Therapuss with Jake Shane - Session 46: Rosé

Episode Date: November 28, 2024

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Solving your problems with the famous person on the couch. He's got you. Jake Shane. Hi, Pussies, and welcome back to Therapus. And what a week we've had, okay? I just finished my therapist live tour. It was 21 cities. We finished in Los Angeles.

It was so fun. Renee came out, Sophia came out, Alexander came out. It was so fun. And I really, really do miss tour. Like, I, that was some of the most fun, I think, I've ever had in my life. I just love being on stage. I love meeting everyone and I loved making people laugh in person. Like there was, oh my God, it was like the best feeling in the entire world.

I also released my first comedy album Pussin Poems, which you guys have showed me so much love for. And I'm so grateful. And I'm so happy you guys are loving it because I love it literally so much. I actually love it so much that I went to the studio today and recorded my Christmas song, which I should be putting out shortly. I'm really proud of it. and I'm really excited. But yeah, tonight we have one of the most special guests I've ever had. Whoa.

Stop. Stop. I told you I felt sick. Stop. Sorry, he was just so in my ears. Tonight we have one of the most special guests I've ever had, Rose. Pop singer, songwriter, superstar. Her new single, number one girl is out everywhere now, as well as the number one smash hit

Apathe with Bruno Mars. Her debut album, Rosie, is out December 6th everywhere. She is so, so incredible. She is one of the hardest working people I've ever met, one of the most talented people I've ever met. And I'm so honored that I was able to share the space with her and to have her come on this show. It was a dream come true.

And I'm really, really excited for you guys to see it. So without further ado, Rose. Hi, Pussies. And welcome back. Back to therapist. Today, I have never been more starstruck in my entire life. We have one of the most special guests I've ever had, Rose. Hi.

Hi. Hello. Thanks for coming. Thank you for having me. Is this how I hold this? Yes. It's like an ice cream code. I know, I know.

I'm like so nervous. I've never, I was pacing around my entire house all day, like so anxious. Oh my gosh. I was like, I hope I do a good job. Yay, no. I'm so excited to be here. I'm so excited. And, you know, you are coming off like really, really, you're on fire right now.

Am I? Yes, you, yes, you are. You are. I mean, Apata is number eight in the country, as of right now. As of right now. Crazy. It's crazy. It's one of the number one songs in the world.

And by the time this comes out, your next single number one girl will. Yes, we'll be out right. I think so. Yes. Yes, and you, you're not just a performer. You're a songwriter as well. Apparently. Yes, you are.

What do you mean, apparently? Yes. How long have you been writing music for? Not long. I started joining my sessions for the album last year, so it's been a year. It was like last year around like September or something like that. So, yeah, a bit every year. Has it been like cathartic for you to like write how you feel?

Yeah, no, like at first I was really terrified. Yeah. I was terrified because I feel like music is something obviously I love, but I don't want to just be like, I write music and like, you know, it's not an easy thing. Like I, you know, assumed. And then I went in and then I met some great people who helped me kind of get over my anxiety of being in the studio. And then I noticed later on all it is is just us like chit-chatting, like girlfriend, like friends at like for coffee. So like it was literally just like us chatting.

and then putting that into a song and then making it sound like everything we would talk about. So like anything, it was like, okay, that doesn't sound like real. It doesn't feel like that's not real. That's not true. And then we're like scratch it and like write something else that actually feels real. It was just like a bunch of that. And then it was just like days in the studio where I like I had all this like

terrible anxiety and all this these thoughts in my head. And I like, I'd just like I'd put like like throw it all up. And then would write in a song and then like I'd leave with it like just like left in a song. Yeah. So I was like, that's what it was. And it was like, it's like so much fun. But then I'd have my bad days where I was like, that did not help. That did not really like portray what I was feeling.

So I would trash that. And it was like a bunch of that put together. And then that became the album. I mean, I think that's so incredible because I feel like the best albums are ones where you can like really hear someone's like authentic feelings in it. And if you have those feelings, like those anxieties about like, like throwing up all your feelings into a song, it means it's real and it means it's you.

And it's really going to resonate with people. I mean, I was shocked because I was like, okay, this is kind of like, it's like, it'll be good for me because I think when I meet my friends, I hate myself for this. I'm the type of girl who just can't stop talking about this certain, like, subject. And I'll just like repeat it and repeated.

And my friends are like angels who's just like, they'll listen to it for me. Oh, like you hyperfixate. Yeah, like I do the same exact. Yes, I can't like anything normally. Like that's what I always say. Like I always like something or I always focus. I'm obsessed about something.

Yeah. Yeah, it's, it's stabilitating. And I like, talk about it a lot. It was easy when I would go into the studio. I just be like, okay, this is what I'm on. It's just like talk about it. Right, right.

And then I like over, so my problem is that I overshare. Yeah, me too. Right. Me too. Yeah, that's my problem. So it's like when I go to the studio, it's like a safe space and I'm, if anything, I'm supposed to over share. You're absolutely supposed to overshare.

It's what makes a good songwriter. Yeah, so it was fun. I was like, I could do this for a year. Yeah. Did you ever like have a moment where you wrote a song and you were like, that is too real? Like I cannot put that out. Oh, yeah, no, for sure. There's actually like a line in a song where I was like, no, we have to change that line.

So we had to change the line. So I was like it's giving away too much. Right, right, right. But then a lot of the stuff like my, you know, my career writers and producers were like, no, it's so good. just keep it. And I got so much anxiety at first. I was like, I don't think I should say this.

It's just like, oh, we shouldn't. We should just change everything. But they were like, no, it's really good. Let's keep it.

So like, yeah, now I've learned to be a bit more vulnerable there. And just, you know, it's the arts. We kind of briefly spoke about this, but you also get anxiety.

Yeah. And she was playing with this. And I was like, hey, what the hell is that? Give that to me right now. It's become like a, like a thing.

