Therapuss with Jake Shane - Session 85: The Kid Laroi

Episode Date: July 24, 2025

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50-50 if my zippers up or down anymore. Take my pants off at home. They come off easy. I'm like, I thought it was four hours I was walking around. Netflix is a joke presents. Nate Bargatsy, Big Dumb Eyes World Tour, a special live taping at Into a Dome. I think it's because I'm peeing so much longer.

I watch young people come and go. I'm like, tell my family I'm okay. Nate Bargatsy, May 9th and 10. Live at Into Adome. Get tickets at Netflix is ajokefest.com. Hi Pussies, welcome back to Therapus. Tonight we have the Kid Leroy on. It's a great episode.

I am so excited for you guys to listen to it. In terms of news with me, I guess nothing is new. I'm finally back in Los Angeles, which has just been unbelievable. Okay? This is my favorite city in the entire world. I know where I've been. I've been watching Mr. Robot. And now if you're wondering, what is Mr. Robot?

It was a show released a few years, a while ago with Rami Malick. And it's just unbelievable. It was recently added to Netflix and the whole show has become my entire personality. My entire day revolves around when I can watch this show. I'm on season four, which is the final season. But it's like a thriller. It's pretty intense. And it's about, um,

a hacker. Okay? I don't really know what else to say, you guys. Yeah. Tour's over. I don't really... Sometimes I just... Sometimes I'm out of things.

Like, I don't really know what's going on. Aside from that, enjoy the episode. It's a fun one. I hope you guys love it. And to submit, tell me what's wrong, go to pass that post.com. Leave a name and number if you're feeling fancy. Okay.

Love you, pussies. Honestly, sorry, I've had the worst day ever. That's fine. But you've made my day so much better. Thanks. Did you have a good day? I've had a pretty good day. I've had a decent day.

Like, not too good, not too bad. I went to the gym. I've been going to the gym a lot, which is like a really, been a really cool thing for me. It's just, like, the most, like, discipline I've had when it comes that stuff. I've always kind of, like, in and out, gone to the gym. But now I've been, like, really, like, focusing on it, like, meal, eating, like, good meals and stuff like that. What do you mean eating good meals? Like do you like, like, how do you stay regimented with that?

Eating my veggies. Oh, okay, right, right, right. Do you cook? I do sometimes. I actually know you cook. Yeah, I was going to say, I was going to say, you definitely know that, right? Yeah, I know you cook. I know you heard about my chicken paccato.

Yes, I did hear about your chicken paccata. Did I? Yes, I must have. If you didn't, that might be concerning. Yeah, no, I've heard about you. I know that you do cook. Yeah, I think you like, are you on like a diet? I'm not really on a diet, but I'm on, I'm doing.

I'm eating like five meals a day. Are you trying to bulk up? Yeah, a little bit. I'm trying to get a little bit of size. I see, like, I'm so jealous of you that that's what you get to do. Like, you're like, I have to eat five meals a day. It's, it's a little, it's like, it gets annoying. Are you like, do you ever, are you ever like, I'm going to be sick?

I've had feelings like that for sure. I'm like, oh my God, I'm so fool. How am I going to do this? But you're just like, it's just power through. A discipline thing, yeah. Right. Because, yeah, I don't know. And it helps me, like, I feel like what I've realized about myself is that I need to have

some type of routine in my life for my, to be sane, basically. Yeah, I got that. I have to have something. So, like, the gym is just, like, a good thing. It's like a good, healthy habit. It's something that I have to, like, think about. If not, I'm just too, like, all over the place. And, yeah.

Yeah. I love the gym. I feel like, I, maybe that's why I had such a bad day today, honestly. I didn't go today and didn't go yesterday and I was in such a shit mood all day today I was like it's definitely because I didn't work out Are you still running up Allo? Yeah I do

I used to think cardio was like running all the time But I realized like I can kind of hack the system By just walking on incline Yeah And it's like do you know what I'm talking about? Yeah I know And it's like 12 330 don't get me started

What what 12 330 Tell me about it So it's the 12 incline. So you put the incline to 12, speed to 3. So you're like not doing too much. And then you go for 30 minutes. And you would think it's not too much. But like at minute 15, you're like, wait, why is this hard?

And then you're like dripping sweat. And then you get like 20,000 steps. I mean, you look great. I was going to ask, do you think I look good? You didn't even have to ask. I know. Do you think like, because everyone keeps saying to me like, wait, have you lost weight? I'm not even just kidding.

But like everyone's saying that to me. So I just want to see if you also agreed. I agree. Okay. I think you look. Great. Thank you. That's what I think.

Thank you. Everyone keeps saying, like, my weights got smaller. Like, I'm feeling it, and it's because of 12-3-30. I'm sorry. I'm kind of going off on a tangent. No, no. It's just, like, been on my mind lately. I love it.

Maybe I got to come to it one day. To Allo? Maybe. What do you usually do when you're in the gym? I just do old, like, weight stuff. Mm-hmm. Do you go alone with friends? Sometimes they go alone.

Sometimes I'll bring a friend. I feel kind of bad sometimes for my trainer because I, sometimes I'll just bring, like, a random friend every day and I'll just be like hey this my friend yeah I get that and he's like wait you're fucking up my shit but not even though he's actually like dope but I just I just feel a little bad because I'm like fuck like I'm just bringing so many people

yeah I got that I got that and his space what was I going to say to you so what are your how have you been when's the last time I saw you I want to say the last time you saw me was at both streets no

that was a great meal It was a good meal. It was a great meal, but I think we wanted, like, I forgot how social Bird Streets was. Yeah. I remember being so tired. I remember Tate being so tired as well as us being like, oh, like, I feel like we're in a nightclub eating dinner. The vibe was definitely like, we were like, all right, we want to have a night out tonight, but none of us felt like having, like, like, genuinely having a night out. Yeah.

So they were trying to force having a night out. I think there was, like, there was, I couldn't even, we had conversations that I couldn't even hear what you were telling. I hear a word. So I was just like, oh, yeah. Yeah. And it's like, yeah, it's like, yeah. Yeah. But yes, that is the last time I saw you.

And then before that, I saw you at Tate's album release. And then probably Tate's show in New York where I got so drunk at that after. Remember that after party? I got so blackout drunk that I had. I went to the airport with my best friend. Yeah. And I was like dancing around the airport. I was just like feeling good.

Like, you know, like, like my hands. over it. I was drunk as fuck, honestly. And then I looked at a video that she took of me and I was like, wait, where's my backpack? And I realized I left my backpack with my computer, my iPad. And the backpack itself was like a gift from a friend and it was really expensive in an Uber. And I had to, we, I was like, I can't get on this flight right now. And I had to walk. And you skipped the flight.

Yeah. I walked upstairs all the way through security. He came back, dropped me off my backpack, rebooked a new flight, went through security a second time. oh my god like i have the shivers when i got home i like really like thought about becoming religious i was like i don't think i can never drink again where are we now where are we now um i actually did the same thing the other day so nowhere nowhere else good wait so will you are working on new music i am can we talk about it sure okay are you excited yeah i'm so excited i'm really excited i'm always excited to drop music i think that's like yeah i'm excited i'm excited i get another

though obviously like everyone does I think you know this I guess I'm always like I guess with every project I'm kind of like sonically trying new things usually most of the time so that's always a little like scary you know going into a project being like never really put out something like this before that sounds like this and how is it going to be received and all that but I don't know I'm excited I remember when you did your album totally blanking on the title but all the references were 824 films oh yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So fucking sick. Thanks, bro.

But what are your sonic references this time around? You know, I've been making, like, a lot of happy music, a happy feeling music, which is cool. But, I mean, I guess there's some sad songs on there, too, but it's, like, a majority of just, like, a majority kind of, like, upbeat stuff. And, like, kind of, like, R&B vibe. Lots of R&B references, for sure.

Right. A little bit of, like, a little bit of, like, Farrell, Neptunes-E. reference I heard that and the stuff you sent me yeah yeah yeah I've been listening to uh Destiny's Child

you have what songs the Destiny's Filled album yes I love that album I used to go through like I went through like a really really big Destiny's Child

Fate Destiny Child okay that's awesome Destiny's Child's Oh my God I'm just gonna smash my head into the fake wall No you go When I was like in sixth grade, I remember going through all of their discography and being like, this is just the best thing to ever happen to America. I mean, that's how I, that's kind of how I feel about the Destiny's Fulfilled album.

