Therapuss with Jake Shane - Session 141: Towa Bird

Episode Date: September 3, 2026

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Please, welcome back to Therapus. Tonight we have on my dear, dear, dear friend Toa Bird. She is so exceptional as a musician, as a friend. I just adore her. And I'm so grateful I got to talk to her about her new album, Gentleman, which is fantastic. If you have not heard it, you must. She is incredible.

Toa, I love you. Thank you for coming out on the show. Yes, I did get a buzz cut. And not only did I get a buzz cut, went back yesterday and I got it shorter to the point where I was like maybe I got it a little too short I keep looking at myself one thing about a buzz is when you open your camera roll it is very jarring but what's even more jarring is how long my hair was before and that's something to sit on well enjoy the episode I love you pussies Toa I love you thank you for coming on the show

go stream her new album gentlemen out now well no towa's my to my girl like you don't understand. Toa protects me on nights out. I actually do. I'm like your bodyguard. Toa and Renee protect me on nights out, not from anything specific, just like from life. We're like your lesbian moms. We're like just constantly over your shoulder.

It's like the devil and the angel. And we sort of take turns. You do take turns. I did not know you were born in Hong Kong. Yeah. Fun fact. A fun fact indeed. I can't even believe we like haven't discussed this.

I know because we all, we have we ever hung out? We're usually just drunk. Yeah. We usually drunk. Have we ever hung out normally? I think, I think, no, I think no. I think no. I think no as well.

Yeah, we, I think we have tried. We've tried, but we have seen Renee today and she said if we don't do dinner, like it's, we have to do it soon. Yeah. Yes. We've seen each other at Anna Jack Ty. Oh my God. That was so cute.

That was so cute. It's the best tie in L.A. It's so good. That was really cute. That was such a cute day. I remember you were like, I need to leave. Oh, as always. But that's like, so your thing isn't it?

I eat a lot and then I'm like, I have to go, I have to go. Have you ever had a Chipotle hangover? Are you experiencing that right now? I shot out about it 2 a.m. Just like my head hurt from the sodium. So the last, I've had Chipotle maybe once or twice in my life. And the last time I had it, I swore that I would never do it again because of what my body experienced. I literally like shot out about it 2 a.m.

Because there was so much sodium in it that it felt like I drank. Yeah. Yeah, no, you're hungover from Chipotle. Yeah. I experienced needing to literally shit everything out of my body at 2 a.m. And it was really. Not it. That was like three years ago.

And now I'm a grown and changed man from it. Yeah. How have you been doing? I miss you. I mean with my little brace. Your tiny little paw. What happened? Should we talk about it?

Yeah. It was because we weren't there. It's because my lesbian mothers were not there. That's, that's where you. you went wrong. I know. I know. But I, like, I think I have tendonitis or something or something. Like, my tendon is super swollen and it's like, oh, God. I know. So it wasn't like, it wasn't anything interesting. Nothing like happened and then you have an injury. I just woke up and it was like, it was hurting and then it kept hurting and then it just got really swollen. Damn. I know. I'm so sorry.

I hate an injury. More than anything. Okay. Last time, one of the last times I saw you. No, maybe this is like the time before last. we were on a front porch and I had crutches. Oh, you did have crutches. I thought you're about to bring up how drunk I got that night because I received multiple texts next morning. No, I would never air you out. Without your consent, without your consent. This is your house, baby.

You can talk about whatever you want. You did have crutches. I had crutches. But you were out. And I mean, you were out and about. We have to persevere. We cannot let these things like crutches stop us. No.

And I can't let this. Stop me. But everyone was taking turns on the crutches. Yeah, they were. People were like. They were like the toy for the night. Yeah, yeah. Did you feel cool on crutches?

No. It was so uncool. What happened again? The novelty wore off in like five minutes. And then I was like, fuck, I'm on crutches for real, at the club. Yeah. That was a fun bar. It was really fun.

Have you been back to that bar since? No. Neither of I. We should do a night. We should do a night. We should do a night. Are you, well, first of all, congrats on the album. Thanks, Bay.

I feel so far away from me. I know. But this, I'm really on the therapist. I'm on the therapist's couch, for real. You know, Renee was like one of the first guests. I think she was the first, she might have been the first person, the first guest I ever recorded with. Really? Yeah.

Oh, that's so cute. I know. I know. It's so full circle. Damn. That's actually really sweet. I know. And you've been doing so many great episodes.

Fuck. It's been, it's been a lot. Thank you. But are, how. Okay, well, congrats on your album. Thanks. Thanks, girl. Are you planning on touring it?

We'll have to find out. Right. See, what are you seeing? Do you like tour? I love tour. Okay. I love playing shows. I love playing live.

So excited. I played in L.A. Like, I did a small, like, album release show maybe two weeks ago. Oh, the album's been out for 10 days. Holy shit. Yeah, I was like to say the album is out. Yes, it's out. She's out.

She's out. She's out. She's out. She's 10 days. I was going to say sober. She's 10 days born. She's 10 days. She's 10 days old.

She's 10 days old. How are you feeling about it? So, like, weird. So good and really, like, excited and grateful. And it does feel like the most accurate representation of who I am right now. But then also the kind of the up and down of it all where you put something out and then you're suddenly susceptible to everybody's reception. And that can feel really. I don't know, it just like decalibrates you for a second because you're like so sure about

this one thing and then suddenly everyone has an opinion about it. And even if it's overwhelmingly positive, you're like, whoa, wait, this changes how I feel about myself and my value as well as the work. Do you feel like you need to turn, like get off the apps? I'm not trying to be on the apps. Yeah. It's crazy. I like post and then I run. Run, yeah. Because are you like easily swayed by opinion. Like if I, I, like, sometimes, like, well, it's very different. I don't put out music. But when I put out something that I think is funny and someone tells me it's not funny, I'll be like, wait, is it not funny? Everything you do is funny there, Jake. Oh, too. I actually brought up the, um, the George Washington skit that you did.

I got to do these skits again. This was how many years ago? Two. Really? Yeah. Oh, God. It's been like a decade. It's been a really long time. Um, and how that was like, so, like one of the funniest pieces of comedy that I had seen. Oh, I shine around all the time. I was like, you're just like in your house and it's so you. And it's like hanging out with you. I don't know. It's so nice.

Thank you. But yeah, I feel you on like the people receiving things in a way that you didn't think they were going to be received. It's like it keeps you up. Yeah. And it changes the way you feel about your work, but not necessarily in a bad way. It just kind of changes it. Yeah.

