There Are No Girls on the Internet - Diddy was acquitted of his most serious charges. The Internet blamed a woman who had nothing to do with it.

Episode Date: December 24, 2025

After Diddy’s acquittal, social media decided it needed a villain. And who better than a random woman?! Through a case of mistaken identity, digital marketing strategist and former journalist Wynter Mitchell-Rohrbaugh, who had nothing to do with the trial, became the target of viral accusations and lies.  In this episode, Wynter tells her story of how misinformation, speculation, and Internet outrage collided in real time to pull her into a social media storm, and she breaks down what it means for our broader digital media landscape. Follow Wynter on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/wynter Let us know what you think by emailing [e-mail] or leaving a comment on Spotify.  Follow Bridget and TANGOTI on social media!  ||  instagram.com/bridgetmarieindc/ || tiktok.com/@bridgetmarieindc ||  youtube.com/@ThereAreNoGirlsOnTheInternet || bsky.app/profile/tangoti.bsky.social   See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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and content creators can say just about anything, and if it hits the right emotional nerve, it can go viral whether it's true or not. And in the wake of the trial of rapper and entrepreneur Sean Diddy Combs, that dynamic has turned especially dangerous. Because one of the most prominent women behind the scenes in entertainment is now being targeted by a completely false and deeply harmful lie about Diddy's trial. Meet Winter. Winter got into media in the first place because she cares about the truth. I started out. I wanted to be, I wanted to be a journalist.

Like I felt like when I was born, that's what I wanted to do. And I was really committed to, you know, even as a kid, writing, creating stories, writing stories, and watching the news. Linter has worked in all facets of entertainment and media. She's been a journalist, a podcaster, a writer, a brand strategist. Basically, if it involves media and entertainment, she has done it. I watched the news very young because I grew up in a home where my parents were radicals. They were, you know, watching the news to have the fundamental understanding of like what's going on and what was shaping the culture and how that would influence me.

My parents were very involved and concerned about the future and how that it would affect my sister and I as two young black girls. I was always fascinated by people's perspective and people's reaction to trends and things that shifted and how we reacted to it. And as I kept getting older, I kept sort of staying in this trend of journalism. And then I realized that the internet was literally approaching so quickly. And Bridget, when I tell you, like, you know, I don't know how old you are, but like the approach of it as a teenager who had really been brought up and raised in a world that was very firmly analog. It was trending towards technology, but the moment the internet came, it definitely felt like things just fast-forwarded very quickly and supercharged. So I, you know, moved to, I worked in news here, you know, sort of taking on odd jobs and internships, not really going to school.

Just because I wanted to just jump into it. And I got a job at NBC when I was like 17. And then I just completely left abandoned school after that. And then I started working at like tech TV and radio stations and magazines. And then I moved to L.A. And the only, everything that I'd read about, you know, working in entertainment was that you have to work at an agency. So I went to go work at William Morris.

That's where I moved to L.A. for. That's the job I moved to L.A. for because in order to work in entertainment, you kind of have to have this foundational understanding of how the business works. Did that terribly. And then I kept progressing upward into working at magazines. winter kind of saw where the internet was headed as it pertains to media and celebrity early on. So she shifted her career around it and jumped on the wave early. In 2011, I realized that the internet was too, the presence was looming too large.

And I just said, you know, I can do this for people. I can create news. I can push out news, distribute news, and do it on behalf of a brand instead of working for a brand that's dying and would it convert. You know, Us Magazine, OK Magazine. I loved those experiences. It was amazing working in those environments, but they were not progressing fast enough for me in the digital space. So I had to just sort of jumpstart it myself. And that's where I've been, what I've been doing now for the last 15 years is managing

digital presences for celebrities and brands. I want to see a version of that documentary that kid stays in the picture. But from your perspective of all the different stories. and entertainment. Like, that's how I think of you, the person who knows all about the business of media and entertainment. It's literally, it's one of those things where I'm so glad that I stuck with it. Because I wasn't actually getting,

you get fed so many influences. Thank you, Bridget, for those kind words. You don't, you get influenced by so many different perspectives and like, this would be seductive or this would be cool. and I realized I was like, none of that stuff sounds cool. I like just being in this lane. I don't want to. You're not following this train of thought.

And I got in a lot of trouble for being in this train of thought. I got fired from William Morris for having a blog about my, you know, 25 years ago. And now they're putting assistants in Vanity Fair. Like I, like, you know what I mean? Like there's a whole blog dedicated to being an assistant at an agency. And it's like I was at the press. I literally started this. And it's so funny because people talk about this now when they see me. They were like, you're really ahead of your time. I was like, yeah, I had to take the blows for it.

But I was ahead of my time. And I think I've always been good at that being able to kind of foresee when something is shifting. And I think we're deep in that now. I think it is shifting very quickly, faster than when it shifted from analog to digital. And I think that we have a lot of challenges ahead for us in that, in that. sense. So I know there's probably someone listening wondering, why are they talking about entertainment media on a tech podcast? But entertainment stories are media stories, their tech stories, their business stories. Do you ever get the sense that people poo-poo all of this as celebrity gossip or just gossip more generally, even though we know that entertainment touches so many important facets and leverages stakeholders across all of these spaces?

