Therapuss with Jake Shane - Session 127: Malcolm Todd

Episode Date: June 12, 2026

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Welcome. Hi, Jake. Last time I saw you was at Coachella. Yeah. Love Coachella. Did you have fun? It was cool. Honestly, after Coachella, I didn't talk to anyone for three weeks.

Why? What? Because it was, I think, too many handshakes. It, like, took the energy drained out of me from all the like, you know, have you met this guy? And it's like, hey, what's up? I'm Malcolm. And it's like, you're never going to remember my name. I'm never going to remember your name.

It's kind of disheartening. I did that to you. Yeah, but I remember you. No, but I did that to you. like introduced you to. Oh yeah for sure and of course it's that's a part of the culture of it but it's just like I think the music was great had a lot of like would you see I saw um my favorite act was turnstile you know what I'm sad I miss them yeah I just kind of happened to stumble upon them and I don't really listen to turn style and it was like the best it was like spiritual and beautiful and and it was

cool to discover live music or like music through a live performance that's my favorite favorite thing. Yeah, which I didn't know I loved that. And now, now I'm like, oh, wait, I need to do this more. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Are you, that's the only time that's ever happened to you? Yeah. I saw LCD sound system and I hadn't really listened to them.

I heard a few songs, but I hadn't really listened to them in depth, and I saw them live, and that was the other time, and that's it. Do you want to tell me about those flip-flops? Yeah, they're actually my friend's brand. Okay. Yeah, my friend Evan makes them, but I've just been. like really flipping and flopping with my shoes. Do you like how when you,

do you like when you walk and it makes the like, I guess I don't really realize it. Is it like SpongeBob when he walks and it's like, yeah, I'm down to have a sound effect with my walk. Then people can know when I'm coming. You haven't noticed a sound effect with those flip flops. Those flip flops look like they spring back on your heel. They totally do.

I actually just thought I was rocking these other flip flaps and then I put these on the day. These are kind of like my like, I'm kind of showing out for you. Oh, you are? Yeah. Well, you know I called Audrey about this.

She told me. Oh, she did? Well, she did. Well, of course. Well, of course. It's like when you're telling me something, you're telling my sister's type of beat. Are you guys best friends?

Yeah. Of course. Some aren't. No, it's true. Actually, I feel like most aren't for some reason. It feels like siblings don't get along as they should. But she told me you're great at basketball.

That's what she told me. She said like, She was like, I told him to ask you about basketball. I was like, I don't know why she said that too. I'm okay. She said you'd be, you loved basketball. I love basketball. I still love it.

And did you play in high school? My claim to fame with basketball on high school is that I didn't play on the team. I played baseball. Quit to like try theater, which is another story. But like, anyways, didn't play on the basketball team. But in senior year, they were doing a three-on. on three, like, school-wide basketball tournament. And, like, the players on the team would play in it.

And I took two of my friends that weren't on the team, and we won, the whole thing. And you guys had not played basketball. Yeah, we weren't, like, on the team, but we played basketball, but we weren't, like, on the team and making it our whole personality. And then we won. And we're the people that were on the team so embarrassed. Yeah. And I have this hole in my jeans, and I'm just like, yeah, that's just the right amount of real estate. Well, I would assume you're wearing underwear.

You would assume. I would hope so I am Do you know anyone that just like Raw Dog's pants? Asher Cartman Who? Oh,

from South Park? No, no, no, no. Asher Carman, my... Oh, that's Eric Cartman. Eric Cartman, no, Asher Carman's one of my best friends and he's in my band and I just totally blew his shit up,

but yeah, he... I mean, he seems to probably blow his own shit up. Yeah, no, he's nuts. He's like, he's amazing. You'd love him. Well, he's kind of love or hate him. Really? Yeah.

Some people say that about me. Okay. I think it's a very, like, it's a high integrity quality. Oh my God, tell me more. Also, it's so hot in here. No, it was so cold outside. No, it was so cold outside in the waiting room or in the outside? Like, of the world outside.

Both. Okay, because it just started getting hot in the real world outside. I know. Which was really random because it was gloomy as F. You're on the east side now? East Side King. Do you love the East Side? Someone's got to hold it down over there.

I feel like a lot. what people are holding it down i know i know uh i like the east side but i grew up on the west side where'd you grow up jrork where in new york washington heights is that from in the heights yeah yeah is that the play you were in when you tried theater no audrey was in it though they did that when i was like in eighth grade and she was in she was in junior or something what play did you do when you tried theater i did it was called something rotten do you remember any of it i was in the troop i was in the ensemble and I danced around and it was like I love the musical I actually saw the musical on Broadway too before they

and we were the first high school production of it ever wow thanks um but it was cool you remember any of the songs um yeah it was like what's that coming on da da da it's called like the black plague it was the song I sang I didn't even it wasn't even a solo I would imagine because you were in the trip because I was in a freaking Yeah, it wasn't a one-man troop, sadly. I would have been down for it to be a one-man troupe. Do you smoke weed? No, I haven't in like five years.

Were you a big stoner in high school? Well, yeah, I just, like, was smoking weed, like, sophomore year of high school, like, all the time. And then I realize that's not my swag. And I don't, I swear to God I'll never smoke weed ever again in my life. I freaked out. Wait, why? Because it just, like, doesn't mesh well with my brain at all. And it made me very freaking weird.

Yeah. Yeah. It clearly is like four people and not for people. And if it's not for you, like, it's not for you. And it's not for me. It's definitely not for me, but I love it. Okay. So you'll, like, explain.

Like, it's like for me, like, you know how people are like, I love like a glass of wine at the end of the day? Sure. I love just like smoking a little bit at the end of the day. Just laying down. So it makes my mind work. Yeah, there you go. Well, then after those 10 minutes, because that only last 10 minutes.

That whole experience is only 10 minutes. After those 10 minutes, it's downhill. Really bad. Like, just like freaking out about stuff. Yeah, then the next day I'm still freaking out, like today was just tears. Tears. Mm-hmm. Interesting.

Does it make you like kind of cloudy? Mm-hmm. Always. Okay, so, well, better be a good fucking 10 minutes. It's the best 10 minutes of all time. I do my best work in those 10 minutes. Good for you. Yeah.

I think, I don't think it's worth it. I wouldn't. It sounds like a nightmare. It is. Okay. That's how I would describe my life. Okay, a nightmare. That's cute.

Malcolm. You still in the nightmare? No, no. When's your birthday? I'm a Virgo on September 15th, 2003. So are you like super controlling? No, I think everyone wants control to a certain extent, but I don't think I would be over-controlling. But, you know.

I like being in charge. You know? Do you like being in control? On a night out, no. I like somebody to make the plan. You tell me where we're going. Sure. I feel you, feel you.

Like, set it up. I don't want to pay. Yeah, for sure. It's way easier to be told what to do. And you don't have to bear the consequences of having made the decision in case that, you know. It's like so easy to be like, oh, I don't care. I'm easy. And then like, if it's not fun, you'll be like, no, this is fun.

instead of like if you made the decision and it's not fun you're like I'm so sorry like I fucked it all up I wouldn't do the second part I'd be like what you guys chose to follow me so okay right you should make more decisions for yourself you sound like you have that setting I hate pressure pressure pressure makes diamonds you haven't heard I haven't heard that I haven't heard that I like pressure oh pressure makes diamonds I love that yeah how naughty I love that do you like pressure a little more now yeah I do it makes it make it make it hmm So isn't one of your songs sampled in a Don Tolliver song? Yeah, it's called chest pain.

