Therapuss with Jake Shane - Session 123: Paul Rudd

Episode Date: May 28, 2026

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of everyone's all your besties have done it. Uh-huh. And I've been like waiting to do it. I'm so, I've been fully waiting to do it. And you know what? It makes me feel really good that you feel that way because I sometimes don't view this as like something desirable. Really?

Yeah, sometimes I feel that way. Yeah, yeah. I feel like you're very self-deprecating and we have this conversation a lot. But like, which camera should I talk to? Jake is him. And I always. Say that. And I always say that. And then we go out and I'm like, damn, you're really him. You make me, there's, you make me feel so good about myself. And I hope I can, I hope I can make, I hope that you feel that way when I gas you up.

I felt that way once really strongly with you and I think about it a lot. Okay, really? It was the first time that you like genuinely landed yourself to me and your advice to me. And it was like November last year when I was in New York for a long time shooting that short. I remember. And I was like Yeah, I locked the fuck it Yeah, you like there was one call where you locked in and he he looked This is so rare man, he knows this is rare

He locked in, he looked in the camera and he sat there for 30 minutes and he gave me straight up advice On like how you will feel long term if you act on this now blah blah blah blah like he went on and on and was like You were loaning your like your advice to me and you just honestly you hadn't done that before Maybe I was just like, damn, he's being a friend. Right. Bare minimum. No, no. You're the best friend.

Well, first, we need to congratulate Charlie because... On what? You just... Charlie just walked the Dior crew show. Thanks, you guys. I thought you were about to, like, surprise you or something. Thanks, Lulu. No, and that's your number one fan right there.

Well, I'm Louise's number one fan, and I have been since day one. Yeah. Like I've been locked in And I've been a supporter of Louise For a long, long time Mm-hmm Louise, do you hear that? Yes, I love you, Charlie.

It was a gag. And I felt so, It was so, I kept saying everyone around me, Like, I know him, that's my best friend. I just thought you did such a wonderful job. It was so incredible. Thank you. And I got to say to everyone,

like, that's my best friend. You know what? That night, you were also locked into being a best friend. Because I was so proud of you. Yeah, it was also like a really, just a cool experience. And those people like, we don't have to get into it.

Yeah. They're artists. Like, it was, it was very inspiring. We need to talk about how you have not seen off campus yet. No, not a single, not a minute. But that's something that you would be so locked in for because, like, you die for this mind. I know, you know, I have a, well, I don't really want to say that. I'll say it.

I struggle with TV generally just because. You're a movie person. I, like, I literally have seen every movie. and I love, love, I'm very passionate about film. Very. And so I struggle with TV because you really have to loan yourself. And you have to be like, I'm not going to give you two hours. I'm going to give you like sort of a piece of my mind and like my life.

Didn't you how to get away with murder? Was that not you? Oh, no, I've done it. I'm three rewatches. Like, how to get away with murder? Yeah, it's like a really pivotal show to me. Viola Davis is like that. No, she's a vision.

She's like on my list of, she's on my Mount Rushmore. Like she is one of the, she's the great, if not one of the greats. No, she is one of the great. Like, yeah, she's, I'm really shook by her. And so that's the reason I started watching that show. And then. Does it get crazy? Because like, I could, that show I go feral for.

What season? You guys seen that? Does it get better past season one? Yes. But. Oh my God. Cut. Let's change shopping because not one of these things is going to make the fucking show.

Yeah, I think it could be funny. Funny one-liners. You are probably the funniest person I know. Are you kidding? Well, is that true? I think one of them, like, you make me laugh really hard. Yeah, we do. You know what?

It's the we of it all. Like, it's the, there's a push and pull. And I'm like, one of us is doing one and the other is doing the other. One of us is going. Yeah, it's like, I, and then it's also like, it's also like a tug of war.

It's like, you give me something and then I like, yank it and make it really funny. And then you fucking, like are hauling it back as well. So the joke never ends with us and it's like, then we'll bring it up a month later. And like,

do you think we're discovering what friendship is for the first time? You for sure discovered it on that face time in November. That's when you, that's like, I think you. realize in that moment what a friend was. Yeah. No, I mean, you've always been a good friend, but what I mean is like, in that

moment, I think I maybe was like, oh shit. He's like, he's here with me. I have feelings and I care. I have selfish tendencies. Yeah, you have selfish tendencies and also like, like I'm also guilty of this. It's like sometimes it just really does feel like the world is revolving around you because you're you. And like, that's,

I don't think that people should blame themselves for that unless they act upon it and start being like really openly selfish and start demanding things of people that don't owe them anything. And you've only done that like four or five times. With me? Six, seven. You're her. Do you remember six seven at the restaurant in Vegas? Wait, what happened again?

It was like he just like he said the fish could feed six seven. You guys, like, I am holding on to 6-7. I think it's funny. I'm, I think it's, like, I'm locked into that. Like, I think it's great. I don't know why we love it and I'm loving it. And I think it's our sort of like, our generations. Like, I'm about to be a millennial for loving 6-7 so much.

Right, right, right. But I think the thing about 6-7. That I'm so, like. But I think the thing about 6-7 is that it made no sense. It made no sense. And now when it comes up, it's like, well, six, seven. It can serve six to seven people. Yeah, like, it's there.

It's a joke that walks in on itself. Yeah. And it's just like, was that described correctly? Sure. I don't really know what that meant. Like that's what I, it's like a joke. It's just right there. It's just right there.

And you don't have to do anything. Like, are there any, did our generation have a joke like that? I don't think so. Like just a random. Maybe like a Jeff. Like nine plus 10, 21. that was big. Oh, so I was, unfortunately, that wasn't part of my universe,

but I'm interested. I'm interested to hear a little bit more about it. I think 6-7 is funny. 6-7 is funny just because, like, I think you're just funny. Me? Yeah, like, 6-7 jokes aren't funny to me, but the way you just described that was funny because you're funny.

Well, it's just, for me, it's like the way it lands every time. It's like if somebody that I don't really know, like, here's 6-7 and somebody's talking and they hear 6-7 and they go 6-7. I'm not even batting it. I'm not looking over. Right. But it's like when there's a camaraderie about it and like when you're with your friends and like there's a vibe.

Like 6-7 is funny. It's a vibe. What are you going to eat? For dinner? Yeah. I wanted to have dinner together and I didn't know. Like, and I know you're moving. I'm in the middle of moving and I actually, I'm going to say,

what I'm therapist about, even though this is not the full episode. I'm pissed at Jake at the moment because he is not understanding that I'm moving and you're being very selfish. I know. He's demanding a lot of someone who gets very unstable in between homes because the house is a real physical thing. The home is an idea that you build and create. And right now, I don't have that idea around me and within me.

and I need my home to, like, really be there mentally. And I'm in the middle of moving. So when is it going to be done? I'm, the truck comes on Wednesday morning. So, and the truck leaves on Wednesday night. And I keep forgetting this, just an intro. I know. Well, now it's making me think.

I think we need to do a real. I'm like, should we episode? Am I even going to be on Netflix? Yes. Is this, should this go on? I am TV. Before we go, because what are you doing for the rest of the day? Do you want me to accompany your move at all?

Or would that be like... Oh, that would be hell. Imagine moving with Jake accompanying. It's like... That is nightmare fuel. Let's talk about one more thing before you leave. Okay. Who's the clown, Audrey Hobart?

It's one of the best albums of all time. To me, it's one of the most formative Yeah. Listening to that for the first time was like, like being 13 in my, I feel like everyone says this, but like really I felt to my core, like it was like I was a girl in Connecticut

in her bedroom, in her like, with posters on her wall. With posters on her wall, with like someone that she was Snapchatting. Yeah, that's how I felt too actually. And it's like, it's like she is singing in a really catchy tune all these very actually like physically uncomfortable feelings

like feeling uncomfortable in your body she's like making a pop song about like feeling uncomfortable in your own skin yeah and it was like bumpin yeah like you're bumping hard yeah and it's like sex in the city oh my god yes and it was like there was such a shamelessness to that album like yeah what you were saying that was like oh my god i've like been waiting for something this shameless and this vulnerable without it being vulnerable and moving, which is more like Ryan Beattie and Lizzie McAlpine territory where it's like that those songs like really I feel them deeply and like viscerally but her one it was like oh my god I'm

not embarrassed to be saying these kind of embarrassing things about right how I feel thirst trap I mean the best one on that album is silver jubilee and you're not going to agree no that's brett's favorite it. Really? It's just so, like, goofy. I just say a home cut. Maybe for the sake of the story, we'll take it back to the course. I didn't go to her show.

I didn't go to any of it. Well, don't worry. She's performing in Edinburgh with Lord in August. Are you interested? I'll tell you what festival I'm interested in. Let me know in the comments. There are no comments. On Spotify there is.

Okay, on Spotify, their comments. I'm interested in Lollapalooza. Yeah, me too. Have you been? Yes. It's amazing. Oh, you've been? Yeah.