Well, you're right. And that's kind of the reason why I was able to exist. so long in it because I wasn't like a gossip hound in that sense. I had relationships. So when I came into the business, I already had relationships, which was a coup for them. But the one thing I can say is that, you know, getting the information that I got that built the articles that were published or reporting, a lot of that was rooted in having a business mindset about it, looking at the business mindset, looking at the business landscape and how this would affect XYZ. And that kept me, even if I didn't have a story to publish that week, having news about something that was happening inside of, you know, a studio decision that could affect, that would ripple across the industry

or something that, you know, knowing that, you know, you're saying that so and so might be hooking up. And it's like, that's crazy because they were filming such and such over here with, you know, all these people that can't be true, those were vital, having the script to something to verify that this scene takes place and this could create like a liaison that would be interesting to the magazine. So like, I think there is, you know, reporting that I did always came from sourcing. I sourced every single thing. And I didn't get just one source. I would get three sources. And people would try, you know, there was always a hater inside who'd be like, Gaston, I didn't hear that. Well, I heard it from three people. And they're legitimate people.

and they are, they're my long-term sources and my editor confirmed it. So, yeah, like, that's the problem, I think, I think not having, you know, these people that we're talking about that we, that I had to deal with over the last two weeks. My, the saddest part of all of this is that they don't have that experience. They just don't. And you simply need it. They think because everybody jumps on and blind gossip and, you know, all those, those other, you know, fake news,

FOMWA, all of them have the ability to just jump online and start spewing stuff. You don't understand what it takes to get things verified, which is why the blind gossip pages, you know, are constantly being taken down because you're constantly putting out information or being threatened or being sued because you haven't verified anything.

You're editorializing and making shit up. It's not moral and it's not legal, to be honest. I'm so glad that you brought this up. I think in this day and age, we have forgotten that there's a difference between entertainment journalists who know how to fact check, know how to source stuff, and then people who just get on TikTok, who get on whatever Instagram page, they might have millions of followers and they'll just say whatever. And those are, it's two different things, right? Like, people used to dog on Wendy Williams. She knew how to fact check, right? Like, she knew how to like,

you know, there's a difference between getting on TikTok and making essentially fan fiction, lying, even if that goes viral. And I do think we're at a place where more and more celebrities and also everyday people who have been defamed or lied about are taking those kinds of fabulous to court and saying, hey, this is defamation.

You went on your YouTube channel and lied about me. You didn't have a source for any of this. It's not true. I'm going to sue you and you're going to take it down. Let's be real. Our current digital landscape has created a financial incentive for lies. And it's not just the people who lie who profit.

It's also the platforms. For instance, after rapper Cardi B won a defamation suit against YouTuber and blogger, Tasha K, YouTube did not automatically remove videos even after the court deemed them defamatory. Instead, Google, YouTube's parent company, continue to profit off of those videos, until finally sustained pressure from activists compelled YouTube to take them down. It should not be this difficult to take down. I also put the blame on the platform. It should not be this difficult to take down content that is not factual.

And I think this is by design. They want it to be difficult because they have to reap the benefits of the traffic and the engagement and all of that that it brings, which only benefits the blogger and the platform. The person actually being harmed has to do more work to plead their case. And I really, you know, champion like the Cardys and the Magans in the world who are like standing on business and going, no, we're not going to be doing that. because the reality is that I do think we are going to get to a point when we get out all of this madness where the lawlessness of this current administration. But I do think because of what we're dealing with with the way that the internet is the Wild West and it has to be controlled, this is kind of what the fight is about, right?

Like this is kind of what the fight is about. There is a, you know, billionaires who want to maintain the purity of their platforms doing whatever the fuck that they want. And we are the victims of that. And I really, really want to figure out. And I don't know, and this could take years. I could take me to my dying day. Figure out how to transfer that energy into a space where we go back to a Walter Cronkite version of the world where you could say it, but you need to prove it. And there was something so beautiful in the proof of things.

I think Dan Rather and Walter Cronkite and, you know, Ed Bradling, all these people, like, there was, something so beautiful in proving that they got this. And that is the other thing that I don't think, there's an automatic reward in getting 50,000 likes on a post, right? You're rewarded monetarily, you're rewarded with ego. But you will never know the purity of getting, breaking a piece of news and seeing something that tumbles into a cover of a magazine or a, or a headline that trans that transverse travels far and wide.

You will never feel that joy because there will always be a part of you in the back of your head going, I didn't, I just kind of guessed it. And that is just simply not how I ever operated or would operate, to be honest, which is why I correct so many people online, even if they get mad and want to call me names and stuff. I don't get shit. One of the names that Winter is being called on the internet right now is that she was a juror on Ditty's trafficking trial. It is not true, but we will get into why the internet thinks it is after a quick break.

