Therapuss with Jake Shane - Session 24: Ed Sheeran

Episode Date: June 6, 2024

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Hi Pussies and welcome back to Therapus. It is now Wednesday. So I have fully recovered from my Sunday night, which was spent at the Zach Bryan show. Shout out, Brianna. I love you more than anything in the entire world. Thank you for setting all of that up and bringing me on stage with him. I went with Tate. It was our little date night halfway.

And we were just, you know, we were dancing. We were singing and halfway through the show, Brianna, was like, do you want to sing revival? And I was like, no. I was like, I don't think I can do that. I'm like a little too, I'm a little too anxious to do that. But then Josh's girlfriend, who I fucking adore Gabby, was like, you have to do it. Like, please, please, please do it.

You have to do it. And Brett was also in the audience with her boyfriend. And I texted Brett. And I was like, do I do this? And she's like, you absolutely. have to fucking do this. And then her sweet boyfriend texted me, you got this. Like, go up and do it. Like, you can do it. I know you can. And I was like, okay, I'm going to do this. I am going to do this. So then he basically, Zach does his final song of the set list, final song,

because then he does his, um, what is it? Encore. Um, he does quit in time. And then it happens really, really, really fast. Brianna was like, okay, follow me. And then you walk back. He comes back out for revival, you follow him back out, you wait, and then you go up and she's like, go, like, go sing. And you're like, what? And he, she's like, go sing. And then so, like, I don't know, there's, there's probably a video of me looking back and being like, what are you what am I supposed to do? And then he, like, Zach is just the like nicest person literally ever and like gave me a look

like, come on, like, while he's like performing to like a sold out, sick fucking show. and we sang revival together. And it was like literally the coolest moment of my life. I remember being like, okay, like I've peaked. This is definitely the cool. So, Brianna, thank you for pushing me to do that. And thank you for inviting me on stage. I love you guys.

And by the way, I would just like to say that I think people forget sometimes how important, like the team behind someone is. And Zach's team was so incredible and so nice. I just needed to shout them out. Specifically, Jay, I fucking love you, Jay. You made my night. You were incredible. Thank you for everything.

Thank you, Brianna. Thank you, Zach. Thank you, everyone. It was literally like the most surreal best night of my life. And speaking of concerts, once again, this episode of Therapus is sponsored by Seek. Thank you, Seek. Use my code, Therapus 10 for 10% off your entire order.

You can see any concert you want to go to, and there are so many incredible artists on tour. We have Chapel Roan, we have Zach Bryan, Noah Khan, Taylor Swift, of course, Tate McCrae, who if you have not seen live, I highly, I could not recommend it higher. She puts on the best show ever. So please, you must, you must see the think later to our live, but that's just, that's, I could go on about that forever. But please use my code, Therapus 10 for 10% off your purchase at seekeek.com and go see. a live show with your friend. There is nothing, nothing, nothing more important than this world than live shows and live

music. And I will stand by that until the day I die. It is just such a pure form of connection that you can't really find elsewhere in this modern day and age with all this technology. There's something to be said for seeing something live. Okay. Thank you, C Geek, for sponsoring this episode. Now for today's episode, we have, actually can't believe I'm saying this, we have Ed

Shearron on. He is the first patient I have made a house call to. My journey to this house call was treacherous. I had a 24-hour travel day, but I was like, you know what? Like, Ed Sheeran needs a house call for therapist. I'm going to fucking show up for the house call. And we had the best time. We were supposed to speak for like, like, 50 minutes,

and we ended up speaking for like an hour and 40 minutes. And, like, he is just the most down. to earth, nicest guy, which is crazy because he's one of the biggest artists in the world. And I'm really excited for you guys to hear it because he's also really fucking funny. And we talked a lot about music and sports, which I just pretended to know about because obviously I don't know anything about sports. And yeah, I'm really excited for you guys to hear it. Okay, enjoy the episode. Love you, pussies.

Hi, pussies. Welcome back to their... What a way to do you? start. Of course. Well, welcome back to Theropus and welcome Ed Sheeran to Therapus. Hi, Ed. Oh, that was the best intro ever. Oh, of course. They're the pussies. Say hi to the pussies. Hey, pussies. What's going on? Well, this is, this is, I want you to know, this is my first house call. Wicked. Well, thank you. For you. Thank you. Of course, we are in Boston right now. Ed is headlining Boston calling. Yeah. You just got off of your 10 year anniversary of X shows. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I actually,

Actually, do you know, I haven't really done festivals in like a long time. I've done like the odd thing here and there, but it's nice to kind of come to, I've what I found, I hadn't been in America for gigs until the tour last year for, I don't know, five or six years. And I found being back in America how exciting it is. And I was like, I just need to like in between European tour dates or whatever, just always make sure I'm just coming back to America to do stuff. And festivals are a great way to do that. like you're the first person I've ever met from Europe that said that they've wanted to be in America by choice.

I don't know. I feel like America controls so much of the cultural conversation of the world, I think. Yeah. You know, England is a great place to exist and live and create music and be inspired. But I feel like to be part of any conversation, you've got to be here, you know. I mean, yeah, I love America. And I love it. And I'd make it to go to basketball games in American football.

You were at basketball game with Renee Rapp last night. Yeah. How was that? Great. I kind of, I'd never, I'd only ever been to two basketball games before. One was a Celtics Knicks game and one was a Nix, someone else. Okay. So I haven't really like found a team.

And then yesterday I was like, I saw all this green around and all these sort of like Irish symbols. And I was like, well, I guess, yeah, I guess I'm a Celtics fan now. Yeah. But yeah, I was sitting there and I didn't really know what was going on. And, yeah, Renee was like, okay, if you shoot from here, it's a three. If you shoot from here, it's a two. It's a two if they fell and then they get another one, then it's what. So she was explaining.

Yeah. So I feel like I know now. Yeah. I don't know anything about basketball either. I feel like maybe the Celtics are like, because they're a really, really good team that win all the time, that maybe it was quite a obvious choice for me to be like, I'm a fan. I don't want to be like the guy that's. That's the easiest though.

Why would you root for someone that loses? Because I like Tennessee Titans. I like their, the Tennessee Titans. I started rooting for them when they weren't doing that well because I lived in Nashville. And now they're starting to do quite well. It feels like, you know, I've been with them for... You lived in Nashville? I lived in Nashville twice for a year each time.

You like it? I love it. I love it. Yeah, I feel like as a city now, it's become a proper tourist destination. And I feel like I lived in it at the point where it was just turning into that. So it was more of a homely atmosphere, I guess. But, I mean, it still is homely on the, just not in the... The center is crazy now.

Yeah, I'm sure. You've been there in the last few years. I've never been. The strip is crazy. I want to go. I've never been to Texas. I've never been to Nashville, which all blend together in my mind, by the way.

Quite different. I know. I know. But Nashville's like, as a country music fan, it's an amazing melting pot. Yeah. You know, it's great. When did you live there?

I lived there in 2013 and 2018. Got it. Yeah. So did you write the X album in Nashville? Most of it. Yeah. I did some in New York. I did some in Nashville.

I did some in Los Angeles and like the last bits of it, like thinking out loud and I'm a mess, were in England. Wait, so what, where's your favorite place to write? So I have a theory that like instruments and rooms have songs in them. And I find that really good recording studios that have had lots of history in them actually have no songs in them. Because say Abbey Road, the Beatles took all the great songs out of Abbey Road. road, you know? There's a studio in LA called Conway. Like, there's loads of great songs that

have been taken out that place. So I like taking a mobile studio, renting random houses, and making music in those. And I find that that has always worked in, I find myself, it's quite difficult to get inspired in a classic studio, but it's quite easy to get inspired if you, like, rent a farm in the middle of nowhere. Right. There's never had a music studio in it before and create music for, like, two weeks and then move out. Do you think that's because you're, like, staying there? and you're, like, thinking about all the songs. It's like when you're, like, hooking up with your partner

and you're, like, thinking about all the people they've been with before. I actually haven't done that. Yeah, that isn't, like, something that jumps into my mind. That's just where my brain is. So when you're intimate, you're just thinking about... Well, I'm never intimate, but I'm just saying, like, in general. You know, like, you know, like you're in a space

that everyone's been in before and you're like, I don't want to be here. Like, how am I going to make something as good? I think you just got to, you know... do your best. When's your birthday, ads? 17th of February. Aquarius?

