Therapuss with Jake Shane - Session 122: Marisa Abela

Episode Date: May 23, 2026

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Yeah. Marisa Bella is here. I mean, no introduction needed on my end. Yeah, well, I think for a lot of people. She plays Yaz in The Best Show on Television. I'll die by that. Industry on HBO. And I have been an industry fan since COVID.

That's great. Yeah. We've talked about this. And it took people a minute to catch on. Like yesterday. Yeah. Yeah. Unfortunately, this episode is going to contain spoilers because I do need to talk about it all.

I think so. Also, I think by this point, it's too much to be like, no, spoil it. Like, you've got to get watching it now. The character development of Yaz's. Yeah. Reminds me of DeNaris in Game of Thrones. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Kind of, right? Yeah, totally. You want her to win so bad. What the fuck is going on? I know. I mean, also, especially if we got rewind to the beginning of season one, like, this is a girl walking in, carrying salads, super vulnerable, super vulnerable, super scared, getting bullied at work,

not sure if she's ever going to be able to say anything, like booed to a goose. And suddenly, like, we're here. I just feel like she gets screwed over. What was it? The end of season one was Harper screwing her over with the HR complaint. Yeah. Yeah.

Season two, how did season two? Season two, her father cut her off. Right. Yeah. So she's left with, she has no money. Right. At the end of season two, and she's locked out of her apartment.

She's like fiddling with her keys and she's locked out of her apartment. Her father's cut her off. So then season three, she's living with Harper and Rob. Oh, I miss Rob. I know. I know. Me too.

I miss him. She's such a soft, gooey, gushy part of the show that now doesn't exist. I mean, that season three finale, I honestly might rewatch it tonight just to feel something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Also because I think, I mean, there are so many turning points for Yasmin, like, so many turning points for who she, like, for the evolution of, like, the woman that we see now. in front of us at the end of season four that's a big one at the end of season three that choice that that choice that she makes that defines the rest of her it totally does right she makes a choice and she's like i want that and then obviously what of season four happens but i was saying is i think

the biggest turning point for yasmin as a character actually is there's a moment in season two with there's a character kenny the northern irish yeah yeah yeah who, Conno McNeil is like one of my favorite people on the planet. He's so good. And he comes up and she's in a meeting and he, he says something to her about the fact that I can't believe you would let this happen to Venetia. And he bullied her for the whole of season one. And Yasmin goes in and for the first time,

we see like the gun finger come out and her being like, oh, I remember on the trading floor, right? Yeah. And like she, I think that's, that was a moment that I think making come by the writers were like, oh, Marisa could be like, a guy. gangster. I don't know about where she's going, but 100%. I think what Mickey and Kong were, like, we're thinking was where, how far can we push

the audience's allegiances? You know, like this is a woman who has, also the amazing thing about television as like a long form, art form, I guess, is you have years to live with the character. So we're not asking people to jump in after like 20 minutes of exposition and being like, and this is how like someone comes to. these decisions, we're saying you've seen everything that happened to her for her, about her, for like the last five years. This is the culmination of all of those things.

How do you feel now? And it's like, Okay. So the thing about me is I'm a little stupid in the head. So I actually didn't understand what was going on in season four. Like I understood that Harper and Eric were short, we're betting on the loss of. Tender.

Of tender. Betting on tender losing. That's like, that's what you need today. Right. Okay, great. That's what I got it. That's it.

100%. Because I was like, wait, I feel like I'm, but then how, and you, that moment, there's this like moment in season four

where Yaz realizes what Harper's doing. And she just has this moment of like, she's so not surprised. Yeah, 100%. She's wearing that like insane 80s orange shirt. Uh-huh. She's like,

why are you hell bent on blowing up like my life? Why? can't you be happy for me? And I think it's so interesting. I either meet people who are like, Yasmin, I would walk through fire for her. Or I would meet people who are like, can't stand her.

Like she's so entitled, she's so whatever. And I don't necessarily mean now. I think this season is like throwing a spout in the works for everyone. But from season one, they're like, oh, shut up. Like, you know.

And for me, but I mean, either way, I'm like, people feel something, so I'm happy. But for the people who, loved Yasmin and we're like, she's an icon. Those of the people I feel sorry for. Yeah.

Because I'm like, how do you back that? You can't. It's unbackable. It's unbackable. It's actually kind of savage. Like even if you still back her, you kind of can't say that out loud. You can't. Because it's like, it's like, well, she's like, it's human trafficking.

Yeah, it's human trafficking. But how, like, where is the money coming from at this point? Because you see her walk in with these bags with Kieran and she, Shipka and like all these bags and you're like, but where is she now making this money? Well, someone like Stefanovich, who is the like the guy that she's hosting the dinner for, will be kind of, I guess, backing her. She's not paying for any of it. So she's kind of, she's like organizing all of it, but these people are sort of funding her lifestyle now.

Which means she's kind of at the mercy. Again, she's put herself in a situation where she's at the mercy of, men who don't necessarily have the best intentions. But this thing of what she's decided to do with Haley's character, I mean, there's no two ways about it. It's come out of her own head. Yeah.

No one's got a gun to her head forcing her to do this. So, but it's a way of having control. I mean, like she's always, even since season one, like her body and sex in one way or another has been a currency for her. And as she gets older,

and I think she's, because she's become more like numbed her own desires. She's just using that in other people. I mean, it's intense. It's intense. Yeah. Was there a moment this season? Like, do you discover what's happening when you get the sides or when you do like a read-through?

When, when I have a meeting. So we were optioned for three seasons. I had a meeting with Mickey and Coma when they were pitching season four to us. And I was like, what's the vibe? And they were like, hear me out. sex trafficking. And I was like, what? Like, how do we even get there?

I mean, I couldn't understand. But then again, I was like, when they were like, in season three, they were like, hear me out, you kill your dad. Yeah. And I love a challenge. You know what I mean? So I was just excited to kind of get into it with them, you know? And like, I was excited to motivate something that felt unmotivatable.

And I just love doing the show. I love the writing. I love like what they allowed me to do. That second episode like... My God. Yeah. There's a moment with you and Henry and you're fighting and you like almost hit him.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like that was my favorite moment too. Yeah. That was felt real. It's also so dark. Like that thing, someone's saying second to you and you're going to hit them and

and them like wincing. It's like it's kind of savage to watch. And also that's that whole. seen that whole argument. It's just one take, which is like, overwhelming, I'm like,

do I fuck this up? You know what I mean? At the final, like, minute of that scene, it's like a six minute scene or something. Do you think we've seen the end of Eric? I don't know. I mean,

I don't know. Again, it's kind of that sort of like, unforgivable. It's like, how do you come back from that thing? His performance, when he gets that text,

when he gets that text and he's like looking straight out and there, his kid is, oh my God, his kid is calling for. for him? Yeah. And you're like, oh my God.

It's so gross. Yeah. And he finally comes to like the point where he's like, this is it for me. But what I love about the show is that so often I think the notes that people get, especially with female characters, it's like it's too unlikable. I don't, like, she's unrutable. Like I don't, like, the audience are never going to back her. They're never going to watch them again.

And the writers are just like, yeah, whatever. Right. You know what I mean? Like, people. people exist. We can like push the boundaries of what people are willing to accept and women especially are like allowed

to be very flawed and I will trust that people will still watch them and enjoy them you know. I love doing that first of all like it's an opportunity for you to just go crazy it's so fun like when there's a scene in in season three when I'm talking to Ken

Eric, Gasmuson's talking to Eric's she's wearing like a lawyer wig And there's a girl doing like a handstand in the background. And they're like on Coke. And they're like talking at a million miles an hour. And it's just so fun. Like I know the audience loves that part of the show too. So whenever there's like a go out scene and like a go crazy scene, I'm happy for them.

They also set it up so well. They're like, should we go out? And then they're like, yeah. And that's when you know like the episode flips. Yeah, 100%. And when she says, I want to do all the thing that Lord's do all the things that Lord's things about. And she's like, I think Laura, things about being 17.

And I was like, exactly. Yeah, like, I love being 17. I'm just like, it's so fun. And I love that for the audience. Like, I love that. I mean, I think that the audience at the show as well is one of the reasons that the show has done so well because they are like, they will, they back it. You know, they're like, I want to see these people have so much fun.

I want to see them like take drugs and party and like Mickey and Comrade are like, yeah, go on then. Did Mickey and Conrad, they're ex-bankers? Yeah. So this is all like, where did this idea begin for them? I think they just thought, you know, I think that there was the kind of, honestly, I think there was at the time something at HBO where they were like, we really want to do things that are kind of peek behind the curtain of a world that people don't fully understand.

