There Are No Girls on the Internet - Jimmy Kimmel Fired by Disney; Karen Attiah Fired from the Post; DOJ Hides Far Right Extremism; Ads On Your Fridge! – NEWS ROUNDUP w/ L. Joy Williams

Episode Date: September 19, 2025

Not gonna lie - it's been a rough week. The Trump administration has used Charlie Kirk's murder to crack down on dissent, shocking even their allies with their willingness to threaten critics and trample First Amendment values. But these authoritarians will fail. Bridget is joined by L. Joy Williams, president of the New York NAACP and host Sunday Civics on Sirius XM and wherever you get your podcasts, to recap the latest developments in our slide towards autocracy. Jimmy Kimmel was fired to protect a multi-billion dollar merger of two of the country's biggest broadcast networks: https://variety.com/2025/tv/news/nexstar-jimmy-kimmel-suspension-fcc-pressure-1236523812/ Read Karen Attiah's Substack post about her firing from the Washington Post for repeating Charlie Kirk's own words: https://karenattiah.substack.com/p/the-washington-post-fired-me-but Listen to guest co-host L. Joy Williams' podcast Sunday Civics: https://www.sundaycivics.org/  Read the DOJ report about domestic terrorism that the Trump Administration tried to hide. It's surprisingly readable, and unequivocal about the most common perpetrators of domestic terrorism – the far right: https://terrorismresearch.uark.edu/new-nij-article-highlights-decades-worth-of-research-findings-from-the-trc/?ref=404media.co    Michigan lawmakers continue Republicans' assault on speech and war against trans people: https://www.them.us/story/michigan-total-porn-ban-trans-josh-schriver Some good news! Senators Tammy Baldwin (D-Wisconsin) and Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska) have teamed up to co-sponsor a bill that would restore funding for suicide prevention among LBTQ+ youth: https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/2025/09/18/baldwin-introduces-bill-to-restore-988-crisis-line-for-lgbtq-youth/86201082007/ If you’re listening on Spotify, you can leave a comment there to let us know what you thought about these stories, or email us at [e-mail] Follow Bridget and TANGOTI on social media! || instagram.com/bridgetmarieindc/ || tiktok.com/@bridgetmarieindc || youtube.com/@ThereAreNoGirlsOnTheInternet See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And this is another installment of our weekly news roundup, where we dig into some of the stories that you might have missed online so you don't have to. I am so pleased to be joined by this week's guest co-host, El Joy Williams, president of the New York NAACP, and, host of the Sunday Civic Show on Sirius XM. El Joy, thank you so much for being here. I know it is a weird, tough time. That is an understatement, Bridget. But thank you so much for inviting me for us to talk trash about what's happening in the world. Yeah, I mean, we were talking before we started recording just, it just feels like a lot. Like generally when I do these episodes, I'm having a cocktail. It's the end of a long Thursday. I'm sort of looking back on the week. And this, I just, it doesn't, things don't feel good. Things don't feel right. Like, I'll give it to y'all

straight. It really feels like things have escalated quite quickly in the wake of Charlie Kirk's murder. I will say I have personally, I don't think I've ever seen anything quite like this. What have, what have you been sensing around this? Well, I would say the same thing. While I was prepared for it, like you knew things were coming. And, and, but you don't know how things are going to be executed, how people are going to take advantage. And, how people are going to take advantage of different moments of different things. And really, it is opportunistic in a lot of spaces. And so, on the one hand, I feel like people are acting as if things are normal. And I just want to go around and shake everyone. I was at a dinner where I was being honored in, like,

the whole room. There's one of those dinners where like nobody pays attention to her phone. everybody's just talking and networking and dealing. And like they had Cheryl swoops up there getting an award and like nobody was paying attention. I was like, what is happening? When I got up there, I was like, for the four or five people who are listening to me, this is indicative of what's happening out in the world where there is a set of people who are just like, oh, this is just, you know, normal and I'm going to continue my deals and my networking and things of that nature.

And there's only a handful of people paying attention. and you have to capture those who, those few who are paying attention. We have to get rid of the moniker that we need to get the masses and need to get everybody. He's just like, nope, just speak to the people that's paying attention, bills and organize with them, and then eventually that'll get larger and larger. So that's what it feels like. It feels like you're trying to have some sense of normalcy, particularly for me. I have kids and right, so I can't walk.

around a house like the sky is falling, but at the same time, being able to clearly see what's happening around you and develop plans to respond accordingly. Spoken like a true organizer, this is why I'm glad I have you on the show this week. I want to ask you something that I hope is not too personal. I don't have kids. I, my sense is people that do have kids, it kind of forces you to stay tethered to some sense of hope to some sense that something better is on the horizon. I feel, you know, not having children myself. I have a lot of young people in my life and nieces and nephews and people that I, young

people that I care about. But there's something, I think there's something about being a parent in this time where you kind of have to force yourself no matter how dark things seem to think there's something better on the horizon for my kid. Do you ever get that sense? Absolutely. There are all these, obviously, memes on TikTok and stuff like that, where There's like the mom having the nervous breakdown and the kid comes and, like, gives them the juice box to open for them. And there's just like, oh, I open the juice box and then continue to slide down the wall. So we experience that on a regular basis, right? Whether it's your own, I mean, imagine coming home from a hard day or like I said, this, you know, past week has been, you know, slammed me.