Yeah, Aquarius. When's yours? Do you, like, know anything about star signs? I'm not, like, my uncle is an astrologist. So he, like, he says a lot of stuff to me that is a lot very spot on about, like, my kids and my wife or me. Okay. And stuff that relates to my life. But, like, I've never been someone who's, like, because I'm Aquarius.

therefore I'm going to be compatible with this. I'm just usually just either compatible with someone or not compatible with them. Right. Friendship or relationship. But as I said, my uncle being an astrologist, like he's said a lot of things that have happened and have been spot on. So I believe in it, but not to a point where like if suddenly you were like, well, I'm this and it's incompatible with Aquarius, I wouldn't be like, well, we're not going

to get on. Right. Of course. I would. But my thing, I'm a Scorpio. I'm a Scorpio. Aquarius are so fun. You like to go out?

Yeah. Yeah. I like to go in as well. Really? Yeah. I like to like, like, I feel like you should be able to have fun wherever you are. Like, that's Aquarius. I feel like we would have like, you could go to a club, but also we could stay here, put on lines of music and get fucked up.

That's like the opposite of me. That's fascinating. I'm like needing to go somewhere or else I'm just like high in bed and I need to go to bed. So I think when, when you are somewhere, though, that's a good vibe. Do you care if I take off my shoes? That's fine. It's so uncomfortable. Do I take off mine?

Yeah. Your shoes are really cute, though. I've just done a show though. I don't know if my feet smells. I'm going to keep them on. No, it's okay. You can take them off. I'm going to keep them on.

You never know, you know. You never know. I've just been on stage and not like a couple of days ago. I wore these and like, you know. Are those custom to your album? They are. Where did you get these? I got made them by a company called Canvas and they, they like, they made them for the show.

And I just really like them. They're gorgeous. Thank you. Is green your favorite color? It's today. We're in Boston, Boston green. No, my favorite color is probably blue. Me too!

Me too! So we are compatible. We are compatible. I love Aquarius. I never said I didn't. So anyway, going back to the having to go out, I think that once you find of, this is like my pet peeve about going out is,

people always want to go to the next place. If you're having fun at somewhere. And often the vibe dies in the car. Especially in L.A., everything's like an hour drive away. So you're having fun either at the house party or the bar. And you're like, let's go to the club. And then you're in a car for an hour. And then the vibe's gone.

You get to the club. No one talks, a bit shit. You go out. LA's the worst place to go out. What's your favorite place to go out? London's pretty fun. I don't really go. As I said, I would kind of go in in London.

So my favorite thing to do in London is find a good pub that would like, they do these things called lock-ins. So if you're drinking late and you know the people who run the pub, they'll then, as they clean up the pub, lock the doors and you can just stay in and drink until they've cleared, cleared up and then you get to, like, go. But there's a pub in London that on a Tuesday, they do a traditional Irish folk jam, and they just lock it all off, and then you sit down and you all sing folk songs, and then leave it like 2 o'clock in the morning.

That's like my favorite thing to do. That's like my dream. Well, you should come. I will. When are you next in London? Like, literally you tell me. Like, I literally come whenever. No, but if I'm not there, I'll just say, because I go, I know, I know,

the guys that run the place. So I'll just say, I got a friend coming in. Can he watch the the folk jam? Okay. That sounds amazing. It's like a if you know, you know type thing. Right, right, right. They have a pub out the front, which is very busy. But out the back, they have the jams. That sounds amazing. Wait, so are you, you're from London. I'm actually from, so I was born. You were born in London. I was born in Yorkshire, which is like up north. So nearish, if you know about football, it's near-ish, Manchester United. Like, we're not,

that I'm not from Manchester, but I was born near Manchester, a place called Halifax. And then I moved to Ipswich, which is on the east of England, which is kind of the equivalent of here or like Rhode Island or Maine or something like that. Like, it's not like a major town or city

in terms of New York or L.A., but it's like, people know it. But so I moved there, I lived there. Well, I still lived there, but I moved there when I was like four. And then I lived in London for a little bit from 17. And then I moved to the States for a bit. And then I moved back to England.

You've been around the block. Been around the block. Yeah, I've never really, like, I've never really felt at home anywhere other than Suffolk, which is where Ips which is. Like, as I said, like, I lived in New York all of last year, and it felt amazing to be immersed in the culture of America and New York and stuff. But there is always a part of me that misses the countryside. Okay, yeah.

I want to go to the countryside of England so bad. Well, that's the thing that I'll say about England is, like, the tourism of England, I feel like people come and they do London and they go and see Buckingham Palace and they go and do whatever, have a Sunday roast in a pub. But that's like an English person doing tourism in America and just going to New York. Like America is huge and it has all the amazing national parks

and all these great cities with their own sort of cultural differences. And it's the same in England. Like if you were to get a train to Birmingham for the day or train to Manchester for the day or Newcastle or Liverpool or even like go United Kingdom and go. to Wales. There's some places that would blow your mind that aren't just the city with Big Benin. I know. I remember you, because I saw you out, I forget where you played in L.A. You did your latest album. What, what, it was a. Oh, the shrine. It was the shrine. I saw your show at the shrine. And you

spoke about this town or something. And like you drink at a bar and then hop in the cold lake. You remember this? Where is that? That's in Scotland. I need to go there. I left there and I was like, bad is my dream. So that's where, yeah, that's like the highlands. So it's about, you know, like everywhere actually is not that far on the train in England. We'd have quite a good train system. It's like, it's getting like really expensive. It's actually cheaper to fly places than it is to get the train. But if you want to see the country, like get a train up to Edinburgh and then you can get a train into the highlands and you would see everything. It is like a really nice. Oh, I want to go to Edinburgh. Because,

Have you seen one day? Yeah, of course, yeah. Have you actually? Yes, of course. What do you think? I love it. It's amazing, I cried. I was in the recent one day.

Yes. Oh, you saw the Anne Hathaway one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You need to watch. The recent one's amazing. Right. Because they study at Edinburgh and then, am I pronouncing not right?

Edinburgh. So it's, Edinburgh. So it's spelled borough, but you would say Edinburgh. Right. When I was in France, I kept saying,

bonjour. And then everyone was like, that's not like how you say it. At least you're trying, though. I am trying, thank you. I always think when I go to, like, I lived in Italy for like most of lockdown, and no one in the village that I lived spoke English. And so I was like, well, I guess I have to learn Italian.

And then as I was learning Italian, I was like, English people are so obnoxious because usually we would just go to other countries and just talk loudly. Yeah. If we want people to understand us. And I was like, imagine you're in like whole foods. And there's just someone from another country screaming, in their language at the person serving. And you're just like, well, like, what?

Right. You know, that's us. Yeah, that is us everywhere. Unfortunately, I was actually thinking about that the other day because I was like, hi, in France. And I was like, that's not right. I mean, right? Did you enjoy France?

What? Did you enjoy France? Yeah, I loved it. Can I say something about Italy, though? Because I was also just in Italy. And I needed you to keep it real with me. The Italian food in Italy is not it. Okay, so I'm not going to offend my Italian friend.

I love my Italian friends. So this is why, so this is, I personally prefer the blend of Italian American food. And I personally prefer the blend of Mexican American food, Japanese American food. Well, the traditional, traditional, traditional sushi that you get in Japan, I think is unbeaten. But I love, there's like blends that they do in California of like sushi rolls that they're just interesting. I just like, you know. But yeah, I'm with you. I do like traditional Italian food when I'm there.

