Therapuss with Jake Shane - Session 124: Niall Horan

Episode Date: June 4, 2026

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We're at lunch today. I see her. She goes, hi, I gave you a lighter at the box. Hello. Yeah. Hi. That's Kismet. That's Kismet.

We were meant to be. I didn't make it out Saturday night. I will say we were drinking mango margaritas at 7.30. Like, that is recipe to be so fucked up. The second I had my first sip of my mango margarita, I knew that I was going to be disgusting. I said, I have to go home. I have to go home. I have to go home.

And I went home. I took myself home. Everyone was screaming. But then I kept calling him being like, hi, are you coming back to the box? He fell asleep. And then we go to the box. I woke up at 4 a.m. and they all came over. We are literally leaving the lights turn on.

It's 4.30. Jake facetimes us and we all went to his permit. Mm-hmm. Anywho puts these. Jake's going out. Jake's going away. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh, my God. Uh-huh. Clear your throat for that.

Big announcement. I am going to Monaco for the Grand Prix this Wednesday. I am so excited. And want to know what he's not doing, bringing me. And I'm the biggest F1 fan ever, have been for three years. I do not have plus one. It is me, Stas. Alex and Stella.

That's my dream. Yeah, it's gonna be really fun. You guys are gonna have so much fun. Landonaurus, that's who I like. I know, I know. All right, pussies. Give it up for Nile Horan! Hi, Pussies, welcome back to therapists.

Tonight we have on Nile Horan. Hello. Hi. How's it going? I like this. We were kind of kicking it back there for a minute before. Oh, it's funny. Talking about a lot.

You are hilarious. Oh, my God. I get nervous for these things. Do you really? Yeah, because I'm like, all right, but he's really funny, so I have to try and like step up the game here, but. You think I'm money?

Yeah, hilarious. Really? I even like, no, he was laughing, you guys. He was laughing, pretty hard. Like, I kept, I was like, and that one hit too. And I kept it in.

And I was like, oh, all right. You must get that a lot. Yeah. Well, no, actually, people say the opposite. Really? Some people do, yeah. Why are it so mean-spirited? Oh, you know what?

Why? You know, I am one of those people, though, that This is not, because right, I'm not saying I'm doing this to you, but I am one of those people that will, like, if someone says something and it might not hit to the room, I'll just laugh to make them feel better. I didn't do that to you. Uh-huh.

A caveat. You swear? I swear. On what? My granny. Wow. Is she alive? Yes.

Okay. This is going well. Okay. Okay. So. I love your setup. You like, yeah, yeah, it's great, right? I've seen it obviously on camera on YouTube and stuff, so, but...

Oh, yes, but we're on Netflix now. I actually was scrolling through Netflix last night, and it's... No! I've seen you come up and you're... Swear! What are you're watching? You were looking all studly in your photo, you know? Yeah, it was my hands are...

Yeah, it was the whole thing. What were you looking for on Netflix? What are you watching right now? What was it trying to watch? I don't know, we were looking for... We didn't know where Wuthering Heights was. Is it out yet on streamers? I was trying to...

find it. I haven't seen it yet. No, my my girlfriend's what, went to see it last week, and she said it was the best and everyone's, it's like a 50-50 divided, divisive movie. Oh, is that true? Because all the people are saying that it's nothing like the books. What's the book about? There was a book.

Of Wuthering Heights. Who wrote it? I have no idea. Why, you're asking the wrong guy? Wrong time? Who? Not even sure. You know what? And it doesn't really matter. No, it kind of doesn't. I'm okay. But that's what I was looking for. I was looking to find that, and I ended up falling asleep five minutes into it, so I didn't even see the film. So that was a waste of... Do you watch a lot of movies?

Not a big movie person, actually. TV guy? More of a, like a true crime documentary, kind of basically that's it. I don't know what that says about me, but yeah, I do love a true crime doc. What's your favorite true crime doc? The jinx.

I knew you're going to say that. Did you watch it in real time? Yeah. Me too. Yeah, and it was a killer because, well, there we go. But a, yeah, watching that in real time waiting for the next episode was... Well, there's no better true crime

documentary then the jinks. I've never seen a better one. Well, I just, I can't believe how lucky they got. As documentary makers go, you go, you set out to make a documentary and then it turns into a completely different thing. Well, he admitted to the murder. It was absolutely nuts. Did you guys watch the Jinks?

No, and I've got to watch it. Well, he admits to the murder at the end of it. Well, why did you just tell me that? That's a thing. That's it. Yeah. And it was a big, very, it was very big drama the next week because, do you remember, like, they were like, did they keep this from the FBI?

It was very big drama. Very big. Was the, was the, the drama onto the documentary makers? Yeah, they were like, how did you guys,

like is this legal that you guys kept this from the authorities in order to create good television? Right, okay. Well, I appreciated the good television. Yeah,

man, it was good though. The whole Beverly Drive thing when he was writing and he got the spelling wrong. Do you remember that? Mm-mm. Or he wrote like Beverly Drive but didn't put in,

or added an E or something like that? Oh, you're like, you're in, That was amazing. It's the best true Drew Cramm documentary ever. Did you watch Manosphere with Louis Thoreau? Crazy.

Crazy. I couldn't get five minutes into it because I was high. I said, I can't believe. I was watching five minutes and I said, I can't do this. It's just not my journey right now. But to be fair, I've been right in the thick of all the promotional stuff at the moment, so I haven't seen much. How's that going?

It's good. Yeah, it's like when you turn off the engines after the end of a tour, it takes a while to start the engine back up a bit. Because, like, he spent a year in the studio. So I finished a tour in 24. And then end of 24. And then went into the studio, like, start of last year. And he just, studio's easy.

It's just like, you know, writing a few songs, going in, doing a bit of recording. And then when you, you know, when you hand the album over, it's, the engines get started. And it's, like, promotional back to back to back. And then, you know that it's inevitably going for a tour. So it's just trying to get, get, you know, your brain switched on again. Are you tired? A little bit.

That's okay. Do I look tired? No, no, I just feel the way you're describing it. Like, I would crash out. Yeah, no, you're well, you're Netflix now, so. Yeah. You're going to be promoting. I hope so.

Well, this is your promotion, I guess. You know, I saw you perform Heaven for the first time ever at the Capitol showcase. No way. Yes, I was there. A little acoustic thing. Yes. How funny. I know.

I said, oh. That is crazy. Yes. When was that? That was like three or three years. Wow. Oh, my God. So you like to golf, no?

I do like the golf, yeah. Like, what's your favorite part about golfing? I like the challenge. I like the peace. What's the challenge? The challenge is just trying to get good at it. And the great thing about golf is you never actually get good at it. Except Tiger Woods.

Yeah, well, there's a few of them that are pretty good. But, like, for the most part, I think like 60 million people in the world or something play golf. and I'd say like 1% of them are actually good. So the rest of us just end up suffering. But it's like you hit one bad shot. You say I'm never playing again. The next shot you hit is the best shot ever. What makes a good shot?

I don't know. The quality of the strike when the club hits the ball, the flight path where it lands obviously because it needs to get closer to the hole. And yeah, the good shots make you like, All right, I want to play more. And how long have you been doing this for? I've been doing it for too fucking long.