It's insane. Have you ever seen Beyonce live? I just got to see it alive. You saw Cowboy Carter? Incredible. How was it? It was really inspiring. I'm so jealous.

And I'm not saying that because we're on a podcast. I'm saying that because I generally told everybody after that. Like I got a lot of people's shows. I always see a lot of people's shows. and it's interesting going to another person's show as an artist because I feel like you're there and like there is a part of you that's like looking from an artist's perspective where you're kind of like not judging the show

but you're like you're really you're really paying attention right well because you know everything going on behind the scenes it's like almost like the curtains ripped from you exactly so you know what it takes you know it's kind of it's different than just going I don't know yeah you kind of know what I mean so I feel like when I went to you know I've gone to a lot of different people who should shows and I've seen people I really love to see perform whatever but like you don't always walk away from a show feeling like damn like I want to do something like that I definitely walked away from our show like whoa like I'm inspired like I like want to think of ideas for my tour I want to you know yeah right super inspiring no I know I know what you mean though because um not that I'm an actor of any sorts but like after I like um acted and um like the first thing I ever did which was hacks I started watching TV just like I a tad differently because I realized when they have you've acted before right yeah yeah I was in a movie

yeah like that's from I know I know but it feels weird to be like I'm inactive because right like you're an actor well you've acted I've acted right but you know how they will like shoot a scene four different times from four different angles oh yeah so like when I'm like watching well like when I'm watching something like sometimes I'll think like oh they probably shot this scene from a wide angle, this angle, this angle, it just makes me view it differently. Do you feel like that's kind of how you view concerts a little bit? Yeah, a little bit for sure.

And like, yeah, because again, you know, you know everything that goes into it, like how, you know, in terms of like how much money it costs to put on a show. Oh, right. Well, that's just one element of it, obviously. And then as well, like what it, you know, like what it takes to be on stage.

And like, you know, that's like a hard thing to be up in front of a bunch of people. and doing it. But I think the biggest thing is that, yeah, when you see like a full production, that's like pulled off and you're like, wow, they really spent like, obviously money, but time, you know, spent a lot of time.

It looks like, wow, they spent a lot of time rehearsing this going back to back. Because I know, like, how much time I spend, and my stuff is like, not even, my shows are not nearly as, like, intricate as Beyonce's. So I'm like, wow, like, it's really crazy to, yeah, like you see the time. and the money and everything that was spent

and put into it and like all how many people are like walking to make it happen and just I mean she's also just like like her uh or her stage presence is just like insane is insane yeah I remember seeing I didn't get to see Cowboy Carter because I think I had like just gotten back from from something I remember just being feeling like dead and then but I did see Renaissance and it was just I wish I saw that dude I wish I saw that like oh my god

I do you like that album I do I do I love I loved that I love that album and so seeing that live was just like electric honestly that would have been really cool even just thinking about hearing that album live would be really cool it was fun it was fun

it was very like dancey and euphoric and yeah it was fun do you deal with like chronic anxiety you know I like it's gotten a lot better it's definitely gotten a lot better and part of that I would definitely credit to like gym and like eating a little better

I don't eating better makes you less anxious it does I know I genuinely believe it I think it does no I know you're you're correct I know it's just it's a hard pill to swallow yeah I also like I stopped like smoking as much weed I used to smoke weed

every day and now I don't smoke weed I remember talking you about this I didn't smoke I smoked in almost six months. Wow. That's good. How good do you feel? So good. But how hard was it to stop?

Yeah, it's hard. It is hard. It is hard. Because it's like, it's like the thing you like, I don't know. This is like, this is bad. I used to like, my whole rule was like, all right, I'm not going to smoke in the day. We have the same person until 6 p.m. Still 6 p.m. Yep.

Yeah. And then that's going to be my reward. Yes. Like getting through the day. No. That's just like. I've been there. Yeah.

So you get used to that like, you get used to that routine of like, like, you know, oh, and then being like, oh, I need this to relax. But when I stopped smoking weed for, and, you know, I'm not, I'm not perfect still, but I've stopped smoking every day. And it feels like I, like, came up from being underwater. Yeah. You know, my brain got so much clearer. And that's just the type of, like, that's just the type of, that's just, like, how it is for me. I know people who, like, need it.

Are just fine. You know, smoking every day. They're, like, super clear. super normal. Just what it does for me is just like it definitely increases my anxiety a lot. You too. But like after the fact. Yeah.

You know, which is weird. It's like it's like the it's like the like yeah. It was like it's like the first 10 minutes are great where at least for me it was like I. Well, the issue for me was like I would wake up every day and then I'd be like, okay, like I need to smoke like when is it 6 p.m. Like I'm going to freak out. And then oftentimes I'd be like, well, it's two.

Yeah. But whatever. I was definitely having days like that. Yeah. And then it's like when I started doing this a lot more, I was like, this isn't good because I'm like, I'm like talking to people and I'm like, should I be high right now? Like, or like, you know what I mean?

Like could I be? And then it's like, and then it was also like I was like putting out like stuff and I was getting really anxious about it. Yeah. But only when I was high. Yeah. So every. And I was like, fuck, like I just don't need to feel this way.

Yeah. That's that's facts. Because sometimes I'll get, like, if I get, like, high and I listen to my music, or if I, like, see, like, something from a photo shoot or, like, something that I posted or something that doesn't bother me, I'll be high and I'll be, like, damn, should this bother me? Like, oh, damn, does this sound really bad? Or, like, damn, does this, you know? You just, like, perceive yourself in such a different way and you get so in your head.

Yeah. That's when I realized I was, like, I need to just, like, take a break. And I took a week break and then a two-week break. And then it's been six months because I'm just, like, such an addictive person that, like, if I start again, like, I will not fucking stop. That's how I am, too. I definitely, I'm definitely a, I'm definitely, like, routine person

slash potentially addictive personality. Yeah. It's fine. I think everyone is. But yeah, I, yeah, so I don't know. I guess I say that to say, like, that helped a lot with my anxiety and working out and doing all those things.

Because I think, yeah, I'm nervous all the time. Do you get social anxiety? Yeah. Sometimes. Yeah. Sometimes I'm great, though. It's not like a 24-7 thing, but like, yeah. When did you move to L.A.?

I moved to L.A. when I was just on 16. Do you feel like your anxiety got worse once you moved here? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, 100%. Right. Yeah. One million percent.

Right. For a fact, yeah. What year was that when you were 16? You're 21 now. You're 21 now. So I would have been 2019. Wow. Yeah.

What was that like moving here from Australia? It was crazy. It was really crazy because I came over here first for the first, well, for the first three months of being in America, I was like on a tour bus on the Jews tour. Uh-huh. And not even performing, just like tagging along. Oh, really?

Yeah. And then when that ended for like three months or whatever, a couple months, I was living in Juice's house, just like by myself. Like, his manager lived in the house. He lived in the house. A couple of his friends lived in the house. And, like, I was there for a couple months. Which at, like, 16 is pretty, like, you know.

I mean, I didn't feel, like, I don't know. Like, at the, at 16, you're like, yeah, I'm a fucking adult. Right. Of course. But, like, like, looking back, I'm like, wow, that's, like, really crazy. Then I was able to move my mom out here, my little brother shortly after that and have some family over here, which is good. But, I mean, it was a fucking, it was a crazy, that was a crazy time period for sure, taking all that in. Because it's like, not only is it, not only, like, moving to a whole other country, you're, like, moving into a country, then into, like, the entertainment space, like, full on, you know?

like we're going to like shows with juice on like private jets and like doing all this like you know kind of like I was kind of taken in all of that before I was even in the position where I was like doing that myself so it was a very like well thing I think I was just really happy I felt at the time just like happy to be that though yeah I'm just being like wow this is crazy did he did juice find you like via online like were you uploading stuff online so I think he he I think how he found me was through his management who found me. I'm not quite sure how they found me, but they reached out to me to sign me. And I'm pretty sure they would have showed him. Right. And would have said, hey, this kid, like... Were you uploading stuff online now?

Yeah, on, like, SoundCloud, YouTube, all that stuff. I had one song on Spotify. And, yeah. And how did you get into, like, music? When did you start making music? I've been making music ever since I was like young um I mean I don't know I was just always like I just always loved music my mom played a lot of music around the house my my real dad was a musician um but I like I don't I don't I wouldn't necessarily say like that was like what made me want to be a musician I think it was just like I don't know I just really

I just really love the way stories were told through music. I love the way, like, I remember when I was, like, a little kid watching, like, I remember watching the, it was, like, there was two, two videos. I remember watching. It was the Eminem Superman video randomly. Yeah. And the Tupac, I think it was either the Dear Mama video or the Brenda's got a baby video. Uh-huh.