And I think they were like, well, we know that. We know industry. We know the finance industry and we can do that. Also, you know, look like Wolf of Wall Street and what people love sex. drugs and money. Yeah. You know? And like at the core of it, well, that's what industry was about in season one.

Sex, drugs and money. And now. And now it's about sex trafficking. Literally. I was like watching the finale and I was like, holy shit, I remember at the end of season one when the biggest thing, the biggest thing with season one was the speech that they had to give. Do you remember at the, what was that speech that they had to like prove their work to the company?

Yeah. And Gus's character was like, um, short the, short the Vix, buy the dip, fuck Bitcoin or something like that. And that was like, everyone was like,

this is so crazy. And it comes out of nowhere too. Out of nowhere. But it's like where was she left to go? I mean, that sounds horrible because it's like, there's like other places left to go other than sex trafficking.

But like, really like what she was working for Henry's uncle. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was very unfulfilled at sea. Oh my God. Also, I do think, and maybe I'm crazy, but I think at the beginning of the season, like she's trying to be a good wife to him.

She is. That episode too, like, when she's like opening the curtains and she wants to have sex with him and like she wants to, you know, and here is, we know what Yasmin's like in the bedroom. We've seen it in season one, two. This guy doesn't even want to touch her, doesn't want to look at her. He doesn't find her. Like, she's so unfulfilled.

and she's, if her ultimate goal is to feel necessary, this guy is literally saying, like, I have maids that do that. I have other people to have sex with. I have other, like, I have drugs to get happiness from. Just blend in and be part of the furniture. And like, as if that's ever going to happen, you know? Never. No.

That episode two is one of the most insane. When that plot twist drops at the end of episode two and you realize he's talking to his dad. Yeah. I had no idea. I didn't either. What do you mean? I also, like, even reading it, I was like, what's going on? And then when we were, when we were, like, on set, I was like,

it's a ghost, it's the ghost of his father. And, like, it all kind of came to me. Like, also that actor, Jack Farthing, is so good. Yeah, he's incredible. It's such a great performance. And Kit is so good in that episode. And, like, when he comes in, and those Elton John glasses and, like, kicking up a storm. And, I mean, it was just wild.

Like it was also what show was that? Like we've been doing industry on a trading floor for three seasons. We're suddenly in this like manor house and Somerset. And we're just, it's like a period drama. I mean, it was kind of insane, you know? And the woman that played my aunt was amazing. She was incredible. She was so bad.

When Yaz kicks her out. I don't know. But that line was so cutting where she said like your father was going to terminate you. I know. I was like, oh my God. So dark. So dark. It takes some punches.

She really does. She gets up. She gets up every single time. I'm like, so season five is the last season. Yeah. For sure. Officially, it's the last season. I know.

Do you think it's going to happen? Like, I feel like every season gets bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger. Did you guys think you were getting a season two after season one? No way. So like, Mickey and Conrad write every season like it's the last one. And that's why at the end, you're always like, oh my God.

But the fact is, the fact that now, if that's how they wrote it, I guess they always, if this is the last one, then we want to go out with the band, we don't want to, we don't want to hold any punches.

But I guess they're always hoping there's another season. Whereas the great thing about season five and what I'm excited for is that they know. Yeah. It's not coming back. It's their choice. You know, they were like, we don't want it to get worse.

So like, it's done. So what can they do with that energy? if they fully don't even hope it's coming back. I'm scared, personally. It'll be fun, you know. What point did you realize the show was catching on? I think when HBO decided to cast Kit Harrington,

I was like, oh, they back it. Yeah. Because Kit brings an audience by himself. We all were like, we were really passionate about creating something that people loved and just every day we come into work and we'd like give it everything. The show has a real energy of like,

it was never like, and cameras are like, so what are you doing? You know what I mean? We were like really amped up about it. But when Kit joined, I was like, oh, there are going to be eyes on now. And I felt that ramp up. And then when it came out,

people were just like, I mean, you can just feel it. More people on the street are like, I'm obsessed with industry. Like on TikTok. Yeah, on TikTok. talk making those amazing i love like the little like jasmine harper montages or whatever i didn't even it just and this season even more than ever um i won a bafter in season three so that was

thank you well fucking deserved by the way thank you well fucking deserved that one was like oh like people think our performances are like they're brilliant thank you they're brilliant they're so like, is nuance the right word? Yeah. I mean, like, I'm like, yeah. I think like nuances that, like, there's just so much depth. And what's her name is? Incredible.

Sweet P. Miriam. Yeah. You know, Miriam and I went to youth theater together and where I grew up in Brighton. Did you really? Yeah. We, when, I mean, she's younger than me, but what she must have been like 11 and I was like 14.

And we were just sort of like skipping around a room. And they were like, now be sunshine or whatever. And when she turned up in season three, I was like, Miriam? It was crazy. Oh, you had no idea? I had no idea. She was doing it, but I love her. And I think she's so good.

And I think the casting in the show is so smart. It is so smart. Who are these? You know, we were all, it was my first job. I was still at drama school when I booked industry. Tell me about like the booking of it all. This is so embarrassing. So they were Louis Vuitton trainers that I bought for the.

read through. Uh-huh. And I turned up on that day because they were like, Yasmin is a rich girl. She's, you know, the log line for Yasmin was a vulnerability disguised by Prada. And I thought,

okay, like, I need to like present as like, you know, I was still a student, I had no money, whatever. I was like,

I knew I was getting this, you know, my first ever paycheck. So with my first paycheck, I went to Louis Vuitton and I bought these trainers. But they were like hype beastie trainers. Massive. Yeah,

yeah, so not Yasmin, so not anything I would like normally, but I was just like, what says LV, the loudest I can possibly see it? Those, I bought them and I remember turning up and Mickey and Comrade the writers looking at me being like, no, babe. Wait, but you had already booked the part of this part. I'd already booked the part, thank God, yeah. And the audition was like, Lena Dunham was in the room

because obviously she directed episode one. So like, Lina Donham was in the room, the cast and director, Mickey and Comrade, and I remember I had an audition that was just me. Then I did a chemistry read with Harry for Robert. Then, yeah, I mean, I was, like I said, I was set at drama school. I booked it before I graduated. So I, like, went back to Rada halfway through episode one to graduate.

Like, it was insane. I was literally 22. You were 22 when you booked it? Yeah. Wow. Yeah. It was crazy. Do you remember the scene that you auditioned with?

Yes. It was, it was a scene, well, one of them was a scene, the scene where Kenny puts Yasmin on the bin and she has to like pitch what she thinks. Kenny was horrible. He was horrible. And you forget that. Yeah. I forgot that in season four until you literally just reminded me that he was like. Bullied her at work.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then when she tried to like bully someone back, he was like, no. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's why. And he was on his like growth, sober journey.

Yeah. But that's why her decisions like make, like, they don't make sense because they're horrible. But like, you understand why we've, how we've gotten to a point. Yeah, for sure. I mean, doing the chemistry read with him was really useful. With Harry was really useful. I mean, I remember Harry being like, well, now we're like very, very close friends. And we're halfway through season one, we were like talking.

And he was like, I thought you were a bitch in that. chemistry read and I was like what? And he was like yeah I remember thinking oh she's going to get it and like this is going to be such a nightmare and it's like no way it's probably great for the chemistry because that kind of was the vibe but I was nerve it was nerves I was nervous I wasn't really talking to him he already had the part right and you had it I hadn't I didn't have it right so it was nerves and I guess I wasn't like hi nice see yeah yeah yeah let's go I go here I'm yeah job you know what I mean yeah and I really also she's the dominant one sexually in that relationship. So I was like, he had the power in the room because he had the job.

I didn't. But I was like, don't cuck me, bitch. Yeah. Like, I'm here to like, I'm the boss. Did you ever have to do a chemistry read with Mahala? No, which is insane because we have the best chemistry. Ever. Yeah.

Yeah. Thank God, by the way. Because if the show would just be a complete, I don't even know if you haven't be a character anymore if it wasn't for like, that chemistry. It became the love story of the show and it so easily couldn't have been. It's the only love I feel like they know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally.

Is with each other. Yeah, yeah. And it's like they keep betraying each other and it's like how low is too low for them until there's no going back. Yeah, I mean, maybe this. Well, you finally see Harper have morals. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, right, right. You finally see her be like, what is going on?

This is her line. The crazy, the craziest part of season. and four was when you were at the house in Austria. I know. And you're looking at the painting and it says A. Hitler. I know. I know. I know.

And she's like, what the fuck? You're at an actual Nazi house. I know, I know. I know. It was insane. It was insane. I literally was like, I said to Mickey and Corrine, I was like, this is so dark. And like the fact that Yasun then goes for a walk with her afterwards.

