Therapuss with Jake Shane - Session 77: Addison Rae

Episode Date: June 12, 2025

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Hi Pussies. Welcome back to Therapus. Our next guest needs absolutely no introduction. I am so pleased, honored and excited to talk to the queen Addison Ray today. Hey! I was actually watching your last few episodes and I was like, oh my gosh, I wonder what he's going to say for my intro and that was really sweet. Wait, I was so, I was thinking about your intro all morning. I was like, no introduction. and I was going to list off your singles. But then I was like, that contradicts the no introduction. Right, right, right. And I was like, we can get into those later. I'm so excited for you.

Thank you. You've had the most incredible year. Thank you. Are you like? It's been pretty crazy. What, like, what's it? Because I remember, I feel like I saw you, um, that night you released Diet Pepsi. And I feel like just from then, it's been like, whoa, yeah.

That was a crazy night. You were literally at the event. It was you and Lexi and you were watching. the premiere and you were so anxious. And then I remember listening to it that entire weekend at the Jersey Shore. And I was like, this is where it's meant to be listened to. I feel like I definitely watched those TikToks of you at the Jersey. Yeah, I was like eating ice cream.

Wait, because then you posted that ice cream TikTok. Yes, yes. Yeah, that was a crazy night. I wasn't, I don't know, I kind of am in the type of person to prefer that when something comes out that's like requiring a lot of attention from me or like to me, I like to do something else. And so that was kind of why we were like, let's just go to this really fun event. I don't know,

and do something that's like a little bit more distracting than just, you know, anticipating the release of it all. And it like literally took off. Did you expect Diet Pepsi to take off the way it did? I don't know that I really had any real expectations for it, but I did know that it was a really special song. Whenever I wrote the song with Luke and Alvira, we were in the studio and it was like the first time we met

and I mean our session was like about to end and sometimes like in sessions you're like I don't know it's with anything really it's like are we going to make something that we like or are we never going to speak to each other again you know and then towards the end of the session the song just really magically happened like Luca started playing the piano

and we were kind of all just like humming different little melodies and then we found this one little section And the last line of the hook, losing on my innocence. And then we were like, oh, my God, wait, that is literally so good. And we were like, okay, let's keep going. And then the next day we finished the song, and we were just like, there's something really magical here. And that kind of kick started everything.

But I think my expectations were pretty low in terms of like people getting or understanding it. Because sometimes when you put too much of an emphasis on the response, it ends up just never matching that anyways, you know? So I tried to go into it pretty chill. I feel like that's the best way. I feel like I experience that all the time where it's like I put all my excitement towards like one thing. And then it never ends up being what you want it to be.

Yes. And then it's like, well, it's over now. What do I do? Yes. And then it's like a crisis. Yeah. It's like the biggest internal crisis. Wait, so Elvira, did she do the entire album?

Yeah, I did the whole album with Lucan Elvira. And what was that like? It was really great. I didn't know initially that I wanted to make the entire album with the same people. Because, you know, with my EP and other music that I've made, it's kind of been like sessions and sessions and sessions until I'm so noisy right now. Wait, I'm obsessed. It's really common for me.

It's really common for me. It's kind of nice. Yeah, I don't know. When I made other music and had done other sessions before, it never made full sense to just stay in the same room because it kind of felt sometimes like too stale. If you'd like stay in the same room with the same people for too long, you're like, all right, I don't know what else I could say with you.

I said it all. And I don't know, I'm an overshare, so I kind of get through it really quick and go in really hard. And then after we made Diet Pepsi, we were like, I don't know, it feels like something really special is happening here. And, you know, having a room of all girls, something that I never experienced before because I'd never really worked with female producers like that. I think that's what makes your, I was actually just talking about this. I think that's what makes your music so special is that it's like literally made by all women. And it's like the coolest thing ever because like women get pop. You know what I mean?

And also just totally understand each other in a way that, you know, you can't always get there or feel understood. I don't know. It felt like it just made sense. And when it was happening, and, you know, Elvier is from Sweden and Lucas from L.A., but super international. And I don't know. It's like they understood such separate perspectives as me, but also something so synonymous throughout all of us. Right. It just really, I don't know.

It feels really special. It is really special. And you should be super fucking proud of yourself. I'm like so fucking excited to just for it to soundtrack my entire summer. I can't wait for you to hear all of it. Me too. I'm dying for you to hear. I'll play you.

Please. Please. The teaser that I just had posted had the instrumental to a song, which is called New York, and it'll be out. But the song is called New York. Yeah. And it's the first track on the album. Uh-huh.

So it opens the album with New York. That is perfect. Are there any features on the album or is it all you? No. It's all me. It's all me. I don't know. felt like that was really important for me.

I think there was a lot of ideas from, you know, the label or people to explore having features or people collaborate. But I don't know. Like I said, it felt really intuitive and correct for it to just be me, Luca, Elvira, trapped in a room, making an album and finishing it. We only added one other person into rooms and her name was Tove and she's also a female. So the whole project is only women. That's amazing.

Really great. Obviously, besides, like, who mixes in masters. Right, right, right. But I actually don't know if any, and if I know any women that mix and master, but like, hey, maybe the next project. Now I'm getting, I love Randy and Serban. Shout out to them. Do you, how does this feel different than the EP?

Because I feel like the EP, like, do you, were you always planning on releasing that? Or was it, like, leaked? And everyone was like, release it, release it. And you were like, okay. Yeah, I was like, okay. No, yeah, I didn't plan on releasing it. I actually, after Obsessed came out, I kind of was like, I don't know, I was really trying to lock myself away.

I kept doing sessions and I kept writing and obviously that's how all the other songs that got leaked got leaked because all of those were sessions that I was having post-obsessed and maybe even some before obsessed. But yeah, I didn't want those to come out. They weren't done. And I don't know. I was not as confident in myself as a writer at that point. I wasn't really determined on writing aggressively.

I was writing and I was in all the sessions. I think I've only ever cut maybe like a handful of demos that I didn't have anything to do with. And I don't know, it felt not, it didn't feel like reflective enough of who I am. And I don't know. I really struggle with that, which I don't like that idea because I do think that you can cut a demo and it'd be amazing. I actually just saw Charlie talking about that the other day. She was like, if you're an artist that refuses to cut demos, like, you just because you can't sell it. And I'm like, wait.

I'm like, fuck, I need to be able to sell it. Wait, can I say? Yes. What does cut a demo mean? Okay, so like, let's say, I feel like, okay, so nothing on but the radio. That song is on my EP. So that song, I cut that song. We changed like a few lyrics that are like very minor.

But that song is like a song that I cut. So that song already existed, you know, and had like a demo vocal. Understood. Understood. A songwriter on it or in that case, Gaga had that song. And so that's kind of like what a demo is. So like someone could present you a song or be like, you know, hey, I really, we wrote this song the other day with no artist in the room. But we feel like this song would sound great in your voice.

