There Are No Girls on the Internet - Emiru Attacked at TwitchCon; Tea App Ends with a Whimper; Charlie Kirk Grifters; Spotify ICE Ads; OpenAI's Browser Never Forgets – NEWS ROUNDUP!
Episode Date: October 24, 2025Digging into all the tech news you might have missed so you don't have to. Tea App pulled from Apple's app store: https://techcrunch.com/2025/10/22/apple-confirms-it-pulled-controversial-dating-apps-t...ea-and-teaonher-from-the-app-store/ Spotify running anti-immigrant ads for ICE, bands and labels pull their content: https://www.stereogum.com/2317141/king-gizzard-the-lizard-wizard-remove-their-music-from-spotify-fuck-spotify/music/ Boycott Spotify campaign info: bit.ly/cancelspotify Dodgy website collecting donations to punish people over Charlie Kirk comments won't say how the money was used, donors feel scammed (because they were): https://x.com/forcharliekirk1/status/1967019271097295187 Kristy Noem posted a video of a masked youth with captions saying he was targeting ICE agents for a bounty offered by drug cartels: https://x.com/DHSgov/status/1979265889599131994 Except the guy in the video says he recorded it months ago, it was about Iran, and DHS added those captions themselves: https://www.tiktok.com/@mr.floridajhit/video/7562384689126837518?_r=1&_t=ZP-90nJ1pU7qkZ Live streamers were afraid to go to TwitchCon because of lax security and past incidents and then streamer Emiru was assaulted on stage: https://www.tubefilter.com/2025/09/25/valkyrae-qtcinderella-twitchcon-security-dan-clancy/ and https://www.reddit.com/r/TikTokCringe/comments/1oam2d3/twitch_streamer_emiru_was_assaulted_at_twitchcon/ OpenAI announces a new AI-powered web browser. It's a convenient security nightmare. This hilarious review sums it up well: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/activity-7386538226838183936-lXqZ/ The annual survey "Teen and Screens" is full of interesting data about what young people are into. Among other things, they want to see authentic friendships: https://www.scholarsandstorytellers.com/teens-screens-25 If you’re listening on Spotify, you can leave a comment there to let us know what you thought about these stories, or email us at hello@tangoti.com Follow Bridget and TANGOTI on social media! || instagram.com/bridgetmarieindc/ || tiktok.com/@bridgetmarieindc || youtube.com/@ThereAreNoGirlsOnTheInternetSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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And this is another installment of our weekly news roundup
where we dig into the stories online that you might have missed,
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So you know this, Mike.
Listeners know this.
My favorite thing in the world to talk about is scams.
So I want to start with some scams.
No, not the scam of your smart toilet or smart light switch
or smart cooling mattress crapping out on you because AWS was down.
Did you hear about that?
I did, yeah, during that day early this week when AWS was down
and all of the internet just ground to a halt.
There were people who had, like, internet-connected mattresses that went haywire and just, like, folded up on them.
I don't know if they folded up on anybody.
That's what I heard.
They folded up on them.
They were crushed.
I will say it really made me realize how much I have taken for granted that Amazon Web Services runs everything.
And maybe that's bad.
Maybe it's not cool that this one company runs everything.
And then it also made me realize, too, how much stuff out there is tech enabled these days?
The mattress was probably the weirdest thing.
Imagine being like, oh, the Wi-Fi is out so I can't use my smart pillow or whatever.
I just was really, I had never heard of anything like that.
It really blew my mind.
Yeah, it's a good reminder that, like, maybe your mattress doesn't need to be connected to the internet.
I have an air conditioner, just like a window unit air conditioner that is Wi-Fi enabled.
I didn't want that.
connected it to Wi-Fi. I don't know why I would want that, but it was like a big marketing
point on the side of the box when I bought this thing. Oh, I mean, you've heard me complain about this
for hours and hours. The saga of me trying to pick a sunrise alarm clock, and I almost bought that
alarm clock, the hatch clock, which I did want deeply and badly, but it was way too expensive.
And I thought, oh, it might just be worth it. I'm so picky about my alarm clock, because I want
such particular features in an alarm clock. And then I realized,
oh no, you don't just plunk down $200 or whatever on the clock.
You also have to pay a monthly subscription service fee to use all the features.
And you were like, you're not getting an alarm clock subscription.
No, that's a bridge too far.
No one should have an alarm clock subscription.
I'm sorry to the like subscription model alarm clock industry.
But that's not a thing we need.
We have the technology to deliver it for free.
I cannot imagine what premium features I would gain access to for $999 a month or whatever it is.
They had like Rup Paul doing wake up affirmations.
I mean, I will say, I'm not going to lie and say I was totally disinterested in some of these features.
I was like down the rabbit hole on this alarm clock purchase, which in the end I ended up buying one for like $30.
And it worked just fine.
No, so obviously that level of subscription, complete scam.
But I have a couple of scam updates for you all.
That sounds great. What scam you want to start with first?
Tea app and the tea on her app saga. So we've been talking about this since the summertime.
Y'all will recall that the tea app was designed ostensibly for women to be able to spill tea on the men they were interested in potentially dating.
It was really marketed as the safety thing, right, a way for women to vet men to make sure that abusers were not running their way into all of our hearts.
But when you look a little deeper, it really seemed like it was more of an exploitation.
thing because this company did not do the bare, bare minimum to keep their user safe.
And then their user's information, including driver's licenses that were used to verify
people's genders to sign up, were leaked by 4chan.
We also covered the male version of the T app for men to post tea about the women that
they were interested in dating.
And they also had their information leaked.
So everybody's getting their information leaked and exposed equality.
