There Are No Girls on the Internet - Elizabeth Holmes is going to prison, Elon Musk’s racist tweets, AI senate hearings, and Montana bans Tik Tok — NEWS ROUNDUP

Episode Date: May 20, 2023

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I'm Bridget Todd, and this is There Are No Girls on the Internet. Hi, and welcome to There Are No Girls on the Internet. So we are starting a brand new thing on the podcast where we are going to be rounding up news and analysis about tech, the internet, and media that you might have missed. I will do this every other week, but if you want to get it weekly, be sure to subscribe to our Patreon at patreon.com slash tangoity. So let's get into it. I'm here with my producer, Mike. Mike, thank you so much for being here. Thanks for having me.

I'm super excited to be here for this inaugural news roundup. So we're starting out hot with a story that I followed obsessively. I have watched multiple documentaries about it. I have read books about it. I have watched Hulu series about it. And that is my girl, Elizabeth Holmes. Elizabeth Holmes has officially girl-bossed a little bit too close to the sun and must report to prison on May 30th.

Y'all probably remember Elizabeth Holmes. She used to run a blood testing startup called Theranos that said that using a drop of blood, they could screen for diseases and health information, but actually it never did any of that. Elizabeth Holmes, like she wore a lot of black turtlenecks and sort of always had this, like, messy hair, and she kind of talked like this, all as part of this, like, tech CEO persona that was also kind of a fraud. Holmes was convicted on charges of defrauding her investors in her failed blood testing startup. She's appealing those charges, but the court rejected her request to remain out on bail while she appeals her case.

She's sort of been able to drag her feet on reporting to prison, but it seems like maybe her time has finally run out. Now, back in November, she was sentenced to 11 years and three months in prison for conspiracy and fraud against investors. Now, she was supposed to report to prison back in April, but her prison time was delayed while the court considered her appeal. This comes after kind of a very glowing, fawning New York Times like redemption arc profile that really painted her in a sympathetic light. But let's not forget that Elizabeth Holmes' scam hurt real people. There was a mother with a history of miscarriages who was wrongly told that she would never be able to have a baby.

There was someone who was given a false HIV diagnosis and had to wait for months until they could afford another test. And someone was even given a false cancer diagnosis. Yeah, that's what's so egregious about her story. You know, as somebody who works in health tech, it was like really just egregious that she would just be lying about what this technology can do. But it says a lot about our legal framework

for policing or regulating health tech that none of her jail sentence is related to harming those people or the thousands of more people who received an accurate medical information. It was all just about the investors. And I'm like kind of torn about this because it's it's good to see some justice happening, but it's not happening because people were harmed. because investors were harmed and it's a real shortcoming. No, I firmly believe had Elizabeth Holmes not harmed and defrauded wealthy investors, rich people, she would not be going to jail.

I think that if she had only harmed regular ordinary people, which she did harm, I don't think that she'd be facing jail time like she is. And I also don't think that she would be hated like she is. It is kind of a sad thing that the reason why she is facing consequences is probably because she defrauded investors because people don't care when you harm. I think that we've just kind of been conditioned that you can be a tech company that harms everyday people, and that's totally fine. Harm wealthy people and investors, then you're going to jail. Yeah.

So, you know, as we think of, talk about on the show, like, what is the future look like that does a better job of protecting people? I think this is a real area where as health technology becomes a bigger part of the health landscape, overall, we're really going to need regulatory frameworks to address it. And right now we just don't have them. To the extent that we do in FDA, they're just very inadequate for what's coming. And we haven't even talked about AI. Well, speaking of regulation, let's talk about those AI Senate hearings that also happened this week.

There were Senate hearings on AI this week. The hearing started with Senator Richard Blumenthal playing testimony, in air quotes, from a deep fake audio recording of his own voice that was written by chat GPT and vocalized by an audio application trained on his Senate floor speeches. You got to hear it. I know that doesn't make sense, but you'll understand what I'm saying when you hear it. You got to hear it. Here we go. Too often, we have seen what happens when technology outpaces regulation. The unbridled exploitation of personal data, the proliferation of disinformation, and the deepening of societal inequalities. we have seen how algorithmic biases can perpetuate discrimination and prejudice and how the lack of transparency can undermine public trust. This is not the future we want.

