There Are No Girls on the Internet - A trip down Myspace memory lane

Episode Date: April 18, 2023

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then you probably know that I have been on the Internet for a very long time. And I joined the podcast Main Accounts, the story of MySpace, to talk about the early days of one of my favorite ever social media platforms. You guessed it, MySpace. and why it was such a huge part of my online upbringing in development. And it was really fun to take a nostalgic, sometimes cringy digital walk down memory lane. So take a listen and don't forget to vote for us to win a Shorty Award. This is an I-Heart original.

If the beginning of Tequila tequila being on my radar as this like, you know, MySpace influencer for being a queer woman of color, if that was like the promise of the internet, The day that I saw that image of her in my hometown in D.C. doing a Nazi salute at a restaurant with a bunch of alt-right dirt bags, that was the nail in the coffin. And so I feel like that moment for me really crystallized where we started and unfortunately where we wound up. I'm Joanne McNeil and this is main accounts, the story of MySpace. Episode 3, MySpace Famous. In this episode, we're going to discuss how MySpace.

space, like reality TV, became a vehicle for celebrity. The people who became famous through the platform gave way to the culture of influencers. Myspace felt like a party. I've heard a few people make this comparison when I've talked about the platform with them recently. Julia Anguant said it in the first episode of our series. MySpace was definitely a party atmosphere. And my friend Dorothy Santos said it too when we were reminiscing about it the other day.

So I wasn't really seeing MySpace as a professional platform. I saw it as this kind of digital party that just would, I could pop in any time. Well, what's something people usually want to know about a party before they show up? Who is going to be there? The answer was Tila Tequila. What's that very? Everybody's your girl, Miss Tila, also known as Tia Tequila. Tila was the party.

Before MySpace, Tila was a model in Playboy and car shows. In 2003, she appeared on Surviving Nugent, a reality show on B.H1, hosted by Ted Nugent on his Texas ranch. But it was social media that made Tila famous. the very first MySpace kind of influencer celebrity that I was very, very interested in. And, like, she was on my top eight. And it was this person, Tila Tequila. When I think about, like, who was the first MySpace big account? It was her.

That's Bridget Todd, host of the podcast, there are no girls on the internet. On Myspace way back when, Bridget was one of Tila's hundreds of thousands of fans. One of the notable things about her is that she, She was openly queer. And, you know, I'm queer, and she's a person of color. I'm a person of color. And I remember thinking, like, wow, how cool, like this famous person of color, you know, has a platform around the fact that she's queer.

Tila, the daughter of Vietnamese immigrants, was no heiress like Paris Hilton. Her parents didn't have a lot of money. She had to hustle to get her name out in the world. The Internet was part of that hustle. I have an addiction. My therapist, yes, I have a therapist. I do. Okay.

So my therapist says that I have a highly addictive personality. And, you know, I do. So it's, I'm addicted to the internet. So I'm always tweeting. I'm online, I'm trying to fans. I do this, do that. And I'm addicted to shopping. I'm addicted to sex.

You know, whatever. This is how. people came to know Tila Tequila. She sent friend requests to hundreds and hundreds of people. First, she did this on Friendster. And Tila ran into some trouble doing this because Friendster, compared to MySpace, did not feel like a party. Friendster was pretty rigid about rules.

In the summer of 2003, Friendster started cracking down on accounts known as fakesters, accounts that represented anything other than a user's real identity. So you might have seen a Marilyn Monroe fakester that was a user impersonating Marilyn Monroe on Friendster. Or you might have come across a snowy owl fakester, and people obsessed with bird watching would have friended that account. The fakesters became sort of like community pages. But Frenster founder Jonathan Abrams hated them. He hired a bunch of moderators to remove them all. A group of these outlaw fakesters came together and wrote an open letter protesting Frenster's policy.