And you know what? I'm going to be in town. It's town is Chicago. You fucking idiot. Yes, I am. You're going to low. I can't I? You said, I'm going to be in town.

Why are you going to be in town at Chicago? It's like August 1st. Yeah, but why are you saying I'm going to be in town? In town is Chicago. I mean, like, in the States. Oh, okay. That's not how you do that. That's not how you say that.

Right. Charlie, it's, There's one thing Charlie loves. It's a live show. I like a live show. I like a Broadway show. I like going to the movie theater, which I consider a live show.

I would love to go to the movies tonight. Oh, that would be good. Obsession. Did you love? I haven't seen it. Have you seen it? No. I think we should go to IPEG and see it.

Yeah, I mean, everyone's talking about it. What do you guys think? Louise, I'm good at this. You're like, you're exceptional at it. Like you'll- Oh my God, I have so much more to say. Can we do another episode? Yeah. Do you want to do-

No stop. I think so too. But I can't sell. Like, I'm not selling. It's not what the full episodes are about. Really? It's about like having fun with your friends. That's where this podcast started from.

I don't think I'm worthy. Let's see how this performs. Okay. So did you have fun on your first therapist's experience? Yeah, I had a lot of fun. It was like, it was, you know what? It was short and sweet. Also, I want to say really quickly,

just this is something I was thinking about on my way over here. You can put this in or not put it in. I just want to claim this idea as mine because I can't figure out what platform is an appropriate place to claim this. But I actually think therapist is a really good place. I just don't want somebody to steal it because I have been vocalizing it a lot, especially when I'm like drinking or whatever. So I just want to really claim this right here and now. This is my idea for the movie and no one else is. And I came up with this five years ago.

What movie? Night at the Museum, Madam Tussauds. and I just need to get in front of Ben Stiller. I'm being dead serious about this. I'm talking to the camera. That's brilliant. That's brilliant. It's brilliant.

And I've had the idea for like five years and I've written a treatment for it. Bibles in the works. Visually, I have no idea what I wanted to look like, but it's honestly up to Ben Stiller. I need to put this in front of Ben Stiller. I think this movie is like seriously a really fucking good idea. And you could get everyone in on it.

You could get everyone in on it. And it would be the ultimate gag. and the ultimate laugh. And I don't think it's a family movie. I think we get them in the Hall of Presidents and there's some funny political shit too. I think it's a brilliant idea. I'm really interested in making it.

I want to claim that. We're keeping that in. Yeah, I think it needs to be made. I think that's something we need. I think it's something we would die for it. Are you actually interested in this? Yes, I've written a treatment for it. But I just need Ben Still or I need to, I don't want to go through anyone

except I want to speak directly to him, so I'm going to find him. Well, thank you. This is just been. So fun. So fun. You know what? Thank you.

And on tonight's episode, we have Paul Wright. Do you do podcasts often? I've done a few, but I don't do a bunch. I've done Conan's. And Amy Polar. Oh, well, she's just like the Mecca podcast. Yeah, totally. Who else?

She went a Gigi for it. I know. You guys have caught me on such a good day. Yeah, why's that? Because I'm happy. Yeah? Because you're here. It's a Sunday.

You're so, people don't know when the day of the week, what day of the week it is. Your eyes are very beautiful. Oh, thanks, Jake. Wow. Have you guys ever noticed this? Answer. Thank you, Manny.

Mani's my girl. it's the it's the light is really oh which you've complimented it's a giant window yeah can't see it but if they could see what we could see right now they'd be like wow cool view they'd say new york right you're from new jersey i am north south or central i'm from literally like as you cross the george washington bridge right there you know i lived over the george washington bridge that's where i grew up in washington heights oh so i lived in palisades park okay so do you call it a turkey ham or or pork roll? Yeah, what is it?

Turkey ham, a Taylor ham. Or Taylor ham. I don't know any of this stuff. The only reason that I even know a little bit of that is because of you and Nick Jonas talking about it. Oh my God, I forgot we spoke about that. Yeah. And I watched that.

I need to speak about more things. I think. No, no, this is a topic that I think needs, that warrants discussion. But I don't really know. Maybe you could explain what. You didn't grow up eating those? No, because I lived in New Jersey until I was about five and a half. and then I moved, I moved to a few different places,

but I kind of around in high school, and I grew up in Kansas City. That's really where I kind of considered. Oh, on the St. Louis side or the Missouri side? Well, Missouri is, St. Louis is on the far end of Missouri, and Kansas City is kind of on the opposite end. But there's like Kansas and Missouri, and I was on the Kansas side.

You guys just fucking played in my face. Why would you tell me that it's the Missouri side when I said St. Louis first? No, by the way, the Missouri side is really where everyone, And I lived minutes away from Missouri. There's a road called state- So you lived on the Kansas side, though. I lived on the Kansas side.

People say, oh, they sometimes think it's two cities. Is it Kansas City, Kansas, or Kansas City, Missouri? It's one city. But it just kind of covers both sides of the border. And there's a street called Stateline Road. And when you're on one side of the street, you're in Kansas. And when you cross the street, you're in Missouri. Isn't that fascinating?

Do you like geography? I do. Oh, I love that. So did you ever go to Arthur's Barbecue? Yeah, sure. Which barbecue places? I think we went to Arthur's. Oh, really?

Delightful. There's a lot. You know, Kansas City really prides itself on its barbecue. It's amazing. There's a lot. I did not feel good after, though. No, it kind of, it's like you kind of need to set aside a day if you're going to really eat barbecue because you feel like you need to sleep right after. I just like the sausage links.

Sure. What do you like when you get barbecue? It really depends on where you go. Arthur's. I don't know. I don't know. I would probably get, I would probably get burn ends or, or I like, I like ribs. And I like pulled pork, too. I hate pulled pork. Do you? I hate when it's pulled. I hate pulled chicken. I hate pulled pork. I hate all that. I hate it. I think that it was kind of my entry into barbecue.

Poled pork. Yeah, because I, it, at first, when I lived there as a kid, I didn't even eat barbecue. Is this why you don't age? Because I didn't eat barbecue as a true. Taylorham. Taylorham. I'd stick away. I stay away. Are you vegan? No.

So why don't you age? But I do. You don't. Oh, you're kind for saying, but I really do. You don't. Do you have Botox? No. Shut the fuck up.

Look at my face. Do you see? You have no creases. You have no creases, nothing. Okay, well, there, if you do that, I have like a full... It's pretty bad. You know what I thought? Well, you're like, you're like...

you're going like this. Yeah, but it's more than when you go like this. It is like, kind of like, rip. Yeah. Wait, so, you know, I found out I have high blood pressure today. Really? Yeah. So what happens now?

Right? Like, do you have to, like, do you just change all to your diet? Do you have to take medicine or what? It's funny, because I haven't been drinking for a week. And so I'm like, wait, that doesn't make sense. I haven't drank in a week. I've been working out every day. No.

So I'm like freaking the fuck out now that I have high blood pressure. What does that mean? Do you have high blood pressure? I don't think so. Okay. But I think it means, you know, what do I know? I don't know what it means. But I think that you're probably okay.

You know, if you're continuing to exercise and you're eating all right, it'll take care of itself. You're a young man. Unlike me. How old do you think I am? By the way, you're 26. You knew that. Yeah.

Okay. Are you having fun? I'm having the time of my life. What did you expect walking in? This. Oh, okay, great. And your daughter is here? Yeah.

Shout out. Darby and Charlotte. Big fans. Oh, you play volleyball? I used to. I can't anymore. Why? I got too many concussions.

Okay. Are you okay? I'm fine now. Okay, cool. Well, Paul, what are you? therapist about today. I tell you, hey, Darby, remember? This is something I thought of that both of us were like, oh, when we're in somewhat enclosed

spaces, whether people around and somebody is talking loudly on their phone, as if no one is around and they're treating a public space like it's their living room. I do that. Do you? You do? Really? Frequently. Really?

In nail salon, hello. Like, I'm, I can't help. it. I didn't know it was rude to take a phone call to restaurant. I don't, I think maybe, well, it also, you know, you're... It's horrible, actually. You're making me rethink. No, I, I... Well, now I feel bad. I feel like I've put you on the spot. You are such a good person. You know what? It wasn't, it wasn't, it...

No, it's... It's bad. It's really bad. I also stand up when airplanes land. Oh, but that's all right. You think? I do. Do you? You do? I don't you. Well, sometimes I'll be like, oh, we haven't come to a complete stop.

Oh, I'll never get up until we stop. You get up before you stop? No. Well, I try not to. No, I think, well, you'll get it. What do you, if you stop? Beep. Oh, you get up, you've stopped, but they haven't.

