the most extreme version of like high school or college. Yeah. And then when did you come out here? I came out here in 2018 when I got married. Otherwise, I would have never come out.

I wouldn't have lived here if it wasn't for that. And where'd you guys get married again? We got married in New York City. in a courthouse. And then we got married a year, like had a wedding a year later. And where was the wedding? South Carolina. And then where did you guys go for your honeymoon?

We did a honeymoon when we got married, married, so like a year before. And then we went on a honeymoon to Italy, like a Molfi. I've never been. It was nice. Yeah, it's super cool. Yeah. It's a good spot. And the food obviously is amazing.

Yeah, right. Yeah. The food in South Carolina is amazing too. The food in South Carolina is amazing. My wedding cake came from like a local bakery in Charleston. Oh, so good. And it was so good. Like, I think about it to this day.

What was the bakery? I don't remember the name of it, to be honest. But I remember it was just like this great classic vanilla and vanilla cake, like just buttery and southern and yummy. Right. It was great. Our wedding was honestly really, really fun. We had a great time.

It was like all of our friends and family. And it was beautiful. And how old were you when you got married? I was 21. What? So we got married when I was 21, like legally. And then I turned 22, like two months later. And then when we had my wedding, I was about to turn 23.

Got it. Children. Children. Children. Yeah. Pretty crazy. Worked out. Yeah.

Here we are. Here you are. Yeah. And how old your son? He's one? He's one. He's 16 months. Is he talking?

Yeah. Stop. Yeah, he's so cute. What does he say? So he talks a lot about basketball. He says basketball all the time. I went to get him up from his nap today and he was like, basketball? Like he's just, it's insane.

So funny. He also just started saying please. I'm like, say please. He knew how to sign please for a really long time. So if I would say, hey, say please, he would go like this as please. And now he goes, peace. It's so cute. It's so fun. What's it like being a mom?

It is so fun. I always knew I wanted kids. I always wanted to be a mom. And then when it happens, it's just like you never know what to expect and you don't know what it's going to be like. And it honestly is so much fun. It's so crazy. It's so crazy.

That like you were like, no one warned me about this and I wasn't expecting it. It's a whole bunch of you just don't know what's going to happen until you get there. I think something that I feel did. surprise me though was that I feel like I'm a lot more relaxed as a mom than I thought I would be. I think especially as a first time mom. Right. Because do you think you were going to be like stressed about like the health and the safety? Yeah. I think I thought I was going to be a lot more. And I did like when I first had him, I definitely had more anxiety about you know, when they're so small. It's a lot scarier. Right. But even so I, I was a lot more relaxed about everything than I, than I thought because I realized that you just

figure it out as you go. Like every single day, you're just figuring out how to be a parent as you go. And you're just learning as they're learning. And I think it's just the coolest thing to watch a little person become their own little person. Like I'm watching him get his personality. I'm seeing what he's into. He likes basketball. He likes this thing. You know, it's like, it's so fun. Does he ever listen to Justin's music? Yeah, he does. He, he's been saying, um, baby, oh, baby, oh, baby. Oh. And I'm like, Like in literally in the last two days, that is so crazy. Does he, is he walking? He's walking, right? He's running. Shut up. Yeah. He's running.

He's kicking a soccer ball. He's throwing the soccer ball. Oh, so he's going to be a sporty kid. So far, yeah. Like, he's into all of it. Oh my God, I love babies. Yeah, he's so cute. I have to show you.

I don't think I've ever seen a photo of him. Really? I just shaved his head. Well, I didn't shave it, but I got his, he got a haircut. Yeah, he's so blonde. to look like dad-da. He honestly looks identical to him. Oh my God.

That is Justin. Louise, you have to see. Come here. I'm going to freak the fuck out. Oh. No, I'm going to be sick. I'm going to be sick. He looks exactly.

Oh, my God. I'm going to be sick. I know. Let me see that again. Isn't he so cute? Oh, my God. Isn't that crazy? Oh, my God.

Oh, my God. He's adorable. He's like the perfect mix of you guys. I know. It's kind of. a trippy. Who are you listening to right now? I'm listening to I really love the new kid LaRoy album. Swag. Of course. Consistently. I always go back to it because I just think it's such a great album. It's such a good listen to me top to bottom. Obviously maybe I'm a little biased,

but like I think the sign of a great album is like when you've given it time and then you go back to listening to it. And I just constantly keep going back to it. What else am I listening to let's check. Are you Spotify or Apple Music? I'm Apple Music. Really? Yeah, I'm not a Spotify. Love Spotify.

Love you guys. But I'm not a user. I love Tem's new album. Really into that. Love Olivia Dean's new album. Like running that into the ground. I also really like the Tame and Paula album, the new one. Oh, I've only heard a few songs from it, but I heard it's good.

Favorite, favorite, like, of all time. I love Tame and Paula. He, Kevin Parker. Is it just one guy? Yeah. Okay. Totally. Totally.

Totally. Totally. Totally. Have you seen him live? Yeah, I have. Do you see the latest show? You know, it was really sad. I was supposed to go.

And then the person I was supposed to go with was like, hey, I'm actually going to like one of the shows earlier in the week. Uh-huh. But I'll go with you again. And then I, and then you don't want to be that girl that's like, yeah, come with me again after you just went 48 hours ago. No point. It's okay. Like, I'll find somebody else to go with me. And then I never found anybody to go with me.

So I didn't get to go. And it was their last show of the U.S. tour. And so I almost went by myself because I'm such a massive fan. I can stand there by myself with a glass of wine and sing every song word for word. But I was like, I don't know if I love going to the forum by myself and like being there alone. And it all worked out. I don't think I was meant to be there. But you'll see them eventually.

I did see Tame and Paula a few times before. I saw them at Panorama Festival in New York City. in panorama festival i might i was just like a sleeper cell activated like oh my god i remember that festival i saw frank ocean there yes when he performed and chance the rapper did panorama yeah it was it was a time i think that was 2016 or 17 it was yeah 2017 i think and i saw tame and it was just amazing and then i saw them at the hollywood bowl which was amazing what's your favorite venue to see a show You know, honestly, I do love the bowl in L.A. I don't think I've ever been.

More intimate. And it's outside and you can, like, bring your own wine and food. And it's like, it just is more of like a thing. I like the forum because it's so easy. I love the forum. I'm so in and out. Love the forum. Love the game room.

Love the snacks. Yes. It's amazing. The last show I think I went to to there was Tate. Unbelievable. It never gets old. Never gets old. I'm just like, God damn it.

When I'm watching her, I know. I should be able to bend like that. I know. I want to like move my. It's like if you're a really good dancer like she is, like you're so magnetic and you like can't take your eyes off of you. She's amazing. I agree with that. A great dancer and she's just jumping into the splits.

I'm like, good for you. I know it. It's just like how is that so easy? She's so hot. So hot. It's just so great. Well, what's your favorite Tame Impala song? My favorite Tame Impala song is I think yes, I'm changing is so good.

I like. Have you ever heard? Well, of course you've heard. Eventually is amazing. Imagine seeing that live and like shouting it at the top of your lungs. It's a spiritual experience. Did you see them when they were at Gov Ball? Because you were.

I didn't get to go now. Okay. Have you ever met in Gov Ball? I haven't. Well, it's. No, I don't think so. No. It's like, it was like very like kitty playground back in the day.

Like I got my fake ID taken there. Oh my God. I know. Did you ever have a fake ID? No. What were, what were the spots about? in New York, like back in the, back in the 2014, 2017. Up and down.

Dead. Do you know open down? I know up and down. Up and down. And then they made like a downstairs of up and down, which was called Never Ever. And then one oak, obviously. Of course. Marquis.

