There Are No Girls on the Internet - Musk and Trump's Big Breakup: America's Sweethearts Calling it Quits

Episode Date: June 6, 2025

When Musk started working with Trump last year, we all knew it was only a matter of time before they had a big, messy, public split-up. We waited and we waited. Dear listener, the day has arrived. Today, June 5th, 2025, Donald Trump and Elon Musk have spent the day tearing each other apart on social media. It has been personal and it has been viscius, with all the drama of a big celebrity break-up or a Real Housewives reunion. So at the last minute, we decided to skip our regularly-scheduled News Roundup, and instead do an emergency episode about this extraordinary turn of events. Bridget and Producer Mike recap how the Musk-Trump bromance got started, how it unravelled so spectacularly over the past couple days, and what this fight between billionaires really means for the future of Democracy in America. It’s been grim times for folks on the left, and I think we’ve all earned the right to kick back and enjoy the drama as these two dangerous narcissists try to destroy each other. MUST READ: Ronan Farrow’s 2023 piece about Elon Musk’s singular power over the U.S. government: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/08/28/elon-musks-shadow-rule As a young ghoul in college, Stephen Miller was morally offended by the idea of giving a janitor a birthday present: https://www.newsweek.com/stephen-miller-trump-white-house-aide-essays-op-eds-duke-774534 Video of college-age Stephen Miller, his undead flesh blistering in the purifying rays of the Carolina sun, declaring: “I’m sick and tired of being told to pick up my trash when we have janitors.” https://www.instagram.com/reel/DIUi1j0sbXo/?hl=en   Email us to say hi! Please, we’re lonely! [e-mail]   Follow Bridget and TANGOTI! IG: instagram.com/bridgetmarieindc/ TikTok: tiktok.com/@bridgetmarieindc Youtube: youtube.com/@ThereAreNoGirlsOnTheInternetSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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When most of us saw that Elon Musk was working with Donald Trump, I think we were all thinking it's only a matter of time until these two split. And when it happens, it is going to be messy. We waited and we waited. And it seems the day has come. So today is Thursday, June 5th, 2025. It's about 10 o'clock p.m. Eastern time. And Donald Trump and Elon Musk have spent most of today,

tearing each other apart on their respective social media platforms. Elon posting on X, of course, and Trump on truth social. So setting aside that these two billionaires are ridiculously posting at each other, sniping on platforms that they both privately own, it has truly been like one of those days. To be perfectly transparent, we had started working on our typical news roundup, we had, you know, written out all the stories, all of that. then my producer Mike and I were talking and we're both like are you seeing this this is wild we decided to scrap our regular news around up and just talk about this so I'm joined by my producer Mike we sort of watch this go down in conversation you and I yeah uh hi Bridget it was uh it has been quite a day and it was like one thing after another with these guys like I kind of spent the first part of the day working on some other stuff so I was pretty head

down and not really paying attention to social media. And then somebody messaged me. It was like, hey, are you seeing this? And I was like, oh, my God. Oh, my God. Wow, he said that. Yeah, I will say, I mean, I, most folks know I kind of gave up on Twitter, even though I do still have a platform.

And I actually dust it off my old Twitter account just to see what was happening on that side of the digital woods. And I will say, I don't think that we have had a day. like that on social media in a long time. But those days where everybody's getting it on the jokes, everybody is talking about it. That was that in the older iteration of Twitter, there was no better time to be plugged into black Twitter than these days where something was happening. And nobody was getting any work done. Everybody was on Twitter refreshing, refreshing, refreshing, making jokes. The only, the two days that come to mind were, I think most recently when the queen died,

That was a day that I remember a lot of people had a lot to say. And then this one is like, if you really are an OG, the N-word Navy. That's a pretty good day on social media for me. But we haven't had a day like this in a while. And it's very funny to me that when we do get a day like this for the first time on X, because it's a terrible platform, it is about Elon Musk. I find that to be so interesting. Yeah, that's a good observation.

because I also signed into X for the first time in what has to have been months. I don't know. I don't go there at all. I wonder how many other people signed in. And also, somewhat ironically, what I signed in, the first thing I did was search for Elon Musk because I wanted to see what he had been tweeting. And it's funny because the last time I was there, the platform was aggressively trying to get me to follow him. It was recommending accounts that you might want to follow.

It was like Elon Musk, Steve Bannon. And I was like, no, obviously I have no interest in following these. But the thing that brought me back was wanting to see what Elon had to say about his erstwhile buddy Trump. So let's get into it. I have to give a really big caveat before we do, though. It goes without saying that we're talking about the reported behavior of two liars. I almost didn't want to make this episode because everybody knows that you cannot. take the behavior of two messy stunt queens at face value, especially during a bad breakup.