We've done it.
Gender equality.
What is wild to me is that even as those leaks happened,
like when the T app was in the news and the T on her app was in the news,
because of this massive, massive leak,
both versions of the app were incredibly popular, more popular than ever.
And so I don't know what it says about us,
but people were continuing to use the apps.
Yeah, it's disappointing, but not that surprising.
I think there's a lot of digital nihilism out there
where people just feel like, well, my data's always.
already out there. So what's the harm of just completely exposing a photo of my driver's license
and my name and birth date to my address and my address to all of the internet? To be clear,
there's people who are deeply misguided and we need to help them realize that they're incorrect.
I'd suspect that's a lot of it. So we have another update, which is that both the T app and the T on her app
have been removed from the Apple App Store, 404 Media, who initially broke,
this massive story, said that Apple told Zaminan
an email that it had removed the app as well as the T on her app
for failing to meet the company's terms of use
around content moderation and user privacy.
Apple also said that it received an excessive number of complaints,
including ones about the personal data of minors being posted on the app.
So pretty bad.
Apple said that it has parts of its guidelines that say that
apps are not allowed to share someone's personal data
without their permission,
and that any app on their app store needs to have
a mechanism for reporting objectionable content. Mike, do you have any idea how the T-Ap
is responding to all of this being taken down off the App Store?
Are they posting on the T-on App Store's app?
No, but that would be pretty good if they were.
Watch out for Apple.
This company will kick you off of their app store without any warning.
So, weirdly, the T-App is still just posting on social media like none of this ever happened.
Their most recent post, and I checked, this was their most recent post as of us recording this, was on Instagram where they say, the first ever girls only space that truly amplifies women's voices and gives them an anonymous space to share their experiences, find comfort, and get the info they need on the men they're talking to in the name of all caps, dating safety, heart emoji.
So the T app is just posting through it.
And I honestly think that says a lot about the ethos of this particular app.
You know, the TAP branded itself as this tool that was all about women's empowerment and women's safety.
The founder shared this story, which turned out to be, in my opinion, obvious BS about how he decided to make the app because his mom had been on a bunch of bad dates with people who had criminal records.
And he just wanted to make a platform for women to be able to stay safe.
For All 4Media talked to a woman who the founder had been trying to come on board as the founder.
and she's like, oh, I never heard that story.
That story is made up.
And I think, you know, it's this platform
that was trying to brand itself this way,
but at the end of the day,
it was just another data-hungry startup
trying to use feminism and women's safety
as a marketing hook.
Like a lot of these stories,
I feel they end the same way.
A privacy scandal and then a takedown.
And I guess for the T-app,
just like fronting on social media
pretending that everything is fine.
I have to wonder if there's even anybody behind
that social media.
account at this point, like given how just piss poor they were about, like, security and
building the app itself, I have to imagine that an equal amount of non-care went into their
social media work. And like, I would not be surprised if they just had chat GPT spit out,
like, a thousand little tweets worth of content and then scheduled them for the rest of time. And so it's
just like a zombie account, posting the hope that a little more data trickles in.
That's sweet, sweet data.
Okay, so speaking of obvious scams, we told you in our episode about Charlie Kirk how
the literal day after Charlie Kirk was murdered, a site sprang up promising to unmask anybody
not being sufficiently mournful in the wake of his death.
And that site kind of seems like it was scamming people.
Like, from the jump, I remember going to that site and being like, who put their information
into the site. Well, that site initially called exposed Charlie's murderers,
promised to make a searchable trove of names and workplaces for, quote, the largest firing
operation in history, Charlie Kirk would have been so proud. According to Dropsite News,
the website listed six cryptocurrency blockchains and asked supporters to fund a, quote,
highly sophisticated enterprise system that will be impervious to leftist attacks.
Basically, it sounds like whoever set this up, just collected a bunch of money and then dipped.
Over a two-day period, the website's anonymous developers collected more than $30,000 per coin tracker software used for crypto-based taxes.
Folks might recall they were initially called exposed Charlie's murderers, and then they rebranded as the Charlie Kirk Data Foundation on September 14th.
Then the site was deplatformed, and now they basically disappeared altogether with that $30,000 of donations.
It really just seems like, according to this piece in DropSite news,
Baitas took a bunch of people's money and then bounced.
The group has not responded to several inquiries from DropSight
about where the donations went,
and whether or not they're still planning to create that big database for all the firings.
And a lot of the folks who spent money on this enterprise are not happy.
I bet it's probably really upsetting to be a dope.
I love how they went from, let's make a list of leftists we don't like,
to let's build a highly sophisticated enterprise system with your money, please.
And then wound up with, just give us the money and we'll be on our way.
Yeah.
Like, you know what this is?
This is a scam.
Just hand it over.
You know what it is.
So, yeah, people might have gotten scammed, $30,000, $190 crypto payments, and what do they have
to show for it?
A ghost website and like a bunch of angry donors.
And again, just like the T.
I think it is a reminder that in this stage of our...
online outrage and online morality, there is always someone ready to monetize your outrage. And sometimes
they will just vanish. Poof, done, gone. And just like the T app, I mean, my big thing with the TF was that
I could sense that it was a company that I thought was trying to materially capitalize on
gender wars outrage. And so that was sort of like how they were getting their marketing. And so I just think
that any company that pops up, in this case literally overnight, promising to turn your anger or
your fear into something more is probably a company worth thinking twice about getting involved in.
That is such good advice. And there's not a lot of like universal good advice in this day and age,
but I feel like anybody who is trying to encourage you to push the gas on your outrage, that's like a huge.
huge red flag.
Oh, yes.