Yeah. Naming some spots. God, it'll never be that again. Then there was like the upstairs of Chipriani, which is still a thing. I got grabbed out of there by my. neck once. And the one in New York? Here, literally less of a year ago.

Why? Because talk about fainting. My friend fainted in the bathroom and I went to go check up on her. And it was the girl's bathroom. So I like went in and I was like, are you okay? And so they ripped me out and like by here and like just threw me out on the street. I never experienced anything like that before ever in my life. That's really crazy and mean.

I know. People start naming places in New York to me now and I'm like, I've never heard of that. And then I start to feel old. You're not even 30 yet though. I know. I'm so young. I'm so young.

And you still have fun, I feel like. I definitely do. Yeah. I definitely do. I just think that now in my life, I find it more fun. Like the nights where I have a lot of fun, I think it's because they happen less often. When I was like 19, 20, it was every other night. there was a night to do something.

You know, when I would come spend time in L.A. Yeah. In 2016. It was like Tuesday was this thing. Thursday was this thing. Friday was this thing. Saturday was this thing. It was the same in New York.

It was like Tuesday, Thursday, Wednesday, Friday. There was always something to go to and always something to do. And so I feel like I really got to have that for enough time. That's why I didn't feel like it was crazy to settle down at 21 because I was like, I just did that for the last like four years. I'm okay to like, you know, move on to the. this new, like, chapter in my life. And I always knew I was going to get married young.

It was always something that I wanted. But I think now when I have really fun nights or like a fun weekend at Coachella or whatever it is, it's because they happen so much less than they used to that I really savor it and I soak up and I'm a lot more present because I don't know when it'll be like that again. Right. And I like that they're more few and far between now. Yeah.

I mean, I, in a similar way, like that's. kind of how I was in college. Like we'd go out like Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. And then when that ends and you go postgrad and you like once every two weeks, it's like, so it is like in a sense more fun because it happens less. And you're like you get everyone together and like. Even I feel like recently we had a game night at my best friend's house and we were all drinking wine.

We order a bunch of pizzas and we had the most fun, funny night. And I'm like, this is also really funny. It doesn't have to be going out and going and doing a whole big thing. And also just putting sweats on and getting in bed and watching Homeland. I was saying last night I was on FaceTime with someone and I came home and I was like putting my sweats on and I was like, is there any better feeling in the world than coming home from a long day and getting your sweatpants on? Or also fresh sheets and sweatpants? And sweatpants like a shower, sweatpants, bed, postmates, all of it.

I'm just like, I love it. Love it. I love that life. What's your next show that you're going to watch? I have to figure that out. I've been watching Tell Me Lies, which you have not caught up on. I'm not caught up. And I'm upset about it.

Is it that good this season? I think it's great. It just started. I heard Stevens like unhinged this season. Unhinged, unwell. I want to experience a Stephen. We all know one. I don't know if I know what Stephen.

You don't know. Any straight male that acts like Stephen? Come on. I don't think I have. Well, the thing is I don't have guy friends. Okay, fair. And it's such a red flag. You don't know a guy who a friend of yours is dated that gives that energy?

I do. There you go. So you do know one. I do. We all know one is the point. Back to the guy that I was talking about. Do you think, okay, do you think when you, I know you said you're like the I got to get settled in for this now.

You're like, the ick is in a thing. I know. You're like, the ick isn't a thing. thing you're like once you get married the ick isn't a thing but like no that's not what i said because you were saying something to me along the lines of like will i ever get over the ick and i was like wait everyone has things that are like quirks about themselves that we might find to be an ick don't you remember that trend that was on ticot when it was like girls were like posting icks of their boyfriend that they discovered and it would be like their boyfriend like swimming and then

they'd go down to their feet and it'd be like everybody gives icks like i don't care who you are i don't care what relationship you're in like right i live with myself and i ick myself out i i ike myself out always exactly and you're stuck with you so unfortunately literally unfortunately no everyone's sick it's like whoa this has been a rough forgot to take my inhaler today asthma no for my cough But do you have asthma? I have exercise-induced asthma. Maybe that's not a real thing, but.

Exercise-induced asthma? Yeah, like, exercise. Hold on, hold on. We got to look it up. Like, it's situational. Yes. Okay. Let's ask, hold on.

Is exercise? Yes, exercise-induced asthma is a real thing, though doctors now more accurately call it exercise-induced bronchial constriction. Oh, okay. So I was told I had that as a teenager, and I always had an inhaler for that, specifically. And now you have it for this cough. Yeah, but, you know, people, even if they don't have asthma and they get bronchitis, will get an inhaler because it's a spasm of the bronchial.

So the inhaler will help control the bronchial spasm. Big words. I'm obsessed with medicine. Are you really? Yeah. I would have, like, loved to be a doctor. What about medicine? I just am so fascinated with the body and medicine and doctors and I love it.

Are you hypochondriac? No, I'm not a hypochondriac, but I am somebody who's really Uber and hyper aware of their body. And then a couple years ago I had like a crazy medical situation. I had like a mini stroke. And then I found that I had this like heart defect that I was born with. So I had to get surgery for it, which sounds really crazy. but they went through my groin and it was like an I was only in and out of the hospital the same day. I had heart surgery and he was like, huh?

Like you cut your chest open. It wasn't that serious. And I think that situation made me a little bit extra hyper aware of my body and a little bit more nervous about things and like staying on top of them. But I've just always been really focused and fascinated on health. And it was also kind of what led me to want to do road. My obsession with skin care also comes from my obsession with, like, medicine. How long did this idea marinate before it became a real thing? Before I started really diving into developing it, which was in 2020, I thought about doing it

probably for four years, five years prior. Like, honestly, ever since I started modeling, I always knew I wanted to do something else. And I knew that I loved skincare and was always very obsessive with skincare. and taking care of my skin. So I knew I was going to go in that direction with it. I just never really thought about where I would start and the timing and the when and the how. But during the pandemic, I felt like there was time to finally sit down and think about it.

And we didn't know when the world was going to open back up. Open back up and get back to life. So I dove in in 2020. It's really and truly. I think it was the first, I told you, it's like the first skincare I've ever. used. Thank you. It's amazing. Thank you. It's like it eats. You know it eats. Thank you. I mean, listen, I wouldn't use anything that I don't think eats in your own words. Yes. Um, you know, I made the line to be something that I was going to use myself. And it's so funny when I see people sometimes online

be like, she doesn't use her own stuff. And I'm like, I quite literally use every single one of my own products. Of course, I use other things too. I've always talked about that. I've always said that. I do skincare treatments. I love micronealing. I, you know, I do other things to maintain my skin and keep it healthy and keep myself healthy. I also think skin is an internal thing as well. What you put into your body, what you take. I'm a huge vitamin taker.

Like, I take vitamins every single day, every single night. Really? Yeah. Like, which vitamins specifically? Like, I take, you're like, hold on, tell me everything. Like, I'll take something for my immunity. I take magnesium. I take something.

called like for my cortisol to keep like calm for my mood very calm thank you i appreciate that um just things that i feel like help keep everything in order like i'll take de bloat vitamins i'll take you know drink teas little elixirs i take collagen jellies like i need to get on this i have been doing this since i was a teenager really because i grew up in a household where my mom she's very homeopathic. So is my dad. And really into vitamins. And so like my whole life she had me taking like fish oils.

Me too. What? Yes. Every morning my dad would pour me a shot of fish oil with a little orange shoes because I couldn't take the whole thing. Every time my mom tried to get me to take it like raw on the spoon, I would vomit. Yeah. And so I was like, you have to give me pills.