So that is pretty eerie to hear, right? Like, that sounds just like him. He makes a good point that, you know, it happened to be saying things that he actually agreed with, but they could just as easily be saying something that he would never say. say and doesn't agree with, and you can sort of get an idea of the implications of that kind of technology. Yeah, it was eerie, and it's such a good little stunt. Like, I kind of love it when senators get up there and do little stunts like this. This one is particularly good because it's not just an attention stunt, but it really highlights how it's not just these individual

technologies that are at risk, but really the combination of them that creates some really like terrifying possibilities for what the future holds. So these hearings really seemed like very chummy. CNN reported that before the hearings, Sam Altman, who you may know is the CEO of Open AI, who has basically kind of become the face of AI, met with more than 60 House lawmakers over a dinner. It was a bipartisan gathering featuring an even split of Republicans and Democrats, and Altman demonstrated like various uses of chat GPT to, quote, much amusement,

according to a person in the room who described the lawmakers as riveted by the display. Yeah, something about that. There's something about that I don't like, that this was such a chummy meeting of lawmakers and AI technologists. I would like, I guess I'll just stop it there. There's something about the chumminess that I find a little suss. What do you think? Yeah, absolutely.

It is a little suss, right? Like usually regulation is an adversarial thing. And in those occasions when the industry is like leading the charge on the regulation, it's usually weird, right? There's usually some kind of like perverse incentive or like agency capture or something going on. And it feels weird. Yeah, you're not the only one who feels that way. Yeah.

And if you were just kind of casually following the story via headlines that you didn't click into, you probably saw that Sam Altman actually pleaded for Senate to regulate AI. He said, we think that regulatory intervention by governments will be critical to mitigate the risk of increasingly powerful models. And so here's my take. This whole thing just feels very suss to me. And Scott Galloway actually put it really well on Twitter. He tweeted this very long list of all the different times that tech CEOs made a big show in public asking for their technology to be regulated. And so I think that what, like, Mark Zuckerberg saying,

please regulate us or Jack Dorsey saying please regulate Twitter. And I think that what Altman is actually saying is, yes, we totally agree. We need regulation. And we would also be very happy to write that regulation for you. I think he's advocating for AI companies making the rules themselves. I don't think that he's actually like genuinely asking for lawmakers to regulate AI. Yeah, I think that's probably right. And you could forgive him. for thinking that Congress may do nothing, right? Like they have a long track record of doing nothing. And so it also feels like a good way to just avoid responsibility for having some sort of

like ethical safeguards in place on their own, which we can't expect them to because they're companies. They wouldn't do that. But yeah, like calling for regulation. It feels like a good way to pass the buck and be like, oh, Congress, why don't you regulate us? Let's take a quick break. Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy, not quite.

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And for more, follow Timbo Slices Life 12 in the TikTok podcast network on TikTok. we're back. Well, speaking of passing the buck and posturing while really doing nothing, let's talk about Montana. So this week, Montana became the first date to ban the social media platform TikTok, which is a pretty big step in the backlash against this Chinese-owned platform over concerns about things like data privacy. Montana's governor signed the measure on Wednesday. He said that he did so to, quote, protect Montana's personal and private data from the Chinese Communist Party. The ban takes effect in January of 2024,

But people can actually still use TikTok after that. Like this law does not punish them if they use TikTok. But what it actually does is target the availability of the app by threatening entities such as TikTok, Google and Apple with a $10,000 fine for each day that the platform remains accessible in app stores for users in Montana. So from the user end, you don't actually have to do anything once this law goes into effect. But eventually, when you need to update TikTok for it to run properly, that's when it will probably become an issue. So it's kind of a way of like phasing TikTok out because people won't be able to access the app in the app store to like get the updates that you would need for it to run properly on your device. According to the Washington Post, app stores are

