There Are No Girls on the Internet - Meta RayBans Let Creeps Record Women; Flock’s False Accusation; China's New Influencer Law; Nudify App Ecosystem; Librarian Protests Censorship on GoodReads – NEWS ROUNDUP!

Episode Date: November 1, 2025

Happy Halloween, boys and ghouls! In this week's news roundup Bridget is recapping all the tech news stories you might have missed, so you don't have to. Creeps in Meta Raybans are nonconsensually filming massage women in massage parlors: https://www.404media.co/metas-ray-ban-glasses-users-film-and-harass-massage-parlor-workers/ China implements a new law cracking down on influencers who spread misinformation. https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/china-cracks-down-fake-experts-banned-from-social-media/ Surveillance company Flock used by police to charge a Colorado woman for a crime she didn't commit, forcing her to prove her innocence. https://coloradosun.com/2025/10/28/flock-camera-police-colorado-columbine-valley/ The Institute for Strategic Dialogue publishes a new study shedding light on the ecosystem of non consensual deep fake material online, highlighting the easy available of the software. https://www.isdglobal.org/digital_dispatches/the-ecosystem-of-nonconsensual-intimate-deepfake-tools-online/ A librarian has launched a creative protest against Good Reads, which is owned by Amazon, over the company's censorship and favorable treatment of Eric Trump's new book. https://www.404media.co/rogue-goodreads-librarian-edits-site-to-expose-censorship-in-favor-of-trump-fascism/ If you’re listening on Spotify, you can leave a comment there to let us know what you thought about these stories, or email us at [e-mail] Follow Bridget and TANGOTI on social media!  ||  instagram.com/bridgetmarieindc/ || tiktok.com/@bridgetmarieindc ||  youtube.com/@ThereAreNoGirlsOnTheInternet See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And this is another installment of our weekly news roundup where we dig into all the stories online that you might have missed so you don't have to. Okay, let's get into it. Nobody really looks cool when they eat spaghetti, Mike. Not even Will Smith. I was just looking at this Sora video of Will Smith eating spaghetti. This one was actually pretty good. It was pretty convincing. And I'm just so curious how Will Smith eating spaghetti becomes the benchmark of AI video capabilities.

Have you seen these Will Smith eating spaghetti videos? I have. You know, and you gave me a heads up that we were going to talk about this way. Did look into it a little bit. Yeah, there's just been like a steady improvement in AI generated videos of Will Smith eating spaghetti over the past several years. but I couldn't find any, you know, definitive or even speculative information about why. Ooh, I can answer this for you. So you're right.

We have come a really long way on the Will Smith Spaghetti Eating Index because back in 2003, somebody shared an AI generated video titled Will Smith Eating Spaghetti on the Stable Diffusion subreddit. And they had made this video using Model Scopes text to video tool. This was back in 2023, which I know doesn't sound that long ago. It was just two years ago. But AI video capabilities have come a long way since then. The video looks like, Wolfsmith looks like claymation, kind of.

And the way that he eats the spaghetti is grotesque. He kind of eats it like a dog. Like he comes out and he puts his whole face in it. He's kind of using his hands. That is undignified. It's an undignified way to eat spaghetti, that's for sure. But this. grotesque creepy AF video ended up creating essentially a litmus test for how AI video generation is

progressing. I am so curious how Will Smith feels about this. I would hate it if video of me eating spaghetti had become a benchmark about the progression of AI technology. How would you feel about that? I would not like it. No, it would be a nightmare. But I do have a theory about why it's Smith, I think he has a like poppy appeal and an accessibility that is able to take this pretty arcane topic of AI video generation and make it like accessible to the common man. Like maybe we, you know, if there were numbers or statistics about how good of a video it was, that wouldn't really resonate. but like everybody can connect with Will Smith and spaghetti.

These are two very accessible things. Oh, you are coming dangerously close to making me admit what I know is an unpopular opinion among a lot of people about Will Smith. I have an unpopular Will Smith opinion in there. Oh, you do? What is your unpopular Will Smith opinion? Oh, my gosh. I might have Joey cut this because genuinely I'm nervous to admit this.

know people are going to come from me. So we all know what I'm talking about. The Will Smith infamous slap. People act like Will Smith killed somebody. When you go on the internet and look how people respond, this is one of those things where it was, I only got wind of this recently that white people and black people, there are a lot of things that we have a lot of common ground on, but there are certain things where we just live in completely different worlds and completely different.

sort of online silos. And I only recently found out that white people, not all, but a lot of white people really never forgave Will Smith for smacking Chris Rock at the Oscars. Meanwhile, black people, it never comes up. It's never mentioned we've all moved on. It's very clear where we stand on the issue. And I only recently found this out that, oh, this is, we have very different opinions about Will Smith. And if you don't spend a lot of time in online spaces like Reddit, you might not know that people really, really have not forgiven Will Smith for what went down on the Oscars. I'll just put it that way. Yeah, it's funny you say that because when I was trying to look into the spaghetti thing, I was like, wow, there's a lot of content about him slapping Chris Rock on here. People have never

forgotten it. Yeah. So in conclusion, you're fine with physical violence. You think it's cool. You think it should be glorified on television. Yeah, I'm a big advocate of physical violence. I think we need more of it. The world will be a better place. Yeah. All right. Cool. Yeah.

