Therapuss with Jake Shane - Session 125: Nicholas Galitzine

Episode Date: June 5, 2026

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Honestly, you can. We're all rolling. Okay. Okay. Okay, bye. Fun. I've never done this. No one's never not been in the room before.

What do you mean? Like, there's always no Lynn and Louise there. Wow, so we're like pioneering right now. I guess. Well, this is my first podcast ever. You're lying. Are you serious? You just got me so excited.

So I don't know if I'm going to be any good at the format or not. Wait, I think you'll be great. We were just kicking outside. Okay. We were kicking, yes. Yes, we were. This is your first podcast. You know, this is his first podcast?

First podcast. No one is. Well, it's, it is kind of a new format. Yeah. I mean, only in the last really few years. Uh-huh. Well, Nicholas Galatine is on today. Yay.

Yay. Yes, yes, yes. I saw your movie Masters of the Universe yesterday. Amazing. Where'd you guys film? We filmed in London. Oh, so you're... Well, I mean, to be honest,

I mean, I was living here when I got the job. Nothing films in L.A. anymore. Starting to, though, now. Maybe times are changing, but I've filmed one job in my whole career in L.A. You'll never believe who just walks in the backhouse, walks in, Ryan. I said, oh, Nicholas, this is Ryan. Ryan goes, hey, I go, what are you doing? Like, you don't understand, like.

So he's not supposed to be here. Like, he's... Are you codependent with anyone? Well, you just hard lunch your girlfriend now. Yeah, I mean, that was kind of, that was kind of supposed to be to my close friends. Oh, you did it by accident? Look, I mean, anyone who, you know, follows me at all knows that I've had a girlfriend

for a few years, but, you know, we like to be private. Which, you know, I think is just easier in this day and age. But, yeah, I was doing a shoot yesterday. And usually, you know, post things to my close friends. and, uh, I didn't know you had a close friends. Well, listen, man, let's see how this goes. Okay, wait, I like, let's see how this goes.

I don't even use close friends. What do you use? I, like, I did, nothing. If I had something private to say, I'll, like, text it. But, like, what are you, what are you uploading? That's, that would make you, well, like, well, like, my close friends would just be like me talking shit. Oh, yeah.

So it's like, I can't do that. What do you think of that new, the instance thing? You like it? You are so tapped in. Wait, I'm like, wasn't expected this out of you. Oh, I'm getting real tapped in. Okay, yeah, what do you think of the instance thing? I don't love it.

I think it's stupid. I don't love it. I hate it. And I don't want to see that little thing in the corner. It's starting to piss me off when I go check my DM, like, and you hear the, you feel the little, like, you know. And it's just also like the level of like the content is really just like, it's just. Yeah, it's not good. I just don't care.

You sift through it and you're like, I don't, I didn't need this. Yeah. Well, I don't, do you sift through it? I did it once. And I was like, wait, can I go back? And it turns out you can't go back. I do sift through it. I'm curious.

You're curious? I'm a curious person, yeah. Did you finish filming Red, White, and Royal Blue, too, yet? Yeah. Yeah, start of the year, really. I mean, we, we, it's been, it's been kind of, I just kind of want to hug this, sorry. Yeah.

Is that right? That doesn't ruin your shot. I, yeah, we started, we started, finish filming at the end, at the end of, uh, February. This is a really quick shoot, but, um, quick. Quick, well, I mean, it was just, I, I'm, I'm, I'm very, fortunate to kind of be in a position now I'm kind of going from job to job so I had to squeeze in a little indie film after that before this I know it's so look at me I was squeezing that little indie what

indie was it it's um it's a really it's a really cool uh film called the return of stanley at well it's a period piece set in the 1950s where I play a the air to a massive fortune whoever in thought was dead and then he shows up 15 years years later. The guy who has the fortune. Yes. And they don't know if he's a doppelganger. Okay, so what's the sequel of Red White and Royal Blue called?

It's a tongue twister, isn't it? Red, white and Royal Blue. To be honest. You call it Red White? Yeah. Okay. Red White and Royal Wedding is the sequel. You guys are getting married?

Well, that's the, that's the sort of the Easterer. You really had to be there for when that first dropped. You know, I had to be there. I was there. You were there. You were in it. It's amazing. I rewatched it the other week in prep for this.

It's amazing how well it did as well. I mean, obviously, I know the books were really successful. It did really well for Amazon. Oh, well, that, yes. I feel like, you know, especially since the strike, it's been an interesting times in terms of how movies are getting made and stuff like that. And I think it's almost going back to this old model where, you know, when you had a sort of close relationship with the studio, you know,

they trust you. Right. I think that's kind of partially it. How would you elevator pitch that movie to me if I had never seen it before? Well, it's, it's an animated show that, you know, was a toy line that Dolph Lundgren from Rocky fame.

I don't know if you saw, seen Rocky. Boxer. Yeah. Isn't Sylvester Stallone in Rocky? Yes. He is Rocky actually. When I tell you,

I literally, that was like as if I had a basketball. And I was facing. this way and the hoop was this way and I went like this. You know it's like one of the most famous movies of all time though. I mean, I don't know if that's... You could have told me Schwarzenegger. You could have told me anyone I would have said, right.

Wait, what's your favorite movie? Of all time? Yeah. Dev Wars Rada. That's a fucking good movie. It's a good, you want to know why it's my favorite movie? Yeah, of course. Because I would never pull the fuck shit she did in Paris.

When she drops her, and I get it, be like, well, that's the point. She lost herself. Okay. So who do you think the real villain was then? her boyfriend and her fuck-ass friends who would not let her do anything

she wouldn't she couldn't win she couldn't win she'd be like oh my god I had the best day of work my boss loves me look how fashionable I am on my head to toe like in whatever she wants like showing up late to dinner cunch chic whatever

and our friends are like we've lost you okay so but okay I mean I hear you yes but also it is you know it's like it's difficult when you're in a relationship with someone you feel like they're changing in front of your eyes and you can't you can't connect you know with them anymore

I know it's sad, but should she have quit her job over it? No. No. Have you seen the sequel? No, I've been dying to. I love it. Really? Love the toch.

The toch, man. Yeah, he's great. He's awesome. Streep. Is it he also in burlesque? Yeah. Stanley? Fact check?

No, because Berliske is definitely Luis's favorite movie of all time. I think he's, I think he's, wait, wait, Wait, Berlis, is that wagon wheel Wattusi? I've never, Yeah, I knew it. And I've never even seen it, by the way. Can you can, is Burlesque with Christina Aguilera? And there's the amazing thing where she was like,

I know every song. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Tell me to play whatever song and I'll do whatever song. And I've never seen them. You know what? Tonight I'm going to watch Burlesque. So, okay, so in red, white, and world, can we talk for like five seconds about it?

Yeah, of course. So who's in charge of the relationship there? You or the president's son? Like who do you think leads the way? I think, I think I do. I think I do, yeah. I think, I think he's more, I think Alex is more happy, go lucky, you know,

and Henry's kind of, he's kind of one of those sort of quite, he's quite emotional. So Alex kind of has to adjust to his mood swings, I think, all the time. Yeah, did you have fun filming the second one? Yeah, had a good time. I mean, it's the first time I've, I've, I've, gone back to shoot anything, you know, done a sequel. So it's kind of trippy.