I have four kids. The youngest one being one years old. And so when I'm laying on the couch and they come home, they're jumping on. on top of me doing whatever, I can't be like, don't be happy. You see what Trump is doing. So, D.C. You know what I mean? And so it's how do you have the conversations, the older ones who are 10 and 16, having conversations with them because I don't want them to be completely disconnected from what's happening in the world. And so talking to them about the things that are happening in an appropriate manner so that they're not walking around scared, but that also they're aware. And then for me, as someone who's a

civics enthusiast, I always like to, whether the adults who listen to the show I do Sunday civics or even the young people I engage with, I give them the hope that they have the power and the ability to change things, that they don't, you know, this is not just stuff that's happening to you, but you have an opportunity and what tools do you have in your toolbox to respond to what is happening around you. That's so important. And I think especially right now when we're having conversations about young people and this feeling of nihilism and feeling, you know, which I understand, but I think the antidote to that is offering what you're offering, that you actually do have agency. You can make change. Yeah, being raised by an organizer. I think you're

probably raising young folks who feel quite engaged and quite empowered to make change in their communities. Absolutely. And I have a 10-year-old who quite often, is organized in something. Something in a classroom or something. Although she called me old today, so I'm not going to speak pop. Watch them on me being born in the early 1900s. Oh, my God. Sometimes I will be so humbled.

Like, kids will humble you so quickly. It really is ridiculous. Absolutely. Let's talk more about this because even though we, I feel like I've done quite a bit of research and I still don't feel confident saying, in terms of what happened with Charlie Kirk that we know exactly a clear motive. Like, I don't think we're there yet, but that has not stopped the Trump administration and their allies from really using this to crack down on a lot of free expression and speech. We talked about this in our recent episode that I recorded the day that Charlie Kirk was killed.

But we've really seen it ramp up since then. The Washington Post opinion columnist Karen Atta was fired for essentially quoting. Kirk on social media, we'll actually hear from Karen Atia in her own words in an upcoming episode, so stay tuned for that. It does sound to me like they were kind of angling to get her out of the post ever since Amazon's Jeff Bezos bought the paper and really announced it as a much more kind of conservative, Trump-friendly slant. But, so it sounds like since that change, they have been sort of angling to get her out of the post. But since she was fired, there are no black columnists at the post. She was the last one. In a substack post, she wrote,

quote, as a columnist, I used my voice to defend freedom and democracy, challenge power, and reflect on culture, and politics with honesty and conviction. Now, I am the one being silenced for doing my job. On blue sky in the aftermath of the horrific shootings in Utah and Colorado, I condemned America's acceptance of political violence and criticized its ritualized responses, the hollow, cliched calls for thoughts and prayers, and this is not who we are. are that normalize gun violence and absolve white perpetrators especially, while nothing is done to curb deaths, I express sadness and fear for America. My journalistic and moral values for balance compelled me to condemn violence and murder without engaging in an excessive false mourning for a man

who routinely attacked black women as a group, put academics in danger by putting them on watchlists, claimed falsely that black people were better off in the era of Jim Crow and said that the Civil Rights Act was a mistake and favorably reviewed a book that called liberals unhumans. In a sense, deleted posts, a user accused me of supporting violence and fascism. I made clear that not performing over-the-top grief for white men who espouse violence was not the same as endorsing violence against them. My only direct reference to Kirk was one post, his own words on the record. So that, first of all, her words, I think, I think she's a hell of a writer. But I think that that bit is the substance of why the post says that they fired her. So essentially, she posted on Blue Sky a quote

that she attributed to Kirk. Quote, black women do not have the brain to be taken seriously. You have to go steal a white person's slot. Now, there is a small quibble here in that bit. When we actually played Kirk's, an audio from Kirk's show in our episode about Charlie Kirk, but the quibble is that they're saying, oh, well, he was talking about a handful of specific black women,

Michelle Obama, Joy Reid, then Congresswoman Sheila Jackson Lee, Supreme Court Justice Katanji Brown Jackson. Like, he was like, naming. specific women. So my sense is that in order to justify her firing, they're saying, oh, well, she misquoted Kirk

because she's making it sound like he was talking about black women writ large, but really he was talking about these specific black women, which in my opinion, I just don't. I think it's pulling over small, like small language, right? Because it's not

as if this one individual statement was taken out of context. There is a pattern in practice of this person. person stating inflammatory things that are geared towards a particular people, ethnic group, organizations and things of that nature. So it's not as if a journalist is sort of mischaracterizing this person, but that it is part of the pattern and practice of the rhetoric that they were doing on a daily basis. And, you know, I think for a large part, as you mentioned, for a lot of things that are

happening. Again, I believe people are just taking the moments and the opportunities, right, using it as an excuse. The reason why I want to fire Lisa Cook is also because I want control over the Federal Reserve Board. The reason why, you know, I want to fire all of these people in particular agencies is because I want to take over the money that is in there and also your contracts, private contracts, to the people that I owe money to for private prisons. So I think for a lot of it, it is taking the opportunity and rolling people up, right, to, again, which we do very well in American history. We do very well, particularly wealthy people, and I'm talking about Uber wealthy. I'm not talking about y'all with like a million dollars, right?