So do you want to cut this song? And then sometimes it's like, yeah, I want to cut the song. And sometimes it's like, I'm offended that you thought I would cut this song. No, I'm kidding. I'm kidding. kidding. I try to have an open mind when it comes to listening to demos, but I am a little bit of a stickler because I think just simply because at this point in my life and career, I'm like really adamant on making sure that I'm involved with everything. So it feels really raw and authentic and real. And so I'm a little bit hesitant on cutting demos. But I do think when there's a good enough song, anybody, you know, should give it a shot and try and sell it. Right. And did you, you had your hand in writing the entire album? And what does your writing process look like? It depends. On this album, and aside from everything else that I've done, a lot of the stuff I did before this album,

I very much like, sorry, I'm like all over the place. Same. Save, don't worry. Don't worry, save. I'm like, wait. I need help. No, but with this album, I mean, it was just me looking over in every room alone, essentially. And then I would just come up with concepts,

write them in my notes. And there's this one song that we have called In the Rain. In that one, I had written down this lyric, like I only cry in the rain so that nobody could see it essentially was like this thing that I had written in my notes. And that's a very like emotional thing for me because I don't like being sad. And I really hate it actually. And I feel really vulnerable. And I almost feel like a responsibility when I'm sad.

And so this song was kind of a little bit of a nod to that in a way of just being like, you know, I'm only going to cry in the rain because I don't want people to have this power over me of like seeing me at a weak point. or feeling like someone could take advantage of that or, I don't know, just feeling like my sadness is like a burden on people. I feel really weird about that sometimes. Is that what you meant by when you said you felt like a responsibility when you were sad? Yeah. It's like I feel like, I don't know, I always get into my head about it sometimes about just being sad and how I feel like it makes people around you feel uncomfortable or like, I don't know, like people have to like cheer you up or try really hard to make you feel better. And I'm like, I don't like feeling like that because I always feel like it's a difficult situation to navigate. And I always struggle with people when they're sad because I'm just like, I don't know how to fix it.

And I'm such a fixer. Right. I feel like I get that. And it's like, do you ever feel like your audience doesn't want to see you sad? And like, does that give you anxiety? Right. And then you feel like, I don't want to be sad especially now. Right.

But I do think on this project, there is a few songs. There's another song called Times Like These. That's a little bit similar to the. the vein of headphones where it's very much like, you know, accepting the confusion of what happens in your life and kind of making that into something that you appreciate in a lot of ways. And I think that that's kind of what the album does in a lot of ways is like kind of twist these things on their head and say, you know, I'm not going to let that destroy me or like take over my life and I kind of like own the sadness of it all. But back to what I was saying about in the rain because

I am all over the place. But in the rain was just like something I wrote down in my notes. Like, or, you know, I have a little diary that I keep, but I struggle much more to write in a diary because sometimes I feel like, wait, what if somebody's going to see this? Right, right. But I'll write down in my phone notes sometimes, and I had written down that I only like to cry in the rain so that nobody notices. And then I went into the session with that concept to Lucan Overe, and I was like, all right, I want to write a song that, you know, includes this kind of subject. And so I actually think with that song in specific, Luca, maybe they did it together when I had left a session. because maybe I don't know, I went to dinner or something.

And I was like, guys, I got to go. But this is like over, you know, I think it was over 50 something sessions. We made the album. Oh, wow. Yeah. So in between that, you know, there'd be days when I was like, I got to go.

But that concept came up and I said it to them. Then I left. And then when I came back the next day to work, they were like, oh, we wrote this on piano, this melody. And it's the hook melody, which is like really gorgeous and beautiful. And it's very like Swedish vibes.

I don't know. Every time I would play that, song for people, they'd be like, oh, I can totally feel like the ace of bass in it. It feels very that. And yeah, that one was one that I like came in and then we wrote all the lyrics together, wrote the verse melody, wrote the pre melody, and then we used that hook that they had came in with, which was so beautiful over this, like these gorgeous chords on the piano. And that was just like one way that a song would come about.

But then for most of the rest of them, I mean, we started them from scratch in the room. We have actually some really great footage of us. We recorded on our MacBooks and we would just run it for hours on photo booth. And it would just be us like back and forth. I have like some funny videos of us just like sounding absolutely insane making these songs because we would just bounce back and forth. But it was such an intimate room that it really didn't matter how crazy we sounded until we landed upon the songs.

Do you have, was there like a song on the album that you were like, this song is never getting done and it was like so hard to finish? Oh. You know, for the most part. all of the songs when we started them, we wouldn't finish them if it wasn't going to be on the album. We didn't make very many songs for the album. So the album's 12 songs, and there's two interludes in that. And the interludes, one of the interludes actually came from like a session that we did in New York. And I loved this melody that I had made. And I was like, oh, and I love this

quote. I read this book or a title of a book. And I think it's clear water in a pool painted black. And that inspired me to write, which is one of the interlude titles, Life's No Fun Through Clear Waters. Because when I read that, I was like, what does that even mean? And then I was thinking to myself, it's just like life would not be interesting if everything was beautiful and perfect. And so I'd written that down and this melody came to me in the session and I was like, oh, this is it. And we like, you know, mess with it for a little bit that whole day in New York. And we were at Jungle City, I think is the studio that we were at. And we like came up with this and it was like really angelic and beautiful.

And then all of a sudden we were like, this is not going anywhere. Like we're not doing anything with this. And then I remember like I came back the next day or weeks later even and like Luke and Alvir like pitched it down like really low and like slowed it down and made it really distorted and weird. And then that ended up making the album. So I think like most of these songs either started and finished themselves in like a span of two to three days and maybe had tweaks like here and there. but for the most part we would almost like put away a song that didn't come magically right if it didn't feel like it was happening effortlessly we kind of like let it go which has kind of been something that I've been doing a lot lately which is sometimes sometimes not the right thing to do no but I actually think that's super beautiful because I think you can really feel it like the whole album kind of has this like ethereal like fairy like vibe that was kind of like it came to you and you like regurgitated it like here you go totally and so I actually think that really really really works in your favor and like it's like really like a present theme in the album even though i haven't heard it yet i i feel that from the album and i also feel that through the uh cover which is so

incredible when i saw that cover louise like when i saw that cover i actually my jaw hit the floor it was like you know like it was so so like noddies but so it was just perfect it was it's a really it's a perfect. It felt like a classic to me. Like that's what it felt like. And how did, did you, were there any other options for the cover?

Yeah. So I'll show you actually because I have a photo, um, of like the wall. Essentially, we did this photo shoot at the box in New York, which was really fun. And I love the box.

I love the box. I love the box. I don't care if anybody hates the box. I love the box. And like, I just love how dangerous it is and naughty and crazy. Oh, yeah.

But we, um, we shot the cover at the box and we did like kind of the whole album shoot there. which was just my dream. I had like a really fun night at the box and after that I was like, okay, I just need everything to exist

in the context of the box, you know? Yeah. But I really want to find this before. This is what it's like. Oh, whoa. So there was like, wait, that's when we were like, oh yeah, this is the cover. Yeah, that's the shot.

But there really wasn't like a clear winner. When we shot it, I'm like, anybody, anybody that's listening. No, when we shot it, there wasn't necessarily a goal in mind for the cover. Right. So we had done... Oh, whoa.

