There Are No Girls on the Internet - Elon Musk Insists He Does Read After Joyce Carol Oates Twitter Beef

Episode Date: November 14, 2025

Christmas has come early for Bridget, because Joyce Carol Oates is beefing with Elon Musk on Twitter. Bridget explains to Producer Mike what it's about, why Joyce Carol Oates is one of her all-time problematic faves, and why Elon is now performatively demonstrating his commitment to literacy with insightful takes like "great movie" and ads declaring that he likes to read. If you’re listening on Spotify, you can leave a comment there to let us know what you think, or email us at [e-mail] Follow Bridget and TANGOTI on social media!  ||  instagram.com/bridgetmarieindc/ || tiktok.com/@bridgetmarieindc || youtube.com/@ThereAreNoGirlsOnTheInternetSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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There Are No Girls on the Internet as a production of IHeart Radio and Unbossed Creative. I'm Bridget Todd, and this is There Are No Girls on the Internet. Christmas has come early for me because Joyce Carol Oates, yes, that Joyce Carol Oates, is beefing with Elon Musk on Twitter. Mike, I have a real thing with Joyce Carol Oates. Did you know this about me? I didn't actually. Merry Christmas.

And what's up with your thing with Joyce Carol Oates? How do you know her? Why do you like her? Yes, merry, happy Joyce Carol Oates beefing with Elon Musk on Twitter to all that celebrate. So yeah, I took a survey of George Caryl Oates. Joyce Carol Oates' fiction when I was in grad school. I also, independently from that, have followed her pretty closely on social media for some time. So her beefing with Elon Musk, it feels like this is truly my time to shine. So let's back up a little bit because we did a whole episode about

another one of my favorite Elon Musk beefs, Elon Musk's beef with rapper Azalea Banks. That was probably my favorite celebrity feud up until this point. Other than perhaps the rapper Ice, and Amy Mann, the folk singer. They had a little bit of a Twitter beef that I love. But I think the Elon Musk of it all kind of illustrates what happens when somebody like Elon Musk comes up against somebody that he is just inarguably outmatched by. The Azalea Banks thing was a perfect example of what I mean. Elon Musk is an unreliable narrator.

Azalea Banks is somebody who will literally say anything about anyone or anything. Elon Musk thinks he's funny, loves to make it seem like everybody thinks he's so funny, ha ha ha. Azealia Banks, even though she is who she is, she is actually funny and can actually destroy somebody with words and can come up with an insult like nobody's business. Like she really is, she's a lyricist at the end of the day. So, you know, Mike, you know me.

You know that I am not somebody who is prone to taking a victory laugh when I say something that's proven to be 100% correct. Whatever you say, boss. We're recording. I can see your face as we're recording. And when I was saying that, I got the sense that maybe you didn't totally agree. But let's just say that's the case for now. Sure. We can say that for the case of argument. I mean, it's, uh, I guess we. Yeah, we can say that. You don't often like to take a victory lap, but it has happened. Oh, I'll take it every now and then. And I'm taking one right now because over a year ago, we were doing an episode. I about a good read scandal in the literary world. And in that episode, I said this. Joyce Carol Oates, who I have to say is kind of my like forever problematic phase. She's like the Azalea Banks of the book industry. Like nine times out of 10, she's super wrong.

But when she is right, she is so right. That's how I would describe her. I cannot quit Joyce Carol Oates. She is my forever problematic fave. I simply cannot believe how prescient that turned out to be now that Joyce Carol Oates is also beefing with Elon Musk on Twitter just like Azalea Banks was. It is a little uncanny. I mean, did you call it or did you conjure this? Did you manifest this beef? I will of this beef into existence. So as I said in that, in that quote, I am like an OG follower of Joyce Carroll Oates. Everybody's talking about Joyce Carol Oates on social media now, but it's like that Bain quote.

You merely adopted Joyce Carol Oates's Twitter presence. I was born in it, molded by it, right? I have been following this woman on Twitter for a very long time. People might not realize how prolific of a Twitter history Joyce Carol Oates actually has. She has been saying wild shit on Twitter for years. Again, not unlike Azalea Banks. Joyce Carol Oates is actually one of my favorite people to follow on Twitter, even though, yes, she is very problematic.

I will get to that in a moment. She's also kind of an irreverent personality on Twitter. So I have to admit that I am not familiar with her body of work on Twitter. How important is it for me to understand what she's like on Twitter, what she talks about there to really appreciate this thing that she's got going on with Elon? It is so important. It is key to understanding what's going on here. So let's talk a bit about how Joyce Carol Oates has showed up on Twitter.

She joined Twitter back in 2012 at the urgent. of her book publisher and has been a prolific tweeter since then. Some things that folks might have missed if they were not following her as closely on Twitter as I was. She went super viral in 2020 for posting a picture of her foot covered in poison ivy that went viral.