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that musician and entrepreneur Sean P. Diddy Combs was arrested and facing pretty serious allegations from sex trafficking to forced labor. After a lengthy trial, he was only found guilty of much lesser charges involving transporting people across state lines for sexual encounters. In a Netflix documentary called Sean Combs, The Reckoning, directed by Alexandria Stapleton, an executive produced by one of Diddy's biggest haters, rapper 50 Cent, attempts to map out a portrait of Combs' alleged pattern of abuse

and misconduct over several decades. And one moment from the film quickly, caught the internet's attention, an interview with juror number 160, a black woman who openly spoke about growing up on music associated with Diddy's career. In the interview, juror number 160 described being aware of Diddy's celebrity presence in the courtroom and even recalled moments of eye contact, what she framed as shared, can you believe this, reactions with Diddy as he sat on trial listening to women testify about their experiences with him. Although jurors are expected to remain impartial, the implication was hard to ignore. To many viewers, juror number

160 did not come across as a neutral observer, but as someone visibly influenced by Diddy's fame. Online, juror number 160 quickly became a symbol of how powerful men like Diddy skirt accountability for so long, aided by admiration, proximity, and celebrity culture. Now, you might be wondering, okay, but what does any of this have to do with Winter? The answer, is nothing, not a damn thing. But after Winter recently shared an old photo of herself with Diddy on social media, internet sleuths wrongly decided that she must be juror number 160 and that that photo she innocently shared was just another example of the way that Durr number 160 was a long time Diddy fan. And just like that, Winter found herself at the

center of a harassment campaign over a trial she had absolutely nothing to do with. So let's talk about this because you are at the center, frankly, like a very wild campaign of lies online where some folks have decided that you were a juror in the Sean Diddy Combs trial, that you were juror number 160. So walk me through how you first realized that this was a narrative starting online about you. I think there was one poster where he posted it and was just, just like really defiantly not.

A couple people took it down in the beginning. And I posted the photo of me. And so first, I want to clear this up. I post the photo of me and Diddy because I was talking about in my stories, how I, and I will send you a three shot of that, how it was an underwhelming experience. And it kind of was before that experience had happened. I'd interviewed to work I'd bad boy when I was in,

like 17. One of the many reasons why the claim that Winter would have been chosen as a juror on Diddy's trial makes no sense is that Winter actually interviewed to work for Diddy's record label Bad Boy Entertainment when she was just starting out. She remembers how odd the interview was. She was expecting to meet Diddy at an office. But instead, she was asked to meet with Diddy at Justins, a soul food restaurant that Diddy owned in New York City. Thank God that fell apart. And thank God it was a really awful, weird, awkward experience where I definitely was being like, I don't want to say groomed to do something, but it wasn't a typical thing.

It wasn't like other interns where they bring you into the office and they're like, hey, and like these are the people and this is where you work. Usually when you're interviewing for an internship, they kind of give you the back then, they give you the lay of the land and what your experience could be like and then you're excited and you want to do it and work for free. and and this was much more like, um, meet us at this restaurant and meet us of,

you know, do, yeah, like, like, like, like, uh,

meet us at this restaurant. It was very like, it was, it was just a very not professional situation. So, you know, I didn't really care and I didn't think much more of it after that because I was underwhelmed.

And then to meet to, I interviewed Diddy at, at the 2009 VAT Awards when I was working. I feel like okay or us. I can't remember. And I remember just being like, what an underwhelming person. This outsized personality. And that's why it's so funny in the documentary,

they talk about how he actually interacts with African Americans. And I'm like, yeah, that's the sense. It's like he had to be there because he is a black entertainer. But did he want to be around all these black people? Not necessarily. And that was the, and you got that sense. I don't want to, again, I'm not going to put words. or thoughts into what did he might have been thinking at the time,

but I can say that it was an underwhelming experience. That's not even the last time I saw him. I saw him again at a concert and backstage. And again, and this was closer to all of this stuff falling apart. So this is when I definitely think he knew somebody was coming. And you want to talk about underwhelming in 2009. It was even more hilarious to watch a man who knows that the feds are watching. And I'm like saying to myself, you know, like all that bravado, all that bravado, all that, you know, King of New York shit.

And he's literally backstage in a very secured area and looking around and can't stand still. So like I always just felt like, you know, part of my job is being in front of a lot of big personalities like this. And you can't help but observe. And he's one of the ones where the energy was always dark. So I post the photo. I should have given more context. That is the one mistake that I think that I made. And I suddenly wake up the next day.

I didn't think of it that day. I was like, just take it down. Then the next day I, it's just like further. And then I started, this is when I knew it was bad. I'm hearing from people I haven't spoken to since elementary school. I'm hearing from people that I, you know, family members, my parents, like, my sister. Like I'm hearing from people that don't typically, like, it is traveled far and wide. So now I'm getting pissed because now it's like I know that I'm, I work on the internet and I know if they're hearing about it, then everybody is going to hear about it shortly, right?