Obviously, no. Someone's going to clip that and that's going to be, that's going to be. I can never run for office. Somebody's going to clip that out of context. Thanks a lot, Mike. Hey, you said it. So while we're getting into our unpopular opinions, do you have opinions on wearables, like technology that you wear on your face or your head or your

body? Not too much. I've never really been able to make. it work for me. I've always been intrigued. I've, like, you know, sometimes I'll play video games where you've got, like, you know, it's a first person perspective, and you've got all kinds of, like, information on the screen, or when you're driving a car that has, like, a lot of information that might be relevant to you while you're driving, that always seems kind of cool to me to be able to have access to that while just, like, existing in the world. But, uh, you know,

You know, there's a lot of negatives that come with it, too. One of them being that, like, you look like a dork with some, like, wearable glasses on your head. Huge dork. I'm so sad to admit that one of my first way back in the day, one of my first Twitter profile pictures was me wearing Google Glass. Oh, don't even get me started. Yeah, I remember Google Glass. I was in grad school at the time, and I remember scheming with one. one of my friends about how we were going to, like, pitch a research project to Google to be able to get our hands on some Google Glass.

At that point at Google, you might have actually been able to do it. You know, I once demoed some, like, VR goggles. I firmly believe that nobody wants to sit in their house or be around other people with, like, a massive thing strapped on their face. And I once demoed some VR goggles. And it just reminded me of that I think you should leave skit, you know. there's too much shit on my face. I don't even want to be around anymore. That's instantly how I felt. Classic skin. Classics skin. We are Tim Robinson. We are, I swear that Tim Robinson has found a way to describe so many awkward scenarios that I have found myself in. So yeah, we are fans of him over here. I will say,

though, meta's Raybans, as much as I do not like wearables and the idea of wearables and I'm kind of against them just in general. I think they probably have their place and like a use case. If you're a truck driver or a long haul driver or something, I get it. However, I will say meta's Raybans, if you've worn them, they look and feel just like normal glasses, which on the one hand, that's kind of cool. It kind of solves the problem that I just articulated of that feeling of there's too much shit on your face. However, them looking like regular glasses is also a problem. 404 Media has this report out about the fact that there are Instagram accounts, like big Instagram accounts with lots of followers, whose whole thing is using meta-rayban glasses to film themselves going into massage parlors and asking the women who work there to perform sex acts on them. In these videos, the staff do not seem like they know they're being filmed.

and because these glasses, they look like just regular glasses. They probably don't know they're being filmed. In most cases, the staffers are confused when the man is like asking for a sex act, or they laugh at the man or they just dismiss him. But in a few instances, the staffers are like, okay, and negotiate a price for the sex act the man is asking for. These videos have been shared and viewed by millions of people. And what's worse, in some of these videos, it is obvious where the location of these massage parlors are because the men show themselves walking into the entrances of these places. So they show where they're at. So anybody could sensibly find these women.

And this is a problem because as 404 reports, this is extremely dangerous to the women in these videos who can be targeted both by law enforcement and racist, sexist extremists. Back in 2021, they remind, a man shot. A man who shot and killed eight people at massage parlors told police that he had specifically targeted them because he had a sexual addiction. Now, you might be thinking, how can this get any grosser? Well, these videos are basically a money-making enterprise. They're essentially social media advertisements that offer for people to spend money to buy what they say is the full video of the encounter. This is so gross. they linked out to an adult pay-per-view service called NoFans,

which allows users to buy and view non-consensual adult content without creating an account. One video on Instagram that's pitched as a, quote, Latina House Call sends viewers to No Fans to buy the full video. On No Fans, users can buy the, quote, Latina Tuggy bundle for 2849. I should say, though, it's not totally clear if the actual massage, staff is then the people who are in these like quote full videos. It does seem like they're creating these videos non-consensually with massage staff who do not know they're being recorded. And then the, and then saying, oh, if you want to see the full video of what happened,

go to this site. And then the people in that video might not even be the actual staff that we saw earlier. Does that make sense? It does. Yeah. I could definitely see some deception taking place. this ecosystem. Oh yeah,

you think these guys are deceiving people? Yeah, I, just something about it. I don't know. Just, you know, my six cents, I feel like they would not be

above leading with one video and then one as people make that purchase. It's actually different actors on the video, or maybe nothing at all. Maybe they just take their credit card and run with it.

Sky's the limit. It will never not shock me how much people are willing to spend to be told that they're watching video that was non-consensually made because there's plenty of pornography out there where it is consenting adults who know they are being filmed, who have consented to make adult content. Adding on this kind of non-consensual video they made with somebody who works at a massage parlor who doesn't even know they're being filmed, to give it the appearance of,

oh, this woman who didn't know I was filming her, you want to watch the whole encounter with her. it just never ceases to amaze me that that would be something that would give people a marketing edge, I guess I'll say. And I also think these videos, they really expose how meta has essentially created an entire ecosystem that fuels this creepy, misogynistic privacy-violating content online. They're selling these smart glasses that let people secretly record others in public. They are also running platforms like Instagram that reward. the most like shocking and extreme and outrageous posts. And then they only step in to take this stuff down after journalists from 404 start asking questions

because there is an entire marketplace for low cost. And by low cost, I mean like $40. Low cost ways to obscure what little privacy protective features meta glasses do you have, right? So right now, metaglasses have a light on them that is supposed to light up to indicate when somebody is recording. So, essentially, if I saw you wearing meta glasses and the light was on, I would know this person is recording. But you can just buy little things to obscure that so that no one knows your recording.