Like this is impossible. I used to bite the pills open sometimes. She actually used to give me a little chew. There was like kids chewable DHA that. like it was supposed to like mask the taste it never did it it was disgusting but yeah i i feel like growing up in a household like that it like it set me up for the rest of my life to be so like i'm so crazy about taking my vitamins i travel everywhere with a little vitamin pill case do you travel a bunch um not as much as i used to definitely not as much as i used to which is really actually

nice because i used to be somebody who was such a little nomad and loved that and i loved moving around and bopping from city to city and seeing new places places and travel. And now that I have a family, I'm so much more settled and happy to just be. I love being home. Right. And have you taken Jack on a vacation yet? Mm-hmm.

Yeah. We've traveled with him a bit, yeah. Where'd you take him? He's been a couple different places. We just took him to Japan. I'm going there next week. Yeah, we have to have a discussion. I have lists.

I have everything. Japan's my favorite place. I didn't know that. And all my friends said, you message Haley every day. Go fucking ask her about Japan. Yeah. I have a lot of good recommendations for you. I'm going to Tokyo.

Do you eat everything? Everything. Okay, great. Everything. Great. The food there is like amazing, right? It will be the most insane food experience of your life. What's your favorite restaurant in Japan?

Ooh, that's so hard. One of your favorites. One of my favorites is a restaurant called Shima steak. Okay. Just the most insane steak ever and the most insane steak sandwich. Incredible. Tokyo? Tokyo.

Okay. I'm going to Tokyo. I'm going to Tokyo. And then we're going to Naseko. I've never been to Naseko. I would love to, but I've been to Kyoto and it's amazing. Apparently, like, I'm not going to want to leave Kyoto. You can walk into a 7-Eleven in Japan and eat, like, the best egg salad sandwich of your life and the best, like, fried chicken.

Like, it's... I hate egg salad. Oh, okay. Sorry. Something else. Something else. But, like, they're just... Everything is such good quality and so good.

Right. I'm going to try the egg salad. Yeah. No, don't try the egg salad if you don't like. No, there's better things. Everyone's fucking talking about the ex-sad sandwich and 7-Eleven in Japan. There's better things. You don't need to try it.

It's not a must. Okay. But I do need all your racks. And also, I do, I would like your shopping wrecks. I have all of it. I'm going to send you a list. Okay. The vintage is amazing.

Yes. Yeah. Apparently there's good watches. Literally walk into any vintage store and find great stuff. I'm so excited. And you guys just went to Tokyo and Kyoto or just Tokyo. We just went only to Tokyo this last trip that we were on. Justin's brand Skylark did a cool pop-up out there.

That was really amazing. So we went all together. And Jack loved it. I got to take him out there a bit and he was running around and having a good time. And it was great. I loved it. I was a little bit nervous to travel with him to such a far place with such crazy jet lag. But he was great.

He handled it so good. I feel like it's like a day ahead. I just honestly kept him on a, LA time. Right. So he kind of like slept in the day and was up at night, which was fine because I also, like we were staying on that same time kind of. So it worked out fine.

Do you want to have like a big family? I definitely want, I'm taking it one kid at a time. Yeah, I definitely do want one more. I'm not like in a rush, but definitely want one more. Maybe I'll have four more. Maybe I'll have three. I don't know. I really don't know.

I'm just taking it one day at a second. Have you always had? this day-by-day mindset or does it come with age? I'm actually such a future thinker and such a planner. Right. I'm somebody who really enjoys planning and it makes me feel good to like, I know where I'm going to be in like a month from now. You know, it's like I know my schedule.

I love being scheduled and regimented and vitamins and planning and, you know. Right. I'm very much that type of person. Are you the type of person that like journals a lot? I'm the type of person. where sometimes randomly if I am awoken with thoughts, I'll start writing things down to like get them out of my brain and write them down. I'm somebody who does better with talking about things than writing them down. Right. I don't know why journaling feels like a chore to me. It feels like tedious. It doesn't

feel I want to do things that feel relieving. Right. And it feels like a chore for me. Maybe that's like my own battle I got across, but I just, it's no way of it. No, but it also like. It hurts your hand. Also, like, journaling, you have to be so intentional with it. Like, I started the other week. And, like, I was like, I don't feel good because I'm writing horrible things about myself. You know what I mean? Because I'm just writing whatever is in my head.

But you know why that's good is that when even if that's what you're doing, not that you should ever be writing horrible things about yourself. But getting them, I think the whole point is getting them out of your brain. Right. Takes them out of your brain. So, like, getting it out and getting it onto paper, I think helps. release the thoughts. Right.

When you were, like, creating road, like, where did you keep all your ideas? Like, were you, like, did you, like, keep them on, like, your computer? Like, where did you, like, organize all your ideas? I had, I was writing things down in a notebook, just all my kind of, like, word vomiting ideas. And I was writing down what I wanted the products to be and the ingredient stories and, you know, things I wanted to look into for the formula. and stuff. And then I was making little decks on my iPad and on my computer and putting together

mood boards and putting photos together and writing down the name and making mockups of a logo. And when I went to the agency that we worked with for making the logo in the end and like the branding, it was like I had come to them already with like a brand deck and like had set all the stuff up. My nerdy brand deck. Are you an iPad kid? Yeah, kind of. So she just recently got one. Yeah. I use my iPad to walk. all my shows. Oh, really?

And then I used my computer to, I love to FaceTime for my computer. Same. And I love to make decks and like mood boards on my computer. Was it always road? Like, was that always the name? Like, did it just? It was always the name. Right.

And from the beginning, I always said too that I wanted it to feel like it could also be like a tech company. And that's kind of where the phone case came in. Did you, where did, how did the phone case happen? We were sitting in the office one day. and I had the sticky thing on the back of my phone. And I was sticking the lip treatment on the back of the sticky case. And I was looking at it and sitting there with my team and I was like, guys, first of all, this has to obviously exist, right?

Like, there's no way this isn't on Amazon right now. So I was sticking the thing on the back of the phone. I asked somebody to look it up to see if it existed and it didn't. So I said, let's do this. Let's see if we can make it happen. And my team is the very best of the. the best and they were able to find like an amazing person, a production person to make the cases. And do you, were there like multiple different mockups and like?

There were multiple different mock. I mean, I said to them from the beginning, it should be a thing where there's like a slot and a holder for it. And we looked at if it was just a holder, if it was a case, we looked at a, we did look at a lot of different versions of it. But it was something that I just did not anticipate going off. the way that it did. It took off.

And I think it was because the way it also shocked me that it didn't exist is it was, I think everybody's reaction was kind of the same as mine. Like, oh, duh, how did nobody ever think about this before? Right. And I've had so much fun with it. Now, like the snap on one is so fun. And there's ways to just kind of keep giving it new lives. And it's been so fun.

Do you, are you guys doing pimple patches? Did I? Yeah. We are doing pimple patches. Did they come out? No, they come out soon. In the spring. Okay, I'm so excited.

Around a certain time where another certain fun thing is happening. Shut up. Right. Right. Right. You know? What else are you excited about in the coming year? Well, honestly, I am really excited about the pimple patches because it took us, they were supposed

to have launched already, and it took us so long to get them right. And it was so interesting because so many great pimple patches do already exist, and I thought it was going to be one of our more simple things to create. and it ended up taking the longest of almost anything that we've ever created. Why did it take so long? I think because I'm really, really psycho-perfectionist and I want them to really do a certain thing. I don't ever want to create something if I think it's not the best of that version.

If it's not the best version of that thing that I think is out there on the market. And in my humble opinion, I do think they're the best pimple patches I've ever used. and I wanted that to be the case before we put them out into the world. And then it was like getting the shapes fun and the colors right. And it was just so much more of a process than I thought it was going to be. They're not just like little stickers that you stick on your face. They have a real function behind them that they do.