And I just remember being like, whoa, this is, like, this is crazy. and just being like really drawn to it so it kind of just then from there it kind of became a way for me to just I don't know like express feelings or whatever through music

I think it was like a big thing for me as a kid like instead of talking about feelings or whatever it was like a cool outlet to like do and it was cool and yeah and then you would just like you would write and then just like

yeah I would write like to like YouTube beats or something and take my mom's phone and like record on my mom's like phone like a video of me doing it or sometimes like my mom would record me rapping and oh that's really sweet

yeah but yeah so I don't know I just kind of was around music a lot and just really just was like drawn to it and obviously it like I guess it runs in my blood I guess you know so so yeah but I think I think that's what it was it was really attracted to like

being able to express yourself through that way, I think. Yeah. Yeah. Do you remember, like, something you put out and you felt like, oh, I'm, like, in this space now? Like, I've made it as, like, the Kid Leroy. Yeah. I mean, there's a few different, like, little milestones.

I think, I definitely think, like, when I, like, when I did the, my first Col Bennett video, With lyrical lemonade, I think that was like a huge, like, whoa, I've like, this is like really, really happening. You know, I felt little bits of it. Like, you know, when I won like a high school radio competition, like that was cool, whatever. But the first real feeling of like, okay, wow, this is like really happening was when the first lyrical lemonade when I did that video.

And I was like, what video did you do for Lyrical Lominee? It was called Song Cold Let It Go. Okay. And it was like, me. I was in like an orange beanie and like a dicky suit. And it was really funny because Cole at the time I think I was like, I probably wanted to wear just like a bunch of like, I don't know, random like designer and shit like that.

And Cole was like, no, no, no, I have, I have like, have this like vision for you. I think I think you should wear a dicky suit with this beanie. And I remember at the time being like, what the fuck? Like, why are you like giving me? And I'm so happy that like he did that because like I look back on that video and I'm like, wow. And now I'm like, now I'm like so into that. But, you know, I was like, I was like 15 or 16.

I just wanted to fucking like. Wear like sign our all. I just wanted to pop my shit. Yeah. And he was like, no, no, no. You should, you should wear this. And he was like, just trust me. Trust me.

Trust me. I was like, all right, cool. You still work with Cole. Yeah. I mean, we've done a bunch of shit recently. That's my boy. I mean, we talk every now and then. Actually, you know, it's funny.

I've phacetimed him the other day. And I was just like, you know, I miss you, bro. What's going on? He was like, I think he was in New York or something, but, yeah, that's my guy. I love him. We've also, like, we got a chance to, like, we would never, like, really disconnected, but we got a chance to, like, really, really reconnect on a deeper level than I think ever before through Justin, too. Because him and Justin became friends, like, randomly.

I'm not sure how that happened, maybe just, like, online or something. I don't know. They met somehow, and then we, like, reconnected through Justin and, like, And I think now, like, and we even, I think, like, broke a layer that, like, we'd never even, like, got to before, which was cool. Yeah. And then you and Justin, did you meet the, uh, making stay together, or did you meet before that? No, he, um, he DMed me on Instagram in, I want to see, is he the late 2020 or the beginning of 2021? You freaking out?

Oh, my God. I can't even imagine. I was in my bedroom and I was living with my mom at the time. and I think I had woken up, or it was like the afternoon, I was in my bedroom, and I went to my DMs, and I literally remember being like, yeah, mom, mom, mom, mom, guess who, guess who, guess who, what's going on? And, yeah, I was like, I was, like, so excited.

And he was basically just like, yo, like, love your stuff. And I was like, oh, my God, thanks. Like, I'm a huge fan. And then he'd hit me up, like, a month or two later. and it's like, hey, I think I have a song for us. And it was a song Unstable and the Justice record. And, yeah, so then I was kind of like, damn, I got to send him one back for my thing.

And Stay was a song that we had made, like months before. Dare I even say, like, maybe like nine months before or something. I was just sitting in the notes and it was like an unfinished song. And I remember we were going through at the time, like, what he would sound good on. And we were just like, damn, he'd sound really good on this. Like, we don't really see this being, like, my own song kind of thing.

Like, it's really good. We always really loved it, but it didn't really fit with what the, with the album, or whatever the project was at the time, was sounding like. So we kind of, like, you know, we always loved the idea, but kind of, like, like, as doesn't really fit. Sent it to him, and he was like, yo, this was fucking crazy. he did the verse he like invited me to pull up to studio he got he got in the booth and he like line for line just freest out his verse and it was like oh way yeah it was like the craziest it was so

crazy because i feel like yeah i feel like people don't give him enough credit as like how good a writer yeah they don't you know he's like an incredible writer and like extremely talented musician and like i've seen it myself you know so that was like really really uh yeah it was really special and i remember i was a little like freaked out about about it because I was kind of like, damn, like, is this song, like, too, like, pop for my project, which is so weird because, like, I don't know. Like, you know, I don't know. I was just kind of thinking that at the time, like, is this too pop or is this like whatever?

So I was like, yo, do you want to take this for your album? Like, I don't know if it fits on my album. Like, I don't know. Like, and he was like, bro, like, you're tripping. Like, this song is like, you got to keep that. Like, you got to put that under your name. Like, he's like, this is a smash. Wow.

And I was like, and I always love the song. You know, the day that I made it, I put a snippet up on my Instagram because I loved it. But I was just in my head about like, damn, are people going to think like, I don't know. Are people going to think like, oh, damn. Like, I'm like, I don't know, selling out or something. I don't know. I had like all these weird thoughts in my head. And he was just like, bro, this is a smash.

You got to put it out. Right. And so I did that and he was right. Did you, you posted a snippet on TikTok? I posted a snippet on my Instagram stories. And did it just like take off from the snippet? Yeah, so everyone, everyone was like, yo, drop stay, drop stay before, like. And then even know Justin was on it.

No, yeah, exactly. This was like, and it just kind of like was a thing. Then we put the song in the notes, but the fans were just like, yo, like you gotta drop this, drop this job. I remember me and Blake, do you know Blake? Slackin? Yeah. I know of. So me and Blake were, uh, well.

to the in and out at USC. Wait, sorry, UCLA. That is like the best in and out in L.A. Sorry. No, I, no, it's okay. So we were walking there and one night

because he used to live, like, right around the corner from there. And like, there were these kids who like, Roeb Pust and they were like, yo, Leroy, you got a drop stay. Like, it was crazy. It was like a thing. And then Justin got on it.

And it was just like, yeah. It was just, yeah. Did that song? I, like, weirdly remember that song, like, almost just, like, immediately taking off. Yeah, it did. I mean, yeah, I mean, it was, it was pretty, like, it's pretty, yeah. Yeah, I guess it did, actually, because, yeah, it came out the gate and it was pretty big. And, I mean, obviously, anything that Justin gets on, it's like.

Turns to gold. Immediately. Yeah. You know, so. Yeah. But, yeah. So, yeah. And, but I was really surprised at, like, how it.

because we thought like okay it's going to be like a big most week and like you know you're always anxious like damn it's just like a real thing and it just kept going and it was like a really crazy thing to to watch yeah was that like another one of was that like your moment where you're like where you were able to like pick your head up and be like holy shit 100% it was like that whole little time period I remember I got I got like COVID right after it too so yeah that was COVID yeah I got COVID right after it so it's just like

in a hotel room and just like kind of watching it all happen and it was pretty no late. Did you lose your taste and smell when you got COVID? I think I lost my smell. I didn't lose my taste. Did you? I lost both, yes. I hope some people like never got it back. Okay, so I honestly, I don't know if I've ever fully gotten it back.

I want to say I have now. But no, I'm so fucking dramatic. I know. Chase, come on. You don't have your taste and smell? Stop it. But I couldn't. Okay, so I lost my taste and smell.

And I remember being, that was the worst. I, like, I felt like shit for like a day. And then I just couldn't taste or smell shit. And I was like, oh, this might be the worst thing to actually ever happen to me. I like remember, oh, I'm going to throw up. The first food I ever got to eat, seriously, like, I don't know what was going through my head, but I ordered a pokey bowl. Ooh.

So. From where is the? It was, I was in Laguna Beach. It was, like, great. Was it a random spot? No, no, no, no, it was legit. But, like, keep in mind, I can't taste anything. Yeah.

