There Are No Girls on the Internet - Sex and the City's Miranda was a techie. So what happened in the reboot And Just Like That?

Episode Date: February 11, 2022

Spoiler Alert: This episode contains spoilers for the first two epsodoes of the Sex and the City reboot And Just Like That  If you watched Sex and The City like I did, you were probably a Miranda. Not only was she a badass feminist, but she also loved tech! But on the new reboot And Just Like That, we barely recognize her. Podcaster, TikToker and pop culture expert Shannon McNamara joins to discuss the reboot and how our culture views aging women's relatonship to sex and technology. Wanna support the show? Check out our merch shop: Tangoti.com/store  Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And back when I first started it, I couldn't figure out what exactly was going on with the character of Miranda. Why did they make her so different than she had been in the original show? And as a tech podcaster, I couldn't help but wonder why they went out of their way to make her so afraid of technology. Seriously, think back to the original show. Miranda was a techie. She was online before any of her friends, and she was constantly on her Blackberry. Actually, the first time that I ever even heard of TiVo,

which was what we had as DVRs back in the day, was because Miranda was obsessed with it. It wasn't until I saw a TikTok from Shannon McNamara pointing this out that it really struck me. So Shannon has an amazing podcast called Fluently Forward, where she breaks down all the latest celebrity gossip, specifically blind items. And after watching episode two of And Just Like That, Shannon and I sat down to discuss.

My name is Shannon McNamara, and God, title, I don't know, I guess I'm a TikToker and podcaster, even though it sounds kind of weird to describe yourself as that. I think of you as a TikTok or podcaster as the title I think of for you. So really, you are this expert in pop culture, celebrity, and what we call blind items. Can you give our listeners who maybe don't know what a blind item is, just a run-up? down of like, what is a blind item? Yeah, a blind item is basically a bunch of well-connected people in the celebrity world who are kind of spilling tea that you might not know about different celebrities, but in order to not get sued for defamation or slander, they wrap it all up in a

riddle, so you kind of have to figure out who they're talking about. So it's like a fun way to engage the mind, but also get salacious celebrity gossip. And I'd say about 50% of the blind items that you read do end up coming true. So it's like a fun little reward to have people come back and keep reading them. Yeah. How did you become someone who was so fluent in blind items? Like, how did you come to engage with them so much? Yeah. To be honest, I just, I feel like we've all been here before where you're working at a job that you just really do not like. And I had a job in California where, you know, I would have all these extra hours that I would have to stay in the office. So I started just hopping around different websites. And when I discovered websites with blind items, it was just

like the perfect rabbit hole. Like everyone's experience with blind items is that you read one. And then you become obsessed because you kind of start to learn the language of who they're talking about. So it was a fun way to get like juicy drama that also kind of feel like you're accomplishing something when you read them. I know that some of the criticisms about following blind items are people who are like, oh, it's essentially like celebrity fan fiction or like they are conspiracy theories. What do you think about the idea that like blind items can be harmful? Yeah. Well, it's interesting. The actual owner of Crazy Days and Nights has talked about this a bit before. And he said he thinks blind items are fine because once they make it to him, they're kind

of local knowledge within Hollywood. And I feel like we see that a lot, right? Like with everything going on with Harvey Weinstein, the minute it came out, everyone was like, oh, it's an open secret. So if it's a blind item, there's already, you know, thousands of people in Hollywood that, I feel like know this information. Of course, some of them are fan fiction. Like, you have to read everything on the internet with a grain of salt. I will get so many DMs of people being like, I read this blind item and it's true and now I need to cancel this person. And I'm like, oh my God, don't do that. Just like take it as entertainment, run it through your own filter. But that being said, like, we do live in a crazy time where if I read a blind item years ago

about Army Hammer wanting to be a cannibal and eat women, I would be like, oh my God, that's insane fan fiction. But like, like, sometimes these things turn out to be true. So we do live in a crazy world, like, you know, take it all with a grain of salt, but also some of these things happen. I'm a big believer in the power of things like whisper networks or, you know, that like these things, when we dismiss them as always incorrect, I feel that it really discounts the times where like, well, no, this was, this was actually accurate and like, yeah, maybe it did seem far-fetched when you heard it, but now it's, now it's common knowledge. Yeah, exactly. And I think it's good to flex that muscle at least of like just

researching something, right? Like if a bunch of websites have been saying one thing about a celebrity for years, you know, where there's smoke, there's fire, so it's at least worth looking into. It's not worth spamming their DMs and saying that they're a monster, but like, you know, just do your research and see what's going to come true. Yeah. I mean, and another, so one of the reasons I wanted to talk to you today was your really deep, deep dive into blind items around sex in the city. And then there's this sort of reaction to it. What were your initial thoughts about the, and just like that reboot of Sex and the City?