Like, that is just understanding the world 101, right? Especially when they're doing these big, dramatic things that I think, especially Elon, are meant to get people talking. You know, I almost get kind of paranoid where I'm thinking, oh my God, they want us to be talking about this drama. Trump is a classic reality television show guy. That's where he got his start. So this is classic real housewives on Bravo villain behavior. I would say Trump is really giving us Kenya more right now, if you know, you know, where it's like, I'm going to do something very big and over the top, and everybody is going to be talking about it.

Is Trump the Kenya here or is Elon? Don't even get me started because I will go all day. Okay. But I'll just add this and we can move on. This is going to be like that interview where the filmmaker David Lynch is being interviewed saying that Eraserhead is his most spirit. film and the interviewer says, oh, elaborate on that. And David Lynch just goes, no, Donald Trump is the White House's Kenya Moore. I will not be elaborating. No questions. Okay, there we have it.

So I almost, like I said, I almost didn't want to get into this. However, and this is going to sound like it sounds, but I truly have so little in my life right now that I deserve it. I just, I deserve to have a little key key about this breakup. Honestly, I felt the same way. It's, it's been rough. And, yeah, these guys are liars. I share your concern that this is all some sort of elaborate con that they're pulling on us. Because they're con men. Because they're con men. Yeah, that's what they do.

They've both become enormously wealthy through conning. So, but I don't know. I'm with you. It's just, it's too good. It was really fun putting this together, working on this script with you, you know? Wasn't it? It's just nice to hate on two people who are pretty contemptible at the end of the day. Yeah, you were telling me about that Russian expression.

Yes. A friend told me about this Russian saying that describes the situation where you have two equally unsympathetic forces who are engaged in some kind of rivalry or, you know, contest that you hope damages both of them because they're both so unsympathetic and content. You can say, and my Russian is awful, Yebala Jabba Gaduku, which means the toad fucked the viper. Wait, so if Trump is the Kenyamore of this situation, which one is the toad and which one is the viper? Actually, don't answer that. I can see your gears turning.

You would be like, actually, I thought about this, and here's why, here's my very analytical breakdown as to why Elon Musk is the toad, in this situation and not the viper? I think they both think they're the toad. Oh, good call. Just two toads fucking each other. So let's take a little bit of a flashback back to rosier times between these two. If this was a lifetime movie, there would be like a flowery song playing right now while

we reminisce on better days. So in July 2022, Trump claimed that Elon Musk was, quote, desperate to meet with him and said that Musk had come to the White House during Trump's first term asking for assistance with subsidized projects. And Trump was really gloating about how much Elon Musk essentially humiliated himself at the feet of Donald Trump. He even bragged that if Musk had been asked to beg on his hands and knees, he would have done it. So on July 13th, 2024, you might remember during a campaign rally in Butler, Pennsylvania, Trump was allegedly shot at. That is what pushed Musk to formally endorse him. He said, I fully endorse President Trump and hope for his rapid recovery.

In the weeks that followed, Musk became a top Trump donor. The Post reported that he spent 288 million on Trump and other Republicans ahead of the November election. Musk also went on the campaign trail for him, rallying for him, and being the very public face of the campaign in battleground states like Pennsylvania that Trump would go on to win. There is a very memorable image of this event where Elon is on the stage next to Trump and he's doing this leap in the air and his shirt's coming up and you can see his stomach and his legs are kind of bent behind him. And I guess I just feel like when a man has you leaping into the air with glee, you got it. You are down bad.

Like you got it bad. I would believe it. I am trying to think back to the last time I leapt with glee. It's been a while. I don't think that a man has nor ever could have me out here being photographed, naval out, leaping with glee. I just don't see it. I just don't see it. So I will say, I mean, like, I think Elon was experiencing a passion that I have yet to be experienced.

Right. Like, that image of him, he is like jubilation. I think so. I mean, I do wonder if he was experiencing, like, true joy for the first. first time, or if he was just like doing a Nathan Fielder style performance of what he thought Joy is supposed to look like? Or if he was just, hi, Adam is mine, Adam is Gorge. I mean, I've been there. Okay, so I want you to have that image in your head. And you know on E true Hollywood story where the happy picture suddenly turns black and white because the good times are over

and then the music gets into a minor key. Do you know what I'm talking about? Yeah, totally. They were friends. Dunn until they weren't. So that is what I want you to be thinking when we pivot to this next part. Like Elon frozen in midair, mid-leap as the scene fades to black and there is like a minor key piano note, very gloomy playing. Because May 30th, 2025 rolls around, and Musk resigns on his role at Doge after 114 days, citing a need to focus on his failing businesses. His position within the White House was sort of always meant to come to an end after a while because special government employees are a class of temporary workers that Musk was, and they could only typically work 130 days in a calendar year, though that time could be split up.

So it is possible that Musk could have worked another couple of weeks if Trump had wanted him to. also, like, who knows because neither of them really care much about following the law. But that's what the law says, it's 130 days. So the White House first publicly acknowledged Musk's role on February 3rd. So he's probably winding down the clock on that 130 days. So him leaving around this time in and of itself is not particularly juicy. At this point, Musk also starts saying that he is done with politics, saying that, I think I've done enough.

