Therapuss with Jake Shane - Session 126: Bowen Yang

Episode Date: June 11, 2026

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intro in a while, so I'm going to give you a few. For those that don't know, my wrist has been flaring up. Like, well, flaring up. This is like the first time it's ever happened. So my wrist hurts. And I have tendinitis. It's not like that deep. It's just like it's fixable. Like a lot of pregnant women get it. Like I've been super hyper fixated on it. Like every night I go to bed and I like Google photos of like tendonitis and like what it looks like because it's like an inflamed tendentine. that's like going over a muscle. It's like so inflamed. So my wrist sometimes just like really, really, really hurts

and get super swollen. And I was super stressed out about it because I was going to Monaco for the Grand Prix with Allo this weekend. It was like, literally the best weekend of my life. Like I really don't think I've ever had so much fun. But yeah, so I wore my brace on night one. And then on night,

two, I think I took off the brace. And at that point, the brace just started coming off. It's dequeer veins tendonitis. I'm just fascinated by it. Like, I can't stop thinking about, like, and so sometimes, like, my wrist will crack. Hurts. But I had the best weekend in my life.

Like, every night was fun because of Alex Stoss and Stella. And Stoss made a vlog of the whole weekend, and I'm just, like, literally sitting here being, like, I need to watch it so I can laugh again. because I seriously, like, I was crying laughing. I did have a thought today. Basically, like, there was a bee that was on me and someone, and I was like, they were like, oh no, no, no, no, no.

The bee won't sting you if you don't move. Think of yourself like a flower. Bees don't sting flowers. And then I said, bees are like cowboys because cowboys always find a greener pasture, Carter faith song. It's the definition of like treat others the way you want to be treated but with bees. And I just literally thought I was like oh my god that was such a good thought. Tonight we have Bowen Yang on who I think is just one of the funniest, kindest, most talented human beings on planet earth. I love the last Coltrace's Culture Awards, which are airing June 17th on Peacock. Oh my back.

Okay, you know what? I think I just need to lay down. So basically, the Lost Culture Estes Culture Awards are airing on June 17th on Peacock. And last year, Louise and I went, and like, it was legitimately the best night of my life, I think.

Oh my God, we were crying laughing. And like, to be able, and I felt so lucky to see it in person. And I just, I was so funny last year. So I'm so excited to see how funny it was this year. Oh, Peacock. Love. Real Housewives of Rhode Island.

Love. Probably one of my favorite shows. on television right now. Oh, I'm watching a lot of TV. I'm watching Widows Bay. I'm watching Real Housewives of Rhode Island. Oh, oh, I'm going to start the F1 show because I just saw F1. I guess that's all I have to share. Okay, enjoy the episode with Bowen. I love you, Pussies. God, I love you. I love you so much. Can I tell you something? I just, I think such fond thoughts every time. Well, I'm your daughter. You're my daughter. My daughter, sorry.

My daughter. Dordor. And I just congratulated you on this new venture. Oh, my conscious venture. Please spell it for me. K-A-T-J-E-S. Did I sound so stupid when I said conscious? No, it's not your brand.

Sure. Yet. Yet. What if I just went in there and I went, no, I think I'd be better. Took it. No, I wouldn't. I wouldn't dare. Were you, were you, um, protective, possessive growing?

up. What is that? What is that? Are you now? I'm just saying, were you like very like, this is mine? Because if I were to come out from under and steal that title from you, you would. Well, yeah. But like, but I think I, would you label me as that type of kid that'd be like mine? I think I was a good shareer.

I'm sure you were. I think I was a good shareer. I don't like sharing the spotlight. That's right. That's totally fair because it's not meant to be on more than one person. That's why there's a spotlight. You're telling the audience where to fucking look, and it can't be more than one place. You're right.

That's it. How are you? We both have excruciating back pain. Mine feels it's had better. Good. But it was really, really bad for a minute. Yeah. It was, there was a knot between my shoulder and my, like, rib.

And, like... It's not the back. It was, like, right here. Oh, okay. It was, like, a dick. And I think I massaged it out. Oh, good for you. Yeah.

But I also got it cracked three times. Yeah, you did. How is life post-S-N-L? Weird? Yeah. I feel like I'm chopped, clapped, I'm done in this town. What? Yeah.

But it was, you wanted, you were ready. Oh, of course. But I, no, I just, I'm constantly, um, readjusting. I think I'll be in that mode for a while and that's fine. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's like, well, what were you like the fall after graduating high school? I was very, actually, I felt.

It's okay if you were, if it was great. I was a mix of both. Yeah. I was a mix of like, I feel chopped, but also like I feel like I had this amazing job that I was like so obsessed with. Can I, can I say, I think you're Rai, profile still says you're like. Yep. And global marketing coordinator at 10K projects.

So what is, so, and is that a little conversation starter? No, I just didn't know. Okay, so actually, it's so funny you bring that up. Okay, great. Because at dinner last night, I was with these girls and they were like, you know you don't need to have a job on there. Because I didn't know what to put like personality. I thought if I put, hell on earth to think about that.

I thought if I put like comedian, people would be like, you're not. Right. What does your say? Uh, I don't think. I have, I don't think I have a title because I, because I somehow knew I, you just sit backspace, back space, back space, back space. Yeah, so I don't, I don't have a title. You wait, you know, you know what I saw?

Some gay guy on Reels. Oh, listen to that sentence. Some gay guy on Reels was like, the new dating app is part of full. In what world? You zero in on someone you see going to an event that you're going to. You'll go, I'll meet that, I'll see that person there. You call your target. before you go to the event.

Oh, okay, that's how interesting. Part of a culture, though, it means that, like, people don't necessarily show up. Right. Because I certainly don't show up to 95% of my Partiful stuff. I love getting a Partifle. But can I say, though, Partifle does not touch a Facebook party invite.

Do those still happen? No, and when they did. No, you're right. We didn't know how good we had it. When, no, I knew. Because I didn't get invited to them for a while, and then when I started getting invited to, like, Facebook parties, like, do you remember the rush?

And you would like, they would be a bio for it and everyone would comment and like Facebook was where it was at. You're right. Facebook was fucking awesome. Bring it back. I miss it every day. I miss Facebook every day. But because you feel a certain sort of malaise around the other platforms probably. You're like, God, this is like.

Facebook was just awesome because like I loved uploading an album. Yes. Oh my God. Facebook was like the perfect app. You're right. It was perfect. Absolutely. Did you, were you of the time when you would have to USB stick in your digital camera?

No. Okay. God bless. That was actually, I actually maybe feel like we're going to return to that. And also, it was a nice time. It was a nice time when you had to like really select your photos to then share it with the world. Unlike now when you like open up your camera one, it's like 75,000 images. What that hell is?

Oh, well, you favorite? No. I love an Instagram. I'm dumb. That's what I'm really into these days. You have mastered the art. Shut up. You have. Have you noticed?

Yes. My last one, everyone was like, is really good. What do you think are like the hallmarks, the trademarks of a Jake Shane. Like, here's who I'm, here are my friends. Here are the places I've been. Here's my body. Here's my body. And these are the clothes I'm wearing.

Okay. So it's all about appearance. No, no, no. Of course. And I mean, at this point, like, we're all hip to it. Right. Okay, so you're saying appearance. No, no, no, sorry.

Body, friends, shopping. And what was the other one? Here, the places I've been. Yeah, the places I've been. It's like, oh, like, my latest, I was, like, in L.A. and New York. So I was like, and I made the caption April into May. Yes. And then my song was Need for Speed because it's amazing.