divided by country or global region and that they don't change or discriminate based on what state a user is in. Changing that system would require not just carving the stores into state-specific chunks, but also closer monitoring of people's locations and a by the minute system to define what happens when, for instance, a user drives over state lines. And keep in mind that, like, people can always just sort of get around this by using a VPN. So it seems like this law will be very difficult to enforce to the point where you almost kind of have to wonder, like, what the point of this law would be. The law would be nullified if TikTok is no longer headquartered in, quote, any country designated as a foreign adversary by the U.S. government. The law will

probably face a significant legal challenge. Free speech groups like the ACLU have already been vocally criticizing this law, and five TikTok creators filed a lawsuit saying that this ban infringes on their First Amendment rights. In the suit, they say the state of Montana, quote, can no more ban its residents from viewing or posting to TikTok than it could ban the Wall Street Journal because of who owns it or the ideas it publishes. So y'all probably know that we did an entire episode with misinformation specialist and TikTok creator Abby Richards about why she feels like banning TikTok just is not a good idea. We'll link to the episode in the show notes.

Definitely worth listening to. But ultimately, my take is that there is so much wrong with our current data privacy laws and landscape in the U.S. That if lawmakers truly wanted to protect our data and our privacy, banning TikTok would not really accomplish that. So I think that laws like this one, especially given that they're so difficult to actually enforce, are just sort of meant to signal to us, the American public, that lawmakers are like, cracking down on and sort of getting tough with.

big tech while actually doing nothing. And I firmly believe that what we need is meaningful policies to protect our privacy and data, not just grandstanding and posturing, yeah? Yeah, I agree. On the one hand, it's nice to see politicians taking some action. On the other hand, this law seems like bad in half a different ways and like you said, unenforceable. I'm not very sympathetic to Google crying that they wouldn't know how to do this, right? Like, it's You can geofence Google ads down to, like, a city block if you want to. So the idea that they are going to be completely unable to handle state boundaries is just dishonest, right? Like, they could technically figure it out if they wanted to, but they don't want to.

Not that this law is a good idea, because, like you said, people can get around it a bunch of different ways. It's probably unconstitutional. But, yeah, wouldn't it be nice if we saw more. thoughtful legislation that instead of just banning one app for reasons that feel awfully synophobic, what if they prohibited categories of data use or prohibited categories of data collection so that social media platforms could not harvest the personal data of Montanans without their explicit consent. You know, that feels like it would be a much better approach to actually protect people's privacy. There are a million different better approaches

that are out there. I firmly think that lawmakers want the credit for appearing to do something while actually doing nothing. That is my big problem with all of this talk of banning TikTok. Yeah. And a big part of what they're trying to do with the TikTok ban is feed anti-China sentiment, which I think there's a lot of good reasons to be concerned about China's relationship with the United States and spying on Americans. But we could definitely do without the racist rhetoric, right? Pretty much always. You know who needs to hear that? Elon Musk.

I know that I said that I wasn't going to talk about Elon Musk anymore, like for my own personal mental health and I was going to stop talking about Elon Musk. But I have to talk about this interview that he did. So last week, Elon Musk did this interview with CNBC. During the interview, he was asked about his tweets about the mass shooting in Allen, Texas, which was a total tragedy on May 8th that left eight people dead and seven people wounded. Now, let's just be super, super clear. The Texas Department of Public Safety has said that the shooter showed indications of holding neo-Nazi ideology, with an official saying that he had patches, he had tattoos.

And multiple news outlets, including the New York Times, confirmed this too. But Elon Musk basically just said a bunch of inaccurate stuff about the shooting. Elon Musk said, quote, ascribing it to white supremacy was bullshit. There's no proof that he is a white supremacist. We should not be ascribing things to white supremacy if it's false. When he doubled down on this claim on Twitter, people actually used Twitter's community notes feature to correct him, adding a footnote to the post that said, Texas police have confirmed that Alan, the mall shooter, had neo-Nazi tattoos and beliefs, and he wore a patch signifying right-wing death squad. The community note was deleted. We do not know if Elon Musk had

anything to do with that community note being deleted, but it does sound like something he would do, we have to admit. So this is my take. Obviously, the things that Elon Musk says are not true and also horrible, right? So, like, that's not what I'm giving a perspective on here. My take is that we absolutely need to talk about the fact that Elon Musk has been amplifying and engaging with extremist right-wing talking points, and he has been doing it for a really long time out in public. I think that for a while, like it was kind of easy or maybe tempting for tech journalists. Even tech journalists that I really personally like and respect, like Kara Swisher, I'm obsessed with Kara Swisher.

