Therapuss with Jake Shane - Session 118: Charlize Theron

Episode Date: April 30, 2026

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Hi Pussies. Welcome back to Therapus. I just got out of the shower, which is why my hair is looking a little messy. It's a little wet. I feel like I need a little bit of a haircut is now what I'm realizing. Well, it's just me for the intro today. So I'm trying to think of what to say. I'm in, well, I've been vintage shopping lately in case anyone is curious. Manny knows. And this is a video. vintage shirt that I bought. And I'm really pumped about it. And my entire closet is full of vintage stuff now. So I can't wait to feel like a vintage girl. My stomach hurts. My back hurts. My back kills, actually.

And it's gotten to the point where I can't tell if my back actually hurts or I'm just making it up at this point. Because I have an addiction now to feeling like the little. knot in my back right there and like rubbing my fingers off and on it. So I wonder if this is just what my life is now. I feel like maybe I gave myself a back problem because I really, my back was hurting really badly the other day. And then I put on a hoodie wrong.

And it was like the most, like it made the most sense for how it happened for me. I was watching a basketball game. I was watching these men sweat and like fight over this ball like for, for, you. Two hours, like falling, jumping, all this stuff. I'm literally just sitting. All of a sudden, I put my hoodie on to get up and leave, back pulls. I felt like, of course, you know, I didn't even, and then these men do this every day. So if you're new here, this is not usually how things go.

I usually have a friend with me. Oh, I guess, well, today is technically Wednesday. So I'm going to New York, Wednesday night. which is tonight. I'm so excited. We're recording some fun therapist episodes. And I'm just excited to be in the city in the spring. Like, New York really is at its best in May.

And I cannot wait to be able to experience it. Although I'm trying not to drink right now, which I keep failing at. But I'm really, really going to try this weekend to not drink. And if I come out of this weekend without having drank, I will be so proud of myself. but I am smoking every day. And I am realizing that the weed is making me incredibly paranoid.

I had a moment the other night where I thought I was schizophrenic because when I was watching television, my sound was off. So when people were speaking, the sound of people speaking was off to the actual audio. And then I was like, you know what? Fuck it. I'll just watch it on my computer. But then I convinced myself the same thing was happening on my computer. So I was like, oh, it's happening. The big man's here.

Like, I'm schizophrenic. Because it's like, if you know, you know, like, that's my number one fear of schizophrenia. And I, um, sorry. Like, what are you talking about? I'm enjoying it. Because Manny sees me. Like, Manny understands everything I'm saying. And by the way, the fear of schizophrenia is a real OCD thing.

And I will not have anybody come up on here and tell me otherwise. I'm allowed to be scared of things. How's your reading going? Okay. Well, you know what? shout out Kindle. I have a really hard time, and this is not a sponsor. My nightlight doesn't display enough light in order for me to read.

So Kindles, like, really make it easier because, like, they light up in the dark. And, yeah, but I've been reading FamSick by Lena Dunham, which is obviously amazing. Like, you know that's my queen. So, but I'm reading a little bit every night on my Kindle. Like, I was really trying to go for, like, the rustic look of the, the book, but like, I couldn't, I couldn't. I had to go with my Kindle. Um, so I'm reading a little bit about every night.

I actually just started imperfect woman. Anyone seen? It's very good. It's Elizabeth Moss, Carrie Washington, Kate Mara. It's very good. It's giving like all her fault vibes. Very soapy. Very like you start and it jumps right in, which is what I needed.

Um, it puts me to bed. Um, okay. I don't know if you guys could tell, but like I kind of have a new closet going on. Can you tell? Yeah. I have a new closet going on. Actually, let's get Matt on the phone. I wonder if he's realized that I have a new closet going on.

Hello? Have you noticed that I have like a new closet going on? A new what? A new closet going on. What do you mean? Like new clothes. Have you noticed? Like all Ann Taylor and stuff?

What? Like Ann Taylor? Stuff like that. And Taylor? Taylor? No. What are you talking about? Oh, I thought that's like what you were saying. You got in Taylor or shit or something. What? What? What did you say?

I said, have you noticed I got new clothes? I guess. What are you doing? Nothing. I just picked up my phone. I broke it today. Oh, so you, that's actually funny. So you broke the phone today? Like, really early this morning, yeah. So then why were you using that as an excuse for not respond? to my text all weekend. I wasn't feeling too good this weekend.

So why couldn't you just say that instead of I broke my phone? Well, I did break my phone. This morning. What does that have to do with anything? I texted you asking why you weren't speaking to me this weekend, and you said I broke my phone. You just told me you broke it this morning. I mean, I don't know if any of that's really relevant, to be honest. What do you mean?

Like, that doesn't really make any sense. Like what you're saying. No, exactly. It makes no sense. That's why I'm bringing it up to you. Right. Right. Okay.