I mean, come on. At what point, I think it's all right, too. Do you like to travel? When they say, put the, you know, your seat up and your tray table up and put your computer away and turn your phone on airplane mode. I think all of that is nonsense. You think the airplane mode thing is nonsense? I know it's nonsense. I only put it on airplane mode because it's not going to work either way, so I might as well save the battery. Well, I think that, well, that's smart, but I think that there's something to do that it can with a frequency

if too many people are off airplane mode to the pilot and they're talking to control tower. That occasionally it might be an annoyance in their headset. I think I read an article on it one time. You read a lot? I mean, far amount, but not really. I don't. I don't read either. What, no? What?

What? You don't read it all. No. What, like articles? Mm-mm. No, really? That's... I'm trying to think of the last article I read.

I do read articles. I read the paper. No. Yeah. Every morning? Yeah. Like you get the paper and read it physically. I don't get it anymore.

Now I'd read it on my phone. But I used to. I was one. one of those last, kind of like the last, I like having a paper. I like separating the sections. What's your favorite column? Every day, I'll do the crossword puzzle. And I like the puzzles. I like the game section. Do you play wordle? I do play, I used to play wordle every day, but my wife plays wordle every day. And because we have the same thing, I can't reset it. Do you know the word today.

No. Do you want to play the wordle right now? Sure. My wife will do the wordle and then I'll do strands. So we have an unspoken thing. It just happened where we, it's like, all right, that's what. She'll do connections and then I'll do sports connections. Oh, you like sports?

I do. Eagles? No. Okay. What's our first word? Shane. Okay. I don't know if that's a word, though.

It's not really. Not word enlist. Okay. Well, then do shake. Shake. Nothing. Okay. How about fruit?

Fruit? Fruit. Oh, my God. You're smart. Okay, so we have a yellow for the F and a yellow for the U. Oh, it's game time for you. By the way, this is going to take up. You'll speed this up in the edit.

Okay, let's maybe start with W. you? I've actually, I don't know if we're just getting seeds freight or I usually figure it out I know. I mean, yeah, yeah. I think maybe a little bit of that, right? Puffy. Yep.

That's it. Thank you. That's what I did see. I did see a double letter, which is why I knew. Right. Puffy. Are you a party guy? Not really, no.

No? No. No. No. I, um, you know, something, it's just happened where now, like, the idea of getting into bed at about 8 p.m. And not like, listen, I love it. Starting the day early.

It's like I'm, this is, it's a bane of my daughter's existence where she says she feels like she's living with, you know, like the cast of cocoon. It's just so, I have no, I live such a old person's life.

Have you always been that way? No. Did you still, like, go out? Yeah. Yeah. How were your 20s? Yeah, we'd go out quite a bit. I lived here, so it was fun.

You had fun time? Yeah. How old were you when you did Clueless? 23, 24, I think. Wow. And then how, okay, so how did you get, like, was that, like, was that like one of your first roles? Yeah, it was. It was the second movie that I ever did, but it was the first one that ever came out.

Okay. And so how did you, what was the audition process like? I had graduated from acting school. NYU? No, it was called the American Academy. Academy of Dramatic Arts. Okay. And I had gotten an agent and I was, I'd read some scripts that were, you know,

they'd send scripts. I'd try and get auditions here and there. And then this movie was getting cast. They were making this movie and there were a lot of parts for young, like people and kids and stuff. And so I read the script and was like, oh, this is really like, I liked it. I thought it was smart and I thought it was kind of interesting. And I went in for the audition.

But I didn't know. I was going in to audition for the role that I actually wound up playing. But when I went in, I asked if I could audition for a bunch of the roles. What other roles? I haven't seen the movie in a minute. So I liked. You're the stepbrother. Yeah.

I auditioned for, I wanted to audition for Christian. Mm-hmm. I wanted to audition for Murray, but I didn't realize. that that was African American. Elton, which was Cisto's part, Jeremy Cistow, and then they said, what would you read for Josh? Did you have any idea how big the movie would be? No, no, not at all.

I mean, the whole thing was so new to me. Auditioning was new. I hadn't ever really, I mean, been in a movie. I'd been in one, but I don't even know that if I had, done it by the time I had auditioned for Clueless. I mean, I might have done the first movie after audition for Clueless. I don't quite remember. But it was all new.

And you could never predict how these things are going to turn out. I think there was something kind of exciting during the table read that we had of it where afterward, all of us, the whole cast, kind of sitting around and thought, you know, we grew up with those John Hughes movies. And those movies were really important to our generation. Wouldn't it be cool to be in a movie that for a generation that this is a movie that they kind of will be able to quote later on and it was important to them? But you never really think that will actually happen. And then it kind of happened. Was it like a slow burn after or did it just everything explode and now you're not going to?

No, it was a bit of a slower burn. Okay. You know, I think with cable and DVDs and all of that, it was successful when it came out, but it wasn't a smash. And I think just over time, it. it just kind of hung on. Wow. Yeah. I don't know why I thought it was like a heated rivalry moment for you.

No, it wasn't. I never, you know, a lot of the things, it's funny, I was like things that I've been involved with had a bit of a slower burn that have lasted. Like Anchorman was as an example of one that came out. And it did okay. But it wasn't until it was out of movie theaters and,

and, on cable that it started to kind of pick up it had been out for a year already. Do you miss cable? Well, see, it was such a different time because there was no streaming. There was no anything. I mean, I do miss being able to just kind of turn on a television and flip around. Like now it's just there's... But you can flip around in a different way now.

Yeah, but I just don't, I don't ever... Now I just scroll through everything and then I don't pick anything. You know what I really love streaming for? It allowed me to watch every Marvel movie ever. Oh yeah, you can do it in order That's kind of, it's convenient Yeah, man Do you, so did you, do you miss cable?

Do you miss cable at all? Or do you like the streaming? I miss the runs that they would have. Like when I was a kid and I was home, like I would put on oxygen and I would watch like they would do like a bad girls club marathon or in America's Next Top Model marathon And I would just sit there and I would watch

You guys probably don't even know what I'm talking about And I would just sit there and I would watch Like the whole season in one day It was a different form of binge. It was like a marathon of something. Yeah. It was a TV marathon. Yeah.

But yeah, I do miss that. But now it's nice that I can just pick what I want to watch. Like I'm watching Casino for the first time. Oh, the movie Casino? Mm-hmm. What do you think? Well, it's taken me now three times to get through it. So, and it's not to any fault of anyone in it.

Clearly, it's an all-star cast and director. Yeah. Yeah. I've just like, okay, I need to understand. It's a lot of exposition. It's a lot of talk. I don't really know what's going on. It's like the 70s.

I don't understand any of the terms. I don't understand what the fuck is going on. But how many times have you tried to watch it? Twice. I'm on my third now. Right. In two days, granted. Okay.

But I was high last night. I'm sorry. I was like sitting there like, it's a commitment. It's not a short movie. No. But you know what? I do love that it reminds me a lot of.

What? Good fellas. Great movie. Best movie ever. Fantastic movie. Wait, so tell me about Amp Man. Okay. What do you want to know?

You wrote the script? I didn't know that. Well, it was originally written by Edgar Wright. Edgar Wright was the director that brought me on to it. And Edgar Wright, he did a movie called Sean of the Dead and Hot Fuzz. He's a great... I know Sean of the Dead. He's a great director.

And he and a guy named Joe Cornish, another great director, wrote this script. And then it went through... He eventually... Edgar eventually left the project. It went through different versions. and then Adam McKay and I came on and wrote a version of it, but we tried to really kind of preserve what Edgar had really done. Ant Man's still alive, right?

Is he in the new doomsday? Yeah. You're lying. Are you excited? Have you shot it yet? I have, yeah, yeah. Did you shoot with Lewis? I did.

I actually met him while we were doing it. How amazing is he? What a great guy. The best guy ever. Yeah. Ever. Yeah. Okay, please forgive me

because I haven't seen the end game in a few years, but I've seen it a few times. Yeah. What did Ant Man do in Endgame again? Besides Save the Universe. Okay, so he didn't disappear with the snap. No. Good snapper.

Wow. I mean, it's not really that excite. That's actually a pretty good. Yes. That was a pretty good one. bad. You do again? How you do it?

Can you do the, I think I'm nervous. I feel like if I was alone, I could do it. Wait, hold on. I can't, how you do it? Like a water, like the water. Oh, wait, there's the, there's the, no, that's not bad.

That's good. What? That's a water drop. Do it again. You go to improv. school. I think, was it? There was a guy on Nickelodeon once. Fred Newman, he used to do all of these kinds of sounds and he used to host like those game shows and stuff. I remember once seeing him on TV and he went, this is a water,

you go, I just remembered it. That we look like it. How do you do it? You just did it one day? Yeah, I, yeah. You know, when I was a kid, I was so jealous of all my friends that were double jointed so I used to take my thumb and go like this and I would like try and make yourself to be double jointed but now I can do it can you do the the thing yeah the double jointed thing was always weird as this yeah can you do this where you can bend your finger like why are you full of so many tricks and surprises I that by the way I think I worked on that I can't do it that much because there's like those other weirdos that are just like flat I can't feel like I'm trying to be like in Marvel this is what it takes to be in Marvel.