Like, oh, you're outraged,
you're angry, you're fearful.
We'll give us your driver's license and $40.
And we can take this to the next level.
That should be a big red flag.
Just for anybody,
all across the board.
Even before they get to the part
where they make the ask for the money,
just like, you should lean into that anger.
You should lean into that fear.
You're right to feel those things.
We need to punish the people
who have done this to you.
That's just not.
not something that somebody who's trying to help is going to say.
Absolutely not.
Speaking of not trying to help,
Big text capitulation of the Trump administration continues.
This time it is Spotify and ICE.
So we talked a while back about how a number of musicians like Massive Attack,
one of my favorite groups, Sylvia, S.O.,
one of your favorite groups, Mike Kagan-Gisard and the Lizard Wizard,
which the first time you told me about that group,
I, for the entirety of the conversation,
I did not know if you were making it up or not.
I said, oh, this is a real band or is this a band that you're,
are you trying to get one over on me with this band name?
You have no idea how many albums they have.
I still don't know if they're a real band or not.
Oh, they're a real band.
They rock.
They are awesome, talented musicians who just like crank out music.
Go listen to Rattlesnake.
Okay, well, you're going to like them even more now
because they have all taken their music off of Spotify.
a lot of these artists cite Spotify founder Daniel X,
investment in the AI military company Helsing
for why they have removed their music from the platform.
And now it's gone from worse to worser, as they say online,
because Spotify is running these horrible ICE recruitment ads
on their non-paid ad-supported tier.
The ads say, in sanctuary cities,
you're ordered to stand down while dangerous illegals walk free
and urge listeners to, quote,
fulfill their mission and join the mission to protect.
Protect America by joining ICE.
I should say, it is not just Spotify either.
YouTube, Pandora, HBO Max, and others also have these ads on their platforms.
Pretty distasteful, right?
It is distasteful.
Well, don't worry, because a Spotify spokesperson says the ads do not violate Spotify
advertising policy, and that Spotify has no intention of discontinuing those ads.
And the spokesperson says, chill out, y'all, because if you don't want to hear these ads,
listeners are free to thumbs up or thumbs down these ads,
which would supposedly mean that I guess these ads would play a little less often on your personalized feed.
To me, that simply does not address the problem.
And the fact that the spokesperson was like, oh, people can just like say they don't like these ads via thumbs down.
It just shows to me how not seriously Spotify is taking this.
I also love how the ads just become like another form of content.
Like, oh, I love this ad.
Give me more of these ads.
No one says that. No one wants that.
Stereo gum reports that the record label Epitaph, which has bands like Bad Religion and Pennywise,
and then their sister label, Anti, which has musicians like Nico Case, Nick Cave, and Tom Waites,
have both posted a message calling for Spotify to remove these ads.
So Snopes reached out to the Department of Homeland Security, which oversees ICE, about these ads.
The assistant DHS secretary responded basically saying, yeah, we're doing a huge nationwide recruitment campaign,
saying, quote, the ICE recruitment campaign is a resounding success with more than 150 applications rolling in from patriotic Americans answering the call to defend the whole land by helping to arrest and remove the worst of the worst from our country.
You know, people who are being arrested lawfully at court appointments or appointments with their attorney or people who are trying to pursue gainful employment to put food on their table, you know, the worst of the worst people.
It's one of the most cruel and duplicitous things, this cruel and duplicitous administration has done and continues doing, is attempting to smear all immigrants to this country as the worst of the worst, as if everyone who's an immigrant here is like a dangerous criminal when the data is pretty clear that immigrants in this country are less likely to commit violent crimes than Native Board Americans.
Yes. And I think, you know, first of all, don't let anybody ever tell you that technology is neutral ever again because I think what the Spotify is,
ads really show us is how deeply entwined big tech has become with government power and our current
administration, even the most odious parts of it. When you have platforms claiming neutrality while
profiting off of these ICE recruitment ads, it's not neutral at all. It is a choice for artists
to see their music as protests. That choice probably makes Spotify feel a lot less like a platform
for creativity and more like an arm of the state. And I think the content of these ads, in the ads,
They're not even pretending to be neutral, right?
They don't sound like ads that are recruiting people to nonpartisan civil service or government jobs.
They sound like campaign ads for the Trump administration.
Their ads are partisan as hell.
Yeah.
They use the exact same language.
And like most messaging out of the Trump administration, they're full of lies.
Lies about people and lies about our cities being crime-ridden hellholes filled with the worst of the worst, as they call it.
Yeah, there's nothing neutral about it.
And people are leaving Spotify in protest.
And so if you are hearing this and you're like, fuck ice, fuck Spotify, just go to bit.
com slash cancel Spotify.
They have an entire page of resources to help organize folks who are interested in
boardhiding Spotify.
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Speaking of ICE lies, I don't think anybody needs to be reminded that Homeland Security Secretary Kristy Noam is a lot of
but now she is lying on a specific black youth.
So she has been saying that drug cartels were placing bounties on ICE agents' heads.
Then the official DHS account posted a video purporting to show a young black man
featuring an on-screen message that reads,
ICE were on the way.
Word in the streets, cartels put a 50K bounty on y'all.
Only the person in this video said,
I never said that.
That was not what my video was about.
they stole my video and made this up.
So he said it was an old TikTok that he made
where he wasn't talking about ICE at all.
He was actually talking about Iran as a joke
and that DHS took the video, edited it
to make it seem like he was threatening ICE
before disseminating it.
Here's a little bit of what he had to say.
Then I seen the caption and then I was like, wait, I didn't do that.
I still got the videos saved on my draft
a month ago on TikTok, bro.
I'm going to pull it up right here.