But the timing is going to end up being perfect. I'm glad that they're coming when they're coming. When another fun thing is happening. When another fun thing is happening. What was your like most like, oh my God, like this. Like it made you like you like look. look around and be like this brand is successful aside from selling it when people started coming up to me like out in the world and showing me the products in their bag or like when people when i started to

really see just people out on the street like they wouldn't even see me but i'd see them with the phone case i was like wow that's crazy like i'd walk by people would be i'd be driving in my car and i'd see someone like on the street holding the phone case to me that was the moment that i was like wow that is so cool to see people have this just in their everyday life like that. Oh, congratulations. Thank you. That's awesome. It's so fun.

Yeah. I love it. I'm so passionate about it. I know. It's great. I think it feels not as short for me because I started working on it in 2020. But obviously to go from a launch to an acquisition in three years, of course, is very fast. Yeah.

But yeah, I mean, for me, it was like fully a five-year journey, which is also still fast. Either way, regardless, but it's been an amazing ride. I love it. And I feel so much, even now, I have a whole new breath of life with it post the acquisition. I'm just, I feel even more motivated, more passionate, so many more things I want to do. And now that we have elf as a partner, I also feel I have more access to do that, which is exciting. Would you ever do like kids, like skincare and stuff? I've thought about it.

I definitely have because I stay super on top of my son's skincare. Like every single night slathered head to toe in moisturizer, face cream, like everything. I mean, obviously, like kids face cream is just, you know, very gentle, simple things. And I like to keep his skincare really gentle and simple. But I would think about it. Yeah, I'm definitely not opposed to it. It's cool. My favorite thing about Road is like, I feel like it sounds like an ad.

but it's not. It's like, it feel like it's so, like unisex and like everyone uses it. And that was my goal and that was my intention with it. That's why the colors, other than like the blushes and stuff, because that obviously,

you know, and anyone can use the blushes, but the color story with the skin care is very, you know, it's eggshell and sporty gray. And from the beginning, I kept saying, I want this to be a thing

where it's very sporty feeling and it feels like it's something that you can throw in your bag and take to the gym. or travel with easily, but also still really looks aesthetically pleasing in your bathroom and doesn't feel like anything else that's out there. Right. And so, yeah, that was my goal. I really wanted it to feel unisex.

Well, that's amazing. Thank you. Well, Haley, what are you therapist about today? You know, what's really annoying about these questions? Not that it's an annoying question. Let me know. Every time someone asks me something like this, like, what's your biggest pet peeve? And I'm like, hmm, I have so many.

I can't remember. And then the pet peeve will happen. And I'm like, why didn't I just fucking say that? I forget. No, always. What my answer is. And then I'll get in the car later and be like, oh, it's this thing. It's like blanking on a test.

You know what I'm therapist about today is this cough that I've had for like eight days? Right. I've had this cough for such a long time. Did you, you know the feeling of when it's like when you're like, oh, I wish I was more grateful of when I wasn't coughing? Yes. That's how I feel. I'm like, I will never take it for granted again. I know.

And then I will take it for granted. I'm therapist about. my new bladder oCD. Like you have to pee a lot? All the time. Don't they say that's an anxiety thing as well though? Oh, do they? Yeah.

Oh, well, I have to pee literally every five seconds. Oh, that's crazy. I know. Like, I have to pee. I can't go to, I pee every 10 minutes in bed. All the time? Yes, and so I have to sedate myself at night. So I just fall asleep without thinking about falling to sleep.

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So much shit. I don't go to anyone's page specifically to like watch a consistent person over and over again. But there are people that have popped up on my for you page that like pop up from time to time that I think are really funny. Right. But. Sorry. Sorry. Um, but TikTok's tricky for me, you know.

You're good at it. I feel like I'm not. Shut up. I feel like, you know what it is? I want to be that person who can set my camera up and just talk to it as if I'm talking to you at dinner. Uh-huh. But I get really nervous because people get really nitpicky and like pick everything apart and I just don't like dealing with that. But when I see girls just chatting as if they're talking to a best friend, I find that so.

cute and I just don't feel good at that because I start to feel a little bit like I can't fully be myself when I try to do that and I just think the only way to do it right is to just like fully be yourself and just talk and have a good time and be fun when did you start getting like nervous about like people like nitpicking things you do um when they started nitpicking everything that I do totally totally you know what I mean I feel like it got extremely bad when I got married and then everybody just every little thing I would say or do or every little movement I would make oh did you see when she like twitched her eye like that I'm like okay guys I'm just gonna keep to myself then which is kind of sad because I feel like I used to have a different relationship with

social media and I felt a lot more free to be myself and you know now I think I definitely keep to myself more because of how intense it's gotten for me but But I share what I want to share. And I don't share what I don't want to share. But I think you are good at TikTok in the sense that like you do do things that like, I make my cute little videos. I make my cute little videos. Face mask with the sushi.

Yeah. Did you think like, wow, this is a skill? No, I was just being funny because I had posted another video. I didn't know it was a thing. I had posted another video eating sushi with a face mask. And a bunch of the comments were like, damn, that's impressive. I look insane when I'm trying to eat with a face. mask on and I was like oh I didn't know this was like a conversation and I was already I was starting to

develop this sheet mask with road and I was like don't worry girls like I'm going to make you a face because a lot of the mouth holes on the face mask they're so like small right and so I was joking and I was like I'm going to make one that's like easy to eat in which actually was part of the conversation of the face mask that we were developing I'm like I want the mouth hole to like actually feel comfortable because who doesn't love sitting in a mask and eating food and just like being in your PJs at home and but yeah I mean I do love TikTok as like a point of connection with people I do like making my little videos and my little get ready with me things but people are really funny on TikTok like some things that I come across have me cracking up I love it I feel like TikTok sometimes in a weird way like gets me outside the house

Like I'm on like, in a weird way because I'm like, oh my God, these people are having so much fun. I want to have fun like these people are having fun. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I find so many. I'm such a big foody. Mm. I just love food and I love to discover a new yummy thing. And one of my best friends is the same exact way. And so we just, our whole thing is just sending back and forth food.

Food. Foody things on TikTok like random places in L.A. we've never heard of and never been to. And like, that's also one of my favorite things about TikTok is I've discovered great food. I actually ordered sushi from a spot last night that I saw on TikTok and it was so. What place? It's called boss sushi.

Never heard of it. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. And I ordered it last night and it was on, I'm like, I'm going to go here. Well, now I'm giving it away. Is it where is it? I think it's on Las Egana. Oh, I don't know the street names.

Oh. I don't drive. Do you know like where Matsuhisa is? Yes. Okay, so that's La Sienega. Oh, shut up. Yeah, swear. What's your favorite restaurant in Los Angeles?

What kind of food? Anything. Jake, get more specific. Okay, anything, but not a steakhouse. It can't be a steakhouse. Okay. I don't really go to a steakhouse out here anyway. I hate steakhouses.

You can't just say you hate steakhouses, period. Have you ever been to four, Charles, in New York? No, I've heard it's amazing. Okay, well, that's technically a steakhouse. Okay, right, okay. So no Okay, favorite Italian restaurant I have to say Georgia Obald

I know, I agree I love it I love it so much It's just tried and true And like I've never had a bad meal there ever Have you ever been to Toscona Mm-mm Okay, so I drive by it a lot Amazing and I always wonder about it

It's really good Okay, that's good to know That's sushi. And Omicasse that I know Is always gonna hit really well Sushi Park, you knew I was gonna say that Hello, duh And then I think sushi fu-me is amazing.

Amazing. Like really, really love. Because I love going to a place that's like, I want a great miso soup. I want great rolls. I want, you know, cucumber salad. I want all the things. And they have all the yummy things. Do you like Thai food?