Have you been listening? Can Petrus Need for Speed? Yeah. I love it. It's amazing. It's amazing. I'm so happy for you. How are you feeling about it?

about the summer coming up? I forget that it's happening. Mm-hmm. Um, I think I'm excited. I think I'm excited. I'm excited. Well, I just, you can never bet on anything too hard. You know what I mean?

You can't bet on like, I'm gonna have an amazing. I cannot confidently say it's gonna be an amazing summer. Do you have plans? Not really. Fire Island? Yeah, one week in July. I'm going to see Ari at Barclays. We're going to go together?

Really? Yes! Are you, you're my daughter! I'm bringing my gift to Arir. I would love to go with you at Arir at Barclays. Yes, please. Oh, I'm so excited. I would love that.

When is it? July. No, what are you doing? I'm in Greece. But I'm so sad that you can't come to Ari with me. I know. I'm kind of actually now a little stressed. That's when those dates are.

When is L.A.? Opening, she's opening in Oakland. Yeah, we're planning on going to Oakland. Yeah, like, how are you feeling about... Petal? Pedal sort of overlapping into this live experience. Well, because by the time she starts, the album will not be out. She probably performs some songs.

And then... I know nothing, by the way. Honest to God, I know nothing. And I believe you. Yes. I love it because it's so, like, ultimate pop diva, I can do whatever I want. Totally. I can start the tour.

I'm releasing an album in the middle of the tour and do whatever the fuck I want. It's very like... Taylor? Well, it's very Taylor. It's very Sabrina, too. Like, Sabrina doing like Memphis around in the middle of short and sweet. Mm-hmm. And then kind of, I think she's about to announce something new, perhaps.

I don't know. Is she? That's the, that's the scuttle butt. That's the scuttlebutt. Couldn't be me. Couldn't be me. Couldn't, could not be me. Oh, wait, can I try the gummies?

Can I try the conscious? No, no, it's okay. It's okay. All right. Try the, you. Oh, my God. I'm taking two. Yeah. Oh my God, these colors.

No, you're going to die. You're actually going to die. They're actually, do you like sour? Yes. Oh my. No, I, and the, I know. And I know. To die.

To die, right? Like, really good. Jake, I'm so happy for you. Thank you. This is like, we were saying in the car, like, that's like our dream job is to work for a gummy. Yeah, you know, in August we're going to Dusseldorf. Fun. How do you feel about that?

Is that the gummy capital? That's where Cutch is where Cutch is headquarters. is. Oh, fun. Have you, have you been to Germany? No, never. I think you should go to Berlin. Oh, I want to go to, um.

Berliners are just like, Berliners are just like so lovely and sweet and cool and earnest. And like a way that like, oh, it feels so not New York or L.A. where everyone's trying to be like cool and posture. L.A. is the worst with it, though. New York. New York is much better. L.A. is the worst.

I can't find a man in L.A. to save my life. What was, you've talked about this, but I just, just gay to gay, like mother to daughter. What would you say is like the defining thing about L.A. dating for you that you were like, I think L.A. is, I don't know what it is. It's just harder there. It's just, I think everyone works in entertainment or wants to work in entertainment, which isn't.

No, it's not necessarily bad. New York is about, like, we care about what you're like as a person a little bit. We care about shopping. Yes. The places you go. Rule of culture.

Rule of culture. We care about these things. I totally get it. Well, I think L.A. is, I think people are, and I think New York is guilty of this too. It's like people are thinking about the upgrade. But it's also, it's harder to congregate in L.A.

in New York. Like, in New York, I meet men out. Like, but people ask for my number out. Or, like, it happened once. And it was very exciting. But, like, I'll also, like, I'll find it, like, I just, like, more confident in New York. I don't know what it is.

I don't know what it is. This is the perfect time of year. It's the perfect time of year. It's hot out. You're outside. You're, you're drinking. You're, like, having fun. And then you're, like, you feel confident.

Whereas in L.A., you're in, you're in. a car constantly or you're home i'm home or in a car totally uh we are recording this i'm sorry to we can get this out we're recording this on the day of the macdala no keep it in we are recording this we are recording this on the day of macdala so you'd rather have one day a year in a city where it's like it's just it all fucking comes out and one big like ugly yeah moment of like the pageantry and like the status and yeah the appearance of it all yes and get it out of the way and then and then you're good Because after tonight, it's like, all right, let's keep it moving.

Award season's over. Uh-huh. Mek Gala season's over. Like, well, MacGala weekends over. Yeah. And now we can just have fun. I can't wait for you to experience that. I'm not that you already have.

No, I haven't. Really? I don't think so. I don't, well, I, no, I, yeah, I haven't been having much fun. I'm excited because I have stuff coming up that I'm excited to have fun and I'm going to friends. I'm going to Vegas. Yes.

All with my friends. France, Vegas, then Dusseldorf. It's Vegas, France, New York, Paris, which I've never been to. Paris, France. I've never been to Paris. Love. And I'm so excited. Oh my God, it's the best.

And then France again. Oh, my God. And then. Paris again or a different part of France? South. Can? Centropay. Central.

Oh, fun. And then London for a wedding. Cute. Jake, that's such a great summer. I know. I'm so. excited. I'm so thrilled for you. Yeah, I'm really excited. I just want to like go out and about. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So what's like the fan, well, let's keep it to New York. What's the fantasy New York summer day? Like what do you? Oh, okay. I wake up. I work out. Yeah. Because I just like feel good. Maybe like, I just mentally just to feel good like so I can feel confident throughout the rest of my day. Yep. And then maybe like 3 p.m. It's,

still hot out and we go to like dime square and start drinking. Yep. See where the night takes us. And that's, oh, see, this is perfectly loose. Yeah. Unstructured. Like, that's, I mean, I had a night like that the other night and it took me out of commission for

I mean. You can say it. A week. A real week. Like I looked at Louise and I said like, it's, this is bad. Louise, wait, You ride for Louise.

Can I say Can I say on the way Like I was just with Matt and I was like Oh my God, I'm so excited to see Jake And I said God I hope Louise is there Because Louise, it's not that you're an incredible person But I also am just obsessed with the name. We don't get Louises anymore.

We don't. And it's a French. Well, I used to hate it now in my adult life I love it. Oh, it's a fabulous name. Oh, it's just a wonderful name. I ride hard for Louise. Yeah, you and Matt, we're like the first to ride hard for Louise. Really?

Yes. I feel like Louise is, Louise, I feel like you're such a figure in the pus-a-verse. Oh, here she goes in the seat. That she wanted all along. It's just so much more comfortable over here. Of course, you're not going to be happy on that. Louise is a figure in my life. Louise is a figure.

Wait, can I ask, was that, because you were in can with us, right? Last year. Oh, wait, she's always in can with me. So Matt describes your meeting in the gym as you like doing the machine incorrectly for two seconds and then leaving. Yes. Because because of things. Oh, yes. Was this you like, was that like your big, the beginning of your like your gym obsession?

Your new gym obsession? No. It was the start. It was like the, yeah. Yeah, yeah, I guess it was the start of me like trying to work out. But now if I went to the gym alone, I could do workouts. You know what you're doing. I know what I'm doing.

That's amazing. See, and I always, I'm like... And I was looking... Sorry. No, no, no, go. I was, like, looking at Matt, and I was like, oh, my God, he's doing pull-ups. I was like, what the fuck is going on here? It's just... But I can do that now. That's amazing, because it's just about, like, it's...

The gym is like a hot stove to people, and they don't want to touch it. They don't want to go too close to it. But all you have to do is put on oven mitts. All you have to do is make it somewhat safe for yourself. Uh-huh. And then it'll start to fall into place. Well, my trainer calls it the iceberg effect. Oh, yeah?

So it's like, once... And I actually don't know why he calls it that. Because I don't know. You start at the tip and then you get to the bottom, which is much more in depth. Oh. Oh. I still don't get it.