She also hilariously replied to a picture of the director Steven Spielberg posing next to a dead dinosaur from the film Jurassic Park. She tweeted that picture and wrote so barbaric that this should still be allowed. No conservation laws

an effect wherever this is. I loved this. There was a whole flurry of questions about whether or not she was kidding. Joanna Rothkopp over at Salon broke it down saying, there are only three possibilities. One, Oates was making a joke, 5% chance. Two, Oates didn't click on the photo and thought it was a picture of a slaughtered elephant, 80% chance.

Or three, Oates thinks the Triceratop was murdered, 15% chance. That is delightful. I honestly hope it's the last one. I hope that Oates was like, we have to save our triceratopses. I'm just glad that somebody is finally speaking up for the triceratopses. There are so few of them left. We need to stop this senseless triceratops murder. You and Joyce Carol Oates are on the same page about that one.

She also made headlines pretty recently for tweeting about how she thinks that Trump faked getting shot in Butler, Pennsylvania. So she's really, like, got her finger on the pulse sometimes. Interestingly enough, when asked about it in an interview, she said that showing up on Twitter, she doesn't even do it to get more readers. When asked about whether she was trying to reach new audiences of potential readers on social media, she bluntly said, I don't think of this at all.

Wow. So, like, what is she doing it for then? She's doing it for the love of the game, baby? Like, you've got to respect that. So the main comparison that I see between Azalea Banks and Joyce Carol Oates is that they are both women whose work and artistry I have enjoyed, but there are also people who say things that I deeply disagree with the majority

of the time. However, they're the kind of people who, when they're right, they're right, like a broken clock. When they stumble upon a truth, they really hit that truth and they do not miss. And I had no idea how prescient that comparison would become because now a year after I made it, Joyce Carroll Oates is following in Azalea Banks' footsteps in this beef with Elon Musk. And you know what? I am here for it. Yeah, but, you know, a lot of people have gotten into Twitter spats with Elon Musk lately or ex-spats or whatever we want to call them. What is it about Joyce Carroll Oates that like really pulls you in, even though in your words, you disagree with what she says the majority of the time? Oh, she is my problematic save, as I said.

first of all, Joyce Carol Oates, like Azelea Banks, can write her ass off. I read her short story, which I would say is probably one of her more famous works. Where are you going? Where have you been when I was young? And it really made an impression on me. It's this kind of slow burn Gothic horror. I recommend it for anybody who likes kind of creepy short stories. And so as we'll get to in a moment, Elon Musk keeps sort of insulting Joyce Carol Oates. But Joyce Carol Oates is like the Michael Jordan of literature.

Like you cannot insult her. You cannot like, like the numbers are there. The stats are there. She wrote her first book in 1963 when she was 26. And since then, she's written almost 60 novels. She does novels, novellas, plays, you name it. She's also kind of known for the sheer amount of writing that she does. She talks about this a lot, how from 8 a.m. to 1 p.m. every day,

she writes in, she hand writes in cursive every day. then again for two or three hours in the evening. Like, I can't express to you how much Homegirl has a storied literary career. I'll put it to you like this. From 1992 to 2014, Joyce Carol Oates published four books, and all four of them were nominated for the Pulitzer. Like, this is a woman who is about that written word. It's funny.

It kind of sounds similar to Stephen King, like another very prolific writer who is partly known for just the sheer volume of stuff that he writes. and also is used to be on Twitter a lot, but I don't think he ever won a Pulitzer. I love Stephen King as well. Can I tell you a non-sequit or fun fact about Stephen King that blows my mind?

Sure, yeah, we'd love to hear it. Stephen King was once so obsessed with Lou Bega's Mambo number five that his wife threatened to divorce him over it. Wow, I'm like running back the timeline in my mind. I'm wondering if that was before or after he got sober. Oh, what do you think? Yeah, Mambo number five. It's still out there in culture.

Tearing couples apart. Okay. So, but she's not Stephen King. We're back to Joyce Carol Oates. She's written a ton. Sounds like she's very celebrated as a writer. So what makes her problematic? Let's just say that she doesn't always have great opinions about everything,

especially when it comes to topics like race. And I wanted to mention this because I see a lot of people sort of celebrating her. And to be clear, I absolutely think that she should be celebrated for her writing and the way that her command over the written word. But I do think it's important to mention this because she is a human and she's an almost 90-year-old woman. So it should be kind of unsurprising that not every take is a banger, much like Azalea Banks. You know, she's someone who is often wrong. She's often tweeting things that are just flat out, incorrect and not accurate. But again, broken clock. When she's right, she's right. In that episode that I played a little bit from

when we first mentioned her, we were talking about the racial climate in the literary world and this false attitude that people of color are the sort of golden child of publishing right now. In that episode, we talked about how the thriller novelist James Patterson said that basically white men cannot get writing jobs right now. And Joyce Carol Oates actually backed him up. She said, a friend who was a literary agent told me that he cannot even get editors to read first novels by young white male writers, no matter how good. They are just not interested. This is heartbreaking for writers who may, in fact, be brilliant and critical of their own,

quote, privilege. In that episode, we talked about how just the facts and the stats don't back up what she's saying. Publishing is still overwhelmingly white and male. But I also wanted to include that because, like, isn't that just the way it goes sometimes? Like, Joyce Carol Oates gets it so right when she is calling out narcissistic men like Elon Musk or Donald Trump, who she calls out a lot on Twitter. But I wouldn't count on her for nuanced, thoughtful analysis of things like race all the time, right?