Love. Have you been to Anna Jack? Of course. That's also one of my favorites. Fire. It is one of the best restaurants, I think, of all, like, of all time. Of all time. Yeah.

Have you had there, do you, are you, do you eat like red meat? Have you out there Chinese sauce? It I just had that for the first time. Holy shit. My friend ordered it and I had never had it before and I was like, why is this the best thing? It tastes like buttery and just like, it's sweet. It's so good. It's so fucking good.

It's so good. It's crazy. And then obviously the noodles, the Patsyu is amazing. Fuck, I think I'm going to get that for dinner tonight. How good. So good. Yeah. There's this place called Starboard.

Have you ever had Starboard? Best fried chicken in Los Angeles. Oh, okay. I did it for like, like, I did like a hot ones thing and they like did the, they had it from there. And they, and I was like, let me try it without the sauce. Can you tell me something about hot ones? Yes. Is it like that bad?

Like the sauces are really that crazy. I've never done. Expose them. No, I've never done like the full, the full to do. I've never done like the, like the Sean's hot ones. I've done like, what have I done? But you did the last dad. Like you did the spiciest sauce.

He did three. It's like the one where you're not famous enough. Like, that's what I did. But you had the sauces. Not all of them. No, it's not that bad. Do you like spicy food though? Love more than anything in the world.

Yeah, me too. More than anything in the world. Love, love, love. Thai food is my favorite food in the world. Thai food and Japanese food. Okay, I would agree with that. But Japanese food isn't like super spicy. No, it's not.

It can be. It can be. But it's not like, yeah, it's not that crazy. What's your favorite, like, chain restaurant? You're like, okay, I can go here. like across America and be like this is my favorite. Across America. Okay, let me give you one in L.A.

that I think forever is really delicious. It's not a place that I think it's like a go and sit, but Bossa Nova is so good to me. I see it on Postmates every night. And I always scroll. I always kind of like look at the menu. Let me say one thing about Bossa Nova. I love Bossa Nova.

As I just stated. My mom is from Brazil, so like I am very, picky about Brazilian food. And obviously, Bosanova has, like, this massive menu. You can get anything. Chicken Alfredo pasta

and also get, you know, but they're a known, like, it's Brazilian, you know, based. And they do this,

like, delicious, these delicious protein plates. Like, you can get, like, a chicken plate with, like, beans and rice.

If that's, like, your thing and you can do that. I think it's delicious. I think for somewhere that is kind of like a fast foody, not fast food, but like a,

chain that, you know, is a takeout kind of situation. The quality is delicious. Also, if you're Brazilian, you know what Ponchkeju is, which is like these little cheesebreads. Some of my favorite in L.A. that I found is the Bosnova Ponchkeju. I don't know if they make it from scratch or not, but it's so good. And sometimes I'll literally just order that from there. And there's also this soda from Brazil called Guadana that I love. and they have it at Bossa Nova,

so sometimes I literally will just order Bonsu Kajju and Guadana and call it a day. But I've ordered from there literally for years. Okay, maybe I'll finally give it a go. And it's still just as delicious. Give it a go and they're open really late.

They are. Sometimes when you're coming home, like, on a late night and you're starving and you don't want to eat pizza. I hate pizza. You what? I hate pizza. Period.

Period. Why? I don't know. I don't. No. Do you hate cheese? No, I like cheese. I think it's like I like protein.

Yeah. I don't know what it. I don't know what it, what is it? You love protein being the reason? You love rice. I don't know what it is. Do you like pasta? Love.

Do you like dessert? I love dessert. Do you like ordering dessert at a restaurant? Every single time. Every single time? Every single time I go out to eat. I ask to see the dessert menu. No, you don't.

What is that? Why are you so irked by that? Wait, like, and you... What is the irk with that? You don't like, you're not like, oh my God, I have to go. I have to go. I have to get the fuck out of here. No. We don't have the same issue with that.

I have to go an hour or less. No, I get it. If I'm at the end of a very long dinner and I need to get home, I will skip it because I just cannot wait any longer. But like, I'm the type of person. Well, well, we're still having the meal. I'll ask to see the dessert menu to like rush. While you're still having the meal.

Well, I'm still having the meal. That's usually most of the time what I do. Have you had the mango sticky rice at Anna Jack? It's amazing. You've never had it? No, it's amazing. I'll eat that. Okay, thank you.

So you're not like an anti-deserved person. No, I just. I just, I need a sweet bite at the end of a really savory meal. I have to have it. Go to go Greek. So you'd rather stop at another place? Yes. That's worse to me than waiting for the dessert at the restaurant.

Oh, I need to move. I get it. Have you ever been to Friendlies? Of course. I'm from the East Coast. That's why I was asking. Yeah. Best.

You know, I think they're like shutting down. That's sad. Friendlies is this chain on the East Coast. You can get like a burger and fries, but then like an amazing ice cream Sunday. Like the most insane ice cream sundaes you'll ever have ever in your entire life. So good. Fuck.

They got to bring Friendlies back. I know. Oh my God. I haven't had Friendlies in such a long time. I know. And like, think about that. I know. And I would say, would you not agree that the East Coast, when I was growing up, we had like

our, those little soft serve ice cream shops. Better. Like the small town drive up ice cream shops that you would go for like a straight up cone with a twist. Yes. We had so many of those in the area where I grew up. And I think about it now. And I'm like, I wouldn't know where to go for that in L.A.

They don't have that here. They don't have it in the same way. where it's like a little stand that you walk up to and just order at the window and you could get, you know, an ice cream sundae or like a cone with soft serve or like a chocolate dip. You know what I mean?

Have you ever been to heavy-handed? Uh-uh. Do you like that? No, I have. I've had the burgers. I've never been there, but I have a dipped cone. Oh, really? Okay, I need to go there. Fire.

Okay. I need to go there. Fire. Like, stupid. Like, it's like actually the best thing ever. But that's so East Coasty to me. It is very east. Like everywhere you, you could go be in New Jersey, you could be in New York, like, you can find one in any little, like, town on the East Coast.

Do you think you want to live in L.A. forever? Like, do you want to raise kids here? Or do you want to? I think I do for now, because this is where we are. I think as they get, as, you know, my son gets older and if I have more kids, we'll see. But we kind of move around a lot as it is. Yeah. Yeah, we travel. Like, we bop around a little bit. So I don't always. feel like I'm just stationary here. Right. We'll see. I don't think I'll ever move back to like New York or anything. I kind of want to move to New York. Really?

I know. It's just the dating like the dating pool there. I think it's bad everywhere. No, but like here I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't anymore. I get it.

I've ran. I think I ran through. Like I said, I think I'm like, but not even sexually. Like I'm ran through like on the app. Like I'm ran through. through talking, I can't find people. They're like, I'm on Hinge and they're like, we have no one to show you.

Do you know how sad that is for Hinge to be like, we have no one to show you? There are no new people to show you. And I'm like, I'm in Los Angeles. But I feel like everyone feels that way. It's hard. Yeah. But I, I want a New York summer. That's what I want.

I want a New York summer. That sounds fun to me. Yeah. I want Brat Summer 2.0. I feel it in my bones and I want it. Yeah. I feel like this year is going to be an amazing. year, an amazing summer.

Please. It's going to be great. Don't you worry. This summer was boring. This last summer I was bored. 2025 was like an interesting year to me. It felt like a very transitional year. Like I had so much happened for me in that year.

It was like I had my son in 2024 going into 2025 and then it was like my first real year of motherhood and I sold my company. It was like there was just like it was such a big transitional year for me that I feel like now in 2026 I feel very settled. So it makes me more excited for this year. Yeah, I'm excited, I think. How old are you? Yes.