And it's like, what do we? I mean, no, actually that was at the end, wasn't it? But still, invites her to the dinner. I was like, oh, next to Harper. And when she sits on the sofa with Harper at the very end, it's like, I'm really sorry. Obviously, I had no idea. Lies, bitch. You did have an idea.

You saw the Hitler painting. But I feel like Asman almost believes it herself. Yeah. She's like, well, you know, everything's kind of excusable. I didn't know that they'd actually be racist, like then and there. Right, right. You know what I mean? Like, it's one thing to have a.

Hitler painting. It's another thing to be like racist at a dinner table. Yasmin just like it's full of excuses. Just full of excuses. What do you make of the, her playing her dad's voice mail over and over and over again? I think it's a bit like you know what they tell you Scientologists kind of do, which is like trauma, like shock therapy. How many times can you listen to this thing that is that has traumatized you? Right.

Until you are completely devoid of like the horrible. emotional response from it that's what she's trying to do she's like we're seeing herself like numb in real time lot you know like i i see yasmin this season is like a big kind of like door like doors being like locked one at a time right and that's the final like clink and she's just like yeah a villain yeah a villain i mean i don't even want to say like she's in her villain era because that makes it sound like It's fully like there's no. There's no coming back from what's happened. There isn't, but we're about to do it's season five.

So what the fuck is happening? I don't. No. And I'm, when do you guys start filming again? August. I have the first of episodes. Do you really? Yeah.

I don't even, normally I would be like, tell me everything off camera. I don't even want to know. No, I don't think you do. I need to experience it. I don't want to know before I go in. I want to read the episodes as they, come the only time I needed to know ahead of time was season three where obviously in episode six it's clear that Yasman's killed her dad right so you need to behave that such so I need to know that

from the beginning because there's flashbacks but if there's no flashbacks I don't need to know because Yasmin doesn't know so like let it happen in real time but I mean you know I read these last two episodes and I was like are they duties like like like like like does it it put season four on its head kind of um the thing of the great thing about micky and comrade is that they don't go like exposition at the beginning of the episode as to why like everything has changed now they back themselves and they're like oh we said this is where it was going to go so this is where we are but it's not necessarily like you know it's not what you'd expect i never is no no course don't Never is.

Yeah. I miss PurePoint. I know. Me too. I miss the good old days. I know. A trading floor. Yeah.

I said that. I was like, it would be really nice to see, you know, at some point in season five, a big trading floor scene. I don't know where that would happen now. Or how it would.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Oh, my God. Well, truly your performance this season has just been nothing short of. Extraordinary.

It is so nice. It's true. I tell you, every time I see you out, I'm always like, oh my God. I love that every time I see you out. Like I'm not just like always like out and about on the street.

But you, every time I see you always like, I love you. I know, I know, I know. I know. And I really appreciate it. Obviously, it's like the nicest thing. Well, it's well, well deserved. Thank you. Louise, do you have any question?

Because this is Louise's, today is Louise's Roman Empire. I mean, I guess it's not like, there's just so much. There's so much meat to the show. Like Henry, can we talk more about your relationship with Henry? Yeah. I would love to touch on more of that because do you love him? Did you love him? Did she ever?

I think that he, like, if you're going to marry for money, you don't really ever know fully whether you're in love with someone or not. Like, what they are giving you is so valuable. It feels like love. I also don't think that Yasmin fully understands what, like, love is. Did she ever, like, lie in bed thinking, I wonder if he's thinking about me? No, fuck no. But I don't think, and did she about Robert?

Yes. But does Yasmin necessarily equate that to love? I don't think so. I think she thinks like, can I visualize a life with this man? Yes. Do I want to buy what he's selling? Yes.

Am I attracted to him? Yes. Like, that's enough for her. Did she love him unconditionally? Does she love, would she ever have put him above herself? No, but she would never do that for anyone. Maybe Harper.

Maybe. Maybe. Had to push. Maybe. You haven't seen it yet. But like, I pray that there's just like, I know there won't.

be, but I need a happy ending for them. I know, me too. Because, like, that scene where they're at the bar and she says, like, when the fuck are you going to look after me? And she says, tonight. And they, and you guys, like, find you like, kiss and you dance and you do drugs and you're like, and it's like, that's the, I think the only moment of like hope throughout all of season four.

Yeah. Yeah. I think the best thing we can see from Yasmin that would feel redeemable to an audience that loves Harper as well, I think would be for her to do something that feels like, like, purely altruist, like purely good for Harper. Like a selfless act for Harper is like what we need from Yasmin in season five. We've never seen it. No, we've never seen it.

Like even when Harper was staying at Yasmin's house, Yasmin kind of like held it over her head a bit. 100%. 100%. 100%. Yeah. But I do think like I think that Yasmin loves Harper more than she's ever loved anyone else on the show. I think she did love Robert. But I don't know.

Is that all? But it's like, it's not, you know. Yeah. And I think she loved just how much Robert loved her. 100%. I think she. I think she. I know.

I mean, the garden scene, it just wrecks. No, I can't even talk about it. Also, yeah, I've not done a sex scene in this show in a while. I didn't do one in season four.

I don't think. That was the last one I did was that bench scene with Robert. Oh, my God. I forgot about that. And that was like, it was like the first time. that I think anyone really on the show had like made love. Yeah.

You know? And it was like it was the least, it was the most sentimental I'd seen the show was that. And there's that whole flashback of like all of the moments of their relationship. I mean, Mickey and Coroner really that sense. The show is not, it's pretty unsentimental and pretty savage. And then you get moments like that. And it's like, oh my God. It's so, I miss Robert too.

And I think that like, I think that he just opened. up things for both Harper and Yasmin that is useful for an audience. It's just, it would be nice for the final season, one last time to see the whole gang get back together. For like five seconds. Yeah, yeah. It's all I could ever want. Yeah.

So, what are you therapist about today? Oh, my God. Okay. Let me think about this. What do people normally say? Like, what kind of... Anything. Anything.

I'm therapist that I'm like back in the throes of euphoria. Oh, okay. Like I thought I was off it. I need to. And I'm back on. Pretty hardcore. Are you enjoying it? Because is it one a week?

It's one a week. And the thing about euphoria that I didn't think they would do that they did is the characters have all connected again. I thought too much time had passed from season two that like Nate and Cassie were doing their own thing. Alexa Demi was doing her own thing. Like Rue was doing her. Like everyone was off doing their own thing. But they all come back and connect. Nectin's episode three.

And it gets you. Yeah. And I was sitting there on the couch last night like, fuck, I'm back in it. I love that. Yeah. It's amazing to be able to bring all of those people. I mean, those like, like a list celebrities back together. I don't know how they managed to do that.

Well, it took five years. Yeah, it's true. Yeah. It's true. It's kind of amazing. I would say that I am pissed about. How hot it is? in this room, tell me.

You know what I'm pissed about? I'm pissed about how far LA away is away from London. That's what I'm pissed about. It's far. I wish it was closer. I love it here so much. Do you really? I really do.

And I also am pissed about people being like, I hate L.A. And vice versa. I hate when people in London are like, I could never live there. Like, and I hate when people here are like, I could never, I hate London. I'm like, how a lot of people here are like, I hate London. What? Yeah. What is there to hate about London?

the doom and gloom. I think obviously everyone's like I hate the weather, but also people are just like, it's not like New York in the, it's not like anything could happen, it's all quite rare. And I do get that. But I think once you kind of get under the skin of London,

it's the best city. I think it's like one of the best cities in the world, obviously. Like New York on crack. Yeah, yeah, I agree. I think it's so fun. Where are these people going in London? I know. I think they're like staying at the Corinthia on a press tour

and they don't, they're not going anywhere else. You know what I mean? but I love being in LA I think it's so fun but I hate the fact that it is 11 hours away on a plane can't sleep on a plane so I'm just like that you can't take anything to sleep

I mean listen a bit like I mean listen usually I'm landing and then I'm going to work so I like I'm like no I can't I don't want to like I I'm most that shit stays with me yeah and I'd be sat here right now like right song time

So, yeah, so obviously I'm always coming here to work, so I can't. But I wish it was closer. I love London. Do you? Yeah. What's your favorite thing to do in London? I think what I love about London is how, and I say this about Europe as a whole, is how day by day the culture is, as opposed to like, let's think a thousand miles

in the future. Oh, 100%. I think a thousand miles in the future every single day. And that's just like how I was raised in New York, how I was, how I live here. It's like, people can say L.A. is very day by day, but it's not. But in Europe, it's very like, wake up. What do we do today? Let me get my job done for the day.

Yes, for sure. Let me exist as a person today and then we'll figure out tomorrow. Well, I think that's also about like, oh, I can just sort of walk around and decide what it is I want to do and bump into a person and have a kind of like spontaneous moment. Whereas here, that is the one thing. There's no, you can't be spontaneous really, can you? You have to have it figured out because like you've got to get in your car and drive for a while. And I don't drive. I know, that's insane.

