Therapuss with Jake Shane - Session 53: FKA Twigs

Episode Date: January 23, 2025

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Solving your problems with the famous person on the couch. It's there a bud, and he's shook. It's me, Jake Shane. Hi, pussies, and welcome back to Therapus. This is my first time back in this studio in a while because, um, without doxing myself, I was in an evacuation zone for a very, very long time. We had no water or power until, I think, Friday. So we're just able to get back.

And my heart is with every single person who was affected by this. I've been trying to do everything I can to just do my part in this. It's actually, like, I feel like I know some people might understand the gravity of what happened. but like if you don't live in Los Angeles, I'm not quite sure you understand just how bad what happened was. I feel like no one knows what the air quality really is like because a lot of the houses that burned, like have like a lot of like asbestos and old chemicals that came up from the ground

or from whatever from the houses. And those chemicals apparently aren't measured. in AQI, which is the air quality index. My grandparents lived on the Lower East Side when 9-11 happened. And because of how bad the air was and the dust and the chemicals in the air, like my grandpa got leukemia later on in life. From that, we think it's from that. We're almost positive it is.

And so, like, I just have, like, I'm, like, like, I've been really, really, really, really anxious. Especially because I just, like, at the end of the day, really just, like, miss my home. But I've been, like, out of it for a while. But I know I'm so grateful that it is still standing. And, like, I am in that position. I didn't really understand how bad it was until I texted.

It made its way to my friend's street. And I texted her and I said, hey, like, are you evacuated? Are you safe? And, like, she was like, hey, my house burned down. And this was Tuesday night and I was like, oh, holy fuck. And then I woke up Wednesday morning. Sorry, I'm like all over the place, but that's because like I feel all over the place. I woke up Wednesday morning, um, to the scariest images.

I've, like, just the most devastating images I've ever seen. It was just really scary, you guys. Like, it was just really scary. and never experienced anything like that before. But what I was saying was, I think what I'm really scared of now is the air quality. Like, I'm really scared. Like, I'm really anxious about it. I don't know what to do.

It, you, because it's invisible, right? Like, you can't, it's not, you can't see chemicals with the naked eye. You can see ash. But that's not what, like, I'm reading. Like, I'm reading like, ash is one problem. And then you have all these chemicals. which is another problem. And then as I was saying, I think about my grandpa and like,

and I'm very close to where like the fires happened. It feels like nobody knows what the fuck is going on. And it's really scary and it's really sad because L.A. is my favorite city in the entire world. If anyone is watching this and you have a personal go fund me or something that I can contribute to please comment it, DM it to me, send it my way. Literally anything, anything, I'm just trying to help in any way I can. Below this video, I will include resources to help out in the Palisades and Altadena Fire.

I don't really know what else to say. It's just really heartbreaking. It's horrible and it's a really scary time to be in Los Angeles. But if there's one thing about Los Angeles, I know. it's that we will get through this and we will come back. I know that as a city, we will come back stronger than ever before. L.A. is my favorite place in the entire world. I love the people here.

I think Angelinos get a bad rep sometimes, but it's not the case. People here are some of the best people I've ever met in my entire life, some of the most empathetic and caring. And I think seeing the way in which this community has come together is really, really beautiful. And yeah, if I don't include a resource that you've been in personal contact with that you've found to be great, please send it to me. I'll include it. I'll look into it. And then please, if there's a GoFundMe, anything, just please comment, send it, message it, anything to me, please.

I just would also like to say, if anybody listening to this has been affected. I hope you are safe. I hope your family's safe. I hope your pets are safe. And I love you. I'm trying to think of like something that like made me smile in the past week. Um, I have spent a lot of time with Will.

Will and I, uh, like, do you guys remember during, okay, well, if you were like in your like 20s during COVID, it was kind of like the person you were with when everything kind of happened. you kind of stayed with. Will was that person for me. So Will was with me on January 7th. And I ended up just like staying with him basically until today. So I've spent a lot of time with Will and he's just been the greatest ever.

And we talked about him and Cassidy doing a therapist episode together, which I'm really, really excited about because they are so fucking funny. I'm so excited for you guys to get to know them. We're planning it for February. I like, like, that is one thing that's made me smile. I'm really excited to record with Will and Cassidy. Oh my God. Today we have the iconic FCA Twix.

Getting to talk to her about Usexuala, which is her third studio album that's out this week was so awesome. She, like, really, when she creates these albums, like she creates in time. entire universes for them, which is, like, my favorite part about music is, like, falling into the universe of the album. And, like, with Usexual, there's such a universe. Like, it's so based in rave culture. It was the cool, like, one of the coolest interviews I've ever done.

I learned so much about Usexual, which is, like, a mindset, a word. It's everything. Like, you guys will know by the end of the episode, like, what the fuck I'm talking about. But, yes. Oh my God. How could I fucking forget? A disclaimer, before you watch this episode, we had the technical difficulty to end all technical difficulties.

Yeah, we can laugh about it now. At the moment, it was heart-wrenching. We lost an entire episode. And we also, if this episode looks different, if you're watching this, it's because, so we have three just like, like technical, like logistics-wise. we have three cameras filming us.

We have one on me, one on a wide shot, and one on the guest. Twigs' camera. Okay, there was like a corruption of sorts. And her camera shot got corrupted. So we lost her solo shot. But that's just like a disclaimer for the episode. It's still a wonderful episode. But just if things look a little different, that is why.

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again, Seekek, I die for you. I love you. And a reminder that all proceeds from Seekkeek in this episode will be donated to the Wildfire Recovery Fund. Okay, I love you, Pussy's. Enjoy the episode. Hi Pussies and welcome back to Therapus. Today we have singer, songwriter, dancer, actress, artist extraordinaire FKA Twigs. Hi. Thanks for being here. Thank you for having you. You just got off a flight?

Yes. Okay, amazing. And are you, you're in LA doing promo for your third studio album, Yousexua? Mm-hmm. What does U-Sexua mean? Okay, good question. U-Sexua, it's a word that I don't think exists, at least in the English language, and it is a feeling of complete.

presence. I can describe it better in moments of life. So, for example, it's a feeling when you've been out dancing or night at a rave. You just lose yourself. You lose like eight hours to the dance floor. You look at your, what can you think? Oh, wow, it's eight o'clock in the morning. How did that happen? It's because you've been in a state of you sexual. It's also when you've been kissing someone for hours, but not someone that you love, like someone that you've just met. Oh, okay. I love that. I haven't kissed someone in so long. Sorry, continue. You know, like when you kiss a stranger and there's like no expectation and they're just gorgeous and there's no ego, there's no expectation.