And I know that it's traveled further than just a thread. It's now gone from threads to, you know, TikTok, to Instagram, to Facebook, to Twitter. and that is when I got really mad because it was already proven within that day that I am not her. I'd already said it and yet they kept saying it. And then I kept saying to myself, how do you think that, why would you think that I would not say I am that person and that it wouldn't have already been reported?

It would have already been pushed out through larger platforms, you know, verified news outlets, the TMZs, the peoples. And then I said, they're not going to cover it. And that also kind of made me mad because I can't get them to, I have friends on all these places. I can't get them to report a fake news story and say that it's true because, A, I don't want it further out. And B, it's, I shouldn't have to do that. I shouldn't have to do it. My word should be bond.

And it didn't matter. And what upset me the most is that it was mostly black bloggers. It was mostly black bloggers. It wasn't like, you know, MAGA. This was not a MAGA hit job. It was mostly black bloggers. So instead of taking me by my word using Google, you can Google me and see that this is my look. This is my look.

This is, you know, my Instagram page is public. You know, my threads, you can read down threads and see me talking. No research, no nothing. Just I'm going to go with this. And very defiantly so. And I just feel bad for them. I feel bad for them. Like I have pity because they're so stupid and also so manipulative

that they would rather be wrong for clicks than be right. And that's going to be their entire like, that's going to be their entire like brand. You know, they don't realize that that's actually just a detriment to their growth. You can't just walk away from lying about shit. And then, and some of these people want to be comedians and, and do stand-up in movies like that. It's like, I work in this business.

If I see you, I'll say something. So, like, you don't understand how small it is. I'll never forget their faces. I'll never forget their names. I have, like, saved everything. I don't know when I'm going to strike. That's the other thing. I have a business.

So I don't know when I'm going to strike, Bridget. I might wake up tomorrow and just strike. You never know. That would make me nervous. but they're going to be defiant and think what they want. Yeah. First of all, this could not have happened. There's almost an irony to it because not that it should be happening to anybody,

but this could not have happened to like a more visible, more connected kind of person. So I find that very, I don't know. It's just like nobody should have to go through it. But of all the people to pick to target in this way, you, I find, yeah, there's almost an irony to what I guess is what I'm saying. It's an irony to it, but it's also not surprising and not the most extreme thing that's ever happened to me, which is why I was able to deal with it. I was annoyed for sure.

I was pissed, but I was able to deal with it because I have dealt with worse. This is not the most extreme thing that's ever happened to me. And it's also not the most extreme thing I've ever had to work with in the workplace. I work with people that I've had really intense scenarios happen. And I have worked, helped support it them and working through it. And I've watched it. And I also know that these things died down. Unfortunately, we've had some really horrible things happen since.

So the importance of it, at least in my frame of reference, is no longer where it was. But I think that, you know, a combination of all of these things that are happening and all this stuff that's happens and the way the internet reacts to news is a thing that's up for debate that I wish there was someone who can kind of step in. And we don't have, you know, the credibility of news organizations, every single news organization, whether, whether you're on their side or not, are corrupted. And it's just hard to know who to lean on, you know, that would actually support some preservation of accuracy and in news reporting. I mean, I just think that it's becoming a bygone era, unfortunately.

Diddy's trial was a huge story. It was all over the news, all over the media. If a juror in that trial had been incredibly proven to have had this level of prior relationship with Diddy, where they had been photographed together and had met, don't you think media outlets would have covered it and followed up on it? It's like the people who believe this and that are spreading this online, they're not willing to engage critically with this at all

because that's how much they need for this story to be true. There's kind of another weird dynamic happening here too, because the people who are smearing and lying about winter are doing it to support this broader claim that Diddy got a light sentence because the jury was full of people who liked him or who were dazzled by his celebrity. And look, I need to say, I hate Diddy. I've hated him for a really long time, even before all of this.

So I obviously don't disagree with this instinct to interrogate power and celebrity. But I found myself in this bizarre position, arguing with people who are spreading outright lies about someone, an incredibly talented black woman like Winter, no less, who didn't do anything wrong in service of something I ostensibly should agree with. that Diddy did get too light of a sentence, and that his celebrity probably did impact that. And it really just clicked for me why we cannot tolerate lies or disinformation, even when they're deployed in service of things we kind of agree with, because not only do they poison the argument,

they end up targeting people who had absolutely nothing to do with it. So where did I work out all these feelings? On Reddit, of course, where I became a one-woman army trying to correct the record. Wincher was there, too, trying to clear her name. It's funny because you and I cross paths, and it's the most cringy thing that happens when it's like, oh, this was me on Reddit. When I saw this taking off on Reddit, I was like, I am personally going to reply to every comment that's pushing a lie. And people's replies, though, it's so. We're insane, Bridgett.

It's like, it's because did he, like, I guess it really reveals conspiratorial thinking because the fact that no one, was writing about it, to them became evidence of its truth. Like, oh, well, that shows how good she is at, like, controlling the media. And I'm thinking, what the fuck are you talking about? Like, you can Google her. You could look at her public profile. Like, do you think that she has somehow tricked Google into faking this stuff? Yeah.