Yeah, it's insane. Because I obviously get Uber's everywhere when I'm here because I've never, I don't want to drive on the other side of the road. That freaks me out. I can't. So, and I can't imagine living here and Ubering everywhere. That is crazy. I know my Uber drivers.

Because they probably live nearby. Yeah, yeah. Do you get recognized like a bunch in London? Yes, in London. It depends. But the thing is, the difference is, In London, I would get recognized by bankers mostly. Oh, are all the bankers watching the show?

Oh, they love it. They're obsessed with it. Because it's real. Yeah, it strikes a chord for them. Yeah. So in London, I would get recognized mostly by bankers. And obviously, in L.A. and New York, I get recognized by creatives. Yeah.

And so that's a different feeling because you're like, people aren't like, Yasmin. They're like, oh, my God. The actress that plays Yasmin. And they want to talk to you about like the making of the show or like you, whereas that, whereas people in London are like, it's Yasmin. You know what I mean? I'm like, it's not. But have you ever been like scared to like play a certain storyline out for Yasmin? Because you're like scared to like portray it or?

Yeah. I was definitely scared about the end of this season. So it's like it's just, it's so dark. And also I was like, I was like, are people going to be okay in terms of their own experience? is watching this like that i think you have to be aware of and like aware of you know whenever you're getting into kind of areas around like consent and all that kind of stuff you've got to be careful um in a in an artistic way i'm not necessarily scared to like broach difficult territory i think as an actor the things i'm usually more scared about are like sex scenes or like you know

that's like nerve-wracking whenever i see that in a script i'm like okay i've got on or there's going to be a day in that month where I am naked in front of a whole room full of people. And I actually find that scarier than the camera that's capturing it, that's going to show it to a million people, which is weird. Because you can separate it. Yeah, it's like... You can be like, that's gone now, but when you're like actively naked in front of,

I can't even imagine. Right. Because also, when the camera goes down, it's me again. Yeah. And that's vulnerable. Whereas I'm really quite... free about the fact that like that person that exists inside your television isn't me but the person that exists when you put the camera down is so if I'm then still stood there

naked it's like I'll say I'll have been like wow yeah yeah yeah and then as soon as they go down I'm like this because I'm like that's so exposing you know and you've just been talking to the boom up about the fact that like his kid is going to nursery tomorrow you know what I'm yeah and you're like I'm naked right yeah and it's just jarring yeah that's jarring When did you know you wanted to act? Well, my mother is an actor and she mostly does theater, has always done theater. And she raised me sort of, she was a single mother. So when I was, when it was at school holidays and stuff, she was in a play, I'd be like in the rehearsal room for her plays or I'd be in the dressing room while she was getting ready.

So I was around it a lot. But at the same time, I knew that it was quite a up and down career. I knew that, like, you know, sometimes it went better than others. And like in the years where it wasn't so good, it was kind of sketchy and it was a hard career. So I resisted it for a long time. And although I would do school plays and stuff like that, I didn't want to do it necessarily as a career. I actually was accepted to university to do history with a law conversion. And that was my goal.

And then when I was going to open days at universities, I was like, I don't care. I, like, just don't care. Like, I wouldn't be an actor, but I'm just scared. And I think I needed the valid... I went to drama school, and a lot of people don't. But I needed an institution, like Rada, to say to me, you're good enough for me to believe it,

to commit to a lifetime of being an actor. And then, were you on a bunch of auditions before industry, or was industry one of the first? I was like, industry was like, maybe my third professional audition ever. And did you, like, think anything? Like, did you go into it thinking, like, I'm going to book this. This show is going to change my life? I have to say, like, okay, no, I didn't know that it was going to change my life.

And I didn't, I knew it was good. I'd read enough scripts by that point to know that, like, this was really good. Didn't, I wasn't like, I'm going to get this. But I have to say, I think I, like, accidentally manifested. my whole life. Like I was never like, I was never like, oh, is it going to happen for me? I think once I got into Rada and once I was, you know, in that amazing creative space, the amazing actors and like surrounded by people that were inspiring to me, I was like, like, you have to back yourself. Yeah. Otherwise, it's such a scary industry. It's such a scary. I mean, you know what

It's like when you're, if you're going to put yourself out there, you have to, like, think something can happen from it. Otherwise, what's the point? So when I walked in that room, did I know I was going to get that apart? No, but was I like, if they give it to me, I could do it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I was excited. And I didn't think for a second, like, you know, on that first season, like, that I would end up here about to do a fifth season.

really in a show that people think is good. No, I didn't know it was going to be like that. What it has become. Yeah, it's amazing. Are you scared to say goodbye, Diaz? I am. I am scared to say goodbye. I am.

I love, I love playing her. I'm excited for the future. Like what, what, you know, at the end of the day, there is something obviously incredible about being in something for five seasons, but also it's a lot of time. So what does my life look like when I'm a bit more free? Part of the great thing about being an actor is like playing all of these different roles. So I'm excited to just see what that brings.

And, you know, you take meetings with people and they're always like, and have you got another season of industry? And you're like, yeah. And they're like, okay, well, I'll see you. See you then. So that's exciting. But, yeah, I mean, I just hope my God. Like wherever we end this last season is where she ends.

And that is the suckiest part. Like God, she didn't end here, though. Because they would. Yeah, I know. For sure. They would. If HBO didn't pick it up, like that would, like, that's the last image of Yasmin lying on that flawless thing to her dad's voicemail.

I mean, bleak. Really bleak. But who knows? The neckline might be even bleaker. So. I pray it's not. But I know it will be. I know.

That's the worst part is. I know that it was, it's, in industry, I feel like there is not a happy ending for anyone. Yeah. Ever. Yeah, I know. I know. I think that maybe Rob got an okay. And when he's driving away, I mean, obviously it was like heartbreaking.

Where did he go off to again? The States, right? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Or San Francisco or something to sell mushrooms. Yeah. Good for him.

Good for him. Do you keep in touch with Harry? Yeah. Yeah. My heart of Harry and I are very close. How are you? dealing with like visibility in the public how do you handle that because i feel like every season for industry gets bigger and bigger yeah definitely yeah i mean it's interesting i never think of myself as

someone who anyone really i mean like fame it's so interesting there are such varying degrees of it in our energy you see people that are like it feels crazy for me to talk about fame when like you know, there are like people that are so famous in the world. You know what I mean? Like all I care about is having the level of success that means I can book whatever job I want to do. And like so for that with industry, I feel like it's kind of a perfect level of people that watch it, especially in our industry, like it enough to think like, she's good. She could do this.

You know what I mean? That's great. when I'm not you know sometimes when people are like for example I was like picking up a prescription the other day at my pharmacy in London and I was like it was like post workout I was like holding

like pills like this on my hand and someone was like can I get a picture and I was like I really don't want to be the person who's like no especially at this point in my career it's like who do you think you are you know it's not like everyone's stopping me every five minutes on the street but like you know you should that kind of side of it is a bit is I guess a bit jarring but

I just like love that people love the show and it always depends what they say when people are like I love if someone's like I loved you in back to black or I loved you in back black black bag I'm like oh I'm always I always expect it to be industry so I know I told you I loved back to black thank you I really did yeah I thought you did an excellent job It's very kind of you. It was, you know, it's a big one and it's stressful to take on something that is so, in terms of visibility, you know, that's hard. Taking something on where, like, people have genuine,

it's one thing whether people think that, like, people hate Yasmin or love Yasmin, but they, like, at the end of the day, if they're watching industries, it's because they like the show. Whereas when you're playing someone like Amy Winehouse, that's going to just come with opinions that is very difficult to juggle. Well, because people are like, you are taking on someone that we know. We know. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And we know her. And that was always the thing with Amy was I feel like that people, she was this ingenue that everyone thought they knew. Totally. And she just completely, like, rejected that. Yeah, yeah. And so you kind of saw that in the way people react to anything done with her. Right, right. Also, it's like they have personal connections to her music, which I have nothing to do with, which I completely understand.

And, you know, you're like, if that's, if Back to Black is the album you listen to when you were going through your first heartbreak or when you were like, didn't have friends at school and that was the album that you listened to. And then there's like this girl that's like, I'm about to play with Amy Winehouse. You're a bit like, well, that's, she's my, what are you talking? You know what I mean? I get that. But it's interesting.

I think that, you know, I think that women have a very hard time with biopics often. people are a bit more like, no, you stay in your lane. You know what I mean? And I think that that's hard. And it's hard to watch, frankly, like, you know, young men get away with it in a way that, like, I just see people, you know, attach to things

and then there's an outcry online and then they drop out. Because, you know, I think it's hard. It's almost like we see you as, this star. We see you as Marisa Bella, this star. You also can't be this person. 100%.