It's like a ride they call it a writer. Uh-huh. It's a writer. It's like every time I'm in a meeting or anything, it's like it's always on the table because, you know, now I can't work without it. Right. Um,

I just get anxiety and like, I don't know if it's ADHD. I don't even know what it is, but like, I need this and then if I have it in my hand, like I focus. When I have really bad anxiety, I need to move some part of my body.

You know what I mean? But like, I like tense up. Like I, Oh, same. Like it's like muscles. I do weird things. I sometimes tense the muscles here.

Like, it's like, it's like, Like I pick a different muscle every day. Oh my God. Do you know what I mean? Wait, I was thinking about this the other day. I used to do like, like, like, so I used to go like that.

Oh my gosh. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's weird. It's like, it's just, you know when you're like, oh, I've never had an original experience? Yeah.

Like, how I feel every time I talk about it. And then I notice what I do is like, I use my fingernails and I like just like, I like do this. Mm-hmm. A lot weird. So which is helpful because like I do that just to this now. I used to feel like or I still do. I feel like the veins in like my.

my hand, I'll, like, feel for a pulse. Like, it's like as I fit. You know what I mean? But I, like, I tense up and I walk around. I pace all over the house. I pace, pace, pace, pace, pace, pace, pace, pace, pace, pace, pace, pace, pace. But this is good because you're, like, cleansing. Yes.

You're using the muscles here. So, yeah. Yeah. So it's just like a workout that becomes a workout. Have you always had anxiety? Like, for me, I've had anxiety since I was like, if I remember, like, seven years old, do you ever, like, think about something? And you're like, oh, that was anxiety.

I just didn't know it at the time. see I'm a little I've been I've lived my life a little adult that I think I've only started noticing it which is why I feel like it only started recently I think it's gone really bad over this past few years and like even like friends that used to work with me like three four years ago they started working with me again this year and they were like who's you like you're a little different from then and I was like am I and I think that's probably the anxiety that's kind of like I think I have like I've never needed any like this before.

Yeah. They'd have stress balls. I'm like, I don't understand stressibles. Like, why do you ever need them is what I thought? Until I came across one during a meeting once and I was like, ew, what is that? Yeah. I walked in, I was like, ew, and I touched it. I was like, oh, it's disgusting.

And then I touched it. I was like, ooh, it's kind of a cool texture. And then now all of a sudden, they're at every meeting. Every single meeting. And then I was like, ew, I was like disgusted. But then I ended up doing this like serious meeting with somebody. And I got through it like so well. And I was like, it's the stress ball.

It's just hell. Yeah. And that's when I diagnosed myself with bad anxiety. I have bad anxiety. That's what it was. And that was, that's when I found out. It's frustrating when it like, like, comes out, like, physically,

before it comes out mentally. You feel it as opposed to think it. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. Once you say, I have anxiety right now, things are a bit better. But then sometimes, like, hours passed. And then you look back and you're like,

I was, I was having. going through anxiety. Right. So that's when I think now it's good that like I have this to remind me. I have anxiety. Right. If I'm going for it, I'm like, I know I have anxiety. So I know how to like articulate.

Like I know how to tell people. I'm like, I'm getting anxiety. So like, you know, some people are like, what's the vibe has changed? Yeah. And I'll be like, I have anxiety and I tell myself, I just need like five minutes. That's good. Oh my God. I need a squishy break is what I say.

You know how people go for smoke breaks? Yeah. Squish break. Yeah, I need a squishy break. I actually do that. But I do. it so much more impolitely. I do it so.

I'll be at dinner. I get really overstimulated easily. I always say I'm the worst dinner guest. I'll just stand up and I'll say, okay, I have to go. And I do a lap around the block and I come back and I sit down. I do it about four times a meal. So this is like, he just keeps disappearing. Yeah.

I'll be back. Because I just get, my brain just gets so muddled. Like I get so, I get overstimulated really easily. Okay. Have you like thought, like, I wonder what is making me so. Do you think it's anxious? I think about it a lot lately because it's really come up lately. This is like real time.

And I noticed it was definitely overwork. And I was using, because I have so many things I have to confirm, like left to right. But it's not just like, it's not mathematics. There's not an equation to everything. It's like it's creative control. And it's like I have to use like the deepest parts of my brain to find out what I want and dislike. And I have to keep giving feedback on that. And it literally been like, like days on end.

And I don't know how to take. go a break. I'm just kind of a work. Yeah. Because for me, it's like work is my hobby. I love it. That's why I do it. And that's the only thing that makes me feel sane. So then it's like a whole bad cycle. So I noticed I have, for the past like six months, I haven't had a day where like I turn it off.

Because for me, like, again, it's my lifestyle. It's not like I go to work and I come home. I don't know how to disconnect from it. And so I think it was like that and the overworking. And which I love, I'm so grateful to do it. so I keep doing it. And then I had, wait, what was the question? Why am I doing this?

What was the question? I was so entrenched by what you were saying because I was going to say, don't you feel like, then even when you turn it off, don't you get anxious about turning it off? You're like, I kind of want to turn it back on. No, but then this is what I learned the other day.

Oh my God, it was crazy. That's what I'm saying. I don't know how to do that. I don't know how to have a break and actually enjoy it. So I never do it. Right. Because you're like, I just want to work.

Yeah, and that makes me feel sane. Right. But then it started. making me feel insane. Like I started to go insane. It was like a point where I was like I'm going insane. And then I was like, one day I was like, okay, I asked everyone, if I take a break tomorrow, well, I, with my career, I just crumble to the ground.

Do we die? I was like, do we die? And it sounds irrational to others, but to you, it's like, it's very valid. And so literally I said tomorrow, I said, nobody texts me. I'm just going to try that. I've never done it before. Just no one is allowed to text me, no one. And then somebody texted me and I was like, this person.