Okay. So you know how like an iceberg, only a small part of the iceberg is above water? Yeah. It's just look at, Google a picture of an iceberg. Right. And you'll see.

It's like this much. And then the rest of it is like this much. Okay. And so you're hitting the tip of the iceberg. Are you following me? Yes, yes, I hit the tip. Hit the tip. Uh-huh.

And then beneath the surface, there's so much more. You know what? We do need to talk about quickly. Not just for promo purposes, but because it was the best night of Louise and I's life. And I'm, and I don't say that lightly. I do not enjoy events. Thank you. I do not enjoy going anywhere.

Oh, my God. The Culture Awards. Oh, my God, Jake. Were the best night of my life. Stop. And by the way, that is hard to do at a taping. It was a taping. So, like, you know what I mean?

Like, you have to, like, sometimes things have to, like, reset. And threw out the entire night, best night of my life. Oh, my God, Jake. Best night of my life. Louise and I were tears in our eyes. I felt like I had to really redeem myself because I felt like I came on to your Radio City show and I fucking bombed and killed the vibe in that room so hard. You felt that way?

I was like, people were so excited that you guys were the guests. was like, oh, look at me in my cortisol face. And then silence. 5,000 people, dead silent. That is not true. That is not true. You guys were the perfect guess and I had so much fun. But the culture awards were, like.

Thank you for doing them, by the way. Wait, if you're in L.A. end of May. I'm not. It's totally fine because we had heard from the talent people that were like, Jake Sheen wants to come back. We're like, yes, thank God. And then for some reason it fell off. And I was like, no problem.

Brett, my dear, my best friend Brett is doing a big run club in New York. That's a huge ask to get your friends to run. But you know what she's doing for me? She's coming to Las Vegas for sweets and snacks. Wait, what's sweets and snacks? Yes, sweets and snacks, exposition or expo? Is that not short for exposition? It's a big candy convention.

Oh my gosh. And she's coming. And Brett does not like. to travel when she doesn't need to. So I really, really appreciate her coming. That's also so well balanced to you because she's having you do something healthy. And then you...

And I do like to run. That's amazing. I'm so jealous. Well, I like to run because after you feel like you are everything. Of course. But I only run in group settings. I can't run alone or else I'll stop. Like I have to run and someone has to be like, keep going.

That's great. Keep going. And are you like that like group fitness classes? No. I used to be. I used to only do group fitness classes, but now I have a trainer that is like keep going. Love.

Keep going. I know. I used to be really. God, I used to, there was a time when I soul cycled. I mean, like every other white girl in PR.

Yeah. And what year did you start soul cycle in? 2015, 16. I started 20, 13. I was 13 years old. I was 13 years old. When you were like clear? I have a,

a photo of me with braces on and they gave me a cupcake. They would give you a cupcake from... Let me see it. Is it closed now? If it's closed now, it's that, that's it. Okay, it's crumbs. So you were 13 years... Yeah, yeah, yeah. Were you a very barista, mani?

Yes, I was. Wow! God. God, just... Can I say something? Mm-hmm. I miss that time. Dude. Not that like milk bar and soul cycle have like gone.

New Fork City. What's that? Come on. New Fork City, you know. You know. Michelle knows everything. It was this Instagram account and all I would do all day. It was like overheard L.A. for food in New York.

And you would DM them photos of food and just pray to God that they would post it. Oh my God. Yes. Yeah. And they put me on to a million places. Do you remember Spice Market? Of course I remember. Spice Market. Why did it close? Why did it close? It was amazing. Two stories. So many, so many places just,

but I'm just, I'm just saying like, we all look back and like, ha ha, look at how lame we were back then, but I'm like, I had fun. No, the cringe was everything. The soul cycle. Oh, come on, like, blowing out the candle felt so nice. So nice. Oh my God. I'm blowing up the fucking eucalyptus candle. Come on. And it smells so good. Lemon verbena, whatever it is. It was just nice and... Did you ever live on the Upper West Side? No, but I kind of low-key, I'm like, I would like it. It's so, I don't know, it just feels so cinematic.

It is. It's very vampire weekend. It's very vampire weekend. Did you ever go to Sugar and Plum? No. So Sugar and Plum was a, that, my God, I'm trying, I need to figure out a way to describe it. It was a restaurant. Okay.

And as a part of the restaurant, there was a kin, corner where you could like put candy in a bag and get candy. But they had like these like Belgian waffles with like ice cream and like chicken tenders and fry. It was like Delilah for kids. Delilah for kids. And instead of alcohol, they had candy. Which is just, which all ages love.

Right. Tell me more about sweets and, what is it? Sweets and snacks. Sweets and snacks. Yes. So you've been before. No, never. This is my first time because I am now CCO of CCHUS.

Oh my God. I'm just. This is my dream. If there are any sweets and snacks companies out there. We should do a Bowen Cotches Club. I'm serious? Little glasses? Yes, little glasses.

That could be fun. Yes, we can make them, you can make, Kautress is like the thing about Kautchis that I love so much is they're down for whatever. They have glasses. They have glasses. That's really, really fun. In another one of their companies, but yes. Okay.

Do you sit on any boards? No. Oh, I have one. One foundation, but that's... What foundation? It's called the necessary foundation, and it helps queer filmmakers get their projects made. But, like, it just started, like, a few months ago.

Oh, well, you just started it. So meaningful things will begin to happen. Yes, but no, but Adam Goldman, the wonderful man who started it is, like, setting me the loveliest, gentlest text being like, hey, like, let me know if you, like, go through your contacts at some point. And I'm like, totally...

Well, I would love to help out with anything. Oh, my God, please. Yes. Please. Speaking of gay stuff. One is pride. The month of June. No, I know it's in June, but what weekend?

And I actually feel like it's, I mean, it's not, it's both weird and fine that it's like not as corporate anymore. Did, oh, it used to be. It used to be like, every fucking bank in the world had something. And now it's like, everyone, now that everyone's homophobic again, they're like, just kidding. It's, it has some of my, it's, I've had some of my best memories and some of my, like, most had to pee memories in New York City. Most had to pee memories.

It's just you're standing there, but it's like you have to pee, but it doesn't matter because you're just like enjoying it. What's the worst you've ever had to pee? Because I know mine. I don't think about having to pee as much. Coachella, I feel like I always have to piss. This past Coachella,

I felt like I had to walk across the entire grounds to pee. And, oh my God, the only time I've been like, no to pictures is stand. at like 11 p.m. in the smelliest tent at Coachella with the porta-potties. Like someone on Molly is like, can we take a picture?

And I'm like, not here. I'm so sorry. Yeah, that's your boundaries. You just can't do it next to shit and piss. Yeah, you can. But Coachella was recently, I think I have so many memories

about almost shitting my pants and the times that I've shot my pants. So clear in my memory. I've shot my pants. The last time I shot my pants, was more recent than I would like to admit. That's okay, but you know what the worst... This is the worst part of shooting your pants.

It's like, if you have to, like, travel after the, after the moment, and you gotta like... What? You got to, like, keep it, keep it in the groin so it doesn't fall down a fucking pant leg. Oh, okay. You know what I was.

The last time I really shit my pants then was in college my freshman year. That's not that, that recent. No, no. But I thought you were talking about. talking about like shard in. Oh, I see. No, we shart all the time. No, everyone sharts.

Everyone sharts. It's like, it's just not how. It just happens. It just happens. People just don't talk about it. I'm so, I have no qualms about talking about it. Mm-mm. A shart always.