You know, you usually get so used to working with people and then, you know, not seeing them for a decade. And so that was really, really nice. Right. And, you know, seeing Uma again. Oh, Uma. Who I've worked with... Every time she pops up in a movie, I'm like, that's Uma Thurman.

It's kind of crazy, isn't it? Right? Pulp fiction. What are you doing? I watch a lot of TV. Like... Wait, what TV? do you watch.

You know how Christina Euler is like, name every song that I could say and I sing a song. Yeah. Name TV show. Uh, the traitors. Yes. So good, isn't it?

Breaking Bad. Yes. Sopranos. No. But keep going because that doesn't count. Gray's Anatomy. Yes. Vampire.

Yes. Okay. I think I'm trying to, I think subconsciously I'm trying to choose things that I think you would have watched. One, two, three TV show go. Uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, I, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, I've seen Game with Thones. Yes, I've seen Game in Thrones.

Andor. No. Okay, so this is not that impressive. You've just seen, yeah. You've seen kind of a regular amount of TV, I think. No, I've seen, yeah. Now you have me wondering what I do in my free time. Yeah, what do you do?

I don't know, but today somebody tried to diagnose me on the internet with, what is it? And they listed the reasons why they think I have it. They go, you know, symptoms may include sudden weight gain. I respond sudden. And, dot, dot, dot, weight gain. Go to my comment section. It's literally one of the top comments. She's like, I think you have this.

On what? On my latest Instagram. What is it? It's a mental disorder? No. Okay. But we were talking about your weight gain. You were talking about your weight gain.

Well, you had to put on some pounds for this role. Again, you were so good at the transitions. That is so impressive. Wait, really? Yeah, that's so good. But you did, no? I did. I did.

I don't know if that can. came across as rude, but you had to like bulk up. No, it was pretty rude. No, I look, I, I had to put a lot of weight on in a quite short period of time. And I definitely, when you're putting that much size on, you, as well as muscle, you also gain a lot of fat. And so I, I didn't recognize myself for a few months at least. And, you know, you're getting asked to come and do like,

public like events and stuff like that and you just don't see yourself which is kind of trippy. So did you bulk and then cut? Yeah. Okay. And that's that's and you had to do it quickly. Yeah. And so you're eating a lot. I was eating like 5,000 calories a day.

Yeah. It was it was it was kind of like a sickening amount of food. What were you eating? Like okay, wake up. Okay, wake up and the big omelet, breakfast potatoes, fruit. And then there'd be sort of a snack in between then like big lunch with like, a lot of rice, a lot of protein, then another snack, then kind of do the same thing again, then another snack.

Wait, wait, wait, wait, two lunches? Yeah, you kind of have, yeah. Well, did your stomach hurt all the time? Oh, yeah. It was, it just wasn't fun. You're kind of going from eating way too much food to way too little. Yeah. And I'm like not a good person when I, I'm, I'm hang, I'm a hungry person.

Okay. You know, I'm, I said that was also equally difficult. You're Libra. Yeah, I am. How did you know that? Because I looked up your birthday. Okay, good it. And, but I get that Libra vibe in you.

What is, what does it say about me? It's like, you want peace, like you're good with whatever, you're chill, like you're happy go lucky. Yeah. You're not in the mood to fight. What's your partner? I don't, you know, it's interesting you say that I'm not in the mood to fight. I think I am.

I think I, I, I think I like to fight. You like to fight? I, I think I'm quite a, I think I'm quite a confrontation. You are right. I do feel like I like justice. I like balance. I care about different people's perspective on it. I feel like the way to sort of achieve harmony in life

is to kind of get all viewpoints. But I also, I think I'm quite emotional. Libra's can be emotional. Yeah. But I can react in a sort of passionate way, I think, when I feel, yeah, like scorned. Okay. Aren't you a Libra?

Yeah, that means. make sense. Would you say that's true to you? Yeah, pretty much like nailed it exactly. Yeah. Nolan feels strongly about things. Yeah. Or I don't feel strongly about anything. At all. Yeah. Yeah. It's one or the other. We're kind of mercurial beings, aren't we? That's a good work for it. Yeah, it is. So you, so you want to try my candy? Want to try what? My candy. Yes, I do. Of course. Yeah, yeah. So this is my own special skill that we're releasing soon.

Do you want pink or do you want blue? Pink. Are they different flavors? Look, that one's sad. So, so octopus. Yeah. Because you have a passion for octopus. Is it like, you're like a candy Somalié and you have to like, I guess.

Yeah, I kind of love that. Mmm. Mmm. Mmm. Mmm. Mmm. It's good. So.

Incredible. You like? I love it. So this is your first podcast, you say? Do you think you'll ever do another one? I think this is it for me. Uh-huh. I think this is, it won't get better.

So the octopus comes up, it won't get better. Oh, yeah, that could mean that I didn't even mean in that, in that way, but yeah. Which, how'd you mean it? This isn't about me. So do you actually want to hear about octopus or like? I love octopus. The creature or the food? The food.

In college, I had an internship at a record label, and then they were like, okay, you need to go finish college before you work for us full time. And I was smoking a lot of weed. You'd smoke weed? Not anymore. No. Used to? Used to, yeah.

Okay. So I was smoking a lot of weed, and I was really bored. And so I made this account called Pass That Puss where I would go out to eat, and I would eat Octopus and review it and be like, one out of a, this is really good, 6.4 out of eight tentacles. Hi, pussies. Tents up. And so that's where this came from, and now we're here. what were you expect did you suspect it was shut the fuck up when i'm fucking talking

did you expect that it was going to evolve into something else because it's kind of a niche right like i finished talking now that was the first i had no it is crazy how much i've cut you off but can i tell you it's it's a testament to how comfortable i feel with you yeah because we're having a conversation. To be fair, I haven't noticed it. Yeah. Thank you. So you can, shut the fuck. Yeah. So, no. If you told me while I was reviewing Octopus that I would end up with a show called Therapus that somehow made its way onto Netflix, no. I kind of thought it was just like a high habit. Yeah. You still review Octopus? I haven't in a while, but I'll probably do it tomorrow because we're going to Vegas. Just today, Gracie Abrams announced her look at my life tour. Arion

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If I can, like, stay in my house, like, as much as possible, like, I will. Really? What do you do at home? Just, uh, I, I whittle wood. You're lying right now. No, yeah, it's my, I make little chest pieces. Um, yeah, I just kind of. That's what you do all day?

And you listen to music while you do that? This is music. What music you listen to? I kind of do everything, really. I know that's such a wanky answer. Okay, well, let's say we're Whittling Wood right now. Okay, you need a podcast. What are you playing?

I'm playing. What am I playing? Like, Bonnie Verre? Oh, my God, that's so... Oh, okay. That was good? I love Bonnie Bear. Favorite album?

Oh, I don't know. The new one. The new one. The new one is great, right? Sable fable. I love everything that he does. He does, yeah. What's your favorite Pony Vair song?

Oh, what is it called? 33 God. Oh, you know, I haven't really given that one a chance yet, but I know I need to. Oh, no, it's not. The wolves, what do they call it? The wolves, axe one and two. Okay.

That was really good. It's like a place at the end of place beyond the pines as well. Really slow. Never seen that. I love Ethel Cain. Oh, you listen to a lot of Ethel Cain. Yeah. Crush.