I've been playing since I was like seven or eight. What? Yeah. I did not know golf was a thing in Ireland. It's one of the homes of golf. Yeah. Well. No, it's like Ireland and the game was originated in Scotland.

Obviously Ireland's very close. And we have amazing golf courses and people from all over the world travel to play golf in Ireland. And Scotland and Ireland are like sisters. we would be we're not that far apart but we would say that we were the kinds of people were very similar got it like the Scottish and the Irish are very

very similar do you miss Ireland yeah yeah I like I feel like the you know when you're a kid and you're like I can't wait to get out of here yeah like I'm for the bigger world and then the older you get you're like actually no I'm I just want to go home right so I try and get home

like maybe three or four times a year, but I just, with the way it work is, I just need to be... That's a lot. Yeah, I suppose it is, but not for, it's only ever for a couple of days here and there.

I need to be, like, I need to be in L.A. a lot. I need to be in New York a lot. I'd need to be in London. So, and I've lived in London for 16 years or something. Have you spent any time in London? I love London.

Yeah. I think it's great. I have never spent, like, a quality amount of time there, though. You'd love it. If you like, you're from New York. York. And do you like, do you still like, when you go to New York, are you still like, this is, I miss this place or?

It depends how I feel. I think I have a mood disorder. So it really depends how I feel. Like when I'm in New York, I miss L.A. When I'm in L.A., I miss New York. Right now I miss London. Right. Because I was just back from New York, so I don't miss New York.

Okay. But I don't want to be in L.A. So right now I miss. I'm always unhappy. Really? Yeah. I'm always unhappy. You like to complain?

Do I like to complain? Do you like to complain? That's how this started. Do I like to play? Yeah. What do you, Matt? Well, I kind of like, I'm more of a complainer to try and be funny. Like, there's a comedian in the UK called Carol Pilkington, and his whole bit is just that he just has this deadpan, moaning face and like just complains about absolutely everything, but probably means none of it.

At the end of the day, I sit down, I smoke a joint, and I'm like, oh, God, it wasn't that serious. Like it really wasn't that serious. I think what it is is I'm bored. Really? I'm very bored. Why are you bored? You've got the biggest fucking podcast of the planet. Niall, shut up.

You know, one of my biggest temper tantrums when I was a child ever, ever, was when I was trying to get tickets to a One Direction concert. And I was on Ticketmaster. And they sold out. And so that was the day I discovered what StubHub was. Right. Oh, right, okay. Where tickets are 10x, the price. And I'm...

Oh, what did you do? My mom was like, it's okay, Jake. We can get them on Stubhub. And I said, no, but the tickets I want, you won't get for me now because they're so expensive. And I, not that I wasn't allowed to see one direction. Ever.

But now you're here. No, I've never, never, never. Where were you trying to go at MetLife or something? It was the tour you guys did after your first album. All right. So the amphitheater thing. And you guys performed at my friends Bat Mitzvah. What?

Yeah. Where? London. I know the one because I think we only ever performed at one. That is the most random thing of all time. Yeah. Did you guys have fun? Yeah.

I'd never been at a Bat Mitzvah, funnily enough. No, she said, she's like, we got so lucky. We got him right before. Yeah. Literally. As we came off the show, we did like a run of club shows and like one bat mitzvah. Do you relate to K-pop groups? do I relate to them?

Like when you see like how K-pop groups are formulated are you like, OMG, like I feel that. Like that's what we went through on. I don't know. Well,

none of our bit was like super choreographed or anything like that. So they're very different. Each generation seems like it's got like boy bands, but they're all kind of different to each other. Like we didn't wear all white outfits

and do routines and things like say N-Sink or Backstreet date or whatever. Right. We just kind of walked around. Yeah. It worked. It worked. We walked around that stage.

And the K-pop thing is kind of, I guess, more structured. Very structured. But, like, they look like athletes. They are. Like, when you watch BTS dance, you're like, what? Can't take your eyes off of them. You're like, honestly, I have no idea how to do anything you're doing, but it's kind of crazy what you're doing. It's, like, it's pretty intense, but it's amazing.

So you like documentaries? Love them. I'm watching coffee. I'm watching the cat's eye documentary right now. I haven't seen it. It's very interesting. It's very interesting. Why?

What's going on? Like, it's a really insane boot camp that they went through. Sorry, is this product placement or can I drink this? No, drink it. You know who drinks that. Who? Do you remember the guy who did, are you like online? Oh, there was this guy that.

did the most insane morning routine. And he went like super viral and he had like 10 Saratoga waters a day. And like his, his, no, but it was like 402. Like, do you, do you know, do you know? Ashton Hall, yeah. Ashton Hall. I need to have, look. He would like dip his face in the Saratoga water.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He would pour the Saratoga water and, and that's how I know what Saratoga is, but it's worked. It's great. Is that your favorite water? No, I just seen it there and I was, I actually thought it would have been product place with it. As part of the Netflix day. But I'll tell you what is product placement.

Actually, is this poppy? Is this product placement? Poppy? What's poppy? What? Please don't, don't shame me. But you're lying, though. I live under a rock.

I'm not going to like. But you've, they're just acquired by Pepsi for $2 billion. Wow, I love Poppy. I love Poppy so much. I'm just saying, like, you've never had a Poppy ever in your life. Never, never, never, never. No, you're going to let me have one or?

Oh, okay. You like Shirley Temple? Wait. Oh my God. I've never met someone that's never had a poppy before. Really? Ever. Okay, so.

I definitely live under the raw. Let's bring out the flavors. Bring out the flavors. Bring them out. Oh my God, I'm so excited for you. I'm going to have a Super Bowl commercial. I did?

Did you? For Poppy. No, you did not. Yes, I did. Next year, me and you. Yeah. Don't play with me. I'm serious.

I'll pitch it tomorrow. I imagine I've never even tasted this and I've already given myself a Super Bowl commercial. Okay, so, okay. Give me, give me, give me, give me. Okay, so I have a Shirley right here. Why is it? Like a fruity, sparkly water.

It's a better for you soda. This is the launch of the new product. Is that the Christmas version? This is the Christmas version. It's called Cranberry Fizz. Right. I can try that. This is Shirley Temple.

Shirley Temple. And this is strawberry lemon. Can I try to cranberry Fizz, please? Yeah. Okay, thanks. Poppy, you're having a great time now. It's pretty amazing. They sell this only during Christmas.

Imagine if they sold it year round with like... They can't because it's so popular. It's a better for you, soft drink. You like it? She's got prebiotics. Oh yeah. I forgot to tell you if I liked it or not. Let me check again.

You can be honest. I actually do. Yeah, it's amazing, right? We've got Saratoga and Poppy well covered now. I can't believe I just took your Poppy Virginity. I'm really shocked. I really never met somebody that hasn't tried one before. I swear I've never even heard of it.

So you don't leave the house much? No, not really. No, no. Has it made it over to the UK? Yeah. That's even more embarrassing. is global. All right.

We're global. We're going global, baby. I love the, well, okay, do you know what I love about the UK? What, that store, Marks and Spencer's.

Yes. Yeah. We were only talking about this yesterday. What's your favorite thing to get from there, food-wise? They do like a cheese, like a piece of cheese,

long kind of rectangular piece of cheese wrapped in, like, Serano ham or something like that. And they also do these like chri- again,

chorizo wrapped in cheese. He's wrapped in chorizo as well. That's like right up her alley. Oh, yeah? They do like... She loves like meat sticks. We call it like picky bits.