I'm talking to Uber wealthy where they point the finger at other people, right? They say, oh, you can't afford bread. You know why that is? It's because of the people coming across the border. Oh, you can't get a job. That's because, you know, you have all of these people with visas coming over from South Korea, right? So it continues to point the finger, the issue that you are most pressed about, i.e., the pocketbook issues that people keep saying, that they point back to the people as opposed to the folks who are in power and making the decisions and continuing to make the money. We've done that time and time again when black. and whites after Reconstruction are rebuilding cities and towns, and you have poor white folks and poor black folks coming together, building industry, fighting back for workers' rights, boating rights

and things of that nature. There is a split. They're telling the poor white people, well, we'll give you an extra $2, we'll give you an extra $5. You'll be in charge. You'll be management over these people, right? You can't view yourself as the same, you know, as these black people who were formally enslaved. goodness, no, right? Then fast forward when people are organizing in the union movement. And they're again, telling white people who now we consider white, but telling Irish people and Italians and others who are organizing again with black people, with Asian people, with Mexican people for workers' rights and things of that nature and saying, you don't want to be like them, you want to be white over here. Right. So we have a pattern and practice in this country, when I say we, right, of counting, to the wealthy people and believing their argument on who's responsible for our present condition.

And it's a distraction from the people who continue to make money. Absolutely fucking correct. And it's so effective. Sometimes I can't believe how effective it is. I can't believe that this old, I mean, I guess that's why it's an old tried and true tactic. I can't believe that here we are in 2025, that same thing that was being used to divide us decades ago. is still effective. I cannot believe that it's still something

that we have to contend with. But I guess that's why it's an old chestnut is because it works. Right. It is because of an unheeled wound of race and slavery. And not really, you know, just think about here in the state in New York, where we're dealing with, you know, a mayor's race and a governor in New York State

who seemingly are in the same tent, you'll have to bring me back and have a whole other you know, listen to my tirade on why there shouldn't be just two parties. Because there is no possible way that AOC and Hillary Clinton should be in the same political party. But I digress. But having the conversation even in New York about raising taxes on people that are making $600,700 million. Right? And people are like, no, it can't raise taxes.

All the wealthy people will leave. So my first reaction is like, okay, bye. they have the wherewithal to go wherever they need to go to continue to make money and, you know, feed their families and things of that nature. But those of us, right, who are working class barely making it, a lot of people didn't leave because they have no resources and things to leave to go to a different place. So my first reaction is bye. The second thing is a lot of them probably already take advantage of shelling their money around and things like that. so they play less taxes to begin with. And so instead of cutting the programs that are going to be much needed,

particularly in this time where the federal government is cutting all different departments from health care, which is a huge concern for us here in the state of New York, education, even SNAP benefits and all of those things, to then say to the people that are hanging on who need the affordability to begin with, who need the relief to begin with to say, oh, well, we're getting less money, so you're going to have to do more with less. Well, me, motherfuckers over here with like millions of dollars and they're just like, oh, sorry for you. Must be hard.

Be hard, right? I'm going to cover. Like, it doesn't make any sense. And particularly while it's a small percentage and majority of people that are in because I don't want to castigate all wealthy people like this because some, you're a lot of people is just like, yeah, I'll pay more so that I can have a functioning infrastructure in this state. in the city to continue to make the money that I need to make because they have understood that it's not about, you know, putting money in a system that doesn't get back. It's putting money in the system so that we can all benefit, right? I put money and I pay taxes so that I can have the infrastructure of roads. I put money and I put taxes in so that I can have the

infrastructure of public schools. I put money in and I pay my taxes so that I can have health care. And then in the instance where, okay, I have health care and I can afford it, you can take care of other people who may need it, which benefits us all. And so people thinking that if we do something over here, that it literally takes something out of your pocket, again is a story and a narrative that we have been led to believe and it's a lie. It's absolutely a lie. And what you just described is community, is a society. It's how we all live together. But there are people that hear hear what you just described and think it's awful. And then it's just so funny to me how, I mean, this is such a tangent, but, you know,

hearing about how the Trump administration is thinking about bailing out farmers. Oh, you need socialism? Yes. Who's aid is socialism and evil and horrible? And whose aid is, oh, well, that's just American. That's a bailout, right? Like, who decides? We believe in socialism.

We believe in socialism for banks. We believe in socialism for farmers. We believe in socialism for private prisons, right? Like, we believe in socialism when it's making money for other people. You know, the other thing I would say is this nature of this question, if you're talking to people who, although you don't see them much anymore, the people that have the don't tread on me T-shirts, I wonder where they went.

I'm so curious. Just like, did they stop printing them? Is it like Rush Order T's and Customs Inc? Not printing the T-shirts anymore? But they often talk about, like, the federal government being too big. And then this is also where me as a nerd comes in, right? Because I'm like, compare the size of the federal government and the population with the founding of this country to now. Yes, the federal government has to be bigger because we got more motherfucking people.