It's almost like all the dudes can get along, but it's like all the, like the woman can't be other. And also it's like, was she, I think there's a thing of like, would she have even liked you? You know what I mean? Right.

But it's like, can these two women share a space, you know? And I think people are a bit more like, who do you think you are? That is an icon. And who do you think you? you are. And like, people don't want that from women, which is, it's hard to take it, to step into it. What you're saying is you are willing to at least try and fill the space of something that is

massive and amazing. And people are like, mm-mm, not you. Right. You know what I mean? And that's really, I don't think that's going to change anytime soon, unfortunately, but it's what I love about Mickey and Conrad writing industry. Like, you know, they're like, be messy, make mistakes, go crazy. And it really gives us a space to not be so afraid. I mean, you know, I remember when I was filming back to black, I was like, people are going to hate this. And I never felt like that with industry. Really?

Even when I'm doing something like the end of season four. Yeah. You know, people might hate this, but I'm like, I never feel like people are going to hate me. It's because, yeah, it feels like, I don't know. I feel like I view it as such like a people view, like, women as like, we want you to be successful in this bubble we've created. The second you join bubbles with another female or whatever, like exist outside of the space

we've created you in, like, it's your off. I don't want to know. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Well, what's something you like learned about Amy while filming that? Because I'm a huge fan. Are you? Yeah.

Yeah. Me too. I mean, she's just the most amazing artist. I guess. I mean, there were so many things. Things like, I mean, little stories that were helpful were things like, you know, she had this, she had a bird that she loved and it died when she was 12, called Ava after like Ava Gardner and they had a funeral for it. Like she loved animals, things like that. Like she was so giving. She would always, there were like neighbors that she had that she would always like try and support financially, incredibly giving, incredibly generous, which I think gets lost in the fact that, you know, in just her reputation and the kind of,

uh, the like outbursts that she would have publicly sort of out shone everything else, but this spirit of generosity and people around her when I was researching for the role would say things to me like, that is so important. She was so funny. Like she's like like a whole woman of people laugh. And she was like,

she was, you know, she could have been a stand up if she wanted to be. She could have been this. And I think that that was really important. Yes, I'm playing like Amy Winehouse, the singer.

but it's like no you're paying the person the person that could have been a million things if she wanted to be and I think the main thing that I wanted to explore was like her capacity for love like this woman that like wanted so badly to like be loved and be a wife and a mother and like that was the heartbreak for me

in the story was I mean she couldn't have reached to higher heights in her career but again like where do you play where where does your value come from i mean i think the thing about amy was that she was someone with like actually a lot of self-belief if anyone had told her she was a bad singer she'd have been like as if yeah she 100% knew that she was like great in that way but did that give her the sense of value that she was really looking for as a person no and that's

why where drugs and alcohol come in you know yes there's like there's a fear and there's a shyness when someone steps on stage. And I do think that that got to her because people thought she was great so she had to be great every time. But really that like that hole came from the fact that like this thing that she was great at wasn't

filling her. Oh God. It's heartbreaking. It's really heartbreaking. Yeah. Do you have a favorite Amy song? I think love is a losing game. It's like one of the greatest songs of all time.

It's one of those. I found fuck me pumps. the first album more like i love that song i love doing all of that album like playing that version of amy was so great because obviously it's more joyful so it was so fun to like play fuck me pumps and do um all that stuff obviously yeah but love is a losing game what's that song she has about the guy being gay maybe oh yeah oh yeah please go to her first album what what's it called it's called like um so good. Yeah, it's so funny. It's so, she's so witty.

She was so witty. So witty. Oh, stronger than me. Stronger than me. Stronger than me. Stronger than me. Oh, of course. Also, by the way, I had to sing that song a million. It didn't say that I couldn't even remember the name. I had to sing that song a million times because it was a montage in the movie. So I sung it in like a hundred different versions of where she was. And it was, I mean, I probably sang that song more than any other song in the film in terms of like how many times I actually sang it.

It was, that's what I mean. She's like, she could have been a stand-up. That is a hilarious song. Yeah, it's like you. Are you gay? Yeah, are you gay?

Yeah, are you gay? Like, why am I taking care of you? I feel like all she wanted to do is be so loved and taking care of. She needed to be looked after. But at the same time, like, the pure force of personality. I mean, people would say things to me.

Like, the thing about Amy was if she decided, she was not into you that day like it was the coldest place you could possibly be like she was a savage in that way like when you were in her when you were basking in her light it was like

the warmest most beautiful place to be if she was in a bad mood with you it was like not fun right like oh baby chills so I was like okay it's powerful yeah powerful very powerful oh wow I think one day I'll be able to watch it

and be like at least like proud of the person that did that like was to film that for that you know did it it's it's a hard one for me um but you know i um yeah i'm glad it now i'm glad i did it and i'm glad it it exists but was it tough in the moment when people like had opinions about it it was it was tough and it was tough because like you know I had to at the end of the day it was a film that was like about this one person and I was playing her I had to promote it and the question that every every journalist had asked me was like how are you dealing with the fact that like no one wants you to be doing this and I'd be like it's so rude and I'd be like well you know um it was

it's hard but uh I think the the film speaks for itself and you have to just got but it's like why would you ask me that? What you wouldn't be like is, and there was also a part of me that was like, Amy would tell you to fuck off if you asked her that question. Am I not to swear? Because I feel like I've swears. Yes.

Oh my God. Yes. But I have to sit here like an idiot and just be polite and like whatever. Just like not along. And it was, it's brutal. It's horrible. So, but actually, yeah, even more than people, because at the end of the day,

something like Twitter or Instagram or whatever, exists until you delete the fucking app and then it's not real anymore you know what you mean like no one it's as real as you make it so you can be there like doom scrolling i deleted instagram i didn't have instagram for like nine months because the day the first day i was on set was in soho and there were paparazzi pictures and they went out and it was like everyone was like boo you know and it frees i was like it was so jarring but i was just like delete and then i've got to do my job at the end of the day I can't not turn up to work tomorrow. So I have to turn up to work tomorrow and believe it and do it.

How can I create an environment where I can do my job? So I just deleted the app and I didn't see it. So it wasn't real until people would tell me it was. And like, you know, it's always the people that are like, um, you know what it? You're like, okay, I'll never, I know you're not my friend. You know what I mean? How are you doing? Yeah.

They're like, oh my God, I couldn't do that. I couldn't do it. Yeah. You're so strong. I could not do it. I'm like, okay, you're saying I couldn't, like, do the job where, like, everyone hate, like, do tell me that. Yeah, you know what I mean?

I don't want to. Because you're being them. Yeah, exactly. I want you as my friend to lie to me right now and say, it's not even that, like, it's not even that. Fuck that. Who cares? Like, their loses.

Everyone, like, it's going to be amazed by, you know what I mean? Like, that's what you need in those moments. So, um, that was harder was like the, when people, you know what I mean? But I, I, is. I think it taught me a lesson of like what it is I want from my career. Like when I, when I take a job, why am I taking it?

Like what kind of characters do I want to explore? And I need to be able to, when I'm doing promotion for something, back it. I need to be able to because otherwise it's a long, it's a long slog this job, you know? You aren't just,

it's not the three months that you're filming, or the six months or the one month or the whatever. It's like these things exist now. And they're online. and they're on Amazon or they're on whatever and people are going to be able to watch it forever so you need to be able to back it. A thousand percent.

But I remember you saying to me and I mean, I don't know if it's too much but remember you saying to me like there's a community like online that you're like, you don't know whether they like people fully accept you. And it means the same thing. Oh no, yes, yes, yes. Yes.

I said this to you at the Oscar night. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And then, oh my God, that week after was... Was it? Yes. Oh, my God. I got destroyed.

Why? Because people thought I did a bad job on the carpet, which was whatever. But what I realized, though, at the end of it is that, like, while I'm still breathing. Exactly. Exactly. And I'm like... You're like, what's the worst that could happen? What just happened?

And I'm still doing it. And it's crazy because I always thought people, I would always say I'm so scared to get in trouble. I always think about it, like going to the... like getting in trouble like with the like my audience or with people watching me and then I was so petrified of it so petrified of it like consumed my entire being it still somewhat does but then at the end of the week when I was still alive and breathing and like I was like oh yeah I saw have my friends yeah of course I saw my bed that's it isn't it you're like everyone's gonna be ashamed of me to like be around yeah there's a panic that's

sets in the end of the day, there must be a reason that we do this and put ourselves in the firing line for all of it. Because you want to be validated. You want to be like, I love watching you. You know what I mean? I love, I agree with you. I love like.

And so when you put yourself in the firing line and the exact opposite happens, you're like, oh, no, this feels bad. And of course it does. Like, evolutionarily even. Like, think about it. You're being like cast out by the like, you know, People that you're begging to accept you.