Well, love you. I love you. Love you, bye. Oh my God, sweets and snacks. We decided we're going to EDC now the night before. Yeah. No? What?

What? So I thought we were going to EDC for Vegas, and apparently we're not going to EDC for Vegas. So I have to break the news to everyone. Hi. Hi. Pup, we're not, yeah, we're not going to EDC anymore. Okay, why?

Because we can't. Why not? We can't go, we can't go to EDC anymore. That's fine. Nobody cares. What happened? Are you canceling for sweets and tax? No, I can't.

He's canceling EDC. I mean, to be, I mean, why do you think I didn't answer once in the group chat? In the no world, where are we going to EDC? I don't want to go. I was so down. Oh my God. I was so dumb. Like, so what happened?

We're disturbing Chuch's peace. What happened is that Jake was manic last night in screaming that we're going to EDC. I didn't answer because I knew we never were. So he's canceling something that I never thought I was attending. Okay, everyone say sweets and snacks on three. One, two, three. Sweet since snacks.

Yes. My back, you guys. Oh, it's like I want to live my life. All I want all day long is to have somebody just going into the knot in my back, like all day long, all day long. I want to wake up face down and have someone say, good morning, and start needing my back. And then just, like, take a break when I have to go pee or eat lunch and then continue needing my back. That's what I want all day long.

Just this one spot. And it, like, hurts, but it feels like when you're poking a gum, like, you know, when it hurts, but you're like, ugh. But I guess gums don't need to be poked and backs need to be. So we're going to sweets and snacks in Vegas. Everyone's super excited. See, the thing is, though, I don't know if we're going to go out, and I don't think they know that. And so I feel like I'm kind of bamboozling everybody to come to Vegas.

And they're like, what are we going to do? I think we should go out. Really? On a Monday in Vegas? It's a Tuesday. Do things happen on Tuesdays in Vegas? Are you sure? I do think we have to go out.

Are clubs going to be open on a Tuesday? Something's going to be open. Because you know the club going up. I mean, they have that song for a reason, clearly. Tonight we have on Charlize Theron, whose new movie Apex is out now. It's amazing. I got the chance to watch it. And obviously, Academy Award winner, icon, actress extraordinaire, she's everything.

I was so honored I got to talk to her. You can literally hop over from Therapace to Apex because we're both on Netflix. Butum. And she's a fellow Housewise. fan like me. So enjoy the interview. Happy Wednesday. I love you, Pussies.

Hi Pussies. Tonight we have on something I never thought I'd say, but Academy Award winner, Charlese Theron. Oh, thank you. Thanks for being here. Thank you for having me. This is actually, remember when we met

at the Tate McCray show? Yes. Did you enjoy the show? I did. My girls were there. They absolutely loved it. Yeah, we're fans. Have they seen any of them?

your movies? Yeah, I actually saw Apex because they were out for most of it. The shooting of it in Australia and they came out was during summer. No, it was summer or spring break? I can't remember. No, it was, I can't remember. But they came out, there was

like a school holiday attached to it. And they loved being in Australia where we shot. They really like just loved the experience of being out in the wilderness and they for the first time ever they got some jobs. they were assistants on the set. They would kind of like help out and get coffees and I put them to work.

I was like, Right, if you're going to be here. You're going to keep asking me what my job is. I'm going to make you have a job where I have my job. But they were really loving it. And so when the rough cut came around, I was like, do you guys want to watch it with me? And they were like, no, mom. And then I turned it on and they started watching it.

And then they just couldn't stop watching it. And it was truly one of my favorite moments because my 14 year old who's not at all impressed by me and always gives me kind of like a look of like, did you just fart? Sat next to me and she was just like, she got so, she's like, why is Sasha doing that? What? That's my character then, but I'm like, why, Sasha? What?

No, Sasha can't do that, mom. I was like, you were there. You know what the story is about. Like, why are you? So I knew that we were onto something because they were even like fully engaged and forgot that it was mom. Right. They actually totally forgot that was mom up there.

Oh, so you must have felt like. I did. I did something cool. You know the best, the biggest compliment was they said, the movie feels really short, mom. It did feel short. Did it? Yes, very short.

Oh, look at that. You guys have something in common. That's a good, that's a good thing. I know. How long is it? I don't know. It's like two hours almost, right? It's a little less.

But it feels because it has such an engine, right? Yeah, it's excellent. Oh, thank you so much. You liked it? I loved it. Oh, and I loved it even more when I discovered that you most of your own stunts. I do most of my action.

I feel like stunts are like crazy things, like throwing yourself down a staircase or off a building. Like I don't do that stuff, but I like doing action. Because I feel like good action movies make the physical stuff be part of the storytelling. It's not compartmentalize. It's not like the movie stops.