Nor smell. Right. So the texture of raw fish, when you can't taste or smell, okay, so the way I described it was like somebody ripped my lip off, cut up my lip, and fed it to me. It tasted, like, chopped up lip. That's bad. It was so bad.

That's really bad. And then, yeah, I couldn't smell for a really long time. So I remember being in my apartment. cooking and was like Are you something on fire Like you're burning And I was like

What are you talking about She was like Can you not smell that And I like almost burnt my whole thing And like But that May It took me like a few months Like really get it back

Wow That's fucked up COVID was gnarly Yeah After I was like Clear it of COVID It still took a while To get my um

Smell My smell I think I think it was my smell Yeah My smell back So you But you really started To find success

During COVID though Right I did yeah Was that, like, weird? It was so weird because then, like, the first show I ever did was 2021. That was the first show you ever did? Well, not ever, ever. Like, I'd, like, open for people.

Right. But, like, that was your first headline show. It was my first, like, headline show. And I did, like, a Rolling Loud, Rolling Loud of Miami, 2021. Mm-hmm. And I just remember being so nervous because I was, like, fuck, like, it was just so much different than before. You know, it. It's like usually, I feel like as a touring artist, you have like, um, there's like steps,

you know, so you, then you start getting like a little bit bigger and you kind of like go through the, it feels like a natural progression most of the time. And because COVID happened, you know, the lost memory I had of doing a show, I think like I was, I think it was like opening for a little TJ. Uh-huh. So I think that was like the lost memory, you know, it was like opening it on a couple of those days. and then all of a sudden I had like a crazy slot at like rolling loud Miami and it was just like I was so I was like oh my god this is you know it just felt like such a different like gap because we because of how much it happened during COVID and we weren't able to tour or do anything so I was like really nervous and yeah but it was great it was fun it was so much fucking fun I remember that first and then my first tour tour was in 2022 why do I feel like you've been a okay So it's either I'm like mushing together 2021 to 2025

or I just feel like you've been around so much longer. I feel like, yeah. I feel like sometimes too. But then I really think about it. I'm like, no, the first time I ever remember hearing of you was 2019. Yeah. Yeah, because were you with internet money at the time? I wasn't with them.

Like I wasn't signed to them, but I worked a lot with them. Right. Yeah. Because I remember because they were at, I used to work out a label. And they were... You did? You didn't know this? No.

From 2020 to, why I say it like that? 2020 to, um, 2020. What were you doing? 23, sorry. I worked in international marketing. No fucking way. So I, my, the person I worked for, her name is Molly. Hi, Molly.

Um, hey. Yeah. Still very close with Molly. Okay. Yeah, she's great. Um, she worked like very closely with like Trippy Red. So like, oh yeah. Okay.

We like, I like, I would like, I would like, be on a lot of his stuff. with her. Like, she was like, okay, so like, basically, like, for a while I would, like, analyze international data and, like, international playlisting data and, like, see, like, where we needed to push the song, what playlist it needed to be on, like, what countries it was doing well in, like, I would get them to record liners. Like, fucking way. Yeah.

Like, hi, blah, blah. And you're listening to blah, blah, blah, blah on new hits now. Jake, that's crazy little. I know. And then I started doing production, not like music production, but, like, um, you know, um, you You know, when you're uploading a song, or I guess you wouldn't know, well, okay, so like, when you release a song, like, and you send it to the label to, like, be put out, there's somewhere on the production side of things at the label that will take all your credits.

Yeah. And write it in, I forget what the website's called, but this website, like, writers, and you upload the audio file and the artwork. It's just, like, uploading it to all the streamers. So I, and it's actually, like, super tedious and, like, low-key difficult. because you can't fuck up anything. Because if you fuck up, like, one thing, then the artist is like, why does it say this person wrote my song when they did it? You know what I mean?

I've had little, yeah, errors like that, I think, before in the post. No, it's, it's... Like cover arts. Yeah, cover arts get fucked. Visualized. You have to upload visual. It's just like... Yeah.

But so I did that for a while. Then after that, I became the assistant to this guy named Zach. You're like in the biz. Yeah, I was in... And then I wanted to go into A&R. So that's what my whole plan was for 2020. But Zach always made this joke. Like if anything ever happens, I'll manage you.

It was like a joke. But like I don't fuck. I don't joke. Does he manage to that? Yes. So now he does. Yeah. No fucking way.

Yeah. And so he, when my whole thing took off, like he was like, all right, because a bunch of agencies were reaching out. But I are, so was management. But like, I looked to him and I was like, wait, so like, do I need to like, can I just argue my manager? And he was like, yeah, you can ignore all the management stuff. Wow.

So then he took me to all the agencies that had reached out. and we have just been nonstop since then. He's like my best friend. Because I, all right, I need to, okay, great. That is crazy. Okay, so I, so somebody, I have a homie who she, she does my nails and she's a homie, she's a homie, she's super dope.

And she said that she remembers you from college doing like octopus reviews. No, I was making an octop. So basically, I interned at 10K, COVID summer, so 20, and then all of my junior year. And then they were like, okay, like, you need to finish school and come back to us. Because at the time, I wanted to drop out and just work there full time. Because I was like, I can't imagine working anywhere else. Like, everyone here is my best friend.

I love it. And that's what I want to do for the rest of my life. They were like, just take a break. Like, we need, other people need to intern. Like, you need to just enough. And so it's like, okay. And then that senior year, I like started that octopus account because I was just, I was going out all the time. I was bored.

Like, I just, like, it was just, I was just, I was smoking. Like, I was just, like, I was just thinking of stupid shit to do. Getting high and eating octopus? Yeah, essentially. That's great. And, like, I remember for, um, on the, like, that 420, I, like, ordered octopus and, like, was super high. It was like a whole, I'm telling you, like, I don't have these videos.

They're all, I still do them on occasion. Right. I still. But, like, the old ones. No, the old ones, they're all on there. All on there. So, like, my senior year, my best friend Brett would drive. me like three times a week would get octopus and I would just review it all around oh my god I'm like

getting like sad thinking about it like all around the city of los angeles like it was the most fun time ever was just like nothing mattered like I was like I thought I was so famous in like my own little world yeah like I was like like I'm not but well clearly you were a little bit so I still did I did that a lot and then I started posting just like other types of videos and then I just like went kind of like full throttle on TikTok and then it just kind of took off wow yeah what's the best octopus you've ever had. The best octopus I've ever had. Okay, so it's really good question. So I, so it, it, it, it's Angelini, Cafe Angelini in the Palisades. Okay. So, and they also have one in, I think, Fairfax or West Hollywood. It's like a crispy,

but tender octopus over a bed of arucla with lemon. And so the best part about a good octopus is if it's really crispy on the outside. Okay. And the inside is super tender. and I call it the chicken of the sea. So that's the best place I've ever had. And then also in Florence, Italy, I had this octopus once and it was like just unbelievable. Eight out of eight. So I rated it out of eight because they have eight tentacles.

Smart. It was the thing. I'm telling you. And then I like made someone make me merch my senior year. Like as my grad present, I made everybody buy it. So like, I guess it wasn't like a present. But, um.

Oh my god, my spawning! Thank you, I love you. Do you want sippy? What is it? Here, you can sip it before I sip it. It's a peanut butter blast. Oh, that's yummy. It's good, right?

I like that a lot. You can take another sip. I'm not very hungry, so it's no big deal. Thank you. What do you have for lunch today? What did I? I had salmon. Salmon with some rice, some greens.

steak. Same an ant steak? Yeah. Together. You made both. Like I separated them by like an hour and a half of the meals because I'm doing five meals a day. Five meals a day. So technically I have like, yeah, two lunches and two dinners, I guess.

Uh-huh. Right? Like an early lunch, a late lunch, early dinner, late dinner. And then breakfast in the morning. Fine. What do you need for breakfast? I always get the same thing. Scramble egg whites, chicken sausage.

From where? From just, I live in a hotel. Yeah, I live in a hotel. So, like, they have a restaurant downstairs. Since when? Dude. Since when? I remember you not living in a hotel.

I was living in a house for a while. I moved, I actually moved, it's been a while now. Let's see. I understand. It's been maybe like eight months, nine months. Why do you move to a hotel? I was living in a house in the valley. Uh-huh.

And I don't know. I was just like, it was just time to like, time to do it. Like, I feel like I just, I don't know. It was like. Time to live in a hotel. Yeah. Long story short. And I was like, I don't know.

