There Are No Girls on the Internet - We Won’t Forget Lynika Strozier

Episode Date: October 20, 2020

Lynika Strozier was a promising scientist who died of COVID at age 35. Her friend and colleague Dr. Corrie Moreau remembers her friend and talks about efforts to keep Lynika’s legacy alive.Read more about Lynika: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/19/obituaries/lynika-strozier-dead-coronavirus.htmlGofund me for Lynika: https://www.gofundme.com/f/552b3q-lynika039s-funeral-expensesWe hope you enjoyed season 1 of TANGOTI. We’re taking a break but watch this space because we’ll be back with more real soon.In the meantime, say hi at [e-mail] Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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So listen to Point Game on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. There Are No Girls on the Internet as a production of IHeart Radio and Unbossed Creative. I'm Bridget Todd, and this is There Are No Girls on the Internet. Worldwide, we've lost over a million people from COVID. And here in the United States, we've lost over 200,000 people to COVID. According to the APM Research Lab, one in every 120 Black Americans is now dead from COVID. Let that sink in.

It's an absolutely staggering figure. Yet, we've had no national large-scale mourning of these deaths. Earlier this fall, Trump even said that COVID impacted quote, virtually nobody. Mickey McKella, a professor of history at the University of Connecticut and author of the Politics of Mourning, told CNN that instead of mourning,

Americans have been fed a kind of wartime attitude about how we must defeat the virus and must not let the virus win. And that that response has largely been about not marking death, not marking tragedy, and not marking the horror of the ongoing lack of meaningful response.

But instead, focusing on that this is what Americans do, But that's now what we should do. Collective mourning is important, and mourning is an important step of dealing with grief. We can't just pretend these people never existed. They did. And they're more than just data points on some chart about COVID. There are mothers and daughters and friends and family and colleagues. This week, faith leaders from all over the country held visuals in person and online

to mourn those we've lost to COVID. And I wanted to tell you about someone we lost to. Lanika Strozer was just 35 when she died from complications of COVID. She was a gifted scientist and a researcher in the DNA lab at the Field Museum of Natural History in Chicago, one of the largest in the world. She didn't have an easy life. Her mother struggled with drugs and Lanika lived with her grandmother. A learning disability made math in reading a challenge, but she found creative solutions to manage these challenges. Rather than working out complicated math equations on a calculator, she did them on paper by hand, which helped her vision. the numbers she worked with.

A visual learner, drawing pictures and diagrams, helped her map out our lessons. She went on to successfully earn two master's degrees. She wasn't really sure what she wanted to study, until in college, her mentor, Yvonne Harris, suggested she think about exploring the sciences. My philosophy is that we're born scientists and mathematicians, and we experiment and observe the world around us all the time,

Harris explained. Having the A student is nice, but we want people who are people who are not. who have tenacity and determination and a refusal to fail, Harris told the Chicago Tribune in a 2012 profile of Lanika's academic success. When Lanika got involved in the sciences, it just clicked and she loved it.

One of her professors even nicknamed her, Golden Hands, because she was able to get DNA from very small samples, a difficult task. Everyone who talks about Lanika was struck by her determination. You get knocked down so many times, you have to learn to pick yourself back up. And sometimes it's about hard work and faith

and having people who can help you push forward. Sometimes that's all you have to go on. She explained to the Chicago Tribune. Field Museum President Richard Laviere called Lenica's death a devastating loss, both to her own family and to her museum family and all who knew Lenika. Her life goal was to be in front of a classroom,

teaching the sciences to others. And right before she died, that goal had actually become a reality. Who knows how many more lives Lenika could have touched? Who knows how this loss will reverberate for generations? A gifted scientist who overcame so much to accomplish so much. A teacher and a black woman excelling in a field not traditionally known for its diversity. How many lives could she have gone on to shape?

And how can you even begin to measure such a loss? Like she really just had this fire in her that she always wanted to succeed. Lenica's scientific research involved bugs and plants and other kinds of organisms. It's a pretty particular subject matter, and that's something that her colleague, Corey Moreau, has really brought them together. How did you get involved in being a scientist? I wouldn't have predicted it from being a child. I grew up in New Orleans, Louisiana, and neither of my parents went to university or graduated college. So despite the fact that I knew that I wanted to go to college, I didn't necessarily know what I could do with that degree when I got it.

out. And I always loved nature and I always loved science. And so I knew that I wanted to study biology when I went to the university and insects were always my favorite. But I thought that, you know, the options for me probably were limited in the sense that the only people I knew with college degrees that I interacted with personally were my high school teachers. So I thought maybe I could teach biology or since I liked insects, maybe I could work for a pest extermination company because those were the only people I knew who had jobs to play with bugs. But I loved PBS and I sort of always wished that I could be one of the explorers on, you know, the television shows growing up. And essentially my dreams come true.