You have some action and the movie picks up again. Right. And so I do, I feel like, Like, if you want to make a movie like that, you have to really kind of engage in all of that stuff. What drew you to the script initially? I thought that there was a lot of potential. When I originally read it, it was, the characters were different. But the premise, the idea was so straightforward, you know?

Like, you're just like, right in page 10, she's already in the wilderness. She meets this guy. He ends up being a serial killer, and he starts chasing her. And I just loved how simple that. concept was. It didn't feel contrived to me and like plot driven. And then we just really spent a lot of time developing the characters. But I just loved the two-hander aspect of it, getting to work that intimately with another actor and coming up with some really good, I think, psychological scenes that makes the movie more like a psychological thriller,

action thriller slash action thriller. So I think of it more almost psychologically than action. You've been in a lot of like action movies throughout your career. Like is there something about them specifically that draws you to them? I've been lucky enough to develop most of the action movies except for Mad Max Fury Road. But Atomic Blonde, I developed from eight pages of a comic book. And so we really, I really developed that movie for myself. And the same with the Old Guard films.

I did definitely, I wanted to, I was like, if I'm going to make some action movies, I want to make some really good ones. And so I really kind of took it into my own hands. Yeah, the same with this one. I really wanted to like make this something really special. Well, it is very special. Thank you. And I'm so excited for everyone to see it.

Do you like these kind of movies? I like the ones that you're in. Aw, that's not good answer. Thank you. I actually rewatched Monster. Okay. And I forgot how much it scared me as a child. Oh my God, that's right.

You saw it as a child. Oh my God, I'm so old. No, no, no. I mean, what I could think about after finishing it was, well, there were so many things I was thinking about, but you won best actress for it at the Academy Awards. What did that feel like the morning after? I was hungover.

Mm-hmm. I remember such a stupid vivid memory, but I remember like turning around and on my nightstand where false eyelashes, $5 million worth of jewelry and my silicone boobs. Just all stacked up in a pile and I was like, that was a good night. Did you feel any type of like pressure to do like Monster 2.0 next award season?

or was there just, or were you able to ground yourself? It's definitely challenging because you do feel like there's a lot of eyes on you. But, and I was, you know, I was young. I was 27.

There's definitely this feeling of like, like every step feels like it could be the wrong step. And then, you know, something that you can't control. You have to just kind of, you have to watch that you don't start doing moving. because people are kind of encouraging you to make them and you're not going by your own creative

instinct, you know, which is something that I've just always trusted. Because then also, if the movie doesn't work and it doesn't, and it fails, you've done it on your own terms and it's something that meant something to you. Right. But it's hard for sure that I did not necessarily, I liked that doors opened. Like all of a sudden, directors who I admired wanted to meet me. and like all of these things weren't happening before. Like I loved all of that because I could see that this was going to be something that changed the trajectory of my career.

And I was really excited about that. But the other aspect of it of like what is the thing that she's going to pick and how I just knew people were going to have opinions around it. And I didn't like that part of it. I know. I feel like that only happens with female best actress. Yeah. You know, winners. There's always that discussion.

Like when Mikey Madison won for a Nora, it was like, well, what's you going to pick next, what's you going to pick next. That's so interesting that you notice that because I think it's true too. I really do. I feel like women get such an unfair shake. There's a lot of like, oh, you don't want to do what this person did, but it's like, why not? Like, not every movie is going to be a success. Like, no actor has one success after another.

Right. But I agree. I feel like women have definitely a harder time. Especially when they're young. Yeah. Because people love an ingenue. Yeah. And they just want to like make sure.

or they mold them into however they want. Are you a young girl? I feel like you really understand. I feel like you understand. I grew up around women. All my best friends are girls. Do you have sisters? No, I have a younger brother.

Okay. But my mom and I are best friends and I grew up around. My whole team is basically women and so. I know, but you have like a sensitivity, like an innate understanding that is not, like I know a lot of people who have that, but they don't. Do you have like a you tuned into it? It's really nice. Oh, well.

Yeah, I like it. Thank you. Yeah, it's really nice. Well, yeah, I just wanted to ask you about that because I was like, I wonder what she felt like picking that. And what next project did you pick for 2004? It was a film called Ian Flux. Okay. Yeah, and it ended up actually being a film that really, it changed my life in a not so great sense.

I herniated a disc in my neck doing a backhand spring. and I landed on my neck on a concrete bridge. And I almost paralyzed myself. And it was like day 10 on like a really long shoot of this movie. And they had to shut the movie down. And I was in a lot of pain. And they were like, you have to finish the movie. Let's take six weeks off, like do some PT.