She is one of my idols. However, I do think that some of the tech press really kind of let him off the hook from what he is obviously doing in plain sight. Like, I think that people gave him the benefit of the doubt. They assumed that maybe something else was going on. Like maybe Elon Musk was just trolling or kind of just trying to be edgy, use edgy, huge humor or he doesn't actually believe the things that he's talking about or that maybe he's somehow just trying to like cure out both sides, as if someone like Elon Musk is far too smart to fall for

like a right-wing extremist echo chamber. But this has been going on in plain sight for kind of a long time. Like remember when Nancy Pelosi's husband, Paul Pelosi, was attacked by a man with a hammer. Elon Musk tweeted a piece from the fringe website called the Santa Monica Observer, which has previously reported things like that Hillary Clinton died at 9-11 and was replaced by a body double, this piece falsely claimed that Paul Pelosi knew his attacker and that they had had some kind of a relationship. This is obviously not true, completely baseless. Pelosi's attacker admitted that he broke into their home specifically to attack Speaker Pelosi. But after Musk tweeted this, other extremists amplified this baseless claim on Twitter, including Marjorie Taylor Green,

who defended Musk with a tweet that repeated the lie that, quote, Paul Pelosi's friend attacked him with a hammer. So Elon Musk, like, we just have to call it what it is. He traffics in well-worn conspiracy theories that are oftentimes anti-Semitic, right? So he has trafficked in a well-worn anti-Semitic trope when talking about the influential philanthropist George Soros. He tweeted, George Soros reminds me of Magneto, which is obviously comparing Soros to the Marvel supervillain, presumably because they're both Jewish Holocaust survivors. Just in case you were confused about what he was trying to say, he followed up with another tweet saying that George Soros hates humanity. Listen, Soros is an incredibly influential, connected philanthropist,

like I think he's the biggest donor to the Democratic Party. It is absolutely fine to criticize someone like George Soros' agenda, perspective, whatever. However, there is absolutely a way to do that that does not traffic in well-worn anti-Semitic tropes. Like, you don't have to compare him to a comic book super villain. You don't have to say that he hates humanity. You don't have to traffic in all of these very well-worn, anti-Semitic tropes and stereotypes in order to criticize George Soros. And I think the fact that Elon Musk continues to do so is him telling us who he is. It's him showing us who he is, where he stands, and what he believes. And we got to take him for his word. Yeah, I think you're right. And, you know, a notable difference about his defense of the

shooter is that there was nothing like funny or joky that in what he was saying, right? Like the idea that, oh, he's just like kidding or trolling or, you know, playing to the to the trolls for funsies or whatever people might say to lit him off the hook. He was just straight up defending a Nazi, right? Like there's photos of this guy's tattoos and it's like, he's got a swastika. He's got the SS lightning bolt. Like, dude was a Nazi. and Elon Musk is out there saying that he wasn't.

Just pure disinformation. Yeah, and I also think, like, when the Nancy Pelosi thing happened, I don't remember who, I want to say it was like a major funder for Myspace going, you know, a bit of a throwback. But, you know, he pointed out that it's almost like Elon Musk doesn't understand or is rejecting the responsibility that comes with being the CEO of a platform, like that he thinks he's any other user. he should be able to just tweet whatever he wants. And that's, you know, a complete fiction that, like, owning this platform comes with a responsibility. And if you're not able to responsibly and ethically handle that responsibility, then you have no business leading a platform.

And full stop. Jonathan Greenblatt, the CEO of the Anti-Defamation League, the civil rights group that combat anti-Semitism, said that the way that Elon Musk talks about George Soros will emboldened extremists. And I absolutely agree with him. Greenblatt says, Soros often is held up by the far right using anti-Semitic. tropes as the source of the world's problems. To see Elon Musk, regardless of his intent, feed this segment, comparing him to a Jewish supervillain, claiming that Soros hates humanity is not just distressing. It's dangerous.