And so I'm kind of. kind of experiencing that where people are receiving it and I'm like, okay, like, I'm responding to your reception and that's got to be okay. Like, I just have to kind of accept it. It's, I feel like for musicians, what I've like learned is from you guys is like when you put out a song, like it's not really, it's yours, but it becomes everyone else's and like everyone else attaches meeting to it. So it must be so not like weird, but like jarring to have people like, touch meaning to a song. Like you meant for the song to go one way and it goes another way,

not necessarily bad, but just different. Yeah. But also, yeah, that's also kind of the beauty of it all is like you can write one song and you be very, very clear about what it is and someone can interpret it for themselves incredibly differently. And that's also the beauty of doing what we do. Have you ever interpreted a song so differently than the artist, like, meant to have it interpreted or my god that's such a good question have you i'm like trying to think uh-huh tell me tell me

i'm trying to remember but i remember speaking to someone once and being like this is what i like this is how i felt about it they were like oh no that's not what i meant no way and you were talking to yeah and that i remember like being like no that's not and i and they were like but it's cool that you feel that way yeah but that's not like or or maybe i had seen them like they'll do like a bt s of them writing it and I was like oh that's not how I interpret it I think that's why like um but I've been like on it like a huge bonnie vericick and I've been listening to so good he's so good he's so good so gas so gas so guys you know what I've been wanting trying to incorporate in my vocabulary lately but I can't for the life of me do it properly tell true Jake rate it do you rate it

I'm sold really it worked yeah it worked on me I'm charmed you like I like I like rape Bonnie Bear. Like, that's what I would say. Like, I rate him. I, like, love how, like, the Brits say that. Yeah. I write that. Yeah.

Well, you know, it sounds very good coming from you. But he gets that's, his music is so up for interpretation that, like, like, he's just saying something. And, like, I saw, like, a Jacob Allorty interview where he was, like, anything that, like, he has, like, certain sounds and lyrics that, like, they just, like, make sense to you. Yeah. I kind of, like, view Lana kind of similarly.

Yes. Yeah. Trapped door mama. Yeah. Do you know what I'm talking about? Yeah, the finiest and Billy video. Trappedor Mama. Trappedor Mama.

What is she saying? And like that and like... Chateau Marmon. That and like Adel Dezim, those two clips are constantly playing in my head. They are two sides of the same coin. Yeah, they really are. They are. And that's the beauty of life.

That is the beauty of life. Trappedor Mama. But I've also been listening to like a lot of like music that is so obviously not about how I take it. And it's so interesting to hear you say, like from an artist's perspective, how you receive that. I'm gonna costume change real quick.

Okay, costume change. Are you guys lunch people? Do you have lunch? I am a dinner person, because I like to eat and go to bed. Whoa. Yeah. So there's no break between eating and going to bed?

No, it's like, remember when I saw you about an interject, I said, I have to get out of here? Yeah. Because I have to go to bed. Is that because you crave, like, solitude, or do you just want to be lying down? I can't.

I just, do it because I smoke every time before and then I overdo it. I'm like, just time for bed. I got to go to bed. I can't think about this. I can't think about anything. Bedtime. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I personally crave solitude so much. Like, I love being alone. Yeah. Have you always been that way? I think so, yeah. I think so. I love it. What about it do you love?

I get to just like actually think. I don't know. I feel like I'm such a, I'm not really like an introvert or an extrovert. I'm somewhere in the middle. Like an ambivert or whatever it's called. Oh. I don't even know that was a thing. Like I love being around people and like get super charged off of it.

But I also equally love being alone. I also think it's good for like creative people because if you're still enough, you actually get the ideas coming through. Like if you like sit still enough. If you're if you're bored, that's when like the good ideas come through. Which is why you hear so many artists being like came up with it in the shower, like came up with it.

Like waking up is because your brain is kind of like you're not really occupied with something else just yet. Right. You're kind of in this place of limbo and this place of boredom and then you're able to Yeah. Come up with stuff. Do you, when you come up with like song ideas or melodies, do you like put them in like a voice app or notes or write it down?

I'm a notes app, girlie. Your notes app? I love a notes app. Huge into notes. My notes app is a fucking mess. What is it is it different like sections or is it just one straight thing? One. It's one.

One straight thing. Yeah, it's crazy. But I have like different notes. for different parts of my like I have like a working out note where I put like do you have that see no yeah I have like different I saw your pull up video oh did you like that's well that's what that's what that's kind of what happened you were flying girl I was flying you were flinging and flying around I was flying around I'm trying I'm really trying to do 12 in a row I'm really trying to do 12 in a row I'm really trying to do 12 in a row it's really hard I'm gonna try tomorrow if my wrist feels better but I don't think it

well. I don't think I can do a pull-up. I don't think so. I think you could. I haven't tried in many. You're kind of like. I'm trying. You're kind of ripped.

Jake, I'm trying. You look ripped. Like, you look great. That is like the highest form of compliments. Well, the first thing I thought you took off your jacket. I was like, oh my God. Jacked.

Have you been on a workout grind? Yes, I have. I feel like my whole life is kind of, I'm like a sports gal. Oh, really? I grew up playing sports. What would you grow up playing? Football soccer I knew

By the way And I knew you were going to say that Why? Do I give that? Because like everyone that doesn't live In the United States plays football soccer Yeah

But I feel like so many Especially so many women Play football here It's so cool Oh yeah it's huge It's huge for women here Yeah It's huge

I hear women soccer Far more than I hear About men soccer in the US It's I love that It's so cool to me Because it's such a male Dominated sport Where I grew up

And where did you primarily grow up? So I was kind of like back and forth between Hong Kong and Thailand for like the first like 16 years of my life. That's so cool. It's really cool. Yeah. I've been dying to go to both places. I've never been.

Really? Yeah. I've never. It surprises me. I'm not the best traveled person in the entire world. I really am desperate to go to Thailand. Yeah. It's amazing.

I'm going for, my best friend is getting married in like February of next year. I'm going to go to her wedding. What's like like? I'm going to stun. I know. I'm going to make it about me. She doesn't know that yet. Oh, well, that's the point of wedding.

Yeah. Like, why else would you go? It's like, this is your only... Yeah. It's like, this is your... This is the best day of your life. Yeah. Well, if you're asking me to make a speech, like...

She hasn't asked me to do that because she knows that I'm going to make it about myself. Well, you have to. What did growing up in between Thailand and Hong Kong, like, look like for you? Like, what did that? Like, what brought you between both places? My parents. I think they're both kind of quite nomadic people. in nature.

Like, they're really curious and they like to move around a lot. Like, they both moved away from their homes to Hong Kong when they were in their early 20s, too. So they just like to explore. Yeah. You know, it wasn't necessarily like their jobs that made them do that.

It was just like the way that they are as people. And I think, you know, I've lived in four countries. And I think they've probably rubbed that off on me a little bit. What do you notice is the biggest difference in Americanized Thai food and Chinese food than the actual Chinese food and Thai food in the countries. I feel like they're almost like different things. Like it doesn't even necessarily feel like a similar...

It's like a separate cuisine entirely. It's kind of like a separate cuisine and both of them are so good. But it just feels a little bit different. I feel like Thai is a little bit closer. Right. But like American and like British Chinese food versus like Hong Kong Chinese food feel quite separate. I don't, I think, I guess it's like immigrant,

like Chinese families had to basically figure out a way that they could cook for like the white palette as well and like kind of make a business as well as like integrating their culture. Right. So I feel like it's different. And it's both amazing and like, yeah. Do you have a dish, a favorite dish from Hong Kong that they don't serve? here in the States or Thailand.

Oh my God. That's such a good question. I feel like I haven't had like egg waffles that have been really good here yet. Like Hong Kong style egg waffles. They're like these little, I don't even know how to describe it. It's, it's, I need to like show you a picture. It's, they're gorgeous. I want to go to Hong Kong so badly.

And you can just like get them from like the auntie on the side of the road and it's the best thing you've ever tasted. Oh, I'm so jealous that you got to like. experience. Yeah. Yes, her. Let me see. Her. Like, you wouldn't think that...