I feel like this is going to like kick off in the comments. But I feel like, you know, Italians in whenever people emigrated over here, then would live in boroughs of like pizza in Brooklyn, I think, so amazing. Yes, it's because the tap water. And then, no, and then the kind of, yeah, I guess the tap water and the source they use, they would use spices, they might be living next to someone from a different country that uses different spices and they use that. And I think that that's why American food, American, Americanized.

Americanized. Well, not even, not even America. It's because it's still like, it's still traditional, but it's just got hints of, I think because America is full of, it's built on immigration. Right. Um, so people are all, like, there's people from many different cultures living in the same area. And they're taking little bits from every, like, I went to an Italian, Japanese restaurant in, uh, Oh, that sounds incorrect.

I'm just going to be honest with you. It was wicked. Really? Wicked. Yeah. Italian Japanese? Yeah. Two of the best cuisines on the planet.

What's good? Like a pasta sushi roll? No, it wasn't so much that. It was like terriaki pizza or all. I'll throw up. right now. I'll throw up right now. I'm sorry.

This comment section is going to be very, very... No, but the thing is, I... Have you seen the... Who's the... There's like a couple on the internet. It's like an Italian... The Italian boyfriend and

an American. And he like breaks the pastor and she goes crazy or the other way around. Have you seen that? No. Anyway. It's like a couple. One of them is Italian and one of them is either American or English. and it's they're making like big faux pars cooking like getting spaghetti and breaking it in half to cook it.

Look, the only reason I got bugged out by the terriaki pizza is because one time I had a terriaki omelet. Oh my God, I'm actually going to start throw up thinking about it. I mean, that doesn't sound great. Does terriarchy pizza sound any better? Yeah. Okay. I think omelets are a very delicate thing. I think you can't fuck with omelets too much.

It was seriously like I have shivers thinking about it. The worst meal. But that's the thing like the texture of eggs like actually is. The texture of eggs actually can be like really gross if it's not done correctly. Discussing. My dad used to make me eggs every morning before school. He was so fucking bad at it. I'm so sorry.

And I can't. I can only eat eggs from a diner now. Right. I'm going to throw up seriously thinking about we need to move on. I'm very, I'm very particular with eggs. How do you like them cooked? And that's the last question I'll ask about eggs.

If I'm out of the house, I'll usually have poached because that's like you can't really get grim poached eggs. But if I'm in the house, I do scrambled. You don't do hard boil, do you? My kids do hard, hard, no. It's like, that's like the easiest snack for a kid. You just stick an egg in.

We've got chickens at our house, so you just go and pick up the eggs, ball the, ball the eggs, take the shell off and just, and they can just sit there with a egg. You literally have like a hard boiled egg fresh out the chicken. Yeah.

Okay. Well, Ed, what are you therapist about today? If you need inspiration, I can start. Yeah, hit me. Okay. One of my things. therapist about.

I don't really like how I constantly have to show my passport every step of the way when I'm traveling out of the country. It's like, I have it, I promise. TSA. Yeah, I hate TSA. TSA. Like, and what I want, I just want a bit of consistency. Yeah.

I want like, okay, everyone, every time you take your shoes off, no, no lighters in your bag, you always have to take your laptop out. And that's just the blanket rule. And you are always going to get searched when you go. through and and that's it but like sometimes I go and it's like now you keep your shoes on keep your laptop in your bag do this and then sometimes I got given when I was making a multiplier I got given a engraved zippo lighter from Johnny who I made made it with with the lyrics a photograph on and I was flying thank you I was flying from I think LA to Nashville to then get my stuff and then fly home and it had

no light fluid in it was brand new in the box and it was like you know he'd given it to me for my birthday and blah blah blah blah blah and uh yeah it went through the scanner and they just took it and threw it in the bin oh that's horrible yeah and i was like but it doesn't have any fluid in it like you can't anyway it was weird it's but yeah tsa you weren't like i'm ed shearing what do what do you think i'm gonna do no oh mate there was another time where i'd flown with um i really like nappa wine and i had a really nice bottle of nappa wine in my rucksack and i'd forgotten to forgot to take it out and they took it out and they were like look you can't have this and I was like, please do me a favor, just take that home and drink it with your partner.

And he just put it in the bin in, in, in front of me. And I was like, I was like, it's a really nice bottle of wine. Just take it and drink it with your partner. And he just like, look to me and just put it in the bit. But anyway, I, yeah, I, there's obviously really nice people that work for TSA and just sometimes you have a bad experience. Yeah, I have bad experiences quite frequently. You don't have pre-check?

Every now and then, yeah, every now and then. You got to make sure you have it all the time. We do pre-check for like new. I know the people at the New York airport, so we get, like, yeah, it's a guy that, a guy that, like, runs the car company that we use, like, knows all the, right. He used to be NYPD, and he's just got the hookups, but, yeah, not, not, not everywhere. Okay, well, so what are you pissed about? What am I pissed about?

Oh, my football team, which, who have had 22 years of not being very good. It's not like in America. In America, you just have a league, if you're bad, whatever. If you're bad in England, you get dropped down to a lower league. It's less money, not on television. And if you're bad, you get dropped down to a lower league. And then it's just like that it sends clubs into like spirals of bankruptcy. So we were in a really low league, not on television.

And then we got this amazing manager who then took us into the next league, which is sort of on television. And then that amazing manager has now taken us into the Premier League. And we're now back on top as a football club. But there's rumors that Chelsea or Man United are going to poach him. Oh, that's horrible. So I'm a bit pissed about that. Okay, well, tell them that you don't want them to do that.

You can't, mate, it's like, it's his career. He's a great, he's a great coach. And, you know, they will obviously pay him more than Ipswich. But I just, I would just love one season in the Premier League with an amazing manager who knows the team and can, you know, I want the best crack at the season. I wish you could see my brain trying to follow this right now. Wait, so did you ever play sports growing up? I mean, yeah, a bit, I played football a bit growing up, but I was very much like the only thing I was good at was music.

So that's sort of what I focused on. I didn't really, none of my spare time was used. When I was like 10, I played for a football team. But as soon as I picked up with the guitar, I was like, I'm not doing anything else other than, other than music, including schoolwork. I was just like, I was like, I don't need to do my exams because my exams will not help me become. All I need to do is write songs perform, right songs perform. And I was very sort of clear. My parents thought that I was like not going to,

they were like, you need something to fall back on. And I was like, why would I need something to fall back on? I am going to be a singer. Oh, honestly, that's the attitude. I mean, no, now look at you. Yeah, well, I see. You're a singer. This is what I say.

I go and do talks in schools all the time to like music students. And I'm like, if you have a plan A and no plan B, then it will work. Like the moment you have a plan B, you then have something to like fall back on it when the going gets tough you'll go I'll just do this but like the hardest days of my career in the early days were the days where I was like you know all my friends were starting to go to university they were getting jobs they like lived in they lived in places you know I was there just like slogging slogging slogging looking at missing all the parties not doing anything being like why am I doing this and always like

coming back to the point of being like well what else would I be doing and then eventually it worked and those hard times actually led to the good times. And I think you have to have the hard times for it to feel like you deserve it, I think. Like I don't, I don't feel like I have imposter syndrome because I've been on the journey. Does that make sense? Yes. No, that makes 100. That makes total sense. It's because when stuff happens really fast, then you have imposter syndrome. But if it's a slow burn, then you're like, okay, like, I know I deserve this because I know what I've wanted to get here. And when you're on, you get on stage for the first time and, 10 people have bought a ticket to your gig.

You're so fucking grateful. And it's not like you don't see the 200 people that haven't bought tickets. You see the 10. Yeah. And the empty room behind it doesn't exist because you go, I'm just so grateful that people have turned up. Whereas I think if I'd gone in here and you start doing those, I don't know, I think you'd feel a bit more different about it.