I literally was like, this person texted me. Please tell him not to text me. You're me. And I was like, and I'd be like, I'll reply on Monday. And I did that. And then I had, I was like an out of body experience. Is that what you said? It was crazy.

I was like, I felt like I was dreaming. And the whole day I was my, and like, I was lucky because my friends flew in from like, like, New York and like, all my friends were in the same city. And we're all like very similar. Like, do you know my iceberg? So all my friends are NF, like something NIF, it's like a Mysbriggs thing and we're obsessed with it. They're all NFPs, so they're very similar to me. Oh, okay, okay.

So we're like, very similar people. And I was like sitting there and like, pinching myself. It's like, I've never felt this silent in my brain. I feel like it's like the first time in my life. Did it feel good? It felt crazy. It feels crazy. It feels crazy.

It feels crazy. It feels, I hate it. I hate it. I need. I mean, I don't. I don't work 1% of how much I know you work. But like when I have like an off, when I like, when things get slow, it makes me sick.

But that's what I'm saying. But then this day was different. Right. That's usually how I feel. But I told him to turn it off. But I knew that in 24 hours I'm going to go back to work. Right. So it wasn't the anxiety.

It was silent. It was actually good. Yeah. So I was, that's when I was freaking out. I've never felt like. Usually I'm good. Usually I feel like I hate it. you said but I liked it and I was like this is really weird and we ended up like bonding like over like

drinks at the end of the day like we all started crying and I hadn't been like letting my emotions come out for such a long time I'd been suppressing them because I didn't have time for it I don't have time don't have the energy like I can't be emotional so I was like holding it all down and then I was like this was a crazy day and then I just started opening up and my friends were telling me like Yeah, you seemed a little, like, gone for a minute. So, like, it feels good to have you back. I was like, yeah, I always felt like it started to get really weird every time I talk about emotions.

And anyone who, yeah, anyone who would start talking about the emotions, I'd literally, like, stand up and just go off. Right. Like, I'd be, like, pissed off for some reason. I'd be like, I don't want to talk about this. It's because I do you ever feel like if, like, when someone else is talking about it makes you confront your own and you're like, I don't want to do this right now?

Maybe. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Why do we end up talking about this? I'm so sorry. Are you apologizing? Are we supposed to be talking about this?

Yes, yes. One thing about me, I know we just met is I am the most anxious motherfucker in the world. And what I really loved about what you said was when you said that you weren't anxious because you knew that you were going to work the day after. Not everyone's way of making themselves feel better is having work. It's having work. But if it works for you, it works for you. And like, that actually just helped me because I'm, like, oh, I actually love that.

Like, if I'm ever feeling that way, like, you know, I could take like an hour or two a day. Like, you can take, I think you have more time, hopefully, than you think. And if it's going to make your work better, you could tell your team, like, I need an hour. Friend, FaceTime, chill, remove myself, no tax. This is the thing. So I tried it, like, a few weeks ago in New York. I extended my trip. I was going to have a weekend.

But I ended up working. like the whole day and I ended up like and then the weekend past I was like that didn't feel like a weekend and then that's when I admitted I said to myself okay I'm somebody that doesn't know how to take a break right I did I literally said I'm going to take a break it did not it was not fun at all I ended up working all day and I was stressed all day and you know my brain didn't stop but then it was different this time because that's when I like I said I'm just not going to look at my phone don't text me tomorrow so that was the difference I was like it was just like that act actually like that action that I had to do. Right. You have to set up boundaries. Yeah. And I was like, wow. Yeah.

Because you get anxiety that if someone's texting you, that you're missing a text. So if you know that no one's texting you and you're setting up that control. And I've told them. Don't worry. I'll look at it in 24 hours. Just please do not message me. I don't want to have to have the feeling of looking at my phone. It works for you.

Yeah, but usually like I'd feel bad about it. But like I knew like. You should have. Yeah, because I was like, okay, sooner or like. later I'm going to start crashing and then it's going to be more difficult for people to work with me because I slowly started feeling like I was like kind of avoiding things but usually I'm the one that I'm like so what's happening with this what's happening with that I go to them usually that's me and so that's how the system runs but then I started feeling that I was like kind of like oh like dreading going

to work dreading waking up and I was like okay that's diff that's not me so something's happening and then that's why I took that one day off and I was like wow And it was a nice reset. Yeah, I was. What's your, when's your birthday? February 11th. Oh, are you an Aquarius? I am.

You were sciving such Virgo just now. Really? Like you love, like, to control and make sure everything is like in your order. Okay. It's very Virgo. Burger, but then why am I Virgo when I'm an Aquarius? So. I don't know, it's not so.

No, no, no, so. Obviously. I also, I know, I know, like, the basic, basic, basic, basicness of it. So I was, you know, I really didn't have anything else to say after that. It was just like, I was like, oh, she's giving Virgo. Okay. Oh, she's like, you just felt like I was a bit of a burger. But I'm always wrong.

So that checks out that I was wrong. Okay. Yeah, I'm an Aquarius. But then when I'm working, it's a different person. Well, you do have a rising and a moon. And your rising is like what you bring to work. Like you portray to your, like, portrayed other people. So if it's a Virgo, I'm going to be really impressed with myself.

Mm-hmm. But what do you, what do you? I'm a Scorpio. Okay. I have my best friends a Scorpio too. Yeah. Dark. No,

I love them. And I'm a Gemini rising and Gemini Moon. Okay. Dark. That's how you perceive yourself and how... Yes, yes, yeah. And that's like, moon is how I perceive myself.

Rising's how others perceive me. Sun. I don't know. Okay. I need to do a little more research before I start talking about this because I'm always wrong. But like, I'm always like, oh, she's giving Virgo just now. Okay. So do you...

You want to talk about number one girl? Yeah. I'm excited because you just showed it to me. So we... You're the first person that I showed. Like, I'm fucking honored. So that song is about how you dealt with like online perception? Yeah, well, yeah, that's the base of the song.