Crush. Crush is great. It's my favorite. song. Bonnie Vair. You listen to a lot of Bonnie Vair while you're whittling wood. Yeah. That sounds really... That makes sense. Does it? Yeah. I feel like that's what he would want. Yeah. Oh, no. It's definitely what he would want. It's not, I don't just wit or wood. I don't want to like paint this image of me as some sort of lonesome, uh, what's not really a wood whittler. Wood whittler. Yeah. I was going to say lumberjack,

which was making me sound kind of cooler, but that's, that's not what I do. Is that what a lumberjack does? No, a lumberjack cuts down. trees. Do they still exist? Yes. You sure? Yeah, I am sure. Okay.

There's places in the world that... Require lumberjacks. We still use wood. This whole room is made of wood. Someone had to do that, right? Yeah, it was interwoven studios. Interwoven studios? They built a set.

Oh, okay. But they must have got it from a lumberjack. You think? Look, I don't know... I don't know if it's... Just a guy. But that's probably what you'd call a guy who... Well, right.

Have you seen Train Dreams? No, I haven't. Is he Lumberjack? Yeah, talk about a fucking lumberjack. Oh, wow. Have you seen Train Dreams? Yeah. That doesn't seem like the kind of movie I...

I saw every single Oscar nom this year. What was your first movie? It was a tiny, tiny movie called The Beat Beneath My Feet, where I played this, like, kid who, like, has an absentee father, and then a disgraced rock god who, like, faked his own death, like moves in next door and he like blackmails him into like teaching me. It like doesn't really make any sense. And he shows you the beat beneath your feet. Exactly. Yeah. It didn't do that well. But I wasn't trying to be an actor. And so it was kind of,

you weren't? No, I was, I was trying to be a rugby player. What? Yeah. I, I, I hadn't acted until I left school. Okay. So what caused the shift? Uh, I, uh, I, uh, uh, myself playing rugby so I couldn't do it anymore and then I got really anxious and depressed and then my friends at school were actors and they said why don't you come audition for a play and I did and then I got scouted and then I was like you let scout it yeah they were like a real Hollywood dream I mean it's it's look compared to like I'm sure you've had people on who are like properly trained and stuff like that like I mean I always felt a little chip on my shoulder that I didn't have that but to be honest, I kind of came to it in a much more

organic way and I think it makes my love for it kind of more, you get less jaded I think when you've kind of, you haven't had money drawn from you to like do the thing you love. Does that make sense? So because it happened to you so organically? Yeah. Because I wasn't desperate for it.

Like I think there's some of these actors like, you know, whether it's they come from like an acting family or, you know, they wanted to when they were five years old and then they did it in high school and then they went to a you know acting school or whatever and then they come out of the acting school and they've paid all this money for it and they're not getting these jobs they've committed their whole life already by the time they're like 21 to achieving this thing which you know some of it has to do with talent but a lot of it is just being in the right place at the right time and um and people just like

noticing you and so i kind of came into it being like, like, I could care less really. Like, I don't really know what I'm going to do with my life, but like, if this works out, great. And then my love for it kind of started to build and build and build. And now I like, it's kind of who I am in a lot of ways. Wow. Have you ever acted?

I have. I did my first movie in Portland this summer. Oh, no way. What was the movie? Wishful thinking. Who's that with? Lewis Pullman. My Hawk.

Haven't met her. You've never met Maya? No. She's great. I mean, looks extraordinarily like her mom. Yeah, it's crazy. It's quite crazy. She's so lovely.

I had the best time. How did you find it? I love it. Is that what you want to do? Yeah. Did you always want to do it? Yeah. But I love doing this as well, but I think I have a little more fun when, like, I don't know.

Like, why do you think you have more fun? Just playing another character? I think I, being able to like, like, when I say something stupid on here, like, I'm saying as Jake. Yeah. Do you have to bear all the embarrassment? Yeah, exactly. But if I do something as like a character.

Yeah, but I mean, that's very interesting. I feel like a big thing for me with acting is letting go of the ego around being embarrassed after, you know, taking a swing at something. Right. And it's really interesting because you had Rachel sent it on. who I love and you know she was part my I'd say my probably biggest learning experience

was on the film with her when we did Bottoms because that was first time I did a really broad comedy Oh my God you worked with Kaya Yeah and Kaya as well Oh my God I'm sure you know all those guys They're such a

Yeah they're great I've met I know like twice so lovely Yeah I mean It stands you in good stead That you don't feel as embarrassed choices as another character. Yeah.

It's a really good thing. But like I remember, you know, I read that script. And obviously like my character is kind of a small part of that movie. But I knew I like desperately really wanted to do it. And once I got it, then it was like, oh, I felt this huge responsibility to be funny, which is kind of like the worst thing in the world because, uh, well, you just force it. And then I got kind of embarrassed trying to force it. But then by the end of the job, I think just like kind of letting go.

and letting go of ego and trying things out. But the fact that you're already experiencing, that means you're kind of, you're ready for it, I guess. You think? I just, I mean, I don't know, like all the time, I have to remind myself to just, like, not care so much. I know, it's hard, though. And especially hard to do that in a,

when you make your passion, your job as well. Right. because you have to keep earning the the ability to like do the thing that you love I think that's the scary thing you because because nothing is a given as an actor and you know industry can turn around tomorrow and say

there's a younger better looking more talented version of you like we'll just cast him and said you have to keep earning and proving to people that you have the ability to have these opportunities that can go away at any instant. And when your ego comes into it, my waffling.

What is a waffle? It means chatting shit. No, no. I'm listening. When your ego comes into it as well, I mean, it's, and you keep, you know, telling yourself, oh, I'm not good enough. And, and that was really, that take was really, really shit. Like, I don't know why I did that.

It's so embarrassing. You kind of go into yourself and then, and then you can't be creative anymore. And then it's kind of a self. fulfilling prophecy in a way. Did you experience this after Red White? I mean, not... Red White was like everywhere. Do you remember?

Everywhere. When did that come out? 2021? 2022, I think maybe. It was huge, huge. I always find it hard to remember because it was... We didn't really promote it because of the... Strike?

The strike, yeah. I didn't feel that as much with Red White. white because, you know, I was cast first in the whole process and, and, sorry, not a flex, but, but as in, I felt like, oh, um, you've aren't the opportunity. And then when other people sort of kind of, you know, I tested with Taylor and, and then Uma came on board, it was kind of more, I had more time to kind of like, ground myself in the experience and be like, yes. But then, you know, just the next year then I did that

I did a movie with Anne Hathaway called The Idea of You and then I did this show called Mary and George with Julianne Moore which was this sort of period piece and so then it was like you know sharing the screen with these I mean two Oscar winners and every day you're kind of going

I see in them sort of vaguely where I want to get to like do I have enough ability to do that you're kind of in awe of what they're able to do. So you had real imposter syndrome. I mean, I still do in a lot of ways. You know, talking about he man, I mean, like, when someone says here,

you are going to play a god, the strongest man in the uniform and you have to look like this. I mean, you kind of go, like, I'm just a person. I don't really know how to embody a sort of larger than life character. But I mean, I don't know. is there any actor that you think you've come across who you're like that person is entirely confident and authentic in every moment that you have who?

Probably Timothy Shalman. Oh really? Interesting. Yeah, I feel like that's why he went so much. But do you think he spent a long time getting to that place? You think he was always that way? Have you seen the videos of him in school? Like dancing?