Mm-hmm. So if you're going into like into the store and there's like a... Picky bits? Yeah, picky bits. Just like, I'm not having a full meal here. I'm just trying to get a few picky bits. So a snack. We call them picky bits.

Oh, I've never heard that. Is that like an Irish thing? No, I feel like it's just like, I don't, I actually don't even know what it is. Maybe I just made it up. Okay. Yeah. So it's snacks. Yeah.

It's a picky bet. I would think snack is like sweet or like chips or something like that. When I think snacks, I think something like that. In America, it's a completely different thing. Right. Where I'm thinking savory, like cheese wrapped in ham. What's your favorite Irish food? Favorite Irish food?

I don't really know what they're known for. Yeah, either do I. I know. My whole upbringing was like meat and potatoes. It was very like, very like, we do a stew. I love stew. Good Irish stew, like a piece of beef or lamb. Like beef stroganoff?

Not really. More like gravy-esque. Like gumbo? Not like gumbo. I suppose the Irish version of gumbo. Gumbo is not great. Nile. There's quite a few things in this country.

I can't rip my head around. You don't like gumbo? No. You know one time I had gumbo four times in 24 hours. Really? Where were you? No laugh. We hi.

I, nope. No. No, I was in, how sad is that? I wasn't even smoking at the time. And I had it for breakfast. I had it for lunch. I had it for dinner. And I had it three times in one day.

And then the next morning, I was like, well, I can't leave without having it one more time. And I had it again. It's my favorite food in the entire world. Really? Yes. What do you not like about gumbo? What does it consist of again? It's like thick.

It's like a chowder, no? Yeah. And like there's sausage. I don't really fuck with it when there's like crawfish or shrimp. I like just like sausage and chicken. And over. were a bed of Jasmine rice. You can have it with rice.

Oh, maybe I'm thinking of the wrong thing. What are you thinking of? I don't know what the fuck I'm thinking of. I thought it was in the chowder world. Like it, is it not like a, like a, it is it? It is the creamier chowder. Clam chowder? New England, is it?

Yeah, New England, yeah. I thought it was more of a New England chowdery type thing that had some other weird stuff in it. That is what it is. Oh, right. Maybe I do like it. But it's like red. Maybe I love it.

No, it doesn't say it. You're back pedaling. You're backpedaling. I've done well. on this so far. Wait, I'm having drunk at all those.

Any endorsement coming to my way now I'm gonna have a Yeah, well we're doing a Super Bowl commercial for Poppy together. Yeah, here we go. What are you

therapist about today? Therapist about today. Yeah, it doesn't seem like much. You seem pretty jolly. No, I'm pretty chill to be honest with you. What pisses me off today? That's the LA traffic

is a fucking disaster. What'd you listen to on the way over here? I don't know, what's I listened to? We actually went in silence for once. Really?

We usually listen to music all the time. But you know when you're in the car so much and you're just like, all right, I could do it with a half an hour, but it just quiet. I know that's not a great answer, but that's the truth. We actually just sat there and...

You were angry about your journey to come see me today. Yeah. Yeah. Are you... I take it all back. I'm having a great time. I'm having a great time too. Yeah, absolutely.

We just covered the whole world. We really did. We've covered everything. We haven't even started. Is Ed Shearing-on-Castlaw on a hill about Ireland? No. I love

how you pivot from question it's cracking me up. No, it's not. It's about a castle in his village. I will tell you this, we went to his wedding. He got married near the village where he's from, brought up

and then lives in now. And Sam Smith and I drove down and we stayed in like a hotel above a pub in the middle of this village. Very cute, quintessentially English village. And the two of us were getting into the car.

And we looked up and there was this big castle on the hill and we had a whole revelation that that's the fucking castle on the hill. Oh, it's real. Oh, it's real. When I was six years old, I broke my leg. Yeah, you know, I'm going to the castle on the hill. And we were like, fuck, that's the castle. Is there a place to roll down the hill?

I think so. Yeah, where he broke his leg. He broke his leg when he was six years old. It really is a song for the ages. Yeah, yeah. Is that your favorite Ed Shearhan song? Yeah, I do love it, yeah. I love that one too.

I think that's my favorite. What other songs do you like about Chirons? Tenor Life C. Love Tenor Eve C. We have the same taste in Ed Shearan. Yeah, I think I said it wrong, though. What did you say? Tenor Life.

Tenor Life. Tenor Reef. Supermarket Flowers always hits. Yeah. So you like, you like the earlier Ed Shear and stuff. I love, you know what? I actually really like eyes closed. Good tune.

Really good one. And I really like what old phone. Have you heard old phone? Great. I'm pretty sure you were in some of the promo for that. He was yet. Yeah. Oh my God.

When he pulled that photo out, I was like, Jesus, because that was probably the last period where he had his phone. And we were in Vegas. That was him. When I think about that night,

it was the most rant. I think I was there for like my, it was either, because I went like three years in a row. I went for my 21st, my 22nd, for some weird reason. And then we went back.

Maybe it was around one of the, Billboard Awards or something like that. And we're in a nightclub. And I think, I don't know who's DJ, maybe it was like diplo or chain smokers or something like that. But I was up on, all of a sudden got so drunk that I was up on the DJ. But this is the least me thing of all the time. Up on a DJ boot with like expensive bottles of champagne with Ed Shearer

and Ed's got like a cigarette hanging out of his mouth. And we're spraying the crowd with champagne. and Lil John is just on the microphone going like making Lil John type noises. Right. And I was just like, it was the most sobering thing. I was drunk and then all of a sudden I was like, what the fuck is going on?

Right. Got the chain smokers DJ in here playing EDM bangers. You got Ed Sheeran, Lil John and me up on the fucking DJ booth, spraying people with champagne. It sounds like the start of a joke. But was it like the... Ed Shearing.

Nile Horn and Liljohn walk into a bar. What happens? What happens? Apparently that. Did you, was it sobering in the sense that you were like, oh, I don't, I'm having anxiety? Or was it sobering in the sense of like, well, my life is so fun and cool? Fun and cool. I'm like, why am I here?

Like, what? Like, this is nuts. And I've obviously, I'd known Ed for a long time, but the whole fact that we were up there with Liljohn. And just like a nightclub in Vegas just feels so far removed from my upbringing and the way I generally live my life. Right. I was just up there going, this is fucking crazy. But yeah, I don't know if it's, that's not the first chapter of my book, by the way.

I can tell better stories than that. But it is pretty nuts. Do you remember, like, feeling that way when you were doing X Factor? Or were you so in it that after is when it all hit? Yeah, I think, like, I've just been, I'm one of those people that I'm just happy to be there. Yeah. Like, I was just the whole time, I never really, like, took it serious. but I wasn't

trying to be super serious I was trying to enjoy I've always tried to enjoy like every single thing that I do and just kind of take things with a pinch of salt and let it all kind of just go on by yeah we I think my whole career

I've just been walking around just going this is wild and how the hell did I ever get to this point which makes it more fun and interesting I suppose instead of just been walking around going yeah I'm meant to be here and um I also think like there is a part to play with the Irish upbringing of like I'm sure yours is kind of similar in New York.