26. Yes. Yes. I was going to say 25 or 26, but. Somebody once sat there and looked me dead in the eye and guessed 31. What? Yes. You do not look 31, not even close.

Thank you. Thank you. My husband's 31 and I don't think you look. He's 31. He also looks a lot younger than 31. He looks very young. Yeah, he's almost 32. Where in Canada is he from again?

He's from a town called Stratford. Is that near Toronto? It's like two hours outside of Toronto. Because I'm going to Toronto tonight. I was like, I need Toronto. You're going to Toronto tonight? Yes, do you have a rec. Oh my God, yeah, I do.

You're going to have fun. I'm excited. I have a couple wrecks for you. Are you ready to get into the tummy what's wrongs? Oh, is this the part where you read things? Yay, this is fun. I'm genuinely so scared to hard launch my new relationship of a few months. Everything in my life will change.

Like he's my best friend's stepbrother and she's. doesn't know. Oh, we all go to the same college, so I really don't want to make it weird, but we've fallen for each other and decided to keep it a secret up until now. In case things didn't work out, but now it's too far and I'm not ready for all this pressure. How do we break the news? So my advice would be go sit down with your friend first and say, hey, I didn't want to say anything until I knew what this was, but this is the situation. Obviously, that's tricky if it's their stepbrother, but... If you guys are in love, you're in love.

Like, what is anybody going to do? I would just have a conversation with your friend first before they find out another way and feel hurt. What's your favorite besides swag? Favorite just album? Because I have mine. Journals is mine. Really?

Yeah. That's my best friend Peyton's too, who's like the biggest, biggest believer. And then other than that would be purpose. Mine's justice. Really? You don't understand? I, that album, I texted it in my group chat today. Front period two, period.

back period and then I wrote Followed up and it's that serious And it's that serious. What was your fit? Did you get to go to the justice store? No. Oh, sad. And I lost my virginity to ghost. Oh my God, Jake. I lose my virginity to ghosts but I lost my virginity that night and I went home and justice had come out. So I was like, let me just go listen to justice. And I listened to Ghost on repeat my bed. Which means for the guy lost my virginity too.

Right. What was you, what's your favorite song off that? album. A ghost, of course. But I love off my face. I love as I am. I love, um, I love, um, Oh, you're gonna be like, are you gonna cry at Coachella? Yeah. Stop it. Um, I love, um, wait, uh, you are the only, is that, anyone. Anyone. I love that song. Um, I found my dad is having an affair with my stepmom via text messages. Well, wait. Wait. What? What? So he's having an affair on your stepmom or with your stepmom? Okay. Okay.

Oh, okay. Okay. And he's freaking out so much that he's offering to pay my rent for the next six months, period. So, like, what do I do? Because I'm not super shocked this happened, but I actually really like my stepmom. But damn, mama could really use that rent. Help. I would say, if you're really close with your dad, it's probably about having a conversation

with your dad and being like, look, I don't feel comfortable knowing this information. please stop trying to bribe me into like not saying anything i think it's a conversation of saying it's not fair for you to ask me to keep this a secret when it's such a big deal i do have respect for my stepmom and i really like her it's on you to have a conversation with her i'm not going to tell you you have to do it tomorrow but if you don't have a conversation with her i will i will will help. And rent could keep me quiet for like the next six weeks. I would take the rent.

If I were you, I would take the rent. But is it take the rent and don't say anything? Because that seems a little mean. Take the rent and be like, but at the end of the six months when you're paying the rent, like say something. Like, that's what I would do. I don't think it's about the person saying something.

I think it's about having the conversation with the dad to be like, you need to say something like this is your relationship. you're disrespecting the person that you're married to. Thousand. And the fact that your own child has to even tell you that is beyond me. But, you know, I think it's about saying like, you're better than this and have a conversation with her. I wonder what I would prescribe for that. Maybe what's that movie with Cameron Diaz, Nicky Minaj.

Oh, yeah, the other woman. The other woman. Yeah. Best. Great movie. Best. Jake and gorgeous guest. You.

I'm a brand new mother, 14 months. And my husband is very heavily hinting that he wants. wants to start our next. I do want more children. The issue is your girl is exhausted. He's great honestly and helps a lot, but I don't think I'm ready to go through it again so soon. He's so sweet, but how do I bring this up to him without breaking his heart? It's your body. You have to just do what feels good for you. Carrying a baby and giving birth and the first whole entire year of motherhood is so intense and so crazy that I would hope that your partner would be understanding enough to know that and know that it really should,

it can be your decision together, but definitely there shouldn't be any pressure on when. And I think there's always like a kind and sensitive way to just say, hey, I'm not ready right now. I live with three other girls and one of them is so selfish. Like hasn't brought anything to our living situation. On top of that, she's a pathological liar and always lies about her relationships.

She's a total social climber. Literally, how do I manage living through the rest of the semester? or possibly humble her. Just have an honest conversation. Wow. That doesn't work for everyone, especially liars. I know. I'm saying, oh, sorry, run that back.

She said she's a crazy liar. Yeah. Oh, okay, I missed that. I missed that. Yeah, pathological liar. Oh. Ooh. I know, and she's stuck for the rest of the semester.

Dealing with a pathological liar is crazy. I can't stand a liar and I catch them every single time. Do you call them out? Liars? Yeah. Of course. If it's like a. bad enough situation.

I hate people that lie. I mean, listen, I think we all, like, are capable of telling lies and lying and little white lies, but, like, an actual pathological liar that you can, like, catch. It's a different breed. That continues to then, don't get me started because it, like, pisses me off to no end. Start. Start. What's the craziest lie you've ever caught someone in? I can't stand a person who is the...

I didn't say that. Oh my God, I just like sleeper cell. Like I'm like I. Because you did say that. No. No, but you very blatantly did say that. And then and then it makes you feel super crazy because then I'm like,

well, did they not? Like that is my least favorite thing ever. Yeah, that makes I get really angry too. I also like can't lie because I'm like, my OCD is very like, you like, I'm very like superstitious. Yeah. So I'm like, if I lie, I'll get bad luck. Like if I like tell this lie like bad things.

will happen because I'm like I just think also think the older you get you realize how much easier it is to just own up to something and move past it than it is to lie and keep the lie going right like I get anxiety when I'm watching TV shows and they're lying lying lying lying and covering it up and I'm like do you know how much carry you lied no I didn't yes you did you texted me last she texted me last night I can't because somebody said to her you lied and she said I'm like the amount of times carry on homeland somebody will say to her you lied to me and she goes no i didn't yes you did though like i get anxiety for characters and tv shows when i'm like do you know how much easier this would be if you just told the truth told the truth like this lie is going to like spiral out of control and it's going to be a

crazy thing that like gives me anxiety for people that are made up i'm trying to think of like i just i also just watched a show where that happened and i maybe it was pieced in me i forget but I remember being like I've never felt this type of way ever in my entire life. No, I get so much anxiety about it. I'm like, just deal with it. Tell the truth. Do you watch industry? Mm-mm.

Okay, that's like a theme in industry. You would love industry. I'm gonna start it. I've been seeing so much about it. Maybe that's my next watch. It's, she's seen it twice through. It's so good. So good.

It's like, fine. That's my next. You will. She'll love Yaz. Your Roman Empire is going to be Yaz. Whatever that means. No, like you are going to love her. It is the best.

on television. Okay, great. It's the best show on television. Oh my God, love. Yeah. And there's three seasons to watch and the just- More for me and Jake to text about. Yes.

Before Road was available in Sephora. Oh, yeah. You'd like, hey, like I really need more glazing milk. It's my favorite product. And what did I do? You said it to me on a Sunday. Because me and Jake, we met at the gym. We did.