Like, so there's more people to take care of. Like, that, like, it's just common sense. We have more people. Oh, so we need more money to in order to do it. we actually expanded because of the founding of the country, we didn't have as much physical place that we had in the found of the country. So going all through the territories and building infrastructure and schools and roads and healthcare infrastructure and all that kind of stuff takes more money because we got more people

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Unfortunately, I think people take, and I think this is the nature of politics in general, people use different moments as an opportunity. Oh, we have the opportunity to spread this message a little bit wider, to engage, to organize. And it's done nefariously and it's done from an organizing perspective as well. Just think about how we as organizers use moments, right? you know, there was during the George Floyd eruption, people took the moment to, you know, address legislation that had been pending for some time, you know, movements that, you know, were dying and now you got new people, you know, who are aware and energized and educated, and so you're going to fill them in on that. And so I think what is difficult, though,

what I call the nefarious thing is taking advantage of someone losing. their life. Now, I don't believe, like, I'm personally, you know, because I know that they're seeking the death penalty for this person or whatever. You know, my faith doesn't allow me, you know, my faith tells me that we are not embodied to take anybody's life, right? And so, you know, there are ways we can't be the most advanced creatures in society and still not figure out a way to, quote, punish people, you know, for these things. And to take advantage of this moment when someone lost their life, no matter how vile his rhetoric and everything may be, I don't wish people to die.

You know what I mean? I know in particularly not in the manner in which we are. And so instead of taking that moment, instead of taking that moment to address the pervasive violence and particularly gun violence in our country, right, that we use that as an opportunity for government, because here's what's happening. government is actually limiting speech, which is the very thing that the Constitution says. Me telling you, Bridget, you can't say that, you know, or something like that. Like, that's not what the Constitution says.

It's saying the government cannot abridge your free speech, right? And so the government, federal agencies, federal staff and appointed, you know, agency directors and things of that nature, telling people that you can't, say that, or things of that nature, is the very definition of the federal government limiting the speech. Now, we also say what? You can sing the thing. It doesn't prevent the repercussions that you may experience. So sure, you can call me the N-word might get punched in a face. Like, that's the reconnection you got. Like from that standpoint. You know what I mean? So I think, you know, again, I think the taking of opportunity and not addressing the root cause, right? Because again, people are taking advantage or taking the opportunity to further their old narratives,

rather than using the opportunity to address what is really the culprit, which is the pervasive gun violence in our communities. I want to talk about that because when I saw that Karen was getting fired from the post, I was like, oh, well, black women, we are so often. that sort of canaries in a coal mine. You know, we've seen black women after black woman being targeted and fired by the Trump administration. Black women like Joy Reid and Jamel Hill being fired from media jobs or pushed out.

You know, a black woman is fired or silenced or or censored off the internet and then it's like crickets. And then it's like, okay, no one's going to do anything. Oh, and Jimmy Kimmel is fired and then people got statements and like things or whatever. So let's talk about that. So I've seen a lot of reporting suggesting that Kimmel was taken off the air because of his comments about Kirk. But to me, that's not even totally correct. I will play you the actual thing that he said about Kirk. We hit some new lows over the weekend with the Maga Gang

desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and doing everything they can to score political points from it. So to me, the way that this has been reported is like, oh, he said horrible things about Charlie Kirk. He wasn't being respectful. He's actually talking about exactly what you were talking about. He's talking about a critique about how people are using Charlie Kirk's murder to further their own narrative, to push their own agenda, to exploit, essentially. That's what he's talking about. And according to Rolling Stone, multiple ABC executives felt that Kimmel had not even actually said anything that was over the line, according to two sources, but that the threat of Trump administration retaliation really loomed large. And this is like mobster government ship, right?

Like the FCC chair, Brendan Carr, suggested that ABC's broadcast license would be at risk because of these comments. And just like we talked about it in an earlier episode about CBS, it really seems like this is more about ABC's upcoming merger, which they will need FCC approval to do. So just before ABC's announcement about Jimmy Kimmel, Next Star Media Group said that its stations affiliated with ABC were going to be preempting Kimmel's show for the foreseeable future because of his statements around Kirk and MAGA. So just a little bit of context. is seeking FCC approval for its planned $6.2 billion merger with Tanga. If you've not heard of those companies before, I also had not heard of them before, but they basically are these hugely influential media companies that own hundreds of local TV stations and news outlets across the country,

and they basically decide what is on television for hundreds of millions of Americans. And they're clearly willing to make those decisions based on what Trump wants Americans to watch. And so Trump signaled that targeting ABC and Kimmel, is far from the end. Like Trump said that he wants the federal government to revoke the licenses of any other broadcast television networks that are, quote, against him. And so I think it's exactly what you said

that I don't even think this is about Kirk. I think this is about mobster tactics. I'm talking mobster tactics in the sense that you have FCC Chairman Carr going on a podcast before Kimmel was fired and saying, well, ABC can either remove Kimmel the hard way or the easy way to exert. control and pressure over these companies.