Ooh, that looks amazing. Oh, my God, that looks amazing. Yeah. It's really good. And then you can, like, put little... We'll sometimes fill them with, like, Nutella or, like, whatever. Condense milk. Would you say, like, dimsum is a more Americanized version of...

No, that's very much, like, traditional. Okay. Because I love dim sum. Yeah. Where do you go to get, like, do you ever... Do you have any places that you go to get... like traditional Chinese food here.

Honestly, like, not really. Yeah. Like, I almost, I almost wait, because I go home quite a lot.

And your parents are in Hong Kong. Yeah, my parents are in Hong Kong. So I kind of just like, I just hold out. Yeah. But, um,

Chifa is really good. It's not, it's like, um, a fusion of Cantonese and Peruvian food. The guy who's helped me like creative direct this whole rollout, he owns Chifa. Um,

Umberto umberto leone i know him he does catsai as well yes yes dude he's the best he's awesome i met his kids right i saw them at the cat's eye show so they're two the two like cutest oh i'm obsessed with them they always have a set they always have a set on their nails are always amazing really yeah they're like 12 and they always are like oh setted i wish i was doing my nails like that at 12 i was just painting them you're painting them i was my friend my my my my Because I don't know if I like I want to commit to the full polish now But my friend, what he does

Is he'll get shiny buff on his nails And he'll get a different color on his feet every time Because you can't see the feet most of the time You should see my feet It's crazy down there Really? It's crazy down there Like what do you mean crazy?

So I got I got This is kind of nasty No maybe it's not Actually maybe it's not I mean I just told you that I had a Chipotle hangover So So I got I got a like a gel manicure or pedicure on my on my little toesies and it has stayed for so many months.

That's the one gel. And I'm like, I didn't ask for gel, but then suddenly I was getting gel and like the little light on my feet. Right. And they're like, so Renee actually chose the color because I was like, girl, whatever you want. Yeah. You know, you have to look at my feet all the time. So like just decorate them how you want. And she was like, I want them to be like pink sparkly.

So they're like peptobismal pink. They're like the most outrageous color of pink. I've ever seen. I've been in a pink phase lately. So six months. Six months? Yeah. You've had the same color for six months?

Yeah. I'm like, well, I need to go back to the salon to get them taken off. But I'm like, at this point, I might as well just ride the shit out. No, you ride it for as long as you can. And they haven't chipped. I just keep trimming them down. And they haven't chipped. And they have the root.

Roots of the nail grown out? The roots are like... It's like over halfway. Got it. So it's like roots in a hair. Totally. Yeah. Totally.

Yeah. That's what I mean by... Yeah. Overshare. Well, I mean, I live... I've made a career out of oversharing. But that's also what I do with you all the time, whether or not we're in the setting. Right.

Exactly. So you watch Paradise. Oh. I'm so glad we get to talk about this. You know, it's been my favorite show. Yeah. Renee was like... Because do you guys watch it together?

Yes. She was like, this is the best way I've ever seen. If I, if I, like, do an episode without her, she would be mad. So are you? I wouldn't even, I wouldn't dare. Are you caught up? Yeah. Yeah.

Like, he runs through the. Yeah. What do you think of the finale? Amazing. Amazing. You know, they're only doing three seasons. Oh, God. I know.

So next season's the last. Wait, I'm grieving. I know already. This is really sad. I know. What do you think is going to happen? Do you have any predictions? Yeah.

Like I think it's all about time travel and he is Sinatra's son in a different dimension that has fallen into this dimension. He is so hot. The hottest person to ever walk. He is so hot. I'm like, how do I look like that? No, I, and see that, I want to look like that. Yeah.

Like in another life, I was born his height with his body proportions. Like, that would be amazing for me personally. Yeah. I wish that I could grow a beard like that. Imagine. Have you ever tried to grow a beard? Nothing's happening. Okay.

I'm in a place of stasis, unfortunately, with my beard. Have you wanted to? There's no movement. Grow a beard? Yeah. Just for a vibe. Yeah. It would be kind of fun to have a little beard.

Oh, I hate how fast my facial hair grows. Really? I have to shave every two days. You could have the beard. I could, and I, so we should swap. You should have the beard for me. Really? Or we could be each other's beards.

Yeah. In another life, we're married and we're each other's beard. And you just take care of me. Yeah. As you do on an eye out. I know. I hold you like this every night and I rock you to bed. That's what I want.

Like I don't think the viewers understand just how much time Toa or Renee, me, Peyton and Julia have spent together. Oh, dude, I ran into Peyton in New York. Is she not the best? I feel like, I don't know if this is an accurate read of her, but the amount of joy that emanates off this person. Yeah. I'm like, like every day is the best day ever.

She really tries to make it such, even if it's not. It's so great. Yeah, she's really also just so funny. And so her and Renee together, when they're in the room together, like, I, like, just, I laugh the entire time. No, and also I don't want to talk because I don't want to take up any more room than I already am. Like, it's their show, and I just get to watch it. Like, when's your birthday? March 30th.

You're an Ares. I'm an Ares. Right. What are you? I'm a Scorpio. Whoa. Yeah. I feel like we're kind of unpredictable.

Like our signs don't necessarily match up with our personalities. I don't think I am, I'm very, well, are you into astrology? Kind of. Well, we're both year of the bunny or rabbit.

Yeah. We are because we're both 99. 99. Yeah. I like, that's, yeah. Do you like believe in like Chinese astrology?

A little bit. I like, we'll read into that a little bit more. Like my mom gets the like thick book every, like they put out this big, big book and if you're from Hong Kong maybe you know what I'm talking about but like there's this author called peters-so and he writes this thick-ass book about the whole year and every year every year and about like what animal you are and what horoscope you are and like what it'll be for you that year

oh wow and so she buys the book every year and so we have in our house like or in their apartment where they live in Hong Kong they have like all the books all the years yeah oh I'm fascinated It is fascinating. Peter writes the same book every year. But it's a different book. Peter's like grinding. He has not taken a year off. I'm like, are you a kid?

Yeah, but like how does Peter know? Like, how does Peter know? I don't know. Like, what are his qualifications? I don't know. These are also the questions that I sort of have that I quietly keep to myself. My thing with astrology is sometimes I feel like they're very broad statements that can apply to anyone. And I'm like.

And then you're like, yeah, that's me. But like, you know what? If it makes life makes sense. a little more that day than whatever. Like my friend broke up with her boyfriend got like her co-star was like, I know, it is breakup season. Everyone's breaking up. It's so, I'm scared for everybody right now.

Yeah. It's really sad. It's sad. But I like don't feel any type of way about it because I've been single forever. So I'm just like, whatever. You're like, you're doing your thing. I'll be a good friend, but I'm like. But why is it cyclical?

I always feel like breakup season happens and then three years later, breakup season happens again. Oh, really? Like, I always feel like it's, there'll be like two or three months where everyone breaks up. And then it sort of faces. What's the domino effect? Do you think so?