I love, I love. Ah! Yeah. That's E85! Yeah. E85. And then now I guess, yeah, I don't know when this comes out. Probably not in the next three days, but I'm about to go.

On tour. Yeah, I'm about to go on tour. And then before I go on tour, I'm going to go and play that song with him in New York. Shut it. Yeah. in like a few days. Are you so excited? Yeah, I'm just going to go up and play the guitar and shred and like, I love it.

I don't have to talk. I just get to hold the guitar and look handsome. It's like the dream of all dreams. And be next to Don Tolliver. What? Where are you doing this? Madison Square Garden. Wow.

Is he going to be like, and Malcolm Todd? I don't know. I'm down to just like totally slide in there and like not even make a peep. Like if you know who I am, then it's really exciting for you. And if you don't, I'm just in the band. I kind of like that vibe more. But he can say my name. Say my name.

So how'd you find out that, well, I guess they would have asked if they could sample it? Yeah. They sent it to me like a long time ago. And I was like, this was really good. And then I didn't hear anything about it for so long. And then they were like, it's track one on the album. And I was like, well, that's really cool. And now it's like this huge song.

And I'm very honored to be a part of it. And Don, Don Tolliver's so good. So good. The new album is amazing. Yeah, yeah, I love it. Are you excited for your new album? Super excited. I love making music.

I love singing it. Love playing it for people. Fricking live in the dream. Mm-hmm. You and Audrey are the same person. Yeah. Do you get that a lot? Yeah.

Yeah, we're pretty similar. She was on this podcast. Yeah. How much screen time, have you, off-screen time, have you gotten with Audrey? Not enough. Not enough. We were just talking about it. Not enough.

Yeah, you guys would probably have a blast. Yeah, we were on FaceTime for a while. the other day. I didn't want to get off. Maybe she could plan one of your nights out. Does she, does she enjoy planning nights out? I don't think it's like one of her, like, I don't think it revs her engine, but I think she could do a good job. You know what I'm saying?

Well, Malcolm, what are you therapists about today? Dude, I'm therapist about my freaking Instagram getting deactivated. Yeah, how did that happen? I don't know, dude. I don't know what I did. It's like, hopefully, hopefully when I step out of this room, I have my Instagram. I'm back, but it's been too long. Is it eating you alive a little bit? No, because I trust.

I trust. I just trust. It's okay. And I still have my legs and my arms and my heart, so it's okay. Wow. But what the fuck? No, it's like, I can tell that you're thinking about it. Well, I'm just there pissed about it.

Yeah. I get that. Because I don't, A, I don't know what I did. Did this just happen like five seconds? This happened last night. I had, I, I think, was. landed night. I shot a video yesterday, cook some food for, like, some of the people that worked on the set. And then we, like, had some drinks, and then I'm laying down. I was like,

what a great night. Try to open Instagram. And they're like, mm-mm. No. And so, and then I, like, immediately text, like, three people in the middle of the night. And I'm, like, Code Red. So it's, like, the hub of all media for me. Like, can I get this back? And it still haven't gotten it back since, like, whatever, midnight last night. And I just want to know why. And I just want to know why. Why and when I get it back. I'm just curious. Do you use TikTok at all? It's not the same.

It's not the same. It's like I have TikTok is for like, yeah, Instagram was an art piece. I kind of agree. For sure. Are you a dumper? Mm-mm. No, I'm like one, I'm like one, two picks. Mm-hmm.

Yeah, dumper. Like I'm a dump. I'm a fan of dumps. You can quote me on that. But, but my intentionality isn't in all the dump. What about you? You're a dump. I'm a dumper.

Yeah. As of late. Feels good. It just makes me feel cool. You probably just have too many good photos where you're like, I can't just like. Well, no, you have to go out of your way to take them. Yeah. You have to be like, ooh, that's for a now.

You don't have like people just fall like just nailing photos of you all the time. You need to get one of those people. You think I'm like a streamer? No, no, no. God forbid. I think, I think just like one of the home, like, I have my cousin and like I can just be like, I won't feel, because I feel really bad. asking people to take pictures of me, I feel like really uncomfortable. But I found my person where I can be like, take a picture of me.

I want to look cute. And it's your cousin? Yeah. And he's my best friend and also my assistant. Is that him? In there, yeah, Jackson. Jackson, you're his cousin? Yeah.

Oh, that's sweet. He's also, we share the same middle name. What's your middle name? Todd. Oh my god, my middle name, Shane. Anyways. Okay, so you're not a dumper. Not a dumper.

Your Instagram's deactivated. Don't remember. behind me. Yeah. Yours is activated, though. Oh, I mean, I wouldn't be here if it was deactivated. I know. I feel like I'm feeling it pretty cool.

Julian. I know you care a lot more about it than you're leading on. No, I care a bunch about it. I just like, what is like me like freaking out going to do? Oh, please. I can't hear that right now. It's true. Because Louise is nodding her head and I just don't even want to look at her right now.

Speak on that. Expand. I'm just freaking like, if it's meant to be, it's meant to be. And if it's not meant to be, then me and God are going to have a talk later. Are you religious? No, not really. I mean, I believe in a higher power.

Yeah. Well, I take it all to Hashem. Cool. Who's he? He's Jewish God. Okay, cool. And like, there's the sinus rinse in New York called Hashem's rinse. And so me and my friends will be like, oh, my God, take a rinse.

And how do you sign us rinse? You don't mind me asking. Oh, you just... So, like, right now, like, Peyton and I are like... Oh, it's so it's not... I was treating this as like a bathhouse scenario. No, we're not actually rinsing. We're just like, oh my God, take a rinse.

Okay. It's like take a lap. Okay, take a rins. Take a rins. Okay, take a rins. I love this. Who's his friend? It's all my friends.

Oh, it's all your friends. Yeah. A lot of friends, yeah. Do you feel like you have too many sometimes? You know I used to, actually. When I was, when I was like 20, when I was Jackson's age, I felt that I had a lot of, I was spreading myself a little thin. Yeah.

It's, yeah, I think that was like the Coachella effect. You know, like, it's just like the too many people. It's like, we can't, this can't be harnessed, you know? Well, Coachella's like not, like. Yeah. Actually, I would say for the first time, have you been to Coachella before? That was my first time. The first time always kind of sucks.

It was also my first time at a music festival that I didn't play. Like, and I was just in the mix, like, kicking it. Did you party after? Yeah, I partied. Well, I would like to get your opinion on streamers because you had an almost visceral reaction to them when I brought them up. Yeah. I don't watch or partake, but I am interested in the culture.

Yeah, it freaks me. I don't know. I don't know. Like, do I get canceled for saying I don't get streamers? No, I don't get it. And what bugs me out about it is that if you meet them, IRL, they're always streaming. It's like a Black Mirror episode. Yeah, it's really scary.