So I want to acknowledge that. But also, the woman has a way with words. Like when she gets it right, she gets it so right. So this whole thing with Elon Musk, let's get into it. How did that get started? Well, it starts with Joyce Carol Oates. Joyce Carol Oateson on X. On November 9th, she tweeted, quote,

So curious that such a wealthy man never posts anything that indicates that he enjoys, or is even aware of what virtually everyone appreciates. Scenes from nature. Pet, dog, or cat. Praise for a movie. Music. A book. Parentheses.

But doubt he reads. Pride and a friend's or relatives accomplishment. Condolences for someone who has died. Pleasure in sports. Acclaim for a favorite team. References to history. In fact, he seems totally unexed. educated, uncultured.

The poorest persons on Twitter may have access to more beauty and meaning in life than the most wealthy person in the world. Now, come on, that is some cold, spot on shit to say about somebody. Yeah, and she's really wielding punctuation in there, like fucking daggers and weapons. Yes. She's got a parenthetical, she's got some stuff in quotes, she's got just devastating list item after list item separated by semicolins. Wow.

It's like a goddamn E.E. Cummings poem. But also an insult. And I also think why it works is because it leads with curiosity and also pity. It's not a mean tweet. It's a true tweet. And that's even worse. Yeah. I mean, it's like a little mean.

Like it's, it is curious, but it's curious about this shell of a person. who is like so othered and lesser. But it is phrased as as curiosity. It is a devastating couple of words. This is basically Kendrick Lamar saying Drake is not like us. Like we take pleasure in sports, film, books, family, friends, nature. Even children understand and talk about and partake in these simple pleasures that seemingly just accompany what it means to be a full human.

We talk about things that they lost up. Elon Musk does seem like weirdly devoid of these things. Even Donald Trump talks about how much he likes Pavarotti. He loves Pavarotti. He loves Pavarotti. He really loves Pavarotti. That's true. Yeah, it's like she's accusing Musk of being something less than human,

like a singular person who has failed to, to appreciate the things that make all of the rest of us human. Yes, and imagine being that kind of person against a reality where you're also the world's wealthiest person. You have access to every pleasure in the world at your fingertips and you're still so miserable. And I think that she's absolutely right. You know, if what Musk spends his time talking about

and tweeting and amplifying on social media is any indication, Joyce Carol Oates is right. He is a supremely joyless person. Because when you go to a social, media feeds. It's all grievances and point scoring and dick swinging. He treats his own daughter, Vivian, who by the way, Joyce Carol Oates said, seems like a very nice girl, very cruelly. His ex-partners have all been very vocal about his cruelness toward them. He does not seem like a happy whole person. And I think that is the thing that eviscerates Trump here. I always, if you hear me

say Trump, because in my mind, they're the same guy. No, they are a little bit different, though. Trump likes Poverati. Trope likes Pavarotti. Let's see. I don't think Trump reads. But yeah, Trump likes Poverati. Let's take a quick break. Another podcast from some SNL,

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports. And we're back. You know, having done a fair bit of reading about Musk, I don't even think that Elon Musk would disagree that he is a supremely, lonely person. He has said that explicitly. He has described in interviews and to biographers

the feelings that he used to have as a child kind of staying up all night alone and how even as an adult now, he hates the feeling of being in bed alone. He hates not having somebody to share a bed with as an adult. Case in point, what do you think that Elon Musk was doing the day before Joyce Carol Oates tweeted all of this?

Any guesses? Maybe he was penning an apology to his daughter and surveying the landscape of philanthropies or charities. or charities that, like, could really use some support in these difficult economic times so that he could boost his fellow man and make amends with those that he has harmed. Maybe that's what he was doing.

Absolutely not. At 4.30 in the morning Musk time, Elon Musk was up using Grock to generate an AI video of a beautiful woman making eye contact with him and saying, And I will always love you. That's right. He was using AI to make a lady

say that she will always love Elon. Like, I'm sorry, this is some grim shit, even for Elon Musk. I actually debated whether or not to put this in the episode, because I was like, this is just very sad, and I almost feel sad bringing it up, that when the day before he was called out for being this miserable, joyless fuck, he was up at 4.30 in the morning using AI to imagine a woman saying, I love you, because he doesn't have it in real life. I'm sorry, that is very grim. It is very grim.

But like we only know that he did that because he tweeted it. He wanted the world to know that this simulated woman loves him. You're absolutely right. He doesn't see how sad and pathetic that makes him look, which is a whole other set of questions I have about how he shows up. But also, Joyce Carol Oates just really has his number as to why he is the way that he is. And so her post about him just like struck through the noise and hit a nurse. and went viral very quickly.