Yeah. Oh. That's a pretty good one. Oh, wow. How'd you meet your wife? I met my wife actually right after I filmed Clueless. So you just live such a good life. I was lucky.

I met her at a young age. You're like, oh, my career is going well. Oh, wife. Oh, now children. It was a good moment in time for me. Yeah, I really lucked out. I really lucked out. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, tell me about your new movie Power Ballad. I watched it last night. You did. The song has been stuck in my head all day. Yeah, it's an earworm, isn't it? It's amazing. Have you heard the song?

What? You haven't heard the song? Have you seen the movie? You're lying. No. It's just worked to you. My daughter is they're not interested in too much. Have you seen Clueless?

It's funny. I never showed it to you. I've never showed my kids any of the stuff, but it was one time when you were little. A babysitter showed you. Yeah. Was she, that's weird.

I know, right? I was like, wait a minute, hold on. You'd never seen anything. You'd never seen anything I've ever done. Your babysitter showed you clueless without your dad's permission. Yeah.

I was a little bummed out. I'll be honest. I was like, wait, hold on, you can't do that. She'd never seen anything I had done. There was one time I had done this, um,

a Reno 911 one movie. Kind of like whatever kind of, it's like, that's my job, but this is my life. And I'm with my family. but my son, when he was really little, turned on the TV, and this Reno 911 movie was on television,

and it was right at a moment when Patton Oswald is, it's ridiculous. He's shooting me with a machine gun and it's bloody, and he saw me getting murdered. It was a little kid, and it really traumatized him. He didn't like it at all. How old is he now? 21. USC was fun.

I went to USC. Yeah. Did you like it? I loved it. I had the best time of my life. Was that the first time of my life? Was that the first time you went out to California? No, I was born in California.

Oh, you were? And then I grew up in Washington Heights, right over the Washington. Right. George Washington Bridge. Right. Do you remember, okay, I don't know if you remember this. Do you remember when, what's his face? Who is the very large man who looks ill?

Not Trump. He was like the governor. He was the governor of Chris Christie. Yes. And he shut down the internet. The bridge. The bridge. Do you remember that?

As a political vendetta. Yes! Do you remember, you know how hard it was for me to get home from school? You got caught up in that? Yes. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yes. And do you know?

It actually, it actually killed someone. It destroyed his, it killed his political career. Well, you know, it killed someone. I don't know if this is false news that I'm perpetuating, but I think someone in an ambulance died. Because they couldn't get through. Sounds ringing a bell. Yeah.

Why? Because I think I heard that. Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. Thought you were trying to like something else. I was like. No, I do,

I do remember when that happened. It was misery. Yeah. Yeah, but he did it to fuck with people. Yeah, because he was doing it to get back at a, at somebody who didn't endorse him, I think. Yes.

So it was like a Democrat. What are you watching on TV right now? I just finished last night. Love on the Spectrum. Okay. I need to tap in. I've heard it's amazing. It is.

I've heard. it's just like so amazing. It's great. It's great. I don't, you know, everything else that's going on, I'm fairly checked out on my wife watches all the shows, my family. What does she watch? She loved heated robbery.

Rooster, she's watching it. Oh, I haven't seen Rooster. Is it really? Like laugh out loud? Yes. Okay. Okay. Have you seen industry?

Which one? Industry. I haven't seen industry. What's it? Have you seen industry? You start watching it. Is it a industry? Is it a

It's the filthiest show on television. What's up with all of these filthy shows on TV? Well, it's about 20-something stockbrokers in London. You can imagine where that goes. I'm more of a love on the spectrum kind of guy.

You watch Euphoria? No. I guess you're like, what the fuck for that? Well, it's, you know, I remember when that came out and people said, if you have kids, you should probably watch it.

I'm like, oh, God. That's not what we were. up to, though. I don't think it was. But I, what do I know? But, no, I have no, I, I'd never sit down and start watching a show, really. It just, when I do, I like it, but I don't do it that often. Severance. Severance I did watch, yeah. Severance I love. Yeah. Yeah. The best. It's great. When's your birthday? April 6th. Are you in Aries? Yeah. What? Is that surprising? You're so nice. Are Aries not normally nice? Are Aries not normally nice?

They are nasty, nasty people. Okay. Aries are nasty people. What's your rising? I don't know. Your moon? I'm not sure. When's your birthday?

When you wake up in the morning, what is the first thing that goes through your head? Oh, God, here we go. Another day. Really? First thing goes to my head when I wake up is, honestly, it's like get up, make coffee, and just do the puzzle.

keep away from as much as as possible. I want my brain to wake up. And then I'll kind of like start reading articles of like from the news. Ideally that's what like I was ideally

I will wake up and kind of I wake up early and I will I will try and do things that are not kind of you know current events and stuff right away. I wake up and check my phone. Yeah. Well I think everyone kind of does that right?

Yeah, but, you know, it's like, like, I go to bed and I get so excited when I start to fall asleep because I, and I can wake up late because then I wake up to notifications. That's exciting. Yeah. You like waking, it's like kind of like Christmas Day. It's better than Christmas. It's literally better than Christmas. Because it's just like how many notes.

Just like, what did I miss? Yeah, and you see, like, do you get, like, texts? Like, do you, are you getting texts? You think we'd be friends. I, I don't know. Do you think we would be? I think we would be. I think.

Or I'm just so kind of like. I think you are like a good person. Well, you're a good person. I think that comes across. Oh, you think. I know it. I know it's true. Oh my God.

Thank you. Wow. I needed to hear that today. Really? I woke up and I felt like a real bitch. Yeah? Yeah. I woke up and I was like,

do you normally wake up in a good mood or a sour mood? Pretty bad. Most of the time I wake up and I'm like, I want to die. Really? But I wake up, I look at the clock and I'm just like, and sometimes I wake up and I'm like, oh. And usually like people will be able to tell. Today I woke up and I was like, oh.

Do you sleep straight through the night? No. Well, yes. I find that something happened several years ago where it's if I would have a glass of wine at dinner, I wake up. I hate casual drinking. I'm not, yeah. So I stopped doing.

You sober? No. I'll still have a drink every now again, but I'm not a heavy drink or anything, but I don't like, I don't like drinking and going to sleep and waking up and I, just the next day. It's not even about feeling high over. I'm just like, I just feel, oh, and I like when I'm,

if I can get to sleep early and I have a good night's sleep and I wake up and I'm like ready, like that kind of ready to tackle the day type feeling. But I find that that is a little more fleeting. At moments in time, sometimes you get so stressed. And it's like I'll wake up, and my mind's going 100 miles an hour. I'm thinking of all different things. Alcohol makes it worse. Yeah.

I've been sober for a week, as I've told you. And I was with my friends yesterday who were so hungover. And they looked at me and they go, how does it feel that like we all went out last night and we feel so horrible today and you like feel amazing? And in that moment, I was like, I do feel better than you. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Not better.

But like I was like, well, I feel, yeah, I forgot like what it's like to wake up on a sad. day in New York and not be hung over. Yeah. And it's like it's kind of dying away and you just hear the noise of the world and it just kind of crushes in. Yeah. What's the most fun night out you've ever had ever? When my wife was pregnant, we were watching TV.

We're living in the West Village and we were watching, I think the Sopranos. I've never seen. seen it. It's great. I know. It's a great show. I know. And so we were watching the Sopranos. It was like, we're watching in the afternoon, maybe a DVD or something. I don't know. And all of a sudden I said, you want to Atlantic City? And she said, yeah. And we went, so we just walked down the street to the dollar renter rental, rent a car, rented a car, drove to Atlantic City, didn't have a place, didn't have a hotel, had a hotel, to stay. I didn't have a, you know, nothing. We just went and walked up and said, we'd like to

get a room and they said, well, we're sold out. Like, you know what, here, just take this. They just gave us, these two randos just gave us a suite. So, like, this is incredible. So we go out to the suite, and then they come back downstairs, and I go and I sit down right, like, I've been there for five minutes. And I'm playing a video post. poker game and this guy, the pit boss comes out. He goes, you're here for the concert? And I said, no, what's the concert? He said, Boston. Boston is a band. They were kind of like a classic rock band. They're great. Do they have a hit? I would now. Yeah. More than a feeling. Like some of like 70s, they were like in the 1976. I think maybe was a feeling go again. More than a feeling. More than a feeling.

And then it's something more than a feeling. Having and dreaming. So anyway, I go, no. I go, when are they playing? And he goes, about 10 minutes. You want to go? And I said, yeah. So my wife, it comes down.