I feel like, I feel like someone sees one person do it and then they do it and then they do it. And then it's like a trend. Really? Like, that's like people get inspired by other people's breakups. And they maybe have been wanting to break up and then do it because they see someone else break up. Whoa. It's funny when it happens in the celebrity world because you're like, oh my God, are you guys

like all talking? Like, you know? what I mean? Because you remember, you know how it happens? Like, in celebrity culture, like, it happens, like you say every three years, all the celebrity couples break up. Yeah. I feel like it's the same. Really? Yeah, but I don't know if they talk to each other, but they definitely get inspired. Whoa. Yeah. That is, I'm literally having like a profound moment where I'm like, whoa, is, this is a thing. It must be. That I was completely naive to. What celebrity couple that if they broke up, you would be so upset by? I think it would be Aesop and Rihanna for me. Oh, yes. I love

them together. I think I would also, I would have to kill myself, unfortunately. I'd have to also go with the break with the relationship with the relationship. I'm sending myself off the ship. I do love them together. They're so like they're then they make the best public appearances. I'd be upset about Dua Lippa and Callum Turner. You don't agree? I feel like. No, I agree. I, I like them together. They're always on vacation. Dude, I want to be going on vacation. Yeah. I guess when you like travel so much with work. It's hard to see, like, travel. The difference?

Yeah. It's hard to see travel as something to be excited about, which is such like. Well, we know Renee is not excited about travel. I'm still trying to enjoy it. I'm still trying to have that, like, childlike wonder about it where I'll get on a plane and be like, oh my God, this is crazy that we're all just flying in this tube. I used to be so excited to go to the airport when I was a kid. Oh, me too.

I'd be like, oh my God, I'm going to the airport. I'm traveling. And then traveling internationally, it's like, oh, oh, my God. whoa, holy shit. Like passport is happening. Oh, I think when you land in a country you've never been before, it is like the coolest feeling. Like it's like this out of body experience that you have where you're like,

oh my God. It's like you're like starstruck by a place. I know. And I feel like that is that sensation is slowly being, it's like slowly fading away from me because I'm traveling so much. And I feel like you must relate to that too. Yeah. I think I felt that way the most.

though when I traveled to where was it? I think I was like, oh, it was when I went to Tokyo and I went to Tokyo for the first time and I landed in Japan and it was this year and I just remember being like I cannot believe I am in Japan.

Yeah. Like I can't believe I wanted to go here my entire life and I'm finally here 26 years later and I'm here. And then I've also felt that way when I was in London and I went for the first time when I was like 22. And they were all driving on the other side.

of the road and I just thought it was like, it's like the little things like that. I just thought were like the coolest things ever. It's, it's really trippy. It's really trippy to go and like everything is swapped. Right. Yeah. In Hong Kong and Thailand, you, it's the same side of the road though as here, right? No, it's the other side.

It's the other side. It's the other side? It's the, like, UK side of the road. Oh. Yeah. So did you have to relearn how to drive? Well, so that's the thing. I took, I took my test in the UK when I was like 21.

And I also learned how to drive manual because everything is stick. in the UK or in most of Europe, I feel like. So I think driving here was actually so much easier because everything's automatic. And like the whole city is built for and around cars, whereas in London, driving is like hellish. You take the metro here, though. I have a couple times for sure. I'm like, I'm like actively trying. I know you are.

I know you are. I'm trying. Have you tried the new train? The D. Yeah. Ride the D. The D. The D.

I have not taken the D yet because it's a little like out of my way. Where is the D? Where does the D drive? I think the D run. I definitely know it's hitting Lachma. Okay. Is that the big pull of the D? I just wrote the D.

You just wrote the D. Tell us about your experience. I had so much fun. Apparently it's so clean. It was the first time I'd ever. Oh, clean? Written the D. Written the D line is quite clean.

And they have really. really cool art installations. On the D. Yeah. They have like art. Well, like in the train station. Oh, got it, got it, got it. Citrusia food or like spicy food, I get like really hot.

Like my body overheats and I get a little. That's an allergy. A little sweat. Like sometimes I'll eat an orange and start sweating and be like, wait, what? You're allergic. Yeah, to be honest, I came here to find that out. Yeah. Well, I'm glad that you've left with.

With now I am allergic to citrus. And you don't need to see a doctor. Yeah. You just know. I hate going to the doctors. And I used to not hate it. I hate it now. I like dread it.

I'm like scared something's going to show up. I've like reached that age where I'm like. Health anxiety. Yeah. I recently if I've had it and I've never had health anxiety before, which is crazy. Do you have? Do you do you Google? Are you Googling?

Well, okay, here's why I can't Google anymore. So webmd, webmd used to be the real issue for me where I would like go down like spirals. but now that Google gives you like an AI overview of shit like it will tell me I have like a million different diseases so I I can't I'll tell what I will do is call the doctor's office oh that's good I'll call the doctor's office before anything because I can't I can't go down a road it's crazy that health care is not free here it is the craziest thing it's really It's all terrible.

It's despicable. Health care, the health care system here is so horrible. Like, I remember that being like a constant theme throughout my life. Like if my mom had work, like, that's how we would like, because healthcare is so expensive. Yeah. So if my mom had like a stable job, like we would have stable health care, but if not, like you don't. That, like hearing, hearing stories about this, like in the U.S. is very. It's horrible.

Like people are like, like, people like don't want to call the ambulance or call. or call for help because they're scared, like the bill will be so extravagant because it will. That's, that's really wild. Especially like the ambulance thing and like the emergency room of it all. I mean, all of it's insane, but yeah. It's like it costs money to give birth.

Like, isn't that crazy? Wow. Like, I'm just like so thankful that I had the NHS in the UK. Like that's so, which is the healthcare. And so healthcare is free for everyone in the UK. Yeah. That's how it should be. Yeah.

And I think especially a lot of Europe. Like the Scandinavians have it locked in. Have you been to Scandinavian? Have you been to like Sweden, Norway? No. I really want to go. I've been on a layover and I think Sweden. It's amazing.

I know I've heard it's just the best place in the world. Also, everyone's hot. Yeah. The outfits are amazing. The food is incredible. The weather is like really nice. Everything works. Everything's clean.

Free healthcare. Yeah. I want to go. You should go. I want to go to Sweden. We're going to Germany in August for the conscious candy. And, yeah, I'm really excited. I've never been to Germany.

We're going to Dusseldorf. Okay. Well, Toa, what are you therapist about today? Is this a question that you ask all of your guests? Rene's answer for the first time ever, I think she was the very first, I think I asked her, like for the first time what she was therapist about. And her answer was the trend where if your girlfriend brings you an orange, do you remember this trend?

Oh my God. That was, do you remember that? She went on a whole tangent about that. So yeah, yes, but yes, I ask everyone. Okay, so I have,

I have my answer ready for you. And I was kind of therapist about it this morning. Tell me. So it's a little poignant, like it's kind of on the tip of my tongue. I have found out that one of my pet peeves is when people

interrupt me or others, especially others. Uh-huh. Mm-hmm. You know I do that really bad? No, you don't. Yes, I do. You're such a good listener.

What? This whole time you haven't, you haven't not interrupted me once. Oh, Towa, you're mistaken. I've caught myself interrupting you a few times. Okay, then, well, then. Well, as long as you didn't notice, I don't give a shit. But especially when it's, like, someone who's a little shy and they're not the loudest voice in the room, and they're, like, telling, it's when they're telling a story.

Yeah. Do you know what I mean? They're telling a story, and it's like. They have the floor and like someone just keeps interrupting them or like finishing their sentences for them. And I'm like, let them speak. Why did, why this morning were you, did you discover was it annoyed you? I was just, I was thinking about all of the people in my life who interrupt me. I was like, why do they do that?