Here, you want to hold it. Yeah. You can, like, zoom in if you want. But when we shot it, there wasn't, like, a clear cover. We really didn't know what the cover was going to be. Oh, these are amazing. Oh, my God. You can make a fucking coffee table book out of these.

I know. I want to. I want to do a gallery. You should. But we were in between that and the one that we ended up choosing. But we were, like, pulling them out and, like, really figuring out what was going to make the most sense. I mean, we printed everything. Like, Ethan, we went to his gallery.

Right. It was like me, Lexi, and Justin and Joe at the gallery, just looking at all the printouts and, like, going one by one. And he printed out pretty much every photo. And we just, like, pinned them on the wall and we're like, all right, which one, like, speaks the album to us, you know? And that one is, I've been using pink a lot. That's been, like, a common theme.

Like with high fashion, it was a lot of pink. With the Alchmarine cover, it was more of a pink wash, even though it was still blue. And then DiPep Pepsi, obviously. it was like black and white and Pepsi colors. But still very pink. Like everything felt very pink. Right.

But then when we shot that cover and it had a wash of like multiple colors in it, it just made the most sense and kind of encapsulated the whole album in a way that I think the other photo, you know, was in black and white. It kind of just didn't give me enough. Didn't give me enough emotion when I looked at it. And I think the photo that we ended up going with feels very heavy in that way. it's like very reactional when you look at it and it feels magical. That's why I was, yeah,

it feels like ethereal and like I also think it was such a good move to go with color because the album is so colorful. It is. Every song has, like, you know, you can like hear the colors in it, especially in headphones on.

Like you can hear like the pinks and the purples and like, you know what I mean? And it's just so special. I know, I don't have like, I don't know what the diagnosis is for like synesthesia. But I'm like, maybe I'm,

I have it. I just don't even know what the qualifications are to have that. But I do think I like to associate songs with colors because it brings it to life for me and makes it really vivid. But yeah, I also feel like the theme for me. I don't know if you know what Libby Lou is. No? Does anybody know what Libby Lou is? Okay, well, it's essentially this like child store, like type of Disney princess type of scenario.

Like, you know when you'd go to Disney, like, as a kid and you could, like, get a princess look or like that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Give you a makeover. Right. So Libby Lou essentially is like this makeover spot for like kids. And I would go there when I was little. I posted photos here before and it was really cute. It's like a feather boa.

You could like choose to be the rock star or you could choose to be the pop princess. Like whatever. Anyways, the whole goal for the album is for it to feel like R rated Libby Lou. Oh, I love that. We were like, me and Lexi, I've talked about this all the time because Lexi's from Texas and I'm from Louisiana. So we have like a very similar upbringing. And I lived in Texas for a little bit. And that's where I first went to Libby Lou.

You did? I lived in Houston. When did you live in Houston? In middle school. No way. And then did you, so were you raised in Louisiana, then back to Louisiana? Got it, got it, got it, got it. So, Southern girl.

Yeah. Southern girl at my core. But yeah, Lexi grew up in Texas too. So we had a lot of the same experiences. But we, it was so funny, we were in Palm Springs for Coachella. And we went to, like, the skim store randomly. We were like in the skim store at the outlets. And when we walked in.

Outlets. I know me too. Like YSL in those outlets is so good. It's just like, yeah, it's perfect. It's perfect. It's perfect. And it's just such a perfect stop on the way to like, the weird location of Palm Springs. Right.

Every time I'm there, I'm like, this is literally don't worry, darling. Like, why does it feel like this? It is. I think Don't worry darling was shot in Palm Springs. No, I think it was too, but it's exactly that. Like it feels like, I don't know. It feels like somebody came in there and tried to make that weird escape. Yeah.

It's like, why are we supposed to be smiling all the things? time. But yeah, we went in there and we smelt Libby Lou. And it was, anyways, that's where I meant to circle that back to because we smelt the smell of Libby Lou and we looked at each other and we were like, that was Libby Lou. And we were like, that's a sign. Like the album is Libby Lou. Anyways, you have to know more about Libby Lou.

I, does it still exist? No. No. When did it shut down? Wait, I'm going to show you the logo. Wait, I want to see. It reminds me of like a... Like what color are you saying?

Like yellow, like a butter yellow. Okay. So it's not a butter yellow. It's not that. No, it's actually like this. Oh, okay, okay. So it's like, um, uh, very hot pink and like purple. So it's like, uh, what's a, what's that, um, who am I thinking of?

Uh, you know, the cartoon. And it's like, it'll come to me in like four hours. What is it? Yeah, like right when I leave. Yeah, right when you leave, it'll come to me. Are you planning on touring the album? Or, I don't know. Am I allowed to say?

say that. There's definitely plans to tour the album, yeah. Are you, like, excited about, like, do you like performing? Yeah, I do really like performing. I don't know. I think I was always wanting to perform just in life. I think it's always been so fun to me to be on stage and, like, convey some sort of feeling to people.

I mean, I grew up competitively dancing, so I think, wait, look, this is Libby Lou. So, like, you would get dressed up like that. Oh, whoa. Isn't that amazing? It's like a... It's like Build a Bear for yourself. It's like a gay hot topic. It's like kind of what it is.

No, it's the best place on Earth. Oh my God, I miss it. By the way, this is giving exactly what I thought it was the cartoon I was talking about. Really? What the fuck is it? It's like pink and they're like... And they're like, it's like the dolphins. Mm-hmm.

You're talking about Lisa Frank? Yes. Yes. It is like Lisa Frank. It actually is very much like that. Yeah. But that wasn't a cartoon. That was just like stickers.

Yeah. That was just like a brand. Yes. Like I didn't know how to describe it. I was like something of the sorts. No, it's so that. Like the vibrant colors of Lisa Frank. Right.

Very that. I just wanted to know what Coachella was like. Oh my God. It was so scary at all. I went week and one. I was so fucking mad when you came out week on two. I was like, cool. I missed it.

No, it's okay. It actually, I don't know, Weekend 1, because I was there with ARCA on Weekend 1, which is really, really fun. And honestly, the perfect way to, like, start my Coachella experience. I've never been to Coachella before that. Ever? No. But you did Stagecoach last year. I went to Stagecoach.

But that's so different. I even did stagecoach this year for a day, and it's very, very different. I went to see Lana. How was? It was amazing. Oh, she looked unbelievable. It was so good. It was really magical.

I know she looked in sound. perfect. I just like feel like, I feel like women are really like running the music space right now and it's so like nice to see after like all these years of that like not being the case. Totally. Or maybe it was the case but it was like underappreciated. Yeah.

And now it's like there's like with like Stan culture like kind of coming to like the forefront of the zeitgeist. Like I feel like it's like this new appreciation and it's like awesome to see. Yeah. It is so nice. It's such like a motherly vibe. Yeah. I love it.

Yeah, Lana was amazing. And Coachella was just really crazy. It was really crazy. I actually don't get very nervous before I go on stage. You don't seem it at all. No, I'm like very chill. Like, almost so chill that my managers are like, is something wrong?