We're doing the rap stuff. Like, he's been so himself forever. Yeah. I think he's worked incredibly hard. I think he's incredibly talented. But I think the reason people gravitate towards him so much is because, like, he's him. But you can, I mean, sure. But also people evolve.

And so you're always you in different ways. I mean, like, you can even look in, in terms of his, like, clothing. Like, how he started a few years ago, Tarias, you know. Yeah. You can't say that necessarily one is, like, more authentic than the other. But. Yeah, no. Yeah.

I don't know. I think you're kind of just like forced to change as well. But, but that's interesting. I can definitely see. I think he was, I mean, I loved Marty Supreme and I thought also the way he promoted the movie was like, brilliant.

Entirely someone who knew who they were and what they wanted to achieve out of. Right. Well, what was smart about that was that was like the whole bit of the movie? Yeah. Did you, was that your favorite movie? What was your favorite movie of the awards? Like the favorite movie this year was Train Dreams.

Oh, really? Yeah. You know, I loved Joel Edgerton, so I really want to see it, but that was the one I haven't seen. It was really moving. What else did you like? I liked train dreams.

I liked, I liked Hamnet, which is crazy because I hate period pieces. Really? Hate. What do you hate about it? Hate, hate, hate, hate, hate. What do you hate about it?

My thing with them is I just don't know what you're saying. So like I can't. And it's like, okay, but what if it's like a period thing with like a Bridgeton, like with modern language? Oh, so you're like really. Give me a self. You're in-

Give me a cell phone Wait, but so, okay, so you won't watch something that like Robert Eggers does, for example, like Nosferatu. Now I saw Nosferatu. But he, like, famously won't, he doesn't want to shoot anything

that has a cell phone in it. Yeah, I didn't understand anything that was going on in the movie at all, ever. But you got the vibes of the movie, right? You could you enjoy it? Just like, really, no. It was like a vampire.

But Train Dreams is kind of period, isn't it? Very much so. So you're just the Noxymoron, really. Yeah, I just, I like train dreams, because I got it. I was like, okay, I understand this. And it made me cry at the end.

And I was like... Did you make you... Did you not think you were going to get it? So it made you feel quite like... No, my dad told me how much he loved it. And I was like, oh my God, well, if he likes it, then I'll probably like it. I actually just started watching Euphoria.

I knew you were, by the way, and I knew you were about to say... Because it's just all over... Yeah, I feel like I've seen every clip on TikTok. Have you seen season one? Or you just started for the first time ever? I... No, just for the first time.

Well, no, that's not true. I watched, I watched like half of season one a while ago and then just thought, oh, it's really, like, quite dark. And what happens in this high school? This is like, like no high school I've ever known. And then, and then recently just started to finish it and then started watching the second season and out the third season.

I mean, by the way, like, I always knew Zendaya was like, great, but she's like... Incredible. I'm, I was, like, really flawed by how great she is. and Sidney Sweeney as well. Season two is great. You just started season two? No, I finished it.

I'm on season three. I'm up to date. I haven't seen the recent. I haven't seen the recent one either. You know who I thought was so amazing was that the stripper that Ruth sent to rehab? Oh my God. She was so good.

She was so good. Just like wild energy. I hope they bring her back. Well. Does she die? Is that what they say? Is that what they say in the last? It's kind of what it's implied.

It's the implication is, yeah. Who implies? that. Well, the Alamo sends them to this rehab and then they get taken away to either be trafficked or murder. Yeah. I think it's traffic. Wait, wait, wait.

Wait, wait. That's the heavy implication. How is that implied? She goes there and there's no paperwork to fill out and she's like, okay, like where, like Zendaya, she's like, where are they going? Like how do you, you know, how can I get in contact? And it's just like a dark, like building. I thought it was just a shitty rehab.

No, but that's why also just. Oh my God. Yeah. Okay. Okay, so the implication is that they're being trafficked. Yes. Segway that. Huh.

I'm loving it though. I thought she was going to come back for the end of the season. No, no, no. Well, I mean, we wait to be surprised, I guess, but. Fuck, I really liked her. I think she'll work a lot from the show. It's really interesting when you can see, you know, someone in a smaller role, like, do something really special.

and you're like, oh, like, they're going to, they're going to work. You know who's the most famous example of that? Who? Charlie Sheen. Oh, really? Yes. Tell me. For those that don't know, he had one scene in Ferris Bueller's Day Off.

One scene. I'm got, I've chills thinking about it. And he was, like, late to set because he's Charlie Sheen. And he, like, shows up does this one scene, blew up? Yeah. Became Charlie Sheen. He's so charismatic. Have you seen the dock on him?

No, I need to. I need to. Is he one of your favorites, favorite actors? No. Who moves you? Who's your favorite? Like if I'm like sat for them? Yeah.

You'll go see them no matter what. What a good question. Maybe I'm interviewing you now. Oh, okay. Well, um, who are you sat for? I mean, really when I was younger, it was Robin Williams. Like everything Robin Williams did. I mean, he just had this light.

Uh-huh. It's, it's very interesting. I kind of feel, I mean, there's such weird comps, but I kind of feel like Ryan Gosling has this in a weird way of like he's someone who's incredibly funny, really charming, he can do really emotional, dramatic stuff, but he has, he has a radiance about him that really just brings people on side. Like, it's very hard. I mean, you know, you mentioned Timothy and obviously, you know, he's had the issue with the whole

the ballet opera thing, which by the way, I went to the ballet for the first time the other day. And it was amazing, I have to say, like, Baller. arenas are incredible and I had a great time but you know he's someone obviously the way social media works like everyone has a sort of if just usually if you're doing well people have a sort of split opinion on you but someone like Ryan Gosling I feel like he's very hard to like everyone loves him yeah day is kind of the same way I guess I'm always sat for Jennifer Lawrence oh she's great isn't she I'm always sat for her did you see die my love I did it was heavy I'm sat for Jennifer Lawrence

I think her comedic timing is like some of the best in the game I'm surprised she hasn't done more comedy I know I love Do you see no hard feelings Yeah Best movie ever

Do you think the Do you think that she kind of ushered In this like sense of Like relatability Because do you know Do you notice like there's a lot of these like A listers now who are like trying to be Relatable

And where it's like you know They'll have their own TikTok or whatever and it's like she kind of i remember she got really slammed for like people who thought she was trying too hard but you know who actually ushered that in first was anne hathaway do you remember that she there was like a fucking hate train on her and i never caught it because i love anne hathway and i know you've worked with her yeah but she was pretty relatable but yeah i guess jennifer lawrence really ushered in that like well i mean look they're so different. I mean, I, you know, obviously Annie and I talked about this, but that was hard. That was

very, like, strange and harsh. Like, someone winning the sort of highest award there is in the, in the industry and then people kind of really switching off. I think that reality is she's like a theatre kid, you know, she's really intelligent. She's really, um, I don't know, bright and people don't like that, I think a lot of the time. It's kind of, it was, that was kind of the same thing with Jennifer Lauren. do I think she was like she had a brightness how do you how do you navigate it do you see

people that you interview like consistently try and navigate it as well like how much of themselves to share whilst also kind of because it's kind of a poison chalice kind of there's certain people that will come on and be more reserved

yeah but look and I don't mean like from you like you're putting this expectation on them. I mean, sort of the, the world at large is sort of putting this expectation on them. And it's, you know, we're all on our journey to sort of be, you know, find our sort of most authentic self, but I think it's really hard to do. I've struggled with it recently. Like, I think about what I say more. And I used to just, like, kind of rip it and, like, say whatever I wanted and, like, be myself and cut you off and do whatever. And like, but now that people are, like, you still cut people off. Well, yeah.

