Therapuss with Jake Shane - Session 79: PinkPantheress

Episode Date: June 26, 2025

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Hi Pussies, and welcome back to Theraput. I'm recording this for my hotel room in Washington, D.C. I just got back from France. If you didn't see, I had a very, very horrible travel day yesterday. And honestly, like, as I tell the story about it, I'm like, damn. Like, it really wasn't that horrible. But, like, I know I'm just so dramatic. But, like, in the moment, like, I thought, like, my life was over.

Like, in, okay, so when I was flying from Nice to Paris for my layover, like, I knew I had, like, such little time to get on my flight. And the Paris airport, if you haven't been, is the worst airport in the entire world. It's miserable. It's huge. It's impossible to get around. And like, my app tells me this one gate. And so I run to the gate, like, sprint.

Like, there is sweat dripping from my face. Like, I get on a bus and then I go through passport control and then I sprint. And there's like, there's literally two ways I can go. One to gate K, one to gate M. Okay. Online it said gate M. On the app, it said gate K. I'm like, why would the app be?

wrong. It's feeling like a bit too easy. Like there's no security I have to go through and I know like when you're like getting on a connecting to like America like you have to go through security even after passport, even after the passport stuff. And I'm like something feels too easy and I'm dripping sweat. I get to the gate. It's not my flight. In fact, there is no flight. I'm just like I have like 10 minutes left and like my body like gives up. Like I literally can't run anymore. I run back anyway and then I get lost. I run back. I like try to run back through the passport thing. They're like, you can't do this. And then at one point, I just look around.

I'm holding Passandra. I'm dripping sweat. And I feel so defeated. Finally, again, on another flight to New York. I'm in a middle seat. People eating salmon next to me on both sides. It was horrible. It was horrible.

It was the worst travel day of my life. But I'm here. That's me. That's my update for you. France was amazing. I went to Cannes Lion. It was incredible. I went on vacation.

I had such a wonderful time. I barely tanned, obviously, because I can't tan. I don't even think I got burnt because I put on so much sunblock. Tonight we have on Pink Panther S, who I just absolutely adore. I think she's so incredible. Her music is so amazing and unlike a lot of the stuff we hear today. So it was super, super cool to talk to her. And she's also, like, so fucking funny.

Like, her humor was so similar to my humor. I just thought she was such a fun. time to hang out with and to learn about like her music and her and it was just so fun and I'm really excited for you guys to learn more about her if you don't already. I'm still on tour. I'm about to perform in Washington, D.C., and then New York at Radio City, then Atlantic City, then Boston, and then I have a few more shows to see if I'm coming to a city near you. Go to Pass That Post.com and click live live with Jake Shane. And to submit and tell me what's wrong. Go to Pass That Push.com. Click Tell Me What's Wrong and Name and Number if you're feeling fancy. Enjoy the episode. Love you Pussies.

Hi Pussies, welcome back to Therapus. Today we have one of my favorite artists on Pink Panther S. Hi. Hi. Nice to meet you. So your stage name came from the game show and the Pink Panther movies. So it came from, so I was making a TikTok account and then I wanted to call myself, the game show aspect is because I was watching a game show called The Chase.

Okay, yeah. And the answer to one of the questions was Panthers. And I really liked the way it sounded. So I wanted to call myself that, but then it was taken, so I put pink in front of it. Oh. Like the movie? Yes. Do you like the Pink Panther movies?

Of course I do. Well, it depends which one we're talking. We're talking Peter Sellers or if we're talking Steve Martin. Do you like the Steve Martin once? Of course I do. Have you seen those ones? I've only seen the Steve Martin ones. Wait, okay.

Do you remember any of it? Like... I would like to buy a hamburger. Yeah. I remember... I don't remember. Okay. It's fine.

I'm very well versed. Wait. I watched your music video for tonight. Yes. Amazing. Amazing. I love it. I love it.

What was the, what was the inspiration behind it? Oh. Oh. I was, okay, so I was listening to a lot of older music and I was listening to a lot of,

do you know who Jemiriqui is? Sorry. So that's an artist called Jemiriqui. No, it's fine. And well, he's from the UK, so maybe that's why.

Oh, yeah, yeah. And he has a music video from a song he has called King for a day. And it's very Georgian. It was set in the Georgian Times and I was like obsessed. I was like I would love to do something similar to this. And I also watched the Madonna, the 1999, I think, or 2001. Vogue Live. I feel like the Grammys or something. I don't know. I think I know what you're talking about. That performance where she

did like, yeah. And I loved it. So I was like, I really want to do something similar and I really. Yeah. It's amazing. It's amazing. And it's one of your longer songs. It is actually. It's one of your, because normally you said that you don't like your songs going above of 230, right? Yeah. Yeah. But it is, it's nearly three minutes. I think it is on Spotify.

It's like three minutes, something in four seconds. And then, or do you have any other songs on the mixtape that are? The longer? Yeah. I think so. I don't know if any of the others actually go over three minutes, but I think they are like similar to the tonight. Yeah.

Right, right. And then what, how do you decide between like when you're doing like, it's either a a mixtape or an album? Like, how do you decide? Well, it's all about how you go into it and what you are thinking. going into it. So if I'm, I went into this project, like, thinking of it as a mix tape. So that's how I proceeded. But if I went on into it thinking it was an album, then I would proceed as such. And then how do you, what's like the difference in your mind between the two?

Just how honestly, and this is going to sound really, is how seriously I think about every component with a mixtape, you have more freedom to be fun. Okay. So I was, I, you can sample more, or I sample more, or I feel like way more liberty to just kind of go. crazy and just do whatever throw in some random bullshit but with an album it's like okay yeah yeah everybody on me yeah yeah do you have like an experience with a song that you overthought and then you were like you put it out and you were like fuck yes i feel like i have before i've had songs where i'm like i could have just left at the original demo and it would have been probably a bit more enjoyable for people but i mean shoulda coulda what shoulda coulda what uh i read something the other day that was like

those are like the three worst words in the English language. Shoulda, woulda and coulda? Yeah, because it's like you can't. Oh yeah, because you can't. And I was saying this to literally just now with my manager. I was like, whatever, the beauty of an outcome is that you don't know what the other outcomes could be. So you just live with the reality of what the reality is. Ooh.

Yeah. Yeah. Do you take like a lot of like, Like, do you take a lot of like personal inspiration for your music or like, how do you like, what's your process like? Oh yeah, I take a lot of my, my process, well, we were just talking, I was just talking like this for someone else, but a lot of my personal decisions come from my tastes. So, and my tastes are obviously informed by what I grew up listening to and where I'm from,

I'm from the UK. So a lot of my music is very, is, it's all very, it hails a lot from what I grew up listening to. And that's why I feel like a lot of Americans are less familiar with some of the genre. Like other people describe music as like hyperpop sometimes and I'm like not quite. Not quite. But you know it makes sense why like maybe someone

from America would think of it as that because they aren't necessarily too familiar with what it actually is. The genre is called drum and bass. And it's drum and bass and that's where you'll find the really quick drums and the brakes. And that is a genre called drum bass. Yeah. And or jungle, it kind of leaks into

others. but that's what a lot of Americans call hyperpox. It's very sped up. Right. Quick, very like. But it's not that. But who makes the rules? No one makes the rules.

No one makes the rules. So it really is whatever you want to be, but I wouldn't necessarily call hyperpop. And then, yeah. What did you grow up listening to? Well, this is going to be very broad, but just British music. Because it really just is that. Because British music is its own thing. Right.

Like, you can, their genres obviously in the UK, but they're really, is its own entity as well, in my opinion. What is it, what's the difference between that and like, American, yeah. Well, I was just saying, like, America is, you have to remember how big America is. Right. America is a whole, it's a whole, the music over here is its own, it's a whole ecosystem, like is a whole climate.