You know what I'm saying? Like, that, like, it's crazy making to try to get through to some of these people. Yes, they weren't trying to hear it. even when I jumped in there in a throwaway, they were like, so you know how to screenshot. I was like, are you? I posted the response and the reply and into this within seconds. Do you think that there's like some, you know, minority report, Tom Cruise thing happening where I'm able to, with my mind, transfer, you're delusional and crazy.

That's when I just started saying to me, so, oh, my God, this is nuts. And oh, my God, this is nuts. because then my other main concern was like my client seeing it. And I think when every single one of them called me and made fun of me. And every single one of them called me and made fun of me about this. And that literally made me feel so much better about it because they have all been criticized and had lies about them and had things made up in papers and covers and and never. and have run them off the internet and got them back.

So I was like, okay, so this is, to me, like some initiation period. This is like some hazing for something bigger. And I have to treat it like that because I think once people did start Googling me, they did start thinking that like you just said, that I was a plant and I was a perfect, I was a perfect victim in all of this. And it's like, I've been in California my whole life. I don't sound like her at all. I don't think a juror would be trying to, I don't know many jurors.

Honestly, I can't really think of one that has tried to capitalize off anything beyond being in a documentary. I don't know. I don't see jurors selling like, you know, juror merchandise and pot. No. I just don't think that that is, there's no, there's no runway for that. So I don't know why I would implode my entire business over that. I also would never serve jury duty. That's a little exclusive for you.

Sorry, I just don't. Have I gotten the notices? You'll never know. I don't, I just don't. I won't, you know what I mean? Yeah. Also, they can't prove if they don't send it certified mail, they can't prove that you actually got it.

That's a little tip for people. They can't know what you will, but they can't prove it. They can't prove it. They can't prove I got it. They can't prove I got it. You know, it's not like I don't care about the judicial system, but again, I will say the conspiracy theorist in me is that everything

is corrupted. So what is my, what, what does me spending 14 to 30 days getting paid five bucks a day, which is honestly not even, it means anything because the parking is 14 a day? So I'm actually paying into my misery. No fucking way. That's not. That actually is absurd. So I won't be doing that. And so that's just like, there were so many things about it that it was like, I would never do this. I would never serve in a jury. I would never, if I did serve in a jury, go in a documentary and talk about serving on the jury. There's just things that I wouldn't do. And this is one of them.

I would just not do that. But I also just am not that person also. Yeah. I mean, you would know if you had bet. That's, I mean, that's the thing there is. I don't feel like watching you interact in that threat on Reddit, there's nothing that you could say that would make these people. believe the truth. You could have a document that was like

Winter was in a coma during the trial. Here's that information. And they would still figure something out to say like why. There's almost no sense of trying to correct the record. It's just you just have to get it taken down. There's no, there's nothing you could

say to make these people believe it. No. And that's kind of like, you know, it's interesting we're talking about this because it's happening now. in the Rob Reiner situation, which is horrible. Horrible, horrible, horrible. And there's this race to be first. And I learned a lot about this before it became public because of my circle.

And there was no desire for me to race, to correct records. It's not my story to tell. It's not my story to share. And it's actually really brutal and horrible what happened. And that's not my brand. I don't need to, you know, leave that for the Ashara Ali's. and stuff like that. Like, I'm not the one to be first to the, to the, the, the record on something.

I don't care. I'm not a journalist anymore. And that's not my brand. My brand online is just being a conversationalist, a critique of things that are interested to me, you know, and being a commentator. But I am not a journalist. And that is the problem, Bridget, is that there's a difference between commentating and actually reporting news.

And me having a comment on something is I recognize that some people will take it as fact and everything like that. So it is my responsibility to be accurate in what I say, right? And correct my record if I'm wrong. But I am not a journalist, which is why I take, you know, I pulled journalists a lot from my bios because I just, you know, I was and I say former, but I'm not currently. So I'm not going to, you know, I don't want, I want people to know the difference between it. I think the word journalism has lost all meeting because of shit like this. And I fully blame it squarely on Trump. On Trump.

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podcast, Learn the Hardway. Open your free iHeartRadio app, search Learn the Hardway, and listen now. Let's get right back into it. When you look at who is sitting in the White House press briefing room, it's there are some journalists there still, but now it's the Tim Pools of the world. It's people who

are podcasters, bloggers, and I I do think we've just completely conflated and blown up what these different roles are. If you're an influencer or a contact writer, no, like no shade. We, I think that those are voices can be very important and very useful. But that's different than somebody who's a journalist. And I just think that we have, we stopped asking those questions about who is who. And we've all just decided it's all one and the same when it's not. It's not.

Being a content creator is not journalism. When I was a kid and I was working in these internships, and I wanted to, you know, make news, I was, you know, they, they, they, they, I got the hard questions asked to me. I got stuff killed, you know, things, they would kill certain stories so they, it didn't have any juice or it had no merit or didn't make any, it didn't make sense. It didn't, it didn't come together the way they wanted. And that was part of the learning. That was part of the learning of knowing what is a news. What's news here? Having an editor say, so what's the news? What here is at, of interest?