It is so jarring. And it feels like fight or flight. It feels like panic. Yeah. But you have to, it's really hard to kind of separate your worth from that thing and be like, oh, I can still do my job.

I can still carry on and I can still, it doesn't mean, but what's hard is that you also have to not believe people when they say are amazing. Yeah. Because you can't be like, oh, I believe you. You just have to have that, like, intrinsic faith of, like, trudging forward, like, no matter

what noise, good or bad. And it's so easy to be taken by both. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I remember I had to do a recording that week in the height of, like, when everyone was really angry at me. And I remember I was like, oh, my God, this part, I thought they were going to cancel. Like, I thought all my recordings were going to cancel. And then I, do you remember that? And I walked in and I was like, well, I'm so surprised you.

guys are here like da-da-da-da-da-da and they were like girl who cares they were like also the other thing is is that i think if you've got a good community around you of people within our industry that like if anything when i see that happen to someone my instinct is to be like no yeah don't do that to them you know what i mean like don't that's so because it's so it's so it's just so stupid you know it's like it's like this is at the end of the day it's it's not it's not life or death like it's not it's not it's not There are real things in this world that are life and death. Right. And people don't give that the attention they give to bashing.

Oh, 100% by the way. It is like the craziest thing. It's like political situations where people can genuinely get away with murder. Legitimate murder. And we're like, you know, my like wig is to the side. And people are like, never again. Yeah. It's.

It's crazy. It's crazy. But even like, like, also people, it doesn't. matter to anyone else as much as it matters to you like I didn't even see you know what I mean I didn't even see that I had no idea that that that happened to you right and you but to you it feels like the end of the world going to want to work with me again I remember saying that to my agents after after that I was like people are going to be like oh poor girl she was good in industry it's such a shame we can never work with her again you felt that way oh 100% yeah I felt like I was

like it was like it like you say it's like it's like you become like a virus yeah You take on this virus of like hatred that other people are pouring on to you. You didn't do anything necessarily to deserve it. But it's like once you're contaminated by it, everyone's like got a hazmat suit on and they're like, peace. Peace. And that's why it's like that, that made me realize anything. It's like, oh my God, I'm so grateful I have real friends. Yeah.

Yeah. Because there are certain people that don't have friends. No. And their friends are all people in work. And it's like, oh my God, I'm so grateful. I have best friends from college. And I was going to say, so do your friends not all work in the industry? Because you grew up in L.A.

They do now. But it's a very, my best friend who you just met Alice. Yeah. Still works like normal job, works retail. Like she really is a very grounding voice for me. When someone that you know wants the best for you, it's like, I love that person that you have in your life. You're like, oh, actually, that's probably good. I should definitely.

Yeah. Okay, good. And she like, she gives me like the toughest, toughest, toughest, tough. toughest level when I don't want to hear it. I do not want to hear it. She'll come, like, I'll be on cloud nine. She'll come grabbing me down. Like, don't get, like, don't get it twisted.

Yes, yes, yes, yes. This is a false sense of whatever. That week when that was all going down, she was the one person that made me feel better, more than anyone else. Amazing. And I thought she was going to be the one that was like, I don't even remember.

I just remember hanging up the phone and feeling better. It's all I remember. It's just hanging up the phone and being like, Like, oh my God, like, I thought she was going to be like, you shouldn't have done that. You shouldn't have done this. This was a mistake. She, like, didn't do any of that. She, I hung up the phone and I felt like a weight was lifted.

I was like, oh, my God, at least I have Alice. Yeah. Yeah. 100%. I know exactly how that feels. And I think that it's the friends that offer you tough love, though, that in the moments where you, when you need, you just need support, can also give it to you. Yeah.

It's the people that are being like your biggest cheerleaders on your art. up that are then like when you're down like those are the moments where they like they don't quite know how to handle the awkward thing of it being like oh it's slightly messy yeah whereas like you know it is this career this light it is messy it's messy so you need people to be able to be like hits or whatever it's up it's down it's like you know I remember you know I have a my best friend is like he's the same he's like that for me and I'm like he has been going through a bit of a tough time recently career-wise he's an actor too and he just had like the biggest win and and i been with him for all of it and i'm like but what's great is that like you know things have been going

pretty well for me and it never it's tough when you have friends that are in the same industry as you it's hard to watch when you're not feeling great about your career at the moment and you have a friend who's like you know on a press junkie doing it it never gets in the way and that's but that's human to feel that way though Of course it is. By the way, jealousy is like the most human thing ever. And people feel like these days paint it very black and white and like villainized jealousy. Yeah, yeah.

And it's not really like this villainous feeling. It's this very natural. Yeah. And it all comes from insecurity. Of course it does. Whenever I felt jealous, it's because I'm like, I don't know. That's lacking in me or in my life. It's not because I'm like, I'm amazing.

And you don't desert. Why would anyone not, whatever, you know what I mean? I completely agree with you. Yeah. Wow. I feel like my third eye was just opened. Do you do therapy? I do.

Okay. I actually just got a new therapist for my OCD. She's been good. Wow. But I don't like, there's, God, therapy is just like some days you're like in it and then some days you're like counting down the seconds for it to be over. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. So funny though. I always find that like I don't by the time for it when I, need it and when I do need when I don't need it I'm like I could do some therapy like I have time in my life so stupid I just have been diagnosed with OCD oh really well because I never thought I had it because I don't give it I don't care about things being clean neither do I thought it was about clean it's not like it's a part of it obviously I'm like I'm not like dirty whatever but like my room's a mess and like I'll come home from I'll come home from work like now there's no way I'm getting home

packing my suitcase the day I land. No. That's not how my, so I was always like, I don't have OCD. I know people that like, do, do, do, do. Everything's in their perfect place. That's not who I am. But obviously, like, obsessive, compulsive. Yeah.

In other ways. Can I ask what made you, what, like, how did you get diagnosed? I, I was like, I can't turn my brain off. I just can't turn my brain off. Yeah. And so I went being like, It's just I keep and I and I'm thinking the same things all the time and also I'm like always making lists and I'm always being like these are the tasks that I have and what and the end of the thing you know I'm I have a lot of stress and I kept telling myself oh I have so much stress in my life and I was creating this like kind of whirlwind of like these I just I just I just become obsessed with things and I can't become unobsessed like intrusive thoughts. thoughts, I guess.

Yeah. That was. And then you get scared of manifesting those thoughts that you're like, it's like, it's like, the most insane pattern that you're just like. Because I'm also like, I really believe that words have power. Me too. Super believe in manifestation and like super believe in like, I think I've willed everything, both good and bad into my life. Yeah.

And that makes me scared. But that's why OCD is so scary. It's so scary because you're like, uh-oh. And you can't talk about it. No. But you can't stop thinking about it. I can't stop thinking it and you're like, uh-oh, I'm thinking this thing and therefore it's going to happen. Yeah.

And it's like having a big red button. Like, and someone's like, don't press it. And then your brain is like, press it, press it, press it, press it. And then, I mean, this is kind of dark, but I had cancer in 2020. And I convinced myself that I'd thought it into existence. And that was like, I mean, obviously that's crazy. I was, I was 20. It's crazy now, but in the moment.

In the moment, I was like, I remember when I got the diagnosis, I was like, I knew it. I literally like that. Crazy. You know what I mean? Instead of being like, I knew it. And it's like, because where as soon as, as soon as I felt ill, I was like, I'm sick. I'm really sick. Oh, and then I felt like it was on you.

Yeah. And then I thought it was on me because I was like, in another world, if I'd have been like, I'm probably fine. Yeah. It wouldn't have been. that. I mean, I know logically, I know that's insane, but also, who knows? You know what I mean? Obviously, but, you know, it's just, and what's hard, I think, about this industry and this life is you can be, it's such a positive thing, feeling like you're operating on a really high vibrational frequency

where people are like gravitating towards you and good things come to you and you are a person where things happen to, that's good. You don't want to be the person that, like, things aren't happening to but then I you can get in your head where you're like that's also works in a negative scale you know it's it's it's such a tough industry to have OCD and it sounds like it's like magical thinking OCD is what they call it yeah where it's like I've created this and that's how I I used that's how I like it's and that's yeah it's it's horrible it's horrible I'm so sorry that you but it's it's good good that people are talking about it now it's good that people are talking about it now and it's an OCD isn't just like a thing like I think it's great that there will be a generation of people that grow up

knowing that it's not just like oh I I didn't lock the front door I mean that yeah but you know it's not just that it's like whatever because I had no idea well people used to not believe me in high school I would be like I have OCD and they'd be like but you're because I'm such a messy messy messy like I'm a mess messy messy messy messy person and people would be like you don't have that OCD is when things are neat and this and I'm like I don't think that that's what it is yeah yeah yeah Like it's like this obsessive need to, it's like control. It's all, it's such a control thing.