It's just like you feel like you can kiss them for hours and hours and hours. I feel like I always have expectation, but I do, I do understand that. Maybe I think I have an issue with being present. I think that's my issue. Okay, well, you need more you sexual. I think I need more you sexual too. It's also the moment before an orgasm. Oh.

Like a moment of complete nothingness. You can't orgasm if you're thinking about it. I guess you can't. When did you come up with this word? I think I just felt like in my life I was missing it. And then I went and I was living in Prague for a few months. And then I kept on having this feeling. I was going out to these incredible raves and these amazing parties.

And I kept on having this feeling of like complete presence. And I was like, what is this? But there wasn't a word for it. So I thought I'd make one up. And is it combining euphoria and like sexual? Like is that? No, it's just a word that I made up that I think sounds like the feeling of like human presence and human awareness and loss of ego and, you know, like humans were so beautiful, but I think we forget that, you know? I forget that.

We have such capacity. Like, I feel like there's such untapped potential. Yeah. Especially now, you know, like we're constantly on our phones. We're constantly thinking. about things that actually don't really matter that much. But I feel like for me constantly searching to be in a state of U-Sexua, it allows me to be present, be happier, make better art.

100%. That's incredible. That's so creative. Well, you know that. So U-Sexua comes out January 24th, and when did you start working on the album? Well, traditionally, I've always... I counted when it starts from the first, like the conception of the first song on the record. And I started to conceive the first song on the record when I was 13.

Which one was that? It's a song called Child Like Things. Okay. Wow. So you've been making music for a really long time. Yeah. Yeah, I have been. Yeah.

And how do you keep track of something you created when you were 13? Well, I was in Big Sur and I was there with a few of my favorite collaborators and producers. and my friend started making up this beat. And for some reason, the song that I wrote, I started writing when I was 13 and I finished it when I was 18. The song just downloaded into my head over the music. Oh, wow. I just remembered all the lyrics, all the melodies,

and I sang it all in one go. And everyone was like, wow, you're a genius. And I was like, no, I wrote it a long time again. Wait, that's incredible. Yeah. So how long have you been writing music for? I think since I was nine. Wow.

Yeah. So would you say, because you are a million and one thing. You're a dancer, you're an artist, you're a singer, you're a songwriter, you're an actress. But what would you say kind of came to you first? Just the hunt to unravel what it is to be human. I find so exciting new ideas. But I don't really know what it is I am yet. I feel like I'm still figuring that out.

But from when I was a child, I was always just in my own. world, always in my own world and always trying to create things. And I remember one of my earliest memories in the playground was convincing everybody to be in my imaginary orchestra. So I was a conductor and then I told everyone what instrument they were playing and then everyone had to play the instrument, but silently. But it's just, you know, just using the imagination, I just love it. I think it's just such a incredible feeling to be able to create and go beyond the balance. from which like society sets on us like the boundaries that society sets to be able to use our imaginations to break out of that? Yeah, 100% is very exhilarating to me.

So I watched the music video for you sexual which is also drums of death. It's both together, right? What is the idea? So for those that don't know, which I'm sure most of you do, you walk into a corporate office and then kind of how would you describe it? It like turns into like this like you dance and then it turns into like it like you know it like flips to the ceiling

and then turns into this complete other thing like what is the meaning like behind all of that like how did you? Because you have such a large hand and how those visions come to life. I mean these things are not linear to me like I like to make things a feeling rather than a narrative

but the feeling is about a person or me or you that you're in a space and you want to break out of it. And so you set this idea in this way, how you're going to infect everybody with this idea that you can break out of something and you can fulfill your potential, you can fulfill your human potential.

And through that, it creates this incredible, magical land, which is like very grounded and it's kind of about connecting with your body and connecting in this raw human experience and you start to experience it. And then every, everyone around you, they start to experience it as well.

And then it just makes everybody feel so happy in their bodies that they just want to, like, be naked and be together and be expressive and move in ways that they've never moved anymore. And then you go through this whole experience and it's going up and up and up and everyone's driving each other and kind of pushing each other and egging each other on until you realize that you have to go back because we have to be here. You know, you have to be here and grounded. so then you come back into the place where you originally were, but you have a piece of what you discovered, and you can take that piece of what you discovered into the room where you are and leave with it. So it's not that everything has to change.

It's just that it needs to be infected a little bit. Yes. Yes, because I was thinking about the music video when you're saying that, because when you start, you have, like, you have a different look, towards the end of it, like that's been infected by the Usexual-esque part of the music video. Wow.

That's cool. So what made you want to do drums of death and U-Sexua together in one video? Well, it's really hard for me to pick singles, you know, for U-Sexual because I really love it all, and all of them are so important to me. And it's like these 11 corners of U-Sexual. And so I just wanted to try and squeeze in, you know, two ends of the spectrum because drums of death is very hard. It's very tough and it's very visceral. And then Usexua is very ephemeral and it's very cerebral.

And it's like such an offering, you know, in a different way. But both are so important. So it's kind of taking two things on the album, which are on the opposite spectrum to show kind of the breadth, you know, know, of the piece of work. Do you have one that maybe you're most excited for people to like hear and receive? But there's just moments on songs, there's lyrics, there's, it's sounds, there's this amazing kind of harp break and keep it and hold it where the whole song kind of just breaks down and it goes out of time and this harp sort of tumbles.

And I find that like very physical every time I listen to it all. There's certain lyrics. Like there's this one song called Sticky. well like I found that when I get tense my body gets in so much pain like when I feel stressed and then I was there's a lyric and it's like like you're right I hold it in my body little snakes inside a bottle writhing in my frustrations because I feel like sometimes you have like little

insects inside your body yeah you know and you feel stressed so I don't know this little kind of bits of every song but it's hard I like it all and I think that there's probably you know something a lyric a sound a beat that could connect with everybody. Wow. And where did you record most of the album? I wrote Ruma Falls, the lyrics. I started to write them in the toilets of a rave in Prague and

On Perfectly, which is on the deluxe. There's the sound of waves in a bha crashing at the end of the ocean. I wrote some of it in Big Sur, in this kind of bizarre sort of hippie retreat that had no heating, no electricity, no Wi-Fi, no doors, no cup. And then. Wait, wait, wait.

No, okay, hold on. No heating, no electricity, no Wi-Fi. So it was cold, though. You were cold. It was freezing. I mean, that was a whole thing in itself. I'm fine with that. I can go into, but basically I have a friend,

Jeff Basker, who's like an amazing songwriter and producer. And he said to me, I've just got this kind of musical ranch in Big Sur. Like, I'd love you to come and, like, bless the place first because he hadn't had any proper recording session. So I was like, I'd love to come. And so I invited some of my favorite producers and artists and friends to come and hang out with me. But we got there and obviously, like, he was still like setting it out.