Just last week on May 28th, he said that he was stepping back from politics. politics saying, I think in terms of political spending, I'm going to do a lot less in the future. I think I've done enough. The White House held this very weird farewell event. I watched part of it. It was sort of just weird and somber. Trump said that Musk is not really leaving because he's always going to be my advisor and we're always going to be friends. Oh my God. So the event itself was pretty tame, but there was tons of drama behind the scenes. Like, for instance, Elon Musk showed up to this farewell event with a black eye. By the way, I initially was referring to this as a Shiner, but I was on a call with a bunch of

Gen Z folks, and I was like, oh, yeah, did you see he had a Shiner? And everybody was like, what's a Shiner? And I was surprised to learn that Shiner is sort of old-timey slang for a black eye. Yeah, you brought this up to me, and I've been thinking about it. You grew up in a household where boxing was like a pretty important sport, right? Like your dad was a boxer, your brother boxed, you boxed. So you all were probably getting black eyes all the time. Yeah, giving a Shiner and getting a Shiner were not unusual things in my household.

And it was like a common topic of conversation that was not unusual. So yeah, a black eye is so cumbersome and you got to just like shorten it to Shiner, you know? Yeah, I guess for most of us that was. wasn't a real issue. You know, I don't want to like prompt any critical reevaluations of your childhood. But, uh, yeah, for, for most of us didn't come up that often. Well, so Musk said that his Shiner was given to him by his four year old son. Some people watching had some questions like, how does a four year old toddler give a grown man a Shiner? Uh, or is this liar perhaps lying about how he got this black eye? So one explanation comes from Steve.

Bannon, who I should note is a longtime enemy of Elon Musk's, and again, himself is a liar and a criminal. So Steve Bannon was a chief strategist during Trump's first term in office. He told the daily mail that Musk's turbulent time in the White House took a dramatic turn when he allegedly shoved 62-year-old Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent during a heated exchange. Now, according to Bannon, again, known liar, so I don't know. That's going to be a theme is that everybody who comes up in this is a liar, so you just don't know what's going on. They're like, well, they lie. He lied. They're all liars. I don't know what's going on. So Bannon said that Besson confronted Musk over his sweeping, but yet unfulfilled promises

to deliver $1 trillion in budget cuts. Scott Besson called him out and said, you promised us a trillion dollars in cuts. And now you're at like $100 billion. Nobody can find any savings. What are you doing? Bannon recounted. And that's when Elon got physical. It's a sore subject with him, Bannon said. It wasn't an argument. It was a physical confrontation. Elon basically shoved him. So one thing I do want to interject here to this story is that according to Steve Bannon here, Scott Besson, the Treasury Secretary is mad at Elon Musk because Elon Musk didn't find enough fraud and waste and cuts. But like Scott Besson is the treasurer. secretary, right? Like, shouldn't that be his deal? Like, his job? Shouldn't he know more about

the budget and, like, the treasury than Elon Musk? Not that I'm trying to defend Musk here or anything, but like, I don't even want to say the story doesn't make sense because in Trump world, maybe this is how it works, but like, it sounds stupid. It sounds stupid and something about it doesn't sound right to me. And also the fact that it's Steve Bannon, long time Elon Musk enemy, running to the Daily Mail to be like, oh, he shoved him. I agree with you, something doesn't sound, something in the buttermilks not clean on this one. I don't know exactly what happened, but I agree it doesn't sound quite right to me. Also, if you want to get really messy, like what the realty is, according to rumors, this is not me saying this. This has been reported in places like

the gray lady, the New York Times, Stephen Miller and his wife, Katie, are allegedly, again, I am not saying this is what I have read from reporting in some kind of a thruple with Elon Musk, question mark. Obviously, I'm not there. I could not say whether this is true or not. I have not seen any evidence myself. However, Katie Miller is leaving the White House to go work for Musk personally. Apparently, her job is something to do with communications for Musk. Percy and and she might be helping to arrange interviews for him. I know if I were married to Stephen Miller, I'd also be looking to hitch my wagon to somebody who could get me off the planet.