But it's like an emotion. I think it's a universal emotion. But yeah, that was the experience I grabbed from. And then we wrote it. And how did that feel to write? So, like, it was a funny day. I came back home from, like, an event, and I was at the hotel. I was doing back-to-back sessions.

But, like, yeah, so I guess from the event, social anxiety, I was, you know, trying to be, like, my best self. It came home, and the next day, I was like, I was, actually, no, what am I talking about? I came back home. I was on the internet. Yeah. Doing my daily check of negative comments. Yeah.

Yeah. But it'd been like a minute since I hadn't been out, you know, I hadn't been like, I wasn't releasing music. I hadn't been active because I was in the studio. I was trying to really like work on, like work on that. And so I was trying to close off like my, what do you call it? Like your Black Pink Rose. Yes, yes, yes.

And I needed to, you know, channel into like what I think every day, like as like a normal person. Did you, when you would go in the studio, would you, like, be conscious not to, like, go on Instagram and go on these, like, social and, like, read all these comments. You would still read them? That's me. That's very me. I just to be myself, but that's something I do. And you know what? And that's fine.

I'm ashamed, but I do. My screen time, you would be appalled. You would be. It's pretty disgusting. I wake up. And I'm, like, checking, check in, check in, check. Right. And so, yeah, I'm just being my authentic self.

But because I, like, wasn't updating much. And, like, I was still navigating my way. Right, right. I was recording every day. So I wasn't posting. I wasn't posting cute picks or anything. I wasn't going out. I didn't even feel like going out because I have nothing to celebrate life for.

I was like, I need it. I have so much to do. And so it was, like, not celebration time. So, like, I'm not presenting myself. I'm not, like, really posting pictures. And I know like everyone wants me to be like thriving like in success and that's what they wanted. But then in order for me to like, you know, have that real success. Yeah, beyond the internet is when I have something, but I didn't have anything in my hands.

And so like in my sense, I'm like working really, really hard. And then within the internet obviously. Didn't think you were working hard. And then I find myself in like the wrong part of the world in the social media world. And I've put myself there obviously. but I'm like, where is this comment that's going to like, ruin my day? Yeah. And then I find a good one.

I'm like, hmm. Yeah, it keeps scrolling. And you're like, who responded to that good one? Yeah, yeah. Like you're a real one. And then I see a negative one and I'm like, oh, about myself. It's just like, I'm like, that's not true. But the worst is when you read something that you've already thought about yourself.

Oh, yeah. And you're like, oh, my God, they notice it too. That was. But so you were reading these comments. And then I, I couldn't get any sleep. I probably stepped up to like 6 a.m. or something. And then got to the student.

They were like, how is your day? And it's like, it was really bad. Yeah, it had been like a few months since, because I'm not active, like more people just have all the rights to say things. And obviously, I'm not going to respond or anything, but it just keeps that community who's growing and thriving in their world. I'm like, the hater world. Yeah, it's like weeds.

If you don't cut them, they'll grow. Yeah, basically. And so I was like, really. really like the anger actually got to me and like again I'm not usually like that I think usually I was like the me that I am usually it's like I really don't care about that because I trust in myself and I know myself and I know where I'm at and everything but it had been like months of that so it did get to me eventually and I hated it was it felt disgusting I think I like ended up crying like pulled myself in the hotel room and they got there and I was like oh like I just I feel this way and

I wonder if like And this is the thing I didn't like that part of me It wasn't like oh I feel these emotions Let's write the song I was like I hated it I wanted to hide it And I had nothing else to talk about

Because like that day I was just feeling shitty So I didn't even want to talk about any like I don't want to talk about boys No nothing I was like ugh Yeah Feels gross and so I was like that's it And I was like I'm gonna write the most vulnerable Discussing the honest song

About like how I really feel and because that's the real emotion and then we started writing and it was so much fun and it was fun to write something sad yeah and just disgustingly open it's like you're shedding you're shedding it off of you

like you know what I mean it doesn't have to be pretty every time we like we'd write something and it's like oh like so like comforting and I said no I was like just I'm more honest more vulnerable like I couldn't even go on even worse but I was like I said kind of

but yeah and so we wrote it but then I think I like the song because sometimes I listen to it and reminds me of if I'm also going through a different thing, let's say I want to be loved by somebody or something or like a group of people or whatever. Like it also transforms. Right. So I'll sometimes listen to the song and it's nothing about like what it's about when I wrote it. But then like I'd relate to it in a different way as well.

That's the beauty of songwriting now. Yeah. And that's what that's what your fans are. And that's what everyone in the world is going to feel like. And I feel like it's going to be so cathartic for you to, like, see what that song means to other people. I just think it's such a cool, such a cool feeling, especially when you write it yourself and you had a hand in writing all of this. And, like, I just think, I think all of this anxiety and this built up tension is, it's going to feel like when you put Rosie out December 6th. December 6th, it's going to feel, you're going to feel like the biggest,

just now I think that it's going to be received beautifully. I hope. I was, like, so anxious about it. You're, like, when, like, the songs were, like, stacking up. I was getting anxious about it, but at this point, I've lived with the album for a long enough, and I know that it's just, like, it's, like, not much. It's, like, just normal human emotions.

So it's, like, how could it go wrong at this point? And if I was, yeah, because it's, like, just so me and like a song that I relate to and I just feel like of like a normal girl in her 20s anyway I feel like you know people would be able to relate They will Yeah they will

If you don't like it then you don't like it Exactly Period There we go Oh well With all of that being said I'm like that was like the most beautiful therapist intro of all time

Wait that was an intro I think Okay. I think I talked too much. No. No. No. You shouldn't second guess yourself as much as you do.