Yeah. And so there was nothing. There was nothing, yeah. And so were you? Freezing and scared and alone. I mean, we all convinced ourselves that we were going to get killed on top of this hill. It kind of got very, it was giving like Blair Witch after a while, but it really added something to the music.

I would like you are so much better than me like the fact that you stood there and created art you stayed there and created art when there was no Wi-Fi no electricity and in the cold is wild but I guess we were having cold baths what it was kind of hilarious and to be honest like we actually ended into such a state of hysteria that it got to the point where we all had to sleep in each other's beds right we got so scared that we had to share beds and take it in terms of like whose room we were sharing it. It was a whole thing, but we made like probably a quarter of the album now. Wow. Wow. I guess in like situations like that when you're in like, and were you, did you, was there like a moment where you're like, should we leave? No, you couldn't leave. What?

No, you couldn't leave. I mean, basically, I mean, I feel bad. I feel like, I'm like going to blow Jeff up. But like basically like, basically the Wi-Fi and the heating went out. And then Jeff was like, okay, like, I'm going to go back. to L.A. And we were like... Wait, Jeff stay.

Yeah, we were like, just staying. He was like, no, like, you know, we have this, like, lovely guy, Jerry there to look after us. We were like, okay, like, Jerry's here. That'll be okay. But it was on the top of this hill, so you kind of, you couldn't get down. Yeah. You like technically couldn't really get down. So, yeah, we stayed there and we just rode it out.

But it was definitely psychedelic for sure. Wow. Your life is really cool. is what I think I'm gathering. Like, you're telling me you're writing like this in like the bathroom of a rave in Prague. Like, I could never. Yeah. Like, that's cool.

That's cool. Sorry, I'm just like in awe a little bit. Do you have anything your therapist about today? Wow, I really didn't plan this. That's the whole point of the show, isn't it? I should have thought about it. Okay, it's okay. Like, I can start if it makes you feel better.

Okay, you start. Because I always have something I'm angry about. Okay, go on. Be furious. Okay, so I, my, um, my eyebrows were getting really messy and I needed to get them waxed. And I was like, I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. And then I finally got up to do it because I am, as I said before we started, so fucking lazy.

And I got up to go do it. And the entire place was under construction. Okay. It's very petty, but like I was annoyed. Um, okay. Okay. I can tell you the last thing I was annoyed about. Yes.

Is it just the last thing? It's kind of, it's not a big deal. Yeah. Okay, so basically I just came back from shooting a music video in Marseille and we were shooting nights. So we were shooting from like 2 p.m. until about 5 a.m. But then I was too excited so I couldn't go to sleep until 8 a.m. So I basically stayed awake for three days. And then I was awake for three days because it was like shooting two nights.

Right, right. So I just was awake the whole time. And then there's this big. storm in London. Then I tried to get back from Marseille to I tried to get back from Marseille to London but there was a storm so I couldn't so then I had to get a train from Marseille to Paris back to London and it took 24 hours to get back from Marseille to London which is like a three-hour flight and then I went to the airport well because I've come away on this trip now and I'm away for two

months and I packed but I was so flustered when I was packing because I only had like a few hours because I was back a day late because of this whole travel scenario. And so they went to the airport and I missed my flight when I went to the airport. So then I ended up just staying in like a hotel that's closer to the airport. But then I was too excited to sleep last night. And then I was like, it's fine. I'll sleep on the plane. So then I got on the plane and I bought a little eye mask from boots.

And I put my eye mask on and I put the pillow like just up against the chair. And I went into like the nice. just like car sleep. Like, you know, when it's like that kind of really deep, like yours is straight into REM. Yeah. And I was having the best dream. Actually about a song.

It was a dream about a song. And I was like, really, I was like out of it. And then like the air hostess just like tapped me on the shoulder and said like, Madam, do you want some lunch? Obviously not. And I just said to her. Because obviously like I was sleeping with an eye mask, which is like a whole other thing we can get into in a second.

but like I had this eye muscle and I just was like I haven't slept with three days. I was like please just just leave me alone. So yeah it's kind of minor but that's not minor. See like that for me no. That's very minor. That's well that's minor for you but for me that would have upended my entire day. I would have complained about it for hours. Do you sleep hot or cold?

I can do either. Sometimes I love a fever sleep because I feel like it gets out all of my nightmares. Yes. I mean but I mean cold's obviously better for you and I, I, It's a more comfortable sleep, but sometimes when you're, like, feverish, you're like, fighting for your life. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You wake up, you're like, and like, you have sweat all over your body, and you're like,

what the fuck happened to me last night? Yeah. Wait, I didn't even think about that a fever sleep is sometimes really nice. I love nightmares sometimes. Okay, so I've been having a lot of nightmares recently, like really gnarly nightmares. It's like every night. But I think it was because I was smoking a lot of weed. and then so I've stopped, I'm like day 11, no weed, and like, because I was smoking like every

single day and it was just, it was like gnarly and I haven't really had nightmares since, but they were getting really bad. Do you have nightmares a lot? Yes, I've always, I wouldn't call them nightmares. I think I have very, like very vivid dreams, which are nightmares, but for me, I don't have always heard it since I was a kid, like very, very intense vivid dreams, but I just kind of like, I can control them a little bit and sometimes I wake up and I think now I'm going to get back in that dream. I'm going to get that pink elephant. You know? Oh, you're like a lucid dreamer. Yeah. So I kind of go back in. I think, no, that is not going to get the better of me. I'm going to go back in. Wow. Did you have to like train yourself to do that? I think I've always been able to do that. That's sick. Yeah. That's sick. What are you like inspired by right now? Like what have

you been listening to? What are you inspired by? What, yeah, what inspired you sexual? Like, you know, like, what art were you listening to while making the album? And what are you listening to today? Good question. I think, I mean, really like going to techno clubs inspired you sexual. I've never really like understood techno. Okay. Like growing up I never was like, oh, this is what I need to. Same.

Yeah. Can you imagine me in a techno club? But now I can. No, you cannot. Me in a techno club? Yeah, you should come to one of my youth sexual raves. Wait, should I? Yeah.

