There Are No Girls on the Internet - Jeffrey Epstein's Creepy Emails with Harvard and OpenAI’s Larry Summers

Episode Date: December 2, 2025

The newly released Epstein emails offer a troubling look at the people who stayed in his orbit and the ways they interacted with him — including former Harvard president and influential public figure Larry Summers. You may not recognize his name immediately, but Summers has played a major role in shaping tech, academia, and government. We break down what the emails show, why they matter, and what they reveal about power networks at the highest levels. Bridget tells Samantha and Anney why Larry Summers and his Epstein connection should concern us all. If you’re listening on Spotify, you can leave a comment there or email us at [e-mail]! Follow Bridget and TANGOTI on social media! Many vids each week. instagram.com/bridgetmarieindc/  tiktok.com/@bridgetmarieindc  youtube.com/@ThereAreNoGirlsOnTheInternetSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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administration to release the Epstein files, I can't stop thinking about all the wealthy and powerful people who were entangled with Epstein. Men like Larry Summers, former president of Harvard and a current tenured professor there. Now if you're thinking, wait, who exactly is Larry Summers? Don't worry. I've got you. Over on the podcast Stuff Mom ever told you, I break down who Larry Summers is, his outsized influence on tech and academia. Why his connections to Epstein are so dang troubling and what it reveals about the men currently shaping our collective future. Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. And welcome to Stuff I Never Told You, production by Heart Radio. And we are once again so happy to be joined by the marvelous, the magnificent Bridget Todd.

Welcome, Bridget. Thanks for having me back. Always such a pleasure. It is. It really is. I look forward to talking to you every time. Even though the topics we tackle famously not so easy. I always say this. I swear I'm a happy person who is drawn to happy things. Something about, let's just be real. There's a lot of misery out there. And sometimes I end up covering it on podcasts.

But I am a happy person who is drawn to happy things. Don't get interested. Exactly. The reality is as much as like we would love to be happy, go looking. all of the things that are happening, we can't ignore. And it just happens that these things are really gross and sad. And, you know, if I have to be given sad news or really gross information, having someone as upbeat as you bringing it to me, Bridget,

is kind of nice because I am a sad person. I am. Drawn to the darkness. I am a bit gloomy. So having your perspective, which puts it in such a very factual, but also, like, realistic, but like, here of what could be solutions, here could be like the good possibilities, and here are the realities. It's nice to be given those, that kind of news from someone like you. So I appreciate that you bring this to us.

That makes me so happy to hear. I mean, that really is what I try to do. There, like, there's no need for panic, even though things are tough and scary, but you still need to know what's going on. And also, I think sometimes the conversations that are happening these days are so grim that it's tempting to just sort of change. check out from them. But we really do need to understand how these things impact things like gender and things like identity and who gets to show up as themselves and who doesn't. You know, I think it's important. So thank you. Yes. Well, thank you. You know, here's the million dollar question. How have you been, Bridget? Oh, God. This is like that broad city. How am I? No, things are good. I actually just came back from a trip to Spain. I was there doing a live show for this other podcast that I work on called IRL with Mozilla Foundation,

which was awesome. It was my first time in Spain. I went to Barcelona, which was lovely and wonderful. I didn't want to come back. It was the first time it's ever happened to me. We were supposed to land in Barcelona. We tried to land in Barcelona through very atypical lightning. storms and it was one of those situations where, you know, we, everybody on the plane looked

out the window and just saw these big bolts of lightning and we all just sort of made a quiet peace with our gods. Then the plane went back up in the air and the pilot was like, yeah, we can't land in Barcelona so we're landing in Madrid. So I got to go to a bonus, a bonus trip to Madrid. First time I've ever experienced that, a plane landing in a different place and where you thought it was going to land. Okay, I think this is the only time that would be warranted for y'all that

clap at the end of a flat. We clap. Somebody sitting next to me burst into tears. It really was a moment of like, are we going to make it? Everybody's quiet and eerieness because they're like, oh, God, what do we do now? That was the creepy part is that people were like gasping and a few people like shrieked or screamed. But at a certain point, everybody just got very quiet. And that's when you know, you're like, oh, we are in a situation.

God, real. But it ended up being fine. And I got to see Madrid for the first time. So, all good. Nice. We love a good twist and happy ending. Yeah, how have you two then? Well, Samantha's, apparently.

You know, my answer was not pretty. And for the listeners who have listened consistently and have just recently heard my happy hour, which was 30 minutes long of me bitching and whining about adulthood, I think they know. But you know what? We are together. so I am doing much better right now than I was 20 minutes ago. I will say that. More like an unhappy hour.

Am I right? It really was. We named that specific session, b***ing and wine. We have some wine and then I say things. Well, there's a power in unloading yourself like that. I'm okay. Yeah, I'm good.

I've had a lot of good times with friends lately, and I appreciate that. That's a nice, I've gotten to see some people I haven't seen in a while. And it's been nice. I'm pretty tired, but it's been good. Yeah, especially as we go into the dark months. I mean, we still have the holidays. I feel like after the holidays, it's when the real slug begins.

But holding on to those small comforts, like getting to see friends, you know, I think that really is very important. Yeah. And especially given some of the news right now and some of the dark times and dark things we're going to talk about in this episode. That is right. Just a content warning up top because we are talking about convicted sex criminal Jeffrey Epstein, which I feel like it's everywhere in the news. You really kind of can't avoid the conversation around him.

