Therapuss with Jake Shane - Session 137: Madelyn Cline Returns
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Welcome back to Therapus tonight.
We have on the wonderful Madeline Klein again,
who is a dear, dear, dear friend of mine.
I remember meeting her a few years ago.
When we were at the airport,
we were both waiting for our backs,
and she came up to me,
and I was just immediately so disarmed
by how warm and kind she was as a person.
And every time I get to see her hang out with her,
I'm always, I always feel so lucky.
and every time she chooses to come on the show,
I also just feel so grateful.
So Madeline, thank you for coming back to Therapus.
I love you so much.
The final season of Outer Banks starring Madeline Klein
is out August 20th on Netflix.
It is obviously incredible.
She is incredible.
And enjoy the episode.
I love you, pussies.
Hi, Pussies.
Today we have movie star, television star,
I'm one of my best friends, Madeline Klein.
Back on the podcast.
You're so bad.
I missed you.
I know I missed you too.
When was the last time?
Was that like a year and a half ago?
No.
Oh, that was the past, the past one we hung out.
Wait, actually that was not the...
And we're going to get into it.
The last time we hung out was I got to play with Madeline and Glenn on their new movie.
The comeback king.
Which was one of the best days of my life.
I had so much fun.
That was the best day of my life.
I like, I was struggling that morning.
Yep, you know, I was, you know how my hangovers always last me two days?
Yeah.
That was day two.
So that, I was also a little stressed out.
I was on day one.
Yeah, when, yeah.
Do you want to come sit?
Oh yeah, this is Madeline's dog, Rodney.
But he's really distracted by the gaggle.
Does he want to leave?
Yeah, mate.
Okay, goodbye, Rodney.
He's really into, okay, well, very short cameo by Rodney.
Hi.
Hi.
I love you.
I love you.
Oh.
Hi.
Okay.
Okay.
Outer Banks is coming to a close.
Coming to a close.
Five seasons?
Five.
Fifty episodes.
Wow.
Five zero.
Which actually like when you say 50, it doesn't, for seven years of filming, it doesn't
feel like it's been.
Oh, wine.
Wine.
That's a delivery.
Wow.
Thank you, Manny.
I love these cups.
Me too.
Are these?
Room temperature.
These are my cups?
I love your cups.
Oh, definitely breaths.
Cheers.
Cheers.
Eyes, eyes.
We'll never have bad sex.
Well, I don't have sex, so that shouldn't be hard.
Me neither.
50 episodes.
Oh, someone's pop, but what is?
There's a party.
I think we're speaking right now through our brains.
Yeah, and we need to speak through our mouths.
Bounce.
50 episodes, seven years.
Yes, seven years.
So when you say like 50 episodes, it seems like it should, it doesn't seem like as many.
It makes it seem, I don't know, like for the amount of work that we put in, 50 episodes, like 40 minute episodes doesn't feel like that much.
But it was like most of my 20s.
It was almost your entire 20s.
Most of like, yeah, like most of a decade.
And what did it feel like on like that last day of set?
Okay, so this is tea.
Okay, give it.
So I am one of those people that does my morning in, like, I, like, I process it slowly over time.
Like, I think ahead.
Like, I love to cross a bridge before it comes.
Me too.
I'm the same exact way.
It's like, let's plan for the cross out now.
I love putting a cart before a horse.
Yes, always.
And so I, I, like, had many, oh, my God, there's so many things happening.
I'm so sorry.
It's kind of beautiful how many things.
Oh, look, I love your phone case.
Okay, so chaotic.
Wow.
So apparently it's a full moon today.
Yeah, Mercury's back in Metrograde.
Okay, what does that mean for like our signs?
It means what are you again?
I'm a Sagittarius.
I don't know what it means for us, but Mercury and Retrograde is never good.
I'm scared.
No, it's never good.
It's actually quite horrible.
No, actually like today has felt like a retrograde day.
You know, Peyton's not having a good one.
Really?
Yeah, but pretty bad.
I need to call her.
So tell me about the last day on set and putting the cart before the horse.
Oh, yes.
Okay, so cart before horse.
So I had already kind of done my morning, like, throughout the entirety of shooting season five.
Uh-huh.
And so when it came to the last day, everyone was sobbing and I was cheesing.
You were just like.
I was like, I've already cried.
Right.
I was in a state of mind there.
I had no tears left to cry.
like Ariana Grande's head
and
and so I felt really bad
because I kind of felt like
psychotic
right you know
but you know I also thought about it in the
like the context of a scene you know how you
like when you're watching a scene
where everyone's like devastated
and crying and sobbing and having the same
you know I think it's always interesting
but I also think it could be like
did you feel
this is so niche but did you
feel like pressured to cry so then you didn't cry.
Okay, so that's another thing too.
I'm like sometimes I feel like,
sometimes I feel like I am,
there is a pressure to cry because it means you're sad,
but really like I was sad,
but I was more just like happy and proud of,
of all of like our collective accomplishment.
Right.
And that there were so many people there on the last day
to, not just the Pogs,
but like lots of other cast members.
It was a really big day.
The hair and makeup trailer was like,
full house.
Yeah.
So I was just more,
it was more just happy that we were able to celebrate together at the end of the day.
When they said like that's a picture wrap on Madeline Klein,
like did your,
what did your body?
Like,
what did you feel?
I am going to mourn it so much.
But like,
it's a,
you know,
I am just so proud.
I'm so proud of it.
It feels like you're putting a ribbon.
Yes,
it puts,
on a huge body of work.
A hundred percent.
Very much allowed to be happy.
Yeah.
I'd be like, this is it.
Celebratory.
The story is over.
Totally.
Proud of what you did.
Exactly.
And I felt so proud in like where like how we put like, you know, we put the story to bed.