When is the next? There'll be one soon. I'm having, I had one in L.A. only a few weeks ago. I'm not kidding I'm actually down but it's like a proper rave though it's not like a no I know yeah you know yeah yeah like a no yeah I know I'm picking up what you're putting down okay yeah yeah it's like a proper it's like a proper rape yeah yeah it's you should come I used to think it wasn't for me but now now it saved my life so I really what do you mean it saved your life well because techno is like very primal it's like these beats and they're so primal and

I mean that's what I wrote rumor fools about uh this rumor fools we make something together with open wounds or bleeding out the pressure because I think wow it's so funny when you see people dancing and they're by themselves and they're doing these like movements and you think wow like you look like a fool right and then you like put it in context of everyone moving together and you think wow this is possibly the most important thing

that's ever happened in the human race and I'm here witnessing it right now in this very second because everyone's there together just getting like something out of them that's beautiful Wait. I love that because I'm always so, the reason I'm like, I feel like I wouldn't do well at a rave is because I'm so cautious of how I'm being perceived at all times. And like I've never let myself like loose dancing in public ever. Or like, but is there like kind of like a mutual respect at these raves that you kind of like let everyone just dance and do their thing? Because I'm so scared of being judged at all times. Yeah.

It is like that. It's like, when you go to a really good Technine club, I would describe it as, it's like, okay, you know,

I don't surf because I don't know, but, but you know when people talk about surf etiquette, like the way that people take the waves? I don't really know, but basically there's a whole etiquette

to when you go and take a wave and like who goes first. And if there's a really big wave, then you allow someone who can go and really body that to go and do it. I don't know, but there's an etiquette. Right.

Of like a good kind of surf spot. But you know what I'm, talking about. Yeah. Good, I'm not making out. Just imagined this rule book. So there's this etiquette of how to surf, but there's an etiquette of how to rape. It's like there's in like a really good mosh pit. There's an etiquette. You know, like moshing is like a technical, like scientific thing of people that have been going to mosh pits for many years and there's like an element of protection in them so no one gets hurt. Oh, interesting. I was always wondering how people didn't get hurt in those things.

Yeah, because when it's done properly, it's like, it's a culture. It's not just like a frivolous, like, rage. It's a culture or something which is, like, really important that people have set the rules to keep everyone safe for a very long time. And that is like, when you go to a techno club, it's like one of the rules is you do not judge people. And you can dance really close to people. Now one's going to bump into you. Actually, no one's really even going to come on to you unless you want that, you know. and it's a very,

it's a very, like, open and, uh, important place, you know, for humans to go and get out, what they need to get out from this, just for weeks.

But yeah, I'll take you out to a good way. I really want to go with you. Yeah. I really want to go with you. Wait, because I, I watched this show,

um, called industry and they, you watch industry? How fucking good. And they go, and they go, to this rave in um i think they're in like berlin or something and i was like wait that actually looks really fun so i've been very curious about it ever since then because i always thought like oh that's

not for me that's not for me that's not for me but i would die to go to a rape with you no it is so for everyone wait so when did you start going to like like because you said it what you didn't think it was for you for the longest time but sorry i'm like harping on this i'm so fascinated um probably like probably three years ago, four years ago. It was like a post-pandemic thing. Yeah, post-pandemic. Yeah. But it saved my life.

Wow. Yeah, it actually really did because I think it made me realize that I could be in, like, harsh environments. It's given me, like, a lot of confidence. Wow. Because I think, like, you know, I've gone through a lot of stuff in my life, and I think I just got to a point where I felt like, so, like, like, everything all the time, like, so much anxiety, like, so much kind of, like, needing to be super careful, like,

this thing of always being so careful. And then it was when I was in Prague and I went to a rave and I thought like, I've got myself. Like I don't need to be careful anymore. Like I'm here. I'm safe. I'm present. This is amazing.

I'm sexy. I'm hot. I'm young. I can like, I'm an artist. I can like control my life. I'm like back in control again. And it was in those environments.

And the more I went, the more that feeling started to grow. Like I got more confidence. I became sexier. I became like younger, hotter, more fam. Holy shit. Yeah. I got to go to a rave. I got to go to a rave.

Because nobody judges you there. It doesn't matter. I think I am so used to environments where everyone is judging all the time that I can't even imagine what that's like. You can't really like perceive anyone in a rave because you're too busy worrying about like how to get into the music. Wait, so you're saying you've said you're doing these usexual raves. Can you tell me about those? My first one was in London, and then we've taken it to New York and L.A.,

and we've got some really special raves planned the week of the album release. But it's, I guess, bring, like, the youth sexual culture into an environment where people can come and be themselves, and I set like a very loose kind of, not a dress code, but like a kind of, it's not a dress code it's like a visual like place to turn up in but not like an aesthetic but like a kind of like almost like an energetic place to turn up with this energy so we speak a lot about rebirth and scorched soil and you go and uh i'll send you some videos it's kind of hard to explain it's just it's amazing it's free you dance it's it's It's not about you sexual, like, as a brand or like a marketing experience. It's not about that.

It's just about being able to facilitate a space for people to have an amazing time in and discover things about themselves or to find a sense of community, to find a sense of belonging, a chosen family, a fab space to be. Wow, that's awesome. Do you play the Usexual album at these raves among other music? or? I mean, I'll go up and, like,

do a little shimmy into a song or two, but it's not a performance. It's more just like a hello. Just to let everybody know that I'm there and I'm with them, but it's not like a cool performance. It's not like, yousexual, a youth sexual rave is not about me. It's about like, everybody.

100%. Are you planning on touring Usexuala? Are you excited about that? Yeah. Yeah, I'm excited. I love performing, although I don't do it a lot, but I do love it. When's the last time you were on?

tour. 2019. Wow. So pre-pandemic. Yeah. So are you, is there, is there anything you're looking forward to, I guess that was what, six years ago now? That's so crazy.

Is there anything you're looking forward to with touring? On the flip side, is there anything that you are like kind of dreading? I love pushing my skill set and performing live is a really amazing place to do that. being able to pull the different dance skills that I've learned together so like vogueing and pole dancing and Ruchu and all even singing styles, opera or

like more rapping. It's a place where everything can shove into one thing. Right. Which is really exciting. The only thing is I just sometimes miss my dogs so much. You have dogs? Yeah, I've got two dogs. That's the only thing like I just miss my dogs so much when I'm away from that. You can't bring them on tour? If you take a bus, do you take a bus? Not on this first one, I don't think so, but I could maybe one day, but they're just, they need routine.

They're Brussels Griffins, they're quite highly strong. Okay. Not like behavioral issues, but they're quite a stubborn breed. They're just best to stay in their routine, else they get a bit like. Right, right. You know, Brussels Griffins, like flat face jaw, like. Can I see a photo? Yeah.

I would love to see a photo if that's okay. Yeah, of course. I love nothing more than like showing pictures of my dogs to people. Wait, I must be a raveer. Like, I'm dead serious. Like, this sounds like my dream. Really, come. And it's so funny because, like, everyone will be like Jake.