Now here's the fucked up part.
The federal government is involved with something that I didn't do.
Like, what?
So this is what they reposted off my TikTok that video got taken down.
So here's what they reposted on their page.
Now, that video is going crazy to hit on Twitter, bro.
Now, I'm a threat to the government with something that I didn't do, bro.
I'm being called I want to be YAN, I want to be gangster over a video that I didn't captioned.
I didn't post.
DHS is sticking by what they said.
A DHS spokesperson told the Independent,
this young man posted violent threats of murder against our law enforcement.
He then deleted it when he was called out and attempted to deny all wrongdoing.
We have the receipts and the internet is forever.
DHS did not edit, change, use AI, or any other manner to alter this video.
So I don't know for sure.
and this is just my opinion about how they are able to say this about this man's video.
This man has been so clear that it was about Iran.
I never mentioned ICE.
This video was months old.
What they're saying is not true.
I think what DHS is saying is that we did not use AI or edit the video,
but that putting text on somebody else's video,
they're probably banking on people not seeing that as editing
because that is so commonplace on TikTok.
So they're saying we didn't show.
change what he does in the video via AI or manipulate it. But in my opinion, what they're probably
leaving out pretty crucially is that certainly he did not put that that text on the screen about a
50K bounty. They added that. So I think that it kind of reminds me of the MS. Do you remember the
MS-13 thing where they very clearly went in and typed MS-13 on a tattoo for President Trump?
and then later in a debate,
it was clear that President Trump
did not understand that somebody had obviously gone in
and written MS-13,
that that was not the literal image of a tattoo.
And like, it's a semantics of it.
It's so stupid, but I think that's what's going on here.
If I had to say, this is just my opinion.
I mean, it makes sense what you've described.
It's insane that that is something
that the Department of Homeland Security
could be credibly accused of doing,
but absolutely.
I mean, they use that same kind of like
gotcha technicalities about semantics
and court filings with judges.
So why wouldn't they use them with the American public?
The words they had on the screen,
ICE were on the way,
word in the street,
cartels put a 50K bounty on you all.
So like,
what we're supposed to believe
is that this youth heard somebody on the streets,
say that some unspecified cartels have a bounty.
And so he's hoping to collect that.
He's just going to, like, attack an ICE officer
and then show up at some unspecified cartel headquarters
and be like, where's my $50,000?
That's what we're meant to believe is a real thing.
Yeah, it doesn't quite pass the sniff test with me either, I have to say.
And who wouldn't want to join the ranks of an organization like this?
Who wouldn't want to work with people like this?
God, yeah.
Yeah, that's just the, I mean, they talk about going out for the worst of the worst.
They should really look at their own ranks.
Like, these are not the best of the best.
They're not sending their best.
Okay, so this is a little bit of a tough story.
So trigger warning up top.
But we have to talk about the climate going on toward women streamers right now.
Weeks ago, streamers, Valcrieve.
and QT Cinderella said that they were really worried about going to TwitchCon this year,
which is a big gathering of live streamers and the people that watch them.
They were specifically concerned about things like lack security at events where live streamers
gather after some pretty high-profile events where folks were able to crash those events.
They also pointed to an increasing number of violent or harassing incidents,
specifically targeting women who make digital content and live-stream content.
Twitch's CEO, Dan Clancy, who runs TwitchCon, which is owned by Amazon, said that the company takes security very seriously.
But, unfortunately, on the first day of TwitchCon, the popular streamer Amiru was assaulted during a meet and greet at the event.
So I saw the video of what happened.
It's horrifying.
She's standing there.
There's people around.
And basically this big guy rushes up to her and grabs her.
To me, I mean, I wasn't there, but to me, it almost looked like he was trying to.
to choke her, but other people said that he was trying to, like, grab her to kiss her.
Either way, it is terrifying.
Her security guard, who was standing nearby, shoves the man, and then the man is just sort of
allowed to visibly kind of walk away.
Twitch later clarified that that man was found, apprehended, and removed from the event,
and banned from future events.
According to tube filter, they say that it's worth noting that the security personnel who
pushed that man is not this streamer's preferring.
bodyguard because her preferred bodyguard was permaband from Twitchcon because at a previous event,
he physically stopped a man who had been stalking Amiru around the convention. Now, she explained
that her bodyguard did not push, punch, or hurt the stalker in any way. He just held it in place,
but because he physically engaged the stalker, he is no longer allowed to work with her or protect
her at Twitchcon events. So when she was assaulted at Twitchcon this time around, her preferred security
guard was not there because these organizers had banned him. So in a statement, Amiru disputed
much of Twitch's account of what happened during this assault. She said that they, what they said
was a blatant lie. Here's what she had to say about the incident. Yesterday, the man who assaulted
me was allowed to cross multiple barriers at TwitchCon and even in front of another creator's
meet and greet tried to grab me and kiss me. Fortunately, he wasn't able to, but a lot of people
have pointed out that it could have been a lot worse. I'm obviously shaken up at what happened, and it's not the
first time that I've dealt with something like this. But to tell you, honestly, I'm a lot more
hurt and upset by how Twitch handled it during and after the fact. I don't understand how he was
allowed to make it to me in the first place. The security in the clip who reacts is my own security.
It's true, my favorite and usual security guard was banned for holding a stalker's arm to bring him
to police at a past TwitchCon. However, there were at least three or four other TwitchCon
security staff in the area who did not react and let the guy walk away, as you can see in the clip,
since they don't even appear in the frame,
LOL.
She says that the people in the clip
who are checking on her
are her own friends and staff
and that none of the TwitchCon staff
even came to ask what was happening
or that she was okay.