As of me writing this, it had 5 million views. Side note, Joyce Carol Oates is verified with a blue check mark, so I wonder if she's going to get a payout from X for generating engagement on the platform. What do you think? Oh, that's a good question. I mean, I wouldn't count on it. I wouldn't count on it.

We know he doesn't like to pay in general. I don't think she's going to get a check for this one. Um, but, you know, maybe he liked it. I don't know. How did he respond, uh, on X after she posted this? Not well, but it was in that classic Elon Musk way where it's, you know, that meme, don't print in the newspaper that I got mad because I'm not mad. I'm not mad.

He called her tweet, quote, demonstrably false saying everything she says in her post about me can be shown to be demonstrably false with a simple search. He calls her lazy and a liar as an abuser of semicolins and goes on to say, Oates in being mean, not a good human. And then he adds, eating a bag of sawdust would be vastly more enjoyable than reading the laboriously pretentious drivel of oats. I will say this. The Pulitzer Prize people disagree on that one, so I don't know. I might let them be the judge.

Also, him saying that Joyce Carroll Oates' work is pretentious is a, a, I'd tell to me that he has not read any of Joyce Carol Oates's work. Because you could say a lot of things about Joyce Carol Oates's writing style. No one would ever call up pretentious. Her writing style is sort of meant to be very accessible and tends to be pretty realistic for the most part. Like if you were trying to criticize Joyce Carol Oates's writing style, you might say, if anything, you might say it's too mundane. You would not say it's too pretentious. Anybody who says that has not spent any time reading Joyce Carol Oates, you cannot kidding him.

he's actually read any one of her novels or short stories. No, I mean, that's not shocking. He doesn't seem like a big reader in general. He's probably not reading a woman author for sure. Yes. So where I come from, we have that phrase, A Hit Dog Will Holler. Do you know that phrase, Mike?

I've heard it. I don't approve of animal violence, but like, I've heard it. Unless it's a triceratops. Yeah, kill them all. Like God stored out those dinoes. So Joyce Carol Oates basically said, a girl, a hit dog will holler. She's like, you know, it's funny, I never said explicitly that I was talking about Elon Musk. So she did quote tweet, a tweet that was like referencing him, but she is

right that she never spelled out that she was talking about Elon Musk. So funny that he would have such a big reaction because, yeah, hit dogs do holler. Joyce Carol Oates just really seems to have Elon Musk's number. Here's what she said. In speculating about the wealthiest man in the world, I did not actually state any name. I was thinking of the emblematic, the type of being that great wealth can make possible, but such wealth must seem unreal or ironic. It is impressive that Elon Musk allows critical commentary of himself on X,

that is not usually a magnanimity of spirit commiserate with the extreme type of non-empathetic person. So basically she's saying, well, I never said Elon Musk by name, but I guess it's nice that he allows criticism of himself on his platform. I should say, after she pointed this out, lots of people jumped in to say, no, Elon Musk actually does punish people who are critical of him on X. There are critical complaints that he shadow bans people who post things that are critical

of him. In a piece in the New York Times called, they criticized Musk on X, then their reach collapsed. Musk told the New York Times that he might have kicked off some critical users out of X's premium program, which boost the visibility of paying subscribers. Doing so would effectively curtail their reach and, prevent them from making any money on X. We also already know that he has absolutely no problem using X to publicly attack just regular people who are critical of him on the platform. And I mean, this just absolutely tracks with what you know about Elon Musk. He punishes people who are

critical of him. He has no problem amplifying the names of real, just regular people who talk about him and those people get dogpiled and attacked and threatened. That is definitely his MO. When this was pointed out, Joyce Carroll Oates said, now some observers are commenting that X-rated Twitter is actually censored to a degree. My perspective is obviously limited. For years, half hoping that my account would just vanish. And the time spent drifting about the shoals of Twitter like frothy Flotsam might be freed for better use. Even that is poetic, what the woman can write.

Yeah, that's some great prose, absolutely. Yeah, before this episode, you and I were talking a little bit about how I was surprised that this was even able to take off on Twitter because, or excuse me, on X, because of his history of censoring his critics. But you pointed out that her initial tweet did not use his name. And I really have to wonder if that was part of what allowed it to gain traction before, and is, you know, some kind of like censorious intervention could be put into effect. I absolutely believe that had she used,

Elon Musk's name explicitly. We would not even be making this episode. I believe that. Yeah, I totally do too. But she didn't either through luck or design. And so here she is just lobbing high-level pros at him as like devastating insult. So what else is she saying about him? So there was this banger about how Musk has lived a bunch of different places, South Africa, Canada,

now the United States. Wherever he goes, he wants to leave. That's because. when he gets there, he has brought his own self along. And whatever club he's invited to join has been devalued by the invitation. Devastating. Devastating. I mean, that one is like on a philosophical level.