Like, I, because I'm like, you, knowing will ever be able to imagine me in a rave. Like, right? She's shaking her head. Like, no. They're at doggy camp at the moment from the way, but that's one. Oh! They look stubborn. Yeah, they're really...

They're honestly, like, so grumpy. They've made a friend. This is the other one on us. Oh, they're all stubborn together. Yeah, they're always fuming. Honestly, they're the... I don't know. I don't want to...

I feel like always really cheesy talking about them. But I mean, look at that face. I don't know who that lady is hugging him. He's like, get off of them. He's like, stop touching me. Are they brothers, these dogs? No, they're not. They're not.

They're like brother and sister in spirit. it. Honestly hilarious. I mean, look at that. What even is that? He looks so, like, happy and unhappy at the same time. Yeah. Oh, my God.

She's got Chicken Girl. Her name is Chicken Girl? Yeah. And then what's the, what's her brother's name? Bam Bam. Bam. Yeah, but I'm starting to learn French. I've been calling Chicken Girl now Puele-Fiel.

That's fucking chic. I know, Poulete feel. That's chic. Have you ever lived in France? No, but I just really want to speak French. Do you speak any other language? other than English? Neither do I.

I can't. I try. I can't learn. Yeah. I feel like I could learn. It's just time, isn't it? Yeah. And to not scroll and to do something productive.

Do you scroll a lot? I can do. I'm trying not to. But this is kind of what Usexia is about, actually. It's really, actually made like an 11-step somatic healing program to go with U-Sexua. I was about to ask.

You brought up the 11 corners of U-Sexua. what do you mean by that so i made like i i studied somatic healing movements semitic healing is somatic healing or like okay so i i got into um learning about the polyvigal nerve which is kind of like your it's like a nerve that runs from your head all the way down your body and um it can become out of tune with itself and then if it becomes out of tune it means that you experience stress and anxiety at a higher rate than, or that you're dysregulated. So I started to discover the way that through moving your body,

you can retune your polyvagal nerve so that you experience stress in more of a measured and realistic amount rather than it spiraling. Okay. Wow. And how do you, I know this might not be such a, just a simple question, but how do you do that through these 11 steps? There's two different things. I guess we're polyvagal nerve.

There's things that can retune it, like humming, cold showers, massage, shaking. But then I started to really learn about where trauma is held in the body and where stress is held in the body. And I discovered there's a lot of like shaking and bouncing and repetitive movements that can release the stress. So basically you just release trauma from your body and you feel more regulated. as a human. And so I came up with 11 aspects of life

that I feel can be quite stressful. It goes back to, you know, the office in the beginning. At the beginning of drums of death, there is an office which I call Croncorp. Okay. And so if you look, there's little Easter eggs of Cron corne corp within the office. And croning is a word that I made up,

which is when you scroll mindlessly. But it's like beyond doom scrolling, because I think croning for me is when you start to, develop opinions and ideas that are not necessarily your own, but you don't know that they're fed to you from the algorithm. So you can't really tell like, oh, I'm suddenly following this political movement because of my algorithm or I'm suddenly identifying with this group of people because of my algorithm rather than real lived experience. I mean, we've all had friends, but you've kind of like lost to. A hundred percent. And it's like, and that makes sense with

the office setting because everyone's kind of moving in a pack. I'm following blindly. Exactly. So that's Cron Corp. Wow. So croning, like I came up with, I mean, I can show you. Please, please show me. Okay, so croning, it is, the movement would be what I call a presence wash.

Okay. Which is basically, it's kind of hard with the mic, but it's basically where you can, like, rub over your body with your hands. Like this, you rub over your body. And, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, let's do it. We're, we're croning. We're croning. No, we're croning. Okay.

I'm rolling out my sleeves. Like, that's fucking prone. Okay, so say, for example, if I had come to this lovely interview with you, you think it's lovely? It's gorgeous. I'm having a great time. It's truly fantastic. Oh, my.

So if I had come to this lovely interview with you, and I just posted a picture on my Instagram 10 minutes before. So say, I'm not feeling like this, by the way, but, and I haven't posted a picture. Okay. That'd be cool if you did. My label would think so, yeah. JK. JK., love you.

But so. if I was, I just posted a picture and I was thinking to myself like, oh, I actually really want to check and see how that picture's doing. That's not really honoring you or it's not really honoring this conversation that we're having. So what I could do is I could take my hands and I could just like this. But you wouldn't know what that means. Right. You know, because you could just do it at the table. So it's basically just reminding myself to be present while I'm with you.

And then if I was really getting the desire to look at my phone, then I could do. think of three things in the room to ground me. So I could think, and it could be like a sensory thing. So I'm noticing that you have like a really beautiful like flush in your cheeks. That's one thing. Thank you. It's okay. Another thing is the temperature in the room, it's not cold, but there's like a slight like

prickle to it. That's another thing. And I can hear the air conditioning as well. So there's three things and that's a real life memory. It's just a real life snapshot. So I'm thinking of the flush in your cheeks. I'm thinking of the prickle in the air. I'm thinking of the air conditioning humming.

And that's grounding me in the real life. all of a sudden I'm here present with you back in the room. There you go. And I'm not thinking about my device essentially. So that's level one. That's something that you can do almost as a cue to yourself that no one else can tell. But then level two is in the morning. If one felt like they had an issue with technology, laptops, phones, all these things. Then you could do a full body presence watch, which is basically where you rub over the whole of your body with your hands. You can do it to like music or no music and you rub over the whole of your body for 11 minutes.

Wow. In the morning and then you carry that sensation with you through the rest of the day so that when you rub your hand, you're really thinking, no, like I'm working on this. But there's 11 different ones. Like, you know, one, for example, is around intake, the things that you're consuming, whether that is food. It could be products that you're using. It could be words that you're choosing to take in. It could be, you know, so that's intake. I've come up with 11 of them basically.

I won't take you through more. I would love you too, but I won't. I won't force you. Are you, so is there something with the number 11 that you feel like compelled, like, or drawn to? Honestly, it just kind of, it just came to me. I don't know. There's not really like a reason for the number 11. There's not actually a reason, to be honest with you.

It just felt white. Yeah. It just felt right. Wow. And how did you come up with the word cronane? in the same way that you came up with you, sexual, it just kind of came to you? Yeah, well, Kroning's that you know,

Kronenberg, the director. Yes. No. Sorry, I got excited and I lied. I don't know who that is. That's okay. Okay. So, Cronenberg is a really cool director,

and he, in his films, they're quite like sci-fi, and he has a lot of devices that are attached to people's flesh in his film. So he has, like, these cords that get, like, injected into people's spines or these kind of weird, like, gaming devices, which are made out of flesh that you kind of can become one with.