And sidebar, I hate to give Elon Musk any credit here. Like, me and him have beef forever. However, I have to give him credit on this one. Stephen Miller to Elon Musk, I hate to say it, is an upgrade, right? It's amazing how,

every character in this story just gets worse and worse. Stephen Miller is, I do believe he is of the undead. I don't think he is of the living. I think he feeds on the misery of the living. That is what sustains him. I once saw somebody on Twitter say, he looks like he drinks the milk right from the utter. Do you know what a like piece of,

piece of shit you have to be to have your wife leave you for Elon Musk and have everybody agree like, well, kind of an upgrade. Like you, you like really, there is nothing lower. Yeah. I, I look forward to some point in the future, assuming any of us are still alive and like writing books to like the retrospective documentary about Stephen Miller just to understand like what is going on with him. because he just seemed to like hate everyone. You know, back in college, he was writing op-eds about how the other students shouldn't be nice to the janitorial staff because that's what they're paid for to clean up after us. Like that was his whole thing. Like, he has been a hateful son of a bitch his whole life. Even when he was youthful, go back and look up pictures of him in college. In college, I feel like most people in college, even horrible people, you're like, oh, I can see he's like bright eye, full of life.

he has a lot going for him, yada, yada, yada. Stephen Miller somehow looks worse back then. He somehow looks more hate-filled than he does now, just in a different way, like a permanent sneer as like a college student and undergrad. I'm not kidding. Like, look up a picture of him if you've not seen it. I would say that we would post it in the show notes, but we're not going to do that

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a nomination that Trump had been glowingly talking about back in December and was already approved by the Senate subcommittee. Sidebar, it's totally fine. have Elon Musk hiring and promoting people to run NASA, you know, the government organization that he has so many contracts with. That's totally fine. Nothing to see there. Let's just move on. So Trump pulling this nomination at the 11th hour was a shock to all parties. And it seems like it was a pretty transparent retaliatory move against Elon Musk. Trump confirmed today that this was a point of contention with Musk as part of today's big tea spilling. Now, of course, because it's Trump, he could be lying. It is hard to

know with these two because they both constantly lie and grandstand about everything, but this is some good drama. I don't care. I'm talking about it. Okay, so fast forward to June 1st. Elon starts his first public attack against Trump's big, beautiful budget bill. But don't get too excited. He is against this bill because even though this bill deeply guts the public safety net, it does not gut the public safety net enough for Elon Musk's liking. And also, Elon Musk does not personally benefit enough from this bill. So he doesn't like it. Musk calls the bill, which is horrible for all the reasons that we've talked about on the podcast. He calls it a disgusting abomination due to its massive spending and cuts to electric vehicle initiatives. He tweeted, I'm sorry, but I can't stand it anymore.

This massive, outrageous, pork-filled congressional spending bill is a disgusting abomination. Shame on those who voted for it. You know you did wrong. You know it. Also, these tweets are like a little much. I mean, he's tweeting like somebody out of a Shakespeare play. One of the wildest things to see from this was a lot of Democrats were low-key praising Elon Musk for this take, which was interesting. Representative Roe Kana from California who represent Silicon Valley. And it's known Musk. They're really friendly. they've been friends for a decade, said that Democrats should be in a dialogue with Musk, given their shared opposition to this bill. He said, we should ultimately be trying to convince him that the Democratic Party has more of the values he agrees with, a commitment to science

funding, a commitment to clean technology, a commitment to seeing international students like him. I will say, like, not to give him a pass, but he represents Silicon Valley, he's friendly with Musk. I feel like he would, like he would say this. This is not surprising. to me. Yeah, I definitely do not give him a pass for this. I can't believe these efforts to like immediately try to woo Musk as like a democratic ally or something. Like all those things that Rokaneh listed there, there were like areas of policy agreement, not values agreement. You know, democratic values are things like Nazis are bad, which is something that Musk clearly disagrees with. He supports science funding when it's going directly into his own pocket.

He's committed to clean technology when it means massive subsidies for Tesla. Meanwhile, he's installed dozens of small and efficient gas generators in a Tennessee neighborhood to power his data center there. And his commitment to international students is making sure they keep working 80 hours a week at his company. on the cheap because they'll lose their visas and have to go home if they don't. So maybe there are some policy areas where Representative Kana might be able to work with Musk, and if so, that's fine. That's how politics works. But I really resent the effort to sell the public and Democratic Party members,

Democratic voters on the idea that Mr. Nazi salute himself is suddenly aligned with the values of the Democratic Party, like have some self-respect. Yeah, dog shit take from Representative Kana here, I have to say. Like, you really sum it up well. Okay, so what is your take on Representative Richie Torres from New York? He says, I'm a believer in redemption, and Musk is telling the truth about the legislation. But he added, Musk has done an enormous amount of damage and that there are Democrats who would see his decimation of the federal workforce and the federal government as an unforgivable sin. Richie Torres, Elon Musk is not telling the truth about this bill.

What he is saying is the bill's draconian cuts to social spending do not go far enough. He wants to cut more. So no, Richie Torres, Elon Musk is not telling the truth. Like, have some nuance. It's like a debasement of the idea of truth. You know, like him saying this bill is bad, that's not. enough to count as truth, right? Like, the truth is that this bill aims to kick millions of people off Medicaid and other

forms of assistance. It aims to decimate research in a ton of areas that matter to all of us. It's trying to decimate climate funding, also that they can cut taxes for the rich, keep subsidizing the fossil fuel industry. So, no, he's not telling the truth about this legislation. He's opposing it for reasons. that are entirely self-serving. Yeah, someone saying that something that you don't like is bad for the worst reasons

does it does not mean that they're right. Like, just because he doesn't like it and you don't like it for completely different reasons does not mean that you are in agreement. Like, they're just, I cannot, sometimes I can't, I mean, I will talk all day. Sometimes I cannot believe that these are the people that have been elected to represent us. So up until this point, Trump had been publicly, but vaguely, praising Musk's time at the White House, even as all this drama swirled behind the scenes. Vaguely is the only way Trump talks about anything.