I said, Boston's playing in 10 minutes. And the guy just goes here and gave us tickets, like house seats. We see. she's pregnant. We see Boston. It's an amazing concert. We walk out, I got past that machine,

I put in like $20 or something, and I hit it, and I got like a royal flush. Shut up. I want, like a few thousand dollars. And then we got, and then we went to the suite, and then we just left. I'm like, okay, that's a perfect.

They just kept going. It kept getting better and better and better. and it was an amazing night. That is so beautiful. I thought you were going to be like, I drank until the morning, like, da-da-da-da-da. No, I was seeing Boston with my eight-month pregnant wife. That's really sweet.

That's really sweet. Yeah. Oh, my God, I love the way you look at life. It's not the way. You got to, you know, it's about being content, finding those moments and treasuring them. You should listen to Casey Musgraves. I love Casey.

Do you really? Have you heard her new album? I've heard the one song. Dry Spell? Yeah. Didn't she just do something with like taking also people who are affected by ice and making them? I mean, come on. Yeah.

She's great. That's great. She's great. She's just, she is the one that got me into country when I was 12 years old. Yeah. I heard follow your arrow. And I said, wow, I didn't not know country could be about gay people. country

I love country music really old like old school country music and then there's some like obviously modern country singers I think are really great but yeah what do you listen to

like what do you listen to right now what am I listening to right now what am I listening to right now Darby I mean I guess for mom you and mom listen to a lot of like yacht rock and but for like new bands I feel like you like the strokes I love the strokes

yeah I love the strokes I'm very excited for this new strokes album yes do you like the new Do you like the new single? I do. What's it? Shopping? Going shopping?

Is that what it's called? Yeah. What is it? Yeah. I do. I think it's really catchy. I think Julian Casablanca is a crazy great singer. That's like a crazy.

That's like a rock star. That range is crazy. Yeah. I saw them at Coachella the other week. Oh yeah. How was that? The best weekend of my life. Really?

The best weekend of my life. Why? Because. Okay, so I lost 20 pounds. And I could get on everyone's shoulders again because I wasn't too heavy. And so, like, I know, like, you know what I mean? Like, two years ago, like, I was at the strokes

and I turned to my best friend, and I was so excited. I'm always at music festivals. The strokes are always there. And I've never seen them perform my favorite song in the entire world someday. Greatest song of all time. and they played it like two songs in and I was on my best friend Will's shoulders

and I was screaming the lyrics The desert, have you been to Coachella? No. The desert wind was blowing in my face It was just like This is it The first album is this it? Yeah

Yeah, that's how I felt And it was like one of the best Concert's best shows I've ever seen in my life Was it that was Were they your favorite band that you saw While you were there? You know what I loved about it? It was that like I loved every different performance for different reasons.

So I saw like on night one I saw, do you know Katzai? No, I've heard of Katzai, but I'm a K-pop band. I saw them with all my gays and we were having the best time ever. Pinky up. Pinky up. What's that? That's their dance. Okay.

One, two, one, two, three, but pinky up. Pinky up. It was really good. And then after Katzai, I saw, who did I see? Sabrina Carpenter, who was just to die for. And then we saw disclosure. And that was just like, I was like, I never want to stop dancing. Right.

I just want to dance until my legs fall off. Was that the person? Now, you've been to Coachella before? Yeah, and I've had experiences. Okay. Not good. Right. House broken.

Oh. And then the other times I thought I was like too cool for it. So I was like, I'll go at 11. And then this time I was like, I'm going to go to the festival. And I had the best time ever. Beber was just amazing. But then Sunday I woke up and I said, if I don't leave right now, I will kill myself. That's a, it was just time.

You knew it was time? It was like no fucking around. If I said, we're up, my bags were packed. I said, I'm going home now. And then I got a Benadryl IV and slept for 24 hours. How long did it take to leave? It was quick because we left on Sunday morning. Oh, and everyone was still staying.

Everyone was there. They want to see Young Thug. Got it. Got it. You ever listen to Rap? I paint you as like a Jay Z guy. No, I mean, I'm like, you know, my, I would say most of my taste that I've been, most of the stuff that I listen to is so kind of, it's like stuff like divine comedy or

stuff that's old or bands that are. You know, not really Not many people are listening to. Not because it's like that's so cool. Right. It's just, I don't know like what's popular. You went to the Aero's Tour though, no? I did.

Did you enjoy? I had a great time. You took her? Which show did you guys see? She took me, I got to say. What show did you guys see? We saw the, well, it was out here, was in New York.

Oh, you saw the New Jersey one? Yeah. I'm so jealous. Do you remember your surprise songs? Mm-mm. You don't. No, I bet. Let's see.

I know you remember. Was it Maroon? Did you guys get Maroon? You guys got clean. Yeah. You guys got clean and welcome to New York. Yeah. I don't even know how I know that.

I wasn't at the show. I was not at the show. Yeah. Where did you film Power Ballad? I filled it. By the way, how about that? Do you hear that? I did.

Yeah. It was I, it's, we filmed it in Dublin, Ireland. Oh, Gorge. Yeah. How was it? Fantastic. I've never been to Ireland. Okay.

You got to go. Ireland. Did you touch the gift of the gab? No. You've never heard of the statue that you touch it and then you get the gift of the gab? Oh, the gifts of the gab. I think you have the gift of the gab. I think you have the gift of the gab. Really? Of course you do. Thank you. Ireland is the greatest. You will love it.

Okay, but let me ask you one thing. Okay. The food. Okay. Well, I think, you know, it's a cosmopolitan city now. And there's, and so there are great restaurants. Like what? Like what are some great restaurants in Dublin? That says really I'm put on the spot here. I don't know. You said they had good food. Yeah, there's great places.

There were some great steakhouses. I was like, okay, you don't like steakhouses. I hate steakhouses. I'll tell you, here's a band that, like, I have never stopped listening to. That's one of my favorites is a band called the Pogues. Oh, I've heard of them. Okay, so that's, so that is, that will be where I would veer toward more than anything else, really. And that's very Irish-centric music.

Were you excited to film in Dublin? Have you filmed in Dublin before? I had one time briefly, and I'd been to Ireland several times. It's one of my favorite places on that planet. I mean, a lot of people feel that. And you never touched the gift of the gab. No, I've kissed the Blarney Stone. That's the gift of the Gap.

That's the Gap. So the gift of the Gap is kissing the Blandisholm, please for me. The Blerney Stone at Blarney Castle near Cork, Ireland. Does it give you the gift of the Gap? Oh, that is the gift of the Gap? Oh, that's the gift of the Gap? I thought it was a luck thing. Yeah, so that I have.

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Okay, once is great. I'm lying. You love it. So once is terrific. I know, I've heard. And then he did a movie called Sing Street. I know, but I've heard Ones to die for. Yeah, there's just, there's something, there's something I think with John Carney's movies, all of them.

that are hopeful and the music is great and there's something so kind of joyous and celebratory that I love, I love them. And I love, they're so kind of inherently Irish, which is he Irish? He is. And I'm very, I'm very drawn to things that are Irish. And so, are you Irish? No, I would love to be. You Italian?

No. British, my parents are both from London. Oh. Yeah, and but I've spent time in Ireland and I just, it's just a magical, amazing place. And I think that there's something about the mix of kind of the music, the locations and the spirit and with which John kind of makes these films. I was so excited to work with him. And I had done, there was this script, Powerball, who's written by a guy named Peter McDonald's who's who's in the movie. He's the guy who plays Sandy, my friend.

Oh, the friend that you were very mean to? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And, um... Oh, he wrote it? He wrote it. And he's, he's a great actor and he's a... I actually had worked with him briefly in Ireland one other time.

Um, so... What was it for? There was a show called Moonboy. Okay. That the actor Chris O'Dowd created. And I did an episode of Moonboy. And that was the only other time. I'd actually ever worked in Ireland.

So does John Carney, did he write the song in the movie? Yeah, John was a musician as well. Got it. And he's, he was in a band called The Frames. Actually, and in once, Glenn Hansard is the guy. And they were friends. They were in a band together. And so John was a bassist.

And music is such a part of who he is. But he started really getting into filmmaking. And so he's somehow kind of, of straddles the line of musician and filmmaker, even though he would say, oh, he's a filmmaker, but music is so important to him. And it runs through every film that he's done. And he even directs like a musician.

It was really kind of a cool thing. You know, we would be, we'd show up at work, and there would be a three-page scene that we're supposed to do. And he'd say, no, I don't think we'd say this. Well, let's try something. And it would be some sort of impression. improvisation or some kind of new things. He'd say, let's follow this and let's go like this and let's explore that.