We're kind of, we're a bit hardier and you're not allowed to kind of get above your station. What do you mean by that? Like if you get any way ahead of yourself, there's always something. You get humbled. Yeah, you get humbled. You don't get too, you don't get along to act like a dickhead. People will get you put you back in your place. Do you remember a time that that happened to you?

Not necessarily because I think it's just in my in my bones to not You humble yourself Kind of yeah I'm sure there are like day to day things like we were talking about Where you complain about the most minimal stuff and then go You look at yourself and you go what the fuck was I doing? Yeah So by the way wow

Right Because I'm not like a I'm not like a soft drink person Right I drink like four or five liters of water a day Do you really? Yeah Oh I need to get on that that four or five liters. Are you okay?

That's where I got the bags under my eyes from drinking four layers of water. You actually don't have bags under your eyes. I've got these like, you know the crow's feet. What's it? You know these things. Do you get Botox ever? No, never. Never.

I don't think it will either. I got Botox the other day. Did you go like this? No, it's not. It's in my neck. So I can't. Like, I can't. That's the farthest I can do it.

Why did you get in your neck? Because Louise brought me to get an aqua gold facial. Right. And so I was like, what is this? And they were like, we're injecting boats. Botox into your face for clear skin, so it's not like filler. I was like, oh, you know, I've really been interested in Masseter of Botox. Master of Botox is the one in your jaw.

Right. And they were like, oh yeah. We have that. And I was like, really? And they were like, yeah, do you want it? And I was like, yeah, I guess. It was Louisa's friend from college did the injecting. And was that your first time?

You haven't both? Oh, yeah. It's like getting a spray tan. You ever got a spray tan? Years ago, did it for the X Factor one time, actually, funnily enough. We got like the whole holes down.

Oh my God. You guys got spray tan? Yeah. You don't see the color of us? No, I did. On the TV. I did. I did.

You're like your shirt. I know. What episode was it for? I think at the very start, maybe. And then we just kept getting topped up. So it got more tanned every week. Do you have a favorite one direction song? Do I have a favorite one direction song?

I have loads of favorite one direction songs. Um, I love fireproof. Great one. So you're a big 1D fan. Yes. Yes, I was trying to make it my first concert and my mom and I got into a really big fight and I couldn't go. I was really upset. How old are you?

Yes. 26. Yes. Did I get that right? Yes, you did. Fuck off. Swear. Oh, nailed it.

So you were, so you know, if I'm sorry name in deep cuts, are you going to know? Yeah. Yes, Diana. Right. All right. You know. No, I know. Because that's deep.

Yeah, I was on Limewire. Are you? Yes. In the computer lab at school. I was really topped in. I was really, really, really, really topped in.

So when you were meant to be doing work in the computer lab? I mean, I was like in sixth grade. So like, what work could I have been doing? That's true. I was very topped in. It was right when everything took off.

Obviously Night Changes is my favorite one. Yeah, night changes is probably the best song, song. If you were to like break down how to write the, you know, you wrote that, no? You guys all partook in writing that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

What do you find most different about writing for a group versus writing for yourself? Well, you've got complete lyrical say what you want. Same with the music side of things. Because when you've got like four or five, you know, you've got five different personalities trying to like pitch in with their, you know, their music taste, they're what you want to say and what you don't want to say. The sound of the record, you know, that's what was so. good that we actually were able to combine in that way.

I just, I like doing the, because when I pick up a guitar, I naturally do something. So, you know, if it's for me, I find it very easy to just go, here it is. This is what I want to say. This is how it's going to sound. Two very different things, but both as enjoyable. I used to just love writing with the boys because it felt like a jam. It felt like a high school band type thing where we were all just sitting around shouting lyrics at each other in melodies and ideas and things.

It worked. How did night changes come about? Do you remember who had the original idea for that? Well, the original idea came from a guy called Jamie Scott, who also wrote, also wrote Story of My Life. He, John Ryan and Julian Benetta, they had this basic idea.

And then we came in and, like, started writing the verses and stuff with them. But yeah, that's such good, like, it's probably the best song. Or one thing. Do you like one? Oh, you're early, early. You like one thing.

One thing was always my favorite over. I loved what makes you beautiful. But one thing really did it for me. The music video. What was the music video again? You were all like... It was in London. Yeah.

You were going around the city. It was you were on a bus. And then we were on a bus. And then we were in a park, which I actually ended up living around the corner from. And anytime I'd go and get my coffee, I'd be like, there's the... That's where you found out.

We were on Trafalgar Square playing the song. And did you film those videos before everything took off? Those videos are what made you guys take off besides being on X Factor, right? Yeah, no, we, when do we... So we finished the show in December 2010 and then just like went straight to the studio. We were in Sweden a lot. Basically spending as much time as we could there with like Rami Yakub and Savin Ketja and Carl Falk, these big writers and they brought what makes you beautiful to the table.

And then we just started, we filmed the video at Malibu. for that. And then we what was the second? Then one thing was second maybe? Yeah. You tell me. I know.

It's been a while. And then we just shoot videos as you go, but they were always really good to videos. Fire. Story of my life video. Fire. Yeah. The ideas were always like amazing.

Do you guys have like creative input into that? Or were you just pitched ideas? A lot of the time you would get pitched an idea for a music video anyway, unless you had something really profound. But the story of my life. one kind of was like a conversation between us and Ben Winston the director and yeah we were like we you know you get the gut the guts of an idea and then start like breaking it down but yeah the story of my life video is such a such a good concept especially for a song for called story of my

life but um yeah what are my other favorites i like fireproof i like um i like stockholm syndrome of course um i like a lot i think a story of my life is one of my favorites too. I like, have ever heard of a song called Never Enough? Yes. It has loads of trumpets on it. What's my, I need my phone. There's not, it's not, it's not midnight memories,

but it's on the midnight memories album. I'll tell you right now my favorite. Diana? Best song ever. Best song ever. Yeah. Because it's the best song ever. Yeah, it is.

I remember hearing that song for the first time and it was so different than anything that was out there at the time. Yeah. I remember hearing it straight away. And I was like, now this is good. I remember record and I remember because we did

it used to record all the time on the road so it was like literally in hotel rooms mattresses we flipped the beds up against the wall to create like soundproof and in every hotel in the planet

really? And we would just like make the albums and come off stage record vocals do vocals in the afternoon. You worked. We worked. You worked.

And you didn't do that for this upcoming album. No. You got off tour. Yeah, yeah. And so when did this dinner party take place? Because this album,

the concept is you met your now girlfriend at a dinner party. Yeah. That you hosted. Yeah. Because you don't leave the house. Yeah. Who's about five and a bit years ago? And yeah, we just literally was having some friends over.