Always a shart. It's always wet. Always. You don't have a dry shart. How could you? Wouldn't it be crazy if you sharted in a full, like piece of shit. Full cylinder. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

A piece of shit. But the time I had to pee, the hardest. Yes. Was I was en route to Gov ball. And we were stuck in traffic. And I, you know, when you have to pee so bad, like you actually think, like, you are going to die. Like, you think, like, your bladder is going to explode

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Whether it be for a wedding, whether it be for a music festival, whether it be for a show, whether it just be for any group activity, you are most likely leaving the house, which means expenses will tally up and you will be paid back or will have to pay a friend back via Venmo. My favorite way to use my Venmo balance is through the Venmo debit card because for me, it is the easiest way to spend that balance. I'm also big on tap to pay and Venmo at checkout. It is the easiest way to pay. Like, it is summer and chances are you will be going to an event,

which requires someone to put their card down for something, and you will have to pay them back, most likely via Venmo. Also, it is officially wedding season, whether you like it or not, you're getting gifts, you're getting rides, you're getting dresses, suits, whatever you wear to a wedding. The easiest way to use your Venmo balance if you have any is on the Venmo debit card, because it doesn't require the extra step of transferring it. The money is already there.

You can also add your Venmo debit card to your digital wallet, which for me is very useful because I love to tap to pay. I hate bringing my wallet places. I love just to bring my phone. So tapping to pay at a restaurant or at a clothing store or at a bar is just makes my life a little more colorful. The Venmo MasterCard is issued by the Bankcorp Bank N.A. Venmo stash bundle terms and exclusions apply. Max, $100 cash back per month.

See Terms at Venmo. slash stash terms. Memo checkout, not available at all merchants. Thank you again, Memo, for sponsoring tonight's episode. Wait, you should be a gamer again. I know. Well, I just got a Nintendo Switch. Two?

Two. And I, I check, you know, who is the biggest Nintendo Switch legend of Zelda fan? You actually won't believe it. Wait, I think I know this. A Zelda fan? Yeah. Rihanna, who? Kylie Jenner

Are you kidding me? No, swear to God Swear to God and she put me on to it We have a thing in common now Yes, okay, but I try to play the legend of Zelda Which one? Breath of the Wild Breath of the Wild It is very

I'm a Pokemon guy Of course Like I like the structure of Pokemon games You have the gyms And then you have the elite And then you kind of free play Until you catch all the rare Pokemon Like that's like my vibe

I love that And you're, so you're, you're a JRP person, Japanese role-playing game. Oh, yes. Okay, great. Oh, yes. Zelda, I was very, it was very difficult for me to, like, get past, like, even the, I was like, what's my goal here? That's the beauty of the game.

It's, it's the, it's the most perfected open world game made. I can't do it. I have to have. I understand. I understand. I have, you want structure. I think I'm going to actually get, if there is a new Pokemon game on the Nintendo Switch 2, I am going to.

get it and I'm going to play it. It's called wind and waves. Is it good? It hasn't come out. Yeah. Well, there's, and then there's, I got really excited. There's, there's, it'll come out around Christmas, but I feel like there's sword and shield and there was, I've got X and Y. Is it good? No, not X and Y, sorry, they're fine. You, I think you should play, you should play Pokemon Legend ZA. Is that on Nintendo Switch? That's on Nintendo Switch. That's on Nintendo Switch and Switch 2. It takes place in Lumio City, which is Paris, basically. Very French, very, very, very your vibe right now. And it's real time.

So it's an action game, but you basically still do the moves, but there's just to cool downs. You don't take turns. It's more like action-based, and it's faster. Oh my God, I'm so sad you're not coming to the culture awards.

Well, I mean, Louise doesn't have to. What's that? Coming after? Okay, great. Louise can, Louise? Pre-cultural words. Okay, well, you can go to the culture awards without me. Are you kidding me, Louise? You're coming.

Wait, go, Louise. Go. I really can't, like, express to you enough. You need to come. Jake and I'm, I know I've told you this so many times. The whole time we're grabbing each other's hands, like, rocking back and forth. Like, this is the best night of my life.

Stop. Stop. What did she do again? She played Robin, not the, not Robin from Batman around, but Robin with the Y, the woman who was the brother's assistant. That, whatever, when Max Alter made everyone look for her phone, which by the way, did not make the final cut. I know, we had to cut it.

It was, you had to be there. I think Meg Saldar is the funniest person. The funniest person alive. Alive. I think she is the funniest person alive. No one does like her. I went to her DJ set last night. Oh my God.

Her album? It's amazing. It's actually unbelievable. No one feels bad for me. And she sat there at the DJ stand brushing her hair the entire time. And then she lost her phone and took 10 minutes out of the DJ set to just scream at everybody to look for her phone. And then a slow song. came on and everyone was dancing behind her on the DJ booth and she made them sit down.

Why? Because you had to find her phone still? No, she just said sit down. And they sat down. And then did you see the video of her going to the kid? Sing the song? And then she goes, that was rude. The kid didn't sing.

Yes, yes. I saw that. I watch her Colbert, her late show interview constantly. My thing with Meg Stalter is I don't, I actually don't, because people are, some people are like, I don't get it. How can you not? No, it's so apparent. How can you not get it? It is the funniest thing on the planet.

I think it's people who like get uncomfortable. But that's the point. But they can't laugh about the discomfort. They can't laugh through it. They only, they stop at discomfort. They're like, this is bad, I don't like this. No, but it's, I literally like, I think like, I do not unders. I like can't, like, no one can explain to me.

If anyone ever said to me, I don't get it. I would literally like be like, what? What about this? Yes. Do you not understand? Like, it is, she is just hysterical. Yes. Yes.

It's like a fundamental, like, it's a cultural, like, it's a fundamentally cultural, I can't, I don't even know what I'm saying. I don't even know what I'm saying. I just, she, she is just going to hit a nerve with people and it's the same nerve that makes you go, ha, ha, ha, or the same nerve that makes you go, I don't get it. I don't like this. which like I think I don't want to be around those people

We don't have to explain this too much To our people because there are people Yeah I think you're running into more people who like Don't have the same sensibility as you Right I think now that I'm like in my mid-30s I'm like I don't really Right

I can't really I don't I've my circle has gotten smaller Which is just a factor of age No matter what No matter who you are I think And I think I'm like oh I'm like I don't have to like Spend too much energy like Bring someone up to speed Mm-hmm

Does that make sense? That makes sense. I just made this so boring. No, you didn't. Yes, I did. No, you didn't. What are you listening to right now? Holly, Holly Humberstone?

Oh, and I've been a Holly fan down since COVID. Yes. I love her. I just got. Have you ever heard the song Scarlet by her? No. It's unbelievable. It's one of her older ones.

It's one of her older ones. Yeah, it's amazing. I'm listening to, O-P-N? O-P-N. He's the guy who scores, like, the Safty Brothers movies, but he does a lot of, like, noise stuff. Okay.

I missed his show, but, like, I've been, like, into this kind of, like, I don't know, like, tense atmospheric stuff. It's so gross that I am talking about it in this way. But then, um, wait, and then there's one more. Hold on. The Naomi Scott album is really good.

But remember her song from Smile 2? Blood on White Satin? Yeah, yeah, yeah. First of all, smile to fantastic. Didn't see, I'm only seen the first. Okay, I have to see. You haven't seen the first? I haven't seen the second.

What are you doing differently at this year's culture? Are you filming it at the same place? Is it bigger? It's a smaller place, actually, but I think that's okay. And we're doing, we're trying not to repeat too much of last year. Like, our paths in the wood were, you can basically beat for beat, do the same show as last year. And it'll be totally fine. Mm-hmm.

like you can do another memoriam parody you can do another like whatever you can do another like um this that and the other but i think the risk your move and actually but i think the more fun thrilling move is just to like kind of start from scratch like we i think like i'm already kind of guide at like the people we've got lined up and it's not even just people you're like ruining louise's day right now by the way louise like there's no one in this world louise louise louise Louise loves more than Addison Rye. My favorite set of Coachella by far. I didn't see it.