Today is November 20th. So by the time you hear this, there is some chance that things might have changed. But here is the latest as of today. So yesterday, the Senate almost unanimously voted to release. the Epstein files with only one dissenting vote, Republican representative Clay Higgins of Louisiana. So curious what's going on with him. I was like, oh, you're just a major Trumper. Even for Republicans, he seems like a quite extreme fellow.

So I guess I shouldn't be surprised. But it is well to be like, oh, even among Republicans, just one dissenting vote. So that bill then went to Trump's desk. There were some back and forth of whether Trump was going to sign it, but he did. So what happens now is the Department of Justice has 30 days to release these files. I'm trying not to be a conspiracist, but I swear the more I read, especially in this specific topic, the 30 days seems too long. I know there has to be some jurisdiction and all of that, but it feels like there's too much happening. and 30 days is giving them too much time, including the fact, are they actually going to release it?

That's my question. Yeah, that seems to be the big question. I should say I am no attorney, so this is somewhat above my pay grade. But here's a little bit from CNN. Despite Trump signing the bill, uncertainty remains. Attorney General Pam Bondi said yesterday that the Department of Justice will, quote, follow the law. But some lawmakers and analysts are worried that the Trump administration may try to hinder the process by slowing the release. or redacting information.

So I don't know above my pay grade, but your worries are grounded. You're not the only person with that question. That seems to be the question on everybody's mind. And in any event, this is still all like a very big reversal of the time very recently when Trump was calling this entire thing a Democrat hoax, when Pam Bondi was like, oh, there's not going to be any additional information released.

We looked into it. We don't need to release any more information. But then Trump was also, recently vowing to investigate any Democrats accused of breaking the law in the Epstein files, which like if the entire thing was just a big Democratic hoax, why would there be Democrats in the files? I'm not fully sure that he thought this one through, but there you have it. And I do think it's this weird thing where people in an attempt to downplay this entire thing are saying, well, what if this takes down a prominent Democrat like Bill Clinton, to which I say,

great, like get him out of here. If Bill Clinton committed a crime and that has revealed in the Epstein files, take them to prison, right? Like, I don't think anybody is saying, no, we need to protect prominent Democrats like Bill Clinton from accountability if they are named as having committed sex crimes in the Epstein files. And also, do people really think that most leftists are like clinging to the legacy of Bill Clinton? I saw this great post that was like, oh no, then I would have to take down my Bill Clinton yard sign, burn my Bill Clinton hat and t-shirt, take off my Bill Clinton car wrap. Like, what are these people talking about? This is completely like a fiction.

It really does baffle me, I guess, in the sense of like the people thinking everyone, just because they have idolized a politician into a way of being like, this is God's son, literally putting pictures of like, he's the new Jesus, that we all think of that way for anyone that we voted for. Instead of understanding a lot of the choices that we make is the lesser evil in hoping that we can negotiate and hold our people accountable to follow through with the promises they made. Like it's not like this level of like, these are people who work for us. These are people who we are supposed to be able to like count on to protect our rights. Not people I pray to because I think you're going to do something to other people that I don't like or I don't agree with. That's the other part to that is like their worship for him is not because. they think he's going to do something great for them, is that he's going to be mean to other people

for them. Exactly. Oh, this is a bit of a non-sequitur, but over the summer, I was at Ocean City, Maryland, which is just like a kind of a trashy beach town, but I fully love and I go there every summer. And they have all these boardwalk t-shirt shops, and every one of them has such prominent Trump memorabilia, Trump hats, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump. And I remember thinking, I want to go into one of these stores and be like, excuse me, where's your Hakeem Jeffrey's section? Like there's not, you're, you're so right that there's not an analogous thing on the

left where people are buying like, you know, Hakeem Jeffrey's car wraps and stuff. Like Ocean City boardwalks are not cluttered with memorabilia about AOC. It's just an interesting level. Also, the,

again, with your non-sequitur, I love that everyone. And I mean, everyone takes advantage of that. level of consumerism, be like, yeah, we'll buy those key products and sell it to everybody, because they all buy it. I'm going to make money. You're going to be that ridiculous? I'm going to sell it to you. Get your money. I'm not even mad at it, to be honest with you. So the thing about whether or not prominent people, including Democrats like Bill Clinton, would be involved in the Epstein files, is that Epstein, this is his total ammo. He intentionally

had deep ties to all kinds of prominent, wealthy, powerful people on all sides of the aisle. This is the same thing we saw from other convicted sex criminal, Sean Diddy Combs, you know, surround yourself with wealthy, prominent, powerful people. And that both becomes this shield from accountability for your crimes. And then also you can get dirt on all these other powerful people and sort of have an extra layer of power and protection. So it is pretty likely that it's the entirety of who did what is released. There would be powerful people on all sides of the political spectrum.

and also just like wealthy, famous, non-political people because that's how Epstein rolled. But I want to talk about one prominent Democrat who we know had a connection with Epstein and what that says about our current tech climate. And that person is Larry Summers. Yep. Who I did not know by name. I knew of him, I think. I just didn't know him. But now I do.