It gets worse because she says,
my friend who was present told me
Twitch security were also behind the booth afterward,
joking about how they didn't see what happened
and immediately laughing
and moving on to talk about something else.
So if no one was checking if I was okay
or needed anything and they let the guy run away initially,
I have no idea what anyone hired to keep the event safe was doing.
In Twitch's statement, they said the guy was immediately caught and attained.
I'm sorry, but that is a blatant lie.
He was allowed to walk away from my meet and greet,
and I didn't hear that he was caught until hours after he attacked me.
And it felt like this only happened because of my manager pressing for it,
not because TwitchCon staff present thought it was a big deal.
And yeah, I really feel for her.
It's horrifying that this has happened.
you know, there have been other incidents or people run up on celebrities or public figures that they have parisocial relationships with and things end much worse.
You know, people like Christina Grimmie, who in 2016 was doing a meet and greet and was killed by a obsessive stalker who went up to her a meet and greet and murdered her just in front of all of her fans.
And so what this live streamer is saying is absolutely true, as horrifying as what happened to her is, it doesn't.
genuinely could have been a lot worse.
And it sounds like what she's saying is that Twitchcon staff didn't do a ton to make sure
that she was okay afterward and that TwitchCon staff really neglected to take this kind of thing
seriously to the point where she says I'm never coming back to one of these things again,
which honestly I can't even blame her.
Yeah, I don't blame her either.
It sounds to me that women in this community have been warning about the way that this community
treats women contact raters for some time.
Here's how NBC put it.
To many fans online, her assault validated long-running fears about streamer safety at in-person events,
particularly scheduled meet and greets where fans know exactly where a particular creator will be ahead of time.
Some streamers online claim that they canceled their meet and greets or skipped this year's Twitchcon altogether
because of existing concerns about security, while others said that they plan to shun future Twitchcon events in solidarity with Amiru.
So I think that, one, it's the tale as old as time that we talk about on this show all the time of women saying,
hey, this thing is happening in the community.
It is potentially dangerous.
Somebody needs to do something.
It not being taken super seriously.
It being allowed to fester.
The women sort of being made to just deal with it on their own
and this kind of thing happening.
But I also do think if I'm just being real,
I think that Twitch probably is the kind of company
where they make their real money from their mega users,
people who probably are more likely to have a deep, unhealthy parisocial.
relationship with some of their favorite content creators, right? And so I have a feeling that Twitch
perhaps does not want to alienate those people because they are their cash cows. They're making
a ton of money from them. And so the company probably can't really alienate the people who
are making the company the most money. And that has just got to be more likely to be the kind of people
who have unhealthy relationships or parasycial relationships with streamers. And so that has to be
part of the problem here of like Twitch probably doesn't want to just ban all these people
because there's tons of money to be made from these people.
Certainly checks out with what we've seen just across tech companies in general.
And also, you know, the fact that Twitch is the platform on which this, all of this happens, right?
It's like it's a platform and it's also kind of an ecosystem where these creators make their living.
And fans and viewers, I think many, not all, but like many spend a lot of their time watching streamers on this platform.
And so it's both like sort of tempting to call it like a decentralized ecosystem where there are creators and viewers and money flowing back and forth, but also like very not decentralized.
And there's really like one, you know, Twitch like runs the whole thing.
and what a lot of power to have over a community like this.
More after a quick break.
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So OpenAI just released their web browser called Atlas.
And I've been reading into it.
I have not used it myself.
I'll get to why in a moment.
But I think folks should be a little bit wary of Atlas because Atlas sounds to me like a privacy nightmare, even in a landscape where a lot of browsers are bad on private.
According to a piece I read in the post called
ChatGPT just came out with its own web browser,
use it with caution.
The browser from OpenAI out surveils even Google Chrome,
and that is saying something.
It doesn't just log which websites you visit.
It also stores, quote, memories of what you look at
and what you do on those sites.
It can even grab control of your mouth and browse for you.
Yikes.
Atlas works to learn a ton about you.
If you grant permission during setup,
the browser builds a trove of memories about the sites that you visit and surfaces them when you need them.
So you could tell Atlas, for instance, open the Halloween decorations I was looking at last week in some tabs, and it could do it, creepy.
Atlas remembers not just website addresses, but, quote, facts and insights from the sites themselves based on summaries of the content OpenAI makes on its own servers.
So for instance, it might remember that you have a trip coming up and that you prefer Delta Airlines and use Google Calendar.
So these memories would shape your experience across the browser.
ChatGBTBT then tailors its responses to your Atlas memories in future chats.
And the browser's home screen offers personalized suggestions of things that you should do next,
such as find a vegetarian recipe.
So if you are cool with trading this amount of your privacy and data security for convenience,
maybe all of this doesn't sound so bad.
Maybe you're like, oh, it will be convenient for my browser to know that I only fly Delta
and service me Delta flights only, right?
I was just talking about digital nihilism.
Sure.
Let's go.
I mean, on the one hand, I hear it, right?
I hear that.
Yeah, it would be very convenient.
These things would be super convenient.
But at what cost, Bridget?
I mean, is it really that much more convenient?
Is it that hard to just go to Google flight and then pick out the Delta flights yourself?
Is it really that big of a convenient?
Oh, my God.
I already looked up these Halloween decorations last.
week. I'm supposed to do it again now? What are computers for? Like, even in these examples that
they're giving us, where clearly this is Open AI's rosy version of it where it's going to save you
so much time and effort. It doesn't really sound like it saves you that much time. I mean,
we're ultimately just talking about getting keys on a keyboard here and clicking a mouth.