It was incredible. And then literally, and I was, I thought I was like being like a fan. The person next to me, stranger taps me on the shoulder at the end. He goes, that was so fun watching you watch her. Oh. And I was like, oh, then yeah, that's conversation. I felt that way about watching you and Bowen watch Cardi P in Cannes last summer. What's Cardi Pee?

Cardi B. When did that happen? Oh, yeah. You and Matt were having the time of your life. Because she came on after, oh, she was at Spotify. Yeah. Oh, my God. I'm still traumatized from Cannes.

Wait, why? That was so much drinking and partying and having to sit on a panel, quote unquote, well, no, they were panels. But like having to sit on panels and then having to, like, stay up until, like, three in the morning because, like, you kind of felt like you had to based on, like, what was going on there. Like, it was just chaotic. and was like people trying to get at parties.

And it was just like, I think the South of France, Santorpe, I don't know about, but I feel like Cannes and like Nice are like, it's just Miami. It's like, it's like just, it's that kind of like, so I feel as though I am an expert in the South of France. Tell me. Because I've never been to Paris.

I've only been to the South of France. It's not even like a bougie way. It's just like I've been there for work or then I went there for a wedding. I don't say it's not even that bougie. It's very like, um, it feels, I don't know how to describe.

It's not like, there's one nightclub. Yeah. Bayoli. Bayoli. And you either have the best night of your life there or nobody is there. That is like one time Louise and I went there, it was a carnival. They were, like, they were, like, it was the, it was a Ferris wheel. Like, it was like, it was, I think that was the best night of my.

I took cigarettes and sigh, like, whatever, like just having the best end of my life. God. That's what the culture awards were missing. We needed, like, drugs in the carnival. This reminds me, are you watching Rhode Island? Yes. Alicia. Alicia.

She, what, what are these, like, bagel bites that she had, or the pizza bites that's literally just bread? Pizza chips. I didn't know about, I hear pizza chips, and I'm like, okay, so it's like a little potato chip with, like, seasoning. It's just bread. It's just bread with tomato sauce. I do not fuck with the one.

and I'm sorry. Rula, Rosie? No, Rula. Okay, here's the thing about Rula is she brings discourse. Like people don't like,

like. No, no, she's a great character. Yeah, she's a great character. I don't fuck with, is it Ashley the one who was on The Bachelor? I'm sorry. And I think, but I think she and her husband like moved there for the show,

if I'm not mistaken. Okay. Let's fight. Like, let's fight. Please. Oh. Oh my God. I struggle with reality television in general.

The only reality TV I can do is Housewives. It's the only TV I can do. I'm kind of the same. It's like, what's that about? I, I'm used to old reality television. Like, I watched Bad Girls Club. Were you ever a Bad Girls Club fan? I never wasn't, I'm trying to, someone's trying to put me on it, but what's the new show?

Baddies. Baddies. It goes deep. Wow. And it's like crazy. Like, I know everything about Batty's. Everything, everything, everything, everything. But so basically the best season of Bodies, there's two.

Baddy South, which was season two. And Baddies, Baddy's, I think it was Baddy's West. Okay. And that's when Stunner Girl was on. Who's Stunner Girl? Stunner Girl. Baddy's South was so good because there was a real narrative. And like they were really trying to, they really traveled the South.

And, you know, and there was a real narrative going on there. And now it's every episode is, Natalie calls a house meeting before everyone goes out and goes. And it just like, you have to fight. Whereas on Bad Girls Club, if you hit somebody, you got kicked out of the house. Right. So it was like this tension brewing and brewing and brewing and brewing and brewing and brewing. And then there would be this one massive fight. Like in Bad Girls Club, New Orleans.

Mm-hmm. Judy and Priscilla Priscilla beat Judy bloody Like and and because well Judy goes Priscilla I made you breakfast in bed And dump cereal all over Priscilla's bed And Priscilla just like beats the fucking

Living shit out of Judy And like This is original Bad Girls Club Yeah original no nothing touches Original Bad Girls Club Then and oh my God Bad Girls Club Miami Oh my God

Bad Girls Club Cabo I've seen every single season of Bad Girls Club. So it's just Housewives and Bad Girls Club for you. And America's Next Top Model. But there hasn't been a new cycle of that. So that's what I'm saying. I only do old. Oh, right.

Got it got. And you're, and you will be watching whatever the new tire recreation is. So Matt and I recapped the most recent cycle, which was like 2018. And I was just like, what's this all for? And it was also like my first,

it was one of the first times law, Roach was on TV and like I went through the cycle with Law Roach where I was like I'm not I'm not sure what this man is about and now I'm obsessed with him. Oh yeah, what did he say recently that I just died for? Oh, bring back gatekeeping. Totally. He was like, not everyone's meant to have what you have. I literally was like, oh.

I think gaykeeping, I think, I think gaykeeping has always remained. I, yeah. I think, and I think for whatever reason people, people are still gatekeeping and sure, Why not? I have no take on this beyond. Yeah. It's not gone. The reason I loved OG America's Next Top Model

is because I was a child. Yes. And I genuinely believed that when these women won the show, they would go on to become a top model. Totally. But you know, I think American Idol implanted this in my brain where I was like, whoever wins this is going to be.

Kelly Clarkson. The biggest thing. Carrie Underwood. Exactly. This never happened. Who else was? Rubin Stutter. Fantasia Burrino

No, but then Taylor Hicks Clay Aiken Adam Lambert No, but there was someone else too I think we said David Archiletta Dave

Jennifer Hudson Oh yeah Jennifer Hudson That's what I'm thinking of She made a I mean She's Jennifer Hudson She got an Oscar a few years later

Yeah like American Idol I would say is the only show to successfully create stars. Well, I think... Besides the X Factor, One Direction, Fifth Harmony. Of course, of course. But for, yeah, for shows like that, for X Factor and American Idol

to run parallel to top model, kind of like, it seemed to be this, like, global belief that, like, whoever wins these shows will go on to great success. You know who actually was on America's Next Top Model and left and is, like, now,

one of the top models. Winnie Harlow. Winnie Harlow. As you guys know, Venmo and I have been working together this season on Therapus, and so tonight, or today, whenever you guys are watching this, we are going to be bringing you some more financial leaning. Tell Me What's Wrongs, given that Venmo is a financial app. I love the Venmo debit card, so my advice will probably be leaning a lot towards using that,

because I think it is, like, for me, the easiest way to spend my Venmo balance. My friend is having a really small, intimate wedding, just family and a few close friends. Our friend group is nine people and only three are invited to the wedding. I didn't think much of this until all nine of us got invited to her bachelorette trip and it's going to cost at least $1,500. Am I being crazy for thinking that's kind of selfish? Like we're apparently close enough to drop a ton of money on her bachelorette but not close enough to be there for her actual wedding. Help. If you maybe flip it, like maybe she can't afford to have both a big wedding and a big bachelorette.

But like obviously if you can't spend the money, then you just have to tell her, I can't spend this money. And if she's a real friend, she'll understand. It's also unfair that only three people are invited. I think that's where it gets tricky. For me, I would just like analyze a situation. Like, is this because of a money reason? Like, can she not afford both? Or is this just out of pure, like, this is what she wants?