It is. It's like the idea that like you're in the passenger seat and your OCD is like in the front seat driving. And you're like telling them where to go. But it's also like telling you yourself. It's like the wildest. I don't even know how to describe it. Yeah. Yeah.

That's how to describe it. Yeah. It is exactly like that. And other people can't see the difference between like the, it and you and you're like yeah and it's like it's like okay can you and the OCDs like can you grab this out of the the glove department

because I'll need that in order for this to make this turn and have this good thing to happen that's like how it like but it's you it's so hard to make it not real when your fear comes true that's exactly what it is so and when you're the good things come true yeah you're like I will that I knew it

I knew it I told you yeah and then everything bad that happens you're like I knew it Yeah. Oh my God. It's insane. That's why I, like, if you'll, like, if you'll ever hear me be like, if someone will be, I'll be like, oh, my God, I'm so happy right now. Right. I'll never say like I'm so happy, period.

Right. Because I'm scared that if I say I'm so happy period, then it'll, like, cause my OCD to, like, steer off and something bad will happen. Right. Like, I'm so scared of concrete things. Yeah. Because I'm so scared of, like, willing other things into existence. Yeah. Yeah.

That's it. Oh, this is the deepest we've gotten in a while. Oh, really? Yeah. I mean, this feels like therapy for me. Yeah. I know, same.

But that's good, right? Yeah. I love, I think it's so important. But then again, I'm also into anything that, like, anything that's, that's, like, it's, like, a good thing that isn't therapy as well. Like, I love, like, I've gotten more into you recently, like, something like acupunct. for example. Oh, I'm obsessed with acupuncture. Are you?

Yeah, obsessed. Are you? I dream about it. I do too. I like love the little needle. How many too, how many times is too many times for acupuncture? I think you do it every day. Love it.

I love it. Because I also think that that's, that, I think that it's kind of in the same vein. You're like, okay, take the wheel. Yeah. Yes. Like, it's not, it's just do, like, and then I can immediately feel like, yeah, free. That's why I, like, fall for, not fall for it, but like, go for so many.

health trends or whatever because I'm like I'm like okay great I'm fixing it yeah I'm fixing it something correct is happening there's actually a shaman in L.A. that someone gave me the number of before I came out here and they were like they will just like do everything and I was like I'm I just can't wait and I you go and he's so funny he's like clearly whatever I text him and I was like hey I'm coming to L.A. Are you free? And he was like texting me when you get here and if I'm around like I'll see. you. I was like, no, that's the most LA.

LA, no appointments. No, it's not real. I'm having so much fun with you. And all I can think about is like going out and having fun. Okay, so living room is where you would take it. Living room is and it's fun. You sit outside, you smoke a cigarette, you have a drink and you and you're just, it's like children

a little bit. Okay. Yeah. R.I.P. Is it still burnt down? Yeah. It's coming back. But the thing is I feel like when people thought children died like everything in London died now was like, well, they must not be doing London right. Oh, no, 100%. Yeah, you have to, like, you have to know where to go.

Yeah. And you have to like know. Also, London is about like restaurants, bars, clubs. Like, it's not in the same way as here where it's like you go over dinner and then if you're going to go out, like there is that one place that everyone goes to and everyone's going to be. Right. It's not, and also the most fun people in London aren't at Chiltern.

Right. You know what I mean? They're like, they're, when you, children's a great night when. it's when industry, like when it's like an industry week is in terms of like the BAFTA week or like the Grammys or whatever. What's children like during the BAFTA week? It's amazing. Oh! It's the best because like that's then when it's like, oh, because then it's like we're in LA.

Yeah. You know what I mean? Like everyone's here and this is where everyone's going and like it's an industry. London becomes an industry town for the first time ever. Whereas 90% of the time, if you're in a pub, like, no one is no one works in my our industry no one right you know what I mean everyone does like so okay they might like watch your show and enjoy it but at the end of the day they don't think that you're what you're doing is any more important than what they're doing or that their wife is doing it's not

they're like okay whatever but that's like the beauty I think of London and like Europe culture yeah it's weird in America I feel like we like put celebrities on pedestals Like, like, that is the basis of celebrity culture here. 100%. Yeah. Like, the only thing that I think is different, and I think this is global, is musicians. Mm-hmm. Like, like, whenever, and in London is this, like, if some, if, if, I mean, have you said

that, though? I know Olivia Rodrigo, like, she's, because she lives in London and she, like, comes to a few, and, like, people are pretty chill about her. But in a way that I'm like, you're, to me, I'm like, you're. Olivia Rodriguez. Yeah, right. Yeah. Yeah.

But even me, I'm like, whenever I see pop stars, I'm like, I love it. It's a rush. It's like, oh my God, I feel like I'm witnessing magic. Yeah, 100%. Who do you listen to? What type of music do you listen to? Oh my God, I really listen to everything. I grew up listening to like rock and roll.

My mom loves rock and roll. So I grew up listening to like old school rock and roll. But now I love pop. Honestly, like I love pop music. Like I love listening to hits. Like I'm, if I'm like a bit. board of my own thing that's going on, I will listen to the charts and I'll be like, and I just enjoy that.

But, like, at the moment, like, I've been listening to Harry Styles' new album, I love. That's been fun. I love, um, Olivia Dean. Yeah. Love her. She's having a real moment. She's having a real moment. Love Ray.

Uh, love Ariana Grande. Love Ari. Oh my God. Love. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He is like, that's our girl.

Yeah, amazing. Yeah. But I really do just listen to everything. Yeah. I'm kind of the same way. I feel like I, as long as I can find a good melody and like good storytelling, yeah. That's what I'll go for.

Storytelling is your thing. Yeah. I love a good story in a song. Okay. So you love like Taylor Swift. Taylor Swift. Yeah, okay. Yeah.

I just love the way she tells a story. I just think it's like so. fascinating and I love like a story that you can't really tell what the truth is and what's not like and we can't be friends like you don't know if that's about her ex-husband 100% or the public

100% and when you can view the story multiple ways it feels like I'm in English class yes yeah I love like a I really love like a ballad for that reason because I feel like emotionally someone's like like one of my favorite lady Gaga songs of all time is um oh my god

are you about to say speechless No, I wasn't. Marry the night. Why am I blanking? Ben Platt didn't, you and I. Yeah, phenomenal. Because I'm like, because I'm like, I'm in that bar with you. Yes, you can also, you can smell it.

You can sense it. Something that I'm like, the story in it, it's almost like a monologue in the sense that you're like, you can feel what the character wants from the song, which is like, to, I mean, I don't know, in that, like, to, like, sing to someone being, like, get over here right fucking now. You know what I mean? I love that.

Have you heard Ben Platt's cover of that song? No, I never have heard it. It's amazing. Oh, I, I've heard his cover of Diet Pepsi, which is also. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You and I, Ben Platt, and he, like, does this crazy riff at the end, and I'm like, it's amazing. Oh my God.

Yeah. Okay, I'm going to listen to it. Yeah. Well, speaking of music, the soundtrack to industry is fucking phenomenal. It's so good. It is really so good. I think that the needle drop thing of like at the end of an episode and like, bon, and they do some crazy.

Beef is doing it at the moment as well. Like, Beef. Phineas is the composer for Beef. So that's why it's. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I didn't know that. Yeah.

That's so cool. He's like, he has a real career in like, composing television shows. Really? He's done a bunch. Yeah. He's really, really good at it. Yeah. Because he can view music very cinematically.

Yeah. Like as a story. 100%. And he's very good at it. Music is so important. Okay, are you ready to tell me what's wrong? Yes, I call it. These are the pussies submit what's wrong in their life, and we tell them how to fix it.

Or try to. How do you get over the fear of going on a bad date? Like, genuinely, I went on a coffee date for the first time in 16 months, and it was genuinely hard. I can't sober date. I can't. I'm sorry. I can't. I, I have.

have to have a drink in me. Yeah. Or else I'll be too, like, so I got it. We kept talking over each other. His breath smelled, ew. We had literally nothing in common. At least he picked me up and paid for me, but I'm not taking this easy. It might be another 16 months for me.

I hate dating. Also, a bad day is hard to come back from. I went on one once, and it was a dinner date. And I remember the guy was like so nervous. And I just remember being like, fuck this. Yeah. And you just have to be like, I'm out. It's the whole thing is also just so, like, pick me.