I just wanted to kind of like experience living by myself for a second. And I was living with friends. And that was so much fun. And actually the night that we were like saying goodbye to the house, me and my friend, I have a friend shock. and he basically he moved from Japan to Los Angeles in at the beginning of 2022

and we met at a barbecue of a mutual friend and he because the guy that the guy's barbecue that it was his name's Callie, shout out Kelly he's best friends with Schock's dad didn't speak really any English at all and he was like standing

he was like, he was like the only other person that I think was like my age at the barbecue and I was like, yo, Callie, who is that? He's like, oh, that's Cubo's son. I was like, no way. So I went over and I was like, what's up, bro? And we just like, vibed out, had a conversation. I was like, should we go six flags tomorrow? Let's be friends.

Like, this is how old? Oh, I forgot. We were like, well, yeah, he was in college. Yeah. And he was like, he was like, yeah, because he was explaining to me. He was like, yo, it's been kind of like, it's been, he was kind of trying to say, I think that it was like a little harder for him like to make friends because he had just moved and he was still learning English and he was still trying to like get get a hang of everything. So I was like, oh, we should like be friends and you should come to Six Flags tomorrow.

And we literally did that. And then from like literally from there like two months later, he like moved in with me. And we like got a place together and me him and Dev who was out there. Live together at this little spot on Doheny and then we moved to oh moved to Enino together together. Right. So I'm just giving you a backstory because so basically Shock had like I've basically been living with me almost the entire time that he'd been over here. So on the last night, we like, we're having a couple drinks and we downstairs and the house

was all bucked up and we were like crying in the kitchen. Oh. It was like really emotional. We like, yeah, we're like. That's sweet. How long do you live together for like a year or two years? Two years. Two years.

Where does Shock live now? Shock lives at his prince's house in Silver Lake. Okay. So you get the same breakfast every day. egg whites. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Egg whites, sausage, potatoes.

Um, like a cold brew. Uh-huh. Do you do dairy? No. Neither do. Like, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, like, I don't, like, just not do dairy in general. I try to avoid it from my skin.

Is that a thing? I don't know. I think it is. Because every, so I used to be heavily addicted to ice cream. Like, like, addicted? Like, every night. Okay. Like, like, you were, like,

I can't go to bed without ice cream. It sounds hilarious. No, it's, I got a, like, you need a sweet treat. I used to get pro yo every night. Yeah, and I noticed my skin was, like, really bad from it. And one day my friend was just like, dude, it's probably all that fucking dairy. And I was like, I was like, all right, so I cut it out. Skin got better.

I stopped drinking a lot, too. Not that I was, like, drinking a lot a lot, but, like, you know, when you go, like, I don't know. I don't know. I feel like in L.A. It's really easy to just, like, go to a social event and, like, drink. I actually feel the opposite in L.A. Really? In New York, that's another story.

New York, I will drink every single day of the week because, like, it's just like, what am I going to do? Yeah, I don't know. I feel like, I don't know. I feel the same way about L.A. Like, if I go out, I'm pretty anxious. Yeah. I definitely am, like, I don't know. I had this thing for a while where I definitely felt like I need to have a drink to, like, talk to people.

Yeah. Because I'd just be, like, stiff. But I stopped, like, doing that and just saving it more for, like, special occasions or whatnot. And so cutting those two things out helped my skin a lot. And then now I notice every time I, like, eat some ice cream or, like, drink the night before. Like, my skin literally gets worse. And it, like, flares up. Yeah.

So I'm like, damn, that kind of, it's like, yeah. I don't know if adults are supposed to, like, well, because I know, like, I was about to make up some fake news thing about dairy And it's just like No go ahead I know I'm incorrect Let's hear it Okay so like I know that cats have dairy

When they're like younger And when they're like baby cats And then when they grow up They have water Because like your body can't process like lactose Or like the cat's body can't And so I'm like wondering if like humans are like the same vibe You know what's really funny

I've heard that before About humans not about cats I'm not even joking. I'm really serious. I've actually heard that something like we're not, like as an adult, you're not supposed to have a lot of dairy. Yeah.

I heard that. No, it's correct. And I, it's, it is correct. I knew it. I knew it wasn't big news.

So just, I don't know. I've heard it. But also I also heard random, this is really random, but I heard that like, I don't know like where I heard this, why I heard this,

but I heard that your body can only like digest a certain amount of protein at a time. That would make sense. And I was like, living by that rule for like the post whatever like for whatever here's my life and I asked my train it the other day I was like hey so like I'm putting this like double scoop in this thing like is it even good and he's like dude that's a myth I was like what he's like yeah it's like a lie that you can process protein at any time yeah all of it yeah do you believe in the white vice white rice first brown rice vibe I don't I'm not I'm not fully equipped to really speak on it speak on it but so but what rice do you have i have white but i heard brown is a lot healthy employee but then i also heard that that's not true it's probably not i eat white rice i feel just fine i prefer white rice i love white rice it's my favorite food in the entire world do you like wouldn't like put a soy sauce on that too well i used to my my white rice order um at this restaurant that actually just

reopens called isaicaa um was oh on west third um i used to live across from it so i would go every day and I would get a bowl of white rice, soy sauce, spicy mayo, and tempera flakes, and I would mix it all together. And then I would also put crispy onions on top. Wow. And it really filled me up. And then now sometimes I get white rice and I pour like a dab of truffle oil in and soy sauce. Truffle oil.

It will change your life. That's really creative. So when I had COVID, I actually couldn't taste truffle for four months. And that's actually how I knew that I got my smell and taste back. I had truffle fries and I was like Have you been to Ta-Tat too? No, Toscano

Tuscano? Tuscans my favorite restaurant in L.A. Do you know about the secret truffle pizza? What do you mean the secret truffle pizza? Like the white truffle pizza? Yes, it's the best truffle pizza in L.A. Yeah, yeah.

But like, okay, great. That's why I was... Yes, it is... It is the best travel pizza in L. It is the best... I've had it... Yeah. What's your order there?

I mean, obviously, when they have the white truffle pizza, I'm definitely wearing that. So fucking fucked up good. I love, like, the... chicken milanese. Yeah. Milanase and their desserts are really good there too. They have like a chocolate tart.

Yes, they do. It's fucking crazy. They do. I usually get, I usually have them make me an angel hair, alio, oleo, because they have it. Wow. But what I love about Toscana is that they treat you like family. Like, I feel like they treat everybody like family. They do.

Do you know what I mean? I like the bread. They give you at the start. Oh, the bread. You should go to Toscana. Dude, I'm so down. That's like my favorite Italian restaurant in Los Angeles. It's up there for sure.

It's one of mine too. Wait, I'm so excited to ask you, what are you therapist about today? Do you want to go first? Yeah, so I had a really bad day. So I can't like get into specifics, but there was like, so I woke up, something great happened. And I was like, oh my God, BDE, best day ever.

And I was like, this is going to be amazing, like, what great news to start my day. Yeah. But I didn't work out. And I was off to a weird start because of it. and then I got one piece of bad news And then I did like a shoot thingy That was like great But like I did it under the presumption of the first piece of bad news

Like I was doing the shoot having just received that bad news And then we went to lunch And then as I was sitting down I got another piece of bad news that like Was just I can't that one I can't even get into But like that one I was just like Cool cool cool Right after the shoot, right before we got in the car to lunch, I got another piece of bad news.

And then, yeah, it was like three things back to back to back to back. And it sucked and I was in a horrible mood. And then I watched the rehearsal and felt a little better. You watched the rehearsal? Yeah. Do you really? I'm up to date. I'm not up to date.

I just started. I'm on season one. Oh, you're on season one? Yeah, but it's really funny. I guess I'm therapist that you're not caught up. I know. I know. Is that what you're going to use as your therapist?

No. Okay, cool. But I am a therapist about it. I know. I'm going to catch, I'm like after this. I'm going to sit down and watch it on my TV. I mean, season one's incredible.

I've heard season two is like, he's just a fucking, he's a little genius, dude. I don't know how else to explain it. He's just a fucking genius. I was in, it was in the first episode where the guy lies,

or he's like lied about his master's degree for the, in the trivia game. And do you, do you remember this? I mean, yeah, I mean, There was a lot that went on in that post.

But yeah. I've heard towards the end of season one, it gets like fucking ridiculous. Oh, no. It's the most ridiculous of all the time. It just keeps getting ridiculous and ridiculous. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What are you watching? Well, no.