No one knows their meta glasses. When 404 spoke to meta about this, they basically said, hey, you know, it's up to the people who buy the glasses to adhere to the terms of service. We don't really control that. Boy, that's such a good point that meta is both. making and selling the hardware and making money on that, and then also make, ostensibly making money on the content, this like illicit content that is created from the hardware that they sold. They're really, what do you call that?

Like vertically integrated, I guess. I mean, that's a fancy way to put it. Where I'm from, they're running a criminal enterprise. I mean, this is my opinion. At what point is meta? We are making money from a criminal. enterprise knowingly. I mean, that's, I would love to have somebody smarter than me explain how it's not that.

Yeah. And it has to be said that a lot of the women who work at these kinds of massage parlors are migrant women or immigrant women or women who are engaged in sex work, right? And so they're already marginalized. Sometimes they're very vulnerable. 404 spoke to Angela Liu, the executive director of Swan Vancouver, which is an organization that promotes rights and safety of migrant and immigrant women engaged in sex work.

Wu said, quote, earlier this year, Swan Vancouver became aware of disturbing social media videos showing individuals wearing Rayban meta glasses to enter massage parlors across North America and record interactions with workers. Many of these workers are immigrant and newcomer women who may or may not engage in sex work, but experience stigma nonetheless. The shameless use of covert recording technology at massage parlors to gain likes, attention, and online notoriety is both disgusting and dangerous, yes. Due to criminalization and stigma, sex workers face disproportionate levels of violence and harassment.

Violations of privacy can leap to arrest, immigration consequences, and lasting harm. Swan's community made extensive efforts to report these videos and were deeply disappointed that social media platforms allow them to remain online. They say that they've also created a system to warn the women who work at these places, saying to warn immigrant. and migrant women we support, Swan used our abuser alert system to notify workers about the use of ray-band meta-glasses and videos circulating online. We also received reports of community members about clients entering massage parlors, wearing the glasses, and recording the women without their knowledge.

I am really grateful that organizations like Swan exist that can use technology to help support these women from the kind of surveillance that this kind of technology represents. But I do think, Like, this is not just about a handful of creeps with smart glasses. I think it really is about what happens when companies like Meta and Facebook build tools that make exploitation easy, that make it easy to turn that into a money-making enterprise, to make money from somebody non-consensually being sexualized in this way. And then to have the company just shrug when people use them exactly that way. Meta has essentially built an ecosystem where privacy violations are profitable and that the only form of real accountability that might ever even enter the equation only happens after a journalist asks about it, after some sort of public outrage. Yeah, not cool and not surprising.

You know, they've got a whole ecosystem built around disrespecting privacy and... just letting harms run wild up until the point where they start to get push back on it, and then maybe they'll do something. Maybe. Maybe. Although not for nothing. I did once see a very satisfying video where a guy in meta glasses, which are recording, and I believe that he uploaded the footage, and it's one of those things where did you upload this thinking that it made you look cool

because it's really the opposite, where a guy is trying to get into a strip club, and the woman at the door, she knows the drill exactly. She's like, oh, if you want to come in here, you'll get to take those glasses off. And he keeps being like, oh, they're not, they're just regular glasses. And she absolutely knows that they're not.

He keeps trying to like get them in, get them in. It was a very satisfying walk. Just watching this creep think that he can outsmart this woman because she is associated with the strip club and being denied. And eventually being kicked out of the establishment. Very satisfying. watch. Yeah, I bet it was. And also funny that his his tactic was just to like lie when it sounds

like she clearly knew that like they were the mediglasses. He's like, no, they're not. Let me tell you something. Nobody knows the drill around technology. Like anybody who is even tangentially involved in sex work. If you're a stripper or a sex worker, you like you have to know the drill. Some smug tech bro is not going to outsmart a woman who works the door at a strip club when it comes to technology. There's just no way. No, yeah, a woman working the door at a strip club. Don't cross her. Yeah, you're not, there's no else smarting her.

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and also just illustrates how screwed up our entire tech-enabled surveillance landscape is. This time, not regarding metaglasses, it's regarding flock, which is a company that operates a vast network of AI-powered video cameras, license plate readers, and microphones for surveillance. If Flock, that company, if they sound familiar to you, it's probably because we talked about them before regarding a situation in Texas where police used Flock to track down a woman who they said it had an abortion.

The police said, hey, we used Flock licensed plate readers to find this woman after her abortion because her family was worried about her. That's the only reason we were trying to find her. They were worried about her safety after this abortion. They were worried that she was in some sort of physical danger. And so they had tracked her using flock license plate reader technology. However, 404 media, again, shout out to them, they followed up and found that the police,

even though they said they were just looking for her because her family was worried about her, police had actually been looking to charge her with a crime for having had an abortion. So it wasn't just that her family was worried about her and looking for her. It was that they wanted to charge her with a crime. So flock is everywhere. It is in cities all over the country.

A lot of towns and cities have contracts with flock. Balmar, which is a small suburb northwest of Littleton, Colorado, is one of several Colorado towns that has a contract with flock. So this woman, Christina in Denver, she got a visit from the police who came to her door with a summons for her accusing her of stealing a package worth less than $25 from somebody's doorstep in this neighboring town of Beaumar. Their proof, they said they had footage from a flock surveillance camera showing her car, which was a green Vivian, driving through the town of Beaumar from 11.52 a.m. to 12.09 p.m. on the day of the theft.