And like, we'll see how it goes. And there's like a good chance because you're so young. and you're fit and you're healthy, that your body will absorb this disc. And long story short, I got myself healthy enough to go and finish the movie. But from that time, for the next eight years,

I suffer from severe chronic pain, neck pain. Oh my God, I had no idea. I'm so sorry. No, it was truly, truly one of the, like, when you deal with pain for eight years, I have, I don't really, I can't describe it any other way than just it's so fear-based because you're just waiting for the next thing that's going to set your neck off and lock it and you're going to be in bed for five days. Right.

And at first it was like, oh, because I did that big workout. And then it became like, I just reached for the towel to dry my body and my neck is out. Right. So I had a neck fusion done where there's a metal plate kind of holding my tube. And then a year ago, I had the one right above it replaced, not with metal, but just with a disc replacement. So now I'm bionic. I can do anything with my neck.

But that movie really caused a lot of hell for me. Oh my God. When I asked, I had no idea. I'm so sorry. No, it's totally fine. I mean, this is your job. You're doing a great job. Thank you.

Well, what are you therapists about today? I'm angry about something, but I don't know if I want to share it. But like I had some dental work done and I'm not very happy with my mouth right now. And I'm not happy that my doctor told me that I would a week ago be fine and I'm not fine. And I don't understand why doctors don't just tell us truthfully what's going to happen. Why do you think that is? Because they want our money. Oh, you think it's that?

Yes. Because if they actually told me this, I would have said, no, I'm not going to do this right now. Right. Because I know I have stuff coming up and he knew it because I told him. And he was like, I got to suck her in right now because she might not come back. And so, yeah, I'm not very happy with this guy right now. He's like, he'll be fine. Are you kidding me?

Never told me that it was going to be like a certain amount of like having stitches. I was like, why would you not share this information with me? Right. I went from my post up and I was like, you never said any of this to me. And he was like, oh, no, no, no, no, no. It's okay. I tell you now. Yeah, but that doesn't make it okay.

you should have told me the first time I saw you. You have to get a new doctor. I think so too. I think I got bamboozled. Is this a dental guy? I have someone for you. Okay, great. I love it.

He's been great for me. Okay. And all the L.A. doctors love to suck her money out of people. I think so too. They love to suck her money in ways that I haven't seen because I grew up in New York and I never saw this. No. And also, by the way, when I go on location sometimes and I like have something that comes up in a medication or I go or I go and see a doctor, what they, what you end up paying, like, I'm like the cost, the difference between this and L.A.

We're suckers. Yeah, we're suckers. We're absolute suckers. We're just like people like completely complacent. Take my money. You could sell me like water for $50 and I would buy it. It's all of us. Yeah.

All of us. Yeah. Because what if, right? Don't you have that feeling? We're like, I know it's a scam, but what if? Always what if. Always what if. This changes my life.

What if this water is like actually biblical? Yeah. Like I will literally buy anything. So crazy. What's the craziest thing you've ever bought? Then you've been like, why did I buy that? Oh my God. A lot of stuff.

Let me think. I bought a back. I thought it was a back massager with a heater on it. And I bought it and it came. It must have come from London because it had the wrong plug on it. And so I couldn't try it. But I sent it to an electrician to change the plug. was this whole thing like getting the American plug put on.

I spent so much money putting this fucking plug on it. And then I plugged it in and it doesn't massage. It's just a heating pack. I basically put, I spent $100 to put a plug on something that I could have done with a water bottle. Right. That sucks. We're idiots.

Yeah. Read the small print. Yeah. Yeah. That happened to, well, one time I bought a jacket to Canada because I was doing a job in Canada. And I was leaving Monday. I don't know why I bought it on a Friday. So I was like, obviously it wasn't going to get there.

I guess I didn't know that tariffs existed. And so I had to ship it back to the U.S., which cost $2,000. What? Yes. To ship one jacket from Canada to the U.S. because of tariffs. Isn't that insane? Not only that, then I had to get it tailored.

Most expensive jacket. Ever. But you know what? I get compliments on it every time I wear it. So I don't give a fuck. It's worth it. It's worth it. When I was in New York wearing it this one,

everyone was like, I love your jacket. And I was like, you don't know what that means to me. Yeah. Because I went through hell and back to get this jacket. I'm going to be homeless next week. But at least my jacket looks good. Exactly. I love it.

Do you base yourself out of L.A. almost entirely? Yeah, I live here. And my kids are based, and they have schools here. And they have their own lives. They're both really, they're really into dance. And they're really good. They're on a competition team. And so it's very, I mean, I'm basically like doing this, selling a movie, and then I'm an Uber driver, just like driving them from ballet to school to home to Chick-fil-A to whatever they need, you know.

Right. Do they communicate with you via text message or via Snapchat? Okay. I am so glad you brought this up because I really hope my 14-year-old is listening to this. Why don't you ever fucking text me back? What is that? They all use Snapchat. I did not know that.