No, 100%. Was there a moment that you're like, not not like an I made it moment, but like, okay, this is going to work. Honestly, it was the first paycheck that I got from music. and it wasn't anything big. It was I played a, I played a wedding, and I didn't even play my songs. I played for two hours at a wedding,

and I just played covers, and I got paid £200, which, to me at the time, that was pretty much my rent for the month. And I remember just being like, oh, I can make a living out of music. And it wasn't like, I'm rich, it was just like,

oh, if I do this every week, that's my living, done. And this can be my job, because everyone would always say, get a real job. And then that was the proof that you could actually make a living. all I'd need to do is just play weddings and play covers and do that.

So that was like my first I've made it moment, I guess. And then I guess the next I've made it moment would be the first gig that someone who you don't know buys a ticket to your show. Because I would always get my friends to come to gigs. So the moment you have people that are just coming of their own accord, I was like, oh, this is really working. Do you, so what was the first song for you that worked? Was it the A team? Yeah, the A team, yeah. I remember when it was the iTunes song of the week.

I got, someone came up to me yesterday. I was in the Boston Children's Hospital and I did sort of a meet and greet afterwards. And one of the doctors came up to me and was like, oh yeah, I remember when it was the song of the week. And I totally forgot the iTunes. They used to do that. But that was like, I remember getting that and being like, yes. It worked. Because it just goes out to like half a million people.

It worked. I downloaded it. Yeah. Come on. And now it's the first song that plays every time I plug my phone into something. You've got to download the song that says, A, A, A, A, A, A, A, A. There's one that's just silence for like two hours, just called AAAAA. I like, you have to download.

I like that the 18 plays. I feel like it's contributed to the hate that I get. You don't need not get hate. Oh, man. Yeah. Not so much anymore. I feel like I came off social media for like a long time. And I feel like now I've come back into being a bit more present.

Right. Yeah. I feel like people had an opinion of me because they didn't know me. Yeah. Of course. Yeah. That's the definition of social media. Yeah.

So I feel like being more present and, yeah, having my personality out there. Or maybe people hate me more. I don't know. Well, speaking of problems, let's look into, do you know about the tummy what's wrongs? Let's go, yeah. Okay, so the tummy what's wrongs, the pussy's right in. And they tell us what's wrong, and we give them advice, and then we prescribe them a remedy. Cool.

You guys come into Boston calling, by the way. So my friend just had a baby So I have to go home I was gonna say Because we're gonna go and catch the Renee rep I know I had no idea she was here I had no idea she was here

Until I saw you guys at the basketball game today Well Well why would you think she was here Because she hates Boston Yeah she does hate Boston Yeah She does so that's why I was like No there's no way René's here

Oh this one I totally relate to I think I have bladder control issues I'm 16 and I peed the bed last week That's ridiculous And I peed my pants an apple bees last last last last last last last night completely sober i'm literally always pissing myself black jeans black jeans black jeans okay yeah so i have an issue with pee where i can't go to bed until i know that every ounce of pee is out of my body so like every 30 minutes i pee so but you know

what i drink a lot of water no and you know what i've realized is you you you train your bladder like you train a stomach you train your bladder so i've because i pee so much have trained my bladder to just like constantly need to pee. So that's what I would prescribe to this. Girl just like hold it in. Or black jeans. Or black jeans. Because then no one will ever see it.

Right. If you wear like I find this like I, so you know, I go to like really hot countries in like Asia, which are very, very humid. And I find if I wear green shorts, I've always just got a sweaty ass. Uh-huh.

Yeah. So if you wear black shorts, doesn't show up. Right. You know what I mean? So yeah, black shorts, black trousers. Right. Okay, I think that's a better prescription than just holding it in.

That way you can pee your pants. Well, no, but I think the point is she can't hold it in. I think that's the point. But you can. It's just uncomfortable. Have you ever had a lymphatic drainage massage? Oh my God. I don't know what that is.

Okay, so basically it's like they beat you up and they get all the toxins out of your body. Oh, I have. Yep. I did that in, in, I toured Russia in 2019. And I remember going to do that in a, like, room. And he was beating me with these sticks. Yes. And I walked in, and I walked in in my swim shorts.

And he looked at me and he was like, no shots. Yeah. And so I took them off and I was standing naked in front of him, big guy. And I was just like, cock out and everything. And I was a bit like feeling a bit weird about it, you know? I'd freak. And he just looks at me and he looks down and he looks up and goes, my sister, big fun. No.

And did you still let him do the massage? Yeah, it was kind of weird. It was kind of weird. Yeah. It's kind of weird. I felt almost violated, you know? For sure. But did you feel skinny after?

Because that's what those massages are for. No, 2009 was in my fat face. Oh, you're a FP. Yeah. Yeah. Do you know what it is? I, in America, I don't know what this is so stupid, but I used to think that like no carb just meant like no bread, no fries, blah, blah, blah, blah.

And I was like, well, I can eat chicken wings. So I just ate chicken wings for about a year and a half. Those, I think those are carbs. Yeah. Are they actually? I put on like, I don't know what it would be in pounds, but I put on like four stone, which how many pounds? What are stone?

Pounds. 12 pounds to a stone or 14 pounds to a stone. So, yeah, about 50 pounds. I also put on a lot of weight this past year, but I recently started Ozempic. How is that? Can you tell that I've been on Ozempic? Is it not really like bad for you? Okay.

So I lied. I'm not on Ozempic, but I was just seen that if you were to believe me because I had all the pussy start this rumor that I was on Zempec. Like, people get sunken eyes on a Zempec, like that. So I don't think you're on. Oh. Do you know what I, so I'm prone to putting on a lot of weight. And what I found is just going to the gym regularly and trying to like portion size.

Oye. So I like that, that lobster roll. It's not like a huge portion. You have that. You're good. Right. I have this thing where I overeat. Like my friends always say, would it kill us to go to bed hungry?

Yeah. I over, yeah. I have that. I have, I don't have an off, off switch, but if I have just one thing to eat, then the off switch is there. Like, if I have that, I won't be like, oh, I need to, like, order another another and other. But if everything's in front of me, I will eat it. Same. Yeah.

That's because I over order. Yeah. And I smoke before every meal. Oh, weed. Yeah. I have to, or else I'm not hungry. I think I need to go to the doctor. This guy likes me, but he follows way too many bitches on Instagram.

He's cute and nice, but IDK, the Instagram. Instagram thing freaks me out and I haven't been taking him seriously. What do I do? My thought is asleep. I think it depends what you want from the relationship. If you want a casual hookup, then don't worry about it. But if you are looking to have a longer-term relationship, then maybe it's a problem that he's in touch with a lot of BITCHs.

So I would prescribe the dark web. And you go on the dark web and you pay someone to hack his Instagram. and this sounds like you've done it before no but i know that you can if that makes sense i don't think it's that serious man they're saying like you know do i like if they were dating and he like is it he or she did you no idea so if they're dating and they think that their partner is cheating on them and they're thinking about getting serious then maybe you can do some I'm not advocating dark web hack block every single one of them and he'll be like why the fuck did these people block me oh do it like that why did they block me but he blocked them he'll just

never know but then you know if that person finds out that you've never find out i guess not i don't think i'm a good kisser please help me every guy every kiss i've had has been drunk how do i kiss without alcohol okay so i definitely wrote this i saw a video of myself making out with someone the other day and it was just despicable. So I don't really have advice to give here. Is there a way to be a bad kiss? I feel like... Yes.

Yes. Okay. Limited tongues. I feel like too much tongue is a bit grim. Yeah. I wish I could show the video, but it is so how do I put this? Like demoralizing and embarrassing. Like I can't,

like I don't know what advice to get this. Are you a maximum tongue? I don't know. Like, I would, like, sometimes I would practice on the door Well, I think the practice needs to be, I think you just need to do it. Kiss a lot of people, yeah. Okay. Eventually you, I think you learn quite quickly the do's and don'ts.

Right. Yeah, you would think so. I haven't. I'm going to prescribe Angus, what is it? Angus Snog and, Angus, Sean, what the fuck is it called? Angus thongs and full frontal snogging. Perfect snogging? Or full frontal snogging?

Are you sure that's what it's called? Angus thongs and full frontal snogging, yeah. Can we please check this? That is what it's called in England. Yeah. But you know, as I say, it's the English language. So we're right. Oh.