We put Sarah to bed.
Like we told the story.
We told it well.
Hopefully like we made a show that people are going to want to go back and watch over and over and over again.
And I, you know, honestly like I'm really happy to not have to go shoot back.
shoot in bogs and grassy knolls with gnats and that's okay and that's okay can't even
can you imagine me in that environment oh my god i would i wish i could take you on a on a vibe tour
what is the scene you're most proud of in season five i'm proud of any so okay i'm i break a lot
like i like you laugh i laugh a lot okay like and i can't help it well we were laughing we were
At the comeback hang.
We were laughing.
And so any time I start laughing, a lot of times it's because, like, when we're running,
it feels like Scooby-Doo or that we're like scurrying one way and then like bad guys come around the corner and then we have to like...
Scurry the other way.
And I just started laughing at like the whole situation because it was so Scooby-Doo like that I had to turn my face away from the camera.
And it was like a drone.
So it was following us.
I did turn my face away from the camera,
and I was running full speed without looking where I was going
because I was laughing so hard,
and I ran straight into the back of Madison,
hit her so hard,
and then went flying like,
and I went flying to the ground and skid it on the ground six feet.
And then it was one of those falls where people were like, ooh.
Which is so embarrassing.
And then all I remember doing is like hitting her and then seeing blue
because I was staring up at the sky.
Right.
Okay.
I was actually quite,
worry for a second.
I was like, what do you mean?
What do you mean by that?
I know.
And then there's nothing.
And then you start laughing because it's like embarrassing, but you're also laughing
because you want everyone to think, to know you're okay.
Right.
And then they were like, okay, now can we continue the scene?
Yeah, yeah.
They're like, are you good?
Okay.
I fell down the flight of stairs, a flight of stairs when I did a guest star thing at adults.
Oh, no.
Like, like full fell down the stairs, banked by your head, like huge thing.
Everyone saw it.
It was so, it was.
It was mortifying.
You just got it.
I'm really proud of us.
I'm proud of us, too.
Those are the scenes I'm really proud of.
So, for those that don't know,
Madeline and I spent a lovely weekend at Coachella together.
Yes, we did.
It was very fun.
It was fun.
Who did we see together?
Okay.
Sabrina?
We saw, no.
You were with all the girls.
I was with Charlie and Will and Cassidy.
Shit, that's right.
Were you there for the strokes?
Yes, I saw the strokes.
Amazing.
Amazing.
It was amazing.
I want to for my birthday.
Because they're performing in New York on October 2nd.
And I want to go again.
We got to go.
That was truly, like, that was
that was unmatched.
It was euphoric.
I was having the time of my life.
We were having so much fun.
So much fun.
And then after the strokes...
You disappeared for Beaver.
I did.
Because I started to get really anxious.
Totally valid.
I figured out that we would have to stay there
and wait.
We did.
And I know.
And then I was like, oh my God.
And then what happens after Bieber ends?
The mass exodus.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It was, Madeline, it was so horrible.
I, I, my brain, like, I went down the, this, the slide of anxiety and despair when I was
thinking about, like, mentally, when I was thinking about the exit plan.
And I was, I was like, I started to panic.
Yeah, a thousand percent.
And by the way, everything was cut off.
I forget what it was.
We're like, we've never seen this in Coachella history.
Like, there were so many people there.
Louise was with me.
It was horrible.
Like, you, like, it was horrible.
It sounded so scary.
And then also at the same time.
And she's laughing at me because we had the best setup where a golf cart drove us home.
No, no, your setup was.
Wait, you know the golf cart died on our way, on our way, on our way back for Bieber.
Twice.
The golf cart died.
We started pushing it, like, shaking it.
And I was like, please.
I need to go home.
I need to get it.
I need to go.
I need to go home.
I was freaking the fuck out.
Everything was closed down.
Oh, yeah.
I was already like I was, again, cart before horse.
Bridge before it came.
And I was like, this type, you, that was correct because I should have known.
I, but I also had so much fun more because I was thinking about all like the parties and like I was hearing the girls download about like the night and Sally's download.
Sally's download was crazy.
Sally's download was crazy.
I've never heard that before.
Download.
I love that.
Yeah, download.
I'm going to start using that.
Generational.
Yeah, it was all time.
Yeah.
That weekend was really special.
No, that weekend was real.
And I'm so glad you guys convinced me to go to that weekend.
Even though I'm really sad I miss Madonna.
Me too.
That physically hurt.
Me too.
But watching that.
Oh, my God.
What was it like being in the house tour music video?
I don't know if we ever even spoke about it.
No, we actually, I don't think we did.
No.
Honestly, to be, to be able to like, do spiders kind of count as octopus?
Is there a spider?
Right there.
See it?
Like it right here.
Where my finger is?
No, like literally next to my finger.
Oh.
Oh my God.
Oh, my God.
Um, Nolan.
What is?
It's missing legs.
It's like a daddy-blown leg.
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How sore?
How was that?
To look in the mirror and to know that I am part of the Sabrinaverse.
Oh, my God.
It's really one of, I feel like it's one of my, my favorite accomplishments.
And in accomplishment it is.
Like, I mean, Sabrina, I adore Sabrina.
I have loved her for so long.
She is such a good, good person.
She's such a good friend.
And when she texted me to see if I wanted to be in a movie, a music video, I was like, yes.
She's like, you don't want to know which.
Which one?
Of course not.
I was like, no, no.
The answer is yes.
Absolutely.
If Sabrina Carpenter asked you to be in a music video, you're in the music video.
Yeah.
Like, immediately, yes.
And was it just so fun to film?
Yes.
It was two full days of, we were in this big old house in the Hollywood Hills and it was just, like, it was all shot on film.
And it was Sabrina and Margaret directing.