And it felt like being a musician in a studio. And it's like you're coming up with some cool chord progression. And he would kind of trust in that. And there was this vitality and life to the way he works that I just loved. And so I think that it was like, yeah, the appeal of working in Ireland with him. music is important to me too and it was a really challenging thing because I do stuff in that movie

that I've never really done before so like what? Just like kind of the singing and music and the guitar and all that kind of stuff it was all this I'd never really Did you have to play actual guitar? Yeah but it's not it's like that's not my to to it's not my thing really

and so it was it was kind of scary and a little nerve-wracking and exciting I was excited to kind of tackle it all. Did you take it? vocal lessons? No. You just did it. Well, thank you. I just, well, thank you. I just did it, but, you know, I would say I'm such a karaoke enthusiast that, uh, are you? That, yeah, what's your karaoke song? I do it so much. I don't have a karaoke song. Because I have a, we have it at our house. You have a karaoke machine? I have a karaoke on, we have a, I have a pub in my

house. And I always pub in my house. And it has karaoke on it so people come over and, and sing all the time. I want to come over for karaoke. All right. I'll be there. All right. Don't play with me. What do you think, Darby? Can I come over for karaoke?

Of course. You're always welcome. I want to actually come over for karaoke. Please. What do you want to say? Shallow, obviously. I mean, obviously, we're doing shallow. Obviously.

What's your karaoke? Do you like karaoke? Okay, so I try, like, I don't really do it often. Yeah. But when I do it, I feel like it's always fucking shallow. It's fun. What's the most fun you've ever had? on a job ever.

The most fun I've ever had on a job. Anchorman was really fun. I love you man was really fun. I love that movie. That was really, really fun one to do. Wet Hot American Summer was very fun because we were, it was like at a summer camp and it felt like being at summer camp. But I think a lot of the comedies are a blast.

Because I just have been able to work with some of the funniest people in the world. and it makes going to work such a joy. Did you go to, when you were at acting school, did you study comedy or was it something that just came naturally? No, I didn't. I didn't. I always loved comedy, and I loved comedians, and I used to watch SNL,

and I thought, oh, that would be so cool to be at Second City or something like that. But I actually studied theater, and I was not comedy. What was it like hosting SNL for the first time? Surreal. Mm-hmm. Yeah, really, it was, I was so excited. How old were you? I was 38, 39, yeah.

And I was where I was, it was a little weird because it was just two weeks after my dad died. Yeah. So it was like, okay, he knew. I had weird things going through my head, which is like, my dad knew I was going to host SNL. And he was very excited for me. and now it's happening, but he's not here. And so it was like kind of wrestling those thoughts

with, oh my God, I can't believe I'm hosting SNL. I've wanted to do this. My whole life, I've been a fan of this show. And so it was such a mix of so many feelings. And then on top of it all, just kind of sheer terror. Yeah.

Because in a way, it's like, oh, oh, yeah. It is live. You just fuck a back to hang. You kind of, you kind of put it aside. And it, and it happens so quickly that people say like, okay, just know that it's going to fly by. Don't forget to enjoy it. You know, I was getting kind of tips along the way. My musical guest was the first time I hosted was Beyonce.

Shut up. Yeah. And so. Who hosted Esed out with Beyonce? Yeah. Wow. Yeah. And, uh, and so that was, that was crazy.

And, and also she was in a sketch. You know, do you remember the SNL sketch? Like the famous one, she had all the single ladies that they re-ta did. So that was my first time I ever hosted was that show. Oh, wow. That's a very famous sketch. I remember watching that when I was a kid. Yeah.

So that show was the first time I ever hosted. And it was one of those kind of, oh my God. This is really, really. really happening. It was a total thrill. Do you think it helped with your grieving process at all? Is that a weird question? No, not at all. It's, I don't, yeah, I don't know if it, if it helped or heard or anything.

It was just another thing that was, you know, it's like, when you think back sometimes into the past, you think in terms of just these kind of generic, like, oh, that was a while ago, that was a while ago. Like, when I think of the very first time, I, I, hosted SNL, I think, like, that was a few weeks after my dad died. It, like, puts, it puts a weird time in history. Like, I can, I, I, I have an understanding of when that was. And so it makes me kind of recall it in a different way. And, uh, and it was, it was, it was exciting. Like, I, I was so sad, obviously. And yet, that was so, it was so much fun to do that

show so I suppose in some way yeah it helped I could not think about it for a while you can't really think about anything while you're doing it therapeutic in the sense but it it's all kind of wrapped up together for me wow

and what project were you promoting at the time role models yeah that was it who else was in that movie it was um because I saw it at the time yeah it was Sean William Scott the other guy that

And then Christopher Mintz-Ploss. This kid named Bobby J. Thompson was hilarious. Jane Lynch was in it. My friend A.D. Miles was in it. Joe La Trulio was in it. A lot of Ken Jong was in it. Yeah. I remember having to actually beg my dad to let me see that in theaters.

Oh, really? It was that. I would have to beg him to see that. It was like that and like bridesmaids and all those movies that were coming out. Yeah. At that time was a very very. big time at the box office for comedies. Yeah.

Right? Am I remembering correctly? Yeah, you're remembering it absolutely. It was. It was very exciting. Judd Apatow was behind a lot of those. Yeah. Not role models, he wasn't, but it was kind of, yeah, a lot of people

go into the movie theaters and watching comedies, and it was, these were the things to see. And to be around that and be a part of that was really cool. It was a really good age for comedy. Yeah. Was Amy Polar on SNL? when you were hosting? No, she had just left by the time I was hosting.

Do you remember who was on the cast? Yeah. Well, Kristen Wigg and Bill Hader and Will Forte, Jason Sadekis. Wow. Was that, yeah. Yeah. Wow. What a life.

You would be great at hosting SNL. It's your dream. You really think that? Are you just saying not to say that? No, of course. I know it would be true. You would, you're funny. And you would thrive in that.

I think that you step up to the moment. Tell me more. I think you, I think that you don't, I think you accept a challenge. I think that when you see an opportunity for kind of something to celebrate or go for in some way, that I think that it is inherent in probably in who you are. I'm guessing. I think that like when you did the show, did you have so much fun doing the show?

So much fun. And I would imagine like when that came about, you were nervous. Sure, but probably like, oh no, I'm doing this. This is something. This was like you were. There was no second guessing. None, right?

Yeah. Yeah. There you go. Wow. And also like that, that, you know, that, oh, here's an interesting thing. The very, when I first hosted, uh, one of the headwriters,

Simon Rich. No way! Yeah. Did you see y'all out? No, and I didn't see you do it because, and the reason why was when you were doing it, I was away the entire time working on a movie written by Nathaniel Rich, Simon's brother. And is that movie out yet? No.

Well, of course not. You filmed it in December or January, whatever. Yeah. Wow. So I was in New Orleans. Kind of kismet with us. A little bit. Okay.

to tell me what's wrongs? Yeah. Are you familiar with my stuff at all? Yeah, I am. I've watched, by the way, well, first of all, my daughter has always been like, okay, you, you,

look at this, check this, like, oh, he just did talk with Nick Jonas. I did. Yep, and so then I kind of went down the rabbit hole a little bit, and I was all excited. Also, the very first episode, with bejeweled. And I saw Bajol.

You watched the Julia Bajol episode? Yeah. And I would, but I was also like, oh my God, he's doing an entire episode on Bajouled, which is a game I have on my phone. I'm like, oh, no, it's a different Bajoled. Wait, I'm dying. Do you know how nerve? I was more nervous to film that first episode than I was for anything ever, ever.

Really? ever. I think it was the first time Nolan and I had met in person. Uh-huh. I was so anxious. I didn't know what to talk about. I kept be screaming at Julia, my best friend. Like, I was just. Just, do you remember that?

I kept making like weird Mormon jokes that we had to cut. Like I went on a whole tangent about Mormons. That I had, and we had to cut it. Louise was like, why would you say that about them? I don't know. I don't know what to say. It's really a nerve-wracking thing, you know? Once you just start talking, like what, was it something like, I know I want to

have this podcast? This was a goal or did it just like how? So I was kind of at like a crossroads. The SAC was on strike. Yeah. And I was like, I really wanted to act. There was nothing going on at the moment. And I had quit my job.

And I was like, a podcast would be fun. And it seems low pressure enough. Yeah. And my manager, Zach, was like, you shouldn't expect to see any growth until you hit the two-year mark. If you're consistent with it for two years, then you will see growth. and to my surprise, it happened far quicker than two years, and now I'm speaking to you here. Did you always want to be an actor?

I love acting. I was just in my first movie this summer with Lewis. And it premiered at South by, similar to Power Ballad. And I just find it to be the most rewarding thing. You had a great time doing it. My favorite thing is if I make a joke from riffing and then you hear like video village laugh. It's like the best feeling in the entire world.

Yeah. I like, I love hearing. It was, everything always came from like me trying to make my friends laugh. Yeah. So then if I'm like making people laugh, it's like that's the most rewarding.

So it, I'm with you. Yeah. Yeah. When you were kind of growing up, what were some of your favorite things? Did you like comedy more than other things? My favorite movie was bridesmaids.

Mm-hmm. But my favorite movie of all time is Devilware's product. I just find it to be like a Bible of how to live life. We had this conversation on the way over here, by the way. You did? What's your favorite movie of all time? My favorite movie of all time is Step Brothers. Step Brothers?