Oh, have you seen any of how he would talk about Elon and Musk before this afternoon? He would say things like, oh, you know, he's been great. He's just, we just think so he's so good. And, you know, it's, I mean, it's up there with beautiful gowns, beautiful gowns. Like, so vague. I don't know if you get that reference. When the late Aretha Franklin, God rest her soul, was asked about all these different female artists

if they were good singers, it would be like, oh, what do you think of Lady Gaga? She'd be a beautiful singer, great range, great vocals. What do you think of Mariah Carey, beautiful singer, real songstress, real songstress, Taylor Swift, great gowns, beautiful gowns, really, her gowns are great. Like the way that he would just be like, oh, Elon Musk has done a great job.

We like him. He is great. Never mentioning a single specific thing. That's how you kind of knew even before this afternoon that something was up because Donald Trump is like a verbose person often. And so when he really has something to say about something, he like really says it. Do you remember back in the early days of COVID when the COVID test was awful and it was that like really long swab that went deep into your brain?

clearly Donald Trump hated that COVID test because whenever he was asked about COVID testing, he'd be like, the current iteration is not too nice. Like he would really talk about it in specifics. So when he has something to say, he really is quite like descriptive about it. And so when asked about Elon Musk, where he was like, oh, great guy, great guy, nothing to add. You really knew he was holding back and something was up. So that brings us to today when the S hits the F during a meeting on June 5th, 2025, the day that we're recording this. So during a meeting in the Oval Office with newly elected German Chancellor Frederick Mayers, Trump had started to express some subdued disappointment in Musk's criticism.

Now, according to various news articles, Trump was genuinely shocked that Musk would attack his big, beautiful bill while the German Chancellor just sort of did the, kind of Homer Simpson retreating into the green grass bush. It's like, oh, I'm going to stay out of this and probably thinking like, what the heck is going on? I'm here in the White House and like Trump is crashing out over Elon Musk. What's going on? So Trump suggested that Musk's objections were self-serving and that the only reason that he didn't like the bill was because it eliminated subsidies for electric cars, a move that would directly hurt Musk's company Tesla.

Trump said that Musk knew all along with these subsidies would be eliminated even before the text of the bill was public. In like Dwight Shrewd style, Musk hits back. False. This bill was never shown to me even once and was passed in the dead of night so fast that almost no one in Congress could even read it. I will say this about that, which is that one of the stories I was going to talk about in the news roundup this week was how Marjorie Taylor Green was saying that she voted for this bill not knowing about the, provision in the bill where states could not enforce laws around AI for 10 years. And she was saying, you know, I didn't read the bill. I missed that part. I'm a big states rights person. So I would never have voted for this if I had known that was in there. And I remember thinking like, girl, you didn't read the bill? Like what, that's kind of your, like the main part of your job. Then I watched a longer interview that she did on News Nation, where she essentially says the same thing

that Musk is saying here. Again, both liars, so who the fuck knows, but she said that they gave her the full text of the bill so close to the vote and at night that she didn't have time to read it. Again, she is also a liar, so I'm not taking her at her word, but just some context there that I was sort of ready to drag her for not having read this bill and that both Musk and Green are saying they gave it to us so close to the vote that we didn't have time to read it. So who knows? Yeah. So, but we can break down a little bit of which of these lying liars is lying about this particular thing. So, like, we do know that, like, it's true that the final text of the bill wasn't available until, like, hours before they were forced to vote on it. So, so Marjorie Taylor Green is not lying about that. However, she should still be dragged because it's just inexcusable to, vote to make something a law when you don't even know what you're voting for.

I mean, I guess that's a kind of bootlicking subservience to authority that the Republican House is like into these days. But like, yeah, I believe that she didn't know the text of the bill. And I guess I would believe that, you know, Elon didn't get a chance to read the bill before. it was passed either. However, it also is not any surprise to anyone that electric vehicle subsidies were eliminated. I mean, Trump said that over and over again on the campaign trail. And it was also just like patently obvious to anyone who was even remotely paying attention that the Republican Congress was going to cut anything and everything related to green energy or trying to deal with climate change. So of course that was going to be cut. So for Musk to act all shocked about

it, I think he's lying. Well, one quick thing about Marjorie Taylor Green is that in that news nation interview, I do like that she says, don't I get some credit for admitting I didn't read it. I just thought that was really funny. Like, okay. So, but with the electric vehicle subsidies, Trump, when he was hitting back on truth social, he basically was like, Elon knew that I was removing those,

the provisions that forced people to buy garbage electric vehicles that nobody wants. So it's not just like, Elon, we're removing this provision, it's your cars are garbage and nobody wants them and you know this. Like, it's so high school. Like, this just reminds me of a lot of the drama that I had when I was growing up of there's a way to say this where it's just, here's the facts. You knew this. You were aware of this.