Yeah. Do you know how much money they make, though? A lot of money. A lot. They are like TV for a certain generation of kids. Like, that's TV. you know like when's i don't know i don't want to get too

into the weeds about it but it is that that's like that's like late night television to literally don't quote me on that because i love late night do you yeah it's like funny and they tell jokes and there's musicians and i like

i love like jimmy fallon and um jimmy kimmo and all the jimmy jimmy johnson what's your favorite sandwich because i said jimmy johns I've been off sandwiches right now, but I just really have been because I'm just like not eating bread like that. Oh, or you want a diet?

I'm on a diet. What's your diet? Dude, Airwan. You ride for Airwan. Yeah, just let me go through it. Okay. It's my first time living, so I'm just trying to eat as much air one as I can. But it's just, I feel like it's just healthy and taste good.

and it's simple. How excited are you for the Don't Oliver thing? Do you guys text? You and Don? Yeah, we've DM'd a bit. I haven't met him, so I'm excited to go link him. And, yeah, just, like, being on stage and just, like, playing the guitar and being, like, just a part of the band and not really, like, kind of being a little piece of the puzzle sounds lit.

And that Massachusetts Square Garden is cool. Right. It is very cool. Yeah. Right. The Knicks play basketball there. Back to basketball. Oh, yeah.

See, are you a Nick, or you would be a Lakers fan? Yeah. I just love that. NBA. I don't even, I just, I'm just here for it all. Who's your favorite player? I love Anthony Edwards. What team is he on? The Timberwolves. And that's Chicago. Yeah,

no. That's Minnesota. You were close. Really close, actually. Geographically. You like geography? I'm bad at geography. I'm really bad. I bet you I'm worse. I bet you I'm worse. How can we, how can we test it? Actually, what's your worst? What is your most embarrassing geography thing? Because I'll tell you mine. You have to go first because you are

I thought Florida was at the top of the map. Until I was It's like the bottom Yes But you're just looking at it upside down your whole wife No I just thought it went New York, Florida, L.A. And that was it

One time I got food poisoning in Florida Eating an artichoke at Houston's You call it Houston's Because people call it Hillstone I'm so sorry Are we not? Are you being serious? Houston's and Hillstone's like the same thing

Yeah but it's like I went two-way Houston's Yeah, but people call it Hillstone Had I gone to a Hillstone I would have called it Hillstone But that's the same thing They're the same owners Oh but they're not the same exact thing

I thought it was just like No you want to know why it's a little different Everything's a little different It's because if you're You hit a requirement for being a chain You have to show calories And their things are so calorie heavy That they don't want to show you

That's why I feel like shit every time I eat at Hillstone I had it I had SBG for lunch today Oh yeah which is the same fucking thing Which is next to Honor Bar Yeah yeah yeah And then there's R&D Kitchen. And then there's Hillstone. And then there's Houston.

This is a Black Mirror episode. It's Honor Bar, R&D Kitchen, Hillstone, Houston's, South Beverly Grill. And they all have the spinach dip. Sorry, trigger word. It's just like, that's what I had. And I had a whole artichoke. Oh, my God. Seriously, I don't think I can ever look at.

Oh, I had the artichoke last time I was there, too, in New York. Did you enjoy it? I didn't. How you get food poisoning? Yeah, it was fine. I had a panic attack because of my food poisoning, and they had to pump me up with, like, Like, something.

Like chill out. Yeah. I was throwing up Pepto-Bismol, like straight pink. Last time I got food poisoning, I had sweet green, and I threw up 13 times. What? And if I had thrown up the 14th time, I was going to the hospital. Wait, wait. What protein did you have that caused this?

It was either some fucked up romaine, or it was the chicken. Really? Isn't that E. coli? Literally. I was like, this might be it for me. You know, one time I had baby polio? As opposed to grown up polio? What's the day?

It's like polio Jr. So I got up in bed and I remember getting up out of bed and I went to go stand up and fell to the floor and I couldn't walk for an entire week. And everyone was like, oh yeah, that's like mini polio. And so it's just in your legs where you're like coughing and like did you have like anything? I just couldn't walk. Just couldn't walk. Cool. And then my parents were like, you can, if you walk to us, we'll take you to, uh,

twin boots what's it called two boots six and they were like if you walk to us out of your like little uh not uh what's not soldier um stroller yeah you can get pizza and i got up and i walked and then how long did the polio last just a week yeah can you fact check me on this on baby polio i swear it's a thing reminds you like baby mario baby polio yeah it's it a thing lou i swear i'm right i mean it they just call it Polio? No, but if I had polio, I would have been in a whole thing.

Sounded like a bit of a thing. Just as polio is a highly contagious viral disease primarily affects children. Your parents just told you was baby polio, so you didn't freak out. I did have polio. Sounds like you just needed to hit legs a few more days. Do you remember when I had polio as a child? What?

Fuck that. No, you didn't have polio. Oh, you did? No, what you had was something kids get where they are on a... to walk for like three or four days. Yeah, it was weird and fucking scary, but it wasn't polio.

Yeah. But I thought you said it was like polio Jr. No, I forgot what it was called. I mean, you can Google it. It's a temporary... Paralization. Yeah, where kids can't use their legs, and I forgot what...

I mean, it was freaky. I remember you pulling yourself across the floor. I mean, it was nuts. I had totally forgotten about that. Jesus Christ. Okay, love you I love you Yeah, I told you

Polio Jr. Had it. It's not a thing. It's okay, well, I'm... It was so scary, you guys. You're brave. No, I'm brave. I got scurvy the last week. I'm just like, bringing up

like old diseases. I would literally, if you actually told me you had scurvy right now, I would actually... No, it's scabies that kill me. Don't even say that. Skabie. Have you ever had lice?

Yeah, I had lice one time when I was a kid. But I always... always buzzed my head so it was chill now if I had lice knock on freaking wood that's not wood that would suck because I like my hair like I was so down I was like oh what another buzz cut sure but now I'm like buzz cut I don't want that right now have ever had bed bugs no why are you lying because no my friend did but I wasn't going to blast them zip zip oh my mom my mom had bug bug bugs once she got it she got traveling and she was really pissed and I wasn't there the whole time but

every time I'd call her and be like, how's it going? Should just be like these fucking bedbugs. I'm going to freak out. It holds a way. Even though it's not technically your fault, like once you have bedbugs, you're the villain.

You think so? It's like, it's like in the Spider-Man movie when like he becomes venom. It's just like he can't get it off of him. And like you're still mad at him, but it's not his fault. What's your favorite movie?

I'm Spider-Man. No, I'm just kidding. It's like probably Goodwill Hunting or elf. Or Nemo. What do you love about Nemo? Well, it's a childhood movie, and I've seen it so many times, and I love the father-son relationship between Marlon and Nemo. And it's just a perfect movie.