Okay. I want to stop doing that. Well, you know, it's easier said than done. But like, I'm always anxious that I present anxious. And you don't at all. You don't present anxious at all. And I know that's not how you're feeling all the time. But if you are ever anxious about that's how you're presenting and that causes you to second

guess yourself, just know that to someone that's never met you before, that's not how it comes off. Thank you. Thank you. I'm just wanting to say that. Well, before we get into the tell me what's wrongs, and that's where the pussies ask questions and we give them advice.

What are you, are you therapists about anything today? What brings you in today? Sorry. Like, are you? Are you therapist about anything? Am I pissed off at it? Yes, anything pissing you off. about anything today.

Hmm. Because I just had my Sunday off. You did? I'm very like therapy. Oh, you're very there, please. Therapy's right now. I've been like really working on my mental health. But this is, it's funny to say this because I'm like, I'm usually like work, work, work.

So I don't actually do usually say this. Like I'm working on myself as not like a phrase that I usually use. So I've been trying to think really positive and just like in like real time. So I'm like trying to, I don't know. not. I don't think I have... Oh, that's so admirable. Do you know why?

Also, like, today I was like, like, because it's an interview and usually, like, I always have, like, somebody, like, drum me off. And I was like, I want to drive today. Like, you know, actually, I want to drive. So I, like, let my drive ago. And, like, I had, like, the nicest drive over here. Like, right now. And, like, I was, like, the weather's so nice today.

Uh-huh. It is so nice. And I just had, like, a playlist on. And I was like, wow, I'm, like, really happy. Like, it's really been only, like, two, three days for up and I'm just. I'm like trying to tell myself how happy I am and that I'm grateful and I'm like trying to live in real time. Positive self-talk. Yeah, because usually I'm like not living in real time.

I live in like, my God, I shouldn't have said, I shouldn't have said okay to that like three days ago. Like, why did we do that? I don't understand that. And then the future. Like, so if we're going to do that, like, I have to make sure that this is like this. And like then what, like I'm always talking about some time that's not like now. Right. But like today was a good day because it was like a podcast.

I knew I'd be meeting you and I felt like it was going to be a chill. It is. Yeah. And my homework is just to be myself today. Right. So I don't really have to think. You just come as you are. Yeah.

And so I was like, I'm going to wake up and I did my own makeup today. I don't know if I did well. Girl. Can we? Yes, you did well. You ate. Thank you. You ate.

I tried hard. I didn't do my own hair, but I did my makeup. And then so I'm going to drive myself. And it's just like a good day for me. And I also have like something. I have like a rehearsal. personal later on. I've been anxious about it.

But, like, I've been trying to do this thing where it's like, I'll go. And I trust myself, I know it's always ends up being good because I know myself, I'm way too antsy and detailed to leave it. Let it be bad. Yeah, let it be bad. So, just in myself, I have a nice little podcast.

I'm going to go for, like, you know, a little chit-chat, and then get there, like, do it. Well, it's going to be good. And so that's why I'm, like, you ask me what I'm going to do. I'm so happy. It's nothing. And then you know what you're going to do? after the rehearsal, relax.

Relax. Yeah, until the next day. Until the next day. Yeah. So you said you were having a little playlist on on the way here. What are you listening to right now? I was listening to a, how do you pronounce her name? Clara.

Clero? Yeah, I was just listening to her whole. She's great. Yeah, I've only just started listening and it's like, it's so nice to listen to it in the LA weather. Oh, yeah. Clero's like ultimate L.A. music. I've really like just started listening, so it's like, if you are me which song you're like, oh, I don't know the name song.

I like the fourth song on the playlist. Yeah, but that whole thing. She has this song called Feel Something. How does it go? How does it go? I might know. Want to feel something. I don't feel nothing.

Wait, maybe I haven't gone to that song yet. No, maybe not. And then it turns out it's the second song. You're like, oh, that shouldn't sound like that. Yeah, I'd be like, no, I would think you sang it way too, like, good. Oh, it was too good? Yeah. Thank you.

Thank you. Of course. It was very, like, Celine Dion. Yeah. Very Celine. But yeah. So you're listening to Clara. Is there anything else you're listening to right now?

Anyone else? Oh, I had been listening to a lot of, because it's like sometimes you don't know what to play. Right. But I have a song with Bruno. So I like, it's kind of my drive. Really? Yeah, apparently. Yeah, I do.

So that's usually the fun playlist to play because it's like always ended. That song has edged its way into my brain. It is, that pre-chorus is one of the most addicting pre-courses I have heard that I'm dead ass serious this decade. It's like, pop, perfection. How was working with Bruno? Because you guys are like best friends at this point. Besties. Because what he put?

No, because he posted the most. outrageous for like he's crazy my job i was like wait what the hell is happening like literally he joked about it and i called him twice me like don't do it you're gonna get canceled like literally don't do it he was laughing he was like this gonna be so funny i was like don't you i was like don't you don't you fucking dare usually i'll tell him once and then i was like oh shit i feel like he's going to actually do it right hold him again literally i was like don't do it and he's like oh like just post the picture just post the picture and then and then i was okay i'm going to tease it now And then I tease it.

And then he leaves a comment and I'm like, oh, my God, I was screaming. Yeah. I was like getting, oh my God, I was getting on a flight. Yeah. Because I needed to like, um, so I was like getting to the airport, right? Like packing my bags and I just posted. I was like just checking. Right, right, right.

And then I'm like, literally midpacking and I'm like, ah! Yeah. I like screamed and like my team like ran in. They're like, what happened? Did someone die? Yeah. You're like, no, Bruno just posted the most annoying bucking captain I've ever seen. And I was like, he's crazy.

Yeah. And then like, we're. And then we're on the way to the airport. And then, like, I'm in the car. And then I'm just, like, trying to check, like, you know, like the reactions and stuff. I'm like, oh, he posted the, like, the other picture. And he has the whole fanfic thing. And I'm like, are you kidding?