It will embolden extremists who already contrive anti-Jewish conspiracies and have tried to attack Soros and the Jewish community as a result. I absolutely agree. And in my opinion, it is really time to see Elon Musk for who he is. If in May of 2023, you are still giving this person the benefit of the doubt, you are still saying that maybe he's joking. Maybe this is some sort of like genius move that we're too stupid to understand. It's time to let that go. Elon Musk is telling us who he is. He has told us who he is time and time again. It is time for us to believe him. You know, I think it was Maya

Angelou who said, when someone shows you who they are, believe them. Elon Musk is showing us who he is. It's time for all of us to believe him. That this is, you know, he's not just engaging with this extremist garbage by mistake. This is what he believes. This is who he is. And the sooner that we accept that, the better. Totally agree. More after a quick break.

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You sent it to me, and I saw it. And I was like, wow, people are just like writing in bizarre ways that I can't even understand anymore. I guess I am out of touch with what the kids are doing. Okay. So basically, it's this picture of Viola Davis at Kahn. She looks fantastic. She's wearing this like beautiful white gown, just like, looks amazing 10 or 10. So Essence on Facebook, they wrote, I'm going to read this verbatim.

We give credit when credit is due in Villa Davis is looking like 850. everyone at Khan can now pack your bags and return home. This is a eat. This is a eight. This is supper. God damn. The dam is broken. And the flood of goodness has overflowed 10 out of 10.

Okay. So this is clearly, like, Essence magazine is a magazine that has a black woman readership, right? And so this is obviously a post that is trying to use, like, black woman slang. Like, oh, she ate, blah, blah, blah. I get that. However, I believe, and no one, I have no proof, but no one will be able to convince me otherwise. This is written by AI. Somebody has tried to train an AI model to speak like a black woman and do black woman slang.

And I believe this, like, no one will ever be able to convince me that that's not what this is. I should say that this post has since been edited and it reads much clearer. They definitely, like, have polished it up. They've spelled Viola Davis's name correctly in the edited version. But, you know, maybe we don't need to worry about AI taking all of our jobs because this is what it looks like when AI tries to do A-A-A-A-V-E black slang. It trips them up every time, right? We should call up Shepika Hudson. Your slip is showing back in here.

Yes. Obviously, racist word salad is what she called it. Okay, so I'm going to end on a little segment that I'm hoping to return to, which is called, is this happening for everyone or happening just to me. So has anyone else on TikTok notice segments of movies taking over your For You page? It'll be just like a juicy or climactic clip from a movie. So I can't explain why, but I find these clips so deeply satisfying to watch, even if they're movies that I haven't seen, or even more when they're movies that I've seen a hundred times. The last clip that came up for me was that clip from the movie Selena,

a movie that I've seen no less than a dozen times. And I know the movie by heart. where Selena is shopping in the mall and the sales girl is like rude to her and her sister when she's shopping. And she has her like pretty woman moment. You know, well, we don't need the dress. So that segment came up on TikTok and I watched the hell out of it. And I was like, well, I've seen this movie a million times. I know exactly what's going to happen. But I don't know. There's just something deeply satisfying about these movie clips. Like there are a couple movies that I have been watching in like two minute segments on TikTok. So I want to know, is this just me? Is this happening on your?

your for you page if you are on TikTok. And if it is happening, do you find it as satisfying as I do? Like, why is it so satisfying? What's going on? What's the brain chemistry behind why this is so satisfying to watch? Yeah, it's a great question. You know, I don't spend a whole lot of time on TikTok, but I know a lot of our listeners do. So, you know, send an email at helloat tangoity.com. How else can people share their experiences? Well, you can send us an email, you can find me on social, or you can subscribe to our Patreon at patreon.com slash Tangoti. That's T-A-N-G-O-T-I. Y'all, I promise this will not be one of those podcasts where like every time you listen,

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