And I'm like, what a way for people to find out who you are. Yes. This is why I wanted to make this episode, in part just as an old, these names that come up, you're like, oh, well, if you're under 30, you might not know this name. But if you're over 30, you might remember a lot about this person just from being a person who was alive when a lot of this stuff was going on. So, Larry Summers, he might not be a flashy name that you recognize. But if you have any cash dollar bills that were mented from 1999 to 2001, you are carrying around Larry Summers' signature. in your wallet because his signature is on the money that was meant it then because he was the U.S. Secretary of the Treasury from 1999 to 2001 under former President Bill Clinton.

And he was also the director of the National Economic Council under former President Barack Obama. Basically, that's just a fancy title for the fact that he was the top advisor on economic matters for the president. So a pretty big deal. And Annie, you actually, I think we talked about the movie, the social network one time on here and how much I like it. he is actually a fictionalized version of himself is portrayed in the movie The Social Network. He sort of portrayed as like a good guy when the Winklevoss twins set up a meeting with him

to complain that Zuckerberg stole their idea for Facebook while they were students at Harvard, of which Larry Summers used to be the president of, which I will come back to. But yeah, so you might have seen like a fictionalized version of Larry Summers in that movie. I'm going to have to go back and watch it now. It's going to be strange. Now I know all this other stuff that has come out. Yeah. Yes.

Even about Zuckerberg. At the time he was bad and now I'm like, oh. Wild that I feel like the Winklevoss twins are the kind of the ones that history sort of is like, well, I'm not reading about them like having connections with convicted sex criminals and stuff or, you know, disrupting democracy via Facebook and meta. So I don't know. Maybe they turned out to be. Maybe history will be kind of. to the Winkle Voss twins, even though they're sort of portrayed as the villains in that movie. And played by not a great guy.

Well, I was going to say, who played, who played him? Arr hammered. Oh my God. How did I just put this together? Yeah. I was just in Timberlake, but it's, that's worse. Justin Timberlake is Sean Parker, the Napster guy. Oh, my God.

Okay, okay. Wow. Oh. I'm going to rewatch this. I think I'm going to have a wild time. I've never seen it. I just know it's such a good movie. If you ever want to do a rewatch,

like we all watch it and like recap it. What I love to you. Yes. We might need to do this. Oh my gosh. I'll give my first time take. Cast of characters in that whole, both in the fictionalized version in the Sorkin film and in real life.

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University, is mentioned as somebody who had a documented pretty uncool relationship with convicted pedophile and wealthy financier Jeffrey Epstein. And just in the way of disclosures before I talk too much about Harvard University, I should disclose that I am currently an affiliate of Harvard University's Brookman-Klein Center. So I did want to back up and just give a bit of a quick and dirty rundown of who Epstein is for folks who are not mired in this like I had been for the last couple of months. So Epstein was a wealthy financier who threw his money all over the place. He was convicted of sex crimes against a minor in 2008 and famously got off on a very lenient

sentence for that crime, only 13 months with work release. Importantly, both before this and notably, After this conviction, a lot of influential people continue to associate with Epstein, who by then was a convicted sex criminal. Abstein died in jail in 2019 while awaiting trial on federal sex trafficking charges, and the New York City medical examiner ruled his death of suicide, but conspiracy theories claiming that Epstein didn't kill himself began to spread almost immediately in the aftermath. The idea here is that Epstein was taken out to avoid details that might incriminate

powerful people that he associated with. And it's one of those theories that kind of works regardless of what side of the aisle you're on because Epstein had ties with all the political parties. And as I said, that ingratiating himself with like wealthy, powerful spaces and people was just sort of Epstein's MO, especially in the tech world.

He gave donations to a lot of influential tech spaces. We did an episode of my podcast, there are no girls on the internet, about the contributions he made to MIT's Media Lab and the Kenyan first year MIT grad student who called for Joy Ito, the head of the media lab, to step down once this was revealed. He also had some kind of a relationship with Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates. Bill Gates's ex-wife, Melinda, has given several interviews to the effect that her marriage to Bill Gates ended in part because of Bill Gates's relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. She does this interview with Gail King where Gail is like, well, what exactly happened? Like, can you give us more details about what, you know, made you want to leave your husband because of Epstein?

And she was like, you're going to have to ask Bill Gates that, not me. So it's like a very, it seems to me she's like insinuating something. And I'll guess I'll just leave it at that. So it's one of those things where you have a lot of powerful, rich and famous people having this connection with Epstein. and that is how he designed it. And so when the House Oversight Committee released these emails and these documents, we got a lot more insight

into what that looked like. And I just have to add as a side note, have you all read any of these emails or exchanges? I have not. It makes me sad. I've seen things being posted so I know of blips. Okay.

So this is just a side note, I guess. the way they are written is fucking insane. Like, reading these emails that some of the most prominent, wealthy, important people in government tech and media, reading the way that they emailed each other has absolutely cured me of my anxiety around needing to word my emails just so. When I'm writing an email, I'm trying to gauge the exact right amount of exclamation marks to use to sound enthusiastic and easy to work with, but not too enthusiastic. every email is like, no worries.

If not, I'm happy to do-da-da. Like, I go through so much second-guessing this. Meanwhile, Jeffrey Epstein was just like, yo, what's up? Want to do some sex crimes later? L-O-L. Like every word misspelled. Every word mistype. Every word misspelled.

Punctuation absent are completely inexplicable. Yes. It's kind of like if a boomer was trying to be cool in there, like L-O-Ls, like that type of thing no one actually uses but they think that's what the kids are doing.