You haven't seen this, Nolan? No. It is the craziest. I was. My jaw hit the floor. But can I tell you it was the best song promo ever? He knew what he was doing, clearly. The song's, like, number one in the world.

It was just like, it's going to be so funny. I'm like, I called him and I'm like, you're crazy. And he's like, Rosie, it's like, hilarious people are going. I'm like, this is serious. I was like, this is serious for me. I've been waiting, you know, to release a song for so long. Like, you're so annoyed. But yeah, he's funny.

It was funny. A pain in your ass, but he's funny. Yeah, he did lift the mood up because usually you get so anxious when you start teasing things. Like, it's like a moment where like, you get so, like, as an artist, like, you get so vulnerable because, you know, you have been working on this. for so long and it has to be good and it has to be the right decision. So usually you're really anxious, but, you know, the whole day I was just like,

yeah, like enlighten the mood. That is nice. Yeah. Did you guys record that in studio together? Initially, you've written the song a year ago, and I had that song for a long time. But it's like, it's so pop, right? Right. It's like, it kind of sits a little differently to the rest of my songs and my album.

And so I didn't know really what to do with it, but I knew that it did something to people every time I play it to anyone, they would always text me like a week later, like a month later, it would be like, when's that song coming out? I can't get it out of my head. So I knew it did something to people.

Because, I mean, the initial thought of writing it was written because it did something to people. They were doing the Chen. And I was like, huh, okay. It's triggering something, so we have to do it. And the song did the same. So I was doing that. And then I signed to Atlantic.

And then... Congratulations. Thank you. Congratulations. Yay, thank you. I'm happy. found a home and then he found out he was in the label and then i was like do you think do you think he would and then he jumped on it and then he did his little genius sprinkle right all over the song

and made it that like you know the song is and um and then he like came up with he was like you know from the studio and like he was like playing guitar and like drums and then he started talking about the ideas of the video like at first he'd like send these like video references i'll be like cool Wow. They'd be like, cool. He's like, Rosie, like, this seems like an idea. Like, okay, cool. And that was, like, very beginning stages.

And then he started talking about looks. He's like, oh, my God, this is a really cool look. And then he'd be like, oh, like, you know, this is a really cool look on you. And then it gets me thinking about, like, what kind of look I should be. Right. And, like, it was like building the world, that world. But, like, he had it in his head, I think, like, a whole month before, or, like, a few months the past, like, two months or something. and then he'd like throw things at me and then he'd let me know that this is like how it's developing

and like it was all just like little like hints and clues so I didn't really get it and then I remember I rocked up to the video set and I was like huh I get it right right I get it now um and it it was like the most fun shoot I've had in my whole entire life really it was fun like everything you see in the video that's literally how it was yeah laughing the whole time is he really funny No, he is funny, but that day he was like director mode. So I was like, do you director? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That day he was director mode, but then like the things that we were doing were

hilarious. Like, he's like, Rosie, we have to do this like thing. And it's like, we're like being like twins, right? But it was just funny. Right. I was like laughing the whole, because it's like we had to, I don't know if I'm allowed to spell the tea, but then we had to record it like slowly. But then so like you can't really.

Right, because it's so fast motion. Yeah. So it's like, ah, but. But then, so like, it's not real time, so I can't be laughing and you can't really see it. It's going to be like this anyway. And I was like, the whole time, I was like, ha. I'm dying. This is so funny.

I'm dying. This is so funny. It was just funny. And is that like the first time you, like, had to, like, do, like, in slow motion? Yeah. Oh, my God. The next day I felt I woke up feeling like a pregnant lady. Wait, really?

I literally was like, oh, my God, I can't get up. I was like, because you had to, because it hurt, like your back hurt? Like the whole back hurt because the whole video was done like. Right. Like the slowest emotions. Like this. And you don't usually do this. It's a workout.

Yeah. Because you have to like make sure. Sorry, I just cut you off. No, I think I do that. I did that the whole day today. I'm the worst.

I cut everyone else. We're like, so sorry. So sorry. We're both like constantly apologizing. Are we the same people? I think we are. Like you walked in.

You were telling me about your anxieties. I was like, oh, this will be great. Trauma bonding. Yeah. No. Literally, literally. Literally.

When you meet someone else with your same anxiety, like, oh, you're like, oh, we're good. Yeah, we're good. Like sister. You know what I mean? But who doesn't have anxiety? Some people don't, right? I think crazy people don't. Like when people tell me that they are not anxious, I'm like, do you think?

Like, do you know what I mean? I'm like, do you have time to think? Yeah. Do you even think? Have you ever seen the movie Inside Out 2? Oh, yeah. Okay. That, like, helped me understand my anxiety.

so much more. Oh, yeah. Because it's like... Oh my God, I say that sometimes. Sometimes when I'm doing the freaking out thing. Yeah. Cut you off. I'm sorry.

No. Please. I like say it out loud. I'm like, anxiety has taken over the control board right now. It has. It has. Anxiety has taken over my control room for 25 years. Oh, no.

She's sitting there and she's like comfortable. She's had bitch in charge up there. But like, you know, like she is sitting there and she's like running the show. But like it's, it checks out. out. It's like, oh, like, anxiety, like, does just want to help. Yeah. But it's just like, good intentions. Good intentions. And I'm like, yeah, like, we're good.

Good. Should we get into the tummy what's wrongs? Okay, yes. I think, I think you're going to have fun with them. Yes. Okay. Now, these, I've literally been like, yeah, right?

It's like, been slipping out of my hands. But it's actually usually better because it sucks that we have to hold this. I know. Oh, hold on. You don't understand. I got a haircut. Yeah, last night. Really?

Yes. I like had my entire. Yes, I cleaned my entire house. I was like, I was like, no. Rose is coming over. Like, yes, it was for you. Are you kidding? I'm like throwing shit.