Like, are you okay? You know, I'm really chill. And I like to make things as normal as possible before big moments like this. So I like everybody to be chilling. I like to be like walking around. I almost like to pretend it's not about to happen. Right.

You know, like, and then I'm just like, okay, I only think. about it when I'm literally walking on stage because then it makes it a little bit more processable it's kind of like jumping into like processable yeah I like making up my own words it's a word now I feel like it's like jumping into like cold water yes it's like you can't think about it until you're just doing it right it's like jumping off a high board yeah like a dive board yeah high board yeah I may have my own word too oh my god I'm so are you doing more music videos for the album? Yeah. Oh my god, I just shot, which these will be out by then, by the time the album comes out,

and by the time this comes out, I'll show you some videos from that, too. Wait, I'm so excited. So I was, there's the song called Fame is a Gun. And that... Obsessed! And that song I love so much. It actually, like, when I was playing the album for people, before the album came out, that one was randomly, like, a favorite for people. And it's the only song, other than the interlude, Life's No Fun Through Clearwater, is that we wrote in New York. Oh, no way. Yeah, and it's... New York wasn't even written in New York. We wrote New York in L.A. Um, which makes perfect sense because you have to sometimes leave it to appreciate it, you know? Yes.

I feel like I'm always unhappy where I'm at and I always like, look at it. And then when I leave, I'm like, yeah, I want to go back. Yeah, I had the best time. So Sean, who directed Diet Pepsi and Alchmarine, Sean Price Williams, he directed this one, which is kind of like a funny little. And who did high fashion? And who did. Mitch, Mitch Ryan.

So he did headphones and high fashion. And then Sean's back for fame as a gun. and then we have another music video that Ethan who shot the album cover. He directed. So that was really fun too. I just want to show you everything. I know, I need to see it all.

Especially, that's really annoying that this comes out before because now I'm like, I wanted you to experience it when it all happens. But at the same time, it's like, you might as well know. It reminds me, it's like when Charlie came and talked about Brad. It's like I didn't. Yeah, you didn't fully hear a single. I heard like the song she'd release.

I didn't hear the album at all. But like I got the vibe. Right. Like I got the bar. You could get it. Yeah. This is the other video we shot, which was really amazing. Like, it's essentially a bunch of my girlfriends.

Wait, what's this? What's this for? Which one's this for? This is times like these. It's like pretty much this narrative, the video of like, you know, separating work and fun. Is that Lexi? Personal life. No, this is my best gal, Jal.

She's going to be with me for everyone. very long time. So you can remember Jal. She was an aquamarine actually. Whoa. This is sick choreo. Yeah, it's amazing choreo. It's my bestie and incredible artistic collaborator and friend Danielle Palanco.

Me and Lexi did a class with her before we worked on any of the album stuff together. And we were just like, oh, Danielle has to be a part of this. She's like the best dancer ever. Like if you ever have time and you're bored, you have to go look at all of Danielle's videos because she is so sexy and effortless and perfect. And she's like a true kitten. Right. Do you like doing competitive dance when you grew up?

Yeah. I loved it. I really loved it. I miss it. I like think I just miss. I don't know. I love competing. I love competition and feeling like you're being pushed to do something better than you're doing.

And I think competition dance is so that in like a really beautiful and like communal way. Right. You never feel, you know, too competitive with people you compete against. It's more of like this really beautiful push and drive to know what you're capable of. Right. And so, yeah, I really miss it. But now you're kind of able to do it throughout all your art, which, by the way, feels so full circle. Because I feel like you've tried your hat in so many different things.

And then like this feels like you're so good at everything. I'm not even just saying that. You are so good at everything to me. and I think to everyone as well. But like this feels, does this also feel to you like, okay, this is what I'm meant to be doing? Yeah. Yeah.

Well, I think, you know, people always ask me what I prefer, like acting or dancing and I'm like, or singing. And I'm like, why can't they all exist in the same world? And to me they do because I think performing is kind of like the basis of what I love in life is like putting on a really interesting, introspective, questionable sometimes. Or like, you know. a show that makes you question what you thought about the way you could feel even. And so like kind of pushing that boundary within myself,

but like four other people is like really interesting to me. So I think as long as I'm putting on some sort of provocative, interesting show, I'm like really satisfied. And I think that with music, I have so much freedom in that because with acting, which I do love to do, you can really transform. I mean, you know this. Mr. Actor.

Mr. Actor. Thanks. But you know, like, you can really, like, put on a show in a way that you wouldn't go yourself most times. Yeah. Or maybe you're an exaggerated version of yourself, which is, like, a really interesting thing to play with. But I think with music, it's so, I'm so lucky that I have so much creative control over what I'm doing right now. And, like, the label really has trusted me with whatever I've wanted to do. Like, they really don't know what the hell's going on.

I'm just like, this is what's happening and we're doing this. Like, we're shooting this video. But I feel like that's the, you can feel that you have creative control. by the way. Like, you can feel that it's all up to you. Well, it's just like truly, even with Diet Pepsi, like the team that was used and started and slowly evolved into what it is now even, it's really been serendipitous and magical in ways that, like,

we're all best friends and, like, we all have the best time working together. I mean, I'm sure you know how this feels. Like, working with people that totally get you and totally understand you and can open up your eyes in different perspectives that feel so true to, who you are at the same time as it feels so new. And I think like that's what I've had the luxury of. I think choice and and being able to create what you want exactly the way you want is such a privilege and such a luxury that you almost forget about when you're,

until you're on a set where you don't have control. And then you're like, wait, I really need control. Like I'm a control freak. I love being in control. And it's also so nice to have like people around you that like will be honest with you. And that you can like take their criticism. them like you can take it well. Just like finding that good team.

Yeah. It's like everything. I know. You know what I mean? And they're like all my best friends and it's just the most magical thing. It's really like a family. Oh, that's amazing. Yeah.

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Releasing music and, like, doing, like, bigger projects like this, I feel like is, like, different because like, because you got your start, like, you know, posting online and stuff. And, like, that has this, like, instant gratification almost. It's like, you post and you get a bunch of likes and like... It's like you posted a video about this one time, didn't you? You're just like, I just need instant gratification. Yeah, I do. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I do. Like, I need it. And, like, with singing and with acting and performing, like, there is no instant gratification. Like, it's all about, like, the long-term payoff. And, like, how do you, like, how does that feel, like, the difference between the two? I feel like I've actually gotten really lucky with most of the two.

with most projects that I've worked on or done, even with acting, because, you know, when I filmed, he's all that. That was in 2020, and it came out in 2021. And it was, like, pretty fast, you know, it was a really quick turnaround. But then, same thing with Thanksgiving. When I did Thanksgiving, it was a really fast turnaround.