And a friend of mine was there and he was a mutual friend, turns out, to my now girlfriend. And we were just having a few drinks, eating whatever. and then he was like, do you mind if a friend of mine comes over with a friend of hers? And then we got chatting. She came in,

I offered her a drink, we got chatting, and then that's it. And now you're together. And that's it. Is she so, like, flattered that you've made this whole album about her? It's funny because, like,

when you get asked in an interview, what's the song about? It's obviously about my girlfriend. Right. You know, meeting my girlfriend at a dinner party, but my whole last album is about there as well. really I just didn't get questioned on it as much

we do live like a quite like a under a rock type life we like live quite a private life outside of but now that the album is dinner parties come out

and people are talking about it you know I am talking about it a lot more but we generally do live quite a private life what are you most excited for people to experience on the album

like no I think it's an album of like, yeah, love and romance and then all of the little bits in between, like the doubts and the fear of losing that person are like the 10 ways I can fuck this up. You know what I mean? I've got a song for each of them. And also like the fun, small moments and yeah, fear, loss, fear of loss, loss, romance, love are probably the four pillars of the album. and like I just want like I do with all of my songs

because I write in detail to a point because I think there's nothing worse to listen to music that you can't connect to the lyric at all. You're like I can see what they're trying to get at but I wasn't there. I don't understand what happened. You think the more specific you get, the more specific it becomes to someone else's life

because they're narrowing and all that feeling? Yeah, well, yeah, it comes very specific to my life if I write very specific lyrics about the color of the walls and the, we were at that dinner in this restaurant and that street and the, you know, that kind of stuff.

Yeah. Trying to get your point across and making it universal to the listener so they can attach their own emotion, like on how they attach a story in their life to that song. Like all of the best songs of all time. Like we don't know what goes on in Adele's life. Right. But because we can connect to the songs

because she's just laid it out. and told, you know, she's made it relatable to everybody. Oh, yeah. Do you know what I mean? Adele's so good. Yeah, she's ridiculous. She's so good. Someone, what is it?

Someone like you, one of the best breakup songs of all time. I mean. And she has this, she's this knack to be like, you feel angry for her. Yeah. Or with her. Yeah. Or you feel like you are her.

Do you know what I mean? You see yourself in her. That's all great songs. Yeah. Exactly. And like, yeah, the best songs kind of you can attach to. What's your favorite song of all time? Top three. I mean, bridge rover troubled waters is genius.

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I love Fleetwood Mac. If someone would say, if you could write a song, what song would you have written? And I'd say Dreams. Because it feels like the stuff I love to play. Like if I was to pick up a guitar, I would strum in that pattern. I would, you know, because of Fleetwood Mac.

And I think Dreams is like encapsulates all of that. So I would say dreams are desperado by the Eagles. Oh yeah, I read that you loved the Eagles. I love the Eagles. So you're like in, you listen to older music. Yeah, I grew up on like 70s, like rock and roll from Laurel Canyon. All of that, Fleetwood Mac, the Eagles, Crosby Stills and Nash and all the Doobie Brothers and all that kind of stuff. Yeah, so I have an older taste of music.

Mine is more new. Really? Why are you listening to? Like right now, I'm on a really big Ariana kick. Really? Really big, like hardcore, like thank you next era. Right, okay. I think it's one of the best breakup albums of all time.

Have you ever listened to it front to back? No, I haven't actually. I would you probably listen to the singles? Well, you're in love. So I don't know if you'll like relate to it. But like Louise and I are not. And so we listen to thank you next front to back on our drive back from Boston. And I was like...

You drove back from Boston? What? Yeah, we were... Or to New York. To New York. But you know, I did. I used to take road trips to L.A. from New York with my dad and my brother when I was a kid.

Really? Yes. You've done that? Multiple, multiple, multiple times. How long does that take? Five days. Nonstop? Yeah.

Would you stay in, like at nighttime? We would stay at like just, we would take the Midwestern route is the fastest. Whatever hotel my dad picked. That is crazy. I loved an embassy suites. Really? Yeah, they had the best breakfast. They had the best breakfast.

Buffet or Alicard? Buffet. Yeah. And they had a really good waffle machine. Yeah. And at the embassy suites, if you stayed at a good one, they had a glass elevator. Glass elevator. And I loved those.

I loved the way we'd like walk through the door and be like, glass elevator. Yeah, and that was like my favorite thing. One time we had to move hotels in the middle of the night because there was bed bugs. Really? That was, you know. Well, we talk about embassy suites. Oh yeah. I remember staying in a holiday inn and went to see my cousins in Boston one time.

And they had a waffle machine. I'd never had waffles in my life. They're like sweet breakfasts are not. a thing in Ireland. I don't like sweets. So, like, that's why I think I'd like Ireland. Yeah, we don't like the sweet with the savory

thing at breakfast in America is one of the most dumbfounding things of all time. I remember seeing the waffle machine for the first time be like, what the? It's pretty electric. This is nuts. Yeah, and it beeps, flip. And then you pop it out. It's awesome. Beep, flip. Yeah, yes.

So do you have beans for breakfast a lot in Ireland? Yeah, yeah. Beans, yeah. beans, sausages, bacon. Love sausage. Bean, sausages, bacon, mushroom, hash brown. We have this thing called black pudding, which is apparently made out of pig's blood, and it's stunning.

Beautiful. Maybe you need to have a full... Go to Ireland or London and have a full English or Irish breakfast. I've seen the black pudding, and I've strayed. No, no, he'd like it. Sell me on it. Like, I sold you on Poppy. I was your Super Bowl commercial, by the way.

It was great. It was just very exciting. Sometimes, I mean, you know, Like things happen and you're like, I can't believe this is happening. We did a Super Bowl commercial years ago with Drew Breeze, who was a player who played for the New Orleans team, Saints. Yeah, the Saints. And it was for Pepsi.

I was just like I don't know anything about American football really at this point. NFL or what do you call it? Football. Football. Don't know much about football at all. But I know who Drew Breeze is. and I know what Pepsi is and I know exactly what the Super Bowl is

and I knew what a Super Bowl commercial was of course and I just remember being like alright this is this is some big time stuff so I'm happy for you for getting your poppy commercial Thank you really it was fine And I just did another one Did you? I'll show it to you after Oh really? Yeah

It was really cool Oh my God we're getting all of the tea here today I worked with um have you ever worked with Dave Myers Oh I have never but I'm obviously He's awesome he directed it Really? Yeah I feel like it was for what for this? Yeah and I made him

because he directed the music video for Taylor Swift's me. And have you ever seen the Miss Americana documentary? Yep. Okay, you know when she's like looking at the monitor and she's having a conversation with Dave Myers and they just like have a back and forth? I made him recreate that with me. No, you didn't.

Yeah, I did. I love that song, by the way. Me? Miss Americana. Oh, best. That might be her best one. Really, you think? Is that your favorite?

Yeah, the melody in it is so good. She's a master at melodies And me, me's a good song too But I love you and me I love that line Play stupid games You in stupid prizes It's you and me

That's my whole world Miss America and the heart brave ground Okay That one Banger Banger But I remember what It has my favorite song of all the time

Have you ever heard the Archer? Yeah The Archer too Yeah Let's talk about favorite songs of all time That Someday by the strokes are you going to go and see the strokes?

Why, yes, I am. At Coachella? I am. I think this comes out after Coachella. It does. How was the strokes? I think it was good. I can't remember it.

But every time I'm always out of music festival and the strokes are always there and I always am there for their first half of their show and then my friend makes me leave and I always miss someday. It's such a cheer. And someday's like my favorite song of all time. And you're a New Yorker, so you get it. The strokes are just. The strokes are so,

have inspired so, well, they're so in New York, but they've inspired so many, like any sort of rock music from around that time since. It's just because of the strokes, really.

You know what I just got into? Just now. Like, never heard them before a day in my life besides one song. It's like offensive. Radiohead. What?