No one wants to, like, Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone. It's called the Philosopher's Stone. No, it is not. It fucking is. In the book, it is the Philosopher's Stone. Why would they change it? Because America was like, well, we don't know what philosophy. Like, I'm telling you, there's so many things that have been changed for the American market

that, like, really grind my gears. I'm like, it's the fucking philosophy. Like what else? that's probably the main one. It's like, it is Nicholas Vermel's philosopher's stone. It says in the fucking book, it isn't called the Sorcerer's Stone. Sorry, man, I'm like, yeah.

No, I get it. Is that what you're therapist about? Wait, so did you read the Harry Potter books? Yeah, of course. Okay, so you want to know what I did? Yeah. So everyone was reading, and obviously I was like, well, if everyone's reading, I have to read. And so I read it, and then I got to the fourth one. And if you remember the goblet of fire, it's like fucking 500 pages long. I'm not reading that.

So I got through half of it. and I would show up to school every single day, 100 pages in, like just faking it, and then I never read again. But I told everyone I finished the entire series. I actually, do you know, the only books I read as a kid were Harry Potter, and then I never read again. And then I was on my honeymoon,

and they had the Harry Potter books on the boat we were on. And I was like, oh, I'm going to start reading this. And now I read all the time. So it's actually got me into reading again. I'm reading three body problem at the moment. I just watched that show Very confusing The book's pretty great

Have you heard of like the real life shit that's gone on though There's like a lawyer that did the deal for the show for Netflix That killed some He like poisoned someone that was involved with the book Or maybe it owned the rights to the book And it's all kicking off in China at the moment It's like but real life shit Oh what the fuck?

Yeah look it up Do you understand three body problem? Because I didn't but can I tell you what's have you seen the show? Yeah Did Lana Doeray's video games? Yeah. How good was that scene, huh? You, I mean, that song is incredible.

It's the best one ever. That song came out at the same time as A-Team, and it was like we were kind of doing the same late-night shows at the same time. Oh, no way. Yeah, I just, that song's just kind of like the perfect debut song, isn't it? Yeah. One can say that about the A-Team as well. Thank you.

Of course. What do you think is another perfect debut song? Oh, I've, this is my favorite, favorite. favorite topic of conversation. Drivers license by Olivia Rodriguez. Hit Me Baby one more time by Britney Spears. That's it. There is no better debut.

Those are the two great. I'm trying to think there must. I think Hit Me Baby one more time is like top two or three best songs ever written. It's really rare to have like a moment where your debut song hits. So stay with me at Sam Smith. But that wasn't his debut. I think he did latch. Well, Latch with disclosure.

And then it was money in my mind, I think was the. first from that album. So I guess it's the only real, real, like, date, like, video games, driver's license, hit me baby one more time. Lala? Lala? You know that one? Lala? Yeah, Sam's, um,

I'm crying in my eyes like a kiss. No, I think it was, it was latched, then Lala, then, money on my mind. Right. So I was wrong about Sam Smith, evidently. I was after. No, that was like fifth single, I think. again that was multiply era so katie perry i kissed a girl it's a great great debut that's great

lady gaga or i guess you know you would think just dance is lady gaga's but it wasn't actually i think it was like what was gargaz first i want to say it was like something maybe summertime or and nothing else i can say or there was a few off the fame but that's a great debut album but i think the most the biggest one in the recent memory is uh driver's license i was such a moment in the gym earlier and i was like this is it's such an instant classic i have a playlist called instant And it's my favorite playlist I have. It's great. I mean, that song's great.

Both those records actually, guts and sour are like, I think, unskippable. There's just, like, it's just as a record, just a great record. It's so, I mean, it's so nice in our, like, environment where it's just single, single, single, single, single when you have an artist that, like, puts out an album. And it's like a body of work. And, like, yeah, there's something, there's something to be set. Like, I feel like this sometimes, but sometimes.

Sometimes I make records where I'm like I want every single song to sound like a single. And like that was how I made multiply and divide. And then sometimes I make records where I'm like, this is going to sound like an album. And that was how I did like subtract and plus. And it's weird. The ones that like no one really notices with multiply that they kind of see it in the same way. But I was very, well,

I was crafting that album was just like I'm treating every single song as if it could be a single from the record. Whereas with subtract, I was like, I don't actually think there's any singles other than. eyes closed and I just want it to be a journey and a story. I think there are different ways to make. Subtract is so great. Thanks, man. Eyes closed played on the plane.

Thank you. On the way here. I really like that record. I can't really listen to it again. But I do like it. I'm back in sort of wanting to make fun songs again. Yeah. I kind of had like a year and a half of being like I'm just going to write nothing but sad songs.

Yeah. But yeah. It's cathartic. Yeah. But I don't think it's actually. what people necessarily want all the time. I think what worked about multiply and divide was the fact that there was upbeat songs and sad songs.

And I think what didn't work about equals was I was actually in a quite happy spot. Therefore, there's not like much heartbreak on the record. Of course. And then subtracts is just all dark heartburn. Yeah. So yeah, I think you need a balance of both.

Do you still like care what how people, receive your records or are you at that stage where it's like, I'll make what I want. I am, I don't believe any artist that says they don't. Otherwise, you wouldn't release music because you'd be like, if I don't care what people think, then why would I even put it out? You know, you just, you just sort of like make the music and be like, well, that's made me feel good. So yeah, all artists, it's, we want to be loved.

That's why, that's why we are on stage. And that's why, you know, you sign to a record company to go, I would like people to hear the music that I'm making. I don't really subscribe to this whole, like, not care. thing of being like, oh, I don't care how it does, and I, you know, I just, I make music for me. And like, if you did do that, then you wouldn't release it. I think that's all a kind of ruse of, because it sounds cool to say, but every artist wants people to like their music.

It makes you feel less insecure. You write something insecure in a song that you deep down are just like, oh, my God, I just need to put this out and I feel really uncomfortable with it. And you want to have people be like, I feel the same way. Right. And then that sort of, like, justifies the feeling. And then you've got something, what I loved about subtracts is out of real pain and hurt and sorrow. Actually something beautiful happened and touring that record and meeting people who were like going through the same things or had gone through similar things.

And that's like what is amazing about music. Yeah, it really pisses me off when people are like too cool to. Yeah. You know, I don't care how it does. I'm like, fucking shut up. Yeah. You do. Everyone does.

Do you? Actually, I wouldn't say everyone does that. If you're signed to an indie label and you, uh, like there are definitely people that I know that don't tour, they don't promote the records, they put the records out on an indie label and they keep it moving. Those are the ones that actually don't care.

But anyone, anyone in my sphere, right, anyone in the pop game definitely cares. Right. Is there any song that you wrote that you were like, I am putting this out because I need people, I need this song to do well.

I need people to connect. with this song. Is there any song in your discography that really just like I mean perfect I put like every ounce of everything behind because I was uh do you know like the the the lawsuit with thinking out loud was like a big blow to my um confidence as a songwriter because I I put all of my time and effort into being a songwriter and it's something I take really seriously and then suddenly it was like questioned and then people were like oh you just steal songwriter. and stuff. So, um, and that was like my big ballads at that time. So perfect was this thing where I was like, I'm going to write a song 100% on my own and I'm going to make sure it is bigger than thinking

out loud. And I'm going to prove to people that I am a songwriter and the songwriting is the, you know, my craft that I work on. And so I put everything into the video of that, everything into the production of that, everything into the promotion of that. I managed to snag, to nag, to, to get on it. And, and it ended up being, you know, like, Like, thinking out loud never went to number one. Perfect, went to number one. Thinking out loud never went to number one? No, it's like one of the longest number two's of...

What? Yeah, it was Uptown Funk time. Oh, okay. Yeah, well, that one was everywhere? Wait, so, am I... Was this you? Were you the one that got on the stand and started playing the chords? And you did, like...