And then the first story I broke, the first story I broke when I was 18 years old was Courtney Cox and David Arquette getting married in San Francisco for Kron. It was the kicker at the end of the newscast. And I stood there, having already now been through all of this training with some of the reporters and anchors I grew up watching from the time I was a baby. I, this is a perfect example. I was at the Nordstrom counter and down in San Francisco Center on Market Street getting some makeup. And because I was working in a professional setting and I was just, I was like, I need to step my makeup up. So I was getting color matched. And I go, I love this brand.

And the makeup artist goes, you know, everybody loves this brain. You know who is in here yesterday? Courtney Cox. And I was like, oh my God, I love her. And he's like, she's like, yeah, she's getting married at, I forget the church. she's getting married here tomorrow and her makeup artists and her were here, like, doing color matches and swatches. That's a tip.

So then I start calling everybody that I know in the, that I know at the news station and saying, like who, like the assignment desk editor and, and my mentor. And I go, okay, I got a tip. And they were like, they're covering hard news. They were like, go report it. Go report it. Go report it. out. So I couldn't call the church and say, hey, is Courtney Hawks and David Arkett getting married there

today? And that wouldn't have worked. So what did I do? I went to the assignment desk and say, I need a camera. I need a, I need a cameraman. And we're going to stand out in Grace Cathedral. We're going to stand in front of Grace Cathedral all day. I stood in front of Grace Cathedral. And I remember thinking, if this doesn't come together, because there was nothing, there was no activity happening. There was no activity happening. Bridget, we were standing there. The sun was also about to go down And the next thing, I see another camera come up. And then I see another camera come up. And it's the other news stations because they also too got the tip and or got a tip somehow.

And then the next thing you know, here comes these SUVs and this Brad Pitt and Jennifer Aniston and, you know, Lisa Kudrow and everybody's coming and the Arquettes. And we got like 10 seconds of video of everybody got Brad Pitt waving and walking into the church. and I reported, I sent my script in, the anchor reported, and I'm getting emotional because that was the best day of my life. That's when I said, I know I can do this. I know I can do this. What did that feel like, like, what did it feel like for Young Winter being the first one,

knowing to follow up on that tip from a girl you're buying makeup from, and then that becomes a big story? What did that feel like? It felt incredible. I felt really, I taped it. I remember I taped the news. newscast that night and watched it for days, VHS pressed play for days because I couldn't believe. I remember the anchor who did it.

I'm going to get so emotional. He turned him and he's like, that was a good job. He did a great job after the newscast. And I just thought I can do this. I have a nose for news. People trust. I have a trusting face. Charlie Sheen told me that.

You have a trusting face. And I know how to get people to comfort. to disarm themselves and kind of give me info. And I know what to do with it and how to be responsible. I sit on a throne of tea. There's certain things I would tell somebody, and there are some things I would never, that nobody will ever hear for me.

But I knew exactly what to sort of, what I think was the story. In entertainment, you kind of just need the story. You don't need the whole like landscape and da-da-da. And some you do. I think when you're reporting on news and politics, you need to get wet. What did the room feel like?

What did the do-da-da-da-d-d-s feel like? When you're talking at a long-form magazine, you do need to know. She was sitting by the pool. She had a sad look on her face after reading her phone. But if it's tabloid journalism, they just want like, boom, boom, boom. And when I worked at us, that was like it was trailing off, but that was like the era of like really good, fun, juicy, scoopy stuff. And now it's just, it's not their fault.

One of my good friends is the editor-in-chief of us, and it's not his fault. It is just the way the world has gone. People like me have disrupted this space because my clients don't need to talk to us. They can just post it that they're having a baby. They can just post that they're getting a divorce. They can just post that they're starting a new show.

They don't really need to deal with them for that kind of information. Yes, but it does sort of make me sad that we live in a culture, an immediate climate where what you've just did, described of having a nose for news, sniffing something out, it coming together, getting the add-a-boy or add-a-girl from, you know, a higher-up, people who get on the internet and just make shit up will never have that. They'll never know that. They'll never know what that feels like to actually do reporting to get something pretty juicy out there and have

the receipts and the proof to back it up. They won't. And they've actually flooded the market so much that is diluted when it does happen. You know, I don't. That's why I got out when I got out, because I saw it. I saw that it was becoming a Kardashian-ified way of entering this space when I wanted to do the Oprah version of this space, and it just wasn't going to happen. I didn't see a runway for it. I didn't see a world where this was going to become a situation that wasn't going to be like chili out of a pot.

There's no way to get all the chili back into the. the pot. It's just corrupted. And I feel that way. I hate it because I work with these platforms and I don't trust these platforms. I don't trust Instagram. They lie to us all the time. They lie to my clients. I remember one of my clients was at the Paris Olympics, was posting on the Paris Olympics, had posted the opening ceremony because she was there and they took down her content. And we kept saying, why did you take down her content? Why did you take down her content? She was in Paris. Goes to Paris every year.

