There Are No Girls on the Internet - Happy Spotify Wrapped season!

Episode Date: December 14, 2021

Tis the season! To post your Spotify Wrapped on social media, that is. In this special holiday episode, Bridget digs into the history and legacy of Spotify Wrapped, and sits down with her producer Mike for her first peek at her own Spotify Wrapped (no judgment, please!) What was on your own Spotify Wrapped ? Leave us a voicemail at 571- 310-1859 and let us know!  Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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That's right. Happy Spotify rap season to all who celebrate. For users of the music streaming platform Spotify, this is the time of year when we get our rap, a visual breakdown of how much and what kinds of music we spent the year listening to. Spotify first debuted its year in music in 2015. But two years later, they added statistics about which artists and how much time Spotify users spent listening.

In 2019, artist Jule Hamm, who was then an intern at Spotify, designed the pleasing social media-friendly layout to communicate this data visually, which leads us to the Spotify Rapp that takes over our social media feeds this time of year. And it really takes over. According to CNN, in the first hour of Spotify Rapp's 2021 release, the Twitter search showed the hashtag Spotify Rapt had been used over 14,000 times. So why do we love Spotify wrapped so much? And what does it tell us about our online selves? Now, we know that Spotify relies on algorithms and artificial intelligence to surface music that we might like. It's actually one of the main draws of Spotify over other music streaming platforms. Who doesn't like the idea of a robot curating personalized playlists for us while we sleep? But if we're consuming music because Spotify's algorithm has picked it for us based on our habits

and what that algorithm has been able to glean about our habits and identity, that means our Spotify wrapped isn't so much a reflection of who we truly are in our heart of hearts as it is a reflection of who we are as defined by Spotify's AI. They don't just show me my own tastes preferences and identity. They also shape them. So when Spotify gives me my rap for the year, they're not just showing me that these are the preferences of a 30-something black, queer, arty woman. It's also kind of creating what that identity means.

When we post our Spotify wrapped on social media, we're trying to tell the world something about who we are. and we're looking to see if our tastes are more impressive, more cringy, more hip, or more refined than our friends. And in this way, Spotify is done a great job of turning surveillance, the kind of thing that many of us would be uncomfortable with in any other context, into a fun digital personal branding opportunity. To be clear, I am very much not above this. And in this special holiday episode of There Are No Girls on the Internet,

I'm sitting down with my producer, Mike, to take my very first look at my own Spotify wrapped for the year. and dig into what it says about my identity in this very weird digital age we all find ourselves in. I just hope it's not too embarrassing to do in this podcast. So I really got to start this conversation by lifting up Jewel Ham, the multimedia visual artist who created what we know as Spotify Rapp today. Spotify Rapp did exist before Jule, but the kind of Spotify Rapp that we see taking over her social media feeds, if your feed is anything like mine, Jewel really did. champion when she was an intern at Spotify in 2019. And I feel like she really didn't get her due. That is tail as oldest time when it comes to technology,

whenever there is something cool or interesting or unique or creative, especially if it's not a hard tech thing. Nine times out of 10, there is a woman and a black woman behind it. So shout out to Joel, also Howard University grad. So we wouldn't even be having this conversation, if not for her. It is interesting how the rapt is such a very important. visual thing when we think about it because it's it's audio right

we're listening to and it's a list of the top songs or tracks that we've listened to but when I think about rap I think about a list that looks aesthetically good is a tailor made for social media that I think that's really what made it a thing

that people talk about. Oh absolutely and I think like that's something that's so funny about Spotify wrapped I even feel a little bit weird making this episode because I feel like Spotify wrapped, posting it on social media is a little bit like that old George Carlin bit where my stuff is stuff and everybody else's stuff is shit. Like everybody thinks their Spotify raps has something interesting or unique about them personally.