It was their vision.
And it was just two old days of girlhood and a bit of this and that and goofing off.
Well, it was amazing.
I, like, love seeing you be funny.
I, you know, I always tell you her comedic timing, Louise, is all-timer.
It's all-timer.
My favorite thing you've ever said, well, first of all, you were incredible in Knives Out,
but it was in, I know what you did last summer.
and it was when I think your boyfriend had just died
and you come out and you go, you know,
when like the girls are like, you're sad,
but you still have to get ready or get around ready.
Like, it was so funny.
Like I just-
You know that meme?
Like, it was so good.
And that's why I'm so excited for the comeback king
because I think you're about to be hysterical.
And oh my God, I had the best time shooting that.
I had the best time.
I was in drag, basically in drag the whole time.
Are you wrapped?
Wrapped.
Do you remember when I called you hungover?
You called me when you were hungover.
And I said, please, please let me come on the show.
And I was like, Jake, don't worry.
Yeah.
It's happening.
And it happened.
And it happened.
And it was fun.
We filmed.
I guess we can't say much, but it was amazing.
And we got to play.
We got to play.
We got to play one morning.
It was so cool to see.
What was it like working with Glenn?
I love Glenn.
Glenn is like, Glenn is genuinely one of the best people I have ever met in my life.
He is like, he's like if the manual, the life manual of how to be a good person,
one of one,
yeah, thousand percent.
He immediately, like, already downloaded into his hard drive.
Because his, he comes, it's his, he's such a family guy.
I know.
It's the Southern charm.
And his, like, his family is, like, is all that way.
His whole family is, they're just, like, gold star humans.
They're just, it's, they're good eggs.
They're all good eggs.
And he's so talented.
So talented.
So talented.
So good at what he does.
His comedic timing is amazing.
And like the way he has leaned into this role, I think the way everyone leaned into this movie.
And the comedians we have on for this movie, like Judd, I mean, obviously Judd in general.
Like, that was such a, like what I couldn't imagine how you felt every day.
Because in those, when I was doing my thing with you guys, and I,
I was hearing, like, Judd from the director's chair, I was like, I actually can't believe this
is my life right now.
I know.
I was like, this might be one of the coolest things to ever happen to me.
It is such play.
And the way he directs is awesome.
I know.
I really like it.
It's so, it is, it's such, it's something I have never experienced before.
It is so unique, but it also, you know, what I love about it is that it kind of takes away any sort of
ability to overthink.
Yes.
About anything.
And you just like brain empty and you just do.
Because he's like, wait, try this.
Wait, do this.
You don't have time to think about it.
You just do it.
And you're just,
you're so in the moment with it.
It's so improv coded.
Yeah, it is.
It was, yes.
And improv is my favorite type of comedy.
Yeah.
Oh my God, so fun.
Now we need to talk about Love Island.
Let's talk about Love Island.
Because I'm not, okay, so I didn't watch the season,
but Will made me watch Casa more last night.
Okay, I'm two episodes behind.
They just got back.
So I watched the after sun right after the recoupling.
The recoupling?
Brutal.
I cried during Trinity and Bryce.
I don't know why I cried.
I was just like, oh my God, she's so relieved and he's so relieved.
And they were matching.
Did you see that?
No.
They were matching.
They were matching butter yellow.
They were just like so, by the way, do you know Bryce was a Tumblr and boy back in the day?
I saw that.
Like with Kendall, like fully.
An it boy.
In It Boy.
I was so obsessed with that and then things obviously took a turn.
Yes.
That was a very, very nasty turn.
The Corbin of it all was pretty nasty.
Was Corbin the one that said about Kenzie?
Oh, Kenzie's out the window.
Yes.
When they live streamed.
Here's my thing about Kenzie is I don't watch the show so I have no ground to stand on.
But I never understood why people didn't like her.
I was obsessed with her from day one.
I think she's always been, look, I think she is, I think she's sweet.
I think she's funny and I think she's fantastic television.
She's fantastic television.
Yes.
I forget, do you watch Housewives?
Okay, so I need to watch Rhode Island.
Please.
I really need to watch it.
Madeline, please.
I know.
It is one of the best first seasons of Housewives I've ever, ever, ever seen.
That's what I was, I've been hearing that they just do not give me.
They don't give a fuck and they've known each other.
since they were kids.
What do they call?
They call it like a slam pig.
A slam pig.
You're a slam pig.
You're a slam pig.
Get the fuck out of my house.
Like.
Like.
Like she shows up the Kelsey who gets called the slat.
Well first like the whole.
To create the perfect first season of real housewives.
You have to have somebody that has a very odd situation.
So in Salt Lake it was Mary with her step grandfather.
In Rhode Island, it was.
was Kelsey with her sugar daddy boyfriend who was dating some guy who lived in this massive house,
but he had other girlfriends in Miami.
And so she was like a polygamist.
And Rosie was like, or you're a polygamous.
And then Rosie's house was also, Rosie's also building a house.
And the house is supposed to be 5,000 square feet, but it's actually 2,500 square feet.
So Kelsey would not let her breathe about it not being 5,000 square feet.
And then Kelsey was like, you don't, you literally don't have a house.
And then Kelsey at the reunion said your only co-workers were, was ever another girl in Miami.
Like that was your only co-workers and basically being like you're a prostitute.
You literally don't even have a house.
You don't have a house.
Speaking of prostitutes.
Yeah.
Speaking of.
Who is one?
Someone that we know.
It was speaking of prostitutes.
Did I tell you the story about how when I was in Spain I was working and the police kept showing up to my apartment door?
Thinking you were a prostitute?
They thought I was like, like the leader.
They thought you were a madam?
How many girls were staying in your apartment?
It was just me.
So what did they keep saying?
So I was talking with Penelope Cruz.