Yes. But if you think this is bad, go like, you have no idea how bad I used to be. It's like, it's, it's, it's, um, well, it's just very, I think it's interesting for you because, you know, your, I say your journey is kind of much more uncharted, this sort of, what were you doing before? Were you doing like social media before? I was working at a record label. Oh, wow.

Okay. For this guy named Zach. Okay. Zach is now my manager. Okay. So it's like, it very much all. stayed in the family. Did you go from feeling just like a regular sort of person to, oh, now I have to like

put out this version of myself. I have to sort of put out of. Yeah, I think I felt that way starting when I started doing tour. Oh, you've taught. I toured this. And that's when I was like, oh, people are paying to see me put on a show right now. You can't like, there's not like, like, like this used to be on YouTube. It's not on YouTube anymore.

It's on Netflix. But when it was on YouTube, it was like, I felt like I could kind of say and do whatever I wanted and be whatever mood I wanted to be in because people were clicking on that on their own free volition. But when they bought tickets to a show and they like paid money, I was like, oh, there, I have to put on a good show. Like, I can't have someone leave here being like I wasn't entertained.

But did you still feel like it was you? Yeah. You weren't put in on. I was able to, I learned how to make it me. Okay. I'll never forget it. I was about to go on stage in, I think it was. was he was Vancouver.

Was it Toronto or Vancouver? Which was the first Canada we went to? Toronto. It was Toronto. I was so hungover. Like, so hungover. I'd never been hungover for a show before because I wasn't drinking. I was so hungover because we had New York the night before.

And I just, like, really leaned into the fact that I was hung over, and it worked really well and was one of my best shows. And I was like, oh. So, like. Well, we were talking about relatability. Yeah, it's hard. It's like, it's hard because people will be like, oh, you're. you're so relatable, you're so authentic. And then they'll want you to market it.

And it's like you can't market that. Yeah. That doesn't, that's not how that works. Yeah, and it's also like kind of a pressure. And then they'll want you to market it. And then you'll do something that is relatable and authentic.

And they'll be like, well, no, you can't do that. Do you, do you think actors can be relatable at a certain level? Yeah, but the audience doesn't let them. Really? You're not allowed to be.

Because everything you guys, I say and do is dissected on a level that a lot of other public figures are not. Everything. It's really interesting. I was, I was, I have a show in development and we were talking about that, how I wanted to be in like the acting world and this and they're like, it's so funny. You say that because you're in a world right now where you can get away with saying a lot more and you want to be kind of like muzzled. And I don't think you're going to like feeling muzzled. Do you ever feel maddo? Truthfully, I'm quite a

I'm quite a candid person like I think I wear my heart in my sleeve and I I really have a I feel very compelled to be honest I think definitely that I do think that there are things

no matter what I say you know people will disagree with. We kind of have lost the like a little bit of, I'm interested in nuance. Maybe that's the kind of the Libra thing. I don't know.

And I just, I think that's the thing that I really struggle with is I want to have like really honest conversations. I wouldn't say if you're muzzled at all. I kind of choose to like not share a lot of myself. And I think that that's not really like a, it was kind of self-musling in a way. But I, I'm also just like, you know,

when I asked you like, you know, can actors really be relatable? I mean, like, do people really want to hear, like, what actors have to say for themselves? I do, because actors are, like, kind of the face of pop culture, in a sense, actors and singers. And pop culture can be used as, like, a gateway, I feel like, for a lot of people to comment on, like, socioeconomic issues without having to talk about politics. They can just kind of use the actors and the singers as like the front facing men. Oh my God.

I am so smart. I'm like freaking. Are you hearing me right now? I was in awe. Are you hearing me right now? No, I'm literally talking at every word. I'm like thinking really hard about the next word.

But don't you agree though that like people are like, everyone's freaking out about Timothy Shalame and the ballet thing. But it's like, is that really what you're mad about? Do you think people just? need to be mad at something in general? Sometimes, but I think, like, this country is, like, in such a shithole of shitholes

that, like, people are... Yes, people do want to be angry about something, but, like, people are more angry than usual. Yeah. I think is just what it is. Yeah. Like, gas so high. Would you move?

No, you wouldn't. I didn't take it to a sort of existential place too much. I can do that sometimes. Okay. But you know what I do have to ask you. Yeah. What are you therapist about today?

I actually really don't feel like I'm therapy. I feel very. What are you therapist about? Can I ask that? Yeah. Maybe you're thorough. I went to go make myself a bowl of cereal and all my spoons were in the dishwasher and I didn't have any plastic spoons.

So that was annoying. Then I woke up really fucking tired. Yeah. Like we're tired than usual tired. And I slept last night, full night. sleep. How many hours did you get? Eight and a half.

Fuck. I went to the gym. Okay, now I'm therapist that you got eight and a half and I got like five. Went to the gym, still tired, got back from the gym, slept for 20 minutes, woke up, still tired, uncomfortable, actually. Then I had lunch and then I immediately felt sick, immediately felt sick, immediately felt like, oh, that was gross because it was gross. Because I have like a hyperfixation meal every now and then.

Oh, what are you eating right now? Right now. now I'm obsessed with getting the awake smoothie from creation and avocado toast with cherry tomatoes and locks. And you've just been smashing that every single day. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I finally got sick of it today because they forgot my hot sauce. And so I had to use a different hot sauce and it was just, so I was really angry about that.

I've been angry about this fucking cold that I've had. Okay, I'm therapist because I did this like really intense movie and was completely healthy for all of it and literally the day before I came here to do like the biggest press tour of my career I like started feeling well duh because your body was running on

like adrenaline a 10 yeah and then you had one brief moment where you were like and then your body was like okay great but I tried I tried to tell myself I was like this is how it is how it has to be I shouldn't do that well no your body

like your mind yeah but now what I do because I've got this premiere later. Yeah, I'm a little under the weather. But you don't sound it. Well, I am. You want the honest answer of what to do? Yeah. A steroid shot.

Steroids? When's the premiere? Like in three hours? Yeah, you need a steroid shot ASAP. Oh my God, what are you talking about? You need one like literally right after this. I thought you couldn't do it like so soon after. Wait, what is a steroid shot?

It just like, it reduces the inflammation across your body. so like so like when I was really sick my sinuses hurt so my teeth hurt because my sinuses hurt and everything hurt and so the steroid basically de-inflammizes you are you saying that you think i look quite inflamed no but you're telling me you feel sick i'm like great you should get a steroid shot so why is it so hot in here like i told by the way and i told you that like i feel inflamed in my yes i know and sometimes i start talking in this room and it gets so hot that my ear clogs up Wait, you just said two things in the last minute that I've never heard. First of all, your teeth hurting.

Because of your sinuses? I've never heard of that before. You've never heard of that before? No. That's very normal, mind you. You what? You guys are out of your mind. Your teeth have never hurt because your sinuses hurt.

Your sinuses are right here. Yeah, but you do. So then if they're really inflamed and they're, and they're putting pressure and they're in. Yeah. Like the science. I've never felt like, I've never felt like the smart person in a room before. When your sinuses are inflamed.

everything else when gets pushed and inflamed. So your top teeth. Yeah, but your teeth, like, what do you say? It goes through your gums. Everything is connected. It's the lymphs. Okay. You should get a lymphatic.