And then nobody actually wants to look at anybody else's Spotify wrapped. You're just like, oh, good for you. You listen to Tame and Paula. Well done. But when you post your own, you feel like you're really saying something about who you are as a person. And kudos to Spotify because that is some really good market. that they have been able to make it so that people feel so, like it really says something about who they are when they post this on their social media feed. It's true.

And as like a data person, I really was thinking about what it said about me. Like my rap is crazy this year. I was so surprised at what was there. But I think it was like a, it's not like it's a representative. sample of what I've been listening to during the year. It's a sample of what I've been listening to on Spotify. So it's like, what do I use Spotify for? I used it to play albums and I use it to create stations. I used to hate the idea of just trusting an algorithm to choose media for me to listen to, but I guess at some point during the pandemic, I just completely said fuck it and went with it.

And it's actually great. They do an amazing job of just creating a playlist of songs that I want to here based on something that I put up there. Okay, so I have so much to say about this. First of all, it is so funny. So as we know, Spotify is definitely algorithmically driven. And so it's like, oh, looks like you've spent a lot of time listening to sad ass Bo Burnham songs this year. And it's like, that's what you fucking service me, algorithm.

You know, you know if that's what I listen to because you've been servicing it to me this whole year. So absolutely true. It is the, it's like the kind of cheeky little like, oh, look. looks like you spent a lot of time listening to blah. It's like they know because their algorithm surfaces it to you. So absolutely true. And I do think this year, you know, I'm going to dig into my own Spotify raft in a minute, which I hope is not embarrassing. But I do think in pre-pandemic, I would definitely be excited to show my Spotify raft on social media, even though

I just said, like, people post their Spotify rap on social media. And does anybody really care. I definitely was not above that and definitely did it and like we'll do it this year as well. But I, pre-pandemic, I was much prouder of the music because I feel like it said something different about me. I feel like 2020 and especially 2021, weird years, I don't know what they say about me. I feel like it's like, wow, what a weird year I've had. I can't even tell you if I listen to a lot of music. Some of the stats on my Spotify rap, I'm like, did I really listen to that song? much. Like, that seems weird. I just think it's a weird year. And as we experience things in our real life, like the pandemic and the insurrection and like other real life crises, it is so

interesting to see how that is reflected through data points that we consumed on a digital interface. It's very interesting. And I feel like, yeah, pre-pandemic I would have said my Spotify rep says something about me. I don't know what it is, but something. this year especially, I'm like, I don't even know if I can, if I trust this because it seems so out of whack with how I feel and who I am. It's been a weird year. Yeah, it's been a weird year. So should I get into my Spotify wrapped? Yeah, I think you should.

I think, you know, it's at the end of the year, it's December. It's nice to take a break from a lot of the negative stuff we often talk about. And let's just talk about some music. Let's talk about some music. So this is, I'm going to dig into this. I guess we should get into it. Yeah. If you recognize that, that it's actually my first number one.

Okay, I thought it was clever. It was all right. So I'm going to give y'all my top three. My number one played song of 2021 is Doja Cats, get into it. And honestly, I'm not mad at it. I love Doja Cat. She could be a little problematic. but you know, she's my, she, I like her.

Get into it is definitely a song that I listen to pretty frequently, and it's not surprising to me that it's, I'm a little surprised as my number one, but I'm not mad at it. I'll take it. I feel like Doja Cat has songs that just get in your head. Yes. That is absolutely true. I spent probably a year talking about how I wasn't a, how I wasn't a cat,

how I wasn't a cat. I was a cow moo, if you know that Doja Cat song. So definitely Doja Cat, earworms. Does she have a lot going on on TikTok? Oh, her being my number one, it's definitely the TikTok influence on my listening habits. A couple of other songs that are big on my Spotify wrapped. Pink Pantheras, another musician who was huge on TikTok, who was in my Spotify wrapped. But the anxiety and Willow Smith, that song, Meet Me at Our Spot.

huge on TikTok. I'm sorry for just singing. I know that probably sounded bad. But yeah, I definitely see the TikTok influence on my Spotify rap. Definitely a lot of songs I didn't know before. I heard on TikTok and then found on Spotify and saved and listened to over and over and over again in 2021 apparently. So now we've got the TikTok algorithm driving what you see, which then drives what you listen to on Spotify. Well, yeah, I often feel like the algorithms are working in tandem.