Like why are we both putting ourselves in a situation where we're like just kind of, I don't know, it's, I mean, it is so hard and humbling and like such an intense experience. I would say, I would say, like, a good way of getting over, like, dating jitters is to like go out with single friends, not friends in a relationship with single friends. who like also want to meet people so that you can maybe meet people a bit iRL before the date yeah because like if we're talking about like meeting on a dating app and then meeting up of course that's like the most intense version of the thing yeah it's awkward it's not like natural to the human experience no it's so awkward it's just dating sucks like dating is never easy do you speak on the phone to people you haven't met in person like no but i I've done it before and it actually is somewhat helpful.

To speak on the phone. To hear their voice. Yes. Yeah. To like it is somewhat helpful. It's like the equivalent of like meeting at a bar and like taking their number and being like. Yes. Yeah.

Yeah. I think that that's good though. Like speaking on the, if you're just meeting someone cold for the first time, maybe just like a little cool. Like a face time. It's so awkward. It feels like networking. Dating feels like dating and networking and all of it has become so. that's why like going out and like manny who's sitting out there once was like I read that like if you read a book in a public setting people will come up to you by the way it's true it works it does work it worked for her because people are like oh this person is like from an like an older time so they they don't like necessarily need me to like DM them like they this person wouldn't mind like an ancient way of speaking which is me coming up to you I once was reading a book

at a coffee shop and someone came up to me and was like, are you enjoying, and man came up to me and was like, are you enjoying that book? And I was like, yeah. And he was like, I wrote that book. Shut up. I was like, what? And he gave me his number and whatever. He left.

I googled the author, not him. Wow. Not him. And I was like, in my mind, I was like, do I respect it or is it kind of like psycho? It's a mix of. And I decided it was like a bit too psycho for me. That is crazy. I think it was like a bit narcissist too.

And also not crazy to be like at some point being like, I'm joking. It was just an excuse to get your number. He gave me his number and then left and then what would, when was he going to tell me that? It was, it wasn't him. Yeah. Weird. How did you meet your husband? He went to drama school together.

We were in the same year at school. And how, did you have, what was your first date? Well, this is a thing. Like, obviously we were friends for a while. So he hit on me day one though. Uh-huh. He hit on me day one. I had a boyfriend at the time.

And when he heard that, he was like, oh, boring. And I was like, uh. Okay. Your wedding is her Roman Empire. Really? Yeah. Why so? I love that.

The hair. Oh, yeah. Like, you know, you know it was amazing. It did look good. It was the best day of my life. And like all of the photos. And I saw him on the interview how you said the thing about the champagne in the beginning. Yeah.

It just looked so chic and chic. Oh, thank you. It was so fun. Planning it was so fun. Didn't go crazy. It really. we both enjoy the process didn't make it about anyone

else it was just about like us oh I can't recommend getting married enough it's so fucking fun it also felt so like obviously I don't know you but it felt so you guys and like like you enjoyed yeah it wasn't like and then what do people do

it was like what do I want to do also I'm obsessed with I love a party like I love a party so I was like oh if I'm going to throw a party, it's going to be fun. That's all I care. Like, I want the party to be fun. Like, at the end, like, I was like, the very end before we all went down to, like,

dance, I was like, I was like, and then I want everyone to have a tequila shot. So everyone had like a little bottle of 1942 to shot, like at the end of like all the speeches. I was like, I just want people to get wasted. When everyone was like, is it, um, is like, is it just wine at dinner? I was like, fuck no. Like, if we wanted tequila. like drink but you know you've got to be specific about like where you're spending the money

whatever really we were smart like it wasn't crazy and people spend such an inordinate amount on weddings now of course you know whatever I was like the things that didn't matter to me I was like fucking whatever I just want everyone to have the best time ever and I really think they did money doesn't buy a good time it can it of course it can if people know yeah like what how to have a good time then there's like no ceiling on how much money but like you can have a good time anywhere do you need like right display like whatever like no one remembers that shit no they remember if they were dancing till five a m six am whatever like my hallo was a bridesmaid micky and comrade were there harry was there kit was there everyone came conner it was so fun and we had sprint events this was like

something that i was one of the things i was held then on was like we were going from one place to another and one of my least favorite things at weddings is like when you've got to travel and there's like a traffic jam or something or like you're it's slow oh and it kills the vibe completely yeah everyone's on like a huge coach so like you've got a it's just a bit hot and like no I was like I want sprint advance I want people to like I want it to feel like the president is coming through and I want like I want like I made playlists for the way there and the way back that I timed on the way out so I like on my phone was like what do I want people to listen to? to like as they're coming up the driveway and seeing the house at the first time, what do I want? So what do I want people to listen to when they're going to the party? Like, I want them to. You're a good party planner. Oh, yeah.

I was like, in another life, like, I would, that's what I would do. Yeah. Be like planning wedding. Because I've never heard something described that way. It was so. That's pretty brilliant. I loved it. By the way, I am what I am was my wedding song.

Was it really? Yeah. Like your first dance? My first dance. And it was choreographed. Oh. I mean, we choreographed it ourselves. because Jamie does musical theater.

And I was like, Jamie sang I Am What I Am at a Pride cabaret at Rada when we were at school together. And that was the moment I was like, I love this man. It was the fact that someone wanted to sing a song about like self-expression and freedom and joy and happiness, I was like, yeah, bitch, that's my man. even though it's like a gay anthem. Oh, that's so beautiful. Yeah. Oh, well, congratulations. Thank you.

On a beautiful wedding. That is Louise's Roman Empire. My favorite thing, by the way, when people come up to you on the street and they're like, it's not like, I love Yasmin. I love industry. I love it. If they're like, I see your wedding and you're, it's iconic, I'm like, what's your phone number? Yeah, the hair is her Roman Empire. Thank you.

I'm a serial Instagram stalker of exes, friends, randos, etc. Sometimes I zoom out and realize how fucking weird this is, but I'm addicted, L.O.L. This is probably so bad for my mental health. What do I do? I think delete. Delete Instagram. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Delete Instagram for a bit. Come off. Scrolling is like, doom scrolling is hellish. Watch a TV show. Find something that you,

because like you, like those like obsessive thoughts of another person's life, you can place those thoughts elsewhere. Yeah. You can place them into characters of a television show. It's really good advice, actually. Oh, thank you. No, it is because it's like we, that's what that was created for in the first place.

Right. We talk about film and television as like a release from the everyday as like fantasy and, you know, we can put entertainment. And we've like turned that into like just scrolling on people's Instagrams and it's so not as interesting or creative or what the whole like hundreds of years of the movie industry has been sort of made for. Watch housewax. lives. Oh, by the way. I know. Yeah.

I know. Are you watching Rhode Island? I started it because you said. Really? Yeah. But do you like or no? I, listen, I love it all. But the thing is, is that I have to, you obviously have to invest for a second.

It takes you second to be like, season one is always hard. Season one is always hard. It's always hard. I'm slowly drifting away from my family with each passing year. It's hard because I lived abroad for three years now and communicating with them on a regular basis is so hard. We never expected this because I was only supposed to go for a year in college and now just live here. It's expensive to travel back and forth, so what do we do?

Frifting from family is the worst. The worst. And it's hard. My husband lives, is from, is American. He's from New York. And when you, when you have, someone's always going to have to make the choice to be further away from their family. I don't know. I don't know either.

It's like, what is? I mean, obviously, travel is expensive. that's a thing going back and forth, like it takes a commitment. But maybe find somewhere to meet in the middle sometimes that feels like less, like if it's a long trip, feels less. The thing about like drifting away from family especially is like I feel like maybe this person feels like I've drifted so far that it's awkward. I don't want to face the awkwardness of the first 10 minutes of whatever interaction we have next.

And it's really just like ripping off a band-aid. You have to just do it. And like acknowledge that it's been weird. Yeah. Like acknowledging it is like God and like give yourself grace. I feel like like that's the thing I've learned about family and everything is like my mom was like once like you're only human. Like you know what I mean? Like you need to give yourself grace for like not. Like there's no rule.

Family has no rules and blood has no rules. And like you need to give yourself grace for like maybe being distant. And not, like, you just, like, more grace is required. Yeah. It's not as, like, linear line. People don't necessarily, like, also, your, if your family are, like, hurting that you're a bit further away, that's coming from a place of love, too. Yeah.

So it's, like, it's just getting back to that place where it's not so awkward, but it's tough. It's really tough. It's tough. Family's hard. Well, Marisa, what did we learn today? I learned that I feel like we are super similar. Yeah, and that we need a night out ASAP. Yeah.

And that if you are not watching industry, sit down and watch industry. Watch the show, guys. It's good. At the end of the day. At the end of the day, it's like objectively good. It's, you can't say it's bad. It's a good show. And it gets better too.

It's not. It's wine. It's a fun. fine wine as are we on the show like we're getting we're just getting better with age babe well marisa thank you for coming on therapy thank you so much i love you this was so fun it was really fun bye pussies