We actually should give our backstory. I met Jake at Allo, yoga. Sounds very L.A. But it's the truth. But it's the truth. We met at the gym. and you just have such a gorgeous personality. And you're so fun and so funny.

And I was like, I like him. Oh, I like you. I know. And here we are. Well, speaking of fitness and aloe, this question is, I really need to turn around my fitness goals for this year. Jake and presuming sexy guest. I've noticed you've been working out a ton and want to know your take on motivation.

I have none. I can't get out of bed in the morning unless I have to. And I'm not like sad or anxious. I'm just like kind of not putting in the effort. What are some pointers for getting that discipline back? Thanks. Mine is like toxic. So, but I'm just going to say it.

Like, you have to look at people you're jealous of. Like, you have to. Like, I wasn't going to work out the other day. And somebody popped up on my feed. They were working out. I was jealous of them. It was another gay guy. And I was like, I have to get my ass up.

You were like, I got to do it. And also there be, tell me if you disagree, but they're constantly. I don't think that has to be seen as jealousy. I think that could be seen as like, motivation. Thousand. I actually really appreciate your honesty about it being about jealousy because I think that's so honest.

But it also is just motivation. Right. You know what I mean? My thing is like also I got to a point. Tell me if you disagree when what I started working out where like it actually like I felt better in the head. A hundred percent. It's amazing for your mental.

And when you start working out because it makes you feel better in the head because you're thinking less about your body. A hundred percent. It comes like this. Louise literally looked at me and was like, I feel like everything you've been doing, like it all hit at once. Yeah.

And it's because I switched my meds and I stopped thinking about my body as much. Yeah. Everything was like working in sync, which is amazing. Like the mind body, soul body connection is so real. And I think when you do, when you're somebody who doesn't work out and then you do start working out, I think when that clicks for you,

that everything is so connected, you start to be like, oh my God, I feel better here, I feel better here, my body feels better. And then also you start seeing results. And that makes you want to keep going because you're like, I look good, I feel good from the inside to the outside. And it's all one big connection. I guess my advice for that person would be start slow. Start with little things.

Go for a 20 minute walk. Like literally just start by going for a walk, walking 20 minutes on the treadmill, whatever it is. You don't have to start by going to like hit classes. You know what I mean? I think people think they have to sweat and do a crazy thing. It's like you really don't have to do all that. You can start slow.

Try something new. Like take it step by step. Start by walking. Then try like a class or try, you know, Pilates or something that's a little bit more easy or just like go. Just go slow. I feel like the misconception with working out and you just like touched on this is that like faster and harder and sweatyer means you're losing more weight. Not at all. True.

Not at all. Do you do 12.3.30? No. Okay. So that's what I started doing. I've done it before. I don't know that I would call it 12.3.30. Like, I just would do incline walking.

But that is the magic trick, walking. Yeah. Walking is just, when I, after I had my son, the first thing I started doing was walking. When I was, like, trying to lose the rest of my baby weight. I started with walking. I started doing like a lot of like rehab, like super slow, meticulous. I didn't get in the gym and start. doing jumping jacks because i felt like you can't you feel like your whole entire insides are

going to fall out you start jumping after you have a baby but i started with walking i'm like i love walking and the stairmaster i'm a big stare master fans stairmaster eats yeah um my ex is doing all this weird shit to get my attention and it's driving me crazy he keeps dropping off like dead ass mix tapes on my porch coming by my work to order food like almost every day he doesn't even order from me. Oh, I guess this is a person as a service worker. And my friend told me he's trying to grow out a beard for me. Like, I've never even indicated that I'd be into that sort of thing. I feel like I'm going crazy. Well, that sounds like maybe a restraining order. Yeah, I was going to say that sounds like a person you've obviously had clear conversations with and is just not respecting that.

That's a tough one. Can't say I've been in that one before. Well, I definitely have it because you know I've never had a boyfriend. Right. We've talked about this. I'm sure we have. But you want to know why I don't think that's sad because then I think what's going to happen is you're going to like meet the one. And then it's just going to be like your beautiful story. I didn't really date like that.

I didn't have like multiple boyfriends in my lifetime before I got married. But I'm 26. So you've a whole life ahead of you. But that's what I'm trying to say is like that just means to me that when you do end up in a relationship, it's going to be like a really beautiful like, because it's like you'll have like waited to be in that special thing with that special person.

I know. You told me 29 was so young. You're 26. Like we're babies. We are babies. We are in Sex and the City. Are they all like 30? Yeah.

Oh, maybe they're like 32, I think. Like they're a little bit. Yeah, they're in their 30s. And it's that you like the show? I loved the show. Like you laughed out loud at the show. I did. Okay.

We're going to start texting about Carrie. Okay. I think I'm going to give it a go. Well, I'm doing the Americans now. I'm on my spy kick. Great. Love that. Didn't you dress up as spies for Halloween once?

This year. No, last year we were Kim Possible. Oh, that's what I'm thinking of. And this year we were the Incredibles. That's what I'm thinking of. And Jack was Jack. Yeah, it was so cute. He liked the little thing.

That is really cute. And I dressed him up as baby Justin, which was like so cute and funny. I mean, that rocked my world. It was crazy. That rocked my world. It was so funny. Hi Jake. I love you. Love you.

My cousin and I were best friends our whole life. We live together and spend all our time together. I have had a boyfriend for five years and I've always made time to hang out with her. She's had multiple boyfriends and every single time she gets one. She ditches me and never hangs out with me. That's literally going to be me. Never even text, calls or anything. She always comes crawling back whenever her and whatever boyfriend she has at the time breaks up.

What the fuck do I do? How do I stop letting her come back and use me when it's convenient for her? Well, I'm the cousin, so I can't. I can't give advice on this. I guess my question would be, have you told your cousin how you feel and that you feel like she comes back to like use your relationship when it's convenient for her? I think, I just think you can never lose by being honest when you go to somebody that you have a close relationship with and say, hey, this is how you've been making me feel and I just

need to say it and have a conversation with you because like, what do you lose by being honest? They don't have to agree with you. They could be offended by what you say. but what do you lose by being honest? I guess maybe for people that are people pleasers. Which I am, by the way. I'm like the most massive people pleaser, but the older that I've gotten,

it has gotten easier for me to just, because I've so much more thought, well, what do I have to lose? If you get mad at me for expressing myself and laying out a boundary, then you're not really supposed to be here anyway, and I should know that, right? I think people that, like when I used to be scared of that,

it's like I feel like maybe I'm dismantling the entire relationship we've built because it's built on me not being honest with you and me pleasing your interests. You know what I mean? But people are allowed to change. Totally. So maybe it was built on that in the beginning

because you didn't have the confidence or the personal boundaries to be able to say what you needed to say or do that, but you've grown, your older time has gone on. So like you've evolved into a person that now can do that. I'm only saying this out of personal

being able to relate to that. And I feel like it got even crazier for me. after I had a kid. Whereas like before, it was really hard for me to be, to set really clear boundaries with people because I was, I'm such a people pleaser and I struggle with that. I'm like, I don't want them to get mad. I hate people being mad at me.

More than anything. I hate people being mad at me. I get such bad anxiety. I hate feeling like I have issues with people. Like I hate it, hate it, hate it. Like I would rather squash anything, figure anything out just to like have like clear slates with anyone and everyone.

Yeah. And then I realized as I got older, it's just like, that's just not possible with every single person because everybody's different and we have different views and different opinions and you grow away from people and you have to be able to set clear boundaries. And after I had my son, I was just like, wait, it's so much easier to just draw a line and be like, hey, I actually, like, that doesn't work for me anymore and that doesn't make me feel comfortable. and like I'm not I'm not doing this anymore. Is it because you feel like you have this like person that like you created and like you're taken care of so you can like not not like rationalize but like maybe like ground yourself? I think what it is is a couple different things. I think you are their advocate.