It's documented on our page. She is a big celebrity. Emmy winning, all this stuff. They would not answer us. Finally, I said, I need an answer right now because we are asking questions or somebody above me is going to, like her attorney is going to ask.

NBC took the content down. So NBC has more say in what someone's lived experience in this moment, this spectacular moment. NBC can decide and you weren't going to tell us for weeks until we told you, you better tell us before we get our attorneys involved. What the fuck is wrong with them? Like, what the fuck is wrong with you?

If you don't have the infrastructure to deal and work with, especially talent of this caliber and say, hey, sorry, we had to take this down. Here's why. NBC decided, la-la, where did it? No, they disabled her account and made it so we couldn't post anything for three days. So you're disrupting her flow of business because your flow of business is so imbalanced and disorganized. You know what I mean?

Like that's to me, the disrespect of the internet is just pervasive. It's not just calling me J.R. 160, which fuck all those people. They're all idiots, undereducated, stupid and really, really, really cruising for a bruising. We are so close to some of these people

getting into serious trouble, losing their livelihoods. I would never play that game. I would never play that game. And I think that because there's no regulations and rules around it or there's no systems that are to support, you know, things being accurate. I think that we will see something like that in the very near future. Yeah, and I think that's the thing is like it's really not a game.

This is people's real lives, people's real livelihood. And I agree with you. I think we have gotten close. I will never know how close we have gotten to things really escalating. But like, people have been sued and like lost their entire livelihood. Yeah. Are going to be paying restitution. for the rest of their lives because of stuff they got on the internet and said.

And I don't think people really truly understand the stakes here. And I think as you said that the media climate that we live in where everybody's thirsting to be first, we have replaced things like proof with engagement and vibes and whether or not something gets a lot of likes and travels far and wide, you know. And I do wonder, I don't even know how to ask this, but, you know, I wonder if what's happening with these lies about you being juror 160 kind of mirrors this dynamic more generally like the film, the Netflix documentary, The Reckoning.

I think that there are people who like want to hear the stories of survivors and victims, right? But then there are people who just want drama. They just want 50 cent versus diddy, juicy feud on screen. And so I think that like we just see a lot of black women kind of becoming collateral damage for the sake of the hunger for a juicy story, right? And so I don't think people see you or some of the women who shared their stories or people that shared their stories in the documentary.

I don't necessarily know if they see them as real people who have real lives if it is in service of like this larger juicy story that they just want to be told. Does that make sense? I think it's also just a maybe the storytelling wasn't. Maybe the storytelling, the story, look, the documentary was definitely manipulated to fit a narrative in that way. and it was designed to be like tawdry and juicy. I mean, my jaw was on the floor most of the time. My jaw was on the floor most of the time. And even, you know, there were a lot of things I obviously knew, you know,

about the creation of bad boy and how he came to be. And I knew all that stuff from just having grown up in it. But like, do we ever get, you know, I watched a documentary about, um, she's saying goodbye horses. Hugh Lazarus, and that was, to me, one of the first times I'd ever seen a documentary frame a black woman in all of her, the good, the bad, the ugly, in a way that felt well-rounded and felt like a beautiful picture of a woman just trying. And I don't think that it's interesting to, it's, I noticed that it stopped being interesting for people once they saw my page. Once I let people, because I private it my, page to figure out how I'm going to respond to this. And then I put up a series of stories and the stories sort of basically explained that I wrote an essay and then explained like, there's no way I live here. And there's no way I was there on the day that the decision was

made because I was in Ohio. And there was no way I was at this other thing because I was in Denver giving a speech. And so like I was, if I were a juror, I would have been a bad juror because I was never around. But I think that it's more, it got boring for them when I was, they were like, oh, I think there's two things about a bridge. I think it got boring for them when they realized I wasn't going to stop saying I'm not that person. And then it got annoying for them when they realized that I am literally a fucking bad bitch.

So there's like, it's, you know what I mean? So it's like, oh, you know, it just became like a snore for them. And I was like, I'm glad that everybody like, lot. But what it did is for me to respond that manner is like, I had to just reinforce the narrative that I was not her and that I also have a lot going on that's really fucking cool that you could talk about that is not this. And you don't have to, but you do have to stop saying that I'm her.

And no shade to her. She's just goofy. But also, assuming that I'd be as goofy, as her when I literally am like the least goofy bitch around in that sense. It's like that's also insulting. You're insulting my intelligence. You're insulting my intelligence. I would, I, you know what I mean? That's why I'm saying I could never have been on that jury because there's just nothing. There's no there there for me. I have no poker face. I would have been mean, I would have been like, like every, every time something got to reveal it, I'm like, I just don't have a poker face.

I'm also too deep in the in the business to have been able to. able to be objective about anything. I just couldn't. I've worked for one of his ex-girlfriends. Like, I cannot be objective. I don't, there's objectivity. They're just, it would never work. Gosh, I have to, this is a little bit of a side note. Speaking of all the bad bitchery that you do and encompass in your life, people don't understand. You have a picture wearing the death punk helmets. That is like, I have told, I was just talking to my cousin at a bar over the weekend. And I was like, You don't understand what that fucking means. Like shit like that.