And so it's kind of a, I guess, an ode to his films and the way that he often merged, like, humans and technology together to sort of create a bigger, like, political point, I guess, about where we were at the time. Right. With technology. Wow.

His films are older. What are some of his films? Oh my gosh, don't put me on the spot. Sorry. My mind's gone blank, but I'll give you a good list. Okay, yeah, I would love to see that. That's fascinating. So, yeah, croning is like a, you have like a whole you sexual dictionary.

Yeah, there is. There is? Yeah. Oh. Well, there's 12 words, I guess I've made up. Keychaining is a good one. Keychain in. What is keychain in?

Imagine you have, if you've had like too many keys on your keychain, right. And it's really annoying. So you can't put it in your pocket and you can't put it in your bag. them just like uh yeah yeah with these like big keys but then if you look at the keys you think okay well i don't need like my bike shed keys on there and i don't need like my mom's spare keys for the thing on there so you know you could take keys off your keychain and perhaps you'd only have four keys there and then it would fit in your pocket and it's easier to manage and you're not going to

be paranoid about losing things that's the way that i feel about friends and people so if you have so many people on your keychain it's really hard to keep track of what all the different keys are for and you can't fit it in your pocket and you're constantly worried about losing your keys. If you just take them off with love and then you just have four keys on your keychain or five or however many you can manage to fit in your pocket, for me it would mean that I'm just more capable of handling the people in my life. And so it goes farther than that, say, someone's doing your head in and they're not on your keychain, it just doesn't really matter.

Right. Because maybe the people on your keychain are like your mom, your sister, your, you're, we friend and your best friend. Right. You know, and everyone outside of that, it's like with love, but you don't have to necessarily, like, ingest or have such an energetic exchange of them. Wow.

I need that. I think I spread myself too thin sometimes. Wait, I'm sorry. I'm really harping on these words, but I'm so fascinated. Can you tell me some other words? Really? You really want me to go into this?

Yes, I do. I love it. Have you ever seen me this attentive? Okay. What's another one? Okay, oh, another one is mind state. Mind state. Yeah.

So mind state is, if you ever had something in your personality where you're like, oh, I just really need to fix that. Yeah. And it just keeps on coming up. And you're just like, why do I keep on reacting that way or why do I keep on having this thing? Yes. Well, if you go into a period of mind state, it means that you're actively going to take some time out just to work on that thing. So that could be an hour or it could be a weekend or it could be a week or a holiday where you think I'm going to work out.

why I get so angry when I'm waiting in a queue, for example. And so you go into mind state. So someone would be like, can I hang out with you on Saturday evening? And you can be like, I'm not free. I'm in mind state. Wow. Because you're just taking time to yourself just to like work on something alone, just to think about something alone to, you know, iron it out a little bit.

All these terms are like very healing, I feel like. Do you feel like you sexual as an album is like a huge? healing album? I don't want people to think of usexual healing in the way where it's in any way like wet or hippie or um because it's not it's really hard and it's really confrontational and at times it's very punk and expressive and raw. So the healing word yes but at the same time it for me it's yeah healing but usexual is really about metal and the city and concrete and much harder ways of expressing yourself. I think I've really struggled with the word healing because I think of a really

cute girl with like really nice abs wearing like pink sort of like yoga leggings and like waving like Paula Santa around and I personally just don't relate to that. Okay. You know? Because I'm from the underground like quite literally like I clawed my way up from Croydon College. you know, you don't know where Croydon is, but if you're, I don't know where Croydon is.

I mean, like, I, like, went to Croydon Croydon Cores. I've, like, clawed my way up from, like, the city, and I made it coming from London, which is, like, a very harsh environment. And maybe people, if they're from, like, New York or cities or even just, like, harsher home environments can relate to this. Like, healing doesn't, for me, have to be this sort of, like, really pleasant thing. Uh-huh. You know, it's not, it doesn't have to be pleasant.

And it doesn't have to be plastic. It doesn't have to be in pastel colors. It can be, healing can be made out of metal and concrete. And healing can be to, like, thunderous drums, and healing can be to autotune. And healing can be to loud noises and vast spaces and deafening silences. And it can be full of rooms with crowded people with amazing makeup on.

Right. Healing can be queer and it can be bizarre. it can be ugly it doesn't have to be you don't have to wear your good thing right so like although you can yeah if that if they're cute so you feel like like healing is kind of like the word is kind of like become this more so like aesthetic that it's not like a feeling anymore like what it's not like authentic to what the word actually means a little a little bit yeah but then that's not me like putting like healing down i think that everything's become it an aesthetic.

Yeah. Culture, subcultures are now an aesthetic. Right. You know, let's do goth makeup for a day. Right. You know, which is fine. That's absolutely 100% fine, but I'm at a point where, like, I just need to latch

onto something. Like, I've been at a point where I'm, like, fighting for my life, like, give me something just to fucking hold on to. Right. Like, God, give me something to hold on to, you know? and like a one day makeup tutorial is not going to

fucking cut it for me this time. You know what I mean? I need something real. I need something tangible. I need something lasting. I need something that's got roots. Right. Do you feel like you've found that?

Yeah. Yeah, definitely. But I always find that. I sniff it out. I'm like a little truffle pig. I had no idea what a truffle pig was until the other day. They're cute.

They're cute and they find truffles. Yeah, they do. but that's what that's what culture is to me you just you have to like be in the right place at the right time and it's rare when you sniff it out wow you have to be on the ground you can't be like scrolling on your phone it's not something croning you can't be croning yeah you have to be there in real life and experience something and build something be a part of something start something yeah it's like i'm being really intense no i'm like in my mind i thought it's like a cute like No, this is like maybe also to your point, like the word healing, this is whatever you make it to be.

This can be, I guess the idea is like therapy, therapist, like it's anything you want it to be. I like that. Okay, so we are doing a rave marking on me now. Yeah. Okay, and this is, and this is like. Well, when I was in Big Surin, we all lost our minds. Yeah. to gain ideas back my lovely Tilda

were you in big sir with her I was yeah we can only like perch on the edge yeah perfect oh my god I'm so excited Tild always just caught out literally get caught up no sleep it's fine you guys are like we've had no sleep you both look amazing

she was about isn't it this is what she said on my sleep that's it that's how it Yeah, he's got to be ready at any time. Yeah. Okay, so what sort of marking would you like? I think maybe like an idea. I want you to decide.

I think like an idea. Oh, okay. Okay. How are you feeling? How am I feeling today? Yeah, I'm more sure. This morning I was really anxious. I, I'm always anxious.