Right, as one does.
As one does.
And she was asking me how I liked living in Madrid.
And I was like, yeah, I like it.
Like hot take.
I like Barcelona better, but I have like.
I love.
Barcelona.
I do too.
And everyone's always like,
what the fuck are you talking about?
I love it there.
I know, I can't.
I love it.
I love it so much.
I love the coast.
I love like Cadiz,
like two hours out the road.
Amazing.
Just wine, beach, everything.
Oh, my God.
Barcelona's perfect.
Seafood.
Paella.
All of it.
Paella.
The clubs.
The dancing.
You know, when I went there was a strike
and I couldn't go dancing.
They were striking dancing?
There was a taxi cab strike.
There's always a strike in Europe.
There is always a strike in Europe.
I know.
I'm like mad for you.
So what were you saying about you being a madam?
So I was telling her, but I love it so much, but I have to move out of my apartment because the police keep showing up.
And I'm really scared.
And they keep talking to me in Spanish and I'm trying to translate, but I don't know how.
But they keep taking my passport and my information.
And I'm scared because I'm like, what have I done wrong?
And then Penelope was like, what's crazy?
Like, where are you living?
And I was like, I'm living in, um, in Salomon.
And she's like, that's my, that's where I, is it Salamanka?
I think so.
And she's like, that's my old neighborhood.
She was like, what shoot are you on?
And I said the street.
And then she said, what building number?
And I told her.
And she was like, is it the yellow building down like an alleyway through a gate?
And I said, yes.
And she said, that's my old building.
Shut the fuck up.
That's my first apartment building.
And she's like, in my neighbor, my old neighbor called me and told me that they had, like, they
had tracked some like local, like some like crime.
I'm like in Salamanca, they attracted it to, I guess they attracted it back to the building.
And they were coming to my apartment directly.
And I found out later that it was like some like sex ring.
And they thought you were the leader.
And they thought it was me leading it.
Right.
They thought I was the madam of it.
So yeah.
So speaking of prostitutes.
So actually speaking of prostitutes.
But also like also no hate at all.
At all.
At all.
But they thought that I was, I was.
their fearless leader.
And I was, and I was their fearful leader.
I was the fearful leader.
You were elected, I guess, by accident.
I was, I was accidentally elected.
To be madam of the.
I wish they would have let me know.
I wish they would have let me know because I would have,
probably would have been a lot braver about it.
What else are you watching on television right now?
Mostly Love Island.
I just also started playing Fortnite.
What?
Yes.
And I won my very first battle.
Royale. I actually see you loving that. I was having so much fun. I have a Bugs Bunny skin and, or no, sorry, I have a Lola Bunny skin and I just got the new Supergirl skin.
How is Lucas? I love him so much. I miss him every day. I'm not with him. Yeah. I know. I know. I was texting him on the way over. I was like, I need you. I need to come cuddle and cry because I think I'm about to start my period tomorrow. And it's the full moon and Mercury is in retrograde. Great.
Oh shit
It's a
Crazy combination
Is he here in LA right now?
He is
Oh and you were just at the
Voice Meals for Isabel premiere with him right?
No, I was
He was so great in that movie
Him and his mustache
He played straight
He did a really good job
He did a really great job
He did a really good job
Of being a diabolical straight man
Yeah and he was so fucking funny too
And his souffle was ass
As did you watch voicemail for Isabel
Yeah
Like he was so
fucking funny. He, and a lot of his stuff was just improv. I could tell. Yeah. You can always tell because
it's always funnier. It's so funny. It's always funnier. It's just improv is always funnier because it is quite
hard, I feel like, to write a joke and perform that joke 10 times over. It always, it always is. It's never,
which is, again, why I think Judd's directing style works so well is because it is because it is never
the same thing. Right. You can, like, the thing is the only time it's the same thing is you can tell when he wants
to get multiple versions of it is because he likes it.
But like he always likes to keep it fresh.
Right.
And that's, but yeah, the first, the first time something's funny is like lightning in a bottle.
Crack.
Making someone laugh is actually like my crack.
It is actually crack.
Like hearing, like when you were on set for the comeback king, like when you would hear
the crew laugh, was it, did it just like fuel you for the rest of the day?
Oh, it gave me, like, I would have to go home and take like a couple hours just to wind down
because every day was the best day ever.
Yeah.
Because, like, especially, especially these, like, this set and, like, the people that Judd,
like, his writing partners, like, his, I mean, his filmmaking partners that he's worked with
for so long, it, like, I kept thinking, oh, my God, like, what, what an honor to make
them laugh?
Right.
I want an honor to make comedians laugh.
There's no better feeling.
Holy shit.
Like, me?
Yeah.
It's like.
Yeah.
You know, and also it is such a confidence boost because it's like, oh, I can't, I can do this.
I, okay, okay.
I am employed and.
Happy.
Deserve.
And confident.
Yeah, and confident.
And confident in my ability to be employed.
Yes.
Or, no, I'm confident.
Which is, you know.
Sometimes I feel like you and I are two brain cells.
We are.
Fighting over being the third.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Right.
Uh-huh.
Right.
It's because they're, okay, for reference, Madeline and I have not caught up in weeks.
Did I just say for Weffwins?
For Weffin.
For Weffin's?
For Wefts. Madden and Madeline and I have not caught up in weeks.
We haven't.
So what are you therapists about today?
I'm therapist about people's men's audacity.
Uh-huh.
And that is a...
It's a real thing.
It's a real thing.
Yeah.
But I would say that you handle it always with,
Grace.
Not this time?
Oh yeah.
This time I did.
Okay.
Not every time.
Okay.
I'm learning how to handle things with grace.
No, you handle things with grace.
There are certain things you call me about that I'm like, holy shit, if I were you, I would literally burn the world down and you don't.