What are you therapists about? Okay, what am I therapist about? Okay, great. I don't know. You know, today there wasn't a lot of, like, bad stuff that happened. I mean, I, I guess I'm therapist. I mean, I don't know. This wasn't even bad, but I, I don't know.

I was hanging out with a friend today, and they were just going through something. And so I was therapist for him. Oh, you're an empath. A little bit of empath. Damn. It makes mine seem so selfish. No, no, not at all. Yours is understandable as well.

I understand that. So I was kind of, yeah, I guess I took on his feeling of feeling that way. He was going through some stuff And I Yeah, I was I was therapist Therapist for him For sure So yeah

And I mean my salmon was like Okay today Every time you say salmon It makes me nauseous How do you cook in a hotel room? Well, it's not a hotel room It's a residence It's an apartment

You know what I think that should be my next move And you had to go down to the hotel restaurant every morning You just charge it to your room I pay because I don't, I pay in the moment because I don't like doing the charge to the room thing because I think that's a very slippery slope. It is. It's fake money.

Yeah. And then you get the bill at the end of the month and you're like, whoa. Yes. I can't even even though it's a residence, can you order room service? Oh yeah. Full body chills. Yeah. I am going to live in a hotel after this.

You should. Yeah. There's a few of them, but my one I think is, I'm not trying to brag, but. Yeah. You should come. But you know, they're opening up. in Amon in Beverly Hills. Oh, damn.

Are they going to have residence? Yeah, the Amon usually has residents, I think. Wow. Have you, the Amon's my favorite hotel in the entire world? I really want to go to the Amon in Kyoto. Tokyo. It is apparently fucking insane. I thought it's the craziest thing for all the time.

Oh, my God, I think I want to go right now. I think I actually need to go right now. I think that's going to be my birthday gift to myself. The one in, the one in Utah. Oh, Amangiri. Oh, is it different? No, that's not, no, no. Yeah, yeah, that's one.

Okay, yeah. That's how I first heard of it, but I'd never been. That one looks pretty cool, too. Yeah, like, the Kyoto one I've heard is like, I had a friend went there and, like, he literally had no words when it came back. He was just like, bro, is the best thing of all the time. Like, what? You just like, you just have to go. I think I'm going to call my best friend Alice after this and say, you know what, for my birthday, we are going to go to Kyoto.

That'd be fucking far. What are you watching right now? What am I watching? It's a great question. I mean, obviously the rehearsing. Russell has been what I've been really excited about. Like the other night I saw like a new episode came out and I watched it. I was so excited.

Is it funny this season? Or is it? Yeah. I mean, it's always. Yeah. It's fucking hilarious. That's what I'm confused about because I'm like, is it funny? Because I just watched one episode and everyone's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like.

I don't understand. Because Nathan for you was like laugh out loud hysterical. Yeah. It's different because like there is like this very serious elements of it. But he's just fucking hilarious. I don't know how to he's like, he'll like, and yeah, he's just, he's just hilarious. Like, and, but, I mean, I don't know. I don't want to spoil it for you, but like, part of the bit a little bit of the whole thing is like, he's like, I'm trying to tackle a serious issue, but.

Right. HBO gave me money to make me a, to, for me to make a comedy show. So I have to make this kind of funny. And that's like a. Well, I can't tell if he's fucking with, like, fucking with everyone or like serious ever. Exactly. I don't know if, like, it's, I would. love to meet him. Long story short. I would love to meet him. He, first of all, the manny who

came in with the smoothie, met him last night. No. Yes. And I saw him in my hotel. I was staying at the Bowery in New York and I saw him twice. Did you say hi? No, because like I felt fraudulent because like, well, I did see some Nathan for you. Like I wasn't like a rehearsal stand yet. So I couldn't be like big fan. That's respectable. You know? I think that's actually really respectable. I think like with comedians, like, sometimes since they're always feeling like, like comedians are sometimes very different than who they, like, present themselves as, just because, like, they're performing, you know, and, like, sometimes it's nice to not be on.

And, like, I feel like in a hotel elevator, like, it's the last place he'd want to be, like, cornered. That's really cool. You thought about that 100%. I probably would have pissed my pants. Really? You big Nathan Fielder fan? Huge.

I think he's just fucking hilarious. and I wouldn't have been able to help myself. Yeah, I mean, there's always those people. I just, I didn't feel that way about him enough. Oh, you want to, speaking of these type of stories, the most starstruck I've ever been in my life. Uh-huh. Like, even, I've been super sure,

I guess, starstruck all the time about people I really fuck with. And, like, but I'll always, like, say, hey, big fan, whatever. Right. I saw Larry David. I saw him at Toscarna once. No, fucking. Yes. That feels like a fucking Larry David's spot

I feel like he totally would go there I saw that Tuscada once Wow I saw Larry David We were at like a I think it was the like the Vanity Fair Party Like the Oscar after party And I saw him from afar

And I was like holy shit And I went to walk towards him And then I literally was like I can't do this I turned around and I walked away And I totally blew my shirt at meeting him because I was that, like, geeked.

I was like, I don't even know what I'm going to, like, I don't know what I'm going to say. I don't know what I'm going to do. This is better off his left. And he's the type to be like, thanks. He's had to be like, fuck off. Yeah. In the best way possible.

And I'd be okay with that, but I was just like, I don't know if I'm ready to do all that right now. Were you a big curb fan? Yeah. Yeah. So you watch a lot of comedies. It's my favorite. Do you watch hacks?

No. You would like hacks. I would like hacks. I will. I will check it out. No, it's great. What's it? What's like the premise?

So the premise is it's this older comedian played by Gene Smart. Okay. And she basically needs to revere up her career. So her agent, who also reps this up-and-coming writer, named David Daniels, played by Hannah Ibinder. They pair, she pairs the, he pairs the writer with Gene. And it's just like this like back and forth between them too.

It's really fun. And you're in it, right? I'm in a few episodes, yeah. But that's not why I asked. It was also, it was also my favorite TV. show like before that all that as well what's your role in it i play like the social media coordinator to like deborah bans who's the uh jean smarts character late night show that's fucking cool have you ever seen the other two the other two no you would put me up the other two

the other two's fucking hysterical i'll tell you the comedies i've watched have you seen veep veep you've never seen oh it's the best show of all time fuck i'm missing out VEEP is like about I don't even know how to describe it Do you know Julia Louis Dreyfus? Have you seen Seinfeld? Oh yeah Yeah, her.

Yeah She plays the vice president In the show called Veep And it's really fucking money Damn, I gotta pay that It's like actually hysterical Damn Yeah, I'm always looking for you

I'm always looking for new shows to watch Anywho Do you want to get into to tell me what's wrongs Sure, let's go My roommate walks around naked All the time in our apartment I hate it The worst part

She'll come out of her room while my boyfriend is over like it's nothing and I just know he's catching a glance help sorry what no I know it's this chair you missed it right one more time hold on so yes the roommate is walking out like butt ass fucking naked and butt naked and this girl's like my boyfriend's like looking because she'll walk out naked in front of my boyfriend fuck yeah your roommate wants your boyfriend yeah is what I would say you're and I would say yeah yeah I agree because I agree because why would you do that? No.

When the boyfriend's over. I understand if they're like at the crib and just, but like if you know. I guess those details that need to be figured out here. Does she know that the boyfriend's over? I mean, I assume that she can hear. Probably. Fuck, I don't know. I'm trying to give her the money.

I would just say, bitch, put on clothes. Like my boyfriend's over. Yeah, exactly. I would probably be like, hey, do you mind putting in some clothes when my boyfriend's here? And if she says no, then it, then again. can be beef. Well, then it's like, oh, so you want to fuck my boyfriend. You want to fuck my boyfriend.

Yeah. But I would be like put on clothes. Like we're not at a nudist resort, bitch. Yeah, we're at home. Yeah. And like, if you want to walk around naked, like, live by yourself. Because it's weirding me out. Period.

If I was in like a better mood, I'd probably like prescribe like a nice conversation, but I'm just like... No, no, no. You said what you said. You said what you said. I said what I said. I'll second it. So my ex...

Did I just say I say what I say? Cool. So my ex-boyfriend sent my parents a letter about how unfair our breakup was. Loser. He also shows about my gym. He also tried calling my best friend at 2 a.m. Also, his parents leave notes on my car. What do I do?

She needs a restraining order against him and his family. Absolutely. I was going to say, you need to walk into the fucking station and get that done immediately. Yeah. That's not good. Yeah. Or like, whichever parent you feel most comfortable physically fighting, be like. Let's go.