Like a, like he does all this traveling because he's trying to escape himself and he cannot. So everywhere he goes, he has brought himself there. And so that experience is automatically devalued. because he is there, because he is him. She's really casting his life as like a Greek tragedy. But it is. Like she's not wrong in pointing this out that if money is commiserate with happiness, he should be happy, he should be full, he should be nourished.

How does he spend this time up at 4.30 in the morning using AI to invent women to say, I love you, right? Like she's not wrong. This is something out of a Greek tragedy, which Elon Musk wouldn't even fucking know because he, He's not going to read it. Yeah. And other than the companies that he owns, I'm kind of struggling to think of any sort of group or association or community that he is part of.

I'm really coming up with nothing. No. So along those lines, she makes another really great point about Elon Musk after her initial tweet. Truly, it was out of curiosity why a person with unlimited resources exhibit so little appreciation or even awareness of the things that most people value as giving meaning to life. Just minimally well-to-do people donate to charities, local museums, and libraries and alike, they support the Commonwealth, and unlike the very wealthy, these people pay high-income taxes, because he don't pay a lot of taxes.

Now, this is something that I have often wondered about, too. People truly need to understand how wealthy Yvon Musk is. When folks say things like, oh, there's no ethical billionaires, The reason why they say that is because if you have a billion dollars, you could meaningfully use your money to solve so many of the world's most pressing and threatening issues that we face as a people without ever really feeling any kind of meaningful personal financial loss. So the fact that you do have a billion dollars and you're not doing that, it kind of means you're an asshole. And Elon Musk has $500 billion. Compare that to somebody like Mackenzie Scott, Jeff Bezos' his ex-wife, who has been saying, steady given away $19 billion of her $35 billion net worth to HBCUs.

Shout out to my mom's alma mater, Virginia State University, who she gave money to recently, and cultural and advocacy organizations like the African American Cultural Heritage Action Fund. And according to Fortune, she still has barely made a dent in her overall network because of her Amazon shares. So for as much money as she is given away and she's given away $19 billion of it already, it's basically a drop in the bucket because she has so, much money left. If you're going to billionaire, that's how you billionaire. You foster culture and education and do what you can to use some of that massive, massive, probably unethical wealth to make the world betters for others because you have already made it yourself. You have won at

capitalism. You're done. Sledge Johns on Twitter put it really well. You can tell Elon doesn't read or have any sense of his place in history. If he did, he'd be competing with Carnegie, Rockefeller and Vanderbilt to slap his name on music halls, universities, and libraries, among other public goods. But he doesn't. It's a good point. Yeah, he doesn't do that. And those guys like Carnegie Rockefeller, these are not heroes of the working class. Yeah, I mean, Rockefeller was commissioning the muralist Diego Rivera to paint a mural in Rockefeller Center. Now, he did end up canceling this mural because it included a portrait of Lenin, so it didn't, you know, he's still like Rockefeller going to Rockefeller. But he was using money to contribute to the cultural conversation.

Like, even the Sacklers, you know, the people who gave us the opioid epidemic to enrich themselves, these people are ghouls who should be in prison. Even they are propping up the art world in the United States. Yeah, everything Elon does is just to enhance his own glory. I mean, X at this point is just like a PR hype machine for him personally. Groch is a machine to repeat his worldview where they've censored the output and readjusted it. It's training to make sure that it is more right wing and also producing the sorts of women that Elon likes to see, tell him they love him. it's not really these things are not benefiting society at large

or benefiting him as a person who owns them it's absolutely true where a lot of wealthy people even horrible, despicable, ghoulish wealthy people still donate to cultural preservation Elon Musk, his charitable spending mostly just goes back to

you guessed it himself when I was thinking about this episode I thought to myself maybe it's possible that Elon Musk is funding a lot of charitable causes, and we just don't hear much about them, right? Maybe he's doing this in secret doesn't want the acclaim. So I looked into it, and it turns out that Elon Musk does donate via the Musk Foundation, but per the New York Times, much of the Foundation's donations have gone to organizations linked back to Musk himself or his businesses and that the Foundation has for several years

fallen short of the minimum required to give away annually, potentially incurring tax penalties. So yeah, Sorry, Joyce Carol Oates is right again. And I don't know. It's just so obvious that Elon Musk clearly wants to be loved by people. He wants people to think that he is cool and funny and like in the culture, with the culture. And I would think, you know, he probably is somebody who could buy his way into being liked if he gave his money away to good causes. But he doesn't. We were talking about this off mic that, you know, that story about how he tried to get into that.

very exclusive, very famous nightclub in Berlin, Bernheim. I always have to add this. I bring it up just to have the ability to say that when we were in Berlin, Mike, we didn't have any trouble getting into Bernheim. No, we got right in. We waited in line. That same bouncer who allegedly told Elon to take a hike. Just let us right in.