Like what is the, what is the urge to like finish a sentence for another person? I think it's a form of narcissism. And I also think it's for me a form of excitement. I, well, okay, so that's the, that's a, I guess I should clarify. It's not all, it's not all interruptors. And it's, it's when, when it feels like it comes from a place of my voice is more important than yours. Right.

Rather than, I can always tell. Yeah. Rather than, I'm so excited by what you're saying. So I like, want to add to the conversation and kind of like, keep it moving. Mm-hmm. I think that's different. Very valid thing to. be therapist about.

Yeah. I've been working on it every day. Really? Yeah, she checks me every time. She'll say stop. You really have to stop interrupting your guests. Okay, so then maybe, maybe, but I think that's the distinction because I've never felt like you're a big interruptor at all.

So I think, I think yours comes from a place of like, I'm just like giddy and happy and I want to be involved. Yes. I'm never like interrupting this person to take their moment. Yes. Whereas I think for some people, it's very much that. Right. And especially when I see it happen in front of me, I hate it.

Are you a confrontational person? Like, would you say, like, why'd you just interrupt them? No, I'm not a confrontational person, so I just have to be resentful about it instead and, like, be quietly, like, furious. Furious. What else are you? I'm trying to be more confrontational, though. Really? Yeah.

I'm trying to call bitches out. I can't. It's terrifies me. I had a whole therapy thing about it today where I was like, is, like, is, like, is, calling this person not even worth my time. Right. Like, you know what I mean? It's literally wasting my breath.

I do also think, like, my version of calling people out, by the way, would never be like, it would be like, hey, by the way, the way you said that really hurt my feelings. Like, it would not be, I would not be clocking anyone's tea. It would literally just be like, but I'm really sorry to like inconvenience you by saying that. And I hope that that doesn't ruin your day. Right. It's funny because you're dating one of the more confrontational people I've ever met my entire life.

Yeah, yeah. But that's why we're... And she would be proud to hold that title, my ad. That's why we... Yeah. That's why it works. Like, it's perfect. Like, if I have a problem, I, and I need someone...

Like, if I'm, if I, if it's a night out and I have a problem with someone, like, I know I can run to rennie and be like, I need you to help me here. Yeah. And she would literally be like, I'm so glad you asked. Like, with pleasure. With pleasure. To the point where I will not be having a problem with someone, but she will think that they'd, have looked at me a certain way and will be having a problem with them for me. And I'm like, there is something happening that I'm...

When the gum, when she starts chewing the gum. When the gum starts going, that's... It's the like... Yeah, the... And sometimes the finger comes out, that's when you know. Oh, the finger. The finger. The finger is fucked.

Yeah, the finger's like... Something that, like, my friends and I make fun of her for is when she is having a conversation with the person that she's angry about in her head, but is talking to you. I do that too, and people think I'm angry at them. And I'm like, no, I'm really angry at the situation. Like, she's very much like, you motherfucker. Yeah.

You fucking. She'd be like, you motherfucker. You fucking cunt. And you're like. But I think that's why I love her so much because I know she's not talking to me. What the hell does I do? Like I know she's not talking at me when. It's so good.

It's so good. Like she's in the moment. Yeah. With you and you get to be like... She's just a theater kid at heart. I think that's what it is. That's what it is. And I'm not a theater kid at all.

I did not grow up doing theater. I don't have any friends who have done theater like from my home. You know what is so interesting that I actually recently discovered about you is that you basically came into this career by posting literally one TikTok video. It was like the first TikTok video you ever posted. So we're in where you in where you wait that luck was crazy by the way what that it was one TikTok that well it's you're talented so of course it was going to happen thanks well it's true did you become accustomed to this sort of like instant gratification that TikTok brought that then putting out like a real body like a full body of work doesn't quite give you current or were you able to balance the two oh man that's such a good question I mean I feel like I I feel like I separate them. very much in my head. Like doing TikToks and posting on social media does not.

Because this feels like long, like I spent a year doing, just writing this album. And then like I started in February of 2025 and it's like, what, May, 26. So it feels so long term. Like it feels like a commitment. Like it's a baby. Whereas a TikTok, I'll spend five minutes making. Right. Yeah.

Like the longest amount of time is maybe like an hour. Did you ever struggle with the slower pace of like an album cycle as opposed to like just like, because you can put anything out on TikTok and have like immediate reactions? Yeah, sure. Oh, I see what you mean. I see what you mean. I kind of hate the immediacy of TikTok. Yeah.

Like it doesn't allow for any like space or like slow processing like with with an out. I feel like you watch a TikTok and then you never see it again. Yeah. Yeah. You know, like it never feeds you the same information again. Whereas for music it's so like or with any art really like movies, film, television, anything, it's so like consistently. You can watch the movie three or four times. You can listen to the album for the rest of your life.

Whereas like you don't go back and watch the same TikTok over and over again. There's only a few TikToks that I will go back to. The George Washington one being one of one. Well, thank you so much. But I think, yeah, but I know what you mean. It's like it has to really be a special. Yeah. Special TikTok to go back to it twice.

Yeah. So I don't know. I see them so separately, but like, yeah, I don't even, the immediacy of the gratification that comes from TikToks, it doesn't feel like very much to me. Like it doesn't feel super like meaningful. Whereas like the reception that I get from an album feels so meaningful. Right.

Like that feels so, I'm so sensitive and so like vulnerable to it. Whereas TikToks, I'm like, fuck it. If you hate it, then you hate it. Yeah. Do you, what are you listening to right now? And also, I don't know why this question popped into my head, but when you were talking about, like, going back to an album, I was like, I wonder what your favorite album of all time is that you always go back to. The Beatles album, Abby Road, but the B side of the vinyl.

Those four little lesbians are cooking back then. I know. Are you excited for the Beatles biopic? Oh, I don't know. Mixed feelings. It's nerve, it's nerve-wracking. Biopics are always nerve-wracking. They're little haircuts.

I saw like, their little haircuts. They're little haircuts. But you know, you know a biopic that I watched and I was like, or a biopic that I really want to have been made yesterday is the Madonna biopic. Oh yeah. I need it. And I think Julia Gardner is playing Madonna. Oh. And I'm like so sat for it.

I like, because I feel like Madonna's come up. So interesting. Yeah. So this is an artist that I, like, I'm not as familiar. with as maybe oh really yeah i'm not and i want to be so that's why i'm like really interested in like i used to watch like uh um she's so sick julie garner so sick and madonna of course obviously but i don't i don't have to yeah i don't have to say that i i used to watch on like m tv or vh1 they would have like um like the an hour long like story hollywood story time of like how like an artist came to be

and i i remember watching when i maria carrie she should have a biopi her life is fascinating her the way that she sings is wow her voice is amazing i just watched the tic-tok of like her singing and like it was maybe like five minutes long and yeah she has the voice of an angel yeah i used to be such i mean i am i am i am i had used to be in like the biggest maria face when i was in high school she's so she's bangers nasty with it she's so her voice is so crazy And her pen game is underrated. She writes all her own tracks. Yeah.

Tracks. Okay. Yeah. She writes all her own music. You just kind of became straight. Yeah, I did. I don't know why. Are you still hot?