So I have to Snapchat. Have to Snapchat them. It's what I've learned. My friend's kid is like only, like I only, I messaged my mom. And I was like, what? They only use Snapchat for everything. Okay. My 11 year old is still really good.

She's very like, she's on it. She's very, I think I'm holding her back. She's like ready to move into apartment. She can like, she's good to go. I love somebody thought that was. But my 14-year-old, even I like start threatening her. I'm like, I will take your iPad away. She still doesn't reply back.

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That's 10% off tickets with promo code therapists. Thank you, Ckekeek again. for sponsoring tonight's episode. I saw you say something very interesting where you're like, AI could recreate acting, but it could never recreate dance. I might be wrong on that, just by the way. I don't know the science thing.

There's a tech guy going like, oh, no, we're on that. That's happening next week. Do your kids want to be dancers at all? Is that, like, a goal for them? They really love it. You know, I wouldn't be surprised if they go into some angle like that.

I mean, I was a dancer for a big part. of my life and I loved it so much. I mean, I didn't know there was really anything else that I was going to. I was so in love with performing, but I didn't even know that then. So when I look at them, I can see the love that they have for it right now, but then I'm also from my own experience, I'm thinking, this can branch into so many other things. Right. But I can tell that one of my daughters, she's just a natural, she's a natural performer. So they must have had a lot of fun at the Tate McCray show.

Yeah. She loves a stage. Yeah. She loves a stage. And like I get so nervous. She was so little when she started performing and I would get so nervous for her. And she would just be like pushing people out of the way to get on the stage. Like she just loves a stage and the girl can perform.

Like she just knows how to perform. My other one really loves like choreographing dances and she loves the world a lot. And she's really great in all these big bigger group numbers. But I don't know. it's too soon to kind of say where they're going to end up as long as they just need to get a job that pays them because I don't want to support them for the rest of the life that's like kind of like my aim I always say that I need you to be financially independent I don't want you to rely on another person including me like I want you to feel what it feels like to buy your first car

with your own money that you've earned that is a feeling that is just unbelievable So they're always like, so you're not getting me a G-wagon? I'm like, they don't even make those anymore. Okay. Do they make G-wagons anymore? But they're always like, I'm like, you must not, I'm going to drive that one day. I'm like, you're, what job do you have? That's an L.A. baby.

Yeah. And I'm not, I told, they know. I'm like, I'm not, first of all, your first car is going to be a Dutson because you're going to crash it. You're going to fuck it up somehow. You're a new driver. Yeah. So we're not getting like the nice car.

front. We need a little bit of experience and we're going to earn it. But I want them, I want them to, I want them to be independent. I think that's the greatest, like, that's the thing that I, I can take from my own life, my own experience and the power of that. And I, and I always kind of remind them to kind of think that way. Are you going to have them get like summer jobs? Yes. Yeah. Every time we go to Starbucks, I'm like, look at this. Do you see, How friendly? Do you see how friendly? You have to be that friendly every morning at 6 a.m.

Like start getting ready for it. Yeah. I mean, I feel like you just said it like L.A. babies. There's a bubble here. It's different than New York. Both are kind of very coastal elitey, but there's less of a bubble in New York, I think, because you have more access to like what the world is like.

In L.A., you can really never leave. Did you have a job as a youngster in New York? I had many, many jobs. What did you have? I was a babysitter. I was, I interned a lot. I did a lot of internships. I interned at a magazine.

I interned at a public relations firm. I interned at, God, I'm like forgetting. I interned for a city council woman. Yeah, it was cool. It was like nice to make my own money. And was it because your parents kind of asked you, they were, were they? My mom was. It's strict as a...

Oh, so okay, I'm doing the right thing? Yeah, she was like, you don't... Because I went to a private school where a lot of my friends had all their parents' money to spend, but my parents gave me like $20 a week and were like figure it out, kind of. So if I wanted a fake ID, which I did, I had to save up and I would save it in my little, like...

Do you remember those, like, radio things and you would put CDs in them? Oh, yes, I know what you're talking about. Yes, yeah. Yeah. And I would put all my money in there. And so I had to work. I babysat a lot.

This is such a great job. It's the, it's babysitting is the ultimate life hack. Yeah. They will overpay you. Yeah. It's like, all you do is sit there. But do you know why? Why?

So they're like, just give me a break. Right. Just please take my kids. Take my kids and give me a break. Yeah, but I was a big, I was a big babysitter. I babysat a bunch of kids and it, like, funded my way through high school. I, I keep telling my kids. kids that too. I'm like, this is a great way to start. It is. Yeah. It's harder here though because they need

their license to drive. Got it. But like I'd be okay with driving them if they actually like did the job. You know what I mean? I'm not going to be that mean. But I just I want yeah, I really, I want to encourage them because I also feel, which isn't fair on them because they didn't ask for this, but unfortunately I'm their mom and I think everybody is just waiting for them to be assholes and self-centered and kind of expect things to come their way. You know? And so I want to try and prepare them as much for that, that that is going to happen. And so they have to start thinking about like there's hard work around things. Like you have to earn a lot of stuff in life just in general, but it's going to maybe be twice as hard for you guys.