No problem, you know? My claim to fame is that everybody told us, oh, you have to wear all black to get in there. If you're not wearing all black, they won't let you in. And I got in wearing head to toe. crimson and just sailed right in. That is my favorite claim to fame. I also love how Elon Musk spun, not getting in. He says, oh, well, the reason why I didn't get in is because I looked in and they had a sign inside that said peace. And I didn't like that. And I told the bouncer that I hated

that and we had a disagreement. And that's why I didn't even want to go in. Yeah, right, buddy. Yeah, you stood in line for an hour at a nightclub that you didn't want to get into because when you got to the front of the line, you saw that they had a sign. hanging inside that said peace? Sure. And I feel like if he truly wanted to become the kind of people that welcome him in at their nightclub, he could just do good things that people like. He has the money. He has the resources to do so many good things. And honestly, people like me, his biggest critics would probably sort of begrudgingly like him if he was actually using money to do good things for people and culture and not just enrich himself. But he doesn't. It's a

Instead, it's like he does the opposite. For instance, in 2020, the UN told Elon must that they needed $6 billion to help 42 million people that they said were literally going to die if they did not get help. Elon said that he would give the UN World Food Program the money if they could, quote, describe on this Twitter thread exactly how the $6 billion would solve world hunger. I will sell Tesla stock right now and do it. He followed it with the condition. It must be open source accounting so the public sees,

precisely how the money is spent. And the U-N. World Food Program did exactly that. Yahoo Finance reports that on November 15th, 2021, the U.N.'s World Food Program did that. They published a spending plan showing how the $6.6 billion would be used to provide food assistance to 42 million people in 43 countries. The plan included $3.5 billion for food procurement and delivery $2 billion for cash and food vouchers, $700 million to develop country-specific programs and $400 million for administration, oversight, and logistics. The head of the World Food Program tweeted the link directly to Musk, adding, you asked for a clear plan and open books.

Here it is. Now, despite this clear, detailed plan that they released, Musk never even replied or engaged further. It is worth noting that according to this piece, the response did not occur within the same Twitter thread, which was a specific condition that Musk outlined in his original challenge. So maybe he kind of got off on a technicality. I guess that's such BS.

And it's like not surprising that he would just ghost them on that because if you remember his fight with Zuckerberg that was supposed to happen where he just like talked about it a lot. But then eventually just like it was clear that nothing was going to happen. You know, he has a long history of saying things and then not following through on them. But this particular thing, not only did he not follow through and giving them the money, he wasted a tremendous amount of staff time of people who are like working hard to try to address world hunger

with the limited resources that they already have, which makes it particularly gross and offensive. So yeah, maybe he got them on a technicality, but like, who cares about the technicality? you know, it's like, it's all just a game to him. He could have just said no. Yeah, he could have just said no, or he could have not said anything, or he could have pushed back, or he could have engaged with the UN World Food Program offline and worked something out where he gave him a far lesser amount, but still did something good. Instead, he just, like, disappeared on this, you know, did, yeah, this.

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So what's funny to me is that Elon Musk did not dispute any of Joyce Carol Oates' claims about his selfishness or lack of charity or the idea that he devalues every club that he joins or any of that. He just got hung up on disputing this he doesn't read claim. It's like he picked the most specific. bit out of her entire long insult and decided this is the thing I can refute. And also that was the piece that was like in parentheses. Something about putting in parentheses makes it like just penetrate extra deep. Yes. So Musk starts replying to posts about films and books, you know, culture to show that he is a cultureed person who knows about and enjoys culture. He replies to someone's post about the Tom Cruise movie Edge of Tomorrow, which,

with great movie, and later to somebody's post about the film The Fifth Element, saying, Fifth Element has great style. Leon put it so well on Blue Sky that it will be like if Joyce Carol Oates accused Elon Musk of not knowing his shapes, and he just started replying to posts about shapes with great shapes to prove otherwise. He also tweeted about his love of the Iliad saying, Can't recommend the Iliad enough, and noted that the book is best enjoyed as the penit,

audiobook version at 1.25 speed, but then he actually posted a link for The Odyssey, not the Iliad. So I don't know, he's just like not meeting these uncultured doesn't read charges to me. No, and why would he know, like, it's best enjoyed at 1.25 speed? Like, what does that have to do with the text? So I honestly think that for a lot of people reading is just another thing to conquer. It's just another proof point about how smart and accomplished you are. So, of course, you want to consume it on fast mode because the whole point is just like getting through it. It's not about appreciating it or spending time with it or wrestling with it or enjoying it. It's just about finishing it. I was really struggling with this because the recommendation of playing it

on audiobook sped up. I can't even make an analogy of why that is so weird. If I was like, Oh, what books do you like to read? Oh, you got to listen to the alien on 2XB. It's just such a weird thing to say about a piece of art. It really speaks more to his experience of reading it or in this case listening to it than it does about the work itself, which is like a weird way to criticize a piece of literature, but totally makes sense for a narcissist who doesn't, believe that other people exist in the world.

Some on Twitter even got served with sponsored posts on the platform, letting them know that Elon Musk actually does read with a list of his favorite books. This was the sponsored ad on Twitter for Blinkist. When he's not building rockets, boring tunnels beneath Los Angeles or sending cars into space, Elon Musk reads a lot. Here are nine nonfiction books he thinks that we all should read. That is the saddest shit. And it's got a little like a little like cartoon image of his face looking thoughtful as if perhaps he's just read something and it has moved him.