So cool. Well, it's... Do you know what it is? It's a lot of these lawsuits, a lot of them are brought by non-musicians. And they kind of get... told that they have a case and they're like, well, this is the reason you have a case is because the chords are similar, but any musician would be able to be like, well, there is a toolkit of

chords that are used with songs and there's only a certain amount of ways that you can do it in different orders. And then if you have those chords, like there are certain notes and melodies that are going to sound good over there. Anyway, I feel that there's not a lot of, there's times where I've heard songs that sound near identical to songs that I've written, but I know the way that songwriting works, you know? Like it's, no one goes in the studio and goes, let's steal this song. Obviously, people get inspired by music, but that's why, you know, that's kind of the linearness of it.

You know, the Beatles are inspired by Chuck Berry and Elvis Presley, and that's why they started off doing rock and roll. And then they got inspired by Ravi Shanker and went to. India and made all this. You're inspired by different musicians and genres and songs and times and that is just how music works and it's kind of like a lie to pretend that it doesn't. No one is making truly, truly original music in 2024. Right.

Because in 2024, everything's already been made. We're just basically fusing. It's the cuisine thing. Right. Japanese food mixed with Italian food. That's where we're at now. It's taking things that have already been and blending it and making it your own. And I feel like over my career, that's how I've made songs is I, you know, I would listen to hip-pop,

but I'd also listen to singer-songwriter music, and I'd also listen to folk music. And that's where something like Gal would come out. I'd make a song where you would rap, but then also have trad music in it. You know, that's – and I think that's an important thing to remember in music is it's all been done before. Right. Who are you some of your like biggest inspirations, whether that be songwriting or production or? Well, I think songwriting, I think someone like, someone like Max Marston, I think it has just got the, he's just got the juice. Yeah. And I've been fortunate enough to like work with him on, you know, all sorts of stuff. We won a, we won an Emmy recently for a song that we did for Ted Lassow, which is so different to the Justin Bieber, I don't care song. it's that's that's more of a singer-songwriter song and i don't care is more of a pop song but

his approach to both and how he's very much like less is more on um melodies and words where i've always been a like more is more and try and cram everything in but he's a very good like editor as well as just coming up with ideas i love how like because he has his like mxm production camp and he's got all these amazing swedish writers and producers that work work for him so like he can oversee a lot of projects at once and just be like, well, this bit doesn't work, maybe take that. Or like, he listened to a song that I'd made the other day with, a producer that he works with a lot.

And he was just like, the pre doesn't sound right. You should redo the pre. But not be like, this is what you should do. Just with his ears, he's just like, yeah, you should change the pre. And I love that about him as a songwriter. I mean, he's made some of my favorite. Have you heard the new RRI record? Loved it.

I mean, we can't be. We can't be friends. Incredible. So the guy that produced that, I'm working with at the moment, I'm, I'm working with at the moment. I'm, yeah. But he, so the first time I worked with Max, he came to stay with me in Suffolk. And the night before, I just got a load of wine in. And I was like, before we work, like, let's like let loose together a little bit. And we got really, really, really drunk. And at about two o'clock in the morning, I was like, Max, I know you have it, but play me the original. demo of I Want It That Way. And he had his original demo of it. That's so cool. And he also had the original demo of Baby one more time. I was about to say. Do you know that they got Lange to rewrite

I want it that way just before it came out. They were like because Max was obviously written I want it that way in kind of broken English. He was just he chose lyrics that were phonetically, you know, Tell me why. Like phonetically and the record company I think were like, oh these lyrics

don't really mean anything. Let's make sure it means something. So they got Mutt Lang to rewrite it. And the Backstreet Boys recorded it, and it's on YouTube. No way. Yeah, you can find this song with their, it's totally different lyrics.

And they scrapped it just before it came out. They went, actually know the original version. But you can hear the Muttlang version on... Mutlang. What is it? Muttang did... Did he do Shania Twain? Wow.

I'm really proud of myself for knowing that. Yeah, he was married to Shana Twain. Yep. I knew that because I watched the Shania Twain documentary. I love me Shania. Yeah. Me too. She's great.

Chinks! Are you having fun? Yes. Oh, me too. I also feel like I chatted about football for 20 minutes, which I don't think is necessarily your. No, yes, it is. It's all just, we're just hanging out. Cool.

My ex-friend and crazy roommate blacked out at our college bar and poured a drink on me, pushed me, and kept flipping my friends and I off. I don't think she remembers it because she was blacked out, but how do I get revenge? Do you believe in the blackout thing? What do you? Do I believe? You've never blacked. out before? Oh no, I mean I I have but it's more like passing like right I have yeah you don't you know it was one time actually I was in and I was drinking a um cafe patron and I went to bed this is this is

not really blacked out this is like sleepwalking and I sleep naked okay I enjoy the freedom but it yeah this to my life um and I got up in the middle of the night to take a piss and I opened the toilet door and I walked out and then suddenly the door closed and I opened my eyes and I was in the corridor completely naked without a key to my room so I was just standing there naked like you know CCTV CCTV and I'm just like oh fuck how did you get out of that well I was looking around I was like how do I get out of this and uh there was someone's room service tray was outside their room with a napkin and so I took the napkin and I covered my junk and I went into the lobby of the hotel all the way down and I was

walked up this like four o'clock in the morning. No one's there apart from someone. And they looked at me kind of like, because I was playing that weekend. And so they looked at me like, like this. And I was like, please don't fucking tell anyone. Can you let me in my room? And then they came up and let me in my room. And my security guard wiped the footage the next day. Pretty sure he filmed it on his iPhone. So he's got something to blackmail me with. But yeah, it was, it was a thing. Wow. Yeah. So that's like not so much blacked out, but definitely like my most embarrassing. No, yeah. I've, I've blacked out before. like multiple times.

But I, what was I going to say? In terms of this girl and her friend that she wants to get revenge on, look, I'm sorry your friend, blacked out and was mean. And that's a conversation to be had,

to be had, but there's no revenge necessary. Like that's more like a... Yeah, revenge is bad. Revenges, and I'm the most revengeful person ever. I think just be aware next time. There'll be a certain switch that you see in your friend

where you're like, oh, this is going a bit south. Yeah. And then that's the time for lots of water, lots of bread and the taxi home. I prescribe the show intervention. What's?

It's a show where they just like basically are like, like, you have a problem. Right. Yeah. Do they like unpack the problem? Of course. It's an intervention. Right, right. It's amazing.

Have you seen it? Or obviously not. I just explained it to you. What am I watching at the moment? Oh, I just watched Baby Rained it. Huh. Me too. How good was that?

It's incredible. Richard God is amazing. Yeah. Have you seen the Pierce Morgan interview with the, uh... No, because I think giving this woman a platform that like did all this crazy. Is it definitely confirmed it's her? I mean, seems like it. You watched the interview, didn't you?

No, I didn't. You wouldn't know. I saw a clip on TikTok, okay? I watched the full interview and about 10 minutes in, I was like, maybe it's not. And then by the end, I was like, it definitely is. You know, well, I saw a clip on TikTok and she sounds like her. So I was like, yeah, this makes sense. Did Pierce Morgan?

So you just went, oh, she's Scottish. Yes. So it must be her. Yes. Like, literally. Is Richard Gadscott? Wait, question about Scotland. He's from Fife, I think.

Question about Scotland. And I need you not to be like, say, what the fuck? Is Scotland in England? So never say that in Scotland. Okay. You'll get into a fight. Oh, okay. And never say that Wales is in England.

And never, ever say the island is in England. Or ever say that island is in the United Kingdom. But it is. It's not. It's not. Northern Ireland is in the United Kingdom. Okay. So the United Kingdom is Northern Ireland, Wales, England, Scotland.

Scotland, Northern, well, not so much Northern Ireland. Scotland and Wales both have, like, it sort of manifests as joking. but there's problems dating back, you know, hundreds and hundreds of years of like. England, you know, we haven't got a great history. Not the best. Most of the world's problems stem from England's colonialism. Right. You know.