I'm still hot. I'm a little hot, but I'm kind of... Less hot than you were? I'm enjoying it. Okay. Okay. Again, it's reminding me of my like hot room Pilates situation that I had this morning. I don't go to hot Pilates enough and I should because every time I do go, I'm like, I feel

like I've touched God. It's amazing. Yeah. And I do have to say, like, this morning was especially amazing because my friend took me to her, like, studio and I had never been there before. And the instructor, amazing, just maybe, like, barely five foot, like skin tight leggings, just this little guy. And he, it was, like, literally his stage. And he was, like, he was, like, step, like, downward dog, step right through. Warrior One into Warrior 2.

And everything was... Everything was rhyming. And I was like, your flow is amazing. And what do they say? They say, they say, and what do they say, like, into Savasana? Like, what is the one thing that they'll always say? They're... Shavasana at the end?

No, but they'll be like... Into the, like, upward dog? Yeah, the Chaturanga, downward. I don't even know. I haven't done Pilates in a long time and I need to. But it was like this yoga flow where he was just like spitting so much game. And I was like, wow. This is really just your world and we're living it.

And also kind of at the same time, I'm like, what in the LA fuck is happening to me right now. I used to want to be a soul cycle instructor when I was a kid. It's a, that's a cult. Yeah. That's a cult. That's a cult. I'm like, sign me up for the cult. Yeah.

I mean, were you ever a soul cycle person? I don't think I've ever been to a soul cycle class. And I, like, hope to keep that the same until my. My last breath. They got me for a while. My mom was like, what are you going to? And I was like, I don't know, but I have to go. They used to have soul cycle, like, warehouse merch sales where, like, they would have an entire warehouse of soul cycle merch and it would be on sale.

And I would go with all my friends. And I wore this soul cycle zip up hoodie to the ground when I was in high school. I just was obsessed. And I wanted to be. Oh, you were a kiddo. No, I was like, I was like 13. when I started doing Soul Cycle. Oh, shit.

Yeah, I know weird, right? I feel like there should be, you should be like over 17. Yeah. Well, I had to make sure I was tall enough. You ride the bike. You and your like little heels? Yep. Yeah, I literally would have at the time.

Wow. Incredible. Yeah. I need to know more about the side of you. My fitness class. Yeah, your fitness class in your like Soul Cycle episode. I, there, I'll put the photo here and I'll show you after. but like I used to celebrate my birthdays at SoulCycle.

Like they would bring me cupcakes. This is major. I was an all SoulCy smell the same. Okay. I could like, I like, like, like, so. Can you explain the smell or is it just like unscredable? It's like you walk in, you click your feet into the bike and they like. Do you have like special shoes?

Yeah. And like a real diehard soul cycle person will have their own shoes. Okay. And they're like, walk into the studio with their own shoes. And they're like, it's like over there. There was like celebrity. SoulCycle instructors, like, the schedule comes out at the same time every week. All the bikes would get, and then if you were really special, you could book early.

It was the craziest thing ever. I don't know if they still make money. Really? You think they've gone out of business? It's all about Solicor now. It's all about Solicor, yeah. That's all I hear about. I don't hear about SoulCycle as much as I used to.

SoulCycle was like the thing in high school. All solid cores smell the same, by the way, too. What is Solid Core? It's like, it's like cracked out Pilates. But it's not Pilates, because I feel like it's not even trying to do that. It's like Pilates, but the best way I can describe it is like holding a plank for like 45 minutes. Oh, so do you go to Solid Core all the time, don't you? No, last night.

You did? Did you enjoy it? Yeah, I love Solid Core. But would you agree with me that it's kind of cracked out Pilates? Yeah, they say it's strength training. Yes. Yeah, they don't claim Pilates. But you can't, yeah, it's not Pilates.

Like, you don't do any of the classical. moves. But yeah, it's holding a plank or some like insanely hard hamstring position for like 30 minutes. The hamstrings are going to get me every time. Every time. Every time. And when it's shoulder day and you're just literally on your shoulders the whole hour. Yeah. It's brutal. What else are you and Renee watching right now? We just finished season two of beef, which is so. I don't watch it yet. You should watch both. Are they that good? People ride for that show. It's really. It's really. good. I really enjoyed it. Like, so good. What did we watch? We watched

Project Hell Mary, watched the drama. Did you like Project Hell Mary? Yeah. I loved. Did you cry? That's another hot man. Like very... Oh, uh, Gosselin. Yeah, imagine if I was like, no, the little Rocky. I was like, who was in my movie?

A little monster. Ryan Gosselin. Yeah, he is... He's very charismatic in that. I was very charmed by him. And I loved his little like Paddington coat. Like, he had that like, yellow... trench situation that was happening. Space scares me. But I love movies about space.

I love space. I used to want to be an astronaut. Really? Yeah, when I was a kid. Did you have you ever, have you watch a bunch of space movies? Not even. Let me put you on.

Have you ever seen gravity with Sandra Bullock? Yes. Yeah. Okay, so I didn't put you on. Wait, I have seen that, yeah. Okay, and you've obviously seen Interstellar. Yes, I've seen that one too. I'm like, is there other space film?

I've seen a lot of them actually. What about the Mars one? You ever seen that one? I've never seen Apollo 13. That's a good one. What's that about? That's about the actual Apollo mission where they go into space and I mean. So you believe the moon landing happened.

Are we not believing the moon landing? Some people don't. Like really? And people ride by it. I believe it happened. You're like, I'm coming out. Just for clarity. No, someone once called me a flat earther and I was like, I'm not a flat earther.

I am. Are you really? No. Okay. Imagine that would be fun. That would be kind of fun. Maybe I should just start. throwing that around.

I mean, yeah, because it's not that controversial. I mean, it is controversial, but it's not like, I mean, I get, it's kind of fucking stupid. Yeah, it's like really, it's really stupid. But so, okay. Could be fun, though. Like, I might just make that my new, like thing. That you're a flat-earther? Yeah.

You know, who would do? That would be role model, Tucker. Tucker would pull some shit like that. But it would be private. No, he would tell everyone. Yeah. Yeah, that's the difference between me and Tucker is he would, like, put it on his story. Yeah.

And I would, like, seed it in all of my, like, interpersonal relationships. That would be the way. Like, isn't it so funny that the Earth is flat? Anyway. Yeah. Why do you want to be an astronaut? I just, I don't know. I was like, this is so, it's so cool.

It's so unexplored. Like, there's just so much of it. I don't know. Like, I love to ponder. Yeah. I was definitely, like, a kid that, like, lived, I lived in my own, like, fantasy and my own imagination. Do you journal?

Yeah. Do you have journals for when you were a kid? Yeah. I got to go and read them. They're all in Hong Kong. That's awesome. I wish I had that shit. I don't.

That's how I came out. What? You came out to... Journaling. Like, tell me more. To my little journal. I remember it was like, I had like a black and white, like, it had like black and white waves on the front. Like, it was such an ugly journal.

Um, and it like made a noise every time you opened it. It was like a squeaky little like spiral bound journal. But that's how I found out I was gay. I was like writing and I was like, oh, my fault. Well, sometimes like... I was like, oh, whoa. Sometimes writing allows you to access thoughts that you didn't know you had. Yeah, I think that's what happened in that moment.