They got the man all etched like in the Wall Street Journal. You know those like etches. They got them all etched to make them look deep. Yeah. Yeah, to look deep. Exactly. Also like in this copy which presumably came from his PR team, the first two things when he's not building rocket. it's like, okay, we're boring tunnels beneath Los Angeles, like, specifically beneath Los Angeles.

That's just what he does. That's what the boring company's been doing for the past, like, 30 years. Just digging tunnels beneath Los Angeles. Who's using these tunnels? No one. No one's using these tunnels. They've not moved a single passenger, but he's down there digging them. Down there boring.

You know how Elon does? Truly, I have never seen a hit dog do more hollering in. my life. Meanwhile, I should say that while Elon Musk was raged tweeting about how not mad he was, don't put in the newspaper that I got mad because I did it, Joyce Carol Oates was tweeting about how she was on a return flight from a lovely literary festival in Charleston sitting next to a very cute dog, like truly unbothered all of this was going on. I mean, she's like, she's older, right? She's almost 90. People of that age bracket just like do not give a fuck. Like I, I, try to swear of this podcast, but like, there's just no other way to say they didn't

talk about fuck. No, she'll just eviscerate Elon Musk casually and then go to the Charleston Literary Festival right after. Like, oh, look at this cute dog. Basically, like, literally, that's, that is her life. So the big question that I, that I wanted to pose to you and to the listeners, do we think Elon Musk actually reads? Good question.

Listeners, let us know. Email us at hello at tangoity.com. So I think it's debatable. Ronan Farrow, who has written a lot about Elon Musk, has a great exploration of the different science fiction pieces that Musk has said that he likes and is inspired by, but how Rodin Farrow points out that Elon Musk almost always seems to take away the wrong thing

from all of these texts that he says are his favorites. He said that his hero is Douglas Adams, a writer who skewered the hyper-rich, and also Musk's own, kind of progress at any cost ethos. Musk is also an avowed fan of Deus X. Also, one of my favorite video games, it's a first-person role-playing game

with a heavy focus on ability-enhancing body modifications. And he's talked about it a lot when discussing his company, Neurilic, which has that same focus. The plot of the game turns on a manufactured plague designed to control the masses. And during the pandemic, when Musk was embracing COVID denialism,

He actually changed his Twitter profile picture to an image of the protagonist from the game. But Deus X, like The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, is a fundamentally anti-capitalist text in which the manufactured plague is the culmination of years of unrestrained corporate power. And the villain of the game is the world's richest man, who is a media-darling entrepreneur with global aspirations and political leaders under his thumb. So if I had to say what was going on, I think it's a combination of when somebody says their favorite book is Catcher in the Rye, because that's the only book that they read because they read it and they had to read it in high school. And when somebody hasn't read a particular book all the way through, but they feel like they know enough about it. They've gotten the gist enough to sort of claim that they've read it. I'm not above this. That is like me when I tell people, sure, I've read infinite jest, but really I've just read Consider the Lobster and I will never read Infinite Just, but I feel like I've gotten the gist and enough to be like, sure, I've read it. I mean, I've gotten the gist. But Elon's like list of his science fiction that he loves, they're good books, they're classic works,

but they are like intro to science fiction 101. For somebody who's supposed to be like Earth's sci-fi genius, come on, it's just like not deep at all. It is like entry-level science fiction that he's even talking about, sending aside the fact that he's like getting a lot of it wrong. Yeah, exactly. So I won't say that I don't believe that Elon Musk has never read a book before. Like, I believe he is someone with literacy,

which is something I am not convinced of when it comes to Trump. I am not convinced that Trump is somebody who has literacy. But I don't even think that Joyce Carol Oates literally meant that Elon Musk does not read. Like, whether or not he reads was not the substance of her criticism, him taking this one specific bit and then taking it super literally. Honestly, it kind of is like what a non-reader would do to me. I think it says a lot that that's how he's going about refuting all of this. Yeah, I think, yeah, he's just like really lashed onto that one thing

and is just like buying ads to refute it by demonstrating that he has read books. Yeah, I just think that what she meant is that he is not well read. And that he isn't like, I agree with Joyce Carol Oates. I don't think he's the kind of person who reads things and takes lessons or messages or values from them the rest, the way the rest of us do. I think there is an entire subsection of kind of tech and business guys for whom reading is just another thing to wield that people to prove how powerful and smart and better than other people they are. like men who keep that book the 48 laws of power or the art of war on their shelves

to look smart and accomplished. By the way, Donald Trump has said Art of War is one of his favorite books. Guarantee you, he has not read it. Guarantee. I have also not read it, but I did listen to a friend of the show Michael Hobbs' podcast, if books could kill about it.