And these companies are more than happy to roll over and bend the knee and kiss the ring to Trump so that it does not mess up their merger plans to sort of consolidate our media system. Well, this is also the reason that we originally pushed forth the movement. And you just gave me an idea to talk about this for a future show on anti-tribes. trust loss because if you have these major, you know, companies that are coming together, they're merging and all that stuff, and they control basically the whole industry, there is very limited competition, there is limited diversity in voices, and it's bad for our economy

and for our society. And, you know, to a lot of these companies, you know, you know, you You know, this person, the president is not even asking them or telling them do stuff. For a lot of people, because we saw this even with the decision that was very narrow on diversity, equity, inclusion at colleges. We begin to see colleges instead of like, well, I don't want to be out of favor with the current administration. I'm going to do this. Right. So for a lot of the things that are happening, it's not as if somebody is asking, directly asking them to doing. They're willingly doing it to be in favor, right?

because they see how sort of the mob sort of comes together and decide, you know, this is the evil entity. This is who is preventing America from being great. Meanwhile, your bread is still, the fruit is still, the groceries are still, you know? Yeah. I mean, this is my, and as an organizer, I am very curious for your thoughts. So it has not stopped with Kimmel. And again, I just want to make it clear, like, I am no bit, like, I'm, I, Jimmy Kimmel will be fine.

This is, like, not about his show. This is not about him. He will be fine. But I think that the fact that we've spent so much time talking about free speech, free speech, free speech. And when we talked about it in the, in the context of, like, social media platforms, as like, well, a private social media platform kicking somebody off is not really a free speech issue because they're not the government. But now we have the government, as you said, not really.

asking or demanding, but making it clear that, oh, we would like this to happen. And great television merger deal you have here. Wouldn't it be a shame if something were to happen to it? You know, those are the tactics. And it, again, I don't think it's about Kirk because now they are going after shows that have nothing, they have nothing remotely even negative to say about Kirk. Not that Kimmel did either, but you know what I mean. Seth Myers on his show did a whole special segment in the wake of Kirk where you talked about how horrible political violence is, like exactly the kind of like respectful, you know, tone that you would expect. And that didn't keep from today saying, oh, I want Seth Myers and Jimmy Fallon taking off the air too, because

he just doesn't like these people. He just doesn't, he doesn't want these shows on the air. And so the idea that this is about Kirk is just, you can see that that's not true. They're talking about taking the view off of the air, you know, a little bit of backstory here. In broadcasting, they have that rule, the equal opportunity rule, where broadcasters who feature a political candidate on their show have to give equal time to their rivals upon request. But certain types of shows are exempt, newscasts, interview programs, certain documentaries, things like that. And late night talk shows are exempt. So just today, FCC chairman Brendan Carr went on a podcast and said, I'm not so sure that the view is a bona fide news program. And I think we should investigate and maybe shut that show down.

So one, we can see that this is not about Charlie Kirk, but exactly what you said. I'm, I'm, I, this might sound Pollyanna-ish, but I think that only, this kind of stuff, I think is only popular with the like most loyal of the loyal mega types. We've already seen people like Bari Weiss and Tucker Carlson kind of say like, hey, these are attacks on free speech. I personally wonder if the Trump administration is sort of overplaying their hand here because most people, that I know are worried about exactly what you said, grocery prices. Everything is like people who say, oh, I voted for the price of eggs, I voted for the price of groceries. Well, your groceries are twice as expensive right now. Are you really worried about what they're saying on the view? Are you really worried about what they're saying on what Jimmy fucking Fallon has to say? Like, I, maybe this is being

too optimistic. I genuinely think this is going to backfire because I don't think that anybody but the most loyal magat types are seeing this and thinking, oh, this is great. This is great. This is what I really care about right now. Well, I share your optimism that I hope so. But here's something that I know I've shared previously. You know, you may have heard people talk about this in terms of population, in terms of people who believe in democracy, believe in a prosperous future. There are more people that believe in that than that believe in the retrenchment to an America of a bygone era.

And if you have that diminishing population, there are two. things you have to do. One, you have to engage with young people in high schools and colleges to build another generation or two that will come behind the people that are already shrinking, i.e., something like a talking points USA, right? The second thing is the base that you do have, you have to keep them riled up and engaged so that they are always doing something engaged, talking, turning out, voting, doing whatever, right? Meanwhile, suppressing an very deliberate way making people feel as your vote is not going to matter. And even if you do vote, I'm going to create barriers like gerrymandering. I'm going to change on a state level,

ID laws and who's eligible to vote, making it difficult. So it's a very structured piece. And so I always argue, at least for my strategy, I don't spend a lot of time, you know, particularly online or in other places, trying to convince people who have always argued, and so I've always argued, um, at least for my strategy, I don't spend a lot of time, you know, already made a decision and who have already told people to kiss they ass. Right. I'm not organizing with you. Right. And so even though I vote Democrat now and all, you know, every four years, the larger party wants to, you know, woo back a certain voter of a certain persuasion. And I'm like, I'm not organizing there. There's a limit. There's a ceiling. Right. Whereas if we go to the places that we're not talking to, that we're not engaging, that we're not keeping up to date and