Yeah.
I'm learning, I'm learning how to, I wouldn't say hold back, how to have discernment in certain situations.
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Did you see the Jojo Cilwell Cruz?
Okay, yeah, so can we talk about that?
What?
What was it?
I wanted to be there.
I did too.
I really wanted.
What is that?
Like, I wanted to be there.
It looked very...
She's in the pool with everyone
telling them all about her birthday.
She's like, there was a meet and greet in her penthouse suite.
Like, I was like, I'm down.
So, like, did she, like, pay for a...
No, so actually what happened was the rest...
She rented out, like, a portion of the cruise.
The rest of the cruise was, like, people on a cruise.
And then the other half was JoJo Tiwa fans.
Okay.
Did you see, like, the...
There was one guy who was doing like a rundown of the gift bag, like the AI slopstickers.
Yes, yes, the AI slop stickers.
And she performed boomerang in actually like a very emotional way.
Yeah, like a heartfelt ballad.
It was a heartfelt ballad.
She did boomerang as a heartfelt ballad.
People were sobbing.
Yeah.
To be honest, put me in that situation and I probably would have been crying to.
Yeah.
I kind of wanted to be there with you.
Jojo Siwa, people give her a lot of shit.
But what would we do without her is my question.
Jojo Siwa kind of feels to me like the same way like Trader Joe's does.
Please elaborate.
Because I was actually talking about Trader Joe's the other day.
Okay.
So Trader Joe's to me kind of has this vibe where it's like what aliens would have like
built as a grocery store because they think that's what we would like.
And the thing is it's working.
Yeah.
And like it is one of those, like it is an experience.
It is like the first time.
I saw a Trader Joe's.
I went into a Trader Joe's.
I was like...
Yeah, you're like, what's,
the food doesn't feel real.
It's real.
It doesn't feel real.
The whole,
it feels like a little cultish,
like when you don't understand.
Like, when it first came to Charleston
and I was a teenager,
I was like,
why is everyone freaking out about this?
Like,
were, like, gagging for Trader Joe's.
People were gagging for Trader Joe's.
Like, people were leaving Whole Foods
in droves to go over to the Trader Joe's.
And then, like, now I get it.
But it's like, all the things they have,
it's like what I think the aliens would,
were, you know, if they were studying us, would be like,
does this make any sense?
Yeah, it makes complete, utter sense.
It's actually one of the most things
that has made sense in this room in a long time.
And also, I would like to say,
have you seen the videos of the people fighting over
the Trader Joe's Toads?
Yes.
What is that?
Do you know?
Yeah, I've seen it.
So, the little many ones were cute.
Are they like, Jack?
I'm like, are they like a Jacques.
So why are people freaking the fuck out about it, though?
I actually don't know.
I don't know that part.
Yeah, I don't get it.
People are like in black,
Friday style, like over each other, like begging for these toes.
I know.
Wait, how many were the minis?
It's like the, it's like a burkin of Trader Joe's.
Oh my God, it's like the burkin of tote bags.
Yeah.
They do like limited edition.
Oh, my God.
What's your favorite Trader Joe's item?
My favorite Trader Joe's item.
Because I know mine.
Honestly, like, I know this is like a fad, but like the chicken soup dumplings.
They're great.
Yeah.
My favorite is two things.
When I was a kid, my dad used to make me their Pena Arabiata all the time.
It comes in, it's frozen.
So you pour it out in the pan and there's cubes of sauce.
Yes, I love the cubes.
And you make it.
And it tastes just like from a restaurant and then the Bibimbop bowl.
I haven't tried that one.
It is nothing short of fantastic.
I could eat 10 in a row.
And they sometimes don't sell them at certain Trader Joe's.
And in college, I would eat them.
In high school, in middle school, in college, I would eat them almost daily.
I like, I genuinely love going to Trader Joe so much.
And also, there.
This is just an ad for Trader Joe's.
So basically, thanks for watching.
Thanks for making it this far.
Also, I think it's like the chicken wine, like the red wine.
I've never had it.
So, I mean, I say it's a chicken wine.
There's an actual name for it, but it has a chicken on it.
So it's wine.
It's wine.
Got it.
Red wine.
And there are peanut butter pretzels used to be like my nightly dinner.
You want to try my candy?
The caches?
Yeah.
Have you tried the sours?
No.
Do you like sour?
Sour's my favorite.
Manny, would you grab me a fresh pack of sour pus?
Mani, Daddy!
This is the week...
This is actually a few weeks before, technically before it arrives at Target.
Oh, wait, this is exclusive.
Okay.
It's so good, right?
The texture?
I know!
Here's a thing.
I'm not a candy person.
Just wait until you get to the tentacles.
Tense up, pussies.
The texture of, like, gummy candy just doesn't really do it for me.
I like high chues.
Yeah, I love high chos.
I like, mochi.
Like, this texture.
Hard but soft.
Right?
It's, like, awesome.
They're, like, actually so awesome.
That's better than any, like, any, like, candy I've ever had.
I know.
That's how I feel.
My favorite thing is Alex crashing out because she can't find it catches.
Oh, it's the best thing ever.
Wait, dude, there's this video of her.
She's trying to get conscious.
I'm gonna freak the fuck out.
This is that Wawa?
Might take over my whole entire life.
Do you think this is the only one they have?
The Wild Free?
Hi.
Wild free.
Yes, yes, yes.
Yes, yes.
Oh, God.
I'm just, what?
Wait, guys, that's Jake, they have them at Waba.
That's big.
It's big.
It's like, baby, you're big.
Baby, you're big.
God, isn't she the best?
I love her.
She,
I genuinely love her so much.
Me, Madeline, Stoss, and Alex all hanging,
and Pian, all hanging out in one room.