So she says that police were super weird with her about it. They told her, quote, you know, we have cameras in that town. You can't get a breath of fresh air in or out of that place without us knowing. Just as an example, we know that you've driven there about 20 times in the last month, which is a pretty weird thing. If a cop came to my house and was saying that to me, I'd be pretty freaked out. Yeah, I wouldn't care for that at all, that the police are just like aware of everything I've been doing for the past months. Wouldn't like it. I also would not like it.

The police also told her that they had seen really. a camera footage that showed her taking this package from the porch. She was like, that's not me. That did not happen. I did not do that. The police told her, I guess this is a shock to you, but I'm telling you, this is a lock. 100% no doubt. So she was like, I know that I did not do this.

She asked the police to see this ring camera footage that they said was 100% her. They had her debt to rights taking this package. And they refused to show her this footage. So Christiana drives a Rivian, and I guess Rivians have a camera in the dash, which captured footage, again, proving that she had not driven to where this crime had happened. When she told police, like, hey, I actually have a camera in my car, I can show you that I drove to this town and didn't make any, you know, stops at anybody's house to steal a package. They were like, it doesn't matter. They gave her the summons. Christina says that she works in finance, so understandably was not thrilled. about having her name associated with a theft?

I bet not. Makes sense, yeah. Probably is not really helpful in that field. So Christiana said, I'm going to fight surveillance with surveillance. So she and her husband essentially compiled a master file with any kind of information about her whereabouts from her phone, right?

She had snapshots from her Google timeline, a tool on her phone that can track each stop that she makes, statements from people that she interacted with that day, the works. She took a picture of the outfit that she wore, which was a light pink top and black pants and an olive green fleece, with a note that she took off her sweater because it's harder to get warm outside. That ring camera footage that the police said showed her definitively stealing that package, while somehow she was able to track down that footage using Nextdoor.

And that footage does show a person coming up to a porch and taking a package of running away, but it doesn't show them getting into a car that looks anything like hers. And so basically she had actually gone to this town where the theft happened, but she had legitimate business there with a tailor that was more than a quarter mile from the house where this package was stolen. So she collected all this surveillance footage, footage of her entering the tailor's office and then leaving the tailor's office. She got footage of her driving her car from the Rivian that shows

that she basically drove from her house to this tailor and back without any additional stops, she compiled all of this evidence at her own expense and effort and sent it to the police. Eventually, the chief of police responded and congratulated her on her detective work and announced that the police were going to be dismissing the charges against her. In the email, they wrote, after reviewing the evidence you provided, parentheses, nicely done, BT-dubs. we have voided the summons we issued. So it's great that they dropped this bogus charge against her,

but she was like, did the police just use flock to see that I happened to drive to the same town where somebody happened to have had a package stolen and decided that because I was in that town, that I did it? It does raise questions like that police officer who came to her house who said, 100%, it's a lock. clearly it wasn't. It's like, what made him think that? Was it really just that that

Flock said that she was in the town? So curious, and I guess we'll probably never know. Well, the Colorado Sun asked the police about this. They were like, basically what happened here? The Chief of Police told the Colorado Sun that Block uses cameras to identify

stolen vehicles, stolen license plates, any wanted subjects that enter town or follow-up investigations. Quote, we can't see people inside the car we follow up investigations. If we have a crime, we'll go back and look at the cameras and see who is in town at the time of the crime. So it does kind of just sound like this is a tool that police are relying on

to be like, oh, who was in town when this crime happened? And it just doesn't sound like more surveillance in this instance is actually leading to crimes being solved. I think if anything, it is leading police to say, oh, this person was here was probably them. This is something that we see pretty often that people really have like an outsized level of confidence in results that they get from a computer,

like this belief that if a software system says something, that it has to be true. And I wonder if that's what's going on here, that they just have way too much faith and confidence in flock to be tracking every single person who's coming and going into that town to the detriment of, like, reasonable skepticism that, like, maybe there's more to the story than the one person whose car was driving through their little town.

Yes, and I would take that further and say that I think it is with intention. I think that when power systems, when the state uses computer systems and technology systems like block, it absolves them of having to do. do any investigative work or the accountability of being wrong because you can just say, oh, well, it was the computer. Like, we were just looking at the AI. The AI is never wrong. The AI told us that you were responsible.

And we were just following up on that. And so they don't have to have any accountability. I mean, Christiana says she never received any kind of explanation from anybody at the police department or even an apology. And it just, I know I've said this before, but it reminds me of that IBM page from like the 70s, a computer can never be. be held accountable, therefore a computer must never make a management decision. I think that the police are, with intention, outsourcing this kind of police work to

technology and surveillance tools like luck, precisely because it means that they do not have to be held accountable as the human police when they fuck up as bad as this. Yeah, I think you're absolutely right. It's a way, it's like a backdoor way to reduce their own accountability. The weird thing about it is, though, that it's not like that accountability then gets transferred to the software company and just kind of evaporates into the air.

And there is no accountability. She didn't even get an apology. I mean, we'll put the piece in the show notes, obviously, but she describes sleepless nights and wondering if her finance job was going to be coming to an end because of this accusation, this completely unfounded accusation.