Only just got in. Just got in. To be fair, I didn't know what Poppy was before this. And then I called Louise, and I said, have you ever heard radio had? And she said,

Yes, she said, because she was very depressed in high school. Oh, jeez. I mean, he's a genius. Tom York. What's the worst dinner party you've ever been to or ever hosted? Oh, fuck it. Dinner parties are... To be if...

I can't with dinner parties. Really? Tell me a new thing for me. I feel like you, like, before I met my girlfriend, the thoughts of... The thoughts of having people around was no. It's just miserable. But now that I'm getting older and I have a dog in a house,

like you slowly do. You're 20, what do we say? 26. Right. We got to 26, okay. But my thing is with dinner parties is, like, I'm in and out of a meal. So, like, I would go to dinner after and I kind of like, the one luxury I really, like, allowed myself to indulge in,

was just getting up and leaving dinner. Oh, really? What, leaving everyone? behind. Yes. That's some diva shit. What? Yeah.

Are you serious? I'm going. Are you serious? Yeah. You can't do that. That's proper Irish goodbye stuff. Uh-huh. What?

I didn't think that that was rude. I was like, we've all had a long day. I've been on stage for a few hours. I've got to go. To be fair now, if we're at home, I will sometimes just like, I don't know, pick, I'm finished first. I'll pick up my plate and like. That is not the same thing.

But like, leaving a restaurant to leaving everyone behind. Well, I would pick one person. to bring with you. I'd say, you have to come with me. I would say Louise, let's go. Right.

Or I'd say, Manny, let's go. And then Louise, because she works with you, has to fucking stand up and go, all right. I will help it.

Even though I want to stay here. No, sometimes she'll be like, I'm staying. And then I'll say, okay, so Manny, come on.

That's so good. But Manny's always, but the thing about Manny is, Mani. I feel like I know Manny. Why do you say that? Mani, come here right now. She said, no.

Okay, you want to know why you feel like you may know, Mani? Because this, this is Mani and you. Holy. I imagine I zoomed in myself first just to see how bad it was that year. Which one? Oh, there she is. That's the girl I met outside. Oh, my God.

Where's that, Manny? First stadium. What's it in L.A.? Oh my God. But that's why you feel like you know Manny. Right, okay. That's why I know Manny. And that is why I hate dinner parties.

So you just go, come on, Manny, we're going. And that's it. And then everyone just left. No, yeah. Have you picked up the bill at this point? I pick up the bill every time. Right, okay, okay. So at least you paid so people can't go,

why does he leave all the time? Well, here's my thing. I know that they've now dealt with me the entire day. I know it's not that. serious if I get up and leave. They like, I like, I'm sure they don't need, they don't. Right. You want me to say, I mean, that's a rock and a hard place.

Right. Like, you know, they're definitely down for like a, like, a, like, you know, like he's gone. Like, yeah. We don't need to like deal with. We've had enough. We've had enough. I mean, especially my, you know, if, do you have a good tour manager? Yes, Paul.

He's out there. Right. Okay. Yeah, yeah. No, we, I stick around. I don't, no, you can't just be. Unless I've got, unless I've got. we have, like, work early the next morning. I love to stick around. You do? Yeah.

My thing is I just, I'm like, ah, like, I don't know how to describe it. I just, I have to leave. Well, you're claustrophobic, aren't you? Yeah. What, do you get a bit like, antsy? I just get, like, hot. I get hot and I get, like, I'm like, oh my God, like, I need to, like, go get naked and be in bed. No, what I'll do is I'll try and convince everyone that we should all leave. Oh, no, I leave. No, I like, because I actually really don't like sitting there for, you know, when you've had dinner and then the conversation then starts when dinner's finished. You know what I mean? And then you're sitting around for ages and you'd have another few drinks and talk crap.

And like in a public setting, I hate. I just have to, like, once we've eaten, you're full. All right. That's why we came here. Let's go. Yeah. So we are aligned. Kind of.

But I'll do more like, is anyone not just like think that we should just, you know, like, that we've done, you know, I'll do a lot of that kind of complainy. I'm learning a lot of complaining. you. I'll do a lot of complaining to the point where people go, yeah, do you know what? He might be right. Let's go. Right. Instead of just getting up and leaving.

My saying is, I got to get out of here. I got to get out of here. That's what I say every time. I got to get out of here. And we get up. I get up with Manny. And we leave. But what I was saying was Manny and I are like soul sister twin flames in the sense that

like we're always happy to be together. Like it really is always just the two of us. Right. I do have to bring up our mutual friend, Tucker. Tucker. Tucker. Oh, what a legend. He's such a nice guy.

That's how I first seen Terrapus was when he was on it. Years ago. Really? Yeah. When was that? A couple of years ago? Yeah, it was like two years ago.

Yeah, so I watched, but yeah, he, we went to his gig in, in London, which actually was near my house, and Louis Capaldi had done Sally the night before, and then I did Sally. And Sally happens way too late in the gig, because by the time I,

got on stage. I was hammered. I wonder how he came up with that. I don't know. Have you ever been Sally? Are you lying? Is this a... No. What? I live under a rock. I'm missing something. I just wonder how he came up with it. Oh my God. It was you that started Sally. Oh, fuck. No, it's okay. Oh, my God. No one knows. When you said, I wonder how he came up with that. No one knows. No one knows. I was talking to Shibuzi

the other night. I was like, how did he come up with that? He was like, I really don't know. Oh, this went on for like a solid 10 minutes. Because he does not tell anyone. Yeah, but it happens. Sally's too late in the set. Because by the time I got there, like, I was like, I think it was like a, like a Tuesday night or something. You know, school night. And I was just like bananas drunk because I just was like drinking throughout the gig.

And then all of a sudden it was like, oh, fuck. Now I have to go out here and pretend. Do you seem like the most fun drunk ever? Right. Do you think? I want to drink with you. All right. we should definitely go for a drink.

You want to go for a drink? Yeah. Like not right now, obviously, but like... No, 100% we should. Well, we live close by somewhat. We'll get the gang together and see... But yeah, Tucker, I really enjoyed him. He was such a nice fella.

Then we made him... We took him out the stage door of the concert. Oh, yeah, that's what it was. Lewis came back the second night, because I was doing it. So he went to two of Tucker shows. And we had a few drinks in the bar afterwards, then we took Tucker out the back stage door.

Uh-huh. The fans were kind of in a different spot, and we took them around, and then forced him to get on a bus after, like a red bus in London after the show. We went straight back to my house, and I have a bar in my basement. I've heard. And, yeah, we had a few. And then all of a sudden you look at the fucking clocking at four in the morning and the more old.

He's not a big boozer, though. Should we call him? Yeah, let's call Tucker. So hold on. You need to tell me the original... Do you know what you should do? Call Tucker and make him tell the original Sally story. Yeah. See if he says you are a fan. Yeah.

Does he know you're here? No. I can't tell if I want you to call him or if I should call him. You do it. You're best friends with him. Well. Your call has been... Best friends forever.

We're trying to kill. Your call has been... Oh, even faster. Wow. That Sally didn't go well, do it? You call him now. All right. Well, he just probably knows when you call him

because you probably text him, and he just knows that if you're calling him, it's... We talk all the time. Right, but do you call him when you're talking? See, he knows you're doing a podcast with someone. Well, that's the British ring, right? Yeah.