It's going to be tectonic, I fear.
Yeah, the plates will shift.
Louise said, Louise was like today, she was like, wait, so, okay, you'll be back in LA on July 27th.
I said, nope.
Mm-mm.
Uh-uh.
No, honey, no baby.
It's a visa time.
Ibiza.
Which I've never been.
Have you been?
Nope.
Oh, shit.
I'm really excited.
I'm having a lot of first this year with you guys.
I know.
Was it your first Coachella?
Yeah, ever.
Did you enjoy it?
You know what I enjoyed?
I enjoyed being with y'all.
Uh-huh.
I enjoyed Sabrina said, of course.
Uh-huh.
I enjoyed being, obviously, with the girls.
And, like, of course, I love the golf cards very much.
Obviously.
Those are the best part.
Yeah, of course.
But, like, my favorite part about Coachella was being truly, like, with you guys.
Oh.
I met Drew Starkey.
You did.
Yes, I did.
I love him.
He is so lovely.
Yeah.
He's so awesome.
He is really lovely.
Do you guys still talk, the cast?
Yeah, Drew and I actually spoke recently.
Drew is one of those people, like, Drew, I think, Drew and I understand each other very well,
and I think we always have because he and I are pretty, like, like, I have moments where I'm chronic,
I am kind of chronically online, but, like, he and I have moments where we, like,
I fluctuate, but we have both kind of been those people that are, like, like, phone,
lost.
He's offline.
He's offline.
Don't care.
Yeah, he's super offline.
Like, if I, like, he and I both will, like, we'll leave our phones and our trailers and, like,
just forget about it or, like, so, like, I have so many, like, my, like, I have so many missed phone calls,
emails, unpaid parking tickets, you name it.
So does Peyton?
Yeah.
Like, that's so, like, I understand when I don't hear from him, I know it's just because
that is.
Him.
That is Drew Starkey.
He is an awful.
He is so lovely.
He is so lovely.
But, like, when we do get to talk, it's like, he is, like, my brother.
Yeah.
Yeah.
My best friend admitted to me that they've been using an AI chatbot as, like, their
girlfriend for a while now.
I find this incredibly, I find this incredibly unsettling, but apparently, but apparently
he said it helps him actually talk to people in the real world,
which he was never really great at.
He's, like, excited to tell me about it and finds no issue here.
Please help.
Okay.
So that would never be me personally.
Right.
That would never be me, because here's why.
Also, do what you have to do.
You know what I mean?
But it's fate.
But here's the thing.
Here's the thing about, like, I think, and I could be wrong,
someone correct me.
I take full responsibility if I'm wrong.
Like AI chatbots cater to your like pattern recognition and like what you're saying.
Yes, you're right.
And like they also tend to like kind of maybe I don't know.
Tell you what you want to hear.
Tell you what you want to hear.
Yeah.
It's kind of like maybe not the most accurate depiction of socializing.
Right.
With like a real person with like thoughts and feelings.
Maybe tell him now that he's able to socialize and it's helped him to cut it.
Yeah, I think, I think cut it.
And there are plenty of people to practice on.
Right.
Real world.
Like real people.
Like real world.
Yeah, but now what's done is done.
He did it.
He told you.
He did it.
Yeah.
Because also, I think there are like there are people who have genuine like
addictions to.
AI.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's like a real addiction.
Yeah.
I've never been a.
Me neither.
We don't need to be using it in replacement for humans or to be writing movies or making music or
or anything that requires actual feeling and connection.
Using it as a substitute for genuine human reaction.
I feel like you're looking or social interaction.
You're probably looking in the wrong place.
You definitely looking in the wrong place.
Yes.
I'm such a people pleaser and it's completely halting any personal growth they could be doing.
I love helping people but now the scales have tipped and everybody only comes to me for help.
I'm so drained and barely get to talk about myself or my issues with my friends because they're so bad at listening but need me to listen to them.
You know?
I don't really know what the first steps are here.
I think the first step is if you're not going to help your.
yourself, then most, or if you're not going to help yourself and speak up for yourself,
then people aren't going to, you have to take the first step.
And be like, you guys don't listen to me.
Yeah, you have to take this first step and communicate, like, hey, I feel like I am giving
100% and I'm not getting anything in return when I need help.
Right.
Because if you can't help yourself, then a lot of people won't help you.
Right.
You have to be the first to, like, take something.
Because it's impossible.
It's very, it's rare for you to just kind of suffer in silence and hope someone sees it.
Correct.
You have to like say something.
You have to be like, you guys don't listen to me.
And I help you with everything.
And then if they come back at you and nothing changes, new friends.
New friends.
And there's always time for new friends.
There's always time for new friends.
There's always time for growth.
And sometimes, like, some people are there for you for a season.
And that's amazing.
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I love Carly Ray.
Lucas loves Carly Ray.
So bad.
She's incredible.
I know.
Have you ever seen her live?
No.
Me, Mani and Will went, or Mani Will and I, sorry, went to see Carly Ray live.
And she did emotion front to back, like run away with me.
And it was just, it was life changing.
I love her.
I love her unabashedly.
Yeah, she's great.
We love pop music.
We are pop princesses.
We are, we are, we are, we are, we are connoisseurs of pop.
We really, really are.
Yeah.
My friends are all chronically late.
It's to the point where they are hours late for literally any hours.
It's crazy.
Whoa, okay.
Anything and everything.
I love them so much.
I just cannot stand chronically late.
People, how do I bring this up without sounding like a bitch because it's all of them?
Well.
Like if it were five minutes, even 30, sure, fine.
But hours, I don't want to lose it on them, but it makes my blood boil, please help.
Well, that is just blatant disrespect to someone's time.
Right?
Yeah.
There are two solutions.