hearing from them and making sure that they are involved in what's happening. You know, there is no ceiling there because there's a greater population there. And so what I always try to tell organizers is don't spend so much of your time combating what the other side is doing. And I don't mean like not litigating, agitating, and all that stuff. I mean, you, you know, playing whack-a-mole on social media, when you can be talking and engaging in your community, when you can be building generations on college campuses and high schools and things of that nature,

helps build the movement that we need. And right now, I feel like a lot of people, because we're stuck, right, and it's easy because you see all of this incoming and you want to defend, right? And there is a defense strategy. On the show right now, I'm doing what I call this Porch Light series. And just imagine you're leaving the porch light on for democracy and imagining what we want

the next iteration of democracy to be. Because this is falling, right? And so we have the power. Bridget, you have the power to remake what our future democracy will look like. And so I need you while, yes, we're filing lawsuits on free speech, while we're pushing back on gerrymander while we're doing all of that stuff, I also need you to imagine what kind of society we need in the future and then be prepared to build towards that. And so imagine holding the shield. And when you see some of those old movies about the guard that's sent out in the

front and they have those big shields that are, you know, from the ground to the form, they're defending the folks behind them, but they're also pushing forward. Right. And so we need to defend, yes, and particularly defend what's coming behind us so that they have a clear path to strike and to rebuild again. But at the same time, we need to gain ground because it wasn't, we weren't satisfied where we were where we were. You know what I mean? So we need to push and gain greater ground as we're doing that as well. So I try to encourage people in that. And I know it's only a few of us, right? Because everybody wants to be angry and mad and, you know, like this or whatever. And calling people names and, you know, all the kind of stuff.

And there's space for that, right? There is space for that. But at the same time, we have to be ready to strike when we need to rebuild this democracy. And it doesn't stop with just one election of changing who would be in Congress or who will be in the White House next. It's going to take a generation or two to rebuild this democracy into something that actually works. Oof, you really said it. I have a, this is not even, was not even on the agenda that I wanted to ask you about. about, but you have such an encouraging worldview. My producer, Mike, and I got into a long,

kind of dark discussion about this, and I want to see where you stand. I completely agree with you. It's not about anyone election. It's not about who's in the White House. It's so, it's a longer game than that. However, I have this deep, deep, foreboding feeling the way that the administration is moving right now. In my opinion, they are not moving like people who, who expect that they will not be in the White House come four years from now. So I'm not like, I feel like when I say that people are like, they say it's, I understand it sounds paranoid and crazy. I guess I'm, I guess this is what I'm saying.

I understand. But when it comes to like, like, what are you thinking for midterms? What do you, where do you think we will be at? Well, the thing is, is because I don't think of elections as, I know we use the language, the most important election of our lifetime. But I don't think of them as these, you know, oh, we have this one chance here. And then if not, okay, well, we ain't got no, we got to wait for 18 months so we can like make the change again. Right.

Those are certainly markers that we use along the way. But even in me taking helm of the NACP New York State Conference, my plan goes through 2032, the next level of redistricting. Right. And so you're thinking about like how are you charting a path forward. So I would not be surprised if everything that they're doing, getting people comfortable and used to having a militarized presence in cities and in places so that they're also in place for election time. And so that sort of discourages people from turning out or something else nefarious happen. We've had multiple instances in this country where this has happened before. Again, I know people like to tease me about being a nerd, but like there's a reason.

Like we just keep repeating the same things over and over again. So there's stuff for us to learn from that standpoint. But what I think about is as each new opportunity comes, how can I push forward? How do I push democracy forward? How do I ensure? Because for me, my history tells me that every fight in every organizing piece that we have done has pushed this country to be more of the democracy it said it wants to be. And so if you have that legacy as a collective people, as collective organizer, as collective Americans, right? So what is stopping me from saying,

all right, so he's in the White House now? So Congress is now or whatever, right? What ground can we gain after the midterms? All right, what ground are we gaining, you know, when we go to municipal elections again? What ground are we gaining, you know, when we go to state elections again. What ground are we gaining, you know, when the presidential election process comes over again? And so if we think about it that way, rather than thinking about these elections that sort of these one-off opportunities to steer the car in a different direction and think about how can I specifically, you know, just turn the wheel a little bit, you know, further to that direction. Each opportunity we get, we can get to the destination.

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Well, speaking of militarization, I did want to talk about this far, right extremism study. So I don't think anybody listening will be surprised to learn that white supremacist and far-right violence is the biggest source of domestic terrorism in the U.S. It's just an empirical fact. And there is overwhelming evidence for this fact. There's even a study from the Department of Justice that illustrates it in detail and states very clearly that white supremacist and far-right violence is the biggest source of terrorism and domestic violent extremism in the U.S. But this week, the Department of Justice quietly pulled that study from their website. So this was not some like random blog posts.