As you said, that's not what Trump said. Trump said your cars are garbage and don't nobody want them and you know this. And that's why you're upset. But also he has been saying that same shit for 10 years. Maybe Elon was like dissociating to be like, oh, this is my buddy. When he says that he hates electric cars and he's going to end the subsidies, what he means is some other thing. Babe, have you ever been in a relationship before?

Elon can fix him. He's like, I can fix him. I mean, I've been this girl in a relationship of like, He doesn't mean this stuff that he says constantly and does. This is a surprise to me to find this out. And I am hurt, even though he's been saying the same thing for many years, very clearly in both his words and behavior. You know, that just makes, that just reminds me of a friend of mine who described this whole thing that went down today as the messiest breakup to happen in Pride Month. Yet, it's still early.

Okay, so this afternoon, Trump was asked about Elon, and you can kind of tell something's up. He says, oh, well, he hasn't said anything bad about me personally yet, but I'm sure that we'll be next. I'm very disappointed in Elon. I've helped him a lot. Trump kind of suggested that maybe Elon was having a big reaction because he was missing all the glamour of working in the White House. Glamour is the actual word that he uses. He says, some people who leave my White House administration miss it so badly, the glamour of working with me, they actually become hot. hostile. Musk responds on social media accusing Trump of being ungrateful and says that the only reason why Trump was elected in the first place was because of him. He tweeted, without me,

Trump would have lost the election. Dems would control the House and the Republicans would be 51 to 49 in the Senate. Such ingratitude. So my understanding is that this was really the thing that that set Trump over the edge. We know that Trump cares a lot about being considered popular. He's obsessed with things like crowd size. Ever since it's failed the election bid in 2020, he's been screaming about this not-existent fraud and how the election was rigged against him because he simply cannot accept the idea that he lost fair and swear. So I think in making this claim, Musk is basically saying that Trump would have been a loser without his help. And I'm sure it stung. Like this is my understanding is that this is the kind of thing that hits Trump where it

hurts. Like we're going to get into it. But later, Musk essentially accused. accuses him of being a sex offender, and he's like, I don't give a fuck about that. Just don't say that I'm a loser who would not have won the election without you. Also, this is how we know that we've all sort of been waiting for this moment, because the New York Times sent out multiple breaking news alerts about it. It was like, breaking news, trouble in paradise, couple on the skids. Like, it was really like, that's how I know it's like, we've all been waiting for this moment. The New York Times is like, we are going to capitalize on this.

everybody, we've all been waiting for this. Trouble in paradise. America's sweethearts calling it quits. So Trump hit back, resubonning on truth's social, threatening to terminate Elon's governmental subsidies and contracts. We will come back to this bit about canceling Musk's federal contracts later on the episode. But for now,

let's just clock this and understand this as a big FU to Elon and keep going with this play by play because this is too good to stop. Okay. So Musk then further escalates his. viewed by alleging without evidence that Trump's name appears in the unreleased Jeffrey Epstein files implying a cover-up. As we remember, Jeffrey Epstein was a wealthy financier and donor who died by suicide after being exposed to being a ringleader of a sex trafficking and child sex abuse ring. So Musk tweeted, time to drop the really big bomb. Donald Trump is in the

Epstein files. That's the real reason they have not been made public. Have a nice day, DJT. So I will say we did sort of know some of this already. Flight records have shown that Trump flew six or seven times on Epstein's plane between 1993 and 1997. But what Musk is saying is that Trump is all over the not public logs of what happened with Epstein, which reminded me, do you remember back in February when the White House did this terrible stunt, where they invited all of these conspiracy theorists and like influencers to the White House and they did this whole photo op where they gave each of them this massive binder that said Epstein files like stamped on the front of it and it was this big photo op but then later when they got home they opened the

binders and there was like no new information about Epstein in these binders it was just stuff that was already public. I do remember that and I think you know for for people like us that was just like a weird thing that happened with some like shitty nutbags who got invited to the White House. But I think for a lot of people who voted for Trump, or at least a large number of very vocal people who voted for him, that was like a major thing of his appeal. During his campaign, he was talking about how he was going to release the Epstein files and like making all these Q&on winks and nods that those Epstein files were going to come out and all the Democrats were going to be in there and he was going to drain the swamp, blah, blah, blah.