The ringleader was someone who went by Roy Badeon, Frenster. You know, like the Replicate and Blade Runner. The corporate masters at Frencester should be a vibrant online community as they now have. on their hands. What they forget is that a living community, by definition, has a life of its own. Deleting the photos and or entire accounts of fakessters is going to rudely, terribly backfire against the management of this site and will ultimately take the entire community real or parodied down with it. The rumblings of dissent are already grown, getting louder by the minute. If Friendster wants to see all of the goodwill and excellent word of mouth that is

generated, go down in scorching, smoking, very public flames, then they can go right ahead with their little extermination campaign. The internet is a big place, and we can easily take our party somewhere else, to a site where we are not only tolerated, but enthusiastically embraced. You know where they took that party. MySpace. I mean, of course the fakesters went to MySpace. Friendster was so aggressive about kicking out fakesters that it impacted people using their real identities on the platform too.

This happened to Tila Tequila. She kept getting kicked off Friendster for adding too many friends. Tila knew about her. MySpace because Tom Anderson had been an offline acquaintance. He sent her a bunch of invites to join MySpace, but she declined. It wasn't cool in Tila's mind. MySpace wasn't a party yet. The site had just launched, and no one was really on MySpace yet, except for E-Universe staff and their immediate friends. Still, it was a hassle dealing with Frenster mods. Each time Tila's account was deleted from Frenster, she'd have to rebuild her list of friends manually,

add all of her friends again. And in September 2003, when Tila got kicked off Friendster for the fifth time, she'd had enough. Tila finally took Tom up on his offer. And Tila didn't just sign up for Myspace. She invited everyone she knew on Friendster to join her there. At this point,

after months of strategies, to evade Friendster mods, she had tens of thousands of friends on Friendster. Myspace exploded with thousands of new users. By 2006, Tila had over a million MySpace friends. It's possible Myspace never would have taken off without Tila. If she had declined Tom's invitation, social media history might have gone another way.

And without Myspace, we probably never would have heard about Tila Tequila. Tila was a new kind of star, someone who became famous because of the internet. Sure, on MySpace, you called each other friends. But what Tila and many other internet celebrities were collecting were really just fans. Something about her really represents the sort of duality of all of our internet experiences. And what happened next in Tila's career feels representative. of how social media itself has changed. I think about her all the time.

It's just such an interesting case study for what social media and the internet can do to people. On the one hand, it can be this, like, fabulous way to connect and to, like, see yourself and be seen and build a platform around that. On the other hand, it can be so dark. Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy, not quite, unhumor me with Robert Smygle and friends,

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Those people today would be just regular influencers. What actually is an influencer when we use that word? What are we talking about? I think of it as somebody who creates content and sort of monetizes that content through social platforms or builds an audience through social platforms. They're almost independent media companies where there are people that have a lot of times developed an audience for around their own personality, but it can also be around a certain interest or style or whatever, and then they monetize that online audience. Basically,

I guess someone who builds and then monetizes an online audience. Taylor makes an interesting distinction. People figured out how to get famous on MySpace, but it wasn't exactly a business. Not like what you see with internet celebrities on Twitch or YouTube or Instagram these days. Myspace was pretty like embedded in sort of the music industry, not quite the way TikTok is now, but, you know, music was a strong culture of MySpace. And so you had a lot of people growing audiences on the platform and using that to get a record deal, you know, or sell out shows or promote themselves. And then you kind of had these more like individual figures that I think,

think seemed like kind of like party type of people. And then you of course had celebrities using it as well, like, you know, Katie Perry again, because it was sort of like music adjacent. And Jeffrey Star started in music. Jeffrey Star, like Tequila, was another larger than life, MySpace Superstar. He had an iconic look, Mac makeup, hot pink hair. A look that. that you could instantly identify in a thumbnail profile picture. He got famous for creating drama and feuding with other MySpace celebrities.

But to be honest, Jeffrey Starr's deal, I don't get it. Hello? Hey God, it's Jeffrey Starr. Yeah, well, if it in fucks with me, they're gonna die. Okay, love you too, bye. Why does someone follow a person like Jeffrey Starr? Like, what do the users who follow the page of a celebrity on MySpace get from that interaction?