I never really need to understand. I didn't know that that would be like such a big deal. And that's probably why he was like my friend who owns the helmet. He just, he owns one of the helmets. He used to be a music executive at Disney. He was, I'm sure he was like, he knew that. But I'm so glad that it's been like, I don't know how long. I think it's been like 17 years since I took that picture.

I'm so glad that he told me never to post it. because it means more now to me, Bridget, than it meant when I first took it. Because that is some iconic shit. You just don't see daft punk helmet in a Diane von Furstenberg wrapped dress, just like, or Spanx dress or whatever it was, just sitting in the Hollywood Hills.

I mean, that is literally my life. I could never be Jura 160. She could never be me. Like, that's my life. It's like the forest gumpiest of all the shit. is a lot of these moments, to be honest. And that's what annoying me too is like, I don't know that I can post more pictures because of these clowns.

They're going to take this picture and, you know, start making like fan fiction about other pictures of me and other people. I don't think so. But it's just like, you know, they ruined that, that. So now I have to write a book so they can just be in a book. And so I can fucking read it. Yes, I know. You're like one of many.

I really need to get on that. Yes. Get on that. I appreciate everybody who has been vocal and saying that it's not me and just, you know, direct them to my Instagram. They'll all will be revealed there. My entire, I made a highlight. This is so pathetic. I made a highlight of not the juror is the name of the highlight.

And I had to because I was like, I don't want this on my feed. This is crazy. And I also just wanted it to be there to, to. set it and forget it. You know, because I also didn't want this. The one thing I will say is I did not want this to dominate my holiday. I did not want this to dominate the conversations I'm having with people. I just didn't want to talk about it anymore because I really don't think that this story,

you know, is, I have crazier stories and I don't want it to be defined by this. And I don't think I will be. but I also didn't want there to an assumption that I would take clout for it. Like the guy who the guy who dresses up as Michael Jackson and modified his face as Michael Jackson and was upset in critiquing the Michael Jackson trailer is looking for clout. Like that is a person who needs to have a conversation with someone about that. That's not me. I'm not going to start finding a way to turn this.

I don't need this to turn this into currency. for anything. That's the other thing I think is annoying. It's like one of these bloggers was like, I will be able to go on a cruise with this post. And I was like, a cruise, that's so sad. Like that is really, you needed to tear somebody down for a cruise. You're pathetic. Like I would, A, never be on a cruise. Just another list of laundry list of things I will not do. And that's one of them.

Dury. Duty. Cruises. You know, I have taste. I don't like, that's, really weird and and just, you know, just at Winter on Instagram, just at them and say, that's not her. If you choose to, you also could just not engage. They don't need the engagement. They don't need any of this reinforcement. They don't need anything. They need to get lives for sure, but they don't need anything. I have a huge, you know, support system. I got calls from you'd be a lot of people, a lot of people in the industry, a lot of people who are close to this. that documentary, a lot of people that work at Netflix. I got calls from a lot of people. So it wasn't

just like friends or colleagues. I got a lot of calls. So, you know, everybody's pretty aware how how stupid this was. It was the people that don't know how to read, write or comprehend or, you know, have any, like, ability to sort of dissect something and, you know, double check and double back and Google. People who don't on Google or maybe they just use Bing. I don't know, but I just, you know, what can you say? This is the world we live in. This is Trump's America. Last thing I'll say is I really want to,

I really want to start examining and exploring, and I want people to do that. Sort of like how you get your news. I think I have a tip. This is a tip. I think for 2026, really start going through who you're following and where you're getting your information and how it makes you feel after you consume it

and really start spending maybe like every day just removing bullshit from your environment. I'm a victim of it too. I'm in two smart groups. I'm like obsessed with them. But I also think like the negativity is getting to be annoying. And I also think that we've already kind of gone through the same conversation over and over again.

So if that is taking, time away from you to be the type of person that is productive and informed and more learned in something and something is taking away from that and account of interest or whatever, just remove it. I think we need to start, I think we've gotten our fill on a lot of things. And I think the mass consumption of bullshit is by design. And we need to start putting guardrails around our mental health and our energy for that. And I encourage people, you know, I love the internet more than anybody I know.

But I too know when there's a moment where I need to pull back and start reassessing sort of like what I'm engaging with and how I'm putting myself out there. And I think just that reset is good for anybody. And touch grass. Really just touch grass. And 2026. Get a passport. Get a passport. Touch more grass. Divest from the media bullshit and lies. I like it.

Wendt, thank you so much for being here. You are such a goddamn delight. You are, too. We need to do this more often. I'm going to call on you for some stuff. I would love that. You're the best. Thank you, Bridget.

I really love you for inviting me to take space and your space. And thank you. I appreciate your support so much. Thank you. It's so mutual. Got a story about an interesting thing in tech or just want to say hi?

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