And they did not even give her an apology. Let me tell you something. I would need an apology to move on from this. If this had happened to me, that would be the very least of the things I would need. I would need a clear apology from somebody. Yeah, I would be pretty mad. And it also sounds like she really had to do the work

to, like, prove herself innocent here. And that's not how it's supposed to work. Absolutely. You know, she said that she basically had to exonerate. herself. And my question is, what would have happened if Cristiano was not the kind of person who was able to spend so much time and her own expense compiling so much proof to illustrate that she was innocent? Like, I'm happy that she beat these charges, but she only did that throughout surveilling the surveillance. And I think if we're at the point where you need a tailor's receipt and your own

cars dash cam footage and all of this, just to prove that you didn't steal a package worth less than $25, Maybe this level of surveillance is not actually keeping anybody safer or deterring crime. Maybe this is not actually the future that we want. And meanwhile, there's still somebody out there stealing packages. The real package is still out there, people. Okay, so speaking of accountability, we were talking before we got on the mic about this new law in China regulating influencers. So there's this new law where if influencers or contact creators want to make content online about specific regulated topics, they will need to provide some kind of education or training in those areas.

So this new law requires social media influencers to hold verified qualifications before discussing medicine, law, education, or finance, and it's aimed at curbing misinformation. How will this be regulated? Well, it'll be up to platforms like the Chinese version of TikTok, which is Doyin or Weibo, and Beliebly, to verify content creators' credentials before for allowing that content to be posted. Content creators, if they want to talk about these specific regulated topics, they will need credentials like degrees, certifications, or professional license in those topics. It's actually a pretty wide-ranging set of new laws.

The Cyberspace Administration of China, which is the Chinese government agency responsible for regulating and overseeing the country's internet, online content, and data security has also implemented some new regulations on social media advertising and promotions. Under these new laws, any campaign for medical products, supplements, and health foods will now be prohibited unless it is clearly defined as such to prevent misleading content disguised as educational material. So basically you can't just say, oh, this is just educational information and actually it is a campaign for a medical supplement that I want you to buy. Influencers will also have to disclose sources for studies or note when content is AI generated under the, this new legislation. How are you feeling about this?

You and I had a meaty conversation about it off, Mike. I don't know how into it you want to get, but how are we feeling? Conflicted, very conflicted. You know, it's obviously scary to be like regulating speech, but also what we're doing in this country is like not working at all right now. like the internet is just filled with medical misinformation,

which I, you know, know, know a little bit of something about enough to be like, yeah, this is a really bad day of hers. I can only imagine, like, what were the other areas, legal education and finance information. I can only imagine that there's, it's equally bad in those domains as well. So there's, and it's not just that there's,

some bad information out there, but like our platform, social media platforms are designed to amplify and spread and replicate that misinformation. So like, it's very bad. And I'm open to ideas about like trying to rein that in in some way. And so there's something appealing about some laws to rate it in. And I kind of think that, like, in this country, we do need some laws to rein that in. But it's also pretty scary because if you think about the administration in charge right now,

what would it look like for them to have the final say in what kind of medical information is allowed to be shared and not? Right. Like, they're spewing misinformation from the White House from the head of HHS. So, uh, so I don't know. What do you think about it? You really said it. I mean, on the one hand, I want to be clear that I'm skeptical about this because it feels like censorship to me. And also, part of, it's a real love-hate thing that I have with social media is that the democratization of media where having a platform or having a voice is not gate kept, like it is in traditional media.

That is something that I love. It is what has driven me to being a podcaster. But it also, I kind of hate it because. that means anybody can just get a microphone and a ringlight and just say whatever they want. And yeah, so I want to be clear that I'm skeptical of this. But like you, obviously, the system that we have, the United States is not working. What's funny to me is, so RFK Jr., the head of HHS, he has a law degree. He doesn't have any kind of medical degree.

Would he not be able to make content or, you know, commentary about health advice or medical advice if this law were in the United States because he only has a law degree and not any kind of medical expertise? I mean, we know how much

these guys care about laws. You wouldn't stop him. If it were a sane society, he would not be making comments about health stuff. And even if he was, if we were a sane society, people wouldn't be listening to him.

We wouldn't be amplifying him. As D.C. residents, the day that he swam in Rock Creek, nobody would, if you live in the Mid-Atlantic, you know this homie just took a swim in poop. Yeah, he just took a swim in poop. And he had his kids out there doing it. I love Rock Creek. I go hiking along it like multiple times every single week. I would not swim in it. Like, when it rains, it smells like poop because a lot of the sewers just like wash right in there. That's just like how it is with combined sewers in an old urban city like this.

Like, uh, it's, it's not a good place for people to swim. I'm not even sure it's safe for dogs to swim in. No, it's not because they drink it. And, you know, the annoying thing is that he,

when he, he did that after he like took his little splash around in Rock Creek and, uh, ostensibly he said he was fine. We don't know what was going on in the bathrooms at home. but like he says he was fine and holds that up as like evidence that it's an okay thing for him to do

but it's not just about him. This is like one of the most frustrating things about him is that he is like the leader of health and human services. Like people look to him as a role model even though they shouldn't. But like he has a responsibility to act in a way that keeps people in general safe, whether or not he himself got lucky rolling the dice, that's not the point of public health.