Right. In the UK, it's kind of like a more, like, like, if, for example, if somebody knows a song up in Scotland, I most likely they're going to know it down in London. Interesting. And it's not with every song, because obviously you have local music that will inform a certain areas, culture or whatever in the UK.

But generally speaking, a song will be nationwide. In my opinion, have to put that out there. In my experience of being in the UK, but in America, it's like, you know, like I had an ex from St. Louis who would name artists that, like, somebody from this state wouldn't know and this person wouldn't know and this person would know.

And even like genres in one, One state might be different from a genre in another state. And so for that reason alone, I have to call it British music. Yeah. Or some of your favorite British artists. Lily Allen. I love Lily Allen. Yeah.

I really love Lily Allen. I went through a huge, sorry, I got really excited. It's okay. Calm down now. But no, I love Lily Allen. Isn't she really good? She's amazing. Have you done her yet?

No, my God. I would die. I, when I was in eighth grade, went through like the big, when she released, Jesus. Yes. I went through like the biggest Lily Allen phase. What's that one, so she has on that's going to. us like a bitch no no no

what's that one oh uh um um um it's called that it's hard out here for a bitch yeah

that's a really good I like to I love the air balloon too yes okay the whole album is so good but yes Lily Allen

I love Imijian heap Kate Nash I love obviously I love Amy Winehouse I love I mean

who I can't really name honestly a British artist I really don't like because I think all of them have really informed me.

Like all that, that classic era of, like, 2001 to, like, 2000 and, like, even 10. Yeah, that was, like, the golden years, I feel like. The golden years. And then disclosure came out and, like, what, 2012? And I was like, this is a whole different plane of music. Disclosure's British? Yes.

I did not know that. That's crazy. Their life shows are honestly beyond anything. Uh-huh. Crazy, yeah. Okay. And do you live in London full-time? I do.

Oh, I live between here and London. Okay, okay. I was just in London. And I went to Marks and Spencer's. That's my, I used to work there. What? Yes. They have everything ever.

Well, yeah, it's like one of those, would you guys like C is or something? Oh. So? Um, like a target. What is C is then? What is C is? I, it's so random that you. What is C's?

It's like, uh, what is Sears? Yeah. You don't know what Ceres is? No. Like, I don't. I know what Sears is, but like... But you just never go in. No, and I don't think they have like Sears, like, branded food.

Oh, right. Okay, well, forget it. It's like... Like, JCPenny? Like, it's like Target. Girl, no, it's not like Target, because Target is like our Sainsbury's. What's a Sainsbury's? Tesco's.

Do you have... Do you know what that is? I know. Okay, good. Then the... I know what Marks and Spencer says because I always get the prawn trips. Prawn chips from there. Yeah.

Okay, well, that's like what target is for us. Or as does it actually is, is the British target. Well, and I love, um, it's, uh, what's it, it's too? Oh yeah, it'su. I love it. You like a little Japanese food? Mm-hmm. I love Japanese.

It's my favorite food. Actually, there's another one that I prefer, I feel like, there's one called wasabi you should try. I love wasabi. Okay. When I had an internship, my, oh my God. Do you ever, like, block out periods of your life? Of course.

I'm like, where did I work during the time? How do you? 25. Okay. How'd you think I was? No, I thought you were like 24. Well, I'm 23. You're 23? I'm 20, 24 soon. I know. Happy or almost birthday. April, what? 19. Yeah. Aries. Are you? Scorpio. What does that mean? It's like dark and... Dark? Angry and full of like... Dark. Anger. Like, anger all the time. Oh, it's not giving any of those things. Oh, thank you. It's like, am I being fed lies by those close? closest to me.

Oh, right, I see. Like, that's the darkness in you because you're cynical. Oh, okay. But Mike, so no, Jacey, we were just talking about birthdays and what we said before that? You had an internship. What were you doing? See, that's what I'm saying. I forget.

But I remember every day I would go to Wasabi because they had one in Times Square. You don't remember what internship you did? No, one time I got fired from an internship. Can you believe? Why? I went on my phone and I fell asleep at the desk. I mean, who could blame you? I know.

Well, I didn't know. It was my first foray into corporate America. and I had no idea that you weren't allowed to go on your phone. Right, that, well, falling asleep though. I mean. And then I discovered, without my phone, I get really tired. So what you have, what's it called NARCAP? No, like, it's a phone addiction.

I also have a phone addiction. I'm trying really hard to. No, it's really bad. But my whole apps are you on because I'm not, I'm not, you on social media. I'm not on social media. What? I download apps. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

Like games, apps. Wait, what do you mean you're not on social media? I know, I'm on social media, my bad. I mean, I don't, like, I'm not doom scrolling on social media. Okay, I do them scroll. That's not the reason I'm there because I download games. What games? All games you can think of.

A lot of escape room games. Are you serious? Yeah, I love a little puzzle. So I just play, like, I download these scary escape room games where you just have to like, these detective series games. Wait, is it, that sounds fun. Will you send me them? Absolutely.

Wait, that sounds up my alley for a game. Good. I need more people to get on board. Okay. I will. Good. Okay. Yeah, so that.

So that. Okay. Wait, so what, what, like, okay, so we were talking music, but what, like, TV shows and movies do you like? Like, what are you watching right now? Well, I used to be a film student, so, actually, I'm well-versed in the film department, or I used to be. TV series, though, I was just, I don't watch any. What? No, I did watch the one, everyone said to watch, though, oh, what's it cool?

Adelcents. But was adolescence good? You haven't seen it? Oh, okay. No, it was really good. I love all the acting was just so good. I know, I heard the kid was amazing. The kid was amazing.

I know. And the dad, it was his name, Stephen Graham, I think, his name is, I love him. Oh,

it's a British show. Oh, yeah. What other, oh, do you, would you consider British shows in a different league than,

like, in the same, like, like, British, like, art music, because you know how you're, like,

everyone's listening to the same thing? Like, would you consider everyone to be watching the same thing? Let's put it this way. My manager's British, and if I feel like, if I said Waterloo Road,

Coronation Street, EastEnders, if I said, Holby City, if I said, the bill she's knowing all of these or if i say strictly come dancing or if i say listen you this is all going fush but no but you want to know what i do now that you would be shocked tell me what is the way that they speak and it's um it's no it's like in code like loop to loo cockney i know i know i know i know

it like you're fluid in it like uh what is it uh apples and pears yeah apples and pairs stairs tea leaf you're a thief oh i've never heard that was what are some more what are some more um oh go dog and bone phone get off your dog and bone you phone yeah you didn't like that i like apples and pears see that one's not giving for me because i like loop to loo who was that oh i'm sorry i think i just made that up crickets i'm sorry lupe de loo i'm trying to think what the rhyme would be I think it was soup. Loop to loop. Soup.

Oh, I feel like you're talking about spaghetti hoops or something. Loop. I don't know. We'll get to the bottom of it, aren't we? Yeah.

And we'll get to the bottom of it. But, your home sounds cool. Well, because my best friend is British. Who is your... Do I know her? Her name's Alice. He's from London?

Yeah. Alice? Yeah. Well, she moved to America when she was 12. Get out. I don't know. But her whole family is British.

So I have, I do very British things with them. Like, I have a lot of sausage rolls all the time. Oh, yeah, good. Did she have a British accent? She has a British accent with certain things. So, like, when she says water, it's water.

Oh, water. Yeah, or like room, rum. Room and room? Room. I don't know, but her parents have, like, the thickest and her accents, and, like, her brother has the thickest accent. Thick. Yeah.

Oh, that's good. Well, that's nice. I would love to meet her one day. Yeah, I'm sure you will. But it was just, are you going to Coachella? Say that again? Are you going to Coachella? No, I'm actually not.