Let's go. Let's fucking put them up. Yeah, I would. Why are the parents leaving notes on your car? Fucking freak. I hate when parents get involved like that. It's the weirdest thing. Strange behavior.

Yeah. Strange behavior. I understand parents, like, it was like giving like an elementary school or like middle school, like when my friend's parents would like be like, well, they're fighting. And my mom was like, I don't give a fuck. Right. She's like, why do you think I care that they're fighting? Yeah, for sure.

I have a job. Yeah, exactly. I think, yeah. Ew. Yeah. I don't love it. That's crazy to me. Yeah.

My sister drowned my hamster because she thinks I stole her boyfriend from a rumor from school. I am not well. Lots wrong with that. Right. So that's animal cruelty for sure. Yeah. Can you go to jail for that? Definitely.

For drowning a hamster. Do you... Not like... I mean, why... I mean, can you just drown hamsters? Is that like a thing? You make a great point. And like, I need Peter to chill out for five seconds because, like, I am just going to, like,

question, like, what the vibe is, like, legality-wise. So, like, Pete a chill. Be very careful right now. Yeah, but, like, I'm just, like, wondering, can you go to the cops be like, yo, my sister, drown my hamster? Like, is that a jailable offense? Like, is a hamster, like, you know,

like, if it was a dog, God forbid, like, behind bars. But, like, can you? I see some favoritism going on. In my, my eyes? I'm just saying. Well, I think, I think it's really fucked up that she drowned the hamster. Yeah. You can go to jail for drowning the hamster.

You can go to jail for drowning a hamster? Yes, drowning a hamster in California could lead to jail time. No, so I'm, I agree with that. It's not that I'm not agreeing with that. I'm not saying you should drown a hamster. But, like, I'm just saying, like, I did not know, like, before I gave this pussy advice, like, I want to know, like, if she's just going to waste this cop's time. So, yeah.

Well, it just really depends if you want your sister to go to jail. I would be fucking livid if my, well, I don't have a sister. if my brother killed my hypothetical drowned my hypothetical hamster I'd be livid Well, your sister sounds like I think we, yeah

She has other stuff going on, you know? Well, you know they say You know what they say? What do they say? That's the first signs of, like a serial killer. Right, so what I would tell this pussy to do is therapy.

No, I would say go to the cops if you want your sister to go to jail. But to get back at your sister, you need to start a rumor around the school and be like, my sister is a serial killer. She literally suffocated and drowned my hamster. So you think no therapy? Do we want the sister to get better? Do we want a redemption?

How do you get better from that? You're a murderer. Well, maybe. Yeah. No, like therapy for sure. That's a crazy thing to happen. Maybe this, you know, I'm not going to make excuses for the sister. That poor hamster.

having a hamster as a pet is so wild to me like what's the point I don't know what side you're on right now I really gunned out no I'm saying I'm on the side of you want to know the main girl obviously that's murder like I'm just I'm now questioning like the point

of having a hamster as a pet and also where hamsters come from and how they got domesticated I maybe have extra sympathy I've never owned a hamster my friend did same neither And we were working together and his hamster, while we were working together, had to go to the ER. How would he know that? He got a call from his girlfriend who was like, the hamster went into cardiac arrest.

So the hamster was going to the ER and he was like, yo, I got to get out of here. My hamster's like going to the ER right now. So he dipped and unfortunately they tried like doing a surgery on the hamster. Hamster got through the surgery But then went into cardiac arrest and died And my friend I guess I say that to say my friend was like devastated Rightfully so

No it's a bad It was a pet and he fucking loved it And it was devastated And He was like really mourning The death of his hamster So I think I have a different perspective Because I saw a friend go through that

And I definitely think Hamsters should be treated With the most care and respect. No, of course. It's a living, breathing thing. My question just arises from, yes. It's okay.

Jake, I know your heart. That sister is a serial killer in the making. For sure. Yeah. I'm in my mid-20s, and I swear to God, there is a new important event every fucking weekend. I feel like I can't say no because most of these are birthdays and weddings, but Mama needs a break.

Because most of them are birthdays and weddings. I feel that. That's tough. I think you can say no to birthdays. You can't say no to, like, weddings if they're your close friends. It's just my opinion. Yeah, a wedding. Saying no to wedding stuff.

Have you been to a bunch of weddings? I've been to a bunch, no. Weddings are fucking expensive. Yeah. Weddings are fucking expensive. I just had to buy a tux. Oh, you know, suits? Randomly fucking really expensive.

Yeah. And so I've never been to a non-black tie wedding, which is, and so black tie is like you need a tux. So normally I'll rent a tux. But every time I rent said tux, I lose. said tux and then I have to pay for like said tux's entire price

and so now I'm like I'm just going to buy tux because I'm over losing that's good that's a good investment also do I look amazing in my new tux are you having fun? Oh dude this is so much fun I love I love this I totally forgot that my last text to someone was

I want to die because they just what do you want me to do okay where is my tux suit picks? Oh Jake yeah so cute thank you I love it let's go What a good touch Sheke, right? Very.

Yeah, so, yeah, I would say my advice is you need to say no, say no to the weddings that you don't have to go to. Yeah. It sounds like this person has a problem with FOMO, which I understand, but they need, you know. You need to chill, basically. Like, not you, but, like,

but I don't know, I feel it. Like, you don't want to let people down, too. That's a real thing. Yeah. The show will go on without you. The show will go on. Like, their birthday's still happening and the wedding still happening.

You got to prioritize yourself. But you will have a lot more phomo from missing a wedding than a birthday. I am out. Oh, 100%. That's like a real, that only happens, well, it's not as common as birthdays. You know what I mean? Right. Birthdays happen once a year.

Weddings are supposed to happen once in a life, but that's not the case. But, I mean, yeah. I mean, but like, you know, hopefully you have 80 plus birthdays. You know what I mean? Chills. You can only really have a handful of weddings. Yeah. I mean, I've never seen more than like five.

I'm excited. My friend just got engaged. And it's going to be our first college wedding. So like our friend, like, it's going to be everyone we went to college with back for a wedding. Oh. And I am so fucking pumped. It's next summer. Yeah.

And I cannot fucking wait. And I know because my manager, Louise, like, has like a wedding. every other month, like a college reunion wedding. And she's like, they're the most fun I've ever had ever. That's fucking go. Because you're just like, you get to like kind of be like. It's like a little like a reunion. Reunion.

It's like enclosed. And the best weddings are weddings that aren't like are kind of like in another place or like a remote place. So that everybody there is stuck there for the weekend. You can't go anywhere else. So the only option is to black out. It's like a yeah, 100%. I saw kind of tangent kind of side note. but like I saw like somebody

I saw like one of those like am I the asshole vibes I love the am I the asshole vibes on Reddit it's the only Reddit ones always but I see it on like TikTok and shit yeah yeah yeah yeah and one of them was like am I the asshole

for like wanting a no phone wedding what do you think about that? I think it's totally valid I think it is too I think it's totally valid I gotta be honest I like yeah As long as you're not a stickler about the photos taken at the wedding and you're like,

here is for everyone. Yeah, for sure. I think more so off of the thought of like, and like if it's like an emergency, it's a different thing, obviously. But I think off the thought of like wanting everybody to be like present. Present. And like, yo, if you need your phone, we'll fucking unlock it for you, whatever. Give it to you.

And I didn't mind the idea. I saw a lot of people that were kind of really against it. Do you ever, what do you feel about when people are on shows at a concert? Like does that when people are on shows like on phones at a concert? Oh oh oh oh sorry sorry when people are on phones at a concert like do you ever feel like like does that ever fuck with you while you're performing? No it's I mean it's I haven't like I've only experienced like the phone crowd generation. Right right you never got it before. It's just like normal but like it is way cooler when you have like a crowd that's more focused on being in the moment.

obviously, but I understand why people, you know, people want to record. Record and save memories. I think it's annoying when someone's doing it like every single fucking song. Right, right. It's like you can like record memory. Like I, you know, when I'm at a concert, sometimes I'll record a video. But like, I think if you're like, you know, 70, 80 percent just present, enjoying. I try to be very present at concerts.