It's just like... Do you have a favorite quote? They're in this whale, and Dory and Marlon are hanging on to the taste buds of this whale. They're trying to, like, escape. And, you know, ignorant but beautiful old Dory is telling Marlon is telling Marlon, like, you have to, like, you have to, like, go if you want to leave this whale to keep finding Nemo, like you have to let go. And then, like, she just yells at him and she's like,

you have to let go. And he's, like, controlling over Nemo. And that's why, like, he left and it's this whole, like, dynamic. And Dory, in such a pure sense, is, like, you just have to let go if you want to, like, give further and, like, let this evolve. And he, like, takes it in the sense of, like, you have to let go

of Nemo, and it's just beautiful. Pixar movies are the best. I remember watching that that scene in Marine Bio, class first period senior year and I had a mask on because I was in school with a mask. Yeah, and I had to put my mask over my face because I was tearing up. Tell me about what high school was like in COVID. Well, it's like a whole year, my whole junior year, I was online the entire time, not going.

Because it was like, it was Zoom school, you know, like no one went to the campus. Were you just miserable? No, I was just like learning how to play the guitar and going on. bike rides and like honestly panicking a little bit because of the weed that I had this like whole month where I like was very hazy because of like I was smoking too much weed and but anyways I was chilling I was like learning how to play music and and taking bike rides and like at school was so easy and they couldn't hold you accountable for anything like how do you tell a kid to show up like I'd be like my camera's broken I can't can't be on the class and it's like what are you going to

fucking go to my house and check my computer camera and so every kid did that and they're like what camera's broken so Sorry. And I would go play the guitar. While you were in class. I was kind of like what I did in college a bit. Yeah. Did you go out?

Did you have like? Yeah. Yeah. It was easy to cheat. So easy. Are you a cheater? No. Have you ever cheated?

Uh-uh. Have you ever been cheated on? Mm-mm. I hope not. That would, that would, I'm, I'm big on the golden rule. Treat others how you want to be treated. So. It's, it is.

It's the golden rule. It's the golden rule, so I don't cheat. And because if someone cheated on me, I would be so incredibly hurt. Have you ever wanted to cheat? Well, I've never been in the position to be able to cheat. You've never had a freaking relationship? No.

What? Your catch, man. Oh, my God. I did not think that that's the direction that was going in. Thank you so much. Yeah. Tell me about your writing process. I just like play.

on the guitar and hum until I'm like moved or I'll have a or I'll hear like a line or like think of a line and try to build around that it's kind of just like you know yeah just kind of like struming my guitar and then sometimes it's that sometimes it's just like banging on like bunch of synths whatever inspires me and then I just follow it until it's over so my favorite song of yours is roommates oh so did that start like with the little riff on the guitar yeah it did I remember I played it I still have it somewhere on my phone I played it into my like headphones on my iPhone garage band and just like demoed it out and then I went on a walk and then I like always forget after I make a riff I leave and then I come back and I like hear it for the first time again because I don't really remember what it was and then I was like oh this is good and then I went out to my backyard and wrote the whole song you just it just flowed out of just listening to it on my phone very musical family yeah yeah for you have a because you discovered you wanted to do pursue music when you were like 16 yeah taught yourself guitar so what was the plan before that I don't know, I was really into writing, something creative, you know.

I was just, like, down to just, like, be creative and, and, like, dress like, Joseph Gordon Levitt from 10 Things I Hate About You and go to high school and just, like, be cute and be into art. You know, I've never seen that movie. What? Yeah. What are you waiting for? I don't know. I'm a TV guy.

Do you watch TV? You watch TV? I would say more of a movie guy, but I feel uncultured in most things. Do you watch any TV right now? Right now? No, I mean, I'm watching Euphoria. No, I can't because it's a big spoiler, and I opened Twitter and saw it first thing today. Okay, yeah, and I'm so off that side of, like, I don't see shit about Euphoria, so it's sick.

Do you ever check Twitter? I don't have Twitter. Twitter created Vine. I like Vine. How old were you when Vine was, I think? Fifth grade. Oh, so you loved Vine. Yeah, it was hilarious.

What you love, like, Hurricane Tortilla. Yeah, all of it. Yeah. Every time. Yeah, like, there was guys who just, like, created, like, had, like, a skit culture, like Casey Frye. Like, I know the name. Yeah, like, he's like, um, what did he do?

Like, Nick Coletti. Like, you don't know these guys? I know the name. Yeah, it's like, these just like, and they're still funny. Like, they do like stand up, whatever, but like, they just got, in seven seconds, they made me laugh out loud. And, like, we're witty about it all in seven seconds. And it's just like.

It is a hard medium to do that. Yeah, but I mean, they really went short. Like, they almost like were ahead of their time where they're like, we're going to make this so quick to consume. Yeah, and then it went away forever. Yeah, and now we have TikTok. Did TikTok launch your career? Yeah, I mean, TikTok is like, to me, that's like the hub.

Like, like, I see that as like, that's just like where so much stuff is consumed. And so, like, that's just like, like, it's like saying, like, did, like, radio or like back in the day. It's like, how did your career launch? It's like, they, like, played your songs in the radio. It's like they just play your songs on TikTok, and that's how, like, anyone hears it apparently. but yeah no I for sure am viral on TikTok yes super viral it was for roommates

yeah roommates blew up roommates blew up in chest pain and sweet boy were you nervous to put those out at all no I was like I downloaded TikTok to put them out I was like this is purely a swallow your pride

throw shit at the wall see what sticks like vibe and I was totally comfortable in that. I wasn't like going around being like guys I'm like big on TikTok or like go check on my TikToks. I was just like I hope like a bunch of random people see this and it blows up and then my

Instagram is kind of for like this is me. Oh how's that going? Your Instagram is it activated yet? Julian? Do you have any answer as to why? Working on it. You're like low-key bugging about it. It's just like what?

Sometimes I pretend I have fake eyelashes. Real. I do that. Luis, have you ever caught me doing that? If I get stressed out, I go, I go like that. I also go like this. But I do it like in a very serious way.

That's so funny because what are you doing? Yeah, exactly. I'll fake eyelashes. I'll fake chew gum. Do you have any nervous tics that you do? No, just general tics, yes. But we can move on from that as well. Do you want to know what I'm therapist about today?

Sure. Okay. I'm a therapist about the fact that... You didn't have an answer before this. I guess I don't have an answer. I guess my therapist lately has been teaching me to do, palms up. What the fuck does that do? It's just like, palms up.

Like, you leave it to essentially Hashem. Like, like, pinky up. No, pinky up is like a mindset. Palms up is like in action. Do you notice everything going on in the world? There's a little... Okay, I have this too. I do this in the shower.

But I just, instead of palms up, it's let the water run over your head and listen to the drops of water. Oh, wow. What are you drinking on? Celsius and a punch pop poppy that I haven't opened yet. But like the, okay, anyways, Celsius, like, if I drink that Celsius, I think, like, it would be bad. Like, I think I'd be. You've never had to do it on tour before. You've never had to drink caffeine.

No, like, no, sometimes I'll have, like, a sip of Dr. Pepper before I get on stage. I know, I'm crazy. but no like the whole like I was actually I was recording my album and it was like it was like the last week and we had to really get it done and it was like 2 a.m. And I knew I had to be up till 6 am. And I had like a quarter of a Red Bull, maybe like a half. I luck with Red Bull. Dude, it tastes it so good, but I was freaking out for a while.

That's my drink at a bar. Rebel vodka. Yeah. Does that not just get you just like jacked? Bless you. Jackson. I knew that was you. It was Jackson.