What's your favorite movie of all time? Boy, I don't know if I have a favorite movie of all time. One of them is a movie called With Nail and I. It's one of my favorite movies. Who? It's called With Nail and I. Okay. Yeah.

But there are so many movies that I. It's an impossible question. I just love bridesmaids like taught me how to be funny. And then the devil wears product. taught me to never quit my job because it was hard. Have you seen the Devil Wars Prada? Yeah. Several times.

What do you think about her leaving in Paris? Like, what's your take on that? When she tosses the phone in the fountain and it's like, luck this, and leaves. I think it's essential for the film. I know, but do you think it was a good decision? No.

You're working for Miranda Priestley at runway. Yeah, you feel like she, she needed to stick with it just a little bit more. I just think she had more in her than she thought. Like she thought she watched Miranda Priestley. Yeah. Kind of fuck over Stanley Tucci. Yeah.

And she was like, well, that could happen to me. Yeah. And it's like, well, it could. But Andy had so much potential in her that I don't think she would ever let that happen to her. But what would she be sacrificing in her personal life? Everything. But as Lady Gaga once says. your career will never wake up and tell you it doesn't love you anymore.

Mine did years ago. No, we didn't. These are the tell me what's wrongs now. I can't wait. Okay. My friend keeps trying to get me to go on a trip with her, but she just gets so drunk whenever we go out. And I know it would be just signing up to babysit.

I want to plan more trips for the summer without hurting her feelings, but I don't know how to tell her that she would be a terrible travel partner. Ooh. That's kind of a dilemma, isn't it? You have to say you're an alcoholic. She's an alcohol. She's a straight up alcoholic. I mean, if you're babysitting your friend every time you go out, yeah, that's alcoholism.

Every single time, it's like, come on. And if you're taking trips, what kind of trip are we taking? Are we taking someplace? We're going to learn like something historical. So what you'll learn now quickly is that we don't have contacts usually with any of these questions. There's no contact. So we kind of just have to like go off our gut instinct. My gut instinct is telling me you're up.

Yeah. Here's the thing, if this is bothering you so much that every time you go out, your friend is drinking and it's making it miserable that you're going to write in a question about it, then you already know your answer. You say, I can't go on a trip with you. It's going to be a nightmare. Yeah.

And then they'll say, no, I won't do that. And then what do you do that? Friendship over, huh? Life is hard. It really is. How do I deal with someone who literally is the biggest manipulator and pity party? Me.

My whole friend group goes through faces of hating her. Me. But they always fall for victim complex and go back. I am the only one who calls her out and it frustrates me so much. How do I deal with this without seeming like the confrontational one? Yeah. Oh, gosh. Life is short.

You know, it's, I think that if this is, if you really care about somebody and this is what they're doing, and you're confronting them, which he clearly is, or he clearly is, and it's just getting to be too much of a drag,

then spare yourself. And do what, though? Her whole friend group goes back to them always. and then I think, yeah, I think you just kind of like, all right, friendship maybe takes those one step back.

So maybe you need to make new friends entirely. Or just be like, all right, can you hang with this and just kind of ignore it? Don't take any of this. You can't ignore that. You can't. Well, if it's making you upset, then every time you go out, you just like, you know, you got to,

you might need to dump the whole group. That's what I'm thinking too. You think so? Just take some break, make some new friends go on a run club. You run? On a treadmill, occasionally. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, I do. I'll bike. You bike? I totally see that for you. No, you know, that was a real thing like this idea of getting real cycling. Like they're those guys that go like all through like Nyack and all that. Yeah.

I'm not that kind of cyclist. No. Oh, speaking of cyclists, do you watch true crime? Like in general? Yeah. I mean, I've seen some true crime. Do you care about true crime? Not really.

You got to watch the show on Netflix right now. Should I marry a murderer? That sounds so unappealing to me. Cyclist. Okay. Dead. That's it. That's it.

That's the teaser. It is actually crazy. Has anyone seen it? Do you want me to tell you? Yeah. She basically, like this woman is like so down bad. She's had this horrible breakup and meets this guy on Tinder. She goes, she'd be like, he's a little drinking problem.

You know, she's like, he's a little drinker. But he's like this, like, hot, like, welder. What does he do? Something with his hands. Oh, he's a farmer. And, no, he's not a farmer. Is he a farm? It's, like, on a farm.

He, like, does handiwork. So it's, like, hot to her. Okay. He proposes to her, right? Proposes. Yeah, he prop-like, after a few weeks or months, whatever. I forget. And then he proposed to her, and then he drives, that's not funny, it's horrible, and he goes, he's like, keep your phone in the car, I have to tell you something.

She goes, okay. And he goes, one time I was really, I drunk drove home, and I drove over the cyclist, and we buried him. And she was like, what? And then so they go home, and she's like, and then they fall. He falls asleep, so she's Googling. The cyclist has been missing for years, years. So she's like, oh, my God, what do I do? What do you think she does?

She continues with the relationship. She's like, well, he's supposed to come for Thanksgiving dinner. What am I supposed to do? And she, like, does she bring him to Thanksgiving dinner? It's crazy. You should watch it. It's crazy. And it gets crazier from there.

She stays with the guy. And it's like, oh, my God. And everyone's watching. It's probably like, oh, my God, fucking turn him in. But she was like, I told, the funniest part of it is she's like, I told my my parents about him, so what am I going to do? And it's like, what? You told your parents about him, so you have to bring him for Christmas dinner, even

though he's a murderer. And the best part is, the best part is, I was always wondering, you know how in a true crime shows they show like found footage? And it's always like, ah, uh, and it's like the girl, the VHS cam. It's now, like, videos of them with, like, the doggie Snapchat filter? Do you notice that? So it's like, like, it feels like kind of the new generation of true crime. Do you know what I mean?

Like all her videos are with a filter. All her Snapchat videos with him, they all have a filter on them. It's the weirdest thing. That's so crazy. Like, it's, you don't care. No, I do. I do. I can't.

Like, I'm following this. This is interesting. And I do want to know how that plays out. Me too, but I'm in the middle of casino, as you know. Yeah. And I have to finish that. Yeah. Well, that's going to take a while.

Three hours. You know, though. I don't. You got to. to sit down just go, all right, I'm going to do it in one fell swoop. It's not a huge commitment. I knew you were going to say one fell swoop. You did.

You did. I was like, he's about to say one fell swoop. It's like, you know, that was never even a consideration back in mind. When you would, you'd watch a movie. It's like, oh, yeah, no, you, because you actually had to go to the movies to see it. It was like, all right, I'm going to watch it, and then it's done, and it's great. Or even if you're watching it on HBO or something, it's like, oh, it's like, oh, great but now it's like we stop and you do it in segments and it's we've lost something have you ever

walked out of a movie yeah have you yeah no do you like scary movies i love scary movies what's your favorite scary movie my favorite scary movie the one i've been the most scared at was the conjuring too okay just because there's a scene a good jump scare isn't a jump scare where there's like a lead-up to it a good jump scare happens out of literally nowhere and there's an insane jump scare in The Conjuring, too. But I would say my favorite scary movie of all time. What's yours? I do really like The Shining.

Yeah. That is good. Not one of your favorites, I think. It's good. Right. I didn't frighten me. Yeah. Well, I like, I mean, like jump scares.

I'm kind of like, meh. Oh, the ring. I love the ring. Yeah. Well, yeah. And they, the ring goo, the, original? Yeah, the original.

I've heard it's terrible. Oh, man. That was, that movie's really scary. There's another movie called Audition. That was really terrifying. I love the Purge movies. I've seen every single one. I just saw Hocum.

Me too. Oh, you did. It's amazing. I thought it was very scary. Yeah. You want to know what my favorite TV show, scary TV show of all time is? What? The Haunting of Hillhouse.

I've never seen it. Oh, my fuck. It is unbelievable. Really? The director, Mike, do you know who Mike Flanagan is? No. He does the haunting of Hill House,

the Hunting of Black Man, or Midnight Mass, which is also amazing. But the haunting of Hill House, it was, I was very scared. I was very scared, but it was very moving.

Do you listen to Gregory Allen in his glove? Oh, yeah, not a lot. I know who he is, but yeah. They have a great needle drop with him in the final episode that ties it up.

It's just the best show. It is one of the first show. It is one of the best shows I've ever seen in my life. Okay. You have to watch it if you're down. Yeah, I am. I'm like, I'm not a huge scary. It's very scary.

It's like very scary. But yeah. I was, there was a movie when I was a kid that scared me so much. I'd say like the Shining's scariest movie that I've ever seen. The scariest movie that I've never seen was a movie called magic. And when I was a kid, I went to a movie.

and they were showing previews, and they showed a preview of this movie Magic with Anthony Hopkins, and he's a ventriloquist, and he has this dummy. And there was something about the puppet that was so scary looking to me that I freaked out. I couldn't watch it.