Truly it is like up number four sex crime question mark LOLLL with the Z punctuated insane He put a lot of stuff in writing that

I mean I just don't think any of this stuff should have been in writing and they're so egregiously mistyped that part of me wonders if this was intentional if they were trying to like evade some sort of something

I have no idea. But I want to make it clear that he wasn't writing these in like 1999 or something during a time when we didn't really have a concept of what email was or what did or didn't belong in emails and how to write them. He was writing a lot of these emails in 2018, right? At a time when email was commonplace, the whole thing is just very weird to me. Yeah, it does get to the like plausible deniability. I would never write it that way. That's not how I speak type of thing.

Or just even because they've been. tried to index, you know, you can search how many times a name comes up or whatever in these. And so if there's like a misspelling or if there's something that would mess up trying to index something. So I also was kind of

like, are you trying to get around something I don't know about? Yes, that was my big, and I have no idea, but that was my thought because everything is so egregiously misspelled that it almost is like this has to be some rich guy way. of not having your crimes getting found out later or something.

Otherwise, he just really could have fiend type. Like, that's really what it is. How do you get those bottom quotation marks? I feel like you have to go out of your way to do that. That's what I'm saying. I mean, we know the actual, like, intelligence is not as intelligent as we think they are when it comes to white men. So. Hell no.

Hell no. I mean, they were putting this stuff in writing anyway. It's like, yeah, don't put your crimes in writing. However, I've said this so many times. There's nothing. When it's like, oh, we've released the emails. I'm like, I'm going to read every single one. There's just something about people writing emails that they don't realize they're going to be read later in a deposition or made public in a deposition or something.

Yeah. So I should give a big caveat that just because somebody knew Epstein and associated with him and emailed with him does not necessarily mean that they did something criminal. when a lot of these people have been asked, people are mostly like, oh, well, I didn't know him like that. But at the same time, it is not like what Epstein was doing was a secret, right? In 2011, mind you, this is two years after Epstein was convicted of a sex crime against a minor.

Bill Gates told the New York Times about Epstein, quote, his lifestyle is very different and kind of intriguing, although it would never work for me. So you're not going to ever convince me that Bill Gates had no idea he was associating with somebody who committed sex crimes against minors when he was sick. You're just not going to be able to convince me that he didn't know what was going on, which is what he says now.

When Epstein was donating money to the MIT Media Lab, for instance, the staff at MIT had a whole system for flagging Epstein's donations using the code name Voldemort, or he who shall not be named, specifically to obscure where that money came from because he had already been convicted of sex crimes. So, yeah, these people knew this was not a big secret. People now who were like, oh, I had no idea. I don't know. I have a hard time believing some of the people

who are going out of their way to say this now. Yeah. And I also think some of the things we're hearing, especially like Megan Kelly being like, there's a difference between a five-year-old and 15-year-old. I feel like that we're also having to, confront that older men do this and have been doing it forever. And we've kind of societally been like, oh, that's his lifestyle.

Or yeah, that's what he's into. Gross. Yeah. Like the way Bill Gates is like, oh, his lifestyle is certainly intriguing to me. Homie, those are sex crimes against kids. I got a lifestyle choice. We're not talking about like, being vegan, we're talking about a entire network designed to traffic children for sex crime.

I think you're exactly right. And I do think we should talk about that because I think when we make Epstein into a solo monster, which she definitely is a monster, but it makes it easy to not look at some of the ways, these attitudes really do show up all over the place, right? You don't have to be flying in girls on your private plane, nicknamed the Lolita Express, to have really messed up attitudes about young girls. I was just reading an article about how a AI company was used to deep fake images of girls to make deep fake nudes.

And they had used specifically, yearbook pictures. And it was like, one of the headlines I'd read was something to the effect of women's yearbook pictures used for deep things. I got to thinking, I'm a grown woman. I have not taken a yearbook photo since I have become an adult because it is not grown adult women who take yearbook photos. It's children because they are in school. So why did this headline say that it was women's yearbook photos as if these women were adults? Anybody who's getting a yearbook photo, unless you've got some other situation going on, maybe you're a teacher. you're usually a child, you're in school,

you're in K through 12 education. Oh, yeah. I was looking, because I saw that headline too, and some of the advertisements for those sites, did you see that? It said the AI girls will never say no to you. Yeah, yeah. It was so disturbing.

There were so many implications into these things in a date rate culture, but also coming back to the fact that, yes, these girls look like they're in, school. Yeah. And something about the way that the Megan Kelly thing, you know, Megan Kelly has a daughter who was like 15, 16. And I think especially for a parent or somebody who spends a lot of time around a 15, 16 year old to make it sound like, because a lot of people will say like, oh, well, she looked older or seemed older. When you're around a 15 year old, you really have a

front row see to the ways in which they are obviously very much kids. And I just think it's hard for me to wrap my head around somebody who could be spending time with a 15 year old and not be like, this is a child, you know, there's, there's, it's, I just, I really can't, if you spend any time around, if you've got teenagers yourself, you really see the ways every day in which they are just kids. And it really is shocking to me that someone who is around a 15 year old every day, but really any, would make it seem like somehow because they're not a toddler, it's different, you know? And I know that there are, there are when it comes to like, you know, professionals who study

this kind of thing, they have different designations. But really, you know, a sex crime against a minor is a sex crime against a minor. Yeah. Well, and it just feels like such a, if you have to explain that, you're already in the, something has gone wrong. Something has gone wrong. Oh, yes. Something is gone, yes. If you find yourself saying something like that, something's up.