Jackson, was that you? Someone fess, all right, whatever Be honest, fuck We should bring Jackson Jackson, you can come in Jackson, come in for like, can we just do a quick section? Do you want to come sit? Go sit for a sec

Come, throw, sit. You guys are best friends? Yeah. Do you guys want to play the game where you two have to say the same word at the same time? Sure, sure. Okay, one.

Also, do you think we sound the same? Yeah, how do you guys know each other besides being cousins? That's how we know. other yeah we're family okay I'm okay let's just do it quick ready one two three okay oh okay oh well now it's quite easy huh um oh yeah yeah one two three color oh what'd you say color color you said orange and you said basketball and you

couldn't get to the Knicks Oh. Okay. Color and basketball? Start again. Wait, wait, no, no, no. We can do it was color and basketball? No, you can't.

That's not the rules of the game. Okay, yes, sir. One, two, three. Broccoli. Football, broccoli? Okay. Okay. One, two, three.

Fitness. Oh, I feel you. Wait, what did you say? Fitness. You said big green egg? Yeah. Okay. Oh, I know where I'd go with this.

I think you know where you'd go Okay ready Okay Three two one steak Who are you I was gonna go meal prep I've been doing that Right you've been talking about

Yeah well because I'm doing air one but like because the air one got a little out of hand Just like Financially It's just ridiculous I love air one but like that that for me every day It's just I was like okay maybe I can split So half the week I'm doing meal prep and her having someone like do it for wage like much more sustainable prices and like cook it for me

and I just defrost it and eat it are you sustainable as much as the next guy oCD things I have to recycle I'm OCD you have OCD yeah do you have like actual OCD yeah yes oh me too what's your OCD uh manifest in like little uh ticks and like rituals me too my gosh my shit's crazy my shit's crazy too I've been getting I'm in a good pocket or not on wood dude are you on meds no I'm ever done them, but I've been in therapy for it since I was like eight. Yeah. They've been trying to put me on meds for it forever. I know.

This is the most I've ever talked about my OCD. Oh, we don't have to talk about it. No, it's totally fine. Let's just see where it goes. Okay. Okay. Well, I am on meds and in therapy for it, but I skip therapy for it every week. Nice.

Do you do like the exposure therapy? Yeah. Like, I used to not, well, I don't know if I want to tell you because I feel like, do you know when someone tells you their OCD and then you catch it? No, I, I, I won't. Okay. So I can tell you. tell you.

Yeah. Like, I used to not be able to, like, add songs to playlists. Mm, this is so classic. Like,

I would have to do it four different times. Mm. And then what else? I have something crazy with my phone right now. Right now it's been manifesting on my phone.

Uh-huh. And it's so annoying because you're on your, I'm on my phone so much. And it's just so funny. It's like, I'll be able to, like, kill a tick.

And then it'll come back like 10 times stronger and a new tick. Yeah. Damn. Yeah. I'm like, I thought I had you. And now a sudden I didn't even realize,

but it's on my phone a lot right now with like dude's so weird but like every time I'm like if I'm scrolling like if I'm scrolling a song on Spotify the bottom like song has to line up to where there's no up of the line show I tell yes yeah

when I take a screenshot the little thingy that like scrolls up and down the little navigator bar has to disappear and if I take a screenshot I have to delete it and then I can't take a new screenshot until that photo is deleted out of my recently deleted yeah and right now putting on my shoes right now as like a movie.

Yeah, same with me in showering. It's just impossible. Oh my gosh. It took me, it took me, it took me so long to get out of the shower.

I had to, I had to, I had to really work on that one. Yeah. If there's like a little bit of soap on me, I have to restart the shower and do my whole thing again.

Dude, and faucets, kill me. How do they kill you? They have to turn on at the same, if it's ever two faucets at the same time, like a hot and a cold.

They have to turn on at the same time. And go off at the same time. And if it's like a boom, start over. Or do you have magical thinking where you think something bad's going to happen? Oh, God, we're low-key, more similar than I anticipated. This has been OCD talk. Well, you know, a lot of people don't talk about it.

It's like, it's intense as hell. And it's like, I don't even want to, do you get triggered by when people are like, oh, I'm so OCD about this? Yeah, I get really angry. It's like, just in my head, I'm like, you'll never know. It's okay. Well, because people didn't believe me in high school. And it was very frustrating because I'm very messy. I'm a messy eater.

I'm messy. I just like my whole life is messy. Oh, my gosh, we are similar. I think we are too. And I, people would be like, you don't have OCD because you're so fucking messy. And I'd be like, no, I think I do have OCD because I googled it. And this is what came out. Yeah.

I've never been more sure of something. That's how I feel as well. And you've had it since you were, I've had it since I was like seven. Yeah, same. Literally my whole lot. Like, like, remember your first ritual ever. I remember, dude, yeah. I remember being like in, I remember playing football in my cul-de-sac and being like, if I do this,

this is going to happen. Yes. And then nailing it and being like, that's how the world, and then that was the rest of my life. Yep. Mine was, I started to touch things evenly, and then I was like, and if I touch it evenly, good things will happen.

Mm-hmm. I think I was in the pool. Yeah, it's like very, like, very, like, childish stuff where you're like so, like, oh, this is, so, let's make so much sense, and now it's, like, cut to us. And actually, the first time I ever saw it portrayed was on girls, on HBO, when Hannah has an OCD episode. You should watch girls.

Yeah, Audrey loves that show. It's the best show of all time. She thinks Adam Driver is the one. Really? He's so hot. Just because of that show. He's so hot. I'm like, I see him in some other things and I'm like, he's the one.

But apparently he's like so great in that show. He was in the army. Uh-huh. Yes, I did know he was in the army. And then he did girls. Well, he did tiny furniture, her first short film. And then she... And they did girls.

Yeah. Do you have a favorite song of your sisters? And you can't say Phoebe just because you covered it. Okay. Well, that is my favorite one. But then I also love... I love Silver Jubilee. I cried to Silver Jubilee like almost every time I listen to it.

It's so funny. I like, have this most... I'm like when she goes, I'm going to tell my sister your secrets. I just like, why do you think that is? Because that's my sister she's talking about and I believe her. Because she does tell her all this fucking secrets. And I just, I'm like, I know her.

Oh, that's so sweet. It's super sweet. That album is one of my favorite albums of all time. Yeah, same. It's fucking insanely good. It's like actually, we talked about it in my last episode, how good it is. She'll never top that. I'm just kidding.

Yo, she absolutely will. No, she will trust. I see, I'm seeing, I'm seeing, as you will top all your previous. work with your upcoming album do that again out June 5th out June 5th what's your favorite song off the album it just switches all the time but I think right now I really love the song do that again it's the title track and what else maybe the one called Obsessica you have a song called Obsessica yeah what's it about are you lying it's about being obsessed

girls and you just called it Obsessica yeah because there's like this bit at the end of the song where like I just start like rattling off girls names and it's like Jessica Rebecca you low key rap sometimes yeah loki do you have a freestyle I wouldn't make you do that now because it would make me uncomfortable but yeah it's the most uncomfortable thing ever to yeah I don't often freestyle and if I do like I just like throw in like a quick line and then step back out I'm not like and fucking also like

And he's like totally killing the vibe. And also just like, I think that's a thing as like just in like boy culture. Like dudes being like dude just lighten up and like freestyle with the boys in the car. Like that's the last thing I've ever related to. Like feel like I, what I love is like methodically writing a rap very well thought out and sharing it with your friends. Oh, you're like a smart, a smart. Yeah, we're like all with my friends sometimes like will all. all like, we'll, like, make a groove, and then we'll all, like, write our own verses and,

like, share them with each other. And, like, that's fun to me. But, like... Oh, my God, you guys are, like, all, like, a little, like, creative little... Yeah. I have, like, all little creative friends. Oh, my God, that's so amazing. It's awesome.