If I had time, I would. Okay, but you don't, so you need a steroid shot. Okay. I'm having a really fun time with you. Oh, I'm glad. I mean, too. But you know what I can't stop thinking about? What?

Are you going to have me to your close friends? Yeah, but we got to follow each other first. I know, you know, we don't even follow each other. No. I was thinking about it beforehand, but then I thought I could, come here and then and you could have been a terrible person and then I wouldn't have wanted and then I would have made the commitment too early you know okay so have you ever followed someone like too quickly and then got to know them and be like uh

really I'll just unfollow them or I'll just like keep I'll just scroll have you people are like this is the fucking thing just scroll just scroll yeah but it means something a follow means something no it doesn't just scroll How many people do you follow? A thousand eight hundred. There you go. It's nothing to you. It's just like, just scroll if you don't like it.

Does it really need to derail your day that much? No, but... How many people do you follow? I think like 300. Oh. Yeah. Oh, follow me. You guys know I am Poppy's number one fan,

and I have been Poppy's number one fan. But what I love about Poppy's number one fan. But what I love about Poppy is their ability to tap into current cultural moments and make a culinary moment out of that, which is actually very hard to do. And they've done it once again with the Love Island themed Punch Pop, which is one of my favorite flavors I've ever had. I love like anything like berry fruity. Like you know I die for that. And you know I just showed Nile Poppy and he loved it. It's crazy that he's never had it before.

I love Poppy more than anything. and honestly, maybe I should just have a little sip with you guys right here. Soda's back, but so much better. Only five grams of sugar. Poppy, I love you. You know what? I just had a really good idea. To promote this episode, what if I came over to your house?

Okay. Where do you think I'm going with this? I really don't know. but I'm liking what's the one and give me a and give me a steroid shot. No, and we whittle wood together. Yeah.

Should we do it? We could do that. Would you be down? I mean 100%. So where do you whittle what? In London. When's the next time you're going to be in London? Right after this.

Okay, no I'm thinking. So you're going to be in London right after this. So will you be in London in the beginning of June? Yeah. You want to come whittle? I will come Whittlewood. I will be in London. I can be,

I can be in, I don't even fucking play with me, don't even give me that look. I can be in London, June 9th. Will you be in London, June 9th? Yes. Do you want a Whittlewood on June 9th? Wait, so you, that's my one day? Well, like, you're not going to give me like a time frame.

I have to be back for Cassidy's birthday on the 13th. Okay, I'm doing, I'm in New York for a few days working with, um, Ben Stiller for my next movie. So I don't know if, uh, yeah. That's right, guys. You know, he went to my high school. Did he?

Yeah. He's kind of an icon. Talk about icon. Severance is the best show ever made. I mean, but that also, the fact that you, that's interesting. Like I said Mancern, you think, Severance. Well, that's current. What do you think when you think?

Well, I think like Zulander. I only like girly humor. Like, I like girl humor. Like, I like clueless. I like mean girls. I like bridesmaids. I like train wreck. Like, I like, I like insecure.

I like girls. I like. Like, I like Broad City. What if, like, Will Ferrell was like, Jake, there's this great part for you in this, like, boy-ish kind of, like, buddy comedy. You'd do it. I would take it, and I would bring my, my own humor. I wouldn't try to, like...

Which is, you think, inherently, like, feminine? Is that what you're saying? Yeah, it's definitely more flamboyant. All my best friends were girls. My mom always had girl, like, her friends around. Like, I was, like, raised by, like, women in comedy. Like, Maya Rudolph, Kristen Wick. Not that they were around in my house, but like, that's what I watched.

That's your moms. Yeah, yeah. That's who I watched. I grew up watching Kristen Wig, my Rudolph, Chelsea Handler, Amy Schumer, Joan Rivers, like, that's my humor. Yeah. That's like, I know what you mean. Yeah. I know what you mean.

Like the, like, I just like the boy humor, like I can't, it doesn't work for me. And I don't mean to sound like whatever, but like I've never seen the hangover. Do you feel it's unsophisticated? No, I don't. It just doesn't do it for me. I don't laugh. Yeah. But I've also never given it a chance.

And I think maybe that's because I felt rejected as a child. Have you, this isn't like a plug for myself, but did you see bottoms? Yeah, of course. Would you say that that was, would you say that humor had a femininity to it? I think it had a really good mix of both. That's what I think too. I think it had, and I think that's why it hit so hard. It's really, God, they're so brilliant.

Yeah, so brilliant. Rachel's so brilliant. I was so brilliant. Did you work with Kaya at all? Yeah. I mean, and Kaya, by the way. way like I mean first of all she's so smart smartest person in the room she she like really like I feel like that was a really I don't know if she'd done anything before that I think she did American

horror story before that oh yeah yeah yeah yeah you're right but that's a very different like so dry like dry comedy as well draw that that is my favorite comedy yeah yeah Okay, you want to do, tell me what's wrongs. Yeah, what's this? Tell me this one of those. By the way, you're going to get a steroid shot after this. I'm so excited. I think my body just like spruced up thinking about it.

What do I do if my friend is the problem in his relationship? Nothing. I just moved in with my friend who complains about his boyfriend, not doing anything, not doing what he wants and not giving him attention. But when I witnessed them conversing, my friend is so dismissive and mean to his boyfriend. I'm not going to. any involved, but I can't defend him, my friend, when he complains because he is the problem. Well, my mom always said, you don't get involved in anyone else's relationship ever.

Yeah. But you should tell your friend. But also, like, your friends are an extension of you in some ways. And if you start to, like, curate an environment where you're all kind of, like, if they're doing something kind of a little toxic, that could kind of come back onto you, do you think? If I was this person. Yeah. What would I, what would you do?

I would, um, I would say. to my friend, you are the problem. Like my best friend Julia, like when she's in her relationship, I'm like, you, this is a you problem. like you are behaving wrongly. Like, why can't you just say to your friend like, this is your fault? That's not your real friend then. Hi, Jake.

And Nicholas Galitzine. Oh, these people have written these into you. Yeah. Oh, okay. I see. I see. Hi, Jake. I'm a senior in college and I'm graduating soon.

I'm feeling like I didn't do enough during these years and I'm not ready to let go of this period of my life. Everything is about to change and I feel like I didn't let loose enough the past four years. Help. I want to feel better about this. this. You can still party after college. Yeah, but also what would they, what would they expecting to get out of college?

Was it, was it really that they just want to go out more? Mm-hmm. That's what it sounds like. Do you, how old are you? 24? 26. Okay. And you still go out?

All the time. Okay. All the time. Have the best time my life. Dance the night away. I have more fun going out post-crow than I did in college. I would say, you went to college. Yeah.

I did. And you'll never guess which one. USC. I was going to say USC. Go Trojans, huh? What was the alternative? Working in music. Okay, but then how did you...

Because working in music is a lot about, like, networking, right? So, like, I wanted to be an A&R. Basically, it's, like, finding new artists. And that requires a lot of, like, going into rooms and, like, mingling and networking and, like finding, and I've, I've been told I have a good ear. Well, did you find anyone? No, because I did this. Oh, okay.