I love your performances. I, die for them. Start playing with him. I'm not. I have a really weird thing. I'm going to be so real with you. I was saying last one guy,

I'm being very open about mental health right now. Oh, let's be open and honest. So I have OCD. Okay. So what that means is, and it's pure OCD as well. What's,

Pure O. I have, so I don't have it like where it's like neat, but it's like I have to touch things evenly. I have to like count things. I have really like intrusive thoughts. A lot of compulsions. I'm very superstitious.

So if I don't do it, it's bad luck. If I don't do it, like... The family's gone. No, it's more like, like, I'm going to get in trouble in my job. Like, I'm going to lose my job. Like, I'm going to lose my friends. But it's really bad. I'm on a lot of meds for it.

What's Puro? So Puro, well, that for me is like, I don't have any... I don't necessarily have many of the fears that you might have about certain things. And I don't need to touch anything. And I don't really care about neatness. I'm actually quite untidy, honestly. Me as well. However, I do have this thing where once I do have...

have a thought, it's loops, loops, loops for the whole, for a month. And it will never stop, never stop. And I get it over, I get over some, like, my biggest fears. My biggest fears are always just in the loop. So when it comes to performing, how it plays in that role. And also, one thing OCD does make me personally, personally do is it means that if I'm not the, if I don't consider myself a certain standard at what I'm doing, I don't see the point doing it. Or I don't, or I don't, I don't enjoy it because I'm like, well, I'm shit. So it's like everything either has to be perfect or it's not done. Right.

And that is something which, that's something which is actually very detrimental to me as a human being because it means that I can be very negative and very, and people interpret a lot of what I say is like, which, which, and I just said this somewhere to someone else, but I said, like, people rightfully take my words and they obviously take them to me in exactly what I'm saying. But what I mean to say, whenever I say like, I'm shit, this is shit, this shit, is that in my head, I have such a high standard. I want to be the best, but because I'm not the best yet, I don't have any way to word it other than just by saying,

well, shit, can't build the shit, I'm fucking crap. And I don't know whether, that is something that purely come, and that's something that's birthed from my OCD, from not being satisfied with anything less than perfect. So all that to say with performing, I love performing, yes. I love seeing the people in front of me. That's why I do it, corley to say, but very much the true. But I love my fans, obviously.

people sing my lyrics back and obviously you the learning experience of going from somebody that was really shy to then becoming a better form is amazing enriching experience for me but can i when i speak very colloquially and informally to people about it i don't talk about it in a positive way no because i don't i just simply don't think i'm that good yet so until i'm that good then i'm always going to be a bit like i understand so it's like you can't be like i like you're like if i'm not perfect i'm not saying I'm great. Yeah and that's what and that is really one of my downfalls as a human being. It really sucks because it goes with a lot of things that I do. It goes along with even some songs that I put out like genuinely I'm very very much very I'm very much a perfectionist

and it sucks but we are here and we're working on it honey and we are working on it. I'm 23. I'm 23 but that's like the only thing in life I feel like I the only I'd say it's like I other than my like that one my OCD I'm so perfectly like oh like life. his daisies and butterflies. But when that hits, God, it's trash! And I didn't know what it was because I spent my whole life. We're not getting into this conversation. But my point is performing Coachella,

if I am so inclined one day to do it, I will be there. But I'm not going. Are you going? I am going to go. Who are you going to say? I'm not seeing many, many people. I think I'm just going to see Charlie. Yes.

And Gaga. You're seeing two artists, but you're traveling to Palm Springs. Well, I mean, very worth it for the two you've mentioned. I think I'm going to see Charlie and Gaga and I think I'm going to see, well, because I'm also working. Oh, you're working. That's, okay. And I think I'm going to see Post Malone.

I would like to see Green Day. I mean, I've seen them like, they're so good. I know. I love them. I want to see 21 guns. Yeah. You kind of look a bit like Billy Joel Armstrong. Joe Armstrong.

Really? Actually. Like younger him? Do you think he's fit? You know what? When he was younger, like he was kind of, there was something, there was some material there. There was some fabric that we could work with. Right, right. So how long have you been producing music for?

Since I was like 17. And how did you start? I was producing for a girl I went to school with. I thought that, well, she's, she and she's really, she still makes music, she's really good. And I just really wanted to get involved. So I was like, let me produce. I didn't know how to, but I just learned as we went. Uh-huh.

And it was fun. And then you just started putting them out on like the internet. So she would put it on Spotify. But it was for her music. It was her music, but I was producing for her. She put it out on her Spotify. And then I got involved in my own staff about a year later. And then we dropped it.

Somebody leaked our project recently. From all those years back, they leaked it. And I was like... Do you not... And how does it feel when your shit gets leaked? What a sentence. I don't enjoy it, but I'm not mad equally. I'm very...

When it comes to the internet era of music, I'm very, as most people watching this, or you, or anyone that knows me on what I've said in, I'm very, very liberal when it comes to music and sharing and sampling. I'm very liberal. I'm very liberal. Do you, so you started putting out your own stuff a year later. What was the moment that was like things, was a shift?

Was it when you put out Just for Me? I think it was when I put out, break it off, was when I was like, okay, this is like the beginnings. And then Just for me was like another beginning. and then pain started doing so that was another one it was really weird it was kind of like i was like boing point yeah it was like you know what i mean and then like it was funny because i wasn't i wasn't i wasn't i was anonymous at this point so it was very much music led you were anonymous like you faceless no way faceless and then when did you i this when i was about 21 i want to say and actually i

really did do the whole when I did the Boys Lair part two video that was when it was really like okay this is how oh no way yeah did you know boys a liar part two was going to be a big song yeah i didn't think about it yeah and i yeah and that's really the case with me because i again because i'm very familiar with the internet era of music it's so like you never know so i was just like i'm just going to expect nothing and just hope for the best right that's the best that's the best it really is the best it's the best i don't care what anyone says like that is the best if your expectations are set here, then they'll always be met. So true.

Is that horrible to say? No, that's OCD thinking. Oh, okay. Yeah. Eyes. Oh, what's that? What's the eyes? It's like if you cheers without eyes, it's bad luck.

See? Uh, uh, ah, ah, so you can't walk under ladders? No. No. Walking on cracks, nothing. No, see, I haven't really thought about that. True. But like, the, the, under the ladders I can't do.

Umbrellas and doors. Umbrellas and doors, I won't do. I used to like have to like look at myself in the mirror 10 times over. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then I would have to like. I'm not laughing.

I mean, listen. It's funny. It's funny. I've had to do some pretty. I've had a very micro phase of that kind of like compulsion doing a very micro phase of it. And I'm trying to remember what I used to do. Oh, you know what I used to do? I'm a very big maladaptive daydreamer.

Uh-huh. So sometimes I, this is really like a. Okay. So what I would do is I'd pretend to be in this scenario, right? In real life and I'd be like acting as if something like, I was acting like when I was in high school, I'd act like I had a boyfriend. So I kind of like knew going around in my house. I had a boyfriend with me. And then if something in real life took me out of it, I would have to repeat, no, no, no, no, no.

To like remind myself that this isn't part of my own now adaptive daydream storyline in my head. Yeah. So let's say my mom comes in. I'd have to, it was like three to one and scene. That was my, no, no, no. Okay, got it. Yeah.

It's a bit complicated. No, no, I actually very much understand that. My one compulsion. I used to have to pray every time I cursed. Girl. Do you still do that? No. But I would like literally speak in tongue.

Oh, ah. Yeah, like. I kind of would hear it. I would be like, fuck. And then I would be like, oh, okay. Yeah, I'll pessimize. And I'm not even Christian.