Well, a lot of it was, like, aspiration around kind of, like, emo culture or, like, aesthetics. It was, like, people with a certain aesthetic. And you would follow these people because they were, like, a lot of modern day influencers or content creators. They were kind of aspirational figures for that era, where they were kind of leading this cool party. girl lifestyle or they had like, you know, awesome tattoos and makeup and this aesthetic that people really gravitated to. On Myspace, people could advertise themselves. Users would post comments like, thanks for the ad, when someone added them as friends.

The visibility was, in a way, its own reward. Jeffrey Starr could get gigs for his band through Myspace. Tila Tequila found model. and acting opportunities through it. But this happened informally. And mind you, most people on Myspace were not trying to be Tila or Jeffrey. MySpace was never really like pushing you

to like become a creator. You mostly just like looked at other people's pages. The stakes were so low for the average user and nothing on the internet feels that way now. And if you did become famous on MySpace, it wasn't entirely clear what that would even bring you. I never had a strategy because there was no such thing as being an influencer back then. So like I literally was just posting my life and I guess people enjoyed it. So then I kind of built

a following. That's Hannah Beth. She wasn't an influencer, but she was definitely MySpace famous. I never had like a plan where I was like, oh yeah, like I'm going to do this. And like that's how we get followers. I literally just did it because I was having fun. And then a following grew from that. And people seem to enjoy to watch me and my friends kind of live our lives. Hannah Beth was in high school in Southern California, where she ran in similar circles with Jeffrey Starr. They were in each other's top eight. Hannah Beth had an offbeat fashion sense,

which came through in the picture she posted to Myspace. When I first started on Myspace when I was probably like around 15 or so, I was very into like kind of like a vintage like punk look. I was listening to a lot of like late 70s. punk bands. I cut my hair really short. And I just like, it was kind of like a vintage punk golf look that I was going with. But I'd wear like all these like wild like vintage clothing, like a vintage wedding dress

or something crazy. Hundreds of thousands of people visited her page just to look at her. And then it kind of went from that to like as I was getting older and kind of finding like who I was, the whole kind of like scene kid thing was starting. And I had made friends with a few other girls. that were also kind of like MySpace people. And I guess we started the whole kind of scene girl look or vibe. And then that was just that took off.

I mean, like look at the photos now. And like I feel like it looks ridiculous. But like back then, like, I don't know, we thought we looked like so cool. Myspace became a huge part of Hannah Beth's daily life. She even traveled across the country to meet friends she met on Myspace. I think I was like 15 or 16 I met this girl who lived in Minnesota and like she had messaged me

because I always wore like these like glue in extensions because that was a big thing back then which was horrible for your hair and she was like yeah look I'd love it it's like you did my extensions and I was like yeah for sure so my dad got me a ticket to Minnesota who helped meet this random girl

I ended up staying with her for like a week or like maybe two weeks even and I made all of these friends in Minnesota I met someone else that I knew from MySpace, and it was like such a fun and awesome time. I feel like Myspace could kind of bring you together like that. Like I feel like now there's maybe like more danger going on on the internet, but back then maybe because it was so new.

I'm sure there was danger there as well. I don't know. Everyone was kind of like in this scene. And everyone kind of knew everyone or there was just some kind of, like you felt more safe just meeting up with random people. Part of what drew her to connect to people online, even travel across the country to meet people. was that her off-fly life could be rough.

On MySpace, Hannah Bath was glamorous, a scene queen. At her high school, people made fun of her for dressing the way she did. At that time in my life, I was getting bullied really bad. I was dealing with, like, self-harm, and I was just, like, very depressed and all of that. And I was very open about all of my struggles through, like, my blogging and my writing. So the people I was connecting with knew like the real me and I feel like that's why I was so drawn to it. I just started like posting like things I liked

and then people like like that as well. And I love being able to express my fashion through my space because I feel like I got bullied a lot for like how I looked in my style. And then on my space, people like loved how I look, looked up to me and like loved my style. So it was like a whole different thing for me because I was like, I'm such a loser at school.