It's like the TikTok algorithms, algorithms got me. The Spotify algorithms got me. It's like an intersecting algorithm. I'm just a slave to whatever they surfaced me. And I'm just like, yes, give me more. Yes. That'll be a new area of intersectionality of how the algorithms intersect. Yes.

Honestly, speaking of Boberdom, he's got this line in inside where he's like, Daddy made some content just for you. so open wide. That's kind of how I feel just like, yes, give it to me. Give it to me. All right. So let's get into my number two on my Spotify wrapped, which is a little bit of an outlier. It is the song Jet by Wings. If you are a listener who is in your 20s or early 30s, you're probably like, I don't know what this is. I think people know wings. I don't think people know wings. So for people who don't know wings, Wings is a, was an offshoot band of the Beatles, started by Paul McCartney. Sir Paul McCartney. Sir Paul McCartney in the 80s. This song came out in like

1987, so definitely not a current hit. I have a soft spot for it. I feel like people get down on wings. I really have a soft spot for Wings. And fun fact, this was not the only Wings song to make an appearance on my Spotify Raps, which I don't even really know what to make of. I think you really like wings. I guess so. And also, when I as a kid, my dad would sing this song to me because he said that Jet was a nickname for Bridget. It is not. That song is not about a girl named Bridget, but I believed that when I was young. I could see it would be appealing to think that it was, that Paul was just singing to a girl named Bridget. Yeah, it really was. And so it's a, it's

It's a song that has a, it's, it's, I'm almost embarrassed that it's as high as it is, but, you know, what can I say? I like wings. I like wings. You know what? And I got two wing songs on the Spotify wrapped and I'm not ashamed. Yeah, nothing to be ashamed. It's a shame. It's, it's a pandemic. It's a pandemic. Listen to as much wings as you need to get you through to get you through. Listen to whatever you want. Like, don't be ashamed of your Spotify rap. Listen to whatever you want in this pandemic. Whatever you need to get you through. My number three song on Spotify rap is, again, is another 10. TikTok classic. Nobody by Mitsmitsky. That was like a little bit of a TikTok meme. And again, I'm kind of grateful for TikTok as I've gotten into it as a platform. Like I feel like I hear new music all the time that I wouldn't have heard. You know, being someone who is, we'll say a bit older than the typical TikTok demographic, getting inside into different kinds of music has been really interesting. So yeah, of my top three, two of them are definitely TikTok, TikTok algorithm chosen for me. You have to give me some tips on how to use TikTok because mine is entirely animals, which

like I like animals. I like funny animal content, but I'd like something else in there, but it doesn't serve me any music. How do you get it to serve you music? I don't know. I guess the algorithm gods have chosen me to get Doja Cat all the time on TikTok. So a couple of other things to note from my Spotify Ravd. One is that I was definitely on my Black girl feeling myself shit.

A very overrepresented person on my Spotify rap was Megan the Stallion. Specifically, Megan the Stallion's thought shit. And I remember, I don't know if this is weird to say, when there are no girls on the internet won the Shorty Award for our mini series on Disinformation. That was really when Megan the Stallion's thought shit creeped into my. Spotify plays more. She has this line where she says, bitch on the shit per the recording academy. And when we won the Shorty Award, that really was like a line that I identified with as like, oh, we also are the shit per a recording academy.

Or a award. A Shorty Academy. A Shorty Academy. Yeah, I'll take it. Yeah. Still an Academy. And it really makes sense because my, according to Spotify, wrapped the mood for my music that I listened to in 2021 was confident and bold. And so I think I got a mega nostalgia to thank for them. Let's take a quick break. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends.