So like, it was super random. Yeah. Oh my God. That's the biggest gag of all. Wait, I'm curious. about your writing process. Tell me. How do you start a song? How do you like, because a lot of some artists that I've spoken to, like, they view it as

kind of like formulaic where they'll like write certain the verse and then the chorus and then, but does your song, does it just like, how do you come to you? For me, it comes from hearing the beat first. Whether I've made the beat myself or I'm, there's a producer that's given me a beat, I have to get familiar with the beat. Once that happens, then I kind of do melody passes with my voice. I'm like, hmm, you know. And then once that's been figured out, then lyrics come last for me.

Lyrics come last. Yeah, I feel like most people are like lyrics first or something. No, that's it. I've heard both. Oh, okay, cool. I've heard both. Do you have a favorite song that you've had like the most fun producing and writing? Fun.

Oh, Angel, which I made for the Barbie movie. That's a great one. What was so fun about it? Being in that studio, you know what's so funny? You know who came in? And I, this just kills me. It's Charlie Puth randomly came in. Uh-huh.

And I, it was just, it was just so funny and random. I was like, okay, like, he's in the room. Love it. Love it, love it, love it. And he's such an eccentric. Like, his personality is honestly, I've never been around somebody so eccentric before.

Very interesting, but he is in, I mean, as we all know, genius. He's kind of like, I mean, I don't even know if I can even say this, but he's kind of like AI and a person musically. Like if you need something musically done, he can calculate in his head exactly what chord that should be.

Yeah. This, like, he played a chord and I was like, this might be the best chord I've ever heard in my life. And that was, we kept it in. Oh, wow. And he was very cool. He was like, you know, you don't even need a, you don't even need a credit mirror,

be in the producer, and stuff. And I was like, And then he whisked away into the night, never to be seen again. What do you think? He's a, you know, he's a very helpful in the studio, really cool experience and very random. And that was really fun.

And then we had a random Irish jig come into it. And it was just such a fun song, and I loved it. How long have you been making Fancy That for? Because you say you do it really quick. August last year. It was actually done last year. It's been done since like November. Uh-huh.

But we wanted to save it for release to this year. Okay. And then what, like, do you have, like, when you create a mixtape or an album, like, do you have an overall theme? It's funny. I don't go into, well, I wouldn't say that I'm the most purposeful when it comes to themes. I am very, I try and to be as consistent. I'm more consistent with, well, I try and be more consistent with my, this, the references for the sonics, if that makes sense. So, like, the beats or the drums or the, like, if I want a certain tempo, then I can.

kind of try and kind of stick to a certain tempo or feel. But themes so much, my lyrics, they are all pretty, some of them are pretty sad. I didn't necessarily have a theme that I wanted to necessarily completely exude when it came to my last album. But people kind of, but there was a lot of songs where I was talking about death. And that was something which I guess I consciously did. So that ended up kind of being a theme, death. And then with this one, I wanted to be not that.

Like more like fun and mature. So this one actually, I was like, yes. This is me being a lot more purposeful with my... Because as a musician, I feel like every musician's priority is different with their music. My priority with my music is always really the way it sounds. And then the feeling that I give off when I sing and the feeling of it, I'm not too necessarily anal about like, this lyric means this and this, this. It's all feelings.

Okay, so you're way more, like, you're way more of a sonic person. Yeah. Got it, got it, got it. Because I have friends that, like, don't listen to the lyrics

that my best friend Alice is like, I don't do lyrics, like I just do like, the feeling of the way it sounds. Yeah, how it sounds. Yeah.

Did you, oh, when, okay, so you said you used to work at Marks and Spencer's. In the men's department. Oh.

Yeah. Well, what was your favorite meal from there? What a question. Because how do they make all of those meals every day? The Duck and Hoison wrap was my favorite.

And how did they make it every day? Are you talking about the ready meal section? Yes. There's every cuisine. I've never seen anything like it in my life. Oh, like you mean which factory are they? Yeah, like how is it happening that fast?

I love. Oh, you know what is the best? It's the salt and pepper chicken. Ooh, that sounds good. Do you like Wagamama? See, I was going to bring this up when we were having the whole itsy wasabi thing, but yes, that is my favorite, one of my favorites. What did you get?

Katsu curry. Yeah, the Katsu curry. See, that's a, not even to be that bitch, but those are rookie numbers. We need to get you on to the yaki so bar. I've had the yaku soba. Oh, okay. No, I've had the yaku soba. I've had the Katsu curry. I've had like a chili ramen.

Oh. Uh-huh. No, I'm well-versed. What about the starters? Are you getting the beef brisket pat buns? No, I'm getting the squid, the crispy squid. Yeah, the crispy cheese. Yes, yes. You are, you have impressed me today. You are, you are my, yeah. Yes. No, I'm telling you, I'm like well-versed in London food.

Amazing. Kind of. People hate English London food. I've never in my life. had better Indian food in my life. Thank God you said that. Because let me tell you the people I've had to convince. What? I feel like it's like a known fact. But people aren't convinced.

I went to this restaurant called Jamavar. Yeah. Have you been? Mayfair. Okay. I will go. It blew your mind. No, no, no, no.

First of all, the birani. The birani in London is so different than the birani here because it's like a puff pastry at the top and then they have to like... And we have Popadoms. Popadop is my favorite thing in the entire world. It's my favorite thing in the entire world. Popidom! I love Popper Dom's.

They are my favorite thing. It's my favorite thing. With the little chutney. Yes, yes. Like a mango chutney. It's really good. Or the green. Yes, I love Indian food from the UK.

I mean, I love Indian food everywhere I go, but really the UK does it so good because there's a certain sweetness that there is to those dishes over there. I don't know. But you can't replicate it. You can't.

You can't. And like, I tried to get Birani here the other week and it like wasn't in like a, it was like, it's like, it's almost like it's served in like a pot pie as puff pastry. And they like, oh, and they cut it around.

I'm never had the biryani, honestly. I've never had a birriani. I'm really basic when it gets to that stuff. What do you got? The Korma. I love Korma. Same, same, same. I love chicken, corn.

I like lamb Korma and chicken tea masala. Yes, go off. Shrimm, coconut curry. We're saying this, like, we're naming the niches things. We're naming, like, yeah. I know. But it's true, though. Yeah.

So fire. It is so good. A little bit of coconut rice in the sign. Oh, wow. Yeah. I love the food in London personally. Good, good. No one says that.

I know no one says that, but they're just maybe not going to the right places. Or they're just so biased against it. People really, I've noticed people who hate British people over here. They hate us. They're like, or they make, or they say stuff, they'll be like, they'll be like, I'll see loads of tweets that's like, um, realizing pink's British. I can't listen to her anymore. What?

I'm like. Wait, why do people not like British people? I love British people. I think it's, I don't know if it's like a fake thing I'm seeing online or if it's real life too, but yeah, people make fun of us. But it's fine. I'm sure we don't mind too much. Did I stick together?

We try. You do. We do. Wait, so you said you took the mask off in 2021. What was like the decision making that went into that? For the betterment, for the advancement of my career and also just, I think there was a point where I was like, I know I'm going to want to get credited. I know I'm going to one day want to have a face to the name.

So I felt like doing that made sense. Was it scary? It wasn't a bit scary. I was actually kind of concerned people was going to call me ugly or something. You know what I mean? And they didn't, but, and honestly, I wouldn't have cared if they did. The fear was more so, like, doing a face reveal and then somehow it affecting my career, genuinely. I get that.

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I'm like thinking it feels like a year ago. And I'm like, but you've been on the scene for like four years. And then I'm realizing, 2021 was four years ago. Yes. Yes. It's funny because I feel like my career, I'm funny as an artist. There's a few artists as well like this. And usually a lot of my favorite artists are like this.