I woke up like really, really anxious. Like, I canceled my workout. Like, I canceled everything in the morning just because I had a really hard time falling asleep last night. throughout the day I've felt better and now I feel really good and really present

and really happy to be here so that's what I'm feeling right now oh my God I think what we're thinking I think like some sort of like inspiration sort of thing well what do you think

I guess if your present maybe like I don't know this is a bit random but you could put your you could just like move your head and just like around the like just do a little how you see what happened

okay yeah Okay, wow. Should it have been the camera or? Yeah, this is going to, really? You want me just move my head? Oh, why? I know, I think you can. Woo!

Wow! It's actually good. That's cool, and I could see myself at, like, a rave, like, dancing with this on. Yeah. Okay. No, that's good because it started in a very, like, spontaneous way. Do you want me do it again? No, that's okay.

Oh. No, now keep very stiff. Now I'll keep very, very stuff. This is so fucking awesome. Yeah. Yeah, that's it. I think that's what you need. Yes.

No, I think that's what you need. Thank you so much. Thank you. Yeah. Oh my God. I'm so excited. Now you can come to you sexual array. Thank you.

You're so happy. Oh, you're the best. Oh my God. I feel like I'm so insecure. So I feel like I never wear tank tops. But I feel like if I went to a sexual rave, I would wear a tank top. No, you would. But this is like the marking.

It's like the marking of your power. I'm upset. Yeah. But you made that because you moved and that was how it's supposed to be. That's how it feels too. Feels very authentic to me. Primal. Yes. Primal. What is so funny? It's just like I'm loving that you're having this like reaction. Yeah. I feel like, do you feel like when people listen to the album like they're going to you like have an like an awakening of sorts? I mean, I don't know because I'm not in people when they listen to the album. But I've, had an awakening. Yeah.

And that's my truth. So hopefully someone else will feel that. I think they will. But there's just so many moments which are so true to me about being present, that even at the end of you, sex, you're like, I say people always told me that I take my love too far,

but refuse to help me. I was on the edge of something greater than before, but nobody told me. Like, you're not being present. Like, you're on the edge of something so great. Like with your podcast and everything you're doing and all these people that you're talking. Like, you're on the edge of something greater than anything you've done before. But, like, nobody tells you so you don't realize, but you have to tell yourself.

And that's where I've been so many times in my career. Like, I'm standing on the edge of a stage performing to, like, tens of thousands of people. And, like, I'm there. And it's just, like, somebody forgot to tell me, like, Twigs, this is now. Like, you're doing it right now. And that thing you wanted to do, you're doing it right now. And nobody told me, so then I just say, don't realize it. Because you're so in your head.

Yeah. exactly that's really beautiful that's really beautiful wow you sexua is a lot about being present as well it's about being present as well being yourself wow but in a pure way and also kind of like it's about being yourself in a pure way and also in a country way too because like the both two things can exist at the same time it's a duality like this is what I'm saying you don't have to be like I don't know. For me anyway, like to win and be successful and to be like fab and to be country, I don't have to shut myself off from actually how I'm feeling.

Like I can be fragile and vulnerable at the same time. The both the two things can exist. Yeah. For me. No, I, I 100% agree. I feel like I've had an awakening. No. I swear to God.

Like I feel present. I'm not even kidding. Like, I feel like, like, incredible. That's so good That makes me so happy I feel incredible And I'm really really Really excited to hear the album

Because I really I love everything you've put out so far with it Thank you Okay should we get into the Yeah let's do it What is it? Your marking Your sexual marking

Your scorched soil marking And that's a song on the album as well right No scorched soil It's something It kind of comes up a lot of the raves Oh okay got it got It's like rave law

Oh okay What does it mean Sorry I feel like I keep getting so distracted. No, it's kind of like this like Phoenix from the ashes rebirth, like nude silver stiletto, tribal stump, unerthing

of her vibe. Yeah. Giving. Given. I just moved into a new apartment. Oh, and I do have a good prescription for this pussy. A prescription is like when we

well, I don't know, it's whatever you want it to be. but I like to give them usually a piece of media to digest that would make them feel better. So like the movie How to Be Single, I think is a really good one for that. Okay. Oh, okay. Okay. If you have one.

You don't need to have one, but if you do have one. For that one that I just did. I say like prescription, like learn to play the violin. Okay. Or the harp. Like spread your legs Get a harp between your legs Browless

And just like strum away And just like feel yourself I say prescription harp Okay Yeah Yeah Like maiden I'm pitching like wind machine

Ooh I love a wind machine Okay I'm gonna go deeper prescription Fan Yes Spread legged Like brailess like maiden Sheer dress Let your heart

hair down and like play the hot. That's really cunty. Yeah. Film it. Okay. Okay. Like the internet. Okay.

I kind of want to do this. Can you imagine me? I just moved into a new apartment with two random roommates and got drunk with one of them the other night and she told me she's been hooking up. She's been hooking up with the other roommate's boyfriend for months and didn't even know he had a girlfriend. Okay. I'm lost.

Okay. No, no. I know. Because like when I, someone read that to me, also be lost, but like, let me visualize it. Person moves in with two people. So person A moves in with person B and person C. Yeah.

Person B got drunk with person A and is like, wait, I have to tell. I'm already lost. Okay, okay. So. Person A moved in with person B and person C. Let's, okay, let's say you, me, and you all move into an apartment together. We don't know each other. None of us know each other.

And you and I get drunk one night. And I'm like, wait, I have. have to tell you something. I've been hooking up with his significant other. I had no idea that they had they had a partner, but they do. And now I live with them. Like, that's how crazy that is. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, that's crazy. Okay. So now I have to say what the prescription is. Well, they're like, I don't know what to do with this info. Like, I'm concerned that if I drink, I won't be able to keep my lips sealed. Like, my advice is to stay as far away from this mess as you can. Okay. My, my, My prescription would be like to watch Annie Hathaway's Oscar winning speech.

Okay. Because it's so all-consuming that you'll just forget about everything. Just forget about it. Yeah. I remember that speech. You see what I mean? Now you're not even worried about that. You're just thinking about the speech.

Problem solved. I'm a total pushover and I put people's needs before. mine all the time. How do I gain confidence to stand up for myself without being mean and destroying the piece? That's a really hard one. I don't know what would you say. I'd say it's okay to destroy the piece if it protects yours. Just blow it up. Yeah, I think it's okay to blow things up sometimes. Okay. Just like move to a whole different place. Uh-huh. Like cut your hair and dye a completely different color and just become a whole new person and just like try it out for a couple of months. of just like, do you know what I mean?

Just invent a new version of you. Right. Just be a new version for like a couple of months and just see like, you know, it's almost like, it's like the U-Sexual video. Yeah, yeah. So far the other way and you just take like a little bit of that and then just like bring it back into your life. Bring like the remnants of it back into your life.