And he just, like, ditched those people so fast. I would almost be, like, some of those influencers were angry about that stunt when they got home and poured over these binders and was like, oh, this is nothing. So yeah, promises made, promises, I don't know, vaguely referenced to in a stunt. never referenced again. I don't know. Yeah, I bet they were angry. And they probably still are, but we don't know about it because once Trump stopped amplifying the voices of these QAnon people, they just kind of disappeared because they were

no longer of use to him. But yeah, the connections between Trump and Epstein are, there are like fact-based evidence for the story. connections. Later in the afternoon today, Musk retweeted a video of Trump dancing at a party in 1992 that was hosted by Jeffrey Epstein. The video is a clip from MSNBC and it not only shows Trump dancing, having a good time, but it also shows him huddling with Epstein, whispering a joke into his ear, or whispering something in his ear. I assume it was a joke, because Epstein then doubles over in laughter. And like, so these two, these two buddies are just having a good old time in 1992.

Yuck. Yeah. In the ongoing effort to figure out which of these lying liars is lying about what, seems like there's a lot of evidence to think that Elon's claim here, maybe there's something to it that, you know, we know that Trump and Epstein were, they at least attended a party together and had a nice time together. Yeah, I just don't think that Elon Musk saying, I was willing to overlook what I knew about you potentially being a child sex criminal

because the business arrangement that we had together was working out for me. I don't think that's the flex he thinks it is. And not for nothing, Elon Musk has also been accused of sexual misconduct and sexual abuse. So they're all liars, they're all creeps. They all have allegations like, When I saw this, truly, I was like, it's not this, but this is what I was thinking. Like, you were on Epstein's Island.

I saw you there. It's like, oh, what were you doing there? Like, that's the vibe I kind of got. Yeah, maybe they were there together. Who knows these guys? More after a quick break. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite.

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the debt ceiling and condemns any Republicans for voting for it. This is kind of ironic because today Trump is saying the exact opposite and demanding that Republicans do raise the debt ceiling, which is very convenient. So Musk is resurfacing these posts that Trump once made and said, where is the men who wrote these words? Was he replaced by a body double? Again, I feel like where is the man who wrote these words? That is a text that I have written during a breakup.

Like, you said you loved me. It's so dramatic. It is like, yeah, it's like Shakespearean. Where is the man who wrote these words? Wentzforth has he gone? I know. This is some, like, Mary Jebelage, like, if you, have you ever listened to the Waiting to its Hail soundtrack?

This is some, like, I was your lover and your secretary working every day of the week. Like, just some jilted lover. just some good jilted lover words. So Musk then endorses the idea of Trump being impeached and replaced by Vice President J.D. Vance, which makes complete sense to me because Vance was sort of always the tech billionaire in guy plant. Trump then hits back on truth social writing, Elon was wearing sin. I asked him to leave. I took away his EV mandate that forced everybody to buy electric cars that nobody wanted that he knew for months I was going to do, and he just went crazy. Again, I'm taken back to being like, she knew I was going to beach week with my friends

and that I didn't have my phone charger with me. I don't know why she's acting crazy and telling all of her friends that she didn't know after the fact when I know that she did because I texted her. Like, it's really a lot. So I will say the idea that Elon was sort of wearing out his welcome in the White House, there has been a ton of reporting to support this. Did you read that kind of bombshell New York Times piece on Musk's drug use while in the administration? I did. And it was like so perfectly timed with his exit from the White House.

It was like the, I think it was the day after he left the White House and both just like, I don't know, it was just such a hit piece. I also believe a lot of it is probably true. And so again, just so messy. Like it seems like deliberate smear a campaign, but using true facts. Yeah, and I will say the authors of that New York Times piece have been writing about Musk's drug use for a while. But I think that maybe people are giving more information about it

from within the White House because it's like, oh God, we can't stand this guy. There was also lots of pieces about how cabinet members were reportedly getting really tired of Musk, especially his attempts to be funny and his deep-seated belief that he is smarter than everybody else. A senior official told a reporter, I have been in the same room with Elon and he always tries to be funny, and he's not funny, like at all. He makes these jokes and little aside and smiles and then almost looks hurt if you don't lap up his humor. I keep using the word annoying. A lot of people who have to deal with him do, but the word doesn't do the situation justice. Elon just thinks he's smarter than everyone else in the room and acts like it.

Even when it's clear, he doesn't know what he's talking about. The official then described Musk as the most irritating person they have ever dealt with, saying, talking to the guy is sometimes like listening to really rusty nails on a chalkboard. He is the most irritating person I've ever had to deal with, and that is saying something. Yeah, like the people giving these quotes are political operatives in the Trump White House. Like, I bet they deal with some highly irritating people. The piece ends with this line. Musk has nod at the patience of an array.

of high-ranking administration officials to the point that, according to this official and two others, Trump lieutenants have walked out of meetings and earnestly asked one another if they thought Musk was high. So Steve Bannon actually told a New York Times reporter that he advised Trump to investigate Musk's drug use in the White House and also maybe deport him.