We're in Boston, the Tea Party. Yeah? I don't know. The Boston Tea Party? Tell me we don't learn that in school. You're kidding. It was the most ridiculous. thing of all time. So to protest

England, like look, I didn't really listen in school so like someone stopped me if I'm wrong. It was like America and America had just started or whatever and they were like vibing and they were like we're like not down for England anymore. So to protest England they decided to dump all of their tea in the Boston Harbor. Right. Just ridiculous almost. That showed him. Oh yeah. It was it was to protest taxes on tea, right? Right.

No, I... Yeah. So anyway, England, England, uh, have had quite a bad history of being bad with like, Ireland and Scotland and Wales and kind of everyone. But it's kind of manifests itself in, in, in joking ways, because obviously like people nowadays have nothing to do with the, right, the history.

But if Scotland play England in rugby or football or Wales play England or, that's when the sort of rivalry comes out. I'm half Irish, so I've kind of got like straddled both of it, whereas Irish people and English people really do get on now, but there's been a lot of history. Right. Yeah. So I'm kind of like stuck in the middle.

Oh, okay. So, okay. I see. I see. Like, yeah, I've kind of got a, I support England football, but I would also like. Support an Irish. football.

I think if I think if I think if I think if I think of the yeah I think of the Republic of Ireland were playing England in a football game I would support the Republic of Ireland I think but that's because they would be tea literally no but they'd be the underdog you know yeah yeah I can't get over a friendship that ended like a year ago I get it we were both kind of in the wrong but I was the one who dealt with the repercussions and was low-key shunned by my whole school why am I still hung up on her have you ever had a friendship that ended that you couldn't get over yeah yeah I think I think it's, well, I see life as chapters of a book, and I feel like you can have main characters in each chapter.

But it still doesn't mean it doesn't hurt when you've had a lot of history with someone, and then that's just gone. Of course. Yeah. And then it's difficult to remember the good times, I think. But yeah, I'm very much, like, I try not to get too nostalgic on things. I'm always about looking forward rather than looking back. And sometimes, you know, I go through life. contact with people all the time just because I'm not a very contactable person. And sometimes

that just happens via me moving away for a bit and then change my email and blah, blah, blah. And then sometimes you come back to England and bump into someone and then that friendship begins again. So I'm very much a like chapters person. I'm not, I'm not trying to like turn back pages. I'm just like as my life goes on, just let things happen. Yeah. Do you have any songs about that? I think life goes on is a little bit about that I think it's all about getting to the end of a day and letting a new day begin rather than dwelling too much about

I have lots of things that I could regret in my life and that I wish that I could do again sort of thing but you can't and what's the point in dwelling on it it's more about like growing as a person and learning from experiences and you know me getting embarrassed about something that I did when I was younger and being like, oh, God, you know how you were saying like the kissing thing?

Yeah. One day you're going to be amazing at kissing and you look back. And if you look back and go, oh, God, I wish, like, it's happened. And you were in a different place now and you're a different person now. So I think it's more, yeah, don't dwell too much on the past and regrets, I think. Okay. So I prescribe two things. Life goes on by you.

And I prescribe There was another one that was coming Landslide by Flewwood Mac Cool Because they're just like talking about Shit happens Grow up Shit happens

But I do feel bad for this girl I understand Friendship breakups are the worst I've never had a romantic breakup But I've had a friendship breakup And they are just The most painful thing in the world So I get it

Okay Are you ready for one more? Yeah Okay Yeah you want to go You want to pick one out Yeah Do you want to call a pussy?

what on on the phone yeah let's do it this this one is my 21st birthday on the same day as my sister's college graduation should I be a Gemini and throw a fit or be a nice sister wait read that to me one more time it's my 21st birthday is the same day as my sister's college graduation should I be a Gemini and throw a fit whoa or be a nice sister um

I think you can do both I think go to the graduation and organize something in the evening and have fun with your sister and your friends that gives me such shivers what I would do is I'd be like it's my 21st fucking birthday. I love you. On graduate. No, you can graduate and it's fine and I'll support you during the day but like it's my 21st birthday and like I'm gonna go get drunk with my girls. And like that's just what I'm gonna do. Still go to the graduation. Well yeah, but that'll be in the morning. Yeah. So that's fine. I don't even know what to prescribe besides a helping hand. Like that's really hard.

Yeah, just go to the graduation and then afterwards let your parents take out your sister. Yeah. Yeah, let's call her, let's call a pussy. It's this girl's birthday. I want to call it. I wish your happy birthday. The person you're trying to reach is not available. Epitone, please record your message. When you have finished recording, you may hang up. Hi, Mia. It's Jake and...

Ed, Sharon, hey. Okay, so we tried to call you a few times. I understand it's your birthday. Happy belated birthday. I love you so much, but I have Ed here, and he's going to sing to you a happy belated birthday. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday to you.

Happy birthday, dear Mia. Happy birthday to you That was like strikingly beautiful Ed, thank you Mia, happy birthday I love you Wow, that gave me full body chills that gave me full body chills

Okay, let's try one more pussy We'll see if they can answer If this one doesn't answer Hello Hello? Hello? Hi, it's Jake Shane It's Jake Shane I'm with Ed Shearin right now

Hello? What? Yeah, yeah. I'm about to go, I'm about to like literally see Renee Rape. Wicked. Me too. I'm about to go and watch her side of stage. Jake, Jake, I literally love you so much.

You have no idea. Me and my best friend Molly always talk about you and how much you want you to find like a haughty and have your call me by your name moment. Yes. So much joy. Like you're literally our comfort person. I'm sorry, there's like noise in the back, but I be fucking are like obsessed with you. You're like, I'm like, I'm like, favorite person. Oh, thank you guys.

Are you gonna watch anyone? Are you? Are you excited to see you later? Oh, did you, so you're gonna see ad later? Yeah, I'm gonna see ad later. He comes on around like eight something I think. I'm yeah, I'm, I'm here. Oh my god. Wait, Jake, are you also in Boston? Yeah, but I I leave, I leave shortly after. Oh my god. Okay. Well, I love you guys.

so much and I did not expect this call. I'm like freaking out. Okay, well, we love you. Say bye, Dad. See you later. Bye, Ed. She's so excited. Yeah.

The pussies are loyal. Like, I don't know. Like, what can I say? Like, they're loyal. Like, Boston calling. How do you know she was in Boston? I didn't. That's why I looked at Louise and her jaw hit the floor.

Did you know? Oh, cool. That actually just worked out. Kismet. Can you tell from like the area code? Yeah, sometimes I Google the area code. So where's 216? I couldn't tell you if my life to get it on it.

L.A. is 3.1.81. New York is. Oh, is that why the tequila is 818? That's why it candles. Yeah, right. There you go. Have I just blown your mind there? A little bit.

Yeah. A little bit. I had it the other day. I was. I liked it. I'm not really a spirit. guy either. I only like vodka. Well, I guess I am a spirits guy then. Yeah. What's your, what's your vodka of choice? Vodka Red. Oh, like, uh, like, uh, like my vodka of choice. I did that once to

someone. It was like a game where it's like, what's your favorite cheese? And they were like, grated. Yeah. Um, it's like, it's like, okay, yeah, let me think of my, what's my favorite vodka? Um, maybe like a T-dose. Cool. I love a T-dose. It's gluten-free. Is that not, is vodka not all gluten-free? Apparently not. I found out when I started drinking Titos. Damn. What's your favorite drink of choice?

My day is usually, I finish my day, I'll have a Stella, Artois. But it kind of has to be drafted. I don't really like bottled or canned beer. I love a draft beer. And then I will go for red wine. And I love Napa. Napa cab. You're Napa's biggest fan.

Yeah. I actually, like, I have a load of French friends. obviously like France is elite for wine. And we was argue all the time about American wine versus French wine. And we did a blind test and the American wine won. No way. With the French. Do you like a rice line?