And it's all like about how to maneuver oxen in old-timey fifth century military tactics and shit. Donald Trump didn't read that shit. It's just funny to me that toxic men have held that book up, but they definitely have not read as a book that makes them look like powerful. When really it's like, oh, what did you find applicable to your current situation, like navigating your promotion at work, the bit about how to maneuver oxen over snow?

Like what were the takeaways here that you found so meaningful and applicable to your current situation? You know, trying to scheme on data in accounting. to make your way up in this real estate office. Actually, like, maybe one of the technological innovations of that book was just the branding of it and, like, putting basically the whole, like, so much of the whole message, like, into the title, like, where you can just read the title and feel like you get the gist,

just project your own preconceived ideas onto it and call it good enough. Oh, my God. No offense to men, because I know. you are one, but like the men who hold that book, the art of war up as a meaningful text in their lives, it's like, what war are you fighting? Like, genuinely. And it also reminds me of like, you know, I know men who brag about how they only read nonfiction or, quote, philosophy, which let's be real, philosophy is like self-help for men, but they don't want to call it self-help, like Jordan Peterson books and things like that. As if reading nonfiction or like philosophy

makes you better or smarter when in reality everybody knows like this is a proven thing reading fiction, certain types of fiction is linked to the ability to have empathy for others and their experiences and creativity not to mention it's just pleasurable.

It's just fun. Yeah, I guess I just hate when people put down the reading of others. You know that all I read is like trashy fiction. Do you remember the time that we were at the bar and our friend Abby was talking about

a fantasy book? I can't remember the book, but it was about dragons. It was a book Fourth Wing by Rebecca Yaros, which is like one of the most popular books to come out in the past year. A lot of people read it. It's like young adult, it's fiction. It's a little sexy, but it's, you know, a lot of people enjoy it. I read that book. It was a good book.

So our friend Abby was telling us about reading that book, and our bartender overheard and was like, like, oh, just trashy, lowbrow fantasy for women. And I was like, oh, why? I don't know, because all I read is smut. And, like, literally the reviews are like, zero plot 10 out of 10. No plot whatsoever. 10 out of 10. Really, he wasn't wrong.

The only incorrect word in that set in his criticism was just, like, yeah, it's trashy, lowbrow science fiction. But, like, that's fine. People love it. It's great. Well, yeah, like, I guess I just feel like, I don't know, you, you, we, we, talked about this how I did not read a ton for a long time. I was in like a very long reading slump and I was gone to the beach and I brought the book, The New Jim Crow by Michelle Alexander

with me. And that's a, that's a meaty book. And I was like, oh, I had just heard an interview with heard about it. I was like, I got to read this book. And I took this book in my carry-on to the beach and I did not crack. I did not like read one sentence. And someone was like, oh, why didn't you like get like just a trashy beach read. I thought, fiction, that's right. And now I'm just getting a whole lot more enjoyment out of the act of reading. And so, again, no shade to nonfiction, because I definitely get a lot of value out of it. I might even be putting a little of it out into the world myself one of these days.

Teaser, teaser, teaser. I believe that's called foreshadowing. Oh, in the literary world. Yes, it is. Very good, very good. But like that, that, I realized I was making reading, I was making reading something that I wasn't looking forward to anymore. And reading a lot of like thrillers and mysteries and smut was really getting me back into the space of just crack and open a book, which now I do quite a lot. Yeah.

I am, when I was a child, I read all the time. And lately for the past several years, I'm just like not reading much. And I don't know why. And it kind of bums me out and I want to read more. but that book that that mean bartender was shitting on, I devoured that thing in like a week. Yeah, because it was like dragon smut, but like whatever. It was an easy read.

It was fun and it felt good to read it. And so even though like you, if you were to be asking me like, what kind of things am I reading these days, it would be stuff that I would be like embarrassed to tell you about. even still, if somebody told me that I did not read and I was not a reader, I would not feel the need to like take out a paid ad trying to convince them otherwise, right? I would laugh because I have degrees in literature, right? Like I am a student of literature and the student of literature in me loves to see a little old lady writer completely body Elon Musk with the power of the humanities. As Brandon Bishop put it on blue sky, Joyce Carol Oat is demonstrating the value of the human rights. A lot is demonstrating the value of the human beings. Humanities through public ownership of the richest man on Earth. To wrap it up, like, what I really love about this and why I wanted to talk about it on the podcast is that I think it goes to show the power of words.

Elon Musk is the richest man on the planet. He is one of the most powerful men on the planet. And here he is being eviscerated by an almost ninth-year-old writer who is just good at expressive herself with words. As Zarathustra put it on blue sky, Elon Musk is incalculably rich. more famous and more powerful than Joyce Carol Oates. She has nothing that could hurt him except the truth. And I would say that is a power that we all have.

We may not have their money. We may not have the White House. We may not have rockets. We may not own our own social media platforms, but they do not own the truth that still belongs to us. The writers, the readers, the little old ladies who refuse to shut up. Joyce Carol Oates reminded him and all of them that words, still bite, they still sting, they still cut through all the nonsense, and they still hold the truth.

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