Because if that's the case, then you can also be like, well, then I'm not spending this if I'm not invited to the actual event. But then at that point, you actually want to even be invited anymore. I pay for everything for me and my boyfriend and I make way more than him, so it's kind of fair, but at the same time, it would be nice if he chipped in once in a while. Do I just start cold VEMO requesting him for stuff, or does this need to be a serious discussion? I've actually thought about this a lot. I think the cold VEMO requests will catch him off guard. Maybe be like, hey, do you mind if I, can I VEMA request you for this? You know what I mean? Like, I'm going to VEMO request you for this meal. Base your decisions on his reactions thereafter.

I can't cook for the life of me, so I eat out almost every meal, and it's costing me. Do you have any suggestions for how to motivate myself to cook or even like hacks for cheap meals anywhere? I cannot keep up with this habit. If you really hate cooking that much, collab with your friends. Go to each other's houses. Make meals together. It's like make it an activity to do with other people so that it's not just you and it doesn't feel like a chore.

And it's way more expensive to cook for one than it is to cook for a group of people. But if you still do not want to cook, you can use VEMO stash rewards to earn cash back on places you're already spending money. and when you use your Venmo balance at these places, like you will earn cash back so you can pick like a bundle of your favorite brands and earn cash back on that. Also, I feel like the solace of spending

with a Venmo balance is like you know exactly how much you have and it's coming out of that one account of yours, the Venmo account. It's not coming out of like your savings or something is like a good way to think about it. The Venmo MasterCard is issued by the BankCorp Bank N. Venmo Stash bundle terms and exclusions apply, max $100 cash back.

per month. See terms at Vemmo.meo.combe. slash dash terms. Vembo checkout not available at all merchants. Thank you again, Vemmo for sponsoring tonight's episode and the special edition of Tell Me What's Rongs. Bowen, what are you therapists about today? What I'm therapist about today is, honestly, this is going to sound so boring, but it's my back pain.

I knew you were going to say your back pain. But it's just, and I was going to come in here and be like, this is what you have to look forward to. But the fact that you're experiencing it at 26. Well, are you on a muscle. not TikTok. It's, I just,

like, licked my lips. It is, like, the best thing on planet Earth. You, they, they have these gloves on,

and they, like, it's a back, obviously. Uh-huh. And they put their finger on, and you see the knot. No,

no, no, no, no. Okay. And they go, and it just, and, like, scientifically, actually,

they're not getting the knot out. Like, which, really happening is they're pushing the muscle to the end and it snaps back in place. But if you just tell yourself that's like when you get an air bubble out of a screen protector. Yeah, that's what it looks like. Okay. That's what

it looks like. It's awesome. Also dry needling. Dry needleing, for sure. And then muscle twitches. I'm therapist about my back pain. Yep. What can we talk about? How much I love you? Oh my God. Oh, we can talk about the tell me what's wrongs. I will never forget the tell me what's wrongs from Radio City.

Whoa, what were they? Which is like like, um. Oh, like I thought my cousin. What do No, no, no, no. One of them was my roommate fucked my date and then... Oh, and she said tea. Yeah. And how could you be mad, tea? That's insane. It's everything.

It's camp. I'm doing a program in Copenhagen this summer and I have a weekend break where I can travel. One of my best friends is really close with my ex-boyfriend who is Norwegian. We have been broken up for two years. They've face-timed each other when I was in the room and on a whim I told my I would be in Norway for a weekend. So a lot of exposition. A lot of exposition.

They haven't planned this trip. Okay, go. I don't. No, I think this is. No, I am doing this present. Oh, she is. He told me I should come and stay with him. It's taken me a long time to get over him.

I haven't dated anyone since, and both of us are single. Do I go to Norway? Oh my God. I would. If it's just for the weekend, sure. It's going to be, it's already time bound.

It's low stakes. Listen to Tiss of the damn season by Taylor Swift and just fucking do it. Oh, my God. But that's about a hometown. but it's about like seeing an ex and getting back together with them just for the weekend.

You can call me babe for the weekend. Talk about the best song ever, by the way. Talk about, talk about the Aeros Tor. Oh my God. I saw a TikTok the other day of like being like. Oh my God. I prescribed this the damn season. My boss absolutely reeks.

Like he seriously smells like bad sushi. Quit. Okay. His office. His office is right. next to mine. So I'm forced to put up with his stench all day and it makes me want to vomit. I pull my shirt up over my nose to avoid it most of the time. Other people have walked past and said, oh my God, what is that awful smell? And nobody realizes it is him, including him.

I don't want to tell him because fired. What do I do? HR. That is exactly what HR is meant to help with. Yeah. You have to. Oh my God. I can't deal with smells. If I assign a smell to a person, you're done. You're done. You're done. You're done. You're done, you're done. I can't do it. Oh my God. I can't. I can't. Is it the kind of office where you can burn a candle, like a five wick candle? This person has an office next to the boss. Oh my God, it makes me feel sick if I had to smell that every day. I hate smells. I hate smells. I'm like a pregnant woman. I hate smells. And like even like perfumes and colognes are too strong. No, but I hate the smell of Sephora. Got it. Sephora, you walk in and it's just like,

that's like the smell of Sephora to me it's just like a cough of perfume of course like Louise and I went to Sephora today to kill time and I was so upset about it Louise walked in and said do you need anything and I said no and she's I said do you and she said no

and we walked out and then sat you know Louise okay you know the thing about Louise is Louise can read anywhere oh I'm so jealous like Louise could sit right now and start reading as we're talking and continue reading. What are you reading right now? Why don't you pick up the mic?

I just started the lover. Okay. And I just finished last night, Madonna and a fur coat. Okay, great. These are books that I feel like I should know and I don't. Oh, yeah, you should read. Okay.

I love it. Yes, I should. You would really enjoy it. I'm reading, I'm reading bullshit. What are you reading? Oh, no, I'm actually, I'm actually reading a really good novel. Um, the Lath of Heaven by Ursula K. Le Guin.

This is now becoming too intellectual for me. I can't. Yes. Oh my God. In one day. Oh, my God. Oh, amazing. It's an intense book.

I know. Yeah. But it's, it's an amazing, incredible. She's, she's fucking amazing. It is so, it's funny that the, the, the crux of girls is her saying she's the voice of her generation in a joking manner. Yes. Because she is.

Do you know what I mean? But she's still, even in the book, she's like, yeah, and you read it. It's like, even, even, She's like, that was a joke. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. She is. There's no one else that speaks like.

Uh-huh. And for you to be like so in it and make a show about it like immediately. Yeah. And for you to be able to like pull up and see it for what it is. Like that's impossible. You know what I thought was awesome when she was like I was working and like her, it was her, the Safty brothers and Greta Gertig. I know.

Just all working together in like this place. Like how awesome and they all. They all blew up. They all are now. I know. It's so cool. Cool. Dorder!

My ex is my stepbrother now. What? Yeah, period. We were together for two years and things got nasty towards the end. While we were together, I guess my mom and his dad both divorcees. Diverses? Whatever you want. Fell in love and failed to share any of this information with us.

I fear I'm in a cursed timeline and have to see him all the time now. Help me and set some healthy boundaries. Oh, help me set some healthy boundaries. boundaries. Well, I feel like the boundaries is the, was the break. Well, that's so hard. And actually, that's, well, Paul Redden and Clueless, they started as step siblings and then they got together. Right. Same with Copamia. What's Copamia? You gotta see Copamia. Okay. So in Copamia, basically Nicole Wallace's mom is getting married to this very wealthy guy, and Nicole Wallace falls in love with the sun.

Oh. My advice is that you should be so, you should be like my life is crazy and just tell people like my life is crazy. You guys have no idea. My life is crazy. Embrace it. Embrace the crazy. She's already halfway there.

Like embrace the crazy. Be like my life is so not normal like to the point where like start making light of it and making jokes about it. Make art about it. art about it. Truly. Make art. I work as a manager at a hotel.