So right before I started on my A&R journey, this happened. Well, okay, so, but do you ever listen to someone who's not very known and then, like, you put people onto them and then they, like, blow up? No, I would say I do that more with television. Okay. Like, I would, I would really hyperfix it. I can really put people onto TV. Like, what kind of shows?

Can you put me on to it? But there, I mean, have you seen industry? it's my fucking favorite show what i think that show is i did you ever see skins so i couldn't get through it when i was a kid i mean like because it really bugged me out when the cast whose parents uh who's the who's the who's the

nick holt no no no no no no no who's the one who's like really trouble effie when her parents were like fucking in front of her it really bugged me out and i had to turn it off yeah but that's like euphoria basically yeah but i was too young like i think euphoria took so much from skins. It did. But I think industry is kind of like unofficial sequel to skins.

You love industry? I didn't know that about you. I think it's brilliant. I think the first season, first of all, I think Marissa is kind of like genius. She is.

She's just so, she has like a emotionality to her and hardness and I think also that character is so well written. But that first season, is all about these like people trying to find themselves okay so the season finale of season three is the best episode of television ever

i mean that like them looking at each other across the table uh i need a song yeah i need an edit of rob and yasman to um are you thinking of she was in texas oh no because she she chose kid harrington which again you're talking about seeing things on TikTok, she's regretting now in the new season, right? Yaz doesn't know who she is. No, and she was, and also she wasn't just choosing him. She was choosing... The life.

The life, yeah. And she can't live without the life. She cannot live without the life. She does not know a life other than that. So I don't think she regrets it at all. I think she's just annoyed. You have to watch the new season. It's actually unbelievable.

Season 4, episode 2, Emmy calling their motherfucking names calling their names my roommate is rude and insane and she uses her OCD and depression to play herself as the victim 24-7 she tries to tell me who I can and can't hang out with and to top it off she comments on my weight and health

I need to confront her but she never listens and just slips on us why would she comment on your weight and health this has nothing to do with that but talking about bad roommates so you know I said to you when I first came to L.A. You had seven roommates. Yeah, and I was living on the couch. In this, they ran an app out of this house.

And one day, they ran an app out of this house. Oh, okay. They all worked for this app. I think of a new state apartment. Oh, yeah, that's kind of cool. Just like kind of like app. Yeah, I thought that was pretty cool. Okay, I might be running an app.

Okay, so, so, so this always reminds me of that. Did you watch the O.C. Oh, come on. I guess I'm not Christina Aguilier and Berlis. You're not. So these German guys come and they're the new roommates who are coming in and there's this one guy who I like to think I'm quite perceptive of people and I got a really bad vibe of him.

And I told my best friend, do you know this at the Lox Club? You heard of it? Yes, I've heard of it. Do you know Austin Kevich? Yes, very well. He's my best friend. What? So he, he, I have.

Austin Kavich is your best friend. I kind of have a career. Yes, of course. I kind of have a career because of Austin, because when I had no money and I would just book to come out to L.A., he let me stand his couch. Oh, that's awesome.

Austin's the man. Oh, he's the best. Are you too-ish? No. Okay. I just surround myself with juice. With juice, I think. Yeah.

I told him, I was like, Austin, this guy, there's something seriously wrong with him. Cut to a couple years later, after COVID, have you heard of Yeah. The whole thing is a complete scam. How is it a scam? They're fake COVID tests.

What? They would fake. I literally, we heard him on the phone. Basically putting this whole thing together. I don't know if you're going to include this. There's an FBI case against him. Is it public knowledge that there's a case against him? I don't know.

I don't know. There should be. We're making a documentary. You are? Well, Austin is mainly, yeah. Oh, so you're on the production side of things a little bit, huh? Yeah, I've started producing most of my own stuff. Really? Yeah.

Good for you. Can you cast me? I'm trying to think what you'd be, what you'd be right for. I'll do anything. Like Christine Aguilera and Perlask. I know any number. There's a movie I'm doing, which is, uh, do you know who Gus Van Sant is? Mm-hmm. Have you seen my own private Idaho?

He also directed Goodwill Hunting, this guy. Oh. Which you also haven't seen Is that the one where I can always tell by people's reaction With they're pretending that they've seen Is that the one where I'm gonna go see about a girl? Oh, I don't remember that line.

What? How about them apples? Is that from Goodwill Hunting? Yeah. That's where that saying is from. Goodwill Hunting. Yeah. How about them apples is from Goodwill Hunting?

Yeah. Matt Damon. Yeah. Anyway. Wow. This is a film about one of the first male like supermodels in the 90s. and how he lived this like double life being in, you know, Studio 54,

you love going out and dancing and stuff with like Naomi Campbell, Cindy Crawford. And then he lived this double life because he was also in a doomsday cult that was siphoning all of his money. I love cults. I love cults too. I love him so much. And this is the movie that you're currently casting for? Well, we're still writing the script.

But who knows? Maybe you could be the cult leader. Yep. I can see it. Okay. Yeah. I can definitely see it. Jake, wait, so wait, you said you like Colts?

Oh, I love Colts. What's your favorite cult? I mean, it's kind of like basic, mainstream to say Scientology, but they're just here. They're here like everywhere. Yeah. And it's so interesting. They're hiding in plain sight. The Freemasons, they're interesting.

I don't think that's real. I think it is, isn't it? Oh, yeah, in history. I just love, oh, the one from Wild Wild, Country. Oh, the best. Oh, the best. Well, not the best. But, like, you know what I mean.

Love it. Jake. How have you become so comfortable and confident online? Social media seems like such a scary place, but I want to start posting. I live in a very small town, so it's not like there are influencers here at LMAO. Any advice for a small town girly wanting to be confident and interesting online? You just got press post. Oh, you think.

That's what I do. Don't think about it. Today I literally posted that I'm tired and I just, that's all I did. And people love that about you because you're sharing a part of your life. And then I'll tell you the only reason I posted it is because I want tension. Yeah, but that's kind of the reason why anyone posts anything, right? And people want that nowadays. People don't want you to be on like the cover of a magazine, right?

But I want to be on the cover of a magazine. Wow. Wait, wait, wait, can I just say? You are so online. Kind of only recently. Maybe I am online. I've been trying to curate this mysterious persona, but I just kind of showed my hand. I also think kind of trying to curate a sense of.

of mystery in real life just means you're kind of like a douchebag. Mm-hmm. Because you're just like that requires effort and maintenance. You Instagram dump? Yeah. Yeah, I do. But to a point, like there's a lot I don't show. Like, what would you show on your average dump?

Like I talk about this all the time. Do you really? My clothes. Oh, are you a big fashionista? I'm like... What's your favorite brand? Dior. Before Jonathan Anderson or?

No. Okay. So what did you like Luevae before then? Did you follow him? But I love his, I love his, I love his personal brand. JWA.

I prefer it. I die for JWA. My favorite Jackal ever own is from JWA. I, I think that's interesting. I used to be the same way when it comes to branding. But is that because

do you think it's trying to is it the validation thing again? Yeah. Yeah. It's like, oh, if I'm wearing this,

like, I'm cool. Because I, I never had like nice stuff like that. Neither did I. When I was younger. And it was, I went through a phase where I was like,

you know, I had sort of, you know, like the prada loafers and stuff like that. And now I kind of like, I've kind of gone off of that because... You're confident. I don't know.