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we get some more insight until the relationship that Larry Summers had with Jeffrey Epstein, and it's a fucking weird one. So Summers described Epstein as his, quote, wingman. So from these emails, we learn that Larry Summers was really hung up on trying to pursue a romantic relationship with a student that he referred. referred to as his mentee, and he consistently sought advice from Epstein about how to best do this. From November 2018 to July 2019, text messages and emails show that Larry Summers consistently asked Epstein for advice about this relationship. Epstein responded eagerly offering encouragement

and tips, even calling himself Summers as wingman in a message from November 2018. Maybe don't get a convicted sex criminal against kids. Maybe don't seek this person out for advice on how to get your mentee, who is also a student, to have sex with you, especially when you are married, which, by the way, Larry Summers was when all of this was going down. Yes. And also, just to note, he was contacting Epstein until he went to jail. Yes.

This is a guy finding so wild. So to make it clear, this contact was happening well after Epstein's initial conviction on sex crimes against kids back in 2008. And you are so right, Annie, the back and forth exchanges that Larry Summers had with Jeffrey Epstein, they only ended the day before Epstein was arrested again on new federal sex trafficking charges. So that means they were like, bud, bud, bud, it's like if the back and forth about how to get your mentee to sleep with you only stop because this man got arrested on federal sex trafficking charges, y'all were in deep. They were like thickest thieves as far as I'm concerned. Literally, like, because someone was looking at the mail and you would have to do it by hand.

Like, that is insane. That is insane. I do want to get into the meat of some of these messages because I think they're very revealing about what kind of person was actually, you know, at the helm at Harvard. So at one point, Summers told Epstein that he was worried that maybe his mentee didn't want to pursue a romantic or sexual relationship with him because maybe she just wanted to keep things professional. He said, quote, think for now I'm going nowhere with her except economics mentor boring, Summers wrote

on November 2018. I think I'm right now in the seem very warmly in the rear view mirror category. She must be very confused or maybe wants to cut me off but wants professional connection a lot so she holds to it, Summers wrote in March 2019,

basically saying that like, oh, like I like her and maybe she likes me, but she just wants to keep me around for professional reasons. Mind you, this, he self-describe, he is her mentor. So it's like, oh, she only wants me to like give her economics guidance and education a little lowering. So who was this student in question? According to the Harvard Crimson, in at least some of its exchanges with Epstein on the relationship, Summers appears to refer to economist K.U. Jin, a tenured professor at the London School of Economics at the time, who was mentioned in a series of late

2018 messages between the two men. So I actually knew who she was before this all came to life because she's a pretty prominent person. She goes on all the big podcasts. Like, she has a pretty prominent career and is a, I would say a public figure at this point. So I mentioned this because look how grossly Larry Summers talks about this person who at the time was his mentor.

Larry Summers was forwarding academic work that she would send to him to Epstein. here's my paper and then he's like, I gotta get, I gotta get Epstein's eyes on this. So Summers forwarded Epstein an email from Jin, which she was asking for feedback on a paper that she had written.

And then Summers used to Epstein that it was probably appropriate to hold off on responding. So he's really doing that thing of like, ooh, like when should I text back? Like, is it like, should I give her her paper feedback today or does that look too eager?

Epstein replied, quote, she's already beginning, spelled wrong, to sound needy, smiley face emoji. Nice. Now, Jin is Chinese and at one point Summers wrote, quote, capital you, lowercase are, better at understanding Chinese women than at probability theory Larry wrote to Epstein. They used to also refer to her as this nickname Perel. Right? So like, when I saw this, I was like, where did this nickname come from? Apparently, this nickname might be drawn

from the racist, quote, yellow peril trope of the late 19th and 20th century, which was used to stoke fear that Asian immigrants, especially Chinese and Japanese people, were a danger or a threat to Westerners. Just real cool and classy conversations to be putting in writing

with a convicted sex criminal. Literally during that time is when they also made this fear that all Asian women were prostitutes. So that was that implication this level of Asian fetishism. that began in that propaganda. Yeah, and was continued in these messages.

From 2018. That's what I'm saying. Like, I just like, yeah. It's just like, yeah. Yep. Yep. Yep. So Epstein and Larry Summers were also financially entangled, which is an Epstein classic. Summers traveled on Epstein's private plane,

which was nicknamed the Lolita Express, on at least four occasions, at least three times while Summers was the president of Harvard. Summers also met more than a dozen times with Epstein and solicited donations from him for his wife, who was a Harvard English professor, Elisa New. The messages released show that Summers was trying to organize visits to Harvard on Epstein's behalf to discuss his wife's poetry work. So just really not smart.

I will say that Harvard did put out a report about their connection to Epstein. And it seems like before Epstein was convicted in 2008, he did donate, I think, $9 million to Harvard. And after he was convicted, did visit campus quite a bit. So it does seem like the calls were sort of coming from inside the Ivy League University, if you know what I mean. But having the president of Harvard associating with somebody who would already been convicted of sex crimes against minors, it's not a good look to say the least. It's definitely not good judgment. Now, if only there had been some clue to tip us off that perhaps Larry Summers was a creep who could not be trusted in positions of authority around young women and co-eds.