Right. And in order how to like block out the noise as well. Yes, exactly. But also I think all of those things give you purpose as a young person. And there's nothing like independent. when you're a young person. Like when I remember when I left at 16 and I was like, holy shit, like, I have to cook my dinner tonight.

Like, I have to make sure my laundry is done. Like, I had to do all of it. But I loved it, you know? How did you convince your mom to let you leave at 16? Was it just a different time? My mom was the one who pushed me out of the house, actually. There was a lot going on in South Africa at the time. And I had an opportunity to go and try something.

And she really, she really was the one who was like, go, you should go and try this. You don't want to be on your deathbed and wonder what this would have been like. If I didn't do it. So she was really my encouragement. I mean, she was the one that put it together that I should go try and be an actor. I wasn't the one that did that. Right. Didn't she come to New York and was like, you're either coming home or you're doing acting?

Yeah. Not quite as articulate as that. Yeah. But something like that, yes. And do you remember, was it, do you remember? there was a moment when you were auditioning and there was like where you're like okay this could actually happen yeah i mean i feel like at 19 you just think like every i did i was like i'm gonna go get this job today like i was just like so determined i never kind of willy-nilly to anything

always prepared i didn't get everything but i i definitely went in with the intention of like i'm getting this job today but i think that's my personality is very much like if i'm going to do something I'm going to do it really well. I'm not going to fuck around. Because then I just won't do it. Right. That's, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. When did you come here? How old were you when you came here? I was born here. I was born, but I moved when I was two. And then I grew up around, I grew up in New York.

I lived in Brooklyn for a little. And then Westchester. And then I grew up mainly in Washington Heights in the city. And then I came back here when I was 18 for USC. And then my parents kind of followed suit during COVID. because during COVID, everything was just like, what the fuck is going on.

And now I've been out here ever since. I love it here. Do you? But I don't drive, so. Why? Because I will crash. Well, that's if you don't learn. My dad is like, you will crash the car.

Like, this is like, I'm like a true New York City kid. Like, I can't do it. Oh, my God. I know. I'm terrified. I have a friend like that. I'm terrified. She's like, I don't have a license.

I'm like, how do you not know how to drive a car? I was like eight years old. No way. I grew up on a farm. Yeah. Yeah. So it's just like every eight year old knows how to drive some semi truck or something. Yeah.

Wow. Yeah. But that's interesting. It's like, it's interesting how we all grow up and we're kind of, we are what are like our circumstances, what we're surrounded in. Like that makes sense.

Like you don't have to drive in New York. And I'm lucky now because of Uber. But if Uber, didn't exist. I mean, it really clocked to me the other day when I was with my brother. And he was like, I just got my first car. And I was like, what? He's 22. And I was like, oh my God. I can't do this. So he's in. He's in. He can drive. He can do it all. And what your dad's like, he's not going to crash. Yeah. You. Yeah. I think my dad is like, I'm like the one that the last one that'll listen to him. So he's like, just please don't get behind a wheel. Yeah. I'm also so addicted to my phone. So like, I know like I just

can't. That's good that you know your shortcomings. Yeah, yeah. I do feel like, if anything, I want to encourage my kids to just take Uber. You know, it's like I think truly, truly, hands down, the most scary thing for me is imagining my kids driving or being in a car with another 17, 18 year old driving. I can't think of anything more dangerous, more scary, inexperienced. It's not about what they're going to do. It's not knowing what the other guy is going to do.

I think cars are truly my greatest fear. They're scary. Yeah. They're scary. Much, much prefer them to just take Ubers. Yeah. Yeah. I like walking.

I like everywhere I can possibly walk, I will walk. Yeah. It's like the one thing, walking and listening to music is like my one thing that reminds me of New York. Yeah. That makes sense. So do you walk to Beverly Hills? I Uber. What do you walk?

Do you Uber or Lyft? I Uber. Yeah. What is that? Why do we all Uber or not Lyft? It's kind of like Apple versus. versus PC. Yeah.

It's like I just use an Apple computer. Yeah, got it. Have you ever, have you ever lifted? Like, lifted. Like been in a lift? Oh,

yeah, of course. I thought you were like, lifted the gym. I was like, well, yes. So do you remember your lift ride

versus your Uber ride? Were they different? I remember the interface, if that's what it's called, of Uber just being a tad more simple for me. Me too. I just remember it being a tad more simple. Yes.