You kind of want to let the clothes. I mean, look, what I will say is that you can buy a Henley from, you know, the gap that looks great. But then if you go, somewhere like acne where it's like 10 times the cost you still end up buying that.

Nicholas, you were very tapped into pop culture in a way that I did not think you were. Really? Well, I think because I worked with like Fendi for a few years, I just think there's something really like magical about it. I don't know. And just fun and expression and clothes give you, like there's no point in buying like really nice, beautiful clothes. We don't need them in any way.

Right. But like it makes you feel so good when you find like an amazing jacket or whatever. Yeah, there's no better feeling. What do you think about the Met? I love it. Do you like the sort of... But it makes me feel incredibly insecure. Oh, why?

Because I haven't been. So like, I feel... I'd say that's coming, right? No way. What? You really think so? Yeah. Really?

It's all about what is in like the zeitgeist, right? And you're in the zeitgeist. So I'd say so. It's, but it's also just who, you know, who, who is going to dress you. You know, for example, like I, I, I, have you been to the mat? Yeah, I went a couple years ago. I've been, I've been, uh, working the last couple years, but, um, would you go with? Fendi.

Well, I, really kind of surreal, uh, sentence to say, but I, Fendi dressed me because I used to have a contract with them. But Tom Ford got my number through Julianne Moore and asked me, which is like really insane. And I asked me to sit next to him on his table. Shut up. Yeah. He went with Fendi and was like, bye.

Yeah. No, you didn't. Did you actually do that? They didn't have like a table. Oh, okay. They just dressed you. Yeah, they just dressed me. Got it.

Got it. But, um, oh my God. Like, what an interesting place. Yeah. I mean, it's, I met her once. She's nice So nice I really

She'd also seen my The idea of you had just come out And she had seen it And she'd seen it And she'd seen it And she loves Anne Hathaway down Oh yeah She does

You know she has these people Kind of like in Devil Wors' Pride Who kind of go Oh so and so Is she really? Yeah yeah And I was walking up These long stairs

Like by myself Kind of like terror Does she greet everyone? Well so at the top You know It's her and it was Bad Bunny and Chris Hemsworth and J-Lo grew the chairs, you know, of the year that I went. And the person, you know, her handler, whatever was like coming, because I was like, there's no fucking way she's going to have any idea who I am.

But she like, shewed her away and was like, I saw the idea of you a couple days ago. I love it, me and my girls saw it. And I was kind of like expecting a version of Merrill. Yeah. Was she nice to you as well? Lovely. Yeah. These are very interesting people.

You know, like, why would you not want to, like, be in their presence and, like, you know, absorb their knowledge and everything like that. But he said, this is Jake. He's very funny. And she said, you look funny. Which could mean. It didn't matter what I meant. I ran outside and told all my friends. I was like, I just, my aunt and went to her.

It was the sickest moment of my life. Wow. Yeah. Did you after party? Not really, no. You don't strike me as a big party guy. Not for a long time. I don't drink anymore.

You're sober? Yeah. Since COVID. Oh, wow, good for you. Yeah. It's not like. Congratulations. It's not like that.

It's just like, you were like, I'm over it. Yeah. I was like drinking a lot in code and I was like, couldn't be. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm kind of better. Drinking makes me feel like shit. My vice is weed.

Really? Really bad. Weed's kind of like done now. I know, but like. It's not cool anymore. Okay, well. I guess. I guess.

get it, but like, I, it makes me feel things that, by the way, and I think in 10 years it'll come out, like there's alcoholics, like they're, like stoner, like the word stoner will be used in the same in the same breath as alcoholism. I really do think so. I think it's like people are like, oh, no, like, it's very addictive. I'm very addicted. Yeah, like you have to smoke it to sleep. No, no. I don't know why. It's just, it's like, it's an addiction. Like, I'm addicted. Like, I, I, like, like, everything about it makes everything better. I just hate it for 10 minutes and then my whole body starts to ache. Do you get anxious?

What do you think? Okay. Okay. Yeah, me too. Do I read anxious? Uh, no. You're lying. You don't think I read anxious?

I think you read, um, I think you, okay, maybe a bit, but I think you, Okay, maybe a bit, but I think it's quite good And I think it lets you do what you do Because do you do you do not like awkward silences I hate it. Okay, me too. And you feel like you have to fill it with conversation Which means like it's perfect for what you do, right?

Would you like come back on the show? I would be, I would be on it. I just, it's your delivery But maybe this is why you're good at comedy. I don't believe you. You think? Have I made you laugh? You have.

You have. Are you excited for your steroid shot? I'm, oh my God, I am so excited. Will you text me how it is? I'll text you. I will put, you know what I'll do? I'll put, I'll put it on my close friends. A thank you to you, which you will be a part of.

Okay, but first I have to get your number in order to do that and then we'll follow each other. Oh my, we're like properly like being friends now. But we're not woodedling what even though I really want to. We'll find a time. We'll find a time. We'll find a time. We'll find a time. Nicholas, what did we learn today?

Uh, we learned that you're very intelligent. A little. Yeah. We learned that you are. You are online. Yeah. We learned that I'm, I'm,

I'm, I think I learned that I'm more online than I thought I was as well. Mm-hmm. Or you think it's just an act. I, you are so online, come on.

I mean, you had some deep cuts. Wait, wait, what were my deep cuts? Like, if I say to you right now, who's your friend?

Where's that from? Oh, I don't know that. Okay. Okay. What is that? What if I said to you, I was supposed to be in the video.

Oh shit, no, I see I don't know this kind of Okay, go on, what was that? You know, you've never seen, who's your friend? No. Yeah, I say you're gonna be me up. Oh, oh, oh. See, I can't help it because I know. Who?

It's Madison beer, isn't it? Yes, you're so, that is the biggest deep cut of all time. I see you're gonna beat me up on Twitter all the time. Who's your friend? Is that even a deep cut anymore, though? Nicholas, for you, you are a 31-year-old British man. So true. Oh my God, I have no right to know that.

How do you know who's your friend? It's so iconic, isn't it? And who is she talking about in the Who's Your Friend video? It's the guy, it's the fan who's been talking shit about her. On Twitter, yeah. Fuck, okay, I am. That's what we learned. You are so online.

You see all. Just like, you know, a god, which you play in your new movie, matches of the universe, which is out now. I ate that little bit. That was amazing. Okay, do you know about Debbie Ryan? I spoke to the CEO of Disney. Is that David?

Yeah, okay. Okay, guys, but like, look, you know, you know that if you, if you spend like an hour, like just watching on TikTok, like the, like the great, like, you can consume all that. I promise you, I'm not. What about, I got a little bit of blue going on. Who's that? Oh, crap. Okay, I feel like I do know that.

For the Teen Vogue Party. I got a little blue going on. It's not Katie Perry, is it? No. Who's that? Sleena Gomez. Oh, and you know who's your friend?

No, but that's so, because now I think I've seen a lot of people like, like do it over and over again. Like they've, what's your friend? Yeah. Actually,

my favorite video of all time. It's very good. It's very, very good. Well, Nicholas. Thank you, Jake. Thanks for how, the airworthy. You're so welcome.

You're so welcome. Thanks for being on the show. I've basically interviewed him for this. Do people usually ask you this much question? Okay, okay. This is how it should be. Conversation, right? That's what I thought.

And look, you're happy and you had a good time and you're going to have a steroid shot. I know. Okay, wait, wait. Before you leave. Goodbye, pussies.