I'm like, oh, you know, someone will pick it up. And my roommates are like, I'm going to kill you. The worst roommate. Okay, are you ready? The worst roommate. Yeah. I know my boyfriend of four years is about to propose. And I've given him no reason to think I'd say no,

but I feel like maybe I should say no. He's just kind of been giving me the ick for the past five months. Is that normal? Very. Why is that? Why would that not be normal? I think it's normal too. I feel like that's pre-engagement jitters or maybe.

Oh, well, I've never been engaged. Neither of I. Neither of I. I've also never had a boyfriend. So like I'm the worst. But like I, if that was me, I don't know. Like, because the difficult thing about anxiety is like some of the,

Sometimes you're like, is this real? Like, are these emotions that I'm feeling real? And, like, should I act on them or are they just anxiety? But to me, it sounds like she doesn't want to be engaged to him. The ick is a... It's a real thing. Yeah. That's a real thing.

But I don't think it might not be... She might feel bad because she starts feeling like she's not liking him, but then he's probably a good guy, whatever. But it's probably not about him. It's probably about something... about each other. Probably about something she wants and what she doesn't want and it has nothing to do with that guy being a bad guy or a good guy

probably needs much more conversation and love in the conversation. Not focusing on the ick, but focusing on like the love. And then once you start talking in love, I think you can start picking out real problems and really nurturing each other for about those problems. So I think it'd probably be best if you don't focus on the ick. But because of the

ick, you should start bringing out emotions and conversations, but out of love, not like negativity. Like, we're about to get engaged and I don't want to get engaged with you, not that. But like, let's talk about this. Like, I'm feeling a little bit of an ick and I don't know why. And then she probably, she's probably, she's probably to think about what she thinks, what she's thinking instead of about him giving her the ick. Damn. You give amazing advice. I'm like kind of, freaking out. I'm literally like break up with him.

Oh my God, am I boring? I'm like a grandma? No, he just, he was left speechless. That was like the best. Did anyone out there hear that advice? That was like incredible advice.

I feel like a grandma with my glasses. It's like, okay, sir. No, that was like wise and like thoughtful. I'm like, he's giving you the ick. Dump him. Oh my God.

I have no notes and nothing else to say because my advice is. so bad. But yeah, like, maybe the ick, I don't know. I feel like people, like she's hiding a lot inside because she has this feeling, he's going to propose, he's going to propose,

she's going to propose, she needs to say something. Yeah. You know, because, like, maybe you don't want to break up with him. Maybe the conversation will make her, like, be reassured and make her love him more again. 100%. Probably. That's probably going to happen.

I think so, too. I hope so. Cute. Have a great marriage. They're going to get married. I want to get married. I want to get married so bad. Really?

Kind of. Wow. I just want a boyfriend. Let's do it. I want one so bad. Let's talk about it. Let's talk about it. I don't know.

Like I've been searching for one my whole life and I'm like, I just want. You can make, don't search for it. We can make, just like we can create. Okay. There are like, you know, great people out there, I'm sure. Okay. I'm getting what you're picking up. Let's let's make it happen.

Let's go on the hunt. Yeah. Let's go on the hut. I fear I have a case of the terrible 20s. Some of my friends are getting married. I'm not. Some have kids. Not me.

Some have houses. And I feel like I'm nowhere near ready for any of that. I often get super down because of it. I'm hoping 30s are the new 20s they are. Ugh. So she's getting like anxiety because people around her are like getting married. I'm buying houses and like. When has that only like been a good?

Like my question is like getting married and getting a house. like why is that the status quo of being happy is my question some people have miserable experiences some people have miserable experiences there and sometimes i feel like oh i'm so happy that i'm i always yeah so like that shouldn't be i don't know there's no there's no boring like grandma why do you think this is boring this is like i'm like actually taking this in there is no status quo for happiness there shouldn't be at least like what if you're if you are not happy because you're basing your happiness in relation to other people around you, you're never going to be happy, which is hard for me to learn because I compare myself to everyone, everything all the time.

But it really is true. Side note, do you ever, like, when you touch this, like, do you ever like to tap the top really softly? And it's a little airy, and it feels like, ooh. Oh, I really, really like this. There are some people who, like, which, that gives me so much anxiety when I see my friends do it. Like, they do this. Nope.

Until it pops. No, no, no. Right? I was like, you're psychopathic. It's like trying to pop a balloon. Yeah, I'm like, you need to get therapy. You need to get therapy. You need to get therapist.

Yeah, you need to be here. You need to be right here. Wait, I'm sorry, my ADHD brain is like moving from thing to thing to thing, but I've been so desperate to ask you. Do you, like, what do you watch? Do you watch TV? I wish. I've been so busy.

I haven't had time. to just sit down and just focus on something. So. I think if you like give yourself, oh my God, I have suggestions. What type of stuff do you like? Like what's your vibe? Thriller, comedy, heartfelt. Oh, like TV based.

I like, I like the dating program. The dating? Do you watch Love Island? Yeah, I used to. And then the Australian one was really fun. Yeah. And then I started watching Korean ones. Have you watched the Korean?

Are they good? Oh, that's a whole new world. Really? Yes. What's different about them? Like, so like, like the Love Island stuff, like, like, first day they're already like making out and everything. But the Korean ones are like, last episode and they hold their, they turn out. And everyone's like, oh.

Yeah. They hold hands. It's the vibe. Right, right, right. Oh my God, he gave her a hug is the like 15th episode. Wait, I want that. But it's like so good. Yeah.

Have you ever watched any K dramas? Squid Game is Korean, no? Yeah. Oh. He's Squid Game. Yeah. Do you watch Squid Game? Yeah, I watched it in like three days.

Season 2 is about to come out. Yeah, I saw the Billboard. I'm so excited. Squid Game was. I saw the billboard. My addiction. Yeah. My addiction.