Yeah. But anyway, so it would be convenient. So is that the whole thing, just like the convenience
of privacy? Yeah, just can end the segment right there. That's it. Nothing else to say. Oh, wait.
only it does not take much to imagine the kind of memories that you might not want your search engine remembering about you forever.
And I got to say, this level of surveillance and remembering is particularly fraught in our current social and political climate.
For instance, when Jeffrey Fowler from the Post asked OpenAI if governments would be able to ask OpenAI to hand over people's browsing data and memories,
or what happens if they're researching activities that are not legal in certain states,
such as abortion, OpenAI did not immediately reply to his question, which, yeah, for as convenient as it would be to not have to sort through all the non-Delta flights that are being serviced for me, this feels bad to me.
Yeah. You could also imagine a lot of things beyond abortion that you might not want the Trump administration knowing about you engaging in.
Certainly abortion is high of the list, but like who you voted for, what kind of questions you might have about the Trump administration.
Who knows what these creeps might want to know about us?
And I have seen very little evidence to make me believe that OpenAI or any other big tech company would not just happily hand it over.
So that's bad, but there is one good thing that has come from the,
and this is a review of Atlas from AI security pioneer Desezdi Susanna Cox.
Can I read this to you because it is phenomenal?
Yes, please.
Do you love how much memory Chrome uses, but wish it's bide out of you more?
And also, as a bonus, came with multiple security backdoors.
Well, great news.
OpenAI's new browser promises to deliver on all three.
It's called Atlas, and it finally answers the question,
Can a browser be even more insecure, privacy-violating, and bloated?
Yes, now it can.
We've all been there, reading the stupid Internet with our boring eye holes,
using our own brains, like a bunch of literal primates,
and thought there has to be a better way.
Well, now there is.
Wish your financial information was guarded with all the prompt injectable security of AI agents?
Guess what?
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and start to feel smarter slash more productive slash cooler slash more attractive slash wealthier right away.
Wow, thanks AI.
Wow, that was art.
That was really good.
So at least we got that review out of the whole thing.
It's probably worth it.
I don't know if you know this about me, but I really dig this report that comes out of UCLA Center for Scholars and Storytellers every year called Teens and Screens.
It's one of the dorkiest things about me that when this report comes out, I comb through it.
I just find it so interesting.
And basically, this report offers insights into the taste and preferences of young media consumers.
Oh, that's really interesting.
Why do you like this particular one so much, Bridget?
I just think that young media consumers, they can really tell us a lot about where we're headed.
And they're also a niche group that I think is very easy to not listen to.
And so they'll be telling us, hey, we want X, Y, Z.
And it's just very easy for people to be like, you don't want X, you want Y.
So something about this report, I just think it really tells us a lot about what young people are feeling and thinking about media,
as opposed to listening to people talk over them about what they want from media.
This year's report is titled Get Real, Relatability on Demand,
because the findings show that teens and youth are really craving things like
relatability and authentic representations across metrics as it pertains to media right now.
So the study surveyed 1,500 Americans between the ages of 10 and 24
about their media consumption habits and preferences.
According to variety, the sample was proportionally refined,
of the United States Gen Z population in terms of racial, ethnic, gender, sexuality, ability,
economic, and geographic diversity.
That is pretty cool.
So how are young Americans consuming media?
Well, I would say this was probably the most surprising bit from the study, which is that,
surprisingly, young people are not completely done with traditional media.
I would have thought that young people are only getting their media from social media,
not the case.
According to this study, 53% of young Americans discuss movies and television shows with friends
more than they discuss content that they watch on social media,
which really surprised me because I would be thinking,
oh, what young people are consuming television and movies?
They're all just watching the TikToks, right?
No, not so.
They also really like animation, which I, of course, love because I love animation.
Gen Z shows a distinct preference for animation,
the percentage of adolescents who prefer animated content over live action,
from 42% last year to 48.5% this year.
And that is not just for younger teens.
Nearly 48% of respondents age 19 to 24 also preferred animation.
I'm so curious what that is about.
I would say I also have a slight preference toward animated content.
I wish I could say what that was about.
I don't really know what it's about with me.
And I'm so curious what this is about for the younger folks surveyed.
Yeah, it's a good question.
I also have always really liked animation,
and it's tempting to think that maybe the young people
are just like coming around to finally see things the way that I do,
but I suspect that's probably not what's actually happening here.
You want to know something else young people are into,
according to this study?
What else are they into?
It's so wholesome.
Just going to see movies with their friends.
Going to see a new movie in theaters would be the top-ranked weekend activity
for a second year in a row, if cost were not a factor.
And teens are saying they would rather go see a new movie in the theater with their friends over playing video games with friends or going to concerts with friends.
Oh, they want to go see a movie. I get it. Going to see a movie, remember just a couple years ago? People were like, no one's ever going to go to the movies again. The theaters are dying.
Seems like that's not really happening.
In our episode with Stacey Spike, the founder of Movie Pass, he dropped a surprising stat on me that going to see movies in theater.
is still the number one leisure activity of Americans, which, again, I also hear things like,
oh, singing is going to kill movie theaters, nobody's going to go to the movies anymore.
I just went to see a theatrical release of that new Paul Thomas Anderson movie, one battle after
another.
I went on an off time, I went during, I went weekday, matinee, completely packed house full theater.
So from my internal experiences, people are still going to the movies, and the teens agree with me.
Oh, you saw what a battle after another?
I've seen so many people talking about it.
talking about that. What did you think?
Hey, this is Future Bridget.
So just real quick, Mike and I have a very quick, spoiler-free discussion of the movie,
one battle after another here.