It reminds me of, like, Joni Mitchell and all her friends in, like, the 60s. Yeah, they all... Like, a good portion of them, like, dressed like that, too, and it's a little funny to me. So, you're, like, Johnny Mitchell. Yeah. I'll be Johnny. Uh-huh. The Laurel Canyon vibes.

Yeah. Have you ever heard the Our House demo? With Joni? Yeah. Oh, I have. It's amazing. That's one of my favorite songs of all time. Our house?

Yeah. I covered it on tour with those friends I'm talking about who are also in my day. Wow, how beautiful is that? Yeah. So I am curious, like, after, upon meeting Jackson, what does he do for you? He is, I mean, obviously, first and foremost, he's my cousin and my brother. Okay. I love that.

But he's also a stellar assistant. And he goes everywhere with me and makes sure that I have my head screwed on straight and make sure that everything's running smoothly and helps me with stuff that I need to take off my plate. You know, like... So an assistant, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So do you know about the tell me what's wrongs?

No. So the pussy's right in. And they tell us what's wrong. And honestly? I would love to hear your take on some of these. Let's go. My sister-in-law wants to do her gender reveal the day after I get married. I think it's actually insane to do it the day after our wedding that we are all driving five plus hours to and from.

There are so many other days to choose from. Am I being insensitive, bitch? What should I do? Her reasoning is that all of our family is still in town by then. That's what I was going to say. That's super valid, actually. I was going to say that. I was like, if she wants to do it when everyone's in.

town. That kind of makes sense. Have you ever been to a gender reveal? Is that something you go to? Yeah, they're so fun. No. They're literally my favorite thing ever.

Oh, yeah, no. When I was an assistant, I planned... Oh, tell me about your assistant. Jackson's listening. He could maybe learn a few things. Well, I was an assistant. Yeah, tell me about it. I realized I actually didn't plan my boss's gender reveal because I wasn't an assistant

at that point, but I planned to the engagement party. And I blacked out. at the engagement party. Blacked out. I've never blacked out in my life. Ever? It's horrible. It's the worst thing ever.

You wake up and you're like, what happened, but I haven't blacked out in a minute. Okay, good. I like that. Black, you know,

I just feel like I couldn't, like, that's just so, like, you not knowing what happened. Like, I can't imagine, like,

someone being invested in you, and being like, what happened, Jake, and you're like, I don't know, and you, like,

it's the worst thing ever, but in college, it's like, very big part of the culture blacking out. can not remember anything. If I was this girl, I'd be like maybe you can wait like a day after, well, actually,

yeah, honestly, can I tell you why I understand why this girl's annoyed? Because she's getting married, and then all the photos the next day are going to be the gender reveal, not the marriage. I totally understand why it's annoying, because it's her big weekend, and there's only one wedding. You can do a gender reveal over Zoom. There are two different things, you know?

It's like, you wouldn't plan a gender reveal like it's a wedding, so she's putting all this towards her wedding, and then she's just kind of of riding in off the, off the, like, effort that it is, you know? So I guess it is, it's kind of like... It's like you're kind of mooching on me. Yeah, you're mooching off of the fact that everyone's in town for my event that I planned. I see both ways, and I'm probably going to do that for, like, most of these, because I'm, I'm that fucking type of day.

Well, maybe not. Maybe not. Hi, Jake, and beautiful guest. Oh, thank you. Yeah. My roommate and her boyfriend have been stealing stuff for me and lying about it. Some of my more intimate possessions too, ew. And it's really getting weird.

I catch some of my clothes, remotes, chargers, et cetera, in their room all the time and it's such a weird unspoken thing. How do I talk to them about this? I hate confrontation. This reminds me of... Is it with... Yeah.

Is it with Emma Stone? No. Not Anne White, not Anne Boland. Jane Eyre? Janeair! Oh my God! And she doesn't speak up for herself ever, and everyone's so fucking rude to her.

She never says anything. Yeah. confrontation you got to work on that girl Mervua. Jane Err, Nolan, wow. I was in Jane Eyre. In high school. Oh, and she never says anything, right? Yeah, and I was like the bully in it. They all bully her. Yeah.

What would you do if Jackson was stealing yourself? You would say something immediately. For sure. I'm a little, I'm a little gray on like the personal, because she was like, some very personal items. Then she was like, the remote in my clothes, which sounds like very not that personal. So like, I'm trying to break down the psychology. Maybe how freaky is this?

I assume she means, like, the girls, The other girl is taking her underwear. And the boyfriend, where does he come into play? Like, them as a team, it's starting to feel like this weird ruse, like, where they're, like, stealing. I'm just trying to feel like, is shit just laying around and she's overreacting? Or are they, like, teaming up against her? I'm on her side. Okay.

And I would be, like, you need, but it's two against one. How scary? Yeah, yeah. They'll be like, we didn't steal your shit. I think you just got to go roommate to roommate and then have her extended to the boyfriend. It doesn't need to be a group talk. Smart. And also take photos. Take photos of what she stole.

Yeah, be like, take photos of it in her room. Be like, you stole this, look. Yeah, yeah. You know, if you're confronting a liar, you need to have proof. You're very right. Have you ever been in this situation with a liar? Or relationship with a liar? No.

And lying is a huge no-go for me. Right, yes. Yeah, like, I just, because I don't lie. Do you think I could get my ears pierced? For sure. Louise says it would be really bad for the brand for me. Like, Jake's just got to be Jake. And if that means piercing his ears,

well, if he wants to do it, he's got to do it. Can you picture me with, like, one tiny hoop here? Yeah, also, like, there's nothing wrong with evolving. Like, if that's not you, a year ago, like, totally be a year now. When did you get your ears pierced? I was, like, 16. Oh, okay. So that's been you.

It's been me. But, like... I only wanted to do it because I started posting Instagram dumps, and I felt, like, you know, like, like artsy. Like, I posted in my Instagram. Instagram. I'm today like a photo of a fire hydrant spilling out water.

And everyone swiped over it and was like, do you really need this? And I said yes. Yes. And then, okay, I have a question. Do you, would you feel like, do you feel like you could get the earring? And then if it wasn't for you a week later, take it out. And like, that's how I thought it worked. But Louise is apparently you have to keep it in for three months.

Whatever. But I'm just like saying, would you feel fine, like being like, oh, I tried a thing and it failed in front of everyone? Yeah, I do that consistently. Okay. Then you're good. I'd be worried if you were like, oh, I have to really commit to this. And if it's not, just try it. If it doesn't work, take it out, right?