Oh, my God. So, I mean, Sex and the City is one of my favorite shows. And I feel like it is for so many people. Like, it just hit on, you know, it was a cultural phenomenon for a reason. Like, it's funny, it's witty, it's quick. It has four relationships with girls, which, by the way, I think if you're going to make any successful TV show, having four women as the main leads, like you see that in pretty little liars,

you see that, I mean, they're men, but you see that in new girl, you see that in big little lies. I feel like it's a great setup. But it just meant so much to people. And also, since the show ended, you've kind of seen what all of these actresses did, right? So Cynthia Nixon went the political route. Sarah Jessica Parker went the fashion route. Kim Cottrell kind of removed herself from the scene. Nobody knew what was happening with Kristen Davis.

So I do think everyone says there was no need for the show to come back. But I think people were curious about, like, you know, what happens afterwards, and especially the feud with Kim Cottrell and Sarah Jessica Parker, I think that made everybody really curious to see kind of who was, quote, unquote, like, right in that feud. In case you don't know, even though Sam Jones and Carrie Bradshaw were BFFs on the show, Kim Cottrell and Sarah Jessica Parker, the actors who portrayed them on Sex and the City, had a lot of bad blood behind the scenes.

There's accusations of exploitation and bullying and people being iced out. And when Kim Cottrell's brother tragically passed away, Sarah Jessica Parker sent her flowers. And Kim responded on Instagram, saying to Sarah Jessica Parker, you were not my friend, you were not my family, and I don't need your love and support at this tragic time. Ouch. Now, if you've seen the second episode of In Just Like That, you'll know this actually mirrors a plotline on the series. When Carrie's husband Big suddenly dies, Samantha, who has since moved away and stopped talking to Carrie, still since flowers. I followed that feud pretty closely.

And I think, you know, in thinking about some of the aspects of the reboot that I didn't really like, I thought it was a little bit tacky that, you know, the plot line where Samantha sends flowers when carries, when big dies, knowing how that mirrored their real life feud, I thought was a little like, like using the platform of sex in the city to push this feud into the audience. I thought that was a little, I didn't really love that. Me and either. And I've been kind of like, I didn't really know where I stood on the feud because I was like, you know, I love Kim Cottrell and I love Samantha. But, you know, everyone sides with Sarah Jessica Parker. And she does seem so polite and well put together in interviews. And I remember there was this quote she had where Sarah Jessica Parker said that on her lock screen, on her phone. It just says grace. And she looks at that every time before she speaks publicly because she wants to handle everything she does in the public with grace. And I was like, oh, you know what? Maybe they're both right in this. You know, there's two sides to every story. Maybe Sarah Jessica Parker is in the right. And then once they dropped the first two episodes of the show, I was like, you know what? I'm on Kim control aside because the way you handled that was not with grace talking about money problems, talking about death. Like it was just to me, it was just like egregious.

I thought the same thing. And I felt like it was, it was not only was it egregious, it felt like lazy writing because I don't think that Sam Jones would ever, Like she stood by her friends through so many things. I don't think that she would fall out with Carrie over money. It seemed to be creating this version of the characters that we had never seen before. Yes, like complete fantasy. And I think that's why so many people were upset. And also, Samantha was the one person who her friends meant more to her than anyone because she didn't have a partner.

You know, it would make more sense for Miranda to drop them because she's busy with her family or, you know, Charlotte to kind of ghost out. but Samantha viewed her friendships as like her family. So it just, the whole thing makes no sense. Let's take a quick break. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman

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It's completely out of step with a tech-forward, no-nonsense woman that viewers like me fell in love with on the original series. Let's get into Miranda, because I feel that of all the characters, so a lot of the characters seem completely out of step with who they were in the OG series,

but almost nobody quite so much as Miranda. And you know, when I watched the first two episodes, I couldn't quite put my finger on some of the things, like, Miranda was the most clear in her ideology as a feminist, as an independent woman,

as what that meant to be an independent woman in your 40s doing things on your own. Watching this version of her now, who is this bumbling boomer who is like fumbling everything, I did not recognize this woman. And it wasn't until I watched your TikTok where I was like, oh yeah, they also really reinvent Miranda's relationship with technology. And, you know, can you give us some examples of Miranda's relationship to technology in the original series? Yeah. So I mean, Miranda was one of those characters in the original series who like

nobody wanted to say they were a Miranda, but you so closely identified with her. And she was just obsessed with technology. Like she had so many funny storylines about being obsessed with TiVo, wanting to go home to what her TV was recording. She was just on the cutting edge. Like she always had her Blackberry with her. When her and Steve went to their honeymoon in the cabin, she was like, it's too quiet. Like I need my gadgets. I need my internet, things like that. She was the one who helped Carrie get online. She was the one that I think in one of the movies when they're traveling, she wants to make sure that the place has Wi-Fi because she has to be checking her email. She was even getting LASIC procedures. Like she was on top of everything. And then now in this

new series, she's like, I can't get into podcasts. I would never touch a Kindle. I like the way that the pages turn on a book. And I'm like, you, I've never even seen you read a book for any episode of the series. You're watching TiVo and you're on your Blackberry. So it just felt like it wasn't like they were taking a personality trait of hers and then making it larger. They just completely switched. It was like a black and white change. And it just felt like a disservice to the character. I completely agree. And your TikTok really helped crystallize that for me. And I also think, first of all, Miranda would fuck with podcasts. She would be listening to NPR. She would have a tote bag for NPR. She would be, she is someone who would really like podcasts. And, you know, you go back

to talking about some of the ways that Miranda had this, this relationship with technology in the original show. Keep in mind that we're going back to like the late 90s, right? So, like, I remember the first time I had ever heard of TiVo was because Miranda wanted to watch her, like, British soap operas on TiVo. I'd never heard of TiVo before, right? And, like, now it's ubiquitous, but it wasn't ubiquitous in, like, 1999. Yeah. So she definitely was on the cutting edge. Another scene I remember is how she reacts when they moved to Brooklyn.

And Steve is like, oh, I finally hooked up the DSL. And she, you know, we got going back a while, you know, back from how we used to get online. but like she explodes in joy. She's so happy to have it. And yeah, why do you think that they have decided to make her go in this complete different direction in terms of her relationship with technology? Yeah. Well, it was interesting.

The comments on that TikTok I made, one person said that, and I made another video about this where I feel like Samantha was kind of the punching bag in the original series where like, you know, in the, when they go to Abu Dhabi, she's like, you know, oh my God, I need my hormone pills and I'm just like a raging mess of a woman. And like if there was anything embarrassing that had to happen, they typically gave that scene to Samantha or Miranda. And now as Samantha gone, I feel like they need one of the characters to be like the bumbling mess where like funny things happened to them. They're just so not with it. And that role kind of fell to Miranda. Either that or like they want some sort of boomer Karen character. So they just forced Miranda to be it. And a lot of people

were saying it seems like Charlotte would actually be more suited for that role. And And I don't know. I really don't know. Yeah, that's kind of what I think. I believe that her, in this new version of the show, Miranda's technophobia and her missteps when it comes to things like race relations are kind of linked. I feel like they're kind of making this point that, you know, when a middle-aged person is trying to be like woke or politically correct, that I think they're trying to demonstrate

it as a kind of regression for a middle-aged woman. And I think that like her regression away from technology is sort of linked to that. I feel like they're trying to make a point about, you know, Miranda is really going backward. And her inability to talk to like a black college professor is linked to her inability to like read a Kindle or understand podcast. Like we're watching her like regress. Yes. And it seems like Miranda is aware because she's always been so like academia focused and things like that. So it seems like she's aware of issues, but she's just handling them wrong. You know, like she knows what a microaggression is, but she's committing them all over the

place. And she knows that you need to be able to have an open relationship with your child about sex. But instead, she's just letting her son have sex in the house and not really talking to him about it. So it's weird because it's like she's almost like she's missing the mark on everything, but she knows that she's missing the mark. So it's just, it's painful to watch. I'm like fast forwarding her scenes because Miranda used to be the character where like, no matter what scene she's in, no, she's going to handle herself well. And now every time she comes

on screen, I'm like, oh, God, like, what's going to happen? That's so true. She was, like, the most relatable of the bunch. Yeah. I felt like, in a lot of ways, she was kind of the stand-in for the audience of, like, she's going to, she's going to handle herself. She's not going to get swept off into, like, Pollyanna Land, like, Charlotte, or, you know, you know, make all the wrong choices, like, Carrie might. Like, she, like, I felt like she knew, like, the audience knew that she reliably knew how to handle herself and watching her go the opposite direction in the reboot is just like, yeah, sometimes it's hard to watch. Yes, yeah.