It was, like, maybe less than eight months or something like that. For most of the projects I've done. And then I got really lucky because we just shot, you know, two music videos that will come out in the next three weeks, which is really fast. But I don't know. I totally get what you're saying, though, because I actually shot a movie last year

that's coming out at the end of this year and that we had to wait a little bit of time for felt like a little bit longer. But I almost have found a lot of comfort in that. Really? I almost enjoy that because I'm like, so many things can be instant. Like social media, you know,

I can post on Instagram right now, which I'm like, I love posting. Like I just want to post everything all the time. I like don't want to wait for anything. Yeah. I just want to post it immediately. I actually remember you posting something about that too when you were going to post your like tour video.

You were like, to post it right now even though like I can't. Oh my God. I remember that. I know. Oh my God. Right? You're like I want to share it now. Like it's too early. Like I just need to share it though. And I feel that same way all the time. But I've learned to appreciate that because it gives you a little bit of a buffer. And I think even, I don't know, even recently I watched Charlie's TikTok where she was talking about how like overexposure is such an interesting conversation. I loved that. I loved that too because it is such an interesting thing. And it happens very frequently with a lot of artists, they feel like they're too exposed or they need to pull back or, you know, they're too scared to get overdone or like, I feel like you're too in front of everybody's face

and that people will get tired of you. But I feel like with projects that are delayed or a little bit later make you wait, it's almost like, okay, not everything has to be now and I can feel comfort in the fact that something's coming and not so pressured to make something happen now, you know? And I think I've felt that way a lot, even with this past year of making music, and this and that or feeling like time is going by so fast, honestly. I've really tried to slow down a lot recently because things are happening so quickly. And it is a little sad because it's like, why are we treating it like it's fleeting? I don't like that.

I know. I feel like that's like the key to success almost in like some like fucked up way. It's like you have to treat it like it's fleeting. You know what I? Kind of. Because like... See, I'm so different. I actually feel like it's the other way around.

Okay, tell me more. Maybe I think I have the wrong. I think you're wrong. No, but this is just my approach. And I think it's what works for me in a comforting way. I think when I would treat things like they're fleeting, I would feel like it gives them permission to fleet. You know?

And I don't want to give anything permission to fleet. I'm like, I need to act like this will always, what I want will always be here. And what I know I'm going to get is also always going to be there. And so I will get it. You know, and I think it, you're like changed. No, I'm like actually like, because it's a confidence. I think it's a confidence thing.

And it's like confidence in, I think the reason maybe I treat things like they're always fleeting is because like I don't have confidence in what I do or what I put up. You should have more confidence in what you do. I know, I don't mean that in like a sad way. I just mean like I think it comes with, it comes with time. And like I think, I think social media has created that kind of perception in a way because you feel like in order to in order to be relevant or important, you have to be extremely active and like almost run yourself to the ground in order to stay in front of people's faces because it does feel like that. It does feel like when you're out of sight, you're out of mind in a lot of ways, you know, in social media and just the way that the entertainment industry works these days. You're like, well, you forget about me if I don't post today. Right.

Yeah. But I think I've gotten to a point where I feel like when you treat it like that, it does happen like that. And I think when you have quality work that you spent a lot of time on and that you really love and you know people will value it, it doesn't matter as fast as it needs to come out. It doesn't matter if you feel like you need to wait two more weeks for it to come out because you think someone's going to forget about you or maybe you're not. going to be in front of their face for them to remember you. It's like the work is the value. You know? Yeah. What you put into the work and how amazing the work is and how much time you've spent on it. People will love good things because they're good. You know, so it doesn't matter if you went away and stopped posting for six months. If you come back with something that's incredible

and has great integrity and value and a lot of passion into it, like people are going to pay attention no matter what. Right. It doesn't take you having to be like, hey, I'm right here. Like don't forget because what you do is is a reflection of the time and the energy that was put into it, you know. Do you feel like that's something you like learned? Because I feel like you, you had this active era and then you stepped away. Yeah, it's a learned thing. And like, did that feel weird at first? Or were you like, I know that this is what I'm meant to be doing right now?

I think it actually happened pretty naturally for me in a way that like my life was kind of evolving and, you know, things were happening. my life that felt like they needed to be handled privately and internally in a lot of ways. And I think it kind of prompted that discovery in a way. Because I was like, okay, in order to figure out what I even want to do or how I want the rest of my career to look or how I want people to take me seriously or not, or in what way do I want them to take me seriously, I had to re-address that because I think I gave people permission to view me in one way, which was very much like oversharing everything or feeling like they knew things that they didn't even know about

or feeling that they were just scratching the surface, which then turns into something that isn't what it even is. Right. And I think I had to understand that that was out of my control at some point, so what I can control is allowing that to be a discussion topic in the first place, you know? So I kind of like pulled back a little bit in that time. And then I think I learned over time that quality things and quality items will always draw attention, no matter what. You know, no matter how long it took or how silent or quiet the scene was before you put it out or if you feel like it wasn't active enough.

And I actually think that's why things are fleeting so much these days is because people treat them like they're disposable. Yeah. It's like, of course, if you treat something like it's disposable and like it doesn't have enough value to stick around for even three days, like, of course, Of course, nobody else is going to treat it like it is. Right, right. Like if you keep like being like, okay, and the next, and the next, everyone's going to be like, okay, where do we love? They're going to move on.

Yeah, as fast as you did. Right. You know, so like when you treat something like a long, it has longevity, it has power, it has strength and the ability to withstand time, other people will also respond in that way and see the value that you put into it, which therefore translates to them having value in it, you know? Yeah. I think that's super beautiful.

That's my best advice. No, I think that's amazing advice because, like, I needed to hear that. I feel like, even today, like, something happened and I was like, damn, I, like, thought, do I just need to, like, I thought, like, I thought this was going to be a bigger thing than it was. Okay, should I just, like, are people forgetting about me? And, like, I just, like, the worst feeling. And, like, I'm like, feeling, like, forgotten is like, it's like the most sad, horrible feeling ever. What's your biggest fear? Being forgotten.

Really? I think, yeah. being forgotten or being like... Mine's being alone. Really? I hate being alone. Do you always have someone around you? Yeah.

I like love... I don't know. I was talking to my therapist about this, but like something about having people there to feel like you're not just in your mind and confused. Like I feel like that is something that I really look for in company.

You know, I'm just like, I need people that are around. So I feel like I'm not just like alone in my mind, you know? And feeling like you don't. don't really know what's happening or I don't know it's it's like an interesting thing that I've learned to discover about myself because I've felt that way for a really long time that I didn't like being alone but I think being forgotten is kind of hand in hand with that in a way I think so too I think like being forgotten I'm like thinking about like when people are thinking about me I don't feel alone

you know what I mean yeah totally totally you know what I mean and it's like but that's why social media is such like a companion in a way right it's like a friend yeah it's like a literal friend did you, are you, like, still super active on, like, checking socials and stuff, or do you find? Yeah, I'm an addict. Yeah, I'm an addict. I'm an addict, too. It's actually really disgusting. I, like, check it, like, religiously, like, every five seconds.

I can't control it. And, like, I'm so grateful because I wouldn't be here without it. But, like, I understand at the same time that, like, it is really addicting and it's really bad. I know. Like, what's your screen time? Like, 12 hours. 12? Yeah.