A study came from the National Institute of Justice, which is part of the DOJ. Its authors are like highly respected academics. Up until at least September 12th, you could find it right on the DOJ's website and then poof, it was gone. Jason Paladino from 404 reported the takedown who picked it up after a grad student

who researches online extremism spotted it missing. So now if you go to that page, there's a bland little message that says, oh, the DOJ is reviewing its websites and materials in accordance with Trump's recent executive orders, I'm sure you'll remember that right after Trump took office, he signed in that order banning government agencies from using words like gender or DEI or diversity. And it was this like very big censorship campaign that tied up every federal agency,

including NASA, in hours of like scrubbing perfectly normal language off of their websites. And so it's not shocking to me that a study like this would be targeted. One of the studies authors told 404 that he was not surprised. But he did point. out that the research is still out there if you want to read it. We will put it on in the show notes. But I do think the timing around us having this sort of national conversation about political violence, I find the timing very curious when Trump is going on TV and talking about how so-called radical leftist rhetoric is responsible for all political violence in this country. You know, you have J.D. Vance saying that he's going to use Kirk's death to crack down on leftist

organizations and, you know, all of that. You have Elon Musk jumping in on X saying that he's going to fix Grock, Twitter's AI assistant, because it cited research showing that right-wing violence is more common. You know, it's this real sort of getting in line behind this reality that the research could not be clearer is reality. And it's also that new because there was previous reports about the rise of white supremacy in the military. in police departments. I remember this because I remember it came out at around the time

when we were at a NetRoutes conference and talking to folks about it because I think it was also around the time when Black Lives Matter that was sort of really hot and, you know, people were engaged and no one was paying attention from that standpoint as well.

It's never really died down. And I think you and I around the same age Do you remember when there was like, you know, the skinheads and the chat rooms and stuff like that? I remember in college, you know, where people were organized and then under, you know, around that in the early 1900s as my daughter was. Did you, this is a side note. Did you ever see that tweet as like, I, like, I told somebody, I was working with a child and I told them I was, I was born in the 1990s and she said, were you a slave? Yes. You know, my daughter does do that to my husband and I, like, we'll tell something about history or whatever.

Like, we were watching a documentary about voting rights and stuff, and they show the march on the bridge. And she was like, Mom, are you there? Not the march across the bridge. It's like black and white pictures of, like, Malcolm X. And also, there's Mom. She was like, will you go to Marches? And I'm just like, oh, it be your own kids. But yeah, so it's never really, you know, died down and people find it. Obviously, we have the proliferation of the internet, which allows people to find each other across the interwebs and sort of continue to, you know, go further down the rabbit hole and find, you know, things that sort of the confirmation bias, I think we talk about, where it's like, I'm going to look for the things. And I have cousins who do the same thing, you know, and they're just only looking for the, you know, and they're just only looking for the,

knowledge and information that further their point. And I'm like, dude, that's not research. You got to take in all of the context and all of the information and then form, you know, an argument. And you can't, obviously, we suffer from a lack of media literacy as well. And we can't just take at face value. I mean, Bridget, you can tell me something that I can listen to your podcast. More often than not, I have my phone. I'm like, she made that up. Let me look at it. So you talk about the report. I'm like, she need to send me. this report. Let me see what she says. Yeah, this is why I love podcasts, because you can always just pause it and like Google it. I don't know you and I don't like you. It's just like, you'd just be saying randomness. Let me read it myself. Why don't you have that curious nature,

right? Like, why do you listen to someone and it's just like, oh, well, they said it on the internet. They said it on the news. And I'll be like, who is they? And what evidence and information? You don't remember doing that as a child, you know, in class where it's just like, you know, tell me the facts before you tell me the, you know, your opinion on the thing. Tell me what happened first. Are there multiple sources who are confirming this? And you can see that as something not only from news and politics and medical and science information. Yay, Dane Dash on the breakfast club.

Talk them out. Oh, my God. Just go like something. Ain't nobody did no due diligence. They just running headlines. That was, I watched that interview. That was, that's a whole other thing. I mean, I have many questions about what's up with him.

I just was left with many, many questions about what, going on with him. But it's indicative of where we are, right? People will just say something. All of the stuff I say now, you may clip it and put it on and people are going to be like, yep, that's true. And I'm like, no, go read it and verify it. And if it's wrong, tell me it's wrong so that I can fix it and sort of provide the greater context and information. Like, that is the type of atmosphere we should be able to live in without a being like, let me tell you the 52 reasons why Eljoy Williams was wrong in this video. It's just like, okay, you're making this argument. argument, you use this fact, you use this thing, whatever. Actually, you know, go read. When I just

say stuff, don't take my word for granted. Look it up. Read. Listen, read a book. I can't read a book. I remember that. Yeah, we're in, I mean, I talk about this all the time, but it's a real media literacy crisis. And I, this is going to sound random, but I genuinely feel you could convince people of anything if you put it, if you make an image on Canva in that bold, black and white text, that shade room text, you could say anything. And people will be like, well, I saw it on an image that had bold black and white text on the internet. They said it on the internet. My teenager comes to, she was like, do you know, she'll come in the kitchen. Do you know that so and so and so? And then my husband and I would be like, who said it? And she was

like, it was on TikTok. And I'm like, okay, but who said it? She was like on TikTok. I'm like, but who on TikTok said it? Like, what is it like trying to get her in the habit of like, thinking and trusting information, did you look it up? Did you verify it or is it just TikTok said? You know? Right. It is, we are in, I mean, it's something I really do worry about like the generation coming, the younger generation. Are they learning media literacy? Are they learning how to be media critical the way that, you know, I was like a burnout in school when I still remember how to do some of this stuff and I worry that that's not being passed down the same way. they are learning to be critical. What they're learning is, oh, this is a right ring rag. Oh, this is a left ring red.