And it's funny because I think the rest of the characters are just coming off like so much better, you know, like I'm actually, I don't know, kind of jiving with Carrie this season when typically like Carrie was not my favorite person to watch on screen. Yeah, that's such a good point. More after a quick break. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not. Quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends, me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, S&L's Mikey Day and headwriter, Streeter

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The World Cup is almost here. Experience it all with us. Listen, Inside American Soccer with Tom Bogart and Tab Ramos on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, wherever you get your podcast. Let's get right back into it. Another thing I really appreciated about your TikTok is the way that you talk about how the sort of institution of sex in the city on its own was this kind of great thing because you got to under, you got to see these like 30, 40, 50 something women dealing with sex and dating and work. And that's not something we really see a lot.

You, we kind of have this assumption that once you're out of your 20s, women just like stop being sexual, stop having conversations about sex, stop thinking about sex. And we know that's not true. and this show really kind of reset that standard in a way that was really refreshing. And I guess that's one of the reasons why I'm so disappointed in the way that they have framed Miranda's relationship to technology, because I see them kind of linked, right, that we have a blanket misconception that folks in their 40s, 50s, 60s have no relationship to technology. It's just like not something in their life. And that's just not true. And I guess I wish that we could see, you know, the same way that we saw Miranda as this like cutting edge person involved in technology.

I wish we could continue to develop what these women and their relationship to technology looks like into their 60s. I think that that's not something we see on screen a lot. And we have just kind of had this blanket assumption that they're not involved in technology. But we know that's not true because everybody is. Yeah. And I think that they're in this new reboot. It's just like it's so odd. I feel like they're trying to touch on like a bingo card of like trending topics and like address it without doing a good job on it.

And they're even looking at certain things like the idea that someone in their 50s, you know, is going to like, Steve doesn't have any hearing whatsoever. And like Miranda doesn't know what a podcast is. I'm like, my parents are in their 60s and they're obsessed with podcasts. Like you're making it sound like it's something. I just feel like you're putting boomers in like a negative light where it's like they're not these bumbling creatures. Sure, like some of them are. I don't think they know how to TikTok. But like these are still, you know, these are still smart people. And then they're also talking about aging to. And where they're talking about like, oh my God, can you believe that we're aging in our hair and things like that? It's like, you don't need to talk about it in every scene. Just be there. Look how you look. I feel like they're touching on these topics, but they're talking about them in such a negative light. And it's like, this could have been a chance for you to not lean into their stereotypes, you know? Yeah, I think it really like turns, it could have been a chance to really give an authentic, nuanced depiction of what it's like to be an aging person. in 2021. And instead, they chose to lean into caricatures of what that might be like, like, a real,

a real, like, stereotype-driven caricature of somebody aging in 2021. And even in the original series, they talked about things like aging and technology, but they did it so much better then, where Samantha would be like, yeah, I get Botox or, you know, I like to do things like this. Or, yes, you know, I am 40 and I am still fabulous and I wear glasses, but it's okay. And without Samantha there, You just have like the negative nancy's bringing each other down. There's no, I don't know who in the show is now the empowered woman that I want to be like because I look at all three of those ladies and I'm like, I don't think I'd want any of their lives. Samantha was the person who like, she's fabulous.

She's living her life on her own terms and loving it. And yeah, looking at it now, I don't know who we're supposed to look at and say they're living their life on their own terms and loving it. Yes. Yeah. And I, you know, I'm sure that there's some sort of formula for shows where you have to have all the characters start in a bad place. So that way there's like things to overcome and like that's what moves the plot along. But I don't know. Like do all of them have to be down so bad? Like couldn't one of them be like a role model and they take turns being cringe? I don't know. Yeah, that's another thing.