Are you even awake for 12? Yes, I wake up and I check my phone and I'm just, like, staring out at the end. tired eyes. It's literally all I do. I'm like on my phone. I love when you talk about that because you're so raw about it. It's like amazing. You just own it. But like, do you like that? I like it when it feels good. Like when I read one bad thing and you're like, I just ruined my whole life. My whole, like, like I read a tweet show that was like so nasty about me and I was like, ah. You're like, hmm, the weather is so nice. I'm tired. I'm going to go get some pressure. And the worst is when you read something and it's like oh like why they kind of eat a little too you know what i mean wait because i feel

that way about myself it's the worst feeling and i was like damn like i hate feeling i hate feeling like a fraud and i hate when people are like you there's something else to you that like you're not showing and it's like that's why i'm so like open and honest about the stuff because it's like i don't i hate that's like my number one thing it's like when people like misunderstand you misunderstand you or be like you this isn't you you know like i don't i don't know and i don't know and And it's like, I feel like for you, it's like you figured out who you were in front of everybody. And it's like, how did you shut out everyone's opinions on that? Yeah.

I mean, I feel like that's, that's kind of what I was touching on with the whole taking a step back from social media thing, is that I felt so misunderstood, but I was sharing so much. And I think, I even talked about this recently, actually, because I think sometimes you do what you need to do to get where you want to go. And, you know, I wasn't showing every part of myself as one mostly doesn't. You know, there are elements of yourself that surely you don't share online that aren't bad. They just aren't things you're willing to share or talk about or, you know, show. And I think privacy becomes really important over time of like, okay, what can I allow people access to that isn't going to hurt me or they're not going to use to make to make? And so I think, yeah, being misunderstood is definitely annoying. And it does get on my nerves sometimes.

but I think over time, I've realized that, you know, if somebody's commenting that I'm not, this is not who I am or whatever, or when I was 19, I was more authentic. Like, I'm like, okay, well, you know, I also, you were a different person. Yeah, and I just moved to L.A. I'm like, geez, like, I was from a small town. Of course, I didn't experience a lot of things or had the opportunity to even, you know, figure out who I was in those ways because it was life. Whenever you grow up in a small town.

Wait, where are you from? I'm from New York. So not a small town. So it's still a big, big place. Yeah. But still, I actually feel like a lot of people misunderstand people that are from big towns as well because you almost feel like you're missing out on, on like the innocence of a lot of things or like the progression of figuring out who you are and having those opportunities to be naive to things

and then really decide for yourself, you know? Because whenever you grow up in a big town, sometimes you're presented with all these really large ideas as a small kid that are a little overwhelming. And then you don't really know what you actually believe or have gotten. the opportunity to decide to believe, you know? I feel like that's why I think everything is so fleeting, because it's like, everything moves so fast as opposed to, like, a little slower in a smaller town. Like, it was like, yes, I grew up fast, but not in the sense that I was, like, doing a bunch of drugs and this.

I grew up fast in the sense that I was like, okay, well, what do I want to do? You know, like, everyone's figuring their shit out and everyone's doing this. You get to be an adult. Yeah, it's like, I took the subway from when I was like 11 and, like, you know, it's like. Little Jake on the subway. I know. I know. And it's like, it's like, I just feel like I grew up fast in the sense that I was like,

okay, well, I'm an adult now, and this is what I should want to do and I should have it figured out. And I feel like kind of in the age with like digital footprint, it's like we've gotten lost on the fact that like people change from year to year. You know, like their interest change, who they are changed. And I think we're holding people to a lot of who they were. And I feel like, I feel like that's kind of something that like we have to reckon with as like. Well, I think like.

We want to be so open online, and that has come over time for people to feel like, you know, we should let everybody live their lives and do what they want, but then it's like this contradicting idea that like when you've made decisions in your life when you were younger, that you now have to never change from those. Right, right. You know, always, you know, expect that to be a part of who you are. But it's really weird because I think what people don't understand about, you know, growing up in a small town or, you know, Louisiana's a pretty small place.

And like, I actually think it's much more misunderstood. I think it's actually really misunderstood because I think it's much more open and beautiful than a lot of people like to think. But I totally understand where this idea comes from of like the South being really far behind or not accepting people. And I don't know. I just feel like in my childhood I actually didn't grow up with much of that, even though I did go to like, you know, Christian schools.

But a lot of these things stem from religion and what you're taught when you're growing up and, you know, meaning on kind of like a rule book of life, which is like what a lot of these things stem from in the first place. And then I think it's like experiencing new life and new places and new people and you realize the world is not as small as you thought it was and you get the opportunity to see and feel things that are new and exciting and beautiful and ways that you just didn't know were possible. And I think growing up in a small town, I kind of just, you do what,

you live the life that you're learning to live. in order to exist in that life. Right, right. Because you're just living, you're living the life that you're taught to live or that you're expected to live when you're in a certain space. And then you, you know, travel and you experience life and you move and you meet new people and try things and everything just opens up a little bit more.

And it's nothing, I think none of it until it is is out of bad intention. Right. And I think in my life I've always tried to lead with a really good intention and everything I do. and I don't know. I try to treat everybody the way I want to be treated, and that's kind of just how I've always acted. Do you remember, like, that moment where you felt like, oh, there's more than this town?

There's, like, more than, like. When I got on Tumblr, when I was like, yeah, I think I must have been, like, 11 when I first got on Tumblr because my older cousin had Tumblr. And she, it was, like, during the age of, like, I think it was 2010, 2011, 2012, 2012. when people would do like the summer pictures of like big rings, like the blow up rings and like bleach blonde hair.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like 2012. Yeah. And I was like, oh my God, this is so fun. And like bikinis. And like I love it. And then I like got to confront a lot of different interests maybe in my life and like creative interest on Tumblr.

And that kind of opened up a whole new world for me. And social media. I mean, it really taught me so much. I was on Stan Twitter when I was little like. Stan Twitter shapes you. It really does. I had like a 1D account. Did you really?

Yes. Does it still exist? No, I actually tried to find it because, oh my God, I don't even want to talk about it because I'm like, who knows? Maybe it does exist. I'm scared. But, no, I had like a, like a, I don't even want to talk about it. But I also had a Dance Mom's fan page too because I loved Dance Mom. So I was always on like.

Peyton had my roommate, Peyton had a Dance Mom fan account. So did I. It was on Facebook, though. Oh, really? Yes, I had a dance mom's fan page on Facebook. And what, like, what? Like, I was in fan page group chats on Facebook. Like, it was really crazy.

Was it like with, like, 30-year-old woman? No, it was with a bunch of kids. Why? We were all kids on Facebook. We were way too young to be there, but we were there. Okay. Yeah, I forgot that I feel like I forget that Facebook was a thing. I know, and it was so big.

Facebook, I really want it to make a comeback. Really? Like, but it would, I would do that. But it's like how, in this day and age, It's like it's not marketable because it's so Facebook was so personable. Personal. Personal. Yeah, personal, you know?