There has been no love loss between these two since the beginning of the administration. Bannon has been a frequent critic of Musk accusing him of self-feeling, failing to failing to find all of this so-called fraud he made big promises about. And also, according to Bannon, being an illegal immigrant. Bannon's really nativist ideology has always been this like, noxious foundation of Trump's most hardcore supporters, while Musk appealed to a totally different set of like racist shithead. So you really kind of have these two coming to a head. Now that thought

line in the mega universe between Musk and Bannon and their particular strains of like toxic, racist ideology has cleaved all the way through and the grand broilition has been sundered. So let's talk about the big picture and what this all means, especially given Trump's threat to cancel all of Elon's company's federal contracts. So Eric Berger of Ars Technica really shed some light onto what this would actually mean. He wrote on Twitter, this would both end the International Space Station and simultaneously provide no way to safely deorbit it. Musk then retweeted this saying, go ahead, make my day. And this really gets at the heart of why I think this is an important thing for us to talk

about, not just all the over-the-top emotional late night crash-out tweets, but this, I think, is really the heart of it. And that is the fact that Elon Musk, a private person who is messy, chaotic, when they're doing profiles of him, they like to use the word mercurial, which I think is maybe just like polite white guy way to say like, oh, this person uses a lot of drugs and like does things when he's under the influence of them. But we have allowed this one chaotic person to take over so much of our public infrastructure to the point that we find ourselves in this situation where in this crash out with Trump, he could personally end the International Space Station and

leave it with no way for us to get it back from space. So it is not a lot of. just SpaceX, Starlink, for one, is widely used by the military and the militaries of our allies. Remember that Ukraine was deeply reliant on Starlink run by Elon Musk during the first few months of Russian's invasion. And Musk even briefly turned off their access to Starlink over a payment dispute which caused deaths and tactical losses on the battlefield. He's also involved in things like energy research, defense research, space, telecommunications. AI, transportation infrastructure. This is not really like my personal area of expertise. So I'm not going to exhaustively list all of the many deep ways in which Musk's companies are like deeply entangled with the federal government. But trust me when I say they are deeply entangled with the

federal government. So when we talk about Musk's role in government, the biggest issue is that the government, not just Trump, like this was happening under Biden too, the government has allowed this one chaotic, messy, private person to essentially, in my opinion, become more powerful than the government itself because Musk's companies provide too much essential infrastructure that really should be coming from the government, not from him, and not from any private individual or person. Governments are really at his mercy. There was this really, really well done, Roden Farrow, long read in the New Yorker a couple years ago about this that we'll link to in the show notes, but he really lays out the scope of this, the scale of this,

and what is at stake from the moods of this one mercurial person who has a documented history of unpredictable chaotic behavior? It describes the many ways that Musk has not only accumulated power, but done so in a way that makes him literally irreplaceable because no one, not even the United States government, is currently capable of providing the services that he provides. the government just becomes reliant on him as this private person to provide all of these services. But this phenomenon is not unique to just Musk.

Like, look at how in some parts of the world at the global south, Facebook and WhatsApp basically are the internet, right? And so the entire population of a country should not be forced to rely on the whims of one private dip shit for their entire internet infrastructure. So Elon Musk is really the worst case scenario of what happens. when countries rely so much on one person privately for infrastructure that really should be public. He is like one massively inflamed, throbbing symptom of a much larger and deeper problem. This is the natural result. This is what they wanted. Like one Uber wealthy, rich guy who is, yeah, like you said, almost like a peer to the government itself in terms of power. These things that he does of providing internet to the military, providing critical infrastructure, these are things that the government should do.

These shouldn't be at the whims of one mercurial dip shit. You're absolutely right. Elon Musk is the result of the past 40 years of government policy of just abdicating its responsibility. responsibilities to the private market. And here we are. And so it's bad. It's bad. And even though it is the girls are fighting, Trump and Musk are fighting, it is us for whom

this will be bad for. Like it is us, the regular citizens who are caught in the crosshairs of this. And it is us who will pay the price. And don't forget that all of this is happening against the backdrop of the Senate potentially passing this bill, which would gut reproductive health care. would kick millions off of Medicaid, would prevent states from making laws that curtail AI for 10 years, would extend deep tax cuts for the wealthy

and certainly do a bunch of other awful things. They don't even know half of because the house passed it in the middle of the night without even bothering to read it. So, yeah, it's bad. I think that we should be talking about this feud, but not talking about it in a way that obscures the fact that there are very real stakes for all of us, and we are in the crosshairs.

But whatever happens when the dust has all settled from Elon's tweets and Trump's rant, I hope we can all remember the wise words of Bravo's Andy Cohen who tweeted, Let me host the reunion. Andy, your messy ass has got the job if it's up to me. If you're looking for ways to support the show, check out our merch store at tangooty.com slash store. Got a story about an interesting thing in tech or just want to say hi? You can reach us at hello at tangooty.com. You can also find transcripts for today's episode at tangoity.com.

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