She really does not want me to get an earring. I'm fine for you. Thank you. All right, Louise. My boyfriend is constantly sports betting all night and day. He recently spent his whole paycheck on betting in three days. He even asked me for money so he would be able to continue to do it. Oh, what a bum.

This is a nightmare. He has money in his savings, but should I be concerned? I mean, beyond. concerned. Yeah. Gambling addiction is so bad. Yeah. I mean, this one's black and white.

Yeah. You think, what, break up with him? No, don't go right to breaking up with him. He'll probably just lose even more money. I think just, like, basically, I would give him an ultimatum. You've got to pick me or the gambling. And then let's see how he rocks. Have you ever given someone an ultimatum before?

I know what I need in a relationship, and I'll be a great partner if, like, we can hold up the same, like, standards for each other. And I'm like, if someone's not meeting my standards, like, respectfully, I'd be like, okay, like this won't work for me, like, as a partnership. And so I'll be like, you have to like kind of, I've given the ultimatum of like, can you like understand where I'm coming from or not? And if you don't, then it's okay, then we, it's not going to work. You're very emotionally intelligent.

Thanks. Have you gotten up before? Yeah. Are you back? I think it's all the therapy I did since I was like the kid. Yeah, I was about to say you must, your parents seem great. They're great. Actually, I've met your mom.

You've met Jill. I've met your mom and she was the nice. person I've ever met in my entire life. And I've actually never forgotten it. Audrey hosted a reading with Substack and she so kindly invited me to read one of, oh, talk about OCD. My OCD was almost like, don't say the word kindly. Lately I've been having an issue with the word kindly.

Do you know what I mean? I just feel you so hard. Oh my gosh, I feel you so hard. I have, I'm not going to say. I couldn't write the word thus all of college. Still can't, by the way. I have a crazy one that I'm not going to say because I'm like, I need to harness it before I let it out into the world.

Keep it, keep it. But it's, it's on par with what you're saying. A bunch of my friends and I moved to NYC last summer after we graduated college, but now a lot of them are moving away for new jobs or grad school, either this summer or next summer. I love New York and want to stay, but I'm scared I'm going to be stranded friendless this time next year. Any advice for making post-grad friends?

Well, you're in the easiest city to make friends in the entire world. New York is, I feel like everyone wants to make a friend in New York. It is, it's like, if you want to go make friends stay in New York. Right. Do you, everyone, do you ever? want to move to New York? Yeah, I actually lived in New York for a year. Oh, and I loved it.

Where'd you live? I lived in the East Village, and it was, like, my version of college, because I didn't go to college, and I felt like being in the East Village was that for me. So, like, how was it college for you? Like, you'd wake up with... Just being around kids by age, you know, like, when I was in L.A., and I wasn't going to college, there wasn't a hub for me to... Or, like, kind of, like, a circle, like, a literally geographic, like, place to be in

where, like, I was... Right. So I wanted to, like, go drive to a college campus, which, like, like, But the streets are the campus, so I could just be on the street and feel surrounded by my ears. Did you go to Oregon for like a week? I dropped out the week before I was supposed to go to Oregon. Got it. Yeah.

Which everyone gets to get confused. I was a week away from going to Oregon. Right. And you were like, fuck this. I was like, no. Yeah. Yeah, school wasn't for me. But you went to school.

I went to USC. Right, because you were talking, you were like. You don't need to get. This reminds me of college. And I was like, okay, LA college. I said Airwan reminds me of college. Yeah. Or you said like something in the Airwine

It reminded you of college I guess it does I went to Airwana a bunch in college There you go The Silver Lake Irwant actually Which is underratedly the best one Well what would you prescribe them That post grad girl

I would prescribe the movie postgrad What's that? It's a movie about postgrad And I saw when I was like in third grade So I had no idea what the fuck was going on But now I'm sure maybe I should rewatch it Yeah I would just like Just be fearless

Just like just like conquer whatever social fears you have and something good will come out of it. Love that. Yeah. Did you watch Stranger Things? Yeah, I didn't finish. I've watched like, I feel like I've watched like 70% of the episodes and I couldn't tell you like a single detail about the show. Do you like thrillers, dark stuff or no?

Not too dark. I just went saw obsession. Oh my God. We've been talking about it all day. Did you see it? I've heard it's unbelievable. It's so good. It's super spooky.

I had a little bit of a night. nightmare vibe The night before Well it was like I woke up in the middle of the night And then I couldn't get back to sleep Every time I'd fall asleep Like right before it would be like boo Like in my head

Have you ever do you ever When you fall asleep Get the muscle spasms And you like yeah Is that like a boy thing or is that like a No it's an anxiety thing I think I have the worst anxiety dreams Where my teeth are falling out

People are pulling them out I had a dream the other day My Vastardacity was sleeping over And she woke up to me Screaming at her Like no you can't You can't You were doing that in real life?

Yeah, and I woke up, and she was like, what the fuck that just happened? That's dark. I know. That's okay, though. That's a part of your makeup, and that's why you're you. Oh, thank you. Yeah, yeah. Are you excited to tour?

Yeah, I love touring because I tore with my besties. Yeah, I went on tour and I would go and speak, and I went with Louise and Mani. You did the bus? I did the bus. Do you have a bunk or a room? I have a room, but sometimes I just do the bunk. A bunk, I feel like everyone gets better sleep. Yes.

Yeah. There's like a lot of rattling around. in the back room. Oh, this one's for you because you hate liars. Basically, my best friend since childhood has turned into a white liar these days. Never really to me sometimes, but like this is a huge red flag for me and other people, and I want to bring it up

to her, but she always writes it off as cute. Mm-hmm. Well, at least she admits it. We've known each other for 10 years. How do I make her realize it really is that deep? You, like, actions speak louder than words. You gotta just, she's got to, like, there's got to be a true consequence.

Like, and I don't know how deep, it's her best friend. Like, the two love each other. It's a slippery slope because it's like, you don't want to like X someone out. But like, I think space or like letting her like sit with what she's doing is better. Because if you just tell someone who's like a general liar to stop lying, like they do, they say it's cute. I think there needs to be something bigger than saying stop. Oh, yeah.

Does Jackson ever lie to you? Dude, would it mean, yeah, Jackson sometimes can frickin'n't fib the truth. But that's, you know, he doesn't do it as much anymore. anymore. Really? Because he knows that if I can hate lying. But it's like, I'm like, just keep it a stack with me.

That's what like besties are for. Right? I don't lie, but yeah. Were you just lying? No. I can't lie. I'm a very anxious person and it's now manifesting

into me being weirdly bloated at the most random times and it's affecting my workouts on daily routines. Wait, I relate to this. Could this actually have to do with my stress levels and how do you recommend daily

with stress that impacts your body? Well, I don't have. I don't know, but that does happen to me all the time. I'm now realizing. When you're stressed, do you feel bloated? I think so, yeah. I think I, like, bloat myself because I'm so stressed out all the time, because your cortisol levels are so high.

Okay. Oof. That makes sense. So I would take, like, medication for that. Like, de-blooding medication? No, like, I would take, like, anti-anxiety medication that you go see a psychiatrist. Okay, yeah. But you know health care is impossible in this country, so.