It was like 11 maybe. Have you ever reread that journal entry? No, I need to, I don't know where it is. There are like a couple journals that are missing. And because my family moved around so much, like, I don't know where she might be. Right. But it might just like appear. I really hope you find that.

I know. That'd be so cool. But you just remember the moment and the feeling. Yeah. I remember. I was like in my auntie's house. like also came from a place of boredom. Oh.

Because I was like visiting. I was like, you know, when you're like with family and there's just like a bunch of free time in the day. And so I was like, I went back to like my room where we were staying. And I was like, I think I'm gay. Yeah. And now. Gay. And now.

Straight. Yeah. Husband. Husband. Actually. Yeah. Perfect. Yeah.

Do you want to do the tummy what's wrongs? Yeah. I am incredibly gullible. I literally will believe anything anyone says to me. I can't read signals or body language or sarcasm for that matter. What should I do? I can't go on my whole life being lied to and not knowing about it and not being in on the joke. Dash Ava.

Hi, Ava. Oh my God, Ava. I'm so sorry, first of all. For being so gullible. I just feel like that's, you can't fix that. Yeah, my advice is stop. Yeah. Sorry.

I think. I think you just need to embrace the gullableness. I think it's really endearing. I think it's endearing too. I think it's sweet. I think if you reframe it to being something you embrace as opposed to something you're ashamed of, you'll be like, yeah, I'm gullible.

And all my friends can play pranks on me, and it's so funny and fun, and we have so much fun and we laugh so hard. Because when, you know, the song is the pranks aren't with malintent. I love pulling pranks on my friends. It's like literally my favorite thing to do in the entire world. Yeah, well, we call it pulling a pee.

pulling a prank. Pulling a P, your pop. P for P. Are you and Renee, big pranksters? I like to partake in the prank. She's not really in on it. But she likes to observe. I prank cast my prankacity all the time.

The phone calls, the FaceTime. The FaceTime. The FaceTime. I always get her because she doesn't know anything about American history or anything. So I'll just pull someone randomly out of like the textbooks and she'll just be like, what are you talking about?

I told her she saw Mary Todd Lincoln at the club the other night, and I asked her why she didn't tell me, and she said, who the fuck is that? Mary Todd Lincoln. That's so good. I'm sorry, she was fucked up. Yeah, that's... She was messy. That's not a real person.

I go, indeed it is, actually. I feel like I'm maturing out of my relationship. He's so sweet and loyal and treats me the best, but like, that boy isn't going places anytime soon, and I'm ambitious. I don't want to make too many big life choices at, once. So should I just try to grow and hope he follows suit? Damn girl.

I think you're out. I think you're out. I feel like you know it too. If you're writing into therapist. If you're writing into therapist for us to post you, I think you know what your answer is there. Have you ever seen the movie someone great?

No, never. Oh, it's like that's what that movie's about. It's like they're growing. They've completely grown out of this relationship. They both have different ambitions and like they have to. It's sad. Yeah. There's so much good music about that.

Yeah. There's so much good music about like, like, like Casey Musgraves Deeper Well, like, you know, or a song, like, I'm trying to think of another song that I would listen to Deeper Well. That that's a song about like growing and finding. Yeah. Do you think I'm wrong? No. Oh, okay, cool. I had a really good song.

What's on? What's on? Happiness. Happiness by Taylor Swift. Oh, my God. I have not. I don't know. I don't know that one.

Oh, my God. Toa. I'm not knowing. It'll change you. It's just. just basically like there was happiness because of you. There will be happiness after you and both things can be true. I think those are the actual.

As tears full. But like it's true. It's like finding solace. I always said like this year is about the year of two things existing at once. Yeah. I feel like we view things or have viewed things as such like this way or this way. And like two things can be true at once. Two truths, no lie.

Yeah, exactly. And, like, you can be, have had so many joyous memories with this person and also continue to have joyous memories after. And both things can be true. There will be happiness because of you. Dash Taylor Swift. End quote. End quote. So listen to happiness by Taylor Swift.

What a great prescription, Louise. It just literally came to me. Wow. Wow. I am desperately in love with my best friend. He told me he loved me and we should be together months ago. Oh, my God. Amazing.

And I ended things with the guy I was seen for him. And he completely did a one. and faded me and we never spoke about it again. That's crazy. I'm still in love with him, but he wants nothing to do with me in a romantic way. It's been months and it's driving me crazy. What do I do?

I would drop him as a friend. I would drop him as anyone in your life. Yeah, because he wanted you to, he wanted the power of your feelings. And then the second he got it was like, never mind. Yeah. And like, that's a shit friend and that's a shit partner as well.

Mm-hmm. Because like you don't want to start a life with this person if they're going to drop you like that. Right. Or change up on you like that. Yeah. Because how do you say you're in like a complete 180? That's narcissism.

Do you watch reality television? Not a whole lot. You guys should watch Rhode Island. It's brand new. It's amazing. It's like really and truly like they've all known each other since high school. So they all shit talk each other like from their past. It's actually like really beautiful.

I like saw some moving television this morning. You were watching it this morning? Yeah. Well, I watched it with my. Chipotle hangover at 5 a.m. Oh, fuck. And then I fell sleeping. Oh, you were really hungover, huh?

You were up. I was literally up. Everyone was like, why are you up? I was like, Chipotle. And not in the way that you would think I wasn't like shitting my pants. I was just like my head hurts. I'm sick from this Chipotle. It was a bowl or a...

It was a bowl. And I also got a kid's meal. Kizadea? No, like tacos on the side because you can't get an extra side of white rice. And that's the only way I know how to get an exercise of white rice. Is kids meal? Yeah. That's so, that's so genius.

Well, Chipole needs to say. figure the fuck out how they market themselves on Uber Eats because it's actually very frustrating. You can't get a side of salad dressing. You can't get a side of white rice. You can't get extra white rice. The whole thing makes no sense. Whoever is running their marketing at Uber Eats is so in the wrong. Someone called them right now.

I don't know how it's not been woken up sooner. Let's make a fucking phone call. Order it totally is difficult and it makes me not want to do it. That's what you're a therapist about. That is what I'm nervous about. Why can't I get a side of salad dressing? Why do I need to get a salad? Asking the big questions today.

Why do I need to get a salad in order to get a salad dressing? Why can I get an extra side of white rice? Why can't I get an exercise of vegetables? Now you have a kid's meaning. I'll pay. I'll pay. I'll pay. Just put the fucking option on.

Now you have a fucking kid. Can you like write in the notes and be like extra rice? Oh, that's the other thing. No notes. You can't write like a little comment. Yeah. So it's just like this is the way it is. And I don't like the way it is.

Me and my friends go to the movies a lot and we have this one friend who never shuts the fuck up. Next sentence that I can. understand. They're not the quietest chatter in the bunch either. How do we put them down gently? It feels like telling a child sin is not real. To tell your friend to shut the fuck up.

Wait, Santa's not. It's like they're scared. It's like, I think they're equating it to be telling someone they smell. Yeah. The whole Santa part is kind of throwing me off. But. But I feel like, I don't know. Now that I'm trying to get better at confrontation.