Bring it up and talk to them.
tell them in, you know, maybe better words, what the fuck.
Or two, set their call times earlier.
Yeah, that's what I do with my best friend Alice.
Yeah.
I'm like, we need to be ready by 12, even if it's 1230 and then she'll be, we'll go at 1230.
Yeah, like if you need them to be there by two, tell them you need them there.
Because it's never really malicious.
No.
Some people are just late.
Yeah, but if it's also, if it's one of those things where they, like, you genuinely have to be on time.
Yeah.
And also another thing too is like like, you know, when you're with a big group of people, you know, sometimes like sometimes managing a whole group of people is like hurting marbles.
Yeah.
And like it can be, it can be really tough.
Like everyone's on their own time.
Everybody's got like, you know, their own things going on.
Some people aren't managing.
Like don't manage their time.
I'm kind of like I is something I'm working on is being better at being on time.
I feel like you are a timely person.
I do get really anxious about being not on time, but I also, because, but I get carried away,
like getting ready or I get carried away with my alarm.
Or like snoozing it.
Yeah.
And I always underestimate how much time I actually need.
Like you're like, oh, I can make this work and you can't.
I can make this work in 15 minutes when I really need 30.
I've been doing that lately.
Yeah.
It's one of the worst feelings in the world.
It is one of the worst, worst feelings in the world.
Like when you're like, okay, like I can wake up at 8.30 for something at 9.
No, you can't.
No, you cannot.
You have to wake up at 8.
Yes.
If it takes 30 minutes to get there, you have to wake up at 8.
Correct.
Because you need time to, like, adjust to the world.
Right.
I need to like sneeze 10 times before I can, like, you know, start doing my makeup.
Right, of course.
You know what I mean?
As one does.
After a night out of drinking with this guy I've been seeing, we woke up the next morning, damp.
I said to him, you, you know, you.
You must sweat a lot in your sleep.
And he was like, yeah, I guess.
Then we had the thought to take a closer look, and sure enough, he pissed the bed.
I played it off like I thought it was funny, but in hindsight, that is so gross.
I really like him and don't know if this is a worthy it or not.
I mean, I can look past anything.
Are we sure who pissed the bed?
If we were both unconscious.
Right.
I'm not trying to be a, I'm not trying to defend him, though.
He was like, this was me.
Like, I've done this before.
Like maybe this was me.
Yeah.
Have you ever had a guy pee in your bed?
No, no, no, no, never.
Same, never.
I, that, um, look, I think if it becomes a habit.
Then it's a problem.
Or if it is a habit, then it's a problem.
But if it's a one-off.
If it's a one-off, that is a very intimate and embarrassing thing.
And everybody has intimate and embarrassing things that happen.
But we are all human.
Everybody has intimate and embarrassing things that happen.
Just make sure it doesn't happen again.
It's like, things like that will happen sometimes.
Mm-hmm.
And honestly, if a guy peed in my bed and owned it,
I'd be like, all right, just don't let it happen again.
Yeah, yeah, just, you know what I mean?
If you constantly pee, then it's like maybe there's a deeper issue that we can unpack.
Right.
I'm not a drunk peer.
Me neither.
But I do pee all the time.
If I have to pee, I'm sprinting to the bathroom.
Sprinting to the bathroom because I don't know what song they're going to play next.
Right.
What if they start playing dancing on my own and I'm in the bathroom?
because I decided to wait too long.
Right.
I've never been a religious person,
but one of my best friends is very religious.
It has never been an issue or something we really talk about.
However, she recently told me she's anxious that I will go to hell
and that she wouldn't be a true Christian if she didn't tell me this.
I was so uncomfortable and didn't know what to say in the moment.
I felt like this is starting to have felt like,
I feel like this is starting to affect our friendship and I don't know how to bring
this up again.
It is.
Yeah.
There are ways to be religious.
I think like real true religious.
is having your beliefs and believing in them,
standing 10 toes down on them yourself,
and not pushing your agenda onto other people.
Because her saying that to you is pushing her religious agenda onto you.
Right.
Well, like those statements always start with, well, I believe.
Right.
And then it's inherently saying like, well, you should believe this too.
Right.
Well, I believe.
And okay, that's great.
You believe that.
But like there's a difference between religion and like.
Organized religion.
Or there's a different.
Exactly.
There's a difference between organized religion and projecting like your own beliefs.
Yeah.
As like I don't know some sort of means of like making yourself feel bigger or like control.
That's what it always is at the end of the day.
I know.
And and there's like you can you can be religious.
You can be spiritual.
You can have like a core set of beliefs.
Dude, look at Meg Stolter.
Yeah.
Max Stolter loves God, so religious, does not push it on anybody.
Yeah.
Well, at the end of the day, it's always about, like, preaching, preaching, and showing, like, love.
Love is a word that is constantly used.
Right.
I think people will say, God is love.
Right.
Okay.
Well, let's, like, let's talk about the definition of love then.
Right.
Because it's not enforcing a belief system or rules onto other people just because you said so.
Right.
Did you grow up religious?
Yes.
Really?
I did.
Wow, I didn't know that about you.
I would, like, yeah, I organized religion and I have.
Murky Waters.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But I, like, I'm very, like, I'm very spiritual, for sure.
Of course.
Yeah.
I think having, like a set of beliefs, like a strong belief system is very important.
Of course.
Yeah.
Me and my friend group have all been single for the longest time since the middle of college or so.
Good for you all.
Well, then out of no.
where everyone in my group besides me
starts getting cuffed up over the past year.
Now there's this weird pressure for me,
even though I'm pretty happy alone right now.
But now my friends aren't seeing me as much.
Oh, that's horrible.
That's tough.
That's really tough.
Because I always have a single girl with me.
Yeah.
Payton.