I am an artist that I'm very happy to like take a little period of and come back. I'm not always like boom, boom, boom, boom, boom in your face and your face. And that's something I chose by design as well. I don't want to, no. No. It's not, I don't think it's very good. Do you, like, is making music still a fun pastime for you? Or is it like, now that it's your job? Like, you're like, okay, I don't want to do this right now when I'm off.

Well, no, there was a moment where I feared it would be that. And then I took a break. And then I was like, this is just what I needed, just what the doctor ordered. Because then I came back into it and I was like, God, I'm so inspired. So, yeah, which is good. What do you do on your breaks? Nothing fruitful. I'll tell you now.

I don't go on holidays. I don't go on holidays. I've never been on holiday. Have you been on holiday? When was your last holiday? Like, okay, no work, right? No work. This is a holiday.

Oh. Tell me. Today? No, I went skiing for the first time ever in January. Where'd you go? Corchavelle. Is that in America? Is it in France.

Never in my life. And that was probably the first holiday I've taken in a minute. Wow, wow, wow, wow. Oh, that sounds really fun, actually. I mean, I haven't been skiing. I'm not going to lie. I don't know if it's for me. But.

That's what I thought, too. It was really, it was really good for my mental health. Good. Yes, because you're like, okay, so I was really scared to do it. Yeah. And I went with my best friend's family, the British ones. And, um, you guys are flipping best friends. No, I know we do everything together.

Oh my God. Me and my best friend like that too. Really? Yeah. What's our sign? Is she or me? Well, you're in Ares. What's she?

I don't know anything about. She's a Virgo. She is my actual best friend. I just don't know anything about Starzs. I'm a Scorpio and my best friend Alice is a Pisces. So we're like, Oh my God, I didn't know her flipping Starzstan. Does that make me?

The Scorpio and Pisces are like, what are you? Yeah, yeah. Ooh. Oh, how interesting is that? How do you memorize all of this? What do you mean memorize? Because in order to know that anything, it's not one go together.

But how? Like I know that Scorpio and Pisces go together because my best friend is Pisces and like, it's a thing where like we are together. Okay, but when someone. someone says like, I'm a Capricorn rising, how do you know how to react? Okay, so Capricorn are very, like, regimented and they're very, like, like, like, get shit done. Got you.

And so the rising is, like, the mask you portrayed to the world. So, like, my rising's a Gemini. So, like, I come off very chatty or, like, very, like, social. But, like, that's not who I actually am. So, wait, what would it be for Aries? If I'm, what am I? Aries are very... fiery they're very like i am quite fiery yeah they're very like uh like people can describe them as

like um a very blunt yeah oh i fear that's me yeah like it kind of read me up and down wait what's my rising she knows everything so your capricorn rising is why you are so in addition to also it being your oCD but it's why you're such a perfectionist wow wow wow we bar that's really good information i might have just made that up but it's why you're so You did. No, I'm joking. That sounds right. Honestly, and honestly, that's all very interesting. The only reason why I get shocked when people know all these things is because I'm like, which part of your brain do you store this information? I used to be addicted to like memorizing things when I was little. You, you, you got that. You got that OCD. Yeah, I used to memorize

library cards. My brother, actually, funny, my grandma told me this other day. What happened? I saw you. And then you were like, where's yours? Yeah. Have they got names? Yes, that's Patrick. And what's this? Pasandra. Oh, that's good. Right? Pasandra's like, you know, I haven't, I need to take her to the dry cleaner.

Really? It smells really good. No, Patrick's clean. Oh. Pasandra's been on planes. She's come with me on tour. Oh, okay. On tour?

Yes. Oh, yeah, because you, okay. I did see that. That's really good. I love it. Do you? Have you done like a full-fledged tour before? Hell yeah.

Yeah, I get that. So is it not scary? It's terrible. to, you've got a harder job than I do. Yes. No. Yes. Why do you say that?

Well, I'm imagining your tours as you like. Talking. Yeah. Yes. That is difficult to do on stage. It's just, it kills when you say something that you think is so funny. And everyone's like, yeah. Like, it's horrible.

And you have to then, my, uh, my escape from that is acknowledging that it missed. Well, that's what I used to do, but now I kind of just allow it to not. Right. What do you mean? Like, like, I used to do the same thing when, like, if I say something, because I say so much stuff. Right. So, and a lot of what I think I'm hilarious, obviously. You were a fucking hysterical. No. You didn't need to agree with me. Thank you. I wasn't, I wasn't trying to fish right then. But, but, but no, no, no, no, no, no, that's not what I'm trying. What I'm saying is, what I'm saying is, I think that I'm funny. And then obviously, especially in America, because I'm British and we have actually a different sense of humor. We just have a different sense of humor, I feel like. There's crossover. It's a lot more dry. It's a lot more dry and it's hard to tell when someone's telling a joke, so I'll say something. And also, I feel like I think things are funny and they're just not too fair.

And, like, silence. But I used to do the acknowledgement, I used to be like, so none of you found that funny? But now I'm just like, right. But I think it's funny when you acknowledge. It is funny when you acknowledge, so. It is funny.

Yeah. Yeah. Because now I think people think I'm like, like really weird. What? I think you, honest to God, I think you are one of the funniest guests, We've had one.

I don't think I'm weird. I think I'm, I think, I just think a lot of Americans, because of the timing, are like, oh, I don't know if she's joking or not. And I think they think that I'm a bit like off kilter. Whereas back in the UK, it's like, we are all like, like, this isn't weird. Right. But thank you for saying I'm funny. Yeah.

You didn't know what we were going in for then, did you? I'm going to trick you. Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! No. No.

Okay. Let's move on. What next? Oh, I'm having a really fucking fun time with you. Thank you. Are you having a fun time? I feel like we're on a date. I also feel like we're on a date.

And like it's one of those things. I feel like we've really just developed a new friendship. Romance? Oh. With each other. Oh, sorry. I thought you were going to say romance. Well, it's like a friend date.

Right. I think I thought it was something different. Anyway, but yeah. Okay, I'm going to ask, I don't think, I'm really excited to ask you this. Okay. What are you therapists about today? Oh, therapist. What am I mad at in the world?

What, what aren't I? Let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, um, personalize this. So I'm not talking about something we'll talk about for years and years to come in this podcast, but personally, what am I therapist about in my own life? life. I'm not going to, I'm not going to say anything about myself, because I want to be nice to myself today.

Oh, I love that. You know what I mean? I was so nasty to myself this weekend. Ew. That's peak, but I know how it is. And that's me every, I was like,

wait, I feel ugly, so I went home. Oh, not, you left somewhere? Yes. No.

I was like, I looked in the mirror and I was like, I'm going to go home. Yeah, and then I went home and I watched TV and I had, that it was amazing. Oh, that's good. Yeah.

You went home and you did the right things. And then I face-time my friends, my face time my friend and they told me they were like wait you look really good without even me fission i even say like i love because i look ugly and then i was like well i just go it sucks i know exactly the feeling and i i know that feeling so well but um yes what am i throw pissed about i'm trying to think what this week has really got got to me uh i don't really um let me get do you want me to go first you go first i'm pissed about traffic on a sunday well that's what i was going to say really i was going to say traffic on specifically the day of today because i thought

it was a weekend. So I thought, or I thought it was Sunday, so there would be less people on the roads, but there were more people. Isn't it strange? No, it was 9 p.m. last night and I was stuck in traffic. And I was listening to This is Nikki Minaj for three hours. Naturally. And it was amazing, but like, it was also horrible because, like, we were in bumper to bumper

traffic and it was 9 p.m. on a Sunday. That's just so shit. Yeah. I'm going to say, okay, on that strain, I guess I'm therapist about, oh, goodness, goodness, goodness. I'm going to say, I need to cut my hair and it's really long. So underneath this hair, this is a wig. I want to show you kind of slightly, but I don't want the camera to put up on everything. Do you want to hide?