Hello, Tucker. Is this a test? It's actually rude, though, I think. You're actually rude. I'm for now hard enough. I love that sparrows. But you declined it. Like, you actually actively pressed no.

Welcome. If you've got more followers in you, therefore I pick up for one he calls. Yeah. See? That's Hollywood. That's some star shit. That's crazy.

That's crazy. You're going to learn. You got to climb the ropes, man. He's actually... He's genuinely, like, visibly vexed. Yeah, I'm upset. We were trying... Do you know what we were trying to get to the bottom of, Tucker?

We were trying to get to the bottom of who is the original Sally? Was it Finn? Was it Finn or was it Jake? This little boy in Austin, Texas. It was his birthday, and it was him. Okay. him he started it. Jake is sitting here with a very sour face.

Seems to believe it. I know what to say to you right now, honestly, Tucker. Right. I think you need... He just might not... Yeah, he might not have his vape on him, so you're giving his vase. Like a dummy.

You know, I have been thinking about it now that you mention it, so... Jake would be very... original Sally, Jake was the original Sally, that's all I'm going to hear, and it's true. He just, he needed that. We should all go for a drink, huh? Yeah.

Bye, Tucker. See ya. What's going on here? So tell me what's wrong. Okay. So the pussy's right in. Okay. And they tell us what's wrong, and we give them advice.

Okay. And then we prescribe them a remedy. We prescribed them. Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha. Ooh, and they can get messy. Case in point. I'm falling in love. love with my best friend's boyfriend.

Ooh. I know, I know. I know. He's just so sweet and takes care of both of us. And he's always around because we live together and he's alluded to that. He thinks I'm pretty a couple of times. I would never do that to my best friend, but their relationship seemingly coming to its end, maybe they're always fighting.

And I'm wondering how bad it would be to start talking him after. It would be atrocious. So what's your prescription? Stop. Yeah, stop. I would prescribe maybe finding dick elsewhere. Right. Okay, okay.

That's your prescription. I don't know. Yeah, that's really bad. Yeah. I don't think you can do it. I would watch, like, maybe the Scand of all episodes of Vanderpump Rules. Euphoria, right? Do you watch euphoria?

No, I've never actually watched euphoria. I need to watch that, actually. It's really good. It's giving euphoria. Right. Okay. And there's a scene in euphoria. You won't know what I'm talking about,

but maybe this person will, where Maddie looks at Cassie, because Cassie is hooking up with Nate, sorry, spoiler alert. And Maddie, Cassie's like so depressed. I forget what happens, but like she's like so down bad about Nate. And this is after she already is with him after Maddie breaks up with him. And Maddie looks at her and goes, I hope you enjoy it. This is your life now.

Oh. And I would prescribe that scene of euphoria. Right. Oh, there you go. That's the prescription. Right. And it's a good one too at that. That scene of euphoria.

I need to watch euphoria, to be fair. Do you watch any scripted television? Do you have a life? No, you do. But I'm wondering if you watch script. Do you watch, like, I'm wondering if we have watched similar shows. I like Peaky Blinders. Have you ever watched Pecky Blinders?

No, I haven't, but that checks out for you. What else do I like? Oh, shit. I like White Lotus. Of course. Yeah. Love that show. That's probably one of my favorites.

I can't think on this ball. I hate been put on the spot. Okay, I'm so sorry. Move on. Okay. My roommate got broken up with and is taking it very hard. I was there for her and supported her for the first couple of days, but it's been like three or four weeks since she's still like moping,

leaving shit everywhere, being messy, crying loudly, never doing anything with me, etc. Do I continue to support her or is it time for some tough love? Both. Ooh, a bit of both, yeah. A bit of both. And thank you next by our undergrad. So she's, she's continuing to support. currently, is that what she says?

She just needs to be like, I understand you're sad, but it's been four weeks. Like, I would watch Legally Blonde because, you know, in the opening scene of Legally Blonde, she's like so depressed, Mopee, Mopee, Mopee. And then, like, she finds a passion. Right. So just encourage your friend to find a new passion.

Correct. I think, it depends how long the relationship was too. Yeah, sometimes we miss context here. Yeah. That's what we're into. Yeah. No, if the relationship's long, four weeks is not a lot.

Yeah. Well, you know, people say that, You grieve double the amount of time you were to, or what is it? You grieve half the day. Yeah. I know what you mean. Yeah. What's your prescription?

It's thank you next by Arne Grondeh. Right. Start to finish. Right. Start to finish. It's the best breakup album. Bit of tough love. That or, um, I would say back to black.

It's a great breakup album, which it is, but it's more like that'll encourage her mopiness. Yeah. Okay. You know, because like, that's just it. Like, Ariana gets over the break. Right. Okay. I woke up at 4 a.m.

on the concrete outside of a strip. Club last weekend with literally no idea how I got there. I talked to my friends afterwards and they were telling me I told them I was going home and gotten an Uber. Help, this is crazy behavior and I need to know if that's bad enough to seek help. I will say it's an isolated incident. Send in by Jake. And it is just a time of reflection.

It's a time of reflection where you're like, wow, I should not be drinking the way I'm drinking. Yeah, no, the hangovers. I wonder how old this person is, but the hangovers when you get to a certain age are dreadful. It's not even... So they're actually scary when it comes. My hangovers now are more so mental.

Yeah. Physical, I can cure that. The mental gymnastics I do each morning after waking up of going out and drinking is just... You know what? For me, it's not day one. It's day two. Really? Why?

Day one is just like, I'm actually happy that sometimes being hungover is kind of... Being hungover is awesome. It's great. Like eating shit. Sleeping whatever. What's your dream hangover day? 11 a.m. McDonald's when the main menu starts not the breakfast menu

Wow Yeah I take Sometimes you're sat there McDonald's doesn't serve regular food 24-7 I thought that was their whole bet No I think they don't start the main menu until 11 o'clock Which is you have to wait

Are you sure? Yeah, I'm pretty sure I'm right Wow I don't think so Is that not true Yeah I think they do It's only the breakfast menu that has an isolated time

For it So you've been I think they've been Like the snack wraps at like 90s. Well, maybe it's a new breeds thing then. Yeah, maybe. Maybe it's a new breed's thing. Totally.

It could be a new breed's thing. Totally. Okay, so you, so you, 11 a.m., you order McDonald's. 11 a.m. So I can't sleep once I've had a drink, whatever I've gone to bed at 2 a.m. or 11 p.m.

I'm waking up at 7 or 8. And I'm one of those people that thinks I have to get up and do something. And then wait for 11, order McDonald's. Then have a nap between, you know, 12 and 3 or 4. get back up for first dinner call it first dinner dinner number one dinner number one usually

maybe another type of burger maybe like a chick fillet or something like that or some sort of like a sandwich from somewhere like a parm sandwich how do you maintain your figure well I recently gave up the booze for six weeks

oh you look amazing what's for KG is like eight pounds you gave up alcohol and lost eight pounds Anybody know what 4KG is? 8.8 pounds. You know, I'm giving up alcohol this month. Okay, okay, continue with your... Yeah, we keep shouting out other people.