Oh, yeah. How would you do it? I would tell them. I would try. Just be like, wait. The movie's playing. When someone is like, I think it's,

I think it's really fun when someone's yapping during a movie, like quietly, but it, it's not, it cannot be throughout. Yeah. Like, I think that's,

I think we should cap it at like four comments per movie. A thousand percent. Anything above that, it's like. And if it's really your best friend, like you can tell them to shut the fuck up. I get told to shut the fuck up on the daily. That's also another thing.

It's like, if this is like your true friend, you can be like, come on, dude. Yeah. Shh. Shh. Yeah, there's so much power in sh.

Sh, shh. I've been told to sh so many times, and I listen every time. Does it ever offend you? Do you get like, are you hurt by it? Sometimes, like, when I'm really on a roll, I'm Louise, will be like, shh. I'll be like, oh, the fuck. What have I done that? You've done that a few times.

You've been like, shh. Have I? Yes, you've been, like, pipe down. I don't think I said shh. Maybe on a call, you'll be like, shh. Oh, I have done that. I have done that before. I'm gaslighting me crazy.

Well, yeah, like, I want to call. Like, he'll, like. I feel like is definitely warranted, unless it's funny. Unless what the person's saying is funny. Yeah, then all the rules fucking got the window. Yeah, that's why I'm like, I try. Thank you for saying that. I've been long distance with my boyfriend for a few months now,

and I'm starting to actually really enjoy it. Same. Almost to the point where this, when this period is over, we're in college and he's studying abroad for a semester, I'm going to almost prefer the space. face and alone time. But I love him and being in a relationship. Help.

I want to fix this before he gets back. I don't know how to help you because I've never been in a relationship. But it's sounding like to me, it's like the very early stages of like it's time to break up. I think, yeah, I think maybe it's okay to be alone. Right. You can, the truth's saying it's like you can love this person very dearly and also want to just be by yourself. And also they're saying like I am happy and like I like him because of like they're like I like being in a relationship.

Yeah. Yeah. So they're like scared of the instability of not. But I think that's that's probably why you should do it. I completely agree. It's like you know the thing of like when you're uncomfortable with something, you're usually like on the precipice of like discovering something really amazing about yourself. What?

Do you know what I mean? Is that true? I have literally nothing to back this up with. But you know what I mean? Yeah, I do know what you mean. That's why I was so like... When you're uncomfortable, you're usually in a place where like you get to learn something about yourself or you get to do something really amazing.

So bask in the uncomfortability. Thank you. That part. My boyfriend isn't an animal person. This wasn't a problem when we met because I was so in love. But now that we live together and I really want a cat, what do I do? Get a cat. But he's not an animal person.

He doesn't want a cat. That's it. This sounds like a fucking him problem. Right. And not your problem. Is you like it? If you think an animal could make or break a relationship? It shouldn't.

I don't think. If the foundation is strong enough. Yeah. Oh my God. I would listen to bones by Marin Morris. Because if the bones are good, the rest don't matter. Wow. Right?

Your information recall is really good. Really? Yeah. Thank you. Look at you pulling all these references. Well, because if the bones are good, the rest don't matter. Right. And a cat is only going to strengthen the rest of the rest of the rest.

relationship or if it's if the bones are not good bring to the surface the broken bones it's not tetris what the fuck is it jenga so the second time i've done this in this podcast where i've said tetris instead of jenga it's kind of tetris in a in a weird sort of way if you really think about it if you really think about it Renee and i played massive jenga like mega jenga it's it was like a huge jenga like one of the days before we started like seeing each other that was like oh on the beach it was like No, this was, this was before, pre-beach. Got it. That was like one of our last activities that we did just as friends.

It's play mega jenga. And now look where you are. In a loving relationship of two years? Three years? How long has it been? Like two and a, two and a, yeah, two. Time flies. So crazy.

How do I tell my boyfriend of four months now that I made out with his brother at a party a year back? his brother moved away and I know they're not super close so I don't think he knows. Like I have to tell him, right? Yes. Yes. Yes, you do. You just have to tell you have to get ahead of it before it becomes a lie. Because it's not a lie yet.

You're just like holding back the truth. And like the longer it goes on, the worse it'll get. Question for you. And like I don't have an answer for this, but do you think that holding back the truth is lying? In a sense. Yeah, I do. I've been trying to figure that one out recently. Like you're, I don't know if it's like directly lying, but you're not like showing someone who you are entirely.

Yeah. Which is in a sense of lying. Yeah. Okay. So I would like tell him before it gets out of control. But yeah, back to Queener. Yeah. I feel like you got it.

You got it. You got to just fucking rip the band. I think by the way, made out with your brother once. Also, I feel like boys, do boys care about this stuff? I don't know. I mean, if they're insecure, they care. Oh, really? Right?

I feel like, yeah. But what do they, what do they care about? Is it the fact that she made out with? His brother before he hooked up with her. But is it because it has to do with her or because it has to do with him? Well, there's only one way to find out. She has to open her mouth and let him know. She got it.

Yeah, she'll do it. She has to let him know. You have to let him know. Yeah, I think it's really important. I don't know why I'm getting like dark energy from it. But I'm getting like, if you do not tell him, things will go south. Yeah, that's like a. fucking taking time bomb.

Yeah, agree. Do it now. Well, Toa, what did we learn today? Wait, this is the end? I'm so sad. Wait, really? Sometimes I feel like I'm trapping people. I'm so happy you don't feel dropped.

This is the best jail ever. Really? Yeah, you're a little fake. It's all, yeah, it's all fake. Oh my God, I'm so happy. You had so much fun. Well, it's so easy with you. We know each other.

I know. I mean, that kind of changes the game. Right. And we need a night out soon. Or just a chill day. Chill pool day. But what did we learn today? Okay, what did we learn today?

I learned that you came out via journal at age 11. Yeah. I also came out when I was 11 to my parents or 10. Oh my God. Around that age. It's really, that's really young. Yeah. It's really young.

But if you think about it, like everyone has crushes at that age. Yeah. We just figured out that. But I feel like most people don't until they're a little bit later on in their life. Were your parents chill about it? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. That's so nice. It's like, it's such a privilege to be able to have a family that will accept you. Yeah. It's so, it's so rare. It is rare. Most of the time.

I didn't know it was rare when I was a kid. Yeah. Which I feel lucky that I didn't know it was rare because that means I grew up in a great household. But it is rare. Yeah, the spark notes are Earth flat. Earth flat. Earth flat. Wrist hurts.

Uh-huh. Journal. Journal. Gay. Gay. Gay. And ride the D. Ride the D.

Ride the D. Louise is really like down for the D. She spoke about it before you got here. She was like, I literally love the D. Yeah. I need to go and ride the D. I'll write the D with you. Yeah, we should go on a little outing.

I want to go to Lachma too. Oh, I love Lackma. And they have been you like exhibition. Yes, it's very, it's insane. I have not. Oh, it's unbelievable. I'll go with you. Yeah.

Let's go. And we'll ride the D. And we'll ride the D. We could go, we could meet at Lachma and then ride the deed to our next destination. And then get food. Oh my God, a daytime activity for us? I don't think we've ever heard of that.

I've never, I don't do day time. Who is that? Well, Tawa. Thank you so much. Thank you for coming on Theraplus. Congrats on your album. Thanks. It's incredible.

Thank you. I hope to see you live soon. Hey. Right. Right. Right. And I just adore you. I love you.

Thank you for coming on the show. You're the best. You're the best. Bye, Pussies.