There you go, you see that? Okay, so it's shorter. So you see, this is my natural hair underneath. This is a reveal. I've never done that before. And I feel like a lot of people are now going to not be able to unsee. But yes, my natural hair underneath is really short. And what is the length?

Like here? Oh, like yours, literally. And then why do you need to cut it? Because it's too long. Because that's the thing about... It doesn't work with wigs then? It doesn't... Well, for me, you don't want to...

It says there's a whole... Listen, this is a whole... There's a whole climate in here. And I'm telling you, if the hair's too long, then it bunches too much and it makes the wig look too thingy. So you kind of need to like... Got it. And look, even right now, I'm like...

I'm being watching my thing. I'm like, there's a fucking kind of bump going. And it's been annoying me, but like, again, we're being nice to ourselves. We are being nice to ourselves. So, and I've never said that. But maybe you were the catalyst I needed to realize, like, being nice to yourself is so important. I think you were the catalyst I needed to realize that because I made a video this weekend that was like normalized, calling yourself ugly.

Oh. And then I was like, wait. Like, why should we? Why? Am I the problem? That's one. I will say, actually, that's very interesting. My, so is a lot of your, like, when you're like, God, I feel like, is it a lot to do with when you look inside the mirror and you're like, I want to go?

It's just like everything. Like, it's like the mirror. It's like. how I feel in my own skin. It's like, oh, I feel gross. Like, I feel like,

and then when I'm out, I'm like, I feel like I'm constantly like looking for a partner. And if I'm like, if I'm feeling ugly, it's like, I don't want, oh, like you're looking for some,

yeah, are you looking to date right now? Desperately. Really? Desperly. I don't know why I thought that you were some way, some, I don't know why I thought you were in a relationship.

I don't know why you were giving that, but that's, actually, I thought you would have mentioned it. You would have said like my brain or something. Yeah, I would have. I've never had a boyfriend.

I mean, 25. I mean, there's no rush. I haven't had sex in two years. But what's the problem? What's the problem? I can't find anyone.

No, no, not the, what's the, I mean, like, you're really trying, you're really trying to get in that bedroom, huh?

Yeah, like, I, there's people you can call. But, I'm desperate. Aside from that, there are so many people

for you out here. Thanks. I've got, my roommate actually might be interested. What? Well, if you like,

up. Yeah, if you like, he's kind of tall though. I love a tall guy. Okay, I might do that. Send me up. I might do that. That'd be really nice because he's also looking for somebody right now.

Really? Yes, he is. Listen, I'll make sure it works. You're both cute. He's cute. You're cute. Why not? Why not?

Something fun for the girls. For the summer. Summer romance and we can go on double dates because I'm... In a relationship? Yeah. We can cut it. I am. I mean, I already said on TikTok that I was.

Oh, you did? Yeah, I did. But not too much. But yeah. Well, you're going to, listen. L.A. actually, I thought was good for dating. Oh, my.

Says who? Well, no, not me. But I've never, I don't really date in L.A., but you, is there not a lot of gays looking for love? There's so many. I'm literally, like, tell me.

Like, you would think so. But they're just not for you. Oh, you know what it is. is they're all twinks. And you're not into that? I think... Well, you are, you are the... Yeah, like...

Oh, got you. Like, I'm looking for like a top. True. And they're few and far between in L.A. Got you, got you, got. And if there are, they're taken... And then if there are, everyone's like... Going for them.

Have you seen the Hunger Games? Oh, God. You know, the cornucopia? Oh, everyone's like, like that. So that's what it's giving. It actually is definitely giving that, to be honest, from what I've seen and heard. But, you know, that's, um, that's, um,

Um, magical, magical. You're going to find somebody this year. Two years, huh? Two years, yeah. But like, can I actually say something? Please. Is that? I would put it this way. I wouldn't mind a two.

If someone said two years break, I wouldn't say no. But you've at least like, I know. No, I get what you're saying. Like, the option's there, but I'm saying, like, a break is good. Go back into it. And it's been a while and you're just like, I know, but like for me, it'll be like, ow. Do you know what I mean?

Oh my God. Got you. I understand what you're saying. Like, you know what I mean? I do get what, well, in so many words, I get what you're saying. Yeah. Got you. Got you.

Before I let you leave. Not that. What is this? It's the, it's nothing crazy. Okay, good. It's just the tell me what's wrongs. So the pussy's right in and they tell us what's wrong and we give them advice. Where did your name come from, actually?

What? Pussy? Um, so, okay, I reviewed octopus. Like, I love eating octopus. Uh-huh. Yeah. Ridiculous. Yes.

And so I would go at, hi, pussies. And they, hi, Jake, tense up, like tentacles up. And I would eat octopus and I'd rate it out of eight because they have eight tentacles. So I'd be like seven out of eight tentacles. You really enjoy eating octopus. I've never had it. Wait, where's the best place to get it? No, boo?

No. Who? Chikoni's West Hollywood. Okay. Is amazing. Okay. Angelini is amazing. Uh, there's a place in Florida.

That's incredible. Okay, cool. One time I went to, what's it called in London? Hockassan. Oh, yeah, I love that place. Me too. I got the best octopus from there. Okay, yeah, must try.

I know. Am I so well-versed in London food? Are you kind of gagged? I'm, yeah. Wait, so you, did they know I was coming in or is it like for everyone? Okay, good. Just for anyone. Yeah.

Good. It would be for anyone. Because I like to leave things up for surprise. Like that. Mm-hmm. This one guy is leading me on and trying to get with me. But his girlfriend is my, she's kind of my friend. How do I handle this without being messy?

It's a mess. I mean, you can just, can we not silently reject the man? And call it a day. Wait, is that, that does apply. That could apply to us. He's lying to his current girl. Silently reject. You know what I would prescribe?

Wow, you really do have a vocab here. Boy's a liar part too. Oh, to, like, listen to and like, yeah. Because he's a liar. True. The girl that he's going for should listen to it. Yeah. Yeah.

And gets a motivation to just. Yeah. I mean, no. I mean, why? So does she, I mean, I would love to know more about this separately. Does she like him back or something? Yes. She wants to go for him even though he's in a relationship with her friend.

Oh, then. Yeah. I always think about what I would do in a situation. I've never been in a situation where I fancy. As soon as I know someone's in a relationship, I'm like, you're not cute anymore. Oh, because they're a liar. No, because they're in a relationship. Oh, okay.

Like, I just turn it off. Really? I'm done here. Yeah, my work is done. Oh, I get jealous. Do you? I turned off my jealousy receptors when I went to a girl school. Really?

Turn them right off. I said, nah. Nah. I genuinely haven't. But that's something that comes with OCD. That is an OCD thing for me personally, yeah, because ERP, you have to learn how to filter which thoughts you want to enter the conscious. What's ERP? ERP is a form of therapy for OCD.

Exposure therapy. Yep. So I did a lot of that. So I can choose. I'm very lucky, by the way. This is a very lucky thing to have. I can choose which thoughts to dwell on.

Jealousy. I said, uh, we are done here when I was like, year nine. So we're going to go to your ERP. Well, it's,

it does. It's hard. It's hard. But once you get it, it's, you get it. I used to not be able to add songs to playlists. So my exposure therapy.

Swear to God. My exposure therapy used to be adding the song to the playlist and letting it sit there. Really? Yep. And I would sit there for 30 minutes and she'd be like, how are you feeling? That's really cool, actually. I'm like kind of gagged by that.

Mine would be, what would it be? It would be talking about like, uh, like existentialism and like, uh, what was it? She'd like, she would make me like talk about being older. Oh, got it. You're so young. Well, thank you. You are. I mean, thank you.