Oh, wait a minute, because that's exactly what we fucking got. Because I mentioned that Larry Summers was formerly the president of Harvard University, not just a professor they are lucky as now. Why was he forced to resign, you ask? Shrhy attitudes toward women where there is. smoke there was fire, my friends. This should not be surprising to anybody. Unfortunately, no. And I guess it's like why I wanted to talk about this is like we had a whole conversation. It was a national conversation around 2005, 2006 about what kind of person Larry Summers was.

And it's just wild to be like, oh, we're that guy still in the mix. We're still talking about that guy? Yes, because these people, they're never pushed out when like it's clear something is going on. The thing that really sunk Summers' tenure as president of Harvard remarks that he made in 2005 at an economics conference. So Summers was talking about why there are so few women in STEM fields, and he wondered if the reason why there aren't more women in these fields just because women are just naturally and innately stupid and also bad at things. He laid out three kind of potential hypotheses for what's going on.

One is that women want more work-life balance than men, so they can't succeed in these fields as much as men. He was like, it's probably not it. Two, gender discrimination, which he basically was like, I don't think so. And then the one that he really kind of double-clicked on was the idea that women are just biologically worse at the traits that one needs to succeed in STEM, which is basically where he landed. He argued that the gender gap in STEM must be biological, specifically differences in intrinsic aptitude, and that men and women might have different variabilities in certain traits like math or science ability. meaning that more men would just naturally occupy more top positions in those fields. He tried to back this up with like behavioral genetics research,

claiming that some attributes once thought to come from socialization may actually have, you know, biological components. I will say he did say when this kind of became a controversy, he was like, oh, I thought this was meant to be kind of an off the record, safe space for bad opinions about gender. So like my bad. I didn't know we were going to be like telling everybody about what it was being said here. Oh, that's another in the long line.

We've been talking a lot lately about, and even with you, Bridget, we've discussed this before, but about men using those terms like save space. Yes. Completely incorrectly. And also it's kind of like, no wonder women might not want to work with you. the power because you treat them as a dating opportunity or a chance to have sex. Guess what? They don't want to be involved in that and you're the one making these decisions. Exactly that. Like, these things are so clearly linked. The fact that he got up on a stage and said

this and the fact that he was creepily pursuing his mentee and sending her fucking like academic papers to a convicted pedophile, these things are all linked, right? And I will just say this. He also picked a terrible time to say the. things because he said these things against the backdrop of Harvard facing, according to the Crimson, widespread faculty criticism following reports that women received only four of the 32 tenure authors from the Faculty of Arts and Sciences that year. Right. So like there was already like a brew ha ha about women and whether or not they were included and represented at Harvard. And he gets, this jack gets on stage and says these things, right? I wish that we could go back to that time and

have a different conversation about it because I think we'd be in a different place right now. I will say that Summers apologized and clarified that he does not believe that women are intellectually inferior. What a nice guy. Definitely a great president at Harvard. But this was also like not an isolated thing with him.

He used to joke about women's intelligence quite often apparently and talked about what he described as excessive penalties for men who hit on women in the workplace. Surprise, surprise. He was actively hitting on. on his mentee at an academic institution and was like, are we being too hard on men

who just trying to hit on women at work? He would think that. I mean, he sounds like the guy who was like, we can't talk to women at all anymore. I can't be like touching them, though. It's against the rules now. Like, what? Women won't.

You have behaved that way. Is it gross? Yeah. Women these days can't even try to cheat on your wife with them. Or what begins? Can't even have a good time with them. So I should ask. that when this was going on, a lot of people in the Harvard community did stick up for him.

But ultimately, Harvard's board voted no confidence. This controversy really lingered until eventually Larry Summers resigned from his role as president of Harvard the next year. But don't worry. Two years later, President Obama named Summers as the director of the National Economic Council because he always lands on his feet this one. The like comeback of white men. And it really is like amazing to say like we talk about how women like the bootstrapping theory, this is why that's not a thing. Like bootstrap thing is not a thing because we see this.

Like men who should be taken down always bounce back. Always bounce back. Connections no matter what happens. And like some of the stuff that he was saying to students and around campus, he we know from the release of these emails that he was also saying the same stuff to Epstein, which really isn't surprising. he retread that same terrain that he got it. Years after getting in trouble for this stuff at Harvard, he continued to say this kind of stuff to Epstein. In 2017, he wrote this little gym,

saying that he had, quote, observed that half the IQ in the world was possessed by women without mentioning that they are more than 51% of the population. Oh, good one. It's not even a good joke. Like, if you're going to, there are, you shouldn't be making jokes like this about women, but it's not even like to, in my,

opinion, not even a very good joke. No. No. And it's, I mean, all of this is disgusting and horrific, but it is going back to what I said earlier, very pathetic that you would have to reach out to a convicted sex predator to get late because he's very like, he has one email that says something like, I just need to get horizontal help me. Yes, yes. What is wrong? wrong with you. Bro, you are the president of Harvard. Just me, like, act like it. It's something, you know, a therapist once told me that men in power,

there need to have sex with people that they should not be having sex with. It makes them so small. And it's so true that, like, you're the president of Harvard, and you were putting in an email that you just need to get horizontal, bro, to Jeffrey Epstein about your mentee. That is a problem. That is not, like, I just, yeah. And I think it really speaks to the fact.

that I'm sure I've said this before. I don't trust any institution where there are not women all up and through at the tippy, tippy top. If it's all men or mostly men left to their own devices, I don't care if it's an Ivy League University, the military, the Catholic priesthood, the

anything, the NFL, if you don't got women all up and through at the tippy top, I don't trust it. Something's going on. Some shit and put in emails that shouldn't be put in emails. Why, and why does email sound like 1990 for that boy? Like, it really, like, I'm just, The wording, like the faces I have made throughout this whole episode, like, is just disgust and shocked.