Since I live really close to work, UPS will sometimes deliver my personal packages there. The other day, I was in the housekeeping storage room and found a box address to me that was opened. It was a vibrator I ordered. I don't know who the culprit is. Should I say something? Can you check the cameras? Yes.

Well, I guess she can't in the closet. Oh, sure. Do she say something? I think we're at the point now. in the culture where it's like, yeah, we all stick things in each other, in ourselves. No, but that's not her problem. Her problem is somebody fucking opened it. I know, which is illegal.

Right. So now she wants to get revenge. Or just find out who it was and be like, why'd you steal my shit? Or take, or open my shit. Maybe they were just curious. As long as they didn't steal your belongings. Yeah. Just my advice would be to stop having your shit sent to the hotel.

Oh, interesting. Although, God, one of the things about, like, going into a place of work in it having, like, a solid shipping situation is, like, that is so important. Really? I remember the days when, like, I don't get shit sent to work. Where'd you work? I don't know if it's called One Kings Lane, not far from here. And what'd you do? It was one of their marketing graphic designers.

You do graphic design? I used to. And now I couldn't tell you anything about it. It's all out. It's all gone from my brain. I just started getting close with my coworkers recently, and on a night out, I made the mistake of telling them. I began taking Lexapro since the job.

I don't think that's bad. Not a big deal, apparently to these guys. Oh, not a big deal, but apparently to these guys, I'm a drug addict now. What? They're not even throwing shade, just like cracking jokes to everyone in the office about it, and it's super uncomfortable.

What do I say to them because they are fun? Just this is a little whack. I think they're like, actually like and I mean this like full heartedly like very stupid. I was going to say like you don't want to get close to these people. What?

Don't be friends with them. Ew, that sucks. It's, what do you're a drug dealer for taking Lexapro? I take Lexapro. I guess I'm a fucking addict. I take Louvox. Louvox, by the way, has changed my life. And I'll tell you why.

When I am taking Louvox and not smoking weed, which is not often, but it was the other day. I am like, good morning. Like, good morning, Louise. How are you, Manning? Like, what's up? Like, how are you?

Like, today is beautiful. Like, let's have a day. When I'm taking Louvawks and smoking weed, I'm back to Jake. Totally. Weed's been the thing that's, like, helped me get my mind off this back pain. Weed's the best thing on planet Earth.

You know I'm smoking immediately after this. And I'm like, is this developed? Because you know Lady Gaga got addicted to it. To weed? Chromatic. Like, or during. Duran, she was like, I don't want people to get it twisted. Like, you can get addicted to marijuana. I am addicted

to weed. And so, and I think I am too. I am. It's very, um, I think we are the guinea pigs for weed addiction because it's sold now. Oh, yeah. Like legally. Right, right, right. So it's so much more accessible. And so we're, and so we're like the gay, but like that, I am, like, smoking a joint for me is, like, I'm not a big drink. Me neither. It's the perfect way for me to wind down. Oh my God, just like smoking a joint. Like it burns my throat a bit. Like I feel like lighter.

Like I like, it's like a glass of wine for me. Absolutely. And I don't feel hungover in the morning. I just feel anxious and like maybe I want to kill myself. On par with a hangover. Mm-hmm. Jake, I saw messages on my boyfriend's, wait, did we give her advice? Oh yeah, stop sending packages to your place of work.

Oh, no, no. This is the one with Deluxea Pro. Oh, yeah, those are not your friends. are your friends. You, why would you want to be friends with people that fucking stupid? Period. Literally like, what? Like, what? That's not even a funny joke.

No. But it's not even not funny because it's like you're making fundamental illness. It's just not funny, period. Exactly. That's not funny. That's not funny. All my friends are on Met. Every single one of my friends.

Are you on Mets? I used to be on Lexpro. You're not anymore? You're healed. You're a healed Whitney. Hilled. You don't get that to you. She's missing out.

You don't get that to you? Jake, I saw messages on my boyfriend's phone between him and chat GBT. He was talking about how I have a vibrator. My boyfriend told ChatGBT that our sexual relationship isn't what it used to be. Why is he telling Chat GBT this? Because I have a vibrator. Oh, ew. These people sound horrible.

I know. He doesn't know that I saw those messages. Should I ignore it? What should I do? No. You can be like, I saw your fucking chat GBT messages, you freak. That feels so deeply, that's like a deeper level of shame than like looking through emails. Like talking to chat GBT to some guys is probably like intimate beyond intimate.

Well, your boyfriend also like is maybe gay and hates woman. Like, why is he mad that you have a vibrator? Exactly. I know. Am I wrong? like, right? Let women have vibrators. That's weird.

Like, why don't you want her to experience pleasure? That's strange. It's, uh-huh. Like, you can't be, it's this thing where, like, such an American thing to be like, I have to be the partner to fulfill every need. Yeah.

In France, it's like, oh, no, you have your fuck buddy and you have your intellectual boyfriend and your whatever boyfriend. What? It's like, it's like the French thing. It's like, no, your partner isn't going to be able to carry all of your expectations for it.

They're not going to be able to fulfill every single need. Yeah, your boyfriend hates women and he does not want you to experience joy. And you should break up with him. That's it. I just found out my boyfriend cheated from three different girls. We've been together for five years and he recently tested positive for an STD. Cut it out. Only a few days pass and one by one I get messages from these girls saying he called them to go get checked.

I'm sorry, it's not funny. As if the STD wasn't bad enough for me, I just found out he's been cheated. cheating for years. How should I kill him? Watch John Tucker must die. And you collab with the girls. You collab with the girls. Oh, yes, you're so right. You're making all these pop culture connections. I'm so... Are you proud? I'm so proud. Well, I never expected anything less.

Thank you. I have some weird issue where I pretend to be asleep if anyone comes into my room. No matter what time of the day or night, if someone comes in, I'll turn everything off and pretend to be asleep. I don't know why I do this. I do it every single time and have done it for years. What could this be? What does this person live when someone comes into the room? I think a college dorm it sounds like. I see, I see.

Is it like a railroad-style apartment where like they have to like pass through the room in order to get to theirs? No, I think it's like, I don't know. Okay, right? Like that's, I. Did you, when you were at, you went to NYU, right? Did you live in a dorm freshman year? Never lived in a dorm in it. Oh, okay.

It freaked me out. So that's why you're not. Okay, so when you live in a dorm. Oh, sure, sure. And like, your door is unlocked constantly. And if, and it's your room. It's not only that, it's just like people come, like, Brett, like, I, like, would sometimes wake up to, like, my best friend, Brett just being in my room. She would be, okay, got it.

Doing homework because, like, she couldn't in her room because her roommate was asleep. Sounds like a nightmare. It was awesome. Okay. It was the best time of my life. I've never experienced such joy in my entire life. I felt like I ruled the world. I was like, I remember the first night of college where everyone was like, okay, should we eat now?

Like, should we order food and eat? And I was like, wait. What? What? I get to eat with these people. We can just have like a sleepover and eat and have fun. Oh, yeah, you're right. You're so right.

But I don't know what your issue is. Maybe you're an introvert. No, my sister went to NYU and it just made sense to live with her. Oh, okay. Well, that's fun. Yeah. How'd you meet Matt? I was on the improv team at NYU and he wanted to get on the sketch team.

And then I was, I had a crush on a girl who lived on his floor. Are you bisexual? No. Oh. But at the time. At the time, I was like, after conversion therapy, I was like, I guess I'm straight again. You did conversion therapy? And then, yes.

Oh, I'm so sorry. No, that's okay, that's okay. It wasn't like electrodes or anything. It was just like a creepy guy telling me. Okay, okay. This is why being gay is bad. So, I was in love with this girl. A gorgeous girl.