We share a few basic overarching comments about the movie, but no real spoilers,
but just an FYI after trying to go in 100% fresh before seeing the movie.
Okay, here we go.
So, I love Paul Thomas Anderson.
Boogie Knights is my favorite movie of all time.
If anybody asked me what my favorite movie is, I will probably say Boogie Night.
It's a masterpiece.
So Paul Thomas Anderson is my guy.
I love him.
I really liked one battle after another.
I thought it was a perfectly enjoyable movie.
I thought it was a good time.
It was a long movie, but it was one of those movies where you're never looking at your watch thinking how long have I been in the theater.
I don't know if I would say how I felt about the movie matches the hype.
that I feel like it got, and I don't want to give anything away for folks who haven't seen it.
I have big, let's just say I have big questions about some of the way that the movie deals with race, particularly black women.
I think, I don't, if folks haven't seen it, if you've seen it, I want to talk about it with you,
because a lot of my friends have not seen it.
There's one, and I don't want to give anything away, so I'm speaking very cryptically.
And people who haven't seen it are like, this is boring as hell.
But there's one particular character, and if you've seen the movie, you know exactly who I'm talking about, that I feel like we are not really let in to what the fuck is going on with her and why.
And I feel like I have a lot of questions.
And I don't think it was the most loving depiction of black women I've ever seen on screen.
I'll put it that way.
What did you think about it?
Well, yeah, I also don't want to surprise spoil people who haven't seen it yet.
I agree it was a fun movie.
It was funny.
It was well-paced.
It was like really well-acted.
Just a bunch of like great actors doing a phenomenal job with it.
If I were to criticize it, I would say that like it deals with some themes that feel like very relevant right now.
And I think that's part of what's contributing to the hype.
But I feel like it deals with them kind of superficially.
and, you know, I,
after I left the theater,
I was like, that was fun,
but then thinking back on it,
I was like, well, why did that character do that?
Like, what was that character's motivation?
Why did, uh,
and why is it important?
Why do I, as a viewer, like, care about them?
I, I, yeah, that was kind of my impression.
It was a fun, good action movie,
a lot to like about it.
but not like,
it wasn't a deep thinker.
Maybe because you can sneak in a recap episode
and we'll make it fit the tech theme
or fuck it, maybe we'll just have a one-off.
Like, I want to talk about this movie episode.
And I'm owed that.
I've been doing this show for five years.
I can, I'm owed that.
All right.
Well, don't turn against the little structure
that we have here.
Oh, you know that if you let me,
it'll just be like a straight, you know.
We re-watched Mrs. Deltfire
the other day. I was like, this might make a good recap. And you were like, what about this?
It's technology. It's like nothing. It's just an interesting movie. Yeah, we have to draw the
line somewhere. Okay, so back to the teens. Teens are really craving relatable media and
relatable stories right now. 32% that they want to see relatable stories on screen, more so than
fantasy or aspirational stories. They want to see stories with, quote, people with lives like mine.
I have to imagine that's why super wealthy out-of-touch celebrities is just not clicking with people anymore, particularly use.
People like Kim Kardashian, I think that like in this day and age, nobody really wants to see that.
Even if you, at one point, you could connect with that aspirationally.
Young people are really not trying to see people living these aspirational out-of-touch stories.
What they want is people who have relatable lives and relatable stories and lives like theirs.
The 14 to 24 demographic, they show significant preferences for stories about,
friendship. Specifically, almost 60% say that they want to see more content where the central
relationship are friendship. And they are a little less interested in romantic relationships on
screen. Fifty four point nine percent want to see more different gender friendships on screen,
while 49 percent want to see same gender friendships. And specifically, they want to see
friendships where they have healthy conflicts resolution. I really do feel like young people are
telling us something about their lives and what they want to.
their lives and relationships to be like. They want, they want friendship and healthy friendships
at the core of their lives and they want to see friends have conflict, but where that conflict
that, when it does come up, it's resolved in a healthy manner. And part of me wonders if that's a
reaction to our current online ecosystem where it seems like nothing can ever be, no conflict
can ever be managed at a healthy way. Yeah, I'm sure there's a lot of very interesting stuff
to dig into there about like, you know,
one of the functions that entertainment has served for years and years
is to show people something aspirational, right?
Like, it's the stuff that people want to see in entertainment
is something that they aspire to.
And it sounds like for many of the young people in this survey,
for the traditional ideas of aspirational lifestyles of celebrities
and wealthy people are not resonating.
And what they do aspire to is like healthy friendships and healthy conflict resolution.
Maybe because it's like kind of scarce these days or at least seems pretty scarce.
I think that's got to be part of it.
And they're really not interested in things like sex or romantic relationships being depicted on screen.
Romance actually ranked third to last on the list of topics that youth want to see explored on screens.
And 60.9% said that they want to see romantic relationship depicted.
as quote, more about the friendship between the couple than sex.
48.4% said that there is too much sex and sexual content in TV and movies,
toxic relationships, and love triangles also ranked among the most tiresome or uninteresting
tropes for young viewers.
I know that there has been a ton of talk about Gen Z being prudes or prudish or having an
issue with sex, and I'm sure some of that is true and I want to dig into that.
But it does seem like what they're telling us is that they want friendships,
healthy friendships with healthy conflict resolution at the heart,
and they want genuine real connection.
And I don't know, maybe it's not that Gen Z is prudish.
Maybe they're just tired of seeing intimacy without intimacy, right?
Like what they're asking for is not less love,
but maybe like a different kind of love that feels grounded in connection and friendship and care,
not just chemistry.
And I say this as someone who is full.
like a horny person who was only really interested in horny content.