Why? There's a fact. Okay. I don't know why I said thank you. My friends are all really fun and match my vibe, but one of us is the star of the friend group, and I can't take it anymore. She's annoying about it too,

and I don't know if I'm jealous or if it's just getting out of hand at this point. Help? Well, I've been in this situation. There's definitely a way that you could, but this is a thing. I, again, are learning not to be jealous. You learn to realize that some people have a natural star power,

and I hate this word, but some people have a set. Why you hate that word? Because that's word has been ruined by bloody social media, TikTok, whatever. It's been ruined. It's now a corny turn of phrase in my book. But it kind of has, like, I learned that some people naturally have it and some people naturally don't. But the thing is, if you don't have it, then you can't hate on someone for having it. So the girl writing this in, you have to look inwards and think,

is it because I just, I'm not necessarily as vocal or as like, quote unquote, fun or as mystical as said person or is it because she's doing too much. Right. She needs to figure that out. Because if they're doing too much, then girl, leave the friendship group or tell her and be like, get out. Calm the feet down. Do you watch the White Lotus? No, I don't. Okay. Did you see the finale last night?

Okay, so what I'm going to bring up is there was a monologue in the finale last night where Carrie Coon is like, so there's this group of three girls throughout the show and they all talk shit about each other the entire time and they bitch about each other and they fight. And then in the finale, Carrie Coon comes to this realization. What, what, like, would you, sorry, am I spoiling for you, Louise? Yeah, but, oh. Okay.

There's, there's, she comes to this, like, really beautiful realization where she's like, I don't know, what would you say it was like? Yeah, she's like, our friendship matters, like, even if we're just doing nothing, like, it feels deep to me. And then she, like, gets past the point. And there's, like, this star of the friend group, her name is Jacqueline. And she's like, and she looks at Jacqueline, and she's like, I'm really happy that you have a beautiful face.

And she turns to this other girl and it's like, I'm happy you have a beautiful life. And I'm just happy to be at the table. Amazing. And so I would maybe recommend that. Well, that's good. It was really moving. I cried. No, I didn't.

Sorry, but I teared up. The very subtle lie that, well, do you like comfortably? No. See, I, but I told you right after. See, I said, I cried. See, that's me too. Yeah. And I call it a prank.

Anyway, I do, I do, I do, I do. You did prank me a little bit. No, I never, I am so uncomfortable line because, well, back to my OCD, I always feel the need to over-explain myself and over-tell the truth, so I can't lie. That's so true. Otherwise, then you're a bad person. Yes. Yes.

Okay, boom. Yeah, I really answer the question. I mean, like, friendship groups are a bit peak, though. I really do love just a one-on-one best friend. I've got a few best friends, love them, but a little circle. Do you find it hard to make friends after you've chosen this as a career? I think it's harder for me to meet people, but I think that I,

I'm somebody where if I meet someone and there's a gel, I don't let them go. Do you feel that way? Do you feel that way about us? I mean, because I do. That's really cute. And honestly,

I would definitely love to join you guys' friendship group and be the star. Yeah. And be that star that you're looking for. No, I'm joking. I think you're great. I think you're really fun. And yeah, I don't. I would, listen, we're going to be getting a no boo at some point, no.

Uh-huh. Yeah. No, you said this octopus was bad from now. It's not great. Okay. Oh, you know what we should go, actually? Where? And I'm actually being so serious about going.

Where? I'm joking. Guacu. I love Cucacu. I love. Yeah, it's the best. Cucacu. Do you like Korean barbecue as well?

Yes. Okay. So across the street from Gukaku in Beverly Hills. I know. I know. That's my favorite place in L.A. Okay, so we'll set it up. Yep.

Yeah. I would love. I got our manager to set that up for us. that's that's how yeah that's yeah

oh I see I want to become a singer slash songwriter and I don't know where to start or if I should tell anyone my family and friends

aren't exactly the biggest artist type of people any advice don't tell them then like don't tell them like honestly I this is the advice I give to so many because a lot of people

have the same issue and my advice is don't tell these people I because I knew it was going to hold me back if people knew in my life because they're also not musical people you know your family my family and my friends got it and i was worried about judgment and so for me don't i blocked them off everything i didn't tell them kept it a damn secret and i allowed myself to blossom in

private and there's no thing i love more in life than a secret i love well-kept secrets god really are you good secret keeper yeah i mean i yeah i love when people have secret passions that aren't illegal Okay, wait. So you, how long were you able to keep this from your family and friends for? Honestly, a good while, like, no, you know what's so funny? It was about one month after pain had, like, taken off. And, like, my friend sent it to me to me and was like, this sounds like you. And I was like, it's not me.

Shut the fuck up. That was one thing. And then I, in the same as you, I'm like, I can't lie, I can't lie. So I had to be like, actually, it is me. Were they like, I'm gagged? Huh? Were they like, I'm gagged? Weirdly enough, I actually, they weren't that gagged.

They were kind of just like, oh, that's. That's really cool. Good for you. I was like, fair enough, actually. I'm really happy at that, Rachel. I don't, I will say I don't do things for reaction. Okay, but you had a Hannah-Man, then you live, you lived Tana Montana. Kind of. Got the wig too. That's fucking awesome. Another, that's another receptor I had to turn off. I had to turn off. I had to turn off. It's gone. I can't remember what it feels like. Can I ask how you turn them off? for me it's just every thought that comes in like let's say I'm looking at myself I'm like right um I'd say for me it's about when the thought comes in it's about letting the subconscious thought come in but literally not letting yourself address like your conscious thought dwell on the thought because you know how thoughts go like this you get the this is how thoughts work you get the subconscious thought and then your conscious brain is like questioning that thought it's like well, I'm not actually that ugly.

Well, my best friend said I was really pretty today, so I can't actually be that ugly. Or you'll take selfies to try and... These are the compulsions. You take selfies, looking at them back, da-da-da-da. Once you cut all of that out, once you don't... If you get the thought, I look kind of ugly today, and then you cut out all of the compulsion part

to, like, make yourself feel better. Like, you'll, I promise you, like, the thoughts will very much either dim down completely or they'll go. This isn't for everyone, though. I think that is some of those poignant advice ever given on the show. Girl, like, it's... Girl, it changed. Like, this only way I can live is, like, doing that.

That is amazing. Oh, that reminds me of a quote I saw once that was like, emotions are like people on the street. Like, you don't have to acknowledge them. Exactly. I think a lot of people, I will say, the only reason why I'm saying, like, it's only, it's not every brain that can comprehend this kindness.

And I'm not saying I'm different. I'm not, I had to train myself for years and years. So it's not something that you can, like, do. Like, you really, it's like, and I went through a lot of BS, thinking wise. Right. And a lot of time by myself to figure it out.

But yeah, I mean, damn, like, anyone can do what your EP and it really helps anyone. Like, you don't need to have OCD to the ERP. Right. Anyone can do it. Wow, I think I'm going to try to practice that tonight because I have an event. I'm going to and I'm really anxious about it and I'm going to feel ugly. See, exactly.

Try it tonight. Like, look in that mirror and kind of be like, okay, I'm having these here. But actually, this is what it feels like. It feels like this. What was that just then? Absolutely. That was silence.

Okay. Yeah. So that silence, that is exactly what you, that's what your brain should be thinking when you get that thought. Oh, can we try one more time? Yeah, okay. Allow your subconscious to call you ugly right now. Okay. And then practice what we're doing.

It's so freeing. Just like, wait, shut out. Yes. It's like, wait, shut out. Yeah, it kind of, it kind of is treating them like they're nothing. Yeah. Yeah. But listen, yeah, it's not for everybody.

but if you struggle, then it's good, it's good for anxiety. I've been in a situation ship for 3.5 years. No. And we finally had a real talk about Theolanes. And then the next week, he had a new girlfriend. Should I tell her and how? Well, we can't know unless we have the, we don't know what was in the contents of the conversation.