And I liked, it just felt better. Yes. You know, do you know that my friend took an Uber the other day and she took a photo and she sent it to me? There was a tennis shoe underneath the front seat. Just a woman's tennis shoe, just one. And I was like, you should probably check the trunk. It was really, really weird.

That is creepy. I've had some creepy, creepy, creepy ubers. Just a small size five tennis shoe. Did she check the trunk? No, she, I don't know what she ended up doing. But I was like, this is actually serious. This is actually not a joke. Like, I'm actually worried for you.

You have to, like, text me when you're out of the car. Oh, God. One time I got dropped off on the side of the road. What? Yes. They kicked you out? Yeah. I mean, you can imagine.

Like, he was like, you are so goddamn annoying. Like, get out of the car. You were talking too much? Well, I said, could you turn the music up a little? He pulled over. He said, just get out. Oh, just one thing. Yeah.

Yeah. And I was like, he must have had a bad day. Oh, that's funny. And then one time, I used to, like, I used to take every, like, there used to be like all these different apps for rides, I'd be like $5 rides across the city of Manhattan as long, whatever. Like there used to be all these different things. And I remember taking one and it took me to 200 and something street instead of 181st

street and it was 2 a.m. And my phone was at 1%. And I remember I called an Uber in a pinch and it really showed up for me. Wow. So I'm always Uber overlift. I get it. What are you watching on TV right now? I'm not watching any.

I think great. I'm watching 90-day fiancé. Oh, really? Are you a housewives person? Yes, I am. Are you watching Rhode Island? Yeah. I haven't started Rhode Island. Is it amazing? Stop. It's amazing. No, really? Yes, it's early Salt Lake. Oh, I know what I'm doing tonight.

Yeah. There's only four episodes out. It's fantastic. You just changed my life. Okay, so we're going to do the talking about what's wrong really quickly. I'm in love with my brother's oldest, closest friend. I always used to joke around saying I'm going to marry him, but now I have a boyfriend. who's been really great. We've been dating for a bit, but my brother's best friend,

best man too, kind of just told me at my brother's wedding, the feeling between us is mutual. I'm like freaking out. It's been a couple of days and I haven't seen him since. What do I do? I have so many questions.

Yeah, that is oftentimes the case. Well, I think the simple answer is that if you're into him and he's into you, then you should probably pursue it because it sounds to me like the boyfriend is a nice guy, not much more? Yeah.

Nice guys are good, but if you have a crush on somebody else and there's chemistry and they are reciprocating, then you should probably give that a shot. I mean, you can break up with a nice guy. I think so too, and I think it hurts to be, it hurts them as well if you're just in the relationship for convenience. And it's not going to go away. No, never. It's not going to change.

Exactly. You're always going to be wondering what if. Yeah, exactly. So, yeah, if I had a crush on someone for 10 years and they told me that they liked me back, I would dump whoever was in front of me. Yeah. And by the way, that's like a feat. 10 years is a long time and you still give a shit. Yeah.

You should probably do it. Yeah. I'm having a hard time knowing. The boyfriend's like, fuck you. I know. Literally. Like, because of therapist, my relationship ended. I'm having a hard time knowing how to end a friendship that hasn't really even started.

There's a girl I've hung out with a couple of times now who I'm just not interested in developing a friendship with. so but she keeps on asking me to hang out with these exhausting plans it feels like more like work than it needs to me than it needs to be but the thing is we're both in the theater and dance scenes in my city and we have an upcoming project we're both working on so i don't want to go to her be unintentionally rude that's actually a really hard problem yeah because when you started reading i was like don't fucking reply right but that's tricky because yeah that that that's a real that's actually a conundrum as they say in the olden days. I don't know how to, how would you go about that?

That takes some massaging. I understand why it's a complicated issue for her. I would, here's the thing, you can manage it, but it's work. That's the only annoying thing, right? It's like you can manage it,

you can massage it, you can kind of like, let her know that you're maybe more of a short person so you don't get all wordy with it. You're just like, can't do it tonight, just be short with it. Right, right?

But you're not mean and you're not ignoring her, but just like, can't you tonight. Don't even get into it. Don't over-explain why. And hopefully she'll get the message because you're not being flowery about it, but you're also not ignoring her. Right. And then if she's like, well, you didn't. Yeah. Just be like, I'm crazy right now.

Yeah. Just set your boundaries now. I'm going to be crazy for the next 10 years, actually. Yeah, forever, actually. It's going to be really busy. My boyfriend of three years told me last night that he wants to, oh, my God. Oh. That he wants to help me lose weight and be healthier because he wants to marry someone who is fit and cares about their health.

I think I should be furious, but these align with my goals too. For reference, I've gained some comfortable weight since we started dating. Should I take that from him or is this tough love? No, fuck no. Like, I want to murder this guy. Yeah, that's outrageous. That's not. And she's been with him for three years and he's never shown any signs of like, hey, baby, those males look tight.