And then when I'm like on life, I was becoming this like MySpace girl. I don't know. It was just, it was a trip. With the attention she garnered from MySpace, Hannah Beth built a career. First as a blogger with Buzznet and later working in fashion, including a spot on the reality TV show House of DVF,

a competition to become a brand ambassador for Diane von Furstenberg, Hannah Beth won. Hannah Beth was never Kardashian-style famous, But people paid attention to her in a way that didn't really happen to ordinary people before the internet. There were blogs dedicated to MySpace stars and these people were kind of covered in other internet. Like sub-communities and forums, places like sticky drama. But for other MySpace celebrities, the internet was a double-edged sword. They faced harassment online where they built their fate.

People would set up blogs about MySpace stars, and they would sort of speculate on different things. They would try and find information on these people, and a lot of the comment section would be other fans, and they would kind of all... Sometimes it was really positive, and then obviously some of it turned extremely dark, where you had kind of the worst of internet, comic culture, attacking these people, and they had stalkers and, you know, harassment and safety problems. Unlike movie stores, the Myspace Famous probably didn't have the money to hire bodyguards. They didn't have representation, agents, managers, invested in their career longevity. And it all came out the cost of privacy. All of that stuff was so niche and so misunderstood at the time. Like now we have this concept of online safety.

There wasn't that in the 2000s. So, you know, these, a lot of ways. women were kind of like building audiences, getting micro fame and had this like dedicated group of people on the internet that was obsessed with them. But there wasn't like, there weren't really like guardrails around any of it. They were almost like too accessible to their fandoms. Like now there's this like you think of influencers as celebrities. So you you kind of almost respect them a little bit more. Whereas back then I think MySpace stars felt, almost like too much like they were too kind of on the level of normal people almost.

And so like average people just felt entitled to be horrible to them. The visibility that users like Tila Tequila could attain on MySpace was like a hyper popularity. Think the most popular kid at high school times a thousand. And in some ways, it could be more invasive than a tradition. celebrity experience. Because MySpace, like every social network, was designed for looking at others, surveilling others.

People clicked on other people's profiles and assessed them from a distance. And there was no blueprint for it. Like there was no understanding of online fame at that point. So people, like people, I think, had less boundaries. And then also, you know, the mid-two, thousands was kind of like peak reality fame and kind of like this really toxic type of celebrity. Like that was like that whole Britney Paris Lindsay era where it was like this culture of excess.

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And for more, follow Timbo Sliced Life 12 in the TikTok podcast network on TikTok. No other form of entertainment defines the odds like reality television. Survivor and Big Brother both debuted in 2000. It shows like The Bachelor, the Osbournes, and American Idol arrived shortly after. These programs could be made cheaply. New software had just made it easier to edit down large quantities of video footage. Producers didn't have to hire professional actors or screenwriters. It's no coincidence that the reality TV boom happened while the Screen Actors Guild,

and later the Writers Guild, were negotiating streaming royalties. With reality TV, celebrities projected the illusion of living. ordinary lives, while ordinary people projected the illusion of celebrity. It was a lot like the immediacy and intimacy that early online celebrities like Tila Tequila offered their friends on MySpace. Tom Anderson even said in an interview once, he thought of MySpace as the reality TV of the internet. It felt inevitable then that Tila Tequila would leverage her online popularity, with a reality show of her own.

In 2007, a Shot at Love debuted. Tila! Tila Tequila began her quest for love. I'm a bisexual. This season, on a Shot at Love. It was the first reality dating show featuring a bisexual person. She got a reality show on MTV called Shot at Love with Tila Tequila. And the conceit was that, you know, she's a queer girl.

looking for love, and that the house was going to be filled with both women and men because she's queer. Me and my friends, like my queer circle of friends, when I say that we watched this show religiously, like we had parties, but we thought it was so earnest. It was one of MTV's biggest releases that year and ran for a couple seasons. Tila appeared to be doing really well in the late arts. She made music and published a book, and she made some savvy business decisions. to monetize her fame. Working with Joe Francis,

he of the Girls Gone Wild franchise, she set up a website called Teela's Hot Spot, where she had a blog and webcam, and basically posted the kind of content she had on Myspace, but on a website of her own. Tila even appeared to be settling down. In 2009, she was engaged to Casey Johnson, the Johnson & Johnson heiress,

but then tragedy struck. She was young, beautiful, and an heiress to an empire. Now Casey Johnson's sudden death has many asking how and why. At the end of 2009 and the beginning of 2010 was very hard for me. And as you can tell, during those times I made lots of headlines of meltdowns. And that was my way of like when you lose someone, and I didn't know how to cope. Casey died of diabetes complications.