Because I'm like, why are you sounding like my 18-year-old nephew right now? What is wrong with you? Yeah. In the same breath, it'll be like, I got to get horizontal, bro, smite, winky face. And then it'll be like, oh, what are your thoughts on Trump? Don't you think he's a buffoon? And it's like, I don't think that might be the buffoon calling the boffoon a buffoon. All are one in the same.

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he said that he was going to be stepping back from public roles, but was going to be continuing teaching at Harvard. So he's currently like a faculty member at Harvard. There was a video. Maybe I'll put the audio in if I can find it. There's a video of his. him starting his class a couple days ago,

basically with an apology to students being like, oh, I'm sorry that I was friends with Epstein. With your permission, I'd like to just like continue talking about economics and class now. So after he announced that he was going to be not stepping back from teaching, he eventually did reverse course and said that he was going to be stepping back for the moment. He does have tenure, so it's not like he was fired and who knows what will happen next. but TAs are going to finish off the rest of his class for the semester. He also resigned from the board of OpenAI, the company that makes chat GPT.

And Harvard is launching an investigation into his connections with Epstein, which, yeah, I'll say they fucking should. Elizabeth Warren, who is a law professor at Harvard, has urged the university to cut ties with him. And I guess the reason that I wanted to talk about this is because, you know, when I was doing research, one of the big pieces that I read to prepare for this conversation was this piece in the Times about whether or not Summers could mount a comeback since he's bounced back so many times in the past. Now, this piece in the Times has published the day that Summers

announced that he was going to be temporarily stepping back from his classes. And I just hated that that conversation was being framed just a few hours after he announced he was just stepping down temporarily as like, well, can his career be saved? He's 70 years old. I don't think that him being relieved from being in a position to be around young, you know, co-eds and students and to have this, this relationship where he is inherently of an authority figure to people like that, I don't think that's like ruining his life. You know what I'm saying? Like, like, the fact that it was even phrased that way really bothered me. And Alejandro Caraballo, who is a clinical instructor at Harvard Law Cyberclinic, commented online, quote,

it is not normal for a professor to start a class discussing how they regret being best buddies with a child sex trafficker. And honestly, I have to agree, right? Like, we cannot, this is not an apologize and move on and continue with the economics lesson kind of thing. This is a pretty big deal that when we should be treating it like it's a pretty big deal. And I think especially someone like Larry Summers, who at the very least, least has over and over again proven himself to have pretty bad judgment when it comes to women. Having this person have roles where he is so involved and hands on about shaping what the future of technology looks like through things like a board position at OpenAI, I just think

that we really have to think about what that means and whether or not men like this are who we want shaping the future of how technology shows up in all of our lives. right? Like I certainly do not trust somebody like Larry Summers to be making decisions about what our shared future is going to look like. I'm honestly so disturbed by the mere fact that people are ignoring the fact that he for once, like I'm sure there's so many other instances of like sexual harassment. Like she actually said, I don't want to do this. Can we keep this professional? And her life is probably being upended. Like I cannot imagine what she like the trauma and the shock she's going through seeing these emails of not only that, having the. the name of Epstein. Like if she didn't know him, she hadn't met him and knowing all the things about him, she was like, oh, I literally was being trafficked, like groomed trafficked and kind of in a way

with this dude who traffics and grooms women and like as his profession. Like that's what he was doing. And this man who I trusted was getting like territorial slash predatoryal advice for me when all I'm trying to do is survive and get an education and move on in this life. Like there's so much to this. Yeah. And it's not like she asked to be involved in this. And I should say, in case it's not clear, we don't even know that she had any concept of the fact that this was going on that her mentor at Harvard was forwarding her perfectly reasonable emails and papers and work to Jeffrey Epstein. It just is really, we should be treating it as a shocking and unacceptable thing because it is.

And I guess where I land is that we really cannot keep acting shocked when powerful institutions protect powerful men who have these like long and well-documented histories of bad judgment, sexist thinking, and frankly ethically grotesque associations, right? It's not like Summers just had one bad quote. He had an entire legacy of things like minimizing discrimination, joking about women in the workplace, letting Epstein fund his wife's project. and treating young women like his mentee like a conquest that he could game theory his way into getting horizontal with and then describing it in the crudest ways impossible, right? Like, and Harvard, the U.S. government, tech companies, the media all kept continuing to give him power. The New York Times writing an article the day that it becomes clear that he's going to step back temporarily from teaching, asking about the state of his career and whether or not he can come back

and bounce it back from this is exactly what I mean. Yeah. And that's like one of the memes that I've seen going around is like something that finally brings all men of any religion of any together is that they will use young girls this way. And one of the things that really frustrates me about this conversation is that like even going back to the Bill Clinton thing, who do we immediately are like, we got to protect Bill Clinton?