Because what if they decided that they weren't right for each other? I mean, a week later, though, fuck, you know. I mean, that might mean that he was cheating, though, if there was overlap. Should she tell her? No. I don't think so either. No, because what? Because, yeah.

No, only tell if there's overlap that you are very, that you can discern. So maybe do some detective work and see if there was overlap. For me, personally, I'm not doing that detective work, can't it? I'm going to bed. I'm going to bed like this. Good night. Very silently and very comfortably. But if I find out there's overlap, of course I'm going to tell some.

Of course I'm telling you. How do you? Hi, Jake and gorgeous guest. How do I get over a friendship breakup with a, the group of 11 girls. Oh my God. I didn't do anything wrong. I just drifted away from the friend group.

I have been friends with some of them since I was five, and I have spent my whole life with them. Eleven. I know we can't be friends forever. I know we can't be friends forever, but I feel like I can't even state my case. They keep avoiding me. Oh my God.

I have been there. 11 girls? No, less, but I have been there. And it is genuinely the most heart-wrenching, worst feeling I've ever experienced. Like having to leave a friend of group. No, like being less. and is what this says.

Like what this sounds like is like she drifted and then they were like, we're done. And now they won't tell her why. It's so immature. Like you really just have to tell yourself like if they're behaving this way. Like I, this isn't who I'm going to want to be around. Well, actually, this is something that I came to reckon with. Girls school. I learned everything about life in that place.

I'm being so serious. And I will say, for me, it's as simple as choosing not to be friends with people that treat people so disposably. That makes any sense. And this isn't just friends. This can also be your boyfriend, girlfriend, lovers, any type of lover or friend or anyone in your life that you can tell

treats things very... At their disposal? Right. I can't. And there are signs where you can tell. Like, what are some of the signs? Like, not being able to tell friends. I mean, this isn't also a must, by the way.

These are my signs. These are my personal signs which I look for when I'm looking for a close friend. I like friends that say they love me. Uh-huh. Me too. I like friends that can, it's not a required thing, but I like people that can laugh at themselves when they're with me.

You have to be able to laugh at yourself, but you also have to laugh at me. I actually, funny, this is quite controversial. A lot of people don't understand why I do this. I only really like friends, not really like, sorry, but my best friend, the way that, the reason my best friend is because she literally kind of like bullied me. What?

Yeah. She's not going to like me for this, but she knows exactly what I mean. she bullied me into being a better version myself i have similar situations she bullied me into like i'm telling you like she wouldn't let me get away with anything and what and the reason why this is good i mean some people will say it's bad for me the reason it was good was because it stopped me being a little a little what do you call it stopped me being super sensitive it taught me the ability to joke at myself it taught me the ability to like uh i mean exactly that take a joke right taught me to take a joke taught me to

that's not to say that everything's a flipping joke. There are obviously some things we have to take seriously in life. But when it comes to me, if you're poking fun at me, I have no choice but to take it as a joke. Me too. I just can't. Like, even, that's why exactly with the internet comments, and like, I can deal with being a person in a public eye now

because if somebody says, oh, she's mid, oh, she's ugly. Oh, she's this. She's fat. I'm like, I don't have the receptor again to care anymore. Right. I'm gone. Right. I've already had this.

growing up like my best friend wasn't saying anything of the sort to me like that but even having her like me wearing some trousers and she's like like that's so it's like sisters and she it was like sisterly like she had you grow thick skin yes that's exactly and i'm so thankful and i love her for that because she taught me the element of humor yeah yes oh that's awesome love her but yeah but you've had that too yes and going back to this girl like if your friends can't teach you anything and they're not they're not even talking to you and there's no love in five years like I know this sounds crazy right now but in five years you were going to look back and be like

oh my god thank god thank god because it led me to whoever i'm with five years later disposable genuinely so many people that think of others is disposable and honestly a lot of of couples i fear there's a lot where couples where one member will be somebody that's fairly like disposable right and that's why a lot of there's a lot of advantageous partners out there that take advantage of their partners because they know that like the couples that don't work in my opinion are couples where like I feel like you either have to be both all like what they're called I'm trying to like separate so it's an easier conversation so let's call there's two types of people in the world I've described this few times in my opinion

the way my brain works there's two types of people in this world you have people that are kind of in my opinion like more shallow surface level emotionally tied people and then you have people that are like really all in I will die for you I love you like we are tired soulmates for life. I used to be this person. I used to be a more shallow enjoyer of friends and family, whatever. I used to be that person until I met my best friend. And until I got older,

and I met my managers and everyone. And I realized that being, for me, personally, it works way better to be an all in. I'm invested in you. We're going to be friends for life. You're going to be the godfather, godmother of my kids. You know what I mean?

And so now these days I don't choose to make friends with people that I only see as like, oh, you know, like, we're friends on the weekend. or I can't do it. It's really hard for me because I'm like, because I'll always have this doubt in my head that you'll have my back. And I need people to have my back.

Right. Also, as you grow older, like in White Lotus last night, she said, as I, as we grow older, I feel that it's hard. It's, we need to justify all of our decisions. Like, we, it's harder to make passive decisions because everything needs a justification as you grow older.

I think part of that is that. Wow, sounds like I need to watch this. It was seriously. No, no, no. monologue last night changed my life. Because I was like, yeah, because I, because everyone hated that friend group the entire time, everyone hated them. And something about it, I was like, no, they love each other.

And I know they love each other. You do. Okay, Pink, what did we learn today? Well, I honestly learned a lot about you. You learned a lot about me. I learned a lot about you. What did you learn? Well, I learned that you won like a lot of Japanese restaurants in the UK.

I mean, that's, I mean, come on. That's rookie, rookie numbers, as I said, you have OCD. Uh-huh. You enjoy going on tour and that you make it obvious when your joke didn't land. Uh-huh. You know what I called Nuggets. Nuggets? Do you guys call them out over here?

Like a punchline. The Nugget didn't land. Oh, okay. I like that. That's a good nugget. Yeah. I mean, yeah. I learned that you're perfectionist, but it's tied back to your OCD.

Uh-huh. And you've actually done a lot of work on your OCD because of exposure therapy and you're able to turn those negative receptors off. in your head. Yeah. And that you're a really, really fun time. Thank you.

And I love hanging out with you. That's really sweet. You are amazing. You're so funny. You're so funny. Did you, what did you, well,

I mean, you said you listened to music. What did you expect something coming in? Or did you kind of like, I thought, I didn't think you were good. I knew you were funny.

I did not think you were going to be this funny. Really? Yes. I did not think you were going to be this funny. Like, I thought I was going to be. The leader. Like,

I thought I was going to be. I'm a star. No, I thought I was going to be way more intimidated. And like, really, because like, I don't know. I thought you were going to be like, I'm the coolest. Like, I don't know. Like, I don't know what I was expecting. I was scared.

That's really funny. As in, you thought I was going to be on like some stash shit. Some, like, superstars shit. Some, like. But you got really vulnerable and really honest and really fucking funny. That is just, I will say that's so interesting. I'm really on site the record straight. I'm not that at all.

I know. I, well. Well. No, you are so fun. And thank you. Thank you. Thank you for being here. Well, pink. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for being here.

I sold my car in Carvana last night. Well, that's cool. No, you don't understand. It went perfectly. Real offer, down to the penny. They're picking it up tomorrow. Nothing went wrong. So what's the problem? That is the problem. Nothing in my life goes a smoothie. I'm waiting for the catch. Maybe there's no catch. That's exactly what a catch would want.

me to think. Wow, you need to relax. I need to knock on wood. Do we have wood? Is this tablewood? I think it's laminated. Okay, yeah, that's good. That's close enough. Car selling without a catch. So your car today on Carvana. Pick up these may apply.