And then it may for me personally it made me realize I'm his advocate. Therefore I'm also my own advocate. and if I would stick up for him in any situation, like I would never, ever, ever let, as a parent, you're so protective of your kid. And I'm like, it made me that protective of myself too. If I'm his advocate, I can be my own advocate. If I could stand up and say anything to anybody for him,

then I can do it for myself. And listen, I've always been the type of person where I have a strong personality. And when you push me to a certain point, I'm going to say what I need to say. Like I'm not shy about, and I never was. I'm the type of person where, yes, I've struggled with being a people pleaser, wanted people to like me.

I hated ruffling feathers. I was like not super confrontational. But with the people I trust and I'm close to, if you want to go there, we can go there. And like if you push me, then I'm going to go there. It's just that I'm at a point in my life now where it doesn't take much for me to go there. I'm not going to hold back how I feel about a situation. And I think I've just been in situations in my life where I've tried and tried constantly over and over again, put myself out there with certain people, like, did the same thing over and over until I just was pushed to a point where I'm like, I'm going to just say what I need to say because like this has reached a point where now you're like taking advantage and I can't. What is it like to not want conflict and be a people pleaser when you are a.

public person your job is public and like people get upset over things that you didn't intend it's a struggle you know what i mean i i i still am a people pleaser i'm still somebody who i want people to like me i want i think it's actually it's it's turned into more of like i i want to be understood and i think that it's so easy to misunderstand people and pick things apart and see like a tiny sliver of such a bigger picture. And I do think I've realized that there's just no explaining yourself, no amount of explaining yourself. I think I used to struggle so much with over explaining myself

and trying to explain who I am to people and like, this wasn't my intention and this was, and that's not what happened and this is. And that's not the truth and but this is, but it really doesn't make a difference at all. And it took me so many years. is to realize it. And I still struggle with it sometimes. But at a certain point, you have to be able to just be like, okay, and just keep it moving and move on. It doesn't mean it hurts any less. It doesn't mean that it doesn't bother me any less. But I think you deal with it for so many years that you have to be able to be like, okay. But then also, again, having boundaries and protecting yourself is also okay. And it's also completely fair to stick up for yourself when you feel that it's necessary. I think it's about like picking your battles, but I still struggle with being a people pleaser.

I don't know that that's ever going to just like magically disappear one day. Yeah, because at the end of the day, it's like, that's who you are. It is. It is. I think like innately we want to, I don't even want to say be liked, but I think like we want to feel connected to each other. And I think when you feel like somebody doesn't like you, it feels like you're disconnected from that person. and like they aren't giving you the chance to connect. You like,

you think maybe like you're doing something wrong too. You're like, what am I doing wrong that like isn't allowing this like puzzle piece to work? It feels a lot like, well, what did I ever do to you? It makes you feel like that you've done something to make them not like you. And I think that's on like a massive level when you're in the public because it's like, well,

what the fuck did I ever do to you? I don't even know you. And then it's that times like millions of people. And then you get caught up in a cycle of constantly trying to prove yourself, I'm here to prove why you should like me and why I didn't do that thing that you said that I'm doing it. It can be like really mentally exhausting and crazy. Do you have anyone you like go to for like advice? I mean, I have friends that are in, you know, similar position and have been in it way longer than I have and they get it more than anybody does. So I feel happy

and grateful that I have people that I can that can totally relate to. it and be like, yep, totally get it, feel the exact same way. It's so annoying. At least we have each other to vent. What's the best advice you've ever been given on like your like career and life and like being frustrated? Not responding is probably the best. Every time I've wanted to react to something or respond to something in a space where I was worked up about it. And I went to a friend that was like do not respond to this do not react to to to this as hard as that is they always ended up being right that not reacting and not responding was the best thing to do and just ignoring and keeping life moving because the reality is people will be on to something else they'll they'll move on to the next subject

they'll move on to the next thing and I think a big mistake that I've made many times in my life was like responding or reacting and explaining myself and then like making the situation way bigger Yeah. You know. Well, Haley, what did we learn today? That Carrie is manic. She is manic. We learned that you love your supplements.

Love my supplements. Love my vitamins, all of it. And that I need to try Bosanova Brazilian cuisine. And that you need to try Bosanova. What's your favorite protein? Do you like chicken? What a great question? What's my favorite protein?

Because you just said before you don't like pizza because you love protein. Which by the way. Which is what we learned today. Which is, by the way, a lie. Like that, I think I was just pulling anything to, like, excuse why I don't like pizza. I think chicken. Okay. I think, like, a good chicken thigh.

Like, a juicy, charred, grilled, spiced chicken thigh. Yum. Yeah. Yeah, I'm so with you on that. What's your favorite protein? Can this be the opener teaser? Can this be the teaser for the episode? So what's your favorite protein?

I would say chicken as well. It's amazing. Yeah. It's amazing. is really good. Well, thank you for being my season premiere. Thanks for having me. I love you.

I love you. We've been talking about this for so long. I know. I'm so happy. We finally made our pen pal relationship. We did. It's so real because Jake sends me screenshots between him and his love interests. And it's like, what do I do?

What do I say? And I'm like, I was like, oh, I thought what he said was like kind of really nice. No, it's not. That's the worst part, though. What do you mean? I'm telling you, here's my plan. I'm gonna go back in three months. He sent me something and I was like,

well, at least he was really honest with you. Like, I think that's. And what did I say? And you were like, here, let's read it. Hold on. Wait, but you know that this is after one date, right? What? Wait, yeah.

No judgment. That is totally fine. But what I am going to say is, is it, okay, let me ask you this actually because now we have some of the details. Is it, do you, did you feel? like crazy rejected or something because he hung out with you one time and you felt like he made a decision about you and hadn't given you the chance

to get to know you enough? I said some pretty outrageous and outlandish things. Okay so you said this texted me morning, woke up to this literally feel physically ill. Literally feel physically ill. And then I said oh gee, I mean props for the honesty

you said I don't buy it but yeah. Because I don't. I don't. And then and then follow-up text. Two questions for you. Is it okay if I wear road eye patches in my promo video for season three of therapists? Yes. I'm not going to read the time. Now I feel like I'm like, oh, you sent me another one. You said, home land time after the worst weekend of my life. Because it was the worst. I was a, I was a mess. First of all, he sends me screenshots of this text with this guy.

number isn't saved. I have this person's phone number. I could text him if I wanted to. And then you go for context on my horrible weekend where you said we went on one date. I see, I did. At least I'm at least I'm somewhat honest. And I said dating is truly hell. It's hell. It's hell. And then you said, sorry, I know you don't care, but we'll literally talk to anybody about this situation who will listen. And then I say, no, I care. No, I care. No, I care. We'll talk about it with you all day if you needed me too. How nice. She's like, go get fucked.

Seriously, please catch a dick. And then we just jump right back into homeland. Of course. You need to start industry. That is what we lived. Okay, I will. I will, I will, I will. But we do need a show that we watch together.

You know what I will say about this guy is that maybe you guys can circle back to it in like a little bit and like maybe when he doesn't feel like it was so intense. Listen to her, please. I'll send you road eye patches. And among other things, she's also launching pimple patches. Whatever you want, just to give him another chance. Glazing milk, glazing spray. You're a catch. 10 out of 10.

Stop it. And if he doesn't want to hang out with you again, then his loss. Your loss. And mine. Jake, stop. And mine. Pussies, thank you for joining us for the premiere season three with the one and only, Hilly Beaver.

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