It was only a month after they announced their engagement. Things went downhill from there. In 2012, Tila was hospitalized after a drug overdose and a brain aneurysm. It had been a suicide attempt. In 2015, Tila prepared a comeback and joined the cast of Celebrity Big Brother, then post-resurface of Tila, two years early. earlier in 2013, defending Hitler on her blog, and posing a Nazi regalia, she was kicked out of the house because of it. Tila apologized. Tila called it a terrible mistake in a statement posted

to social media. She mentioned her suicide attempts and said she suffered from severe depression and addiction. In her words, I felt worthless and unloved as that pain continued to grow, causing me to further spiral out of control. And then she reiterated that she is absolutely 100% not a Nazi supporter. Tila's apology sounded heartfelt, and maybe it was. But two months later,

Tila posted a photo of her baby daughter with a Hitler mustache. And for Bridget, who had followed Tila's career for over a decade by that point, it was heartburn. And I remember watching her trajectory from being this person that I loved and really admired as like a queer woman of color, watching her go from someone who, like, that was her thing in my mind to the way that now she basically was like radicalized on the internet and via the alt-right. In 2016, Tila was photographed giving a Nazi salute at a conference with white nationalists in Washington, D.C.

if the beginning of tequila being on my radar as this like MySpace influencer for being a queer woman of color, if that was like the promise of the internet, the day that I saw that image of her in my hometown in D.C. Doing a Nazi salute at a restaurant

with a bunch of alt-right dirt bags, that was the nail in the coffin. And so I feel like that moment for me really crystallized where we started and unfortunately where we wound up. But those early days were so full of promise. And then that picture is like burned in my mind of because of platforms like MySpace, this was the person who allowed me to see part of myself that I was still getting comfortable

with. And then where we wound up was so dark and so sad and so heavy. For others, fame on MySpace came as easily as it went. You had people like Teila Tequila go on to become a reality star because that was the only kind of attainable access to quote unquote, like mainstream fame in the 2000s was like reality shows. But even then, like going on a reality show doesn't mean that you yourself profit very much. So I think all the people from that era kind of fell off and never really were able to capture the true value of the brand that they built back then. A few MySpace celebrities dropped out of

the public eye by choice, including Hannah Beth. I think just like as I got older, I just started to enjoy having my privacy a bit more now. And I just don't love social media, like how I used to love it. So it's just like it's not one of my top priorities. But for others who became famous on MySpace, those years were less than idyllic. It was a horrible time to be famous. Like it was so toxic and so bad. Tabloid culture ruled.

It was really playing out on the internet in small scale through blogs. And so I think a lot of my... My space stars just kind of like got chewed up by that system. And you see them now like into crystal healing or they've totally reinvented themselves or they're like super offline. Or you have people like Jeffrey who just leaned 150% into it and kind of became this like internet villain because he literally thrived in that type of toxicity. The blowback to visibility online that Taylor describes wasn't only impacting people like Tila with hundreds of. hundreds of thousands of friends on social media. People with small followings and relatively ordinary lives

faced harassment and bullying on a social network that had quickly become the center of their social life. More on this in the next episode of Main Accounts. Thanks for listening to Main Accounts, The Story of Myspace, an Iheart original podcast. Main accounts, The Story of Myspace, is written and hosted by me, Joanne McNeill, editing and sound design by Mike Coscarelli and Mary Doe. Original music by Elise McCoy, mixing and mastering by Josh Fisher. Research and fact-checking by Austin Thompson, Jocelyn Sears, and Marissa Brown.

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