Yeah, stop drinking for six weeks, eight pounds, working out and eating well, doing all the things we were talking about. Where were we? First dinner, yeah, and then maybe have another nap. Bed at, like, ten-ish, and then wake up in the horrors the next day. Okay. Do I know my dream hangover day? Go on.

I wake up with all my best friends. And I know this. I can't think of Entomores. And I know, really? And I know this sounds crazy, but sometimes it's better if we all got into a massive screaming fight the night before. Because we think it's so funny the following day. Usually my favorite hangover spot in the city is the Beverly Glen Diner.

Oh, you go out for lunch? It's nice to just like get out there and feel the sun. Well, like lunch is in like just pick up a sandwich and... No, no, sit. Right, okay. And then we sit there and I look at... and I say, I need to leave. Oh, yeah, okay.

We need to leave. Louise. Lunch, home. Yeah. TV show. Yeah. Scripted. Yeah, scripted.

Not non-scripted. Not, usually not nonscripted. Smoke, dinner. And then like a night- What would you have for dinner? Like, well, if it's a Sunday, I love it, sushi. Yeah. Sushi on a hangover.

Yeah. I know one other person like that. And that's great. My tour manager, I think he, I think he's a, we would get along, my cousin as well. Paul. Sushi on a hangover is, I could not, like, I love sushi. Well, it's that, that's why it's for dinner. Or like, uh, or like, um, what else do I, or like an Italian.

pasta. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I can do with that. I can deal with that. And then, and then, yeah, I guess you're right. The next day is the day where it's like, what the, I'm like very depressed right now. Because you're kind of early morning on the day of hangar. You're still kind of have to. I mean, that's almost better than going out.

When you wake up and you're still drunk and you're like wandering around and you're like, what is happening? Like one time like, like, what is happening? One time my friend, Peyton and I, we went to, this was the best hangover day of all time. We went to the Beverly Glen Diner and then we went next door to the Beverly Glen pharmacy and we bought fake babies and we carried the babies around all day. And then we went to Nobu for dinner and got high chairs for the babies. sat and had wine with our babies.

And then we also brought the babies to our friends play. And we bought a giant rabbit that's actually in the main house. And you were hung over doing all of this. I don't think I can move that much. I get it. Like I walk down the street, I could go and grab a coffee, then regret the coffee because the caffeine's made me more anxious. And then die on the couch for the rest of the evening.

I don't know if I could do much more. But isn't that so beautiful that you have someone that you're so in love with that you can do that with? Yeah. How sad to do it alone? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. She and her hangovers are worse than mine, which is... I do it alone. You do it alone?

I do it alone. What about your best friends? Well, sometimes they're not here. Right. And I do it alone and it's excruciating. It is, you want to know what I do to just get through the day. I get a Benadryl IV. Benadryl IV?

Yeah. I have someone come over and they give me an IV and they push Benadryl into it and I just sleep. Wow. I can't stay. No. But at least I give off the vibe I am. Yep. I'm genuinely so bad at driving.

I'm wondering if they should take my license or not. I almost crashed like every time. Sorry, that was all in caps. I'm in the car and it's even worse when it's raining or I am driving around other people. I'm really insecure about it, but like my friends are not wrong to not want to get in the car with me.

I'm just a girl. I DK what the damn remedy is because I need to drive to and from work. and we don't have a train close enough. I don't drive, so I don't. I don't even know what to start that was. There was a lot of energy in that. She's basically like, I have to drive and I'm not good at it.

So what do I do? Don't drive. But she has to. She has to drive. I mean, I don't drive. Do you not? How do you live in L.A. and not drive? I Uber.

Oh, my God. Or? I hear that's one thing. You can imagine who drives me around, Louise. Or? Manny. Um, that's a yeah just don't drive then just get i don't know

there's not much to do i don't really know what she i would say like don't drive your friends but drive yourself and just try to stay off your phone i i can't imagine driving it sounds horrible i love driving really i i hate my pet peeve as being in the back of a car i just i'm so jealous that you get to experience the feeling of like being alone in a car like you know like i because i uber everywhere i'm always I've never been alone in a car, so, like, I have never been able to, like, fully, like, sing or fart in a car alone. Like, you know what I mean?

Sing and then farting. Get a car. Like, do you know what I mean, though? If that's what you're missing out on. Because, like, and even in a Waymo, like, they're listening. Have you seen the video of the girl in the waymo, like, singing without her seatbelt? And the girl comes on and says, put on your seatbelt. Oh, right.

Yes, like, they're watching. Oh, they're definitely watching. So I've never been alone in a car before. It's horrible. I've never been, I feel like, I've never got. and the experience to just like... You need to learn how to drive. I know.

You definitely need to do that. I won't. That's your New York kid, aren't you? Yeah, I can't. You've got subway everywhere. I did. Yeah, yeah. I did.

I hate my job and I can never stop thinking about work. I just graduated college and all I want to do is go back to school. How do you embrace the season you are in and look at the bright side as quitting simply isn't an option since I'm lucky to even have a job. Dot-to-dot question mark. God, you know, I really missed call... So I went to college and I really missed it. That first year I graduated. But you have so much life ahead of you.

You know what I mean? Where did you go to school? USC. Oh, you came out here for college. Yeah. Right. What did you study? Public relations.

Did you? Yeah. Look at you relating to the public. You think? Yeah. For sure. Thank you. No.

What was our question again? How do you live in the now? Do you ever have struggle with that? Oh, yeah. Because I just like, I have this like constant thing where you just take it all in because you never know when it's going to go away. Yeah. So I'm just like, you're going to live with that all the time. Which is a good way, good place to be in a way because it keeps you driven and motivated, I guess.

Like be like Louise. Like Louise had the best time in college. She had a friend group called the Peppers. The Peppers? Did you wear leather jackets with Peppers written on the back of her? It's like grease or something. No, but there's, it was. It was a group, are you, get this, a group of 20 girls that were all friends.

I said, and they never fought. Oh. 21? 28. 28 girls. They'll call the Peppers. There's 28 pepas. That's a whole classroom of people.

But Louise is able to lead a beautiful and fulfilling life post college while still reminiscing on college. And I think that's what you need to do. And I'm sure Louise didn't always like your job. No. Not this. Okay. I hate. I'm oh that's it

you have fun that was so good what did we learn today we covered pretty much everything we learned first of all we learned that we're getting a super mold commercial again with poppy with poppy

we learned that the castle on the hill is real it's real and he broke his leg there only six years old we learned that Tucker hates you Tucker clearly hates me and answers you and not me yeah well that like and that

makes sense, but the fact that he did, I can't talk about it. Actually, we need to move on. We learned that, um... I actually do like gumbo and thought that I hated it. I don't think you know what gumbo is. Yeah, either do I. Yeah. No, I still think it's chowder. I've learned that in Ireland that you guys don't do sweets for breakfast. No, no, no, no, not at all.

And I also learned that I've made a new friend today. Yes, I agree. Do you agree? Do we agree? Should we hug? I think we should hug. Beautiful. I felt that. It's a new friendship.

It's a new friendship. It's a new friendship. Well, first of all, thank you for coming on the show. Thanks for having me. I know how busy you are. Thank you for having me. This is great. I love it.

Next time. I can't wait for the next time. Please. Yeah. Dinner party. Your fourth solo album is out June 5th. Yes. It's incredible.

I got to listen to it early. Thank you. It's amazing. Bye, pussies.