Yeah, you know, especially because like maybe, I don't know, maybe some people don't, realize this but like you know for the most part usually like audits are like out there fucking like going crazy like you know I don't know not to make it a deep thing but like you know they're really trying to put on a show like being vulnerable

like you know and so sometimes when you know it's just like oh phone right right yeah it's kind of like a little bit yeah maybe but I mean I don't know I'm not going to lie and say it really bothers me because it really doesn't right yeah to be honest

but I can understand why people like really hate it. Yeah, especially people that were performing before the phone crowd. Yeah, and I definitely do prefer no phone crowd. It just doesn't bother me, really. My ex-situation ship and I have a very hard time staying away from each other. We're so, so bad for one another, but I think that's why we still hook up. Help me, how do I grow up? We're so-so-bad for each other. That's why I think we keep cooking up. Yeah, they can't stay away. It sounds very toxic. I've never had like a situation well like I've had like I have attachments issues so it's just

I've never been in that situation I would say just going it's really hard but if you can just go like cold turkey don't talk you know obviously no contact yeah like if you need like have have the conversation

whatever the conversation needs to be I think we should stop whatever whatever whatever and then from there once that's like close and done you just got to be disciplined and be like like I'm not gonna. No contact. Yeah.

Yeah. I think that's easy. I mean, that's like, I don't know. I think that's probably the, it's kind of hard to do, but like, yeah, that's, I mean, that's really the only way you're really gonna move on, right? Yeah.

At least for like, yeah, a long period of time, you know? And then, and then if, yeah, and then when you hail and you guys come back together, be friends or whatever happens down the line. But I think, like, to really, really get over, you got to let go, and it sounds pretty cliche, but you do got to go, like,

think about yourself and focus on that and do all the things. My roommate is a pathological liar, lies about having cancer and a handful of other medical things for attention. We're in a year lease. What the fuck do I do? So I have the ultimate prescription. I know what this person needs to watch. There's a documentary about this.

There's also a show about this. Real Housewives of Orange County. this one housewife's boyfriend at the time lies about having cancer and they find out on the show so you should watch that. What season?

I think it's nine or ten. What documentary year? Oh, oh, oh, are you talking about apple cider vinegar? Yes. Yes. Yes. I haven't...

To be completely... That takes place in Australia. It does. I haven't watched a full thing, but I've definitely heard about it. I've definitely seen... Right. Clips.

I would try to break the lease or just like... I'd definitely... break the lease, I would definitely encourage your friend to get some serious help. Yeah, that's crazy. I would, yeah, maybe encourage some distance. Definitely move out. Definitely, uh, another no contact situation, maybe. I would also watch Glee.

You ever watch Glee because Terry Schuster pretends to be pregnant? You know what? I remember Glee being on the TV when I was a kid. I never, like, locked in on it. You gotta lock the fucking special all time. Okay. Of all fucking time. I got a beef.

Lee is the greatest of all time. I've heard it. I've heard that people say that for sure. It's just perfect. Start from the jump, right? Yeah, you have to start from the jump. The pilot's one of the best pilots ever of all time. I believe you.

I saw you just interviewed. Yes, Leah Michelle. It was my mind. It was unbelievable. I remember leaving that interview. I smiled when I saw that post. Yeah. It was really wholesome.

When I left that, I know. When she left the room, I looked around. Do you remember that Nolan? I looked around and I was like, yeah, that ate. Like, that was the best moment of my entire life. Yeah, I saw you said something like that I was like that's really sweet Okay, well, Leroy, what did we learn today?

Hamsters should Definitely be taken care of And it's illegal to kill one Not that I was ever planning on killing a fucking hamster But I just didn't know if it was like punishable by law Exactly Yeah, I'm just saying Like I didn't know if it was punishable by law

We also learned that You live in a hotel We learned I live in a hotel I mean, I didn't learn that. You learned that. I learned that you live in a hotel and you live in the sweet life of Zach and Cody vibes.

That really, yeah. Do you know what I'm talking about? I know exactly what I'm. I know. That's why I was like, yeah. Yes. Yes, I am. And we learned that

we learned that people are going through some fucking shit, I guess, and have some crazy roommates and slash sisters slash shit going on. And we learned that you have new music on the way. Oh.

I learned that. Fuck, yeah. I guess we didn't even talk about that. We didn't talk about that. Didn't talk about that. Should we? For like five seconds? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, do we spend all this time talking about fucking hamsters? Okay. So before we end, tell me about your new project and when you see it coming out and what the vision is and everything about it.

I don't know. This project is like, it's like a lot, it's a lot more fun, you know. I mean, it's still obviously personal. There's still like super personal songs on there. and whatever. And, you know, I always describe this project as being like a happy project, like having fun, dancing type of thing. But there are, like, still sad songs on there.

There's still, like, you know, there is still those type of pockets on there. But, I mean, I don't know. I kind of went into it just being like, I wanted to make music that I could, like, play, like, on a night out or something, you know? Like, I think, like, this is, like, a really weird thing. but like I noticed that when I would like go outside like to like a club or something and like the DJ might be like yo yo like I want to play one of your songs like what song should I play and I would be like and I'd be like fuck I don't really have any songs that like you can play right now that like right will feel you know I mean the closest one was really like stay or something like that but I don't know yeah I kind of realize I'm like damn I don't have a lot of like music for like this type of environment and so I guess like the mission in the beginning was like I just want to make music that like that like can be played outside and played for people to have

fun and dance too because I kind of have made like a lot of sad music and a lot of like you know kind of more emotional leaning stuff and there's still that stuff on there but I don't know just taking a bit more sonic risk um melodically trying new things you know um been working with you know different people and just trying to like experiment i did um yeah so just a lot of that and kind of figure you know in the beginning that was like the intention then it kind of became the project kind of became like a whole story now yeah which is cool which is how it usually goes anyway you set out with like one intention and then it kind of like shaped into like this like body of work vibe what do you think the story of the album is i mean it's really it's really like a love album you know

which is which is cool you know it's a lot of love songs and so I'm not going to give way too much but yeah it's just it's you know it's not like a you know top to bottom like exact

you know story but like when you funny enough like now that it's sequence when I listen to it top to bottom I'm like wow it's cool it feels like a little makes sense yeah like it feels like it strings together it feels like a full like thing and yeah, it's cool. Right now we're just, it's done.

The album's done. It's done, yeah, it's done. Right now we're just working on little transitions and little like skits. Oh, fun, fun, fun, fun. All the songs itself are actually done, and they're like ready to go, we're about to, like, shoot the album cover next week.

And it's, it's coming around really quickly, which is really crazy. But, yeah, I don't know. I think it was just about, I also, this album I didn't want to overthink, think too much. You know, last album took me like two and a half years to make and this I was just kind of like not overthinking a lot of songs. Although naturally now that it's done, I'm definitely like overthinking. You just kind of have to get it out. But I'm just kind of like,

like, yeah, listening to that. Now I'm like, all right, I got to try and take a break from like even listening to this. I still, you know, I still do. I listen to my songs when I make them a lot, which I think, you know, because I'm trying to like, hear things or I'm trying to like figure out okay what is this slot or what is this you know whatever but and then but then sometimes I get to a point where I play it so much that then I start picking a little different things and I'm like oh I can't change this or it's going to just change this song right you know and it's going to change how I felt about it in the moment but yeah I think like yeah I think when I'm making a track list in general I'm very conscious of like

what's the story that's being told how things are going and um yeah I'm just really excited of people to hear it. I think it's like I'm really happy with it and like my friends like it you know and that's all we can really know you know. This album number three? Four? It's technically number two, technically

but like some would say number three because the first the first album was like technically classified as a mixtape but it was an album. Got it. It was. That's where you think. But I don't, I like to claim it as a mixtape because I just don't like to claim it as an album. Right. You know? Yeah. But it is

It is technically. Like, it was a, yeah, it was an album. So it's, it's number two, but I guess number three to some people. I'm excited to hear it. Thanks, bro. Yeah, I want to, when it's fully done, I want to send you like a real top-to-bottom listen. Yeah, yeah, what was your favorite? I'm curious.

I know what you've sent me was. Because I sent you a bunch of random things at one time that it was just kind of like. My favorite one that you sent me was move your body. I love to move your body. Let's go. Yeah, I was into it. I was like, I want to hear this on night out. Wow.

Well, our next night out. We did the job. Yeah, you did do the job. Let's go. Well, Leroy, thank you for coming on therapists. Thanks for having me. I was really excited about this. Did you have fun?

I had so much fun. And I was really excited about this prior. Me too. I was so excited. I was so hyped, yeah. Will you give a little bye pussies? Bye pussies. Bye pussies.

Bye pussies.