Not white. Do you know, I've ruined white as a kid with, do you know what a goon bag is? You know, boxed wine? Yes. We don't call that in the US, but I know, we know. So we would take, rip that out, take that to a party. And ever since I just can't do white wine. So in college in the US, they drink those.

on what's called a Wine Wednesday. Yeah. And Louise, did you have those ever in college? And you slap the bag and you drink it. And I had top two worst hangovers of my entire life. It's a wine bag and you, so I would hold it up to you like this and slap the bag. And you would drink it. What college do you guys go to?

I went to USC. And where's that? California. And that's where you ended up in California? Yes. And where did you go to? Fuck, yeah. Roll tide.

No way. How do you know Roll Tide? Courtney Cox, massive Alabama fan. Yeah. So I basically live at hers when I'm in California because she dates. The guy that I make all my music with is her boyfriend. Oh. And, you know, I've been there on Thanksgiving and watched Alabama Roll Tide.

Yeah. Yeah. Oh. Good. And then I dated a girl from Arkansas as well. Who was a big wee pig suey, the Arkansas. Big Suey. I love Arkansas so much.

Have you been to Fayetteville? Yeah. No, you haven't. Yes, I have, yeah. Woo, pig suey. So, I fucking love Arkansas. That's my favorite place in the world.

Let's go. Oh my God, wait, you're like knowing everything. Well, I am, I'm 33 now, so I've had like, well, when did I first come to America? I first came to America when I was 19. So there's like lots of life that I've spent here. Okay.

Yeah. Wow. Okay, so Ed, Ed, What did we learn today? That you never say that Ireland is in the United Kingdom. We did learn that. The England has better rules for sport because there's actually punishment for being shit. Yes.

Whereas in America, you just get first draft. Okay. I just think that's unfair, isn't it? If you've got a bad team and then they just go, well, you can make your team better. Right. I don't know. In England, we just get punished for it. Right.

You just like slow down. It's like, have you seen Divergent? No. Okay. It's like when they're in the facts. and they have they kicked out of the factions i won't get into it it's like a whole dystopian thing but what did i learn today scorpio's a uh compatible with aquarius yeah duh come on come on i've learned that you've had a lymphatic drainage massage in russia yeah well they they call it

something different there it's lymphatic it's just cool i think it's called uh fucking what is it you get beaten with like lymphatic i've learned they don't call it that i've learned that there is a pub in England that if I go based like with your recommendation they'll let me in the back for folks all night. I'll definitely hook that up if you go. It's a Tuesday. Do you want to like exchange numbers or something?

Yeah, yeah. I don't I don't have a number but you can have my email. That isn't me pying you off either. I just don't in it. It's true. You don't have a phone number? No. I haven't I haven't had a phone since 2015. Wait, I haven't. They gave me a phone. I'm so sorry. They gave me a phone recently to like, do so, so if I went to the Celtics game, I have something to like video stuff that would

then go up on social media, but it's not like an active working phone. When did you, why did you get rid of your phone? When did you get rid of your phone? Got rid of it, 2015, December, December. And I, yeah, I found, you know, I had the same number from like age 15, I think. And I got famous and I had 10,000 contacts in my phone that were just, people would just text the whole time. And I was just constantly just in touch with a lot of people. And yeah, it kind of got to a point where I feel like with phones, everyone expects you to reply. And if you don't reply, it's rude. And like, sometimes you're just like not in a headspace to reply. You're busy or doing doing whatever. But then when you reply, then they reply back. And then you reply and then they reply back. And suddenly you're in like 40

conversations at once. And you might be, like I found myself sometimes like having dinner with my dad. and then my phone was just going and you'd be thinking, oh, who's texting me and you get it out? And then suddenly you're in conversations. And I just was losing real life into action. So I got rid of it. I got an iPad. I moved everything onto email,

which I replied to once a week. Okay. Which is very like I have an hour of my time on like a Thursday or Friday. I sit down usually in the car. I blast all the emails, catch up, you know, do all the talking to whoever. And then that's it. And you can really like limit.

your time. So I went to dinner after the Celtics yesterday and you just leave your iPad in your hotel room. I had dinner with my best friend. We caught up. We had like a long chat and then that was that. And I think it's a better way. No one expects a reply to an email. Right. Like it's a cultural thing where, you know, the WhatsApp tick happens and you have to reply because oh, you left me on red. Whereas with emails, it's like you're going to read it when you're going to read it and you're going to reply when you're going to reply. I think the key is just to reply. Whereas with a phone, I just never replied to anyone, which I just think is. rude. This is fascinating because

when I lose my phone for like five minutes, like, I can't even describe like, there'll be studies about this, I'm sure one day, how addicted I am to my phone. Like, I literally start shaking and scratching myself. Like I, like, I really, I really admire

this whole thing you have going on. But they're also, like, boredom creates amazing shit. Like, if I wasn't bored, like I, I find myself, I go for dinner with my, uh, my wife and she, you know, she'll go to the toilet at a restaurant and she can sometimes take a while of course and usually 10 years ago I would take out my phone and you'd flick through Instagram and you'd reply to messages but when you're just sitting

doing nothing or waiting for a train or waiting for a plane or whatever and your your brain that's when you're like that's when I'll think of a lyric or a melody or be like you'll have an idea about where to go next with your career like like I had an idea for a tour the other day where I was like oh that would be quite a cool idea for a tour and that just comes out of boredom because your brain just starts ticking. And I think this stops boredom and boredom is what, nothing creative ever has come

out of being connected like the whole time. Boredom boredom is what makes someone think of an iPhone. Right. I think it was, was it Johnny Ive thought of the iPhone? I know Steve, Steve Jobs. But I think Johnny I've maybe, anyway. I don't know.

But that probably came out of boredom of him thinking, thinking what's next, what's next. Wow. Rather than him being on a device and being like, do you know what I need? A smaller device. Oh, you're like a legit artist. Yeah. You're an artist.

Wow, that's one of the most admirable things I've ever heard. You'd be surprised. Try and be bored for an hour a day. Okay, I'll try. Have a walk. I'll try. Yeah. Oh, wait, I had one more thing to ask you.

Oh, you said that when you're bored, this is when you think of your best lyrics and the best ideas. What? Was there ever a moment where you thought of a lyric and it's like one of your most well-known or it's in one of your most well-known songs. And it was just like, you remember exactly where you were. You remember exactly how you thought of it. You know, the one that's like the most memeable lyric is the,

when your legs don't work like they used to before. And that came my, my grand had lost her ability to walk. And the song was basically written about, I was like, that's eternal love. My grandparents had been together for like 60 years. And, you know, she'd lost the ability to walk, but I knew that my, you know, my grandfather could still sweep her off their feet, figuratively.

So I remember thinking of that lyric and then that song kind of went, the song isn't about my grandparents, but the inspiration behind the first line, I remember being like, talking to Amy, who I'd written the song with, and I was like, look, this is the story. And I just thought it was quite, just quite a cool way of saying it.

Like, when you're legs don't work like used to before, and I can't sweep you off your feet. Like the love is still there, you know. Oh my God. Okay, well, Ed, thank you so much for coming on Thera Puss. Do you want to give the Pussies a little bye pussies? Pussies, I love you. Goodbye.

And, yeah, see you at some point in the future. Do you know what? Let me know when you're in London. I will hook that up. Okay, yes. Let me put my... Your email in? Yeah, your email.

And I promise you, I am good on it. If you don't get a reply at least once every two weeks. I'll just show about your house. Yeah. Do you know where? Actually, you could probably Google where I live. Oh, damn. That's scary.

Yeah. I have got a lot of fucking security there now. Oh, okay. Well, say it's Jake. And they kind of like, of course. The press, like I had to get planning permission for this thing at my house. And there's just loads of press on it. And then, mate, this guy came once in a car with speakers and parked outside my house and played

a show. My neighbors fucking hated it. Did you think it was kind of funny or creepy? Oh my God. That's just typed all of that. Oh, blur that out. I just turn that to the, don't let people know my email address.

Thank you. Trust me. It will cut out. Thank you. And can I say I love you? I love you. Okay. Do you mind if we do it?

You actually never said that you love me. So I've just said that I love. I love you. I love you.