Like, he's never done that? That's outrageous. I would break up immediately. Yeah. This guy is no good. Honestly, that's just, that's not good. And even if they align with your wants and needs and ideas, like that should be on you.

That's your aspiration. Nobody who loves you should ever, ever say anything about the way you look and how that should be improved. Like I just, I don't have a friend like that in my life. Sometimes I kind of wish I do because I look back at photos. I'm like, does anybody who love me? Why did you not tell me I shouldn't wear that? I don't think I've ever seen a photo of you where you look.

bad ever. That's very sweet, but I've had some questionable hair choices. But no, what's her name? That we don't know. Oh, we don't know. Susan, listen to me. Drop this motherfucker. Drop him. Yeah. Drop him. Yeah. I got bored at work and went snooping through messages between my boss and a potential new hire on the phone we have at work and found out my boss is offering $10 an hour more to this new hire for the same position I'm working in and this person has less experience and I've been here for two years help what do I do I feel like I can't say anything because I shouldn't have gone through the text messages that sucks because you don't want to know that right and you want to feel valued at your job and that's probably something now that's

going to be really hard to kind of forget about I think that's always going to be in the foreground but don't fucking do shit like that like don't go through someone else yeah don't do it like you're going to find something you don't like you know it's like girls are going through Like, either break up or just don't do shit like that. You know, you're going to find something that's going to just stay in your head, no matter how small or big it is and doesn't need to be like a big thing. But like, don't go through people's shit. I'm so against it as well.

I did it once when I was 18. And I was like, I'm just, I'm never doing this again. There's no rhyme or reason. Like, I don't want someone going through my shit. But there's also no good experience because you're going to find out something. Yeah. That's not going to sit well. with you.

Agreed. It's not good. But yeah, this is a tricky one. I don't know. You're partly to blame for your own problem here. And it's probably not going to go away. I don't know. I don't know.

What do you think she should do? If I were her, I would be looking for other jobs on the side and leave once I found an offer that I'm comfortable accepting. And learn how to not snoop. And learn never to go through my boss's phone ever again. Yeah. Maybe start with that. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, Charlize, what did we learn today? What did we learn? We learned we like Uber, more than Lyft. We learned that you're going to watch your housewives. There was my Lyft campaign. Is it bad? I kind of thought the same thing.

I was like, wait. We love Lyft. We can editorialize this to work in your favor. We learned that you are a housewives fan. Yeah. Yeah, no, I'm a massive. Somebody asked me yesterday, if you had to do a TED talk right now, like what's the subject that you feel like?

like you could really confidently talk. I was like housewives. I can talk. I can do about Housewives. Do you like Salt Lake, I assume? I do. I love Salt Lake is good. I really love Potomac as well.

Who's your favorite on Salt Lake? I like them all. But I mean, if I was like going to hang out, Heather, like I'd love to like hang out with Heather. But then I just love all the drama. I am obsessed with Lisa Barlow. Yeah, I know. She's pretty amazing.

Like she wasn't in one episode. They mentioned her, what, 50 times? Yeah. No, she starts. She starts a lot of shit. Yeah. She starts a lot of shit. They know their job on that show, and for that, I appreciate it.

Yeah. I just love all the hair. Always touching her hair. Yeah, she's always always. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I love, at first, I didn't really care, and now I really love Angie. Oh, yes. You have to.

I mean, come on. She comes out of nowhere. Which is your favorite one, Salt Lake? Lisa, yeah, and Salt Lake. Salt Lake is your favorite. Yeah, but Rhode Island is giving early Salt Lake. I'm telling you right now. excitement about it. It is so good of me and someone I work with, Manny, have been talking about it all day.

I saw it as I was scrolling because I, Fridays is Beverly Hills. So I was, you know, searching for that one. And I saw it. And I was like, I don't know. Like, I'm always suspicious of a new housewives. I'm like, because Dubai didn't quite work. Well, that like. Vancouver. Really? No. It's Canada. They're all nice. You can't like do a housewives in Vancouver. The reason Rhode Island works is because... Oh, I'm so sorry. Yeah, yeah. Apologizing to each other constantly. The reason Rhode Island works is because they could have gone two ways.

They could have gone very high-end women who don't want to share anything. Yeah. Or they could have gone with women who are like, this is my moment to make it on reality television. I will reveal all. And that's what they went with. And it worked. Mike drop. Let's go.

Let's cut this bitch. I got to go. Well, Charlize, thank you so much for coming out. Thank you. I really appreciate this. Thank you. This is so fun. Really fun.

Yes. I'm glad you had a good time too. Thank you. Bye, Pussies. Hey, y'all. It's Kelly Clarkson with Wayfair. Ever order furniture online and wonder what if? Like, what if it doesn't hold up?

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