Who are we like, oh, we got to protect Larry Summers? No, we're not talking about the people who were hurt by this. You just want to know that this guy's career is safe. And he's fine. He's doing fine. He is 70 years old. I don't want to sound agist. I just feel like at 70 years old,

if you're this kind of person, maybe we don't need you. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, maybe you living a private life with your wife who now knows all about the emails you were sending about your mentee, maybe that is fine. Maybe we don't want to talk about that. Like, it's the biggest tragedy that somebody like Larry Summers

doesn't get to have this role of authority and this role of influential power both over, you know, Harvard students, but also over all of us, right? Because if you're sitting on the board at OpenAI, you do have some power over us. You're making decisions and you're putting out technology

that is going to go on to shape all of our lives. And I completely agree with you, Annie. I just really, it bothers me that when the conversation is framed about what's going to happen to poor Larry Summers, he's going to be fine. He's going to be completely fine. Literally the system was built for him, like, for him to be fine. The fact that he can really be like, ah, my bad, bro. We cool?

Like, that literally was his apology. Like, yeah, my bad. Not even like conversation about the fact that, yes, he was using his authority and power to go after women. That he's like, this is definitely normal for me as a professor, or president of a school to try to be like intimidate women into sleeping with me. And then, you know, there's so many other things. But like the fact that he can come back and be like, eh, my bad.

But you know, we're moving on, right? Let me talk about economics. And everybody seems like, okay, that sounds about right. This doesn't affect you as a person. So it's fine. As a teacher. And so when these rules, when people decide that because they are powerful or influential, these rules don't apply to them,

I think it's really a problem. When you get to say, oh, well, I did this, but I should just go on and continue my lesson for today. No, you don't, right? And I think that they're saying that for a long time, the rules did not apply to powerful people. And the question is whether or not we want to live in a world where that is the case, right?

Do we want to live in a world where someone like this gets to do things like this and just go on to finish their economics lesson for the day? I say no. And so I think as we watch what comes out of this Department of Justice release with the Epstein files, I hope we can like resist this idea of using it to talk about like whether or not someone's career is going to be impacted or all of that. I think truly this will likely touch every corner of power, academia, politics, entertainment, tech, finance. And we should be talking about accountability, right? We should be talking about centering the people who were harmed, regardless of the resumes

and power and influence of the people who were doing the harming. I think that is the bare minimum. And ultimately, I don't think the people shaping the future should be taking advice from a convicted child sex predator on how to pursue women half their age. I think that is a totally reasonable standard to set. And I will die on this hill. I don't know if I don't care if it makes me sound. Like an extremist, I will die on the pill.

Ooh. I mean, I think a lot of pod bros are going to be mad at you about that statement. Come at me, bros. Them and their Peepsagate and now they're like, this is no information, though. I know. It's why because if you go back and look at like QAnon and Pizza Gate, it's like you have emails that Hillary Clinton wrote to Podesta

that are like, oh, should we get some pizza later? and people are like, but if you replaced pizza with children, think about it then. And then you have Epstein putting like up for sex crimes later and it's like, well, no, no, no, no, no. We don't know what that means. That's not what that means. That's out of context. Exactly. Yeah, so if the Department of Justice releases these files, I'm sure we're going to have a lot more to discuss, but that's where we're at for right now.

And if Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton are on that list, yeah, they should also be locked up. Let's go ahead and put them there. Yeah, if anybody who is shown to have committed a crime should be locked up. That's the thing is like, I don't want abusers on my team. And I don't think that, I think that we're being sold this idea of tribalism of like, oh, are you going to care if it's your favorite entertainer or your favorite, you know, celebrity? who gets taken down? No, because I don't want that.

I don't want a person who was a criminal walking free, even if it's somebody who I happen to be politically aligned with or like enjoy their work. I mean, I have stopped watching many of shows because many of the celebrities have disappointed me and have shown their true color. So putting on my bayon list, let's go. Yes, yes.

Well, we shall see. We shall see what happens. And I'm sure we will come back and discuss this more. And yeah, thank you so much, Bridget, for breaking down such an intense topic for us. Thank you for having me. Yeah, you all, even though it's horrifying, you all made it a little less so. Yes. And now we might watch the social network together and be kind of horrified about some of the realities.

But I'm excited. They're making a sequel. They're making a sequel? Jeremy Strong is going to play. Zuckerberg, like a later version of Zuckerberg in the sequel. I know this sounds, look it up. I read it in deadline.

Look it up. Are they going to have the moments where he and Elon Musk might fight? Oh, I was just talking about that on a podcast. I mean, say what you will about Mark Zuckerberg. Zuckerberg would drop Elon Musk like a stack of potato. Say what you will.

You know I hate Zuckerberg. I hate them both. Absolutely going Zuckerberg on this one. I hope they have. have the scene when he's on the wakeboard and he's just... Pale translucent. Yeah, I really want that to be in the movie. And like sad, like adult midlife crisis music playing. Yeah.

That's what I want. My partner's mom, when we showed her that picture, she just said, what a dweeb. And I'll never forget it because I don't think I've ever heard somebody call someone else a dweeb. That's cool. Yeah. It's like, yes, dweeb. But you are correct. So you are correct.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Well, something to look forward to. Question about. In the meantime, Bridget, where can the good listeners find you? You can listen to my podcast. There are no girls on the internet. You can follow me on Instagram at Bridgett, Marine, D.C.,

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