But the results of this survey when it comes to wanting to see sex on screen
could not have been more different than I felt when I was young.
All I wanted to do was like watch horny people on screen when I was a young person
and that is not changed.
So I have to say that.
But I also get where they're coming from of saying,
hey, I can get sexy content anywhere.
I want to see real healthy, meaty relationships and friendships
on screen, not just horny content.
It makes sense.
I mean, sex is ubiquitous on the internet, right?
You're always like two clicks away, maybe three.
It's true.
And again, when I was in high school, my favorite film was the talented Mr. Ripley,
which is a film about horny hot people having horny hot antics.
But I can absolutely understand where these young people are coming from.
Who would you say is the best friend in talented Mr. Ripley?
Oh, that's easy. Freddie, played by the late Philip Seymour Hoffman, may he rest in peace. Also, he's a real show stealer in that movie. Every scene that he's in, that he's in, he's in, like, popping off the screen. He's one of my favorite actors. Also Fantastic in Billy Nights, by the way, a little callback. But yeah, if there was, if there was a best friend in that movie, I think it would have to go to Freddie. But even Freddie is a hornball. The first time that you see Freddie, the first, he's, it's one of my favorite character being introduced in a movie ever.
he's driving his tiny sports car
through a plaza in Italy
parks someplace he's not supposed to park
and then gets out and then leers out a woman walking by
and says, don't you want to fuck every woman
you see just one?
Bravo! May he rest in peace?
Yeah, interesting choice for best friend
because he's pretty like self-motivated.
I don't think that he is motivated
by any particular love of Dickie.
He just hates Tom.
Yes, he just hates Tom.
I think that when I was growing up, there was an intersection of being a theater kid, a computer kid, and horny.
Because when I was growing up, there was another movie that came out when I was just leaving high school called Closer.
Another Jude Law movie now that I'm thinking about it.
And it was all about these grown up, sexy adults in London having horny, sexy misunderstandings.
All of these movies when I was watching when I was young, Closer I'm not even sure was a good movie.
I think I was just horny.
It also had a kick-ass soundtrack.
It did.
It did.
I had it on CD, man.
If you were a nerdy person who was falling in the, falling deep into the world of like fantasy through film, what were the movies that you were obsessed with when you were coming up?
I need to know this.
I'm sure we have some overlap.
Did you have any?
Did you ever see the movie Tank Girl?
Oh my God.
Who do you think you're talking to?
Man, I remember.
Like me and a couple of my friends, we were having a sleepover at my friend's house.
Like that's how old we were.
We were not driving.
Like our moms had dropped us off.
And we went to the video store.
We rented Tank Girl.
And we watched it like three times in a row.
The old heads know was all about Jet Girl actually.
Oh, yes.
Remember a Tank Girl's friend?
Mm-hmm.
I sure do.
Friend, in quote.
She was a good friend.
So yeah, Gen Z would love that movie.
It is an exploration of complex friendship on screen.
We need more of that.
Yeah, they probably would like that a lot better than Taylor Mr. Ripley.
They'd probably make them uncomfortable.
Or, I mean, even when I was reading this survey, I was like, okay, well, youth don't like, you know, love triangles and toxic love and sex on screen.
but the terrible sort of reimagining of talented Mr. Ripley, Saltburn, which I actually do kind of love.
And there were movies that were super horny that I think were popular with youth. Challengers is another one.
So I don't know. I would be curious to put that in conversation with the survey of what are the youth want?
What are they into?
Yeah. And, you know, as a social scientist, I like hate to burst the bubble and rain on the parade.
but like sometimes
sometimes kids lie on surveys.
Oh, so kids are like,
I would never want to see sex on screen.
Are you crazy?
Yeah.
Who would want such a thing?
And maybe it's not lying, you know,
but it's like,
everybody has trouble with surveys,
especially things about like preferences.
Like, even adults, we don't know what we want.
We struggle to articulate what we want,
even if we know what it is.
And half the time we don't even
know what we want. And so asking like a 14 year old to report what kind of entertainment
it's super valuable to do. And I in no way mean to diminish the survey. It's like so wonderful
to like actually have data on what they say. But like we do need to interpret it with like a little
bit of a grain of salt that like perhaps it is not a clear window into the mind of the youth.
And in fact, there probably is a little bit of like aspirational filtering in the way that they respond on a survey like this.
There's a podcast that I love called a yeah dude where they read surveys and they're always so funny.
And the surveys, I always find this fascinating because it'll be the most basic question.
Question on a survey.
Do you own a toaster oven?
70% no.
20% yes.
10%? I'm not sure. I can't answer. I don't know. Like, who are these people who are like, you know, they'll ask the most basic questions about their life. Did you go out of the country this year? Yes, no. I couldn't say for sure. I don't know. Like, what do you mean?
What, as, as somebody who designed surveys, what accounts for that? It could be any number of things. Like, maybe they genuinely don't know. Maybe there's some.
Whoa. They genuinely don't know.
What are you talking about?
All kinds of crazy shit happens in people's lives, right?
Like, you couldn't, especially when you're talking about population surveys where they sample like 1,500 people.
All kinds of crazy shit is happening in that sample of people's lives.
And so, like, some people probably got some weird stuff going on that, you know, maybe they inherited a storage locker, which may or may not contain a toaster oven.
And so they don't know whether what is in there.
Maybe they just don't feel like answering the question,
but it is important to include that when you're designing the survey as the researcher,
it's important to include that kind of option because otherwise,
if you force those people to respond one of the other ways,
you're just kind of like gunking it up if they truly don't know
or like can't give a straight answer for whatever reason.
Well, don't gunk up your surveys, people.
Words to live by.
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