Yes, I remember him saying, oh, well, nobody should take health advice or medical advice for me. On the one hand, fucking duh. On the other hand, what are you doing leading HHS? Yeah, like I'm sorry to tell you, people are going to be taking cues from you. Yeah. So the reason that I wanted to talk about this new law in China is not to advocate for it because I am skeptical of it. But I just did have a moment where I thought, boy, what would it look like if we had something like this in the United States? Setting aside the point

that you made, which is a good one, which is why I'm a little bit iffy around a lot of legislation around cracking down on this kind of thing legislatively, because under a hostile administration like this one, I would not want this administration being the ones, you know. In charge of anything. You get it. Yeah, you get what I'm trying to say. Yeah. However, putting that aside, I still can't help but speculate, like, speculate, like, what would our internet landscape look like if you needed a degree to talk about these things? And they are things that, I mean, listen, I have been trying to get my finances together lately,

and the amount of bad financial advice that is out there from people who just don't know what they're talking about, financial advice generally, good advice is, like, pretty standard and humdrum and boring, you know, stuff like don't spend more than you have. But there are so many people out there who are peddling the worst financial advice you've ever heard in your life. And come to find out a lot of these people don't even have any kind of credentials to be giving the public financial advice. And so if we had this kind of law in the United States, I mean, you would have no more finance bros saying things like stop buying avocado toast and then you can afford a house when they, A, have no financial credentials to be telling anybody how to run their finances.

And B, are being like bankrolled by their parents. No more wellness coaches selling $400 moon water or any kind of like weird supplements. I just think that if this kind of law came to the United States, think about all of the loud, big voices that would just vanish overnight. Yeah, if you couldn't just say lies for profit, uh-uh.

It's hard not to be a little attracted to that. That's what I'm saying. Like, again, I'm not saying that I, I am skeptical of this law, but it is hard not to see this and be like, wow, we really have a problem in the United States and anybody can just build a massive platform saying anything and it's fine. Yeah. And in this country, it seems like our political leaders and certainly the leaders of social media platforms have like embraced the chaos. They're like, this is what makes America. as strong is the ability to just like scream harmful lies and, uh, drought out anyone who's trying to say something reasonable.

Our president was out here doing crypto scams and nobody said boo. Like we, this is a scam economy. That's all there is to it. It's so true. So many scams. Like every day he does a dozen things that for any other administration would be an enormous scandal. And they just like vanish into.

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So I wanted to briefly talk about this new research from the Institute for Serfugeic Dialogue or ISD, who, full disclosure, I used to do a bunch of partnership work with. They just put out a fascinating new study that really sheds some light into how the ecosystem of non-consensual deep-bake material works online. Basically, tools to make and distribute this kind of material are all over social media.

ISD analyzed web traffic to 31 websites that provide deep fake tools and found that those sites got a combined 21 million visits a month with the most popular sites getting over 3 million visits in one month. As of May, ISD's analysis found 31 active deep fake tools that were easily discoverable on X, 4chan, and common search engines. These tools can create realistic, explicit deepfakes from a single photo, and we already know, what that means. People who are targeted with this kind of thing, there's a potential for social exclusion, job discrimination, and debilitating emotional stress for the victims targeted, especially people in public positions. I've often said this. This is not just about, you know,

naughty pictures. It's horrifying. But in my book, it is definitely a democracy issue, right? If the people who are targeted for this kind of thing are overwhelmingly women, those women, especially, especially women in public positions or elected officials and things like that, it is going to keep women who are targeted from running for those positions and taking a more public role in civic participation. And it's going to keep us all from the representative democracy that we deserve. So it's not just an issue of gross, creepy pictures, which it is. It is a democracy issue that we should all be concerned about.

Yes. And I think that's a really good point to make. after the segment that we just talked about about regulating speech about health online as a democracy issue because it's democracy is complicated and it doesn't just mean anybody can say anything they want as like the be all end all virtue of what it means to be a democracy.

Like you just said, the ability of women to run for office and just like show up online and exist and to be able to do that in a way where they aren't being harassed and subject to like nudify apps and things, that's also a democracy issue, right? I think there's a lot to balance there and it's, I think online, like so many things,

the conversation gets immediately taken to the extreme of like really fetishizing one aspect of democracy and leaving out that aspect that you mentioned of like, in some cases there does, you know, every single person can't act with complete freedom all the time if that means that it's going to restrict the ability of a whole class of people to participate in society.

Exactly. Very well put. So you might think that these Nudify apps are hard to find, that they're like on the dark web or something. But according to this research, it is very simple to find tools like Nudify apps online. According to the authors, searches on Google, Yahoo, and Bing for terms like Nudify, Undress app, or Deep Nude, usually returned at least one of these tools within the first 20 results. Last year, For4 Media also noticed that Google was showing apps. ads for some of these apps. Thing in particular made these tools

especially easy to find with the top results for all three of these searches being nudified tools. These findings focused on organic search results, not paid ads. The researchers also found that X was a major platform for spreading these tools. Does this shock you, Mike?