Uh-huh. Gorgeous. And she was friends with Matt. And the first time I ever saw Matt was on Facebook when you could post videos to walls. And I, and I'm stalking this girl. I just, like, because Facebook's stalking this girl. Mm-hmm. Because I was just, and I wasn't, like, creepy or anything.

That's not creepy. People stock people on Instagram all the time. Exactly. And so, but then there's a video of, of this guy. And it's Matt Rodgers being like, hey, I shouldn't say your name. I was like, hey, I'm sending you a little naked video. And I was just like him, like, just like doing a little naked dance, but like above the waist. Uh-huh.

And I was like, who the fuck is? And he publicly. He publicly posted this and I was like, who the fuck is this kid? Like, closing in on my girl. But then the first time we met in person, I remember it was the elevator doors opened and then I go in and then we both clocked each other. And like he like kind of wanted to impress me. Like he thought, like, I had status over him and I like didn't see it that way.

And then he auditioned for the improv group the next year when we were softwares. And I go up to him before the audition. I was like, oh my God, I'm so excited. Like you're trying out for the groups this year. I went out of my way to be nice to him And then he got cut after the first round And he blamed it on me And then how did you become friends?

And then he got on the sketch group A week later and then like I was the gay guy in the improv group He was the gay guy in the sketch group And all the other kids were like Play with each other Yeah And then we were like no

Like it was like an arranged marriage thing Of like stop Like we hate this And then like it's not We're not gonna be friends Just because we're gay And then we were friends Just because we were gay

It was like the stepbrothers do we just become best friends moment. You know, I've never seen stepbrothers. Get Stone tonight, watch it. You will not regret it. You will be crying. You know what my plans are for tonight? What?

I have a big group friend, because I haven't seen my friends at all this weekend. Uh-huh. And I have a big friend dinner at Ty Villa. Cute. That sounds so cute. I'm really excited about it.

You're going to get Stone before the friend dinner? I'm going to go to the friend dinner with a joint, smoke outside the restaurant, go in and order. Oh, I love that. Wait, I don't want to push myself onto you, but I feel like we should get stoned sometime. Please. And just like watch a little silly little movie or something.

I would love that. And order food. Mother daughter, like we're working for. Yeah, yeah. Yes. My roommate and her boyfriend have such loud sex. You can hear it in your room. We don't speak often because she's a narcissist and thinks she does nothing wrong,

but her gross, ratty boyfriend is over all the time. All they do is have sex. argue and drink. I literally cannot stand her and find joy when she isn't in the house. I'm not the problem, right? No, certainly not.

You should watch that new movie roommates on Netflix. Written by Jimmy Fall and Kiro Sullivan. Sorry. Wait, yes, who was it written by again? Jimmy Fowley and Kiro Sullivan. I love Jimmy Fowley. Jimmy's the best.

The best. The best. One of the funniest. Funniestest. What did I see? Was he in search party? I'm sure he was. He's been in everything.

He was in season two of the comeback. He was in the other two. That's what it was. And he was the Insta guy. He was the Insta guy. Oh my God. The best show ever. You're so funny, Carrie.

You're like Amy Schumer. It's so, he's amazing. God, the other two was the best. So good. So good. Oh. What? I miss the other two.

I know. Isn't it cool though? Like you're like on hacks. Like you're like in this whole like, you're in that whole like mix of like these comedy shows. I feel very accepted by the comedy scene, which is very, which is, thank you. But it's very nice because sometimes I don't like feel that way from people online. So when people in like your scene accept me and like take me in, it feels very good.

I've, I had a moment like this last week where I just kind of like, I like stumbled on like a snark page or something. And I was like, and I fully spun out. And then I was like, I need to treat this like a fucking chemical spill. zone. Yeah, it's the worst. It's like actually the air is poison. It's bad. You know what I mean? Like it's just it's actually it's lethal if you get anywhere near it. I don't go on. I can't.

I used to like find. I used to vanity search all the time. Yeah. All the time. I used to find the most joy. I had a whole bit on tour. It was like a joke of mine that I would tell that I would like wake up and Google my name on Twitter. And it was like the best. It's not the best. Because I used to find me in

tweets about myself. Me too. And I would read them at my show and it was very, very, very funny. But it got to the point where it became too personal and it's not funny anymore. Like the best stares back. It's like, if you look too long and like the dark thing, like it will have an effect on you. My thing is like I don't care if you, well, I do.

Like I, at the time I wore this very bad. It was like a, whatever. What, how did we get here? Oh, the roommate. The roommate's written by Jimmy Fowley. Oh yes. And being accepted by the comedy community. of course, Jake, it's, it's,

open arms. My ex-boyfriend, thank you. My ex-boyfriend was insane and horrible, but the craziest thing about him was that he used to shit in bags. That's right. Not the toilet. Literal garbage bags. This motherfucker would put a garbage bag in a small trash can,

sit on it and shit. He even, as a joke, threw the bag at me once. The bad part is, I stayed with him for months after that. How do I destroy this attraction to toxic men? Me love. Me love. I don't know what to. Why would he?

Why would you do that? My only reason I don't think that's a lie is because like how could you come up with that? Shitting in bags is like, to me doesn't live in kink. It lives in like a, there must be some like practical lifestyle, quote unquote practical, quote unquote lifestyle reason. And he threw the bag of shit at all. That's fucked. I'm sorry. That's, um, yeah, that's wrong.

I would just hope that you're next. friend isn't like that. I have the best time with you. I have the best time with you. I love you so much. Oh my God. I love you so much. I could talk to you for three hours.

Literally. Okay, well. Bowen. Jake. What did we learn today? We learned. We talked about everything. This felt like a proper catch up.

We learned so much. I learned some. I learned that New York is good on you. Really? Yeah. I think so, I'm really liking this.

Not that L.A. was bad, but I really like... Do you guys agree? I think both. I'm obsessed with Louise. She delivers things in such a perfect amount of gravitas. Oh, that is so nice.

You do. Do you know one time I wrote in an email? I... I don't know why she... You love this story. Because what? Okay. Someone he wrote like, can you be here for this?

And I, and I wrote back, oh, no, I can't. I will be away. Yes. And Louise texted me. I will be away. Obsessed. And I said, what? Louise is a gay man.

Luis is a gay man. Louise is a gay man. Totally. What did you do today on our call? And I called you out for it? He, so we're going over this campaign and they're showing him a cardboard cut out of himself. And he's like, oh my God. there's going to be a cardboard cutout.

I love that. That's so cool. What's the photo? And I texted him. I said, I showed you the cardboard cutout for approval. Do you remember? And he says, oh my God, you guys, Louise just side texted me. Like, do you remember?

In front of like 20 people. That is the second time I've done that in the span of two weeks. He keeps doing that. I text him on the side like, hey, reminder. Like, don't. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was doing an interview the other day. Louise, like, was texting me.

like stuff and I said, Louise stopped texting me. And then I texted her today. I said, you're not safe when you side text me in these situations. Yeah. The cutout thing, he was like, it made it seem like I lied that he had approved it. Oh, I'm sorry. So I was like, no, I promise. He's had eyes on this.

So then how in the future are you going to let him know about something like in a sidebar without potentially having your spot getting? To be honest, I'm probably just going to continue. doing exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Gay man and a woman's body. Totally. But you need to be better about not saying,

oh my God, Louise just texted me. No, it's funny. Yeah, he likes it. I love it. And you know who was on the call which made it all the better? Who?

Paul Burganti. Oh, Paul. My king of all kings. Bowen, I love you. I love you. Thank you for coming on therapists. Thank you for having me.

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