The show was just was the first two episodes. Maybe it'll change both just real bummers. Yeah. And what were your thoughts on the Peloton thing? I was like they must have, they must have some serious resentment with someone on there because the entire advertisement, I was like, I'm never working out again in my life. It was just such a negative endorsement. It was, so this has been a big topic of conversation in our household because I'm obsessed with indoor cycling, even though I don't have a peloton because I can't afford it. But it really, like the scene where Miranda and Steve are talking in the closet and he's like, it was that bike. He should have never been on that bike. He was a fool to be on that bike. The way that they

really make it seem like the Peloton was the cause of his death. And the real world impacts of that, like Peloton chairs dropped quickly. They put up that ad with Big being like, oh, I'm still alive. I also feel like it really almost borders on like a little bit of like irresponsible information that like cardio causes can cause your death. If you work out too hard, you're going to die. I was like, what? And I think, like, good for Peloton for putting out that ad where it's like, or that statement where it's like, well, big drank a lot. He ate steaks. He's smoking a cigar earlier in a scene in that same episode. So like, let's not pretend it was the occasional cardio that might have did

him in. Yeah. And just for them to iron. It was like another thing too where why did it have to be Peloton? And there were so many aspects in the show they're talking about Peloton. They're talking about what was it, COVID, like different references to that. I feel like a show is good if it can be timeless, right? Like, you could hop into any Friends episode or any old sex in the city episode and it is what it is. But this show just seems like it was made for the year 2022 and it was just made as a quick cash grab. And I'm sure Kim Controll is sitting back having a glass of wine going, thank God, I chose not to be in this. Yes. I mean, it's like universally being panned.

And I think you're so right. It kind of reminds me of, like, if you ever watch BoJack Horseman, those flashback episodes where it's like, this is a show, this is a song about the 90s because this is an episode about the 90s, like, Alainus Morset, crunch, plaid. Like, that's what I feel like I'm watching. Like, just a mishmash of like things we remember from 2021, COVID, mass, Peloton, you know, wokeness, you know, all of these different things. Yeah. So my last question for you is, as a podcaster, what do you think about Carrie as a podcast host? How does this sit with you? Here's the thing.

I think when I look back on the show, and I'm sure, you know, how much of it is Carrie versus how much of it is the writers of the show. But Carrie is really fucking funny in the show. And like, so is Samantha. The lines in there are so good. I remember, like, one of the scenes where Samantha's talking about how she's dating the guy with the funkiest tasting spun. And then they're like, why do they think girls are going to like it? And then they're like, well, maybe if, you know, maybe if men came beer or whatever, like, they would drink it and stuff like that. And it's like, those are really funny conversations.

And also, they did talk about sex back then. So I don't know why they're making out Carrie. It's probably with the age boomer thing. They're making her out to be such a prude. And it's like, you had a sex column. I just thought it was so weird. And then her asking big if he masturbates, how could you not ask that to someone that you've been married to and having sex with for like 30 years? years now. It's ridiculous to me. So I think Carrie could be a great podcaster, but maybe they're just

kind of talking about this generational idea where like, you know, even my parents will listen to my podcast and say, Shannon, you're dropping too many F bombs. But people in our generation are happy to talk about like their hemorrhoids or their hookups on the internet. So I think that Carrie could get into it because she is funny. It's just a shame that she's like self-censoring herself. This is someone who in the 90s wrote a column about how a politician wanted her to pee on him. I was just thinking about the politician, yes. Yeah. Or like having anal sex or threesomes or I mean, I feel like there wasn't a single topic because I've rewatched sex in the city now and I've gone, okay, if they were still making the show, what new sexual like taboo or fetish is out there that people are engaging to that they haven't talked about? And I'm like, They actually cover everything. Like, there's no new thing.

They're talking about vibrators, group sex. It's like they did such a good job of covering everything openly on the show. And once again, I'm like, maybe that's why Samantha is missing because the show was sex in the city. And like, nothing sexy has happened in the past two episodes. That episode of Big Pleasure in himself, I was like, oh, my God. I would rather watch a scene with Miranda and her professor again, even though that was just as bad. It was just like, it was horrible. It was horrible.

It was bad. But here's the thing, I'm going to fucking keep watching. Like, it's so bad. I'm going to watch every episode. It's on tonight, I think, and you better believe I'm, like, going to be on the couch. Also, I think they did do a good job of setting up Carrie to be single. So now we can see what it's like, you know, dating in your 50s or whatever. So I'm glad that that's going to happen. I just think, like, my God, did they bungle the first two episodes. Well, here's, I'll be watching, you'll be watching. We'll have to stay in touch about how we feel about how the next two episodes go to. Yes, definitely. Shannon, where can folks follow all the hilarious, insightful, eyebrow-raising work that you are up to? This is sweet. I'm fluently forward on everything, just as one word.

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