It does not. No. I mean, what would surprise me is if GROC itself refused to just do this for somebody, that would be surprising. Ask Grock. You can, if you could just put a picture of anybody and ask Grock, like, undress this person,

and they'll put them in a bikini. So out of almost half a million mentions between June 2020 and July 2025, more than 70%, nearly 290,000 of the results of these things were on X. Much of this activity appeared to come from bots, identified by repetitive usernames, identical post styles, and similar profile pictures. So even though a lot of this seemed to be automated, the volume of it is still pretty concerning because it is likely drawing new users to tools that can be used illegally in certain situations. This is absolutely horrifying.

According to this research in early 2023, there was a notable surge in mentions of these tools on Tumblr after a woman shared her experience of being sexually harassed using nudify and deep fake tools. As many victims of malicious deepfakes have repeatedly pointed out, speaking about this kind of personal harassment, or even calling out the harassment of others just comes with a risk of attracting further attention and thus attracting additional abuse. And I guess that's what really infuriates me and simultaneously breaks my heart about this is that whenever I research an incident, like an incident in a school involving minor boys using these tools to make and distribute images of the minor girls in their class, something I see again and again as the boys saying some iteration or something along the lines of, well, this can't be illegal or this can't be wrong because it's so easy to find

online. If this was illegal, I wouldn't be able to just Google or use a mainstream social media platform to find this thing so easily, kind of assuming just because it's so easily available, it's probably legal and fine to be using. And I can see why they would think that, because in some ways they are absolutely correct, right? That fact that platforms like X allow this stuff is essentially a kind of implicit endorsement. But I think it just shows how much we have failed our youth because when this kind of harm is so easy to find online after a while, they're right. It does kind of look like permission. Yeah, that's a really good point.

When it's that available, it looks like. permission, you know, it is like an implicit, either an implicit wink and a nod or even just an explicit thumbs up to go ahead and use it. You know, the availability of something harmful like this, I guess I'm like really stuck on this, like, balancing different competing aspects of democracy thing, but like, there are things that these platforms could rein this in, right? like they could deprioritize these results, make these tools harder for people to find.

And so it wouldn't be bad, like passing a law to ban them. But these platforms, if they really cared, could take steps to limit the availability, which would have huge hard reduction benefits. And yet they don't. You know,

just because something is legal doesn't mean that it should be just pushed to every kid who types a search term for it into whatever platform they're using, probably X. Well, it goes back to my question, and I mean this in a meaningful way. This is above my pay grade. I am not smart enough to be the definitive voice on this. But at what point is this platform materially benefiting from an illegal enterprise? If it is illegal to use some of these Nutify apps

and these apps are easily findable on platforms and in some cases advertised on these platforms, at what point is it, oh, you are making money from an illegal enterprise that is disproportionately harming girls, children. That's right. And another thing that they mentioned in that study was that there were a lot of ads

being taken out on these platforms using the names of these particular tools. What was interesting was that it sounded like in a lot of cases, the Nudify tools themselves were not buying ads, but when the tools got taken down through some sort of action or for whatever reason, and so the tool no longer existed,

but people were still searching for it. Other companies would pay, would be on those search terms when they would buy their ads on, you know, meta or X or wherever. And so there's a great example just money flowing directly to these platforms

to keep these tools in the zeitgeist, in circulation. Yeah, you raise a great point. Like, shouldn't they have some accountability for making money off of these tools that, in a lot of cases, can be, like, very harmful? I mean, Christiana had the cop show up to her doorstep for supposedly stealing a package

that they said was worth less than $25. At what point are they? the cops going to show up at Elon Musk's doorstep from this. Damn, that is another good question, Bridget. We better move on to the next segment before we start going out a full-on revolution. You know who I want on my side of that revolution? Will Smith. Well, you're going to get Bob Ferguson.

He just needs to charge his phone. Yeah, he just needs to charge his phone. Got to make a call. Do you want to say what our Halloween costume? are going to be. Oh, yeah, happily. I am, I am Bob Ferguson from the movie, one battle after another, Leo's character. It's, I put together what I think is a pretty good costume. And I've just been like wearing it around every time I've gone out for the past week. A few people get it and they really like it. Yeah, a few people. What's funny is that I know you

so well. You are Bob Ferguson for Halloween and you are also kind of Bob Ferguson in real life. Like, I'll let the listeners speculate on what I mean by that, but you have a lot in common with him. And when I saw the movie, I thought, this is Mike. You are very similar to Bob Furr. I don't mean this as an insult. I'm sure you know that. No, I take it well. To be clear, there are also several key differences. But I, yeah, It fits. The costume fits. The funny thing about it, though, is, like, if people don't recognize it from the movie, you know, it got, like, a big, oversized flannel robe and, like, a hat and those, like, big, dark sunglasses that people can wear over their regular glasses.

If people don't recognize the costume, I just look like a bum. Which again, no offense, but, like, that's... I don't know how to finish the sentence without sounding offensive, but you know what I'm getting out of here. I think I do. I mean, generally in my life, people aren't mistaking me for a bum all that often. I guess it comes up. How about you? What are you going to be for Halloween? Blade. Blade from the movie Blade, the titular, titular blade from the movie Blade, which you and I rewatched recently, holds up very well, I thought. Yeah. It moves along. It's action-packed. barely speaks, but when he does, he's got some good lines. He kind of talks like this.

I've been working on my Blade voice. He has a very low voice. But he doesn't really say a lot, but it's a lot of cool one-liners delivered like this. Yeah, the cool one-liners, that's what I want in an action hero. Blade, Spider-Man, who else? A lot of them have good one-liners like that. want long soliloquies. You just want

a quick little one-liner and then maybe some perching. I'm worried that people are just going to think I'm goth. They're not going to know that I'm Blade from the movie Blade. They're going to just think I'm, is this an old goth, an old black goth?