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And we're back. Another artist that I was not surprised to see, but makes a lot of sense, was DMX. I was a huge DMX fan when I was a kid, loved DMX. And DMX died in 2021. it. I will never forget it. It was a day where I had back to back to back to back meetings and calls and Zoom's like professional meetings. And I got the push notification on my phone that DMX had passed away. And all through these meetings where I had to have my like fake Zoom voice on, you know, that fake enthusiastic voice that you do when you're on Zooms and you kind of want to die, but you've got

three more. I had to keep that voice on wanting so badly to do nothing but blast DMX. And I remember when the final call happened at like 6.30. I was like, okay, thanks guys. And then I turned off my computer and I blasted X, Go and Give It to You, which is my favorite DMX song. And so it's not surprising to me that DMX is so heavily in my Spotify rap because I remember when he died and it really hit me hard and I, I listened to a lot of DMX, I guess. Yeah, I feel like everybody in America was listening to DMX after that. Was X going to give it to you in a movie? I feel like, I know exactly what you're thinking of. It's in an episode of Rick and Morty.

That's why you're thinking of it. Wasn't it a movie? It was definitely, it probably was, but I know what you're remembering it from. Okay, you're right. It was Rick and Morty. Another song on my Spotify wrapped list that I was not surprised to see it all is Daft Punk's Giorgio. That is a song that I deeply, deeply, deeply fuck with.

Whenever I have a podcast interview where I want to edit it to bring a certain kind of tenderness or a certain kind of beauty or a certain kind of meaning. I listened to that song because it's a song of a really famous producer basically telling his life story of how he got into music, how he got into producing. And it's so lovingly edited that it's such a good reminder of the power of listening to someone tell their own story in their own words. my whole life I've always had a thing for listening to someone tell their own story and their own words. And I feel like that was a much of a, in terms of music, that was a much bigger thing, kind of back in the day in the 90s, you know, spoken word.

I've always had a soft, if it's someone giving a speech or explaining something with a little bit of like sound design around it, love it. A couple of other examples of that would be Mutual Slump by DJ Shadow where it's DJ Shadow's then girlfriend just talking about how much she loved. Remember Zanadu, the roller skating? How much she loved Zanadu. Love it. Everybody's free to wear sunscreen, the Bob Lerman thing, where he's like, no matter, okay, graduates, no matter what you do, wear sunscreen. Little fluffy clouds by the orb where it's just a beautiful,

a beautiful voiceover of a woman describing what the clouds and the skies were like when she was young. You know, when people make podcasts, if you're doing an interview in the field, you often have to get levels. And so you might ask the subject a question, you know, what did you have for breakfast so that you can check the levels. And I always, from that song, I always asked, what were, because of that song, I always asked, what were the skies like when you were young?

And the kind of answers that you get when you asked somebody, what were the skies like when you were young is really interesting. I was once interviewing a French migrant and he said, I never saw the skies. I don't know. And I remember thinking that was such a powerful answer. More after a quick break. Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy, not quite.

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Yeah, those songs were all like podcasts. I feel like spoken word tracks of the 90s were the first podcast. No, like, like, write in, let me know what you think. This is my big theory. Spoken word tracks of the 90s were the first podcast. Somebody proved me wrong. Can you give us a little taste of year, Spotify wrapped? Mine?

Oh, no. Just no. Immediately no. No, it's, what was on there? I feel like the early 2000s are going to call me and want their music back. So let's just skip it. So for better or for worse, that is what my Spotify says I spent my year consuming.

And to me, it kind of shows that I was bouncing back and forth between the new, you know, the TikTok-filled songs taking over my earbuds and the old, the reliable songs I grew up with that have stuck with me. I think it's a fair reflection of the year I've had, a little all over the place to be sure, and perpetually caught between looking to the familiar to find comfort, while also trying to look toward the future, whatever that holds. So this is where you come in.

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