Like, you had to friend someone to see their stuff. But that's kind of the beauty of it. Yeah, I know. And it was like where the nice community of it all came from, you know. But I also do get like sharing things. That's why like obviously TikTok is so massive and so global is because it's like you're getting fed new people every single day that you'd never have seen before in your life versus like Facebook is like an active community.

that you have to like make, you know? Right. Which is interesting. I feel like TikTok's like changed so much from like its conception to what it is now. Yeah. It really has. It's evolved. It's a completely different.

It's a completely different thing. And I feel like it's, I don't know. You know, it's so weird when you're, when you're watching an app, you're like, I can never imagine this app not being what like the biggest thing in the world. And I feel like it's so crazy to think that there's going to be something after TikTok. I know. It's weird. But I don't know.

Maybe TikTok will. I mean, Facebook is still around, you know. Right, right. And so maybe we'll always be on TikTok. I hope. I think we will be. I love TikTok. I love, like, I feel like I've discovered so much new music on TikTok and like so many shows that I watch and like, well, speaking of actually, I was so excited to ask you like, what were you listening to like while you were making your album?

Like what? Who were you listening to like for inspo and just? Wait, I'm like, I should look at my. Can you see your like most listened to songs of the year? I feel like your Spotify is like famous. Like I remember. Or like, whatever one was like, wait, Addison, Ray listens to ARCA? Oh, my God.

I remember that too. That was such a funny time. I'm like, yeah, now my Spotify is a little bit more public. And I turned off my active listening because I'm like, y'all don't need to know what I'm listening to. Like, get out of here. Fuck, I need to turn that off. No, you should. Because I'm just like, get out of my business.

I'm trying to find new music. Right, right. Give me a second. I have literally no service in here. But I think a lot of the stuff I was listening to when I made my album was, I was obviously listening to just albums that I love in, I was listening to a lot of, um, Arc a lot of Madonna. You love Madonna? I love Madonna.

I just watched. I was listening to Erodica. I've never heard Eurotica, but I just watched the Glee Madonna episode last night. And I was like, damn, I really should get into Madonna. No, you should. You should listen to Erodica. But you should also, um, have you watched Truth or Dare? No.

Oh my God. Is that the... It's like her tour documentary. Okay. And it's so amazing. You should watch that. And then you should listen to Erotica. Okay.

And then she had the, I was watching, like, there was this TikTok. I love when people, like, really deep dive into albums. It's, like, my favorite thing. Same. She listens to this podcast called, what is it, every single album? Yeah. And, like, someone was going into Madonna's, I think it was Ray of Light. Or, no, what was the one where she, like, has her hair back?

Yeah, Ray of Light. Yeah, Ray of Light. And they were like, that was the album that, like, changed Madonna's whole. Yeah, that album's pretty damn amazing. Yeah. Have you listened to it? Oh my God, you have to. I know I need to.

There's this one song on it called Little Star, and it's like four Lordas. It's so cute. And the lyric is like, never forget who you are, Little Star. Never forget how to dream butterfly. And it's really sweet. Oh, that's beautiful. It's really sweet. It was like a lullaby type of song, but it's really beautiful and like ethereal.

I mean, all of those songs are really incredible. Ray of Light is actually a cover. You know that song, Ray of Light? Yeah. It's a cover? It's a cover. By from who sung it originally? who is it?

It's like kind of unknown. Like not a lot of people know this, but it's a cover. It's like, or like an interpolation of that song. It's really wild. But when you listen to the original, you're like, wow, you guys really saw through this. Because then it turned into something just so massive and iconic, you know. Did you interpolate or sample anything on your album or is it all original? It's all original.

Wow. I'm really excited to hear the song where you talk about crying in the rain because you spoke about Elvira. Avera, like, producing it on the piano, and I feel like pianos can sometimes sound like raindrops. You know what I mean? And I'm really excited to hear that. It's a very emotional sound.

I wish I had a video of whenever they first played that for me because it's so beautiful. And, like, also, Luca and Alvira both have, like, really gorgeous singing voices. And so it's always, like, a pleasure to have them doing background vocals on my songs, too, and just hear the textures of our voices. And I'm thinking, I think it's in, like on high fashion, Tov is actually in some background vocals.

There's this weird like second verse thing that happens. That's really cool, I'll tell you, because it's her voice and it's really wild. And she deserves the shout out for that. Wasn't there some, what was the inspo? I read something the other day about the info behind high fashion and it's like you read something. On Pinterest. Wait, I really wish I had the Wi-Fi. Wait, here.

It's just totally not connecting. Actually, can you try to look it up? We need an iPad. Yeah, we need an iPad. I love iPad. I do too. Do you remember when we were supposed to do that, um, that video with the nuns? Do you remember that?

Yeah, I really wanted to make that. What happened again? They like weren't in commission. They're just, yeah. I think they were like a little tricky to sort out. But yeah, that would have been so fun. We still will do that someday. We will.

You know, I haven't smoked in like six months. Really? Yeah. Just was there like a bad experience? I was like making my like, I was doing this like comedy album and I was, I was like, every time I would smoke, I'd be like, I don't want to put it out. I don't want to put it out. I don't want to put it out.

And then I'd be like, wait, I made it. And it's coming out. And I love it. And I love it. And like, it's coming out. So like, why feel this way by choice? Totally. Totally. Yeah, I totally get that feeling. Wait. Oh. Okay. So I saw this and I was like, wait, I love the idea

of like, high fashion. And then I wrote, I mean, you wouldn't really necessarily take this. as that. But when I read this, I was like, wait, I want to get high fashion. Right. Oh, so you,

okay, you changed it. Oh, yeah, it's completely, yeah, I would better have or I've gotten sued. No, but this was very inspiring for it.

Oh, that's sick, actually. Yeah. I love your references. Charlie said you have the best references. That's true. Okay, are you ready to tell me what's wrong?

Let's go. Let's get somewhere. Let's come back to Earth. We need to. Actually, I don't want to. My boyfriend is still in a friend, group with his ex.

They broke up only a year ago and dated for three years, literally moved in together the whole nine yards. I'm not sure if I should be crazy about it or be chill. Absolutely not. Yeah, right. That's what I think, too. Be chill, absolutely not. No, like, I would not.

I'm not chill. How could you be? If he moved in with his ex and he's still in a friend group, he sees them every single day, no. No. No, no. I'm also crazy, though. Like, I'm a, my Venus is in Scorpio. so I'm really crazy and intense.

What does your Venus and Scorpio mean? Like, what is that? It's like the way you love. Okay. And so Scorpio is pretty like direct and intense and passionate and like all in. So that just does not work for me. That doesn't work for me either. I'd be like you need to stop being friends with them.

You're like, me or them. No, like me or them. Seriously. Yeah, I just feel like to be honest though, I'm really direct when it comes to like communication and like talking to people and I find a lot of closeness comes from, directness. And so I try and always be really honest when I feel like a way about things and hopefully

can come together. So I think if you can have a really open, honest conversation with that person, maybe, I don't know, maybe they'll understand where you're coming from and then can understand why you'd be uncomfortable. And then if they gaslight you, you can be like you're gaslighting. Yeah. Just call them out. I stopped being friends with one of my college roommates without telling her.