Yeah, we love you.
Shout out.
Peyton and I, it's always Peyton and I.
But you also like, like, because sometimes when I'm in relationships
or like seeing, you know, I get really excited.
And so I'm like, I jump.
I mean, I would always say if I was in a relationship, I would be with the guy 24 fucking 7.
I jump feet first.
I'm so excited.
And then I realize after like, you know, a month or two, I'm like, I start to panic.
I'm like, where are the fuck are my friends?
Right.
I'm like, where are my friends?
And I start to kind of like, because my friends to me are like everything.
Right.
That's like my foundation.
Like, and so then I'm like, oh my God.
Like, what am I doing?
And so like when that starts to happen and you see people start to kind of like go off,
like that is, it is a real.
It's a very isolating feeling.
So isolating.
My advice would be to have one of the couples take you under their wing as like their adopted child.
Like Kay and Lewis, say I'm their adopted child.
And I never feel like a third wheel.
I would feel like a part of the group.
Like, you know what I mean?
You just need to make your, it's honestly on your friends to make you feel included.
Because it's not their fault that they're in relationships, but it is their fault if they're not making you feel included in their relationship.
Enough in their relationships.
And I'm also.
And find some single friends.
And also, yes.
And find some single friends.
But I'm also one of those people.
Like when my friends are in relationships, I always get really excited because I'm like,
ooh, new friends, new addition to the friend group.
I feel the same way.
I always love to bring, like, the group together.
But I would watch How to Be Single, which I've never seen, but I always prescribe.
I love that.
I'm sure it tells you how to be single.
With Dakota Johnson.
Okay, I'm going to watch that.
Right.
It's apparently one of the best ones ever.
I kind of need that.
I went on vacation with my best friend's family to their house, and they came in,
and I had sex with her older brother on the last night,
whose girlfriend was supposed to come with on vacation, but they broke up a week
before. What do I do? He's not being
subtle and I feel like it's so obvious what happened
and I'm paranoid my friend is going to find out.
Whoa. Okay. By the way,
I would do that.
If my best friend's brother was so fucking hot and he wanted to
have sex with me on the last night, I would do it and just
apologize after. Wouldn't you?
And so here's the thing. We can't, look,
girl, we can't.
Turn back time. We can't.
You can't turn back time. You did what you did.
You have to tell your friend. Right.
You did what you did.
You can't turn back time.
You do have to be honest about it because here's the thing.
If he's not being subtle about it, it's going to come out.
Right.
So get to your friend, be like, holy shit, I fucked your brother.
That's perfect.
Holy shit I fucked your brother.
I don't know what to do.
Burst into her room.
Oh my God, I had sex with your brother last night.
Like the collade man.
I'm so sorry.
Start crying.
Bring out the waterworks.
Yeah, bring out the waterworks.
Start crying.
Be like, I'm so sorry.
I fucked your brother.
Let it, let it out.
Let all the emotions out.
some just like have like just you know word soup if you own something there people can't take shit from you
whenever i have fucked up whenever i own it and i am like just like honestly yes i know what i did was bad
and you own it and you apologize like that is genuinely the best thing you can't control someone else's
reaction right you cannot don't try to play god with people's emotions by like making up some like
excuse or story, just own it.
Right.
Just own it.
When you own something,
people can't tell you shit.
Just own it.
They can tell you shit,
but they'll get tired of telling you shit
because you've already admitted to it.
And yeah, and you've already admitted to it.
You've already apologized for it.
And like, it's their decision
whether or not to move on or...
Right.
It's like you're essentially putting the ball on their court.
Correct.
I'm a photographer and I get good angles of everyone in my work,
but also in my friend group,
it's really starting to annoy me
because when I want a picture,
they take the worst photos ever.
Literally, what do I do?
train them. I've given tips and it's in one year
out the other. I tell as old as time.
Yeah, I don't know how to. I don't know how to help.
That's, um,
some people have it or they don't.
I kind of agree. Yeah.
And like, that's why, that's why you always hear people talk about like,
you know, being the designated photographer of the group.
Maybe ask a stranger. Maybe, do you mind taking a photo of me really quickly?
Maybe ask a stranger or I think, yeah, you can definitely coach people.
But sometimes like people's dedication to like taking bad pictures.
It's just completely...
I get called out for it all the time.
When I was in France, Stoss would be like,
you are putting zero effort into these fucking photos.
I've taken so many fucking photos of you.
Start putting an effort.
And honestly, when you start to put in...
When your friends start to put in the effort,
they will take good photos.
Yeah, and also if you call people out,
then, like, or if you call someone out about it,
then they will start thinking about it.
But also, let's just take a moment for the fact that Stoss
and, like, her understanding of angles...
Is so beautiful.
I told her to write a book.
It's like watching the Mona Lisa be painted.
No, you don't understand.
We were like, we were like, Alex was like,
she was uploading photos from her camera,
and Alex was like, oh, shit,
I only have the mini SD cards.
So she was, oh, don't worry.
Pulls out a mini adapter for the big adapter.
She like, literally, I've never seen anything like it in my life.
She, like, her ability to, yeah, she's, she is like.
She's kind of my god.
She's kind of my god.
She is, yeah, no, Stas is everything.
I miss her so much.
I miss her so badly.
Okay, Madeline, what did we learn today?
We learned.
That man had the audacity.
That man had the audacity, but we've been new that.
Yeah.
We learned.
That you were mistaken for a madam.
That I was mistaken for a madam.
It wasn't as glamorous as I thought maybe being mistaken for a madam would be.
Well, Madeline.
Jake.
I love you.
I love you more.
And we have so much shit to talk.
We have so much shit to talk.
I'm ready.
My body's ready.
I'm awesome.
My body is physically ready.
Bye, pussy.