Mm-hmm. Got speed, girl. Yeah. I have relationship OCD, so sometimes I spiral, thinking, that my boyfriend isn't the right person for me, something terrible is going to happen to him if we stay together, etc. Recently, I opened up to my friend about how I was feeling and she told me I should listen to my, quote, gut feeling. And now she keeps trying to convince me to break up with him.

She knows I struggle with relationship OCD, but I feel like she doesn't really get it. Any advice? Well, see, the gut feeling and OCD is very difficult, at least for me, because I have a gut feeling constantly, but really it's just anxiety. Yeah, I'm big on, like, I'm big on trusting your instincts. and I don't know this person, so I can't read. Like, if I see somewhere and I know their instincts are right,

the best advice you can always give those people is trust her instincts. And then just like that happen. But her instincts are saying that if she stays with the guide, then something bad will happen. Yeah, so that's a distortion. Okay. Elaborate. That's anxiety talking and you're making up for your anxiety

with like irrational decisions. And like... But deep down the... That's been me, by the... way this whole time. I've just been like really chill about it. Me too. Yeah. What's over there? I don't know. It happens to me all the time. Have you heard me do it? Or was that the first time you heard it? Because it's been happening to me this entire episode. Oh no. I don't

hear it. But it's been happening to you too. Yeah, I've just been like anyway. Yeah. Me too. Wait, okay. Keep building on this because this one's exciting. Okay. I don't know. Well, she's saying like, because this is kind of dark and crazy, but like, she thinks that she loves her boyfriend. I know. I'm just, I don't know. She just, I just burbs. She loves her boyfriend, but she thinks if she stays together with him,

something bad's going to happen, which is there's no justification to that. That's just a full-blown, like, that's a worry that she's having. So should she leave her boyfriend? Because now her friend is like, you should leave him? No, that your friend's giving you bad advice. If you love him, stay with him and fight through this feeling, and you'll come out the other side. And tell your boyfriend about it or go to therapy about it.

Because Jake and I can only do so much. Right. in these like 20 seconds. It sounds like something you really have dive into. I know. Yeah. What do you think? Exactly what you just said.

Well, like if that was me, I totally understand that. She seems like very selfless, this girl. Like something bad's going to happen to her boyfriend and not her. No, for sure. That's sweet. But she loves him. It's like, what the hell? Don't let like, you have to fight for what you love.

And like, and you have to fight through the like distortions and stuff to like, you know, that'll be the best for her life, even though it's like the quick fix is like break up them but that's not going to solve anything and then also that's going to fuel the next distortion in your brain to feel like okay well then i'll just get you know it's enough make the evil thing in your mind feel like you it's gonna it can just make you do these things right and that's like not how you should live your life what music are you listening to these days i'm listening to like really chill music in the last like week like dude the soup john steven's song like which is the saddest song ever the one cardinal hits the window he did the call me by your name soundtrack yeah yeah yeah

It's the one that's... Is it off the carry-in-low? And I told you what happened. Like folk music and stuff? I'm down. I'm down. It's just like, it's all vibes. It's all pockets. It's like, it's why you want to get your ears pierced.

It's like, because you're just feeling it right now. I know, but it is so not me. Now that we've like continued to talk about the ear piercing. Like if I was sitting here within ear piercing, I'd be so uncomfortable. Yeah. Well, maybe it's not you. What? Maybe you know him better than you.

you know he knows himself. Do you feel that way? Yeah. She totally did. Well, I was watching her, like, watch me try to convince you to do that. She was just, like, an idiot. They freaked out when I prank.

Do you love pranking your friends? Pranking, I, I feel bad really fast. Oh, I don't. I love that. I love a good prank. It's my favorite thing on Planet Earth. But, like, once it gets so sad. I know.

One time I told, Nancy, I was going to be on real hospice of Salt Lake City. She was so excited. I've never seen her. Jackson does this shit to me all the fucking time. Like what? He'll just be, like, he'll just say something that doesn't exist. And just, like, he has such a stone cold face, like, with, like, telling me stuff that does, like, sounds real, but isn't real.

And I'll just, like, believe him. Like, what? Dude, what was the dildolator? Explain the dildolator thing. Well, he has to come back because I can't hear. Yeah, come back in. So, Malcolm's car had... Was this a flat tire?

Got a flat tire, so I had to bring it in and get it checked out. And they had sent me the report back, and there was, like, all this shit wrong with it. But it was going to cost, like, $2,000. But I was just sitting there. I think we got home, like, late, and I was like, yeah. They said, like, it would be $2,000 for, like, the dildilator on the bottom of the car. And he was, like, not really, like, paying attention or something. And he was, like, bro, just, like, give him the money or, like, whatever.

He was, like, just fix the car. It was like whatever. And then I like go around the car. I'm like, bro, the dildolator. And he looked at me and then I just like couldn't stop making fun of him for it. That's a prank. That's a prank.

I like breaks. My friend Matt does that all the time. He'll point to like Merrill Street and be like, don't you just love Nicole Kidman? Sounds like some shit you would do. Yeah, you remind me a lot of Matt actually. Shout out, Matt. Yeah.

You're over it. Yeah, he was literally like, yeah, dude, just like the tires are 1,000. And then like you could get the guy. gas caps vicked or whatever, and then like the Dildolator is 2000. I was like, yeah. Do you guys live together? Yeah.

Your roommates? Yeah. Yeah. We're also like traveling so much. So it's like we are, we are just wherever he goes, I go. Are you a good traveler? Mm-hmm. It's easier when you have like a team.

I have a tour manager and I have Jackson and like, so they make sure I don't lose anything. You know, it's nice to have a team. Yeah. That's like watching over you. Yeah. Comforting. They just make sure, like, if I have a problem, I can text people,

which is, like, not a real way to live. But, whoops. It is what it is. Yeah, for sure. I got to write these songs. Well, Malcolm, what did we learn today? We learned that we're more similar than we thought. Yeah.

We learned that this is a great vibe in here. You like it? Yeah, I love it. This is great. I had fun with you. I had a blast. I'm actually stoked. I think this is really good.

Yeah, I think it's really funny. Yeah. And we learned, I don't know, there's like, there's a flip-flops moment. You took your shoes off. We learned that maybe hoop earring ultimately isn't for you, but we're not writing it off. But if I go get one, I'll go-go-one with you.

I'll text me. Really? For sure. And maybe someone told me yesterday I should get an eyebrow piercing, which I'm not going to do, Julian. I actually think it would look good. Me too. So do it, if that's your truth.

If you get the ear. If I get the ear, you'll do the eyebrow. Okay, I'll do it. I would literally do it next week. Okay. I would do it today, but my physical therapist is coming to check out my wrist. If you can hear... It's cracking.

It's crazy. Like... Did you look that up on Google? Yeah, it's because I broke my wrist when I blacked out when I was in 11th grade. And it's never been the same sense. But it's just catching up to you now. Kind of, yeah. My body is kind of... I'm going through my Saturn return.

Kind of. Love it. Yeah. Well... This is awesome. Yeah, I love this. Yeah, this was really fun. I would love to have you back anytime.

His new album, Do That Again. out June 5th. Out now. It's out now. Oh, it's out now. Or where, do I look somewhere? Bye, pussies.