She lets her boyfriend say awful things to our mutual friends, so I stopped reaching out. Should I have told her I'm not her friend or did I do the right thing by distancing myself silently. I think she should told her. Yeah, I think if you value that person as a long-term friend, you should always tell them. It doesn't sound like they do. No, right. But then that's why, okay, I actually, I think if you're not that close with that person,

then I think slowly distancing yourself is kind of the right way to go about it, because it's like, you know what, this is not going to last much longer than this was lasting, so no need to have like an argument about it or try to like fight for this person if you feel that casual about letting them go. Right. But if you value them. And I also feel like,

you have to look at it from the other like you have to kind of be empathetic for the other person as well kind of be empathetic but like you do because like they what was her reasoning it was like he her boyfriend says horrible things to their mutual friend which is horrible but like you should tell her because like she's not going to know what's going on

totally no I totally agree and like she's going to be confused especially because it involves somebody else that's in their life that they may not know that they're acting like that and then causing them to lose friends it's like and also like also like I hate I've been in that position where like people have been upset with me and not told me why. And like that is like the worst feeling. But do you ask them or you like, yes.

And then if they don't tell you it's like it's like a guessing game. It's like torture. Well, yeah, but that is like showing you who that person is. Because if they're not going to tell you why you upset them, then you know that they don't even want to work it out. Right. It's like an internal thing. My coworker that I have a crush on just got a signed with me on a work project together. I'm up for a big promotion at the end of the summer if everything goes well.

So how do I focus and girl boss my way through this? I think you can do both. I think you can do both as well. You can do it all. You just have to be confident about it. I'm going into college and I'm previously from an all-girl school. We'll all be living in a co-ed space. Any advice on how to adjust?

Was your high school, middle school, all-girls? No. Okay. I went to a co-ed. I don't know why I thought. No. I think I just made that up. That seems fun.

Like, just a bunch of girls in really scary and catty, but like fun. Yeah, I feel like all-girl school if I was a girl would scare the shit out of me. Totally. I like, I need some masculine energy around me too. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, before I let you go, I have two questions for you.

Okay. Did you have fun? Yes. I had a lot of fun with you. Same. I totally blacked out. Yeah, same. I don't know what I said.

I don't know what just happened. Number two. So what you talk about in headphones on, like putting your headphones on and like blocking out the world in terms of like what you're going through. Like what is your song that you, when you put your headphones on, like you can block out everything else? I go through phases with songs that help me do that. But right now and recently, I've really loved hyper ballad by Bjork.

I think that song is so beautiful. I've never gotten into Bjork. You have to listen to this song. It's the most magical, beautiful song ever. Hyper ballad. Yeah. Okay. I will.

You need to listen to it, like, alone in the dark. Okay, okay. And it's really beautiful and, like, really emotional. Also, has, like, Charlie given you, like, any good advice, like, going into your debut? Yeah, I mean, Charlie gives me good advice all the time. Well, she helped you name Diet Pepsi, no? Yeah. Yeah.

I played her Diet Pepsi and she was like, oh, why wouldn't you name it? Why wouldn't you call it Diet Pepsi? Like much more interesting because I was going to call it backseat. I actually think Charlie has a song called Backseat too, which is funny. But which was not as exciting. But then I was like, oh, yeah, might as well, like do that. And then like how, and were you like, oh, like, and then like, I feel, yeah, I feel like diet pep-like, did you always, did that, like, inspire the Diet Pepsi, like, imagery and, like, the,

or was it always, like, did you always, like? Well, it was always going to be Diet Pepsi because. First of all, I love Pepsi, actually. My Pawpaw's favorite soda is always Pepsi. Really? So I have, like, really strong memories associated with Pepsi. And obviously, all the amazing iconic commercials that always existed in life and performances, Super Bowl performances and stuff.

But, yeah, my Paw Paw loved Pepsi. And so I, like, wanted to tie something in that, you know, made sense in that context, but also was, like, something I grew up with. So Pepsi made sense, and syllable-wise, it was Diet Pepsi. And I do love Diet Pepsi. I actually think it's way better than the alternatives. Really? I actually do.

I really fully believe that. Okay. I know it's shocking. It's people. Yeah, controversial tape. I know it is. But I actually fully believe it's better. And I've actually converted some people.

So I feel like that's such a Louisiana thing. I feel like Britney Spears also like loves diet Pepsi. Totally. And like she's always. Just Pepsi period. I think maybe it is a Southern thing actually. It probably is. It's super Pepsi based because, yeah, my Papa is also obviously from this now.

Do you go home a lot? Um, I try. Yeah. But it's really hard. And I've been working a lot. I feel guilty sometimes about the lack of times I go home in the year, but I am working on prioritizing it much more. What's it like for you when you go home?

It's fun. Yeah. I always see my family and try and spend time with them. My family cooks a lot, and they cook really well. So I always try to go and have a home cook to me all. What's your favorite thing that your family will cook? Like rice and gravy. Or like gumbo.

My mom makes a good gumbo. Gumbo is my favorite food in the entire world. When I went to Louisiana, I had four different servings of gumbo in 24 hours. You need to come to my families. Please. Please. You would die. My family makes the best food.

Like, it's really spicy and, like, really crazy. I love, like, a combo with sausage and chicken over, like, Jasmine rice. Yum. Like, that's, like, my favorite thing in the entire world. It's so good. And my family makes, like, really good baked beans, randomly. Like, sweet baked beans. Do you, I feel like there's nowhere to get, I don't know where there's a,

good place to get gumbo in L.A. I haven't had it yet. No, I don't know. Yeah. I wouldn't trust it either. Yeah, like, you'd have to get somebody to make it. I feel like... Maybe I'll learn how to make it and we can have a little gumbo night. Please! You know, we never got Go Greek. Remember when we were supposed to get Go Greek? I'm going. Once a week, we'd be like, let's go, let's go. And then it just never worked out. I want Go Greek. Me too. That sounds good. Should we get Go Greek? We should. We should. Okay. And Addison, what did we learn today? That podcasts are not as scary as I think. Oh, well, that makes me really happy that that's what you took from this. That makes me really happy.

I'm serious. I learned that if you treat something as fleeting, other people will treat it as fleeting. And I think when you say you treat people the way you want to be treated, that same thing should go for the ideas and the stuff you're putting out. So treat that content and that idea the way you want it to be received. Yeah. Yeah. I'm happy that's what you took away from this. That is what I took away.

And I love you. I love you. And I'm really excited for your album, Out June. Addison. I think it's out already. So go re-listen. Oh, yeah. It's out.

It's out. It's out. Listen with context. And I love you. I love you. And thank you for coming on. Thanks, Jake. Do you want to give a little bye pussies?

Bye pussies. Hey, Mama. Thanks for making all my favorite recipes. Hi, Ma'am. Thanks for your unfiltered advice. Hi, Mom. Thanks for always being by the phone. Hey, Mom.

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