You know, so I can't trust anything that this says because George Soros pays for it. Or I can't trust this because, you know, ABC is part of the Sinclair. You know what I mean? So like it becomes that. And that is the extent of the general membership. If Fox News didn't say it, if, you know, MSNBC didn't say it. I had to take myself off of watching MSNBC on a regular basis because I'm just like, dang, ain't there some other news besides these same eight stories all day?

Like, let me pull myself back. You know, and I went back to reading news. So I read news in the morning and even then listen to NPR through, you know, at two different points of the day. So I, you know, don't miss like breaking news something or whatever like that. But going back to reading and sort of using a different part of my brain. And I do that even as someone who consumes books and articles and magazines on a hyperactive rate. Yeah. So I did have a little bit of good news that I wanted to share in what has otherwise been sort of a dark stretch,

which is Senator Tammy Baldwin and Lisa Murkowski just came together on a bipartisan bill to bring back the suicide prevention services for LGBTQ plus youth that the Trump administration had cut earlier this summer. So a little bit of backstory. in July, the administration pulled the plug on the LGBTQ plus line with the 988 crisis hotline. So that was part of the hotline that connected queer and trans youth in crisis with counselors that were specifically trained on how to understand and talk about their experiences. That loss was really devastating because we know that those youths are already at a much higher rate for things like suicide. And groups like the Trevor Project estimates that early 2 million young people seriously consider suicide every year. So this new bill would reestablish those services and then also make sure that they can't just be stripped away again.

It's being backed by the Trevor Project and the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention. And it's moving to committee right now. And so I think this is very important and I wanted to share it just as like a little bit of good news. You know, when Trump won the election in 2024, calls to the Trevor Project hotline spiked 700%. Which I think really shows how much stress and fear and anxiety you think. are carrying right now and how much they need support. And so it really, it may be a small thing in the scheme of things, but having to be a bipartisan effort to bring this back, I think, is at least something, right, that like we're doing something to sort of support these youth. Yeah. And I think it was

going to take not only legislators, you know, whether they be in Congress on the state and local level, trying to make sure that there's infrastructure in place, but also in communities, right? And we, have a track record of building the institutions and the infrastructure we need during times of crisis. And so, again, I want to empower people, you know, to create the spaces that they need and that are needed in our communities. Absolutely. Okay, before I let you go, I have one weird question for you. Have you ever gone to your fridge and thought, wouldn't it be great if there was an ad playing right now? Wouldn't it be cool if I could see a commercial while I'm at my refrigerator? Have you ever thought this?

No. Well, if you're listening and you're like, that sounds great, I have news for you. That dream is a reality because Samsung announced that they are putting advertisement in smart fridges. The Verge reports that a software update is rolling out to Samsung's family help refrigerators in the United States where they're going to be putting ads in fridges for the first time. The promotions and curated advertisements are coming to Samsung, even though back in April the Verge talked to Samsung and they said they had no plans to do so. Right now it is a pilot program.

And this is so wild to me. The Verge printed the statement that Samsung made about this. They said that these ads are meant to, quote, strengthen the value of owning a Samsung smart fridge. Having there be advertisements that play on your refrigerator is meant to strengthen the value of owning a fridge like that. wild to me. Nah, man.

And as someone who has, like, I have Samsung products in my kitchen, right? Like, you know, it's a brand that, you know, I'm pretty loyal to. And I remember when we bought the house and we're getting, like, our fridge and sort of all that stuff. And we looked at the Samsung series

with the screen. And my husband was like, yeah, when you walk by naked, like, they have a camera facing you. You know, there's some, like geek guy in a data center looking at you. I'm like, naked with the milk in your head. And I was like, all right, never mind.

Yes. Well, this gives me a reason to quote my favorite blue sky post from this week from Kashana. I like my fridge is dumb, young, and full of plums. I loved. I love that. Eljoy, you are such a delight. I have to tell you, I started this conversation feeling, as I said, very down and just not

feeling good about where we were at. And I'm leaving feeling a lot more agency. I know that you are curating these conversations on Sunday civics, really helping people understand our democracy, our government, and maybe making them feel a little more empowered to make change. Where can people follow you? Tell us about the show. Like, how can people be involved in what you've got going on? Well, thank you. And I'm glad that you do feel some greater agency and hope about what we can build together in the future. So you can always go to Sunday, and get the latest episodes. They air Sunday mornings at 9 a.m. So for the faith people, you on your way to church or maybe you on your way back from early service. You can listen.

And you can also download it on podcasts, Apple, Spotify, all of those from that standpoint. And as I mentioned right now, I'm in a series between, you know, I started the first Sunday in September through to December, what I call the Porch Light series where we're leaving the line on democracy. And I'm asking you to imagine what democracy do you want to fight for and that we want in our future and giving you the agency and the tools to believe that we have the possible, we have the power to actually create that. So join us on Sunday mornings in Sunday civics classroom because right now we're outside on a porch. Oh, they're going to leave a light on for you. Eljoy, thank you so much for being here.

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