Well, I think the Katata will probably help them figure it out. An old black goth martial arts enthusiast just hanging out on Halloween. Okay, wait. So I have one, more thing. It's actually kind of a cool story, I think. Can I, can I give, can I give me one more thing? Yeah, please. I mean, it's been, uh, just one bad story after another. So if you've got something

good, let's hear it. Good one, good one. And it involves Good Reads. So that was a good segue. So I love this story so much. Shout out to 404 again for another banger. So this rogue librarian on Goodreads is editing book titles to protest Goodreads censorship. According to 404, one of the site's volunteer moderators, which Goodreads calls librarians, swapped the blurbs and pictures and titles of a handful of books, books like Reese Witherspoon's thriller Gone Before Goodbye, which I did not even know Reese Witherspoon, the actress is now writing thrillers. Love a Thriller, need to check that out. And the Nicholas Sparks bestseller remain. they are swapping out all of the information and blurbs of those books with the pictures and blurbs from Eric Trump's book under siege, adding the subtitle, quote, Goodreads censorship in favor of Trump. So I did not even know that Eric Trump had written a book.

I don't even need to look it up. Guarantee that thing was ghostwritten, for sure. Basically, they are altering all of these books and swapping in Eric Trump's book, explaining that good. reads is removing criticism of Eric Trump's book from the site saying, quote, silencing criticism of political figures, especially those associated with authoritarian movements, helps normalize and strengthen those movements. When we let powerful people's books be protected from criticism, we give up the right to hold power accountable. These changes were up on good reads for a few hours before being corrected. So that librarian is absolutely correct. That is absolutely correct. That is,

the story in as far as I can tell, every democracy that has slidden into authoritarianism, that's how it happens. Just like people dialing back criticism of the people in power, self-censoring, and just letting them get away with it. So good on this librarian. Absolutely. So this librarian, this rogue librarian,

who was protested in Goodreads, which is owned by Amazon, says that Goodreads is censoring negative reviews of Eric Trump's book. They said that Goodreads deleted negative reviews of Undersege as they came in after its publication on October 14th. These were honest opinions from real readers who disagreed with the book's content, a librarian said in their post. When people noticed and complained,

Goodreads deleted all reviews of the book, positive and negative alike. This wasn't an accident or a one-time glitch. It was a deline. deliberate pattern. So 404 reached out to Goodreads to ask if the platform was disallowing these reviews. And it does sound like Goodreads was trying to prevent review bombing of Eric Trump's book. In response to the questions about the reviews for the book, a spokesperson from Goodreads told 404 media that Goodreads has systems in place to detect unusual activity on book pages and may

temporarily limit rating and reviews that don't adhere to our review and community guidelines. In all cases, we enforce clear standards and remove content and or accounts that violate these guidelines. So we did an episode about this, but review bombing is a legit problem on Goodreads, but this is also the nature of the complaint, according to this rogue librarian. They said, when a platform removes criticism of a political book while leaving praise or removes everything to hide that that criticism ever existed, they're not staying neutral. They're picking aside. Goodreads is owned by Amazon, one of the world's large. or just companies. When major platforms decide which opinions can exist and which must disappear,

they shape what people think is true or acceptable. Honestly, I love everything about this story. Hate everything about Eric Trump. It sounds like people did not like his book. It sounds like they read his book and legitimately took issue with it, and so they were expressing that. And I love that. I also just love that it took a rogue Goodreads librarian volunteer to pull this off.

like not a whistleblower, not a hacker, just a super annoyed, pissed off, fed up volunteer. It really reminds me of that Margaret Mead quote. Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has. In this case, never doubt that an annoyed, bookish volunteer can also change the world. Yeah, and not just any volunteer, a librarian. Yes. Shout out to the librarians.

Sometimes it really does feel like they are the only thing standing between us and a complete descent into a fascist nightmare hellscape. Absolutely. They are the keepers of knowledge during a time when knowledge is being questioned. Reality is being questioned. We live in different realities. Maybe librarians will be the ones to help us make sense of it. and save us. So Bridget, today is Halloween.

How are you going to be celebrating in your Blade costume? Oh, I give out candy every year, even though I live in a building and a neighborhood where people might not associate giving out candy. It is truly one of the things I love the most. I love the kids in costumes. I love being in costume. Oh, I'll be giving out candy.

If you see Blade come say hello, unless you're a vampire, in which case, watch out. Ooh, scary words for the vampires. Well, Mike, where can folks keep in touch with us on this Subuki season and beyond? People can leave us a comment on Spotify. They can send us an email at hello at tangoity.com. We love getting listener emails.

People have been sending in some really interesting, like thought-provoking, interesting ones lately. So thank you for that. Please keep it up and we're going to do that mailbag episode real soon. So please keep the emails coming. People can check out Bridget's socials. Her username is Bridget Marie in D.C.

On both Instagram and TikTok and we have a YouTube channel that we just posted something today. The name of the channel is there are no girls on the internet. It's very easy to remember. Well, Mike, thank you so much for being here. Happy Halloween. And thanks to all of you for listening. I hope you have a spooky and safe Halloween.

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