I'm making any sense. Completely. Completely. Completely. Yeah, so just try going really far the other way, see how it feels and then just take like a little bit of that like back into. Right. And I'm not even just saying this, but I,

would now prescribe yousexual and the music video for it as inspiration. Really? Really? Yeah. That's cute. Yeah. Well, it's true. My boyfriend of almost three years has not introduced me to his parents yet.

Every time I bring it up or mention that I want to meet them, he just shrugs it off and we end up in a fight. I love him so much, but this is causing me so much stress. Please help. I would have like an honest conversation. And I understand, if it causes a fight, maybe that's like a deeper issue in the relationship. But I will also say that some people, not every family is going to look the same. You know what I mean? That's what I was going to say.

Not every family is going to look the same. And like what family means to you might not be what family means to me. And I think that there does need to be like a sort of grace for that, especially in relationships. Yeah, exactly. Like some people just have like parents that are just more tricky than others. And so it might not be about you. It might be about them. Right.

Yeah, that is that is kind of like a tough one. Yeah, family's tough. I don't know what I would prescribe. I would prescribe maybe. Meet the fuckers. I've never seen Meet the Fuckers. Yeah, like just to see why you might not want to meet someone's family. Right.

Or what's that one movie about, uh, the mother-in-law, like, and she, is it like Jennifer Lopez or something? And they, like, hate each other. Do you guys know what I'm talking about? Oh, what about, what's the one with, like, the girl that the family? Monster-in-law. Sorry. No, what's the one with, like, where the girl and she, they play this family game

where they basically kill, they play this game and then you have to, like, hide and, hide and seek? Oh, oh, oh, yes. And then they, like, you like, run around. the castle and then like... Not knives out, but... Not knives out, but you run around the castle and you have to hide and then the family have to hunt you. What is that called?

I don't know. I must figure it out right now. I think of hide and see. Go hide and go see. I know exactly what you're talking about. I know exactly what you're talking about. But that film. Yes.

Me and my best friend of 10 years made out at a gay club the other night and now I don't know if we should play it safe and forget about it or see if this could go somewhere. Some of my favorite people ever, but I don't know what to do. I think it's important to like address it instead of run from it. As hard as that may be. I think it's good out in the open. Yeah.

But that is hard. I'm like the least confrontational person when it comes to that. But I, but like I understand. The movie's called Ready or Not, by the way. Ready or Not? Ready or not. Yes.

For hide and seek. Yes. I met this guy from London at a party last night. We really hit it off. We hooked up if you know what I mean. It was life changing. Anyways, he literally asked me to marry him at the end of the night, and honestly, I am considering it. The catch is he leaves for good in two weeks to go back to London.

What do I do? Stay away. Stay away? Too quick, yeah. Too quick. Yeah, run for your life. Okay. Scream.

Prescription. Scream. Yeah. Jake, an amazing, incredible, fabulous special guest. You. You talked about having anxiety, and I was just interested to know how you deal with your anxiety because I too struggle with my own anxiety sometimes. I don't know.

I stretch a lot actually. Yeah, I stretch a lot. Like, I go into like hyperstress. The thing is the reason I hyperfocus on things a lot. Yeah, me too. Yeah. I get really hyper fixated on things. Yeah, me too.

So I try to like get hyperfixated and something else. I don't know if that is actually even healthy. No, I mean, I do the same with like a TV show. When I'm really anxious, like I throw myself into a TV show and like a bingeable one. and so I can hyper fixate on that world and forget about my anxiety. Or watch Anne Hathaway's Oscar speech and you will forget about everything. Because it's so fab, you just have to watch it again and again and again. Exactly.

What did she win for? Limmers. Period. Fab. Can I call you Twigs? Okay. Well, where are you going to call me? I was going to say FKA Twigs, but then I realized that that might, I don't know.

It's like the full name. Yeah, yeah. Twigs. What did we learn today? I learned about cronine and I learned about key chaining and I learned about what is the head, what the space? Like the scorched soil like markings. Or the one where you, what's the word where you mind state?

Mind state. And I learned about you sexual. And I learned about that I really want to go to a rave. Yeah. And I'm going to. Yeah. No, seriously, I will take you out. and you might have a little date as well.

Oh, yes, I also learned that I'm going to have a date. Actually, the guy that I want to put you on a date with is coming to L.A. When? Like, in a week. I will be here. Oh, my God, that's going to be so cute. Can I come? Can I crash? Yeah, obviously.

Yes. I actually think it could be such, I mean, the very, someone said to me the very least, you know, someone put me on a blind date, so at the very least you'll be friends. I feel like you'd be good friends. Okay, I love that. I will say that, um, about six years ago I was having piano lessons and I'd had like one or two lessons with this piano teacher and I said you have to meet one of my oldest best friends I was like I feel like you're going to get along so well so I just put them on a group text and I just said at the very least you'll be good friends they're still together no oh so you have a good track record with your matchmaking skills yeah yeah I do okay so I'm so happy we met because I am in desperate need of a boyfriend I you're not in desperate need of a boyfriend I

Are you killing it? Like, you don't need to be, like, in desperate need. Like, you don't need to. I know. You're killing it. Like, you're doing amazing. Like, you're smashing it. Like, yeah.

Yes, you are. You're killing it, babe. So you just need to be, like, just kind of own it. You know, and just be so confident in yourself, like, alone. Like, you've got this. It's hot. It's sexy. I think that's why when you brought up the rave and, like, how, like, not even kidding,

like how it's, like, a judgment-free zone and whatever. Like, I think that's why I really. gravitated towards that conversation and really wanted to go because like I am so judgey like I judge myself a lot I just I'm just very conscious of how I'm perceived and I perceive others and I just to be in a space where all of that doesn't exist for a minute like I think it would really help my mental health yeah yeah it really does a place where it's like really hard but it's not in any way like mean or catty right but it's hard yeah you know it's roaring it's hard but it's not like there's no sort of mean girl clicky energy to it.

It's just kind of, it just is. You know, I feel like that's what I'm, that's what I'm kind of manifesting for myself and like for anyone who enjoys you sexual is, is just to be, like the things just are, that it just is. Right. You know, and it's a way that it is and it is and we're fine with it. And we're exploring, we're just exploring like our,

we're in a walkings, you know, the saying the only way out is in. Like that. Ah. Hmm. Well, on that note, Twigs, thank you literally so much for stopping by the therapist office. I had an incredible, literally life-changing time. Wow. Thank you.

Thank you for having me. Yeah. Do you want to say a little, bye pussies? Bye pussies. Yeah. He's slaying it and he's shook. It's therapist, there a bus, there a bus, there a bus.