And then like that, like going home that night, I remember as I had to sleep in my parents' room, I was like, really... How old were you? I was like, 30? I was probably, like, like eight or nine or something like nine maybe um and and uh and then one time like a week later I was up in my parents room I was watching TV they were downstairs and the commercial

for it came on and I freaked out and I ran downstairs I'm like I saw it I saw it and and my dad said all right we'll go turn the TV off I'm like I can't go up there I couldn't go up there and he's like god damn it and he said he had to get, I go turn the TV off. And it started an evening of complete meltdown. Because I had a lot of fears when I was young. Really? Yeah.

What else were you scared of? I was like, I think the capped it off, though. And then I, like, I think after that, my mom took me to go talk to a therapist. Oh, you have great parents. Yeah. But, no, I was scared of like, there was a moment in time when I was, I think about five, I needed everything taken out of my room. because I was just scared of stuff in the dark

and I was scared of things on the wall. No. Okay. Sorry. Just wondering. No, no. I think I just, yeah, I think I had some, I think I was fearful as a kid. Yeah.

I also had many fears. Really? I've realized now I have health fears. Like my high blood pressure today, I'm like going to be, you, do you understand? When you, if you ever take a look, do you have Instagram? No. Okay. If you ever just like look at my Instagram.

Instagram later, I'm going to post about my high blood pressure. And it is going to be my bit for the entire week that I have high blood pressure. And my dad is going to call me freaking the fuck out that I have high blood pressure. And it is going to ruin my week. Did you have like a physical? I had an IV. I got an IV. Okay.

Have you ever gone in a high, like someone's come to you and giving you an IV? Yeah, like a like a B12 or something like a vitamin. Yeah. Yeah. And I've never, every time great blood pressure, great blood pressure. Great blubhersher, great blubb, great blubb. Hi. It was high.

Well, this might have been a fluky thing. But I haven't drank in a week. It doesn't make sense. Did you try and do it again? You've only done it once, three times. And all three times they said it's high. It was yellow. As if I had a fever.

I was like, what the fuck is going on? But three times in the same day? Yeah, I just, I just literally right before you got here. Oh, okay. I don't think you should worry about this. I think you should get, and you get to test it again in it. I'm, color me worried. You're hypocondriical.

Yes. Extraordinarily so. Always? Yeah, but it's weird because the other day, I saw something leaking out of a plane as I was about to get on it. And I was like, fuck it. Like, one time I was on a plane and they couldn't get it working. And by the third time they go, there we go. And then they took off.

And at that rate, I'm just like, well, if, you know, Take me. That is so healthy. I know, but then it's like high blood pressure will send me into psychosis. Okay. As fans of the show, is this a good episode? Yeah. Oh, period.

She said yes so fast. Is it? Because she said yes so fast. Honestly, it's my, because I do worry, like, I'm like, oh, God, am I just putting everybody to sleep here? No. How could you ever? You're Paul Rudd. I don't think, I don't think.

I don't think that I'm that engaging in these settings. That is not true. You don't think so? Self-esteem? Not really, but I don't think that I'm, I offer too much. That is not true. You're America's treasure. You are.

Say you are, Jake. No, you know, many would disagree with that. Okay. Help. I ended up the salutation of my, what the fuck is a salutation? It's the, it's, oh, it's right below, right, right, below. Valedictorian.

So it's like the penultimate valedictorian. Yes. You're so smart. You're so smart. I love penultimate episodes. Those are always better than the season finale. Admit. They are.

They are always better. They really setting it up. The Game of Thrones penultimate episodes, best of the game. You didn't watch Game of Thrones. No, I didn't. Yeah. Help. I ended up the salutatorian of my class and now I have to give a graduation speech.

I have no idea what to write about. I don't care about any of these people. and have the worst stage write, please give me ideas. So I've actually never heard of a salutatorian giving a graduation speech. Yeah. Usually it's the valedictorian. And, but I would say, I love speech writing.

So if you want to follow up, I will help you write your speech. I love writing speeches. It's my favorite thing to do. When I was in high school, my mom had a printout of my speech next to her computer, and she would reference it every time she needed to write something like a speech. That's nice. Did you take speech classes in school? Just one.

And I was just a natural. I was really good at it. It was one of the things I was just like really good at. Yeah. I love giving speeches. I could say, do you like giving toasts? Yes. Oh my God, in college, I would literally get up and do a toast every five seconds during the pregame.

They would get more emotional the drunker and drunker and drunker and drunker and drunker I got. Are you a toaster? Yeah. Yeah. I like like at a somebody's birthday or a wedding or something. Okay, pretend it's my birthday. Okay. Just.

Oh my God, it's my birthday. And Paul wants to make a toast. speech, everyone. There are, there, I'd like to, uh, make a toast to the man of the hour. Jake. Jake occupies a very amazing space, which is he entertains us all. He is so funny, but there's a kindness to Jake. There's an underlying, um, we are simultaneously entertained by him.

we laugh at him, but we are... Laugh out of him? No, we are a part of Jake's journey. Jake is inclusive. Jake brings us along. There's not many people that can do that, that can carve out such a specific role with such a unique and hilarious

and opinionated voice. And so I would say all of us, let us raise our glasses to toast our friend, we are continually honored to be a part of your journey and thank you for bringing us along. I think every one of us is so elated to be here tonight to celebrate you.

I've also, I gotta leave by 10. Cheers. Oh, thank you guys. Thank you so much for coming. Thank you. Oh, my God. Okay, now back. Everyone, please drink.

Please eat. Have the best night. Like, I hate Jose. seriously. That was amazing. That wasn't amazing. I thought that was amazing. I felt it.

You know what it is? Here's the thing with a toast. And this is the same thing that the penultimate valedictoria needs to know. You need to come. It's like, all right, enough that there's going to be some self-deprecation, some laughs.

You can go a little far in one direction, but you always bring it back to something heartfelt. And always. And always. And it's nice if you can kind of start off and be a little, abstract and funny or whatever and then bring it back around to like some really some genuine sincerity and then on the way out if you can get one more little kind of treacle cutter little joke in there to enhance the sincerity and not undermine it then it's a winner well i think you just won

i'm going to be thinking of a toast the entire ride home and think i should have done this i should Really? I thought that was just very beautiful. Well, mostly because it was about me, but I really did think it was beautiful. So you, when you were growing up, your birthdays and your birthday parties were never, you never overlapped Halloween in your birthday. No. Never had a Justin Bieber themed birthday party when I was like 10.

Uh-huh. And then I always had my birthday party at ramen restaurants. I'm actually now thinking about it twice now. Maybe three times I had it at two different. ramen restaurants. Random. Which ones? Zudo in Tribeca and Wagamama and Chelsea.

Great. Great. You like ramen? I do. I love Wagamama. Yeah. Wagamama's the shit. Do you eat it when you film in London ever?

Yeah. Yeah. It's the shit. Chicken Katsu curry, fire. Yeah. I don't eat that actually very often. The chicken Katsu curry, but I just know that's what I'm like. I just get the chicken ramen.

Yeah, the spicy, the chili ramen. Oh, that's pretty good. The chili ramen's what I go for. Yeah. Well, Paul, what did we learn today? I learned like some good shows on Netflix that I need to watch about murderers.

You have to watch The Haunting of Hill House. Yeah. And you have, but right now, just for the zeitguised of it all, should I marry a murderer? You have to. This is a thing a lot of people are watching right now. It's a big deal.

It's number one on Netflix. Oh, really? And it's been number one for like more than two days. So that's when you know, like, people are like, and like continuing. Because sometimes there will be a show and it'll be like number one and then it'll fall off.

I think that, what I like about love on the spectrum is it's so opposite all of that it's just sweet sweet yeah yeah people really ride for that show I just think that the the it's everything is so bleak I just try and and find laughs and happiness in every single way I just want that and you bring that to so many people well thank you it's true no no no some I'm mad at taking compliments. Well, clearly, I guess I... I love taking compliments.

I'm the biggest. I always... I say I always have a rot out. I'm always fishing. Yeah? Yeah. I look so fat today, Louise. No, you look...

My face is so saggy today. What are you talking about? It's... You look fantastic. Thank you. See? I'm always fishing. And I always catch a fish.

Well, Paul. Well, Jake. Thank you for coming on therapist. Thank you so much. Did you have fun? I did. Would you do it again? Yeah, of course.

Really? Are you asking if I'm going to double dip like Glenn Powell? Yes. I'm asking if you're going to double dip like Glenn Powell. Sure. Okay, but the next time we do this, because there will be a next time. Okay.

In your pub. Okay. Wow. You want to, we're going to go there. That's going to happen? Yeah. All right. I don't make plans lightly.

Sometimes I do. Sometimes I don't. This isn't a light plan. All right. All right, Paul, do you want to give a little bye pussies? Bye, pussies. Bye, pussies.