Yeah. And like I became really down bad for Squid Game and now I'm really excited for season two. Yeah. I saw that I, I, uh, bumped into the actor. Like, you know, if you've seen the Billboard, it's the main character.

Yeah, the main guy. And he's changed his hair red. Yeah. And, like, I saw him at Lachma the other day. And he's, like, he's really nice to me. He's always like, hi, Rosie. Like, it's good to see. And I was like, I was such a big bad.

So addicting, dude. He's, like, on the billboard. Yeah. And I was like, do you know, that's, like, one of the most watched Netflix shows of all time. Really? Yeah, of all time. Kind of deserves it.

It was fun. It is the most watch. It is the most watch? Really? Did you watch Squid Game? I did when it first came out. Yeah, same, no, same. For me, I was a bit late to it because everyone was like, Squid Game, Skit Game, Skit Game,

and me being me, I'm like, yeah, I'll watch it Sunday. And then I think I got, I think it was like, I got COVID or something. And I was, like, stuck home. And so I, like, turned on the first episode. And, like, the next day, I'm, like, on my last episode. And I finished it and, like, that was me. And I wasn't, I'm always very, like, hesitant of, like, when everyone's, like, everyone loves a show. I'm always like, I know.

Like, I'm always like, really? you like it. I don't know. Don't think it would be my thing until I'm obsessed. And then I'm like, damn. Like there's this show called Tell Me Lies. Oh, tell me lies. I think you would like it.

Really? I think you would like it. It's about a very toxic relationship in college. But it's very soapy. It's very soap opera-y. And it's very like, it's just, it's, it's very dramatic.

There's twists and turns. And, I mean, guys. So hot. Okay. Very important. Yeah. Very hot. And I think you would really, really, really like it.

Okay. Tell me lies. Yeah. And then you don't like, like, you don't like, um, well. Scary stuff. I mean, if I have friends to watch it with maybe. You don't like high stress things, do you? Because you're already.

Not right now. Okay. Because my favorite show I just started watching was the show called industry. Mm-hmm. And it's, but that's like the highest of stress. So maybe, maybe none of that. Okay. But maybe some time when I'm.

Maybe sometime. when you're like, I need, I need excitement. Yeah, I need excitement. I need excitement. I need excitement back in my life. Okay. There's this one girl that copies my every move from the same nails, TikTok videos, pictures, anything you can think of.

The worst part is we have the same name. What do I do? Enjoy it. Yeah, like enjoy it. I think imitation is the highest form of flattery, which is frustrating sometimes. But people also don't copy me. So, like... But it also depends.

If that girl's a mean, like, mean to her and then copying everything, that's, like, a bit annoying. Yeah. If she's just, like, copying her, just become besties and then bond over her. She obviously likes your stuff and, like, give tips and whatever. But then, again, like I said, if that girl is a bit of, like, mean and then copying everything, this is annoying. I think you're one of the nicest people I've ever met.

I really. Yes. No, I'm mean. You're like, oh, they're copying you. Just befriending them. And then you get rid of this dress. I'm having a lot of fun with you. Oh, really?

Have you ever done a podcast before? Oh my gosh, I don't think I have. I am so fucking honored. Oh my, this is my first podcast? I am. But why do I feel so like... Relaxed? Yeah.

Like I'm just like... I'm just like... That's what it feels like. Jake, it's been way too long and I still can't get over one of my best friends. I know she doesn't feel the same, but I overthink moments that have happened, which is what makes me think of what could have been. So they had like a friendship fallout. Wait, so what happened?

Do you think she... The girl? is kind of left or is she? It's unclear, but what it feels like they had a mutual falling out. And it feels like if she wanted it back, she could get it back, but she knows that it's not good for her. Oh, it's not good for her. Yeah. That girl's not good for her.

And I've had, I've had friendship breakups. And in the moment, they feel so, it's the closest thing I've ever had to a real breakup. And in the moment, they feel so earth shattering. Yeah. But then I feel like when you think of yourself right now And you and you list like four or five things that you're grateful for right now They would not be here if you did not let that person go Is how I try to view it

Nice Thank you I think that's exactly what she should do is just Don't be dramatic I don't know maybe that's a bit hard to say No no say like Yeah like I think I got a dramatic over something once And then I was just like, just live a simple life.

Right. Says somebody who's so not simple. No, but you can find the simplicity in anything. Yeah, but like just being, just acknowledging it. And then not defining that fallout with like thinking that like it's a failure. Right. Right. Right.

She's feeling like it's a failure. Like I invested all this time in this relationship and now it's done. Yeah. But sometimes relationships are meant to be there to teach you something. And then let go. Yeah. And they're just like just don't think of it as failure. Just think of this is today.

She's not in my life today. And then later on, let's say five days. She could be. And then just even when she just come back in, just naturally let it be. Don't be so dramatic. 100%. Yeah.

Period. So, says the girl that's the least chill in the world. You know what, though? Sometimes the people that give the best advice can't take their own advice. So that's why people say, do as I say, not as I do. True, very true. So, Rose, what did we learn today? We learned that I am not therapist at anything today as of today.

Which is a great sign. I mean, she had a great time in the therapist office. Literally, this is the best start to my day. Stop! Literally. Are you serious? I'm not even joking. I'm going to feel so good after this.

I don't feel like I worked at all. Stop. Literally. This is an extension to my weekend. You guys. You fucking guys. Thank you for having me. Are you kidding?

Thank you for being here. Oh my God. Everybody, Rose's new album, Rosie, comes out December 6th. And her new single number one girl is out now, as well as her new single, Apeté with Bruno Mars. Go stream it. Go listen to it. Go cry to it.

Go cry. Go dance. Go do it all. Do it all. Rose, thank you for being here. Thank you so much. I love you. I love you.

I love you. Thank you. Goodbye, pussies. Goodbye. He's got you on the hook and he's shook. It's therapist, there a pus, there a pus.