When I got to university, the world was opened up to me in the sense that there's so many ways you can use a science degree. And now I get to run around jungles all over the world collecting bugs. And I have the dream job. What was it about bugs for you? Why did you like bugs so much? I think because I grew up in a city and I loved nature. I, you know, there wasn't a lot of it outside. I also liked that there was just so much diversity within insects.

You know, you could go outside and catch dragonflies or beetles or butterflies or watch the ants on the sidewalk. And I just think it was that there was so much wonder out there that I could sort of take advantage of no matter where I live. And that's true anywhere. So how did you wind up at the field museum? Yeah. So I've always been associated with natural history collections throughout my entire career.

So I started as an undergrad working in the entomological collection at San Francisco State University. I then did my master's also at San Francisco State, but in collaboration with the California Academy of the Sciences, again, using their scientific research collections for, you know, my master's thesis. I then went away to Harvard and I was using the collections at the Museum of Comparative Zoology on a daily basis. And so I've always had this connection with natural history and museums and the cool science you can do by using them. So when I finally, you know, finished all my schooling and did a postdoc at Berkeley, I started a position at the Field Museum in Chicago. And although most people think of natural history museums as places to sort of go and, you know, have educational and entertainment, what most people don't realize is that almost all natural history collections have scientists working. behind the scenes using the vast collections to ask scientific questions. It was during this time, playing with bugs and answering questions behind the scenes at the

Field Museum that Corey met Lanika. And right away, they clicked. So is that the first time that you met Lanika? That's absolutely true. So I met Lanika in 2011. She had done an internship with a colleague and was looking for another internship. and he knew that I was looking to hire someone. And so he introduced us and Lenique and I hit it off right away.

What was it about her that made you hit it off? I think it was her openness, her honesty and her tenacity. Like she really just had this fire in her that she always wanted to succeed. And I don't just mean be a successful scientist, but like even with an experiment, if she couldn't get it to work, it would really like, kind of gnaw away at her and she had to figure out not just how to make it work but why it wasn't working and that is something and as a scientist you can't teach that sort of drive or that creativity to someone she just already possessed it yeah in reading about her life it seems like

that kind of drive was a defining I think that really defined her you know she was someone who faced a lot of limitations growing up and still managed to get to where she was at the end of her life. Absolutely. I mean, she was really a very thoughtful person. She was incredibly hardworking and she was such a loving person. She, you know, anyone she came across in her life, she really wanted to connect with them. And I mean, I think one of the things I always respected the most about her is her, her openness and honesty about both the things she's experienced in the past. But, you know, you know, some people would have shame over things that they can't control. She didn't have that at all. But the flip side of it was she also loved to share her successes. And so I think when you have someone who is willing to let you see when they're

down, but also let you see when they're succeeding, they're an inspiration. Can you tell us a little bit more about her research? Yeah. So, you know, when she was at the field museum, she did lots of different projects because we have, you know, dozens of scientists working on pretty much every kind of organism you can imagine. So I know she did a bunch of work on early land plants and on fungi. And for me, she, of course, was sequencing DNA of ants. And in that project, essentially what we were trying to understand is the diversity, both genetic diversity, but also the host associated microbiome or the microbes living in ants from the Florida Keys. So for me, she did a lot of sequencing of DNA of ants. But, you know, she then went on to do a master's degree, a research master's degree as well as an educational

master's degree. And I was on her master's committee where she was studying the phylogyography of these birds from Madagascar. And she did a bunch of beautiful work on that and even published that research. Let's take a quick break. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guide, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Jim Gaffigan to Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman helped make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel help an a cappella band with their between songs banter.

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but don't ever feel like you don't belong. Don't let that be the reason you don't do it. An Olympic champs Gabby Thomas and Katie Ladeke. The ability to show a gold medal to someone and have their face light up and smile, that means the world to me. And that's what motivates me to win more gold medals. At our level, at this scale, like being able to fail in front of the entire world. Like, I can do anything. I can do anything. Because resilience isn't just about winning. It's about showing up, even when it's hard. Listen to Hurtle with Emily Abadi on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHart Women's Sports. And we're back. Women being in community with one another is a powerful

force. Not only did their shared interest in science unite Corey and Lenica. but it also created the conditions to bring more underrepresented women into the field. And the more Lanika came into her own as a scientist, the more focus she became on bringing others with her as a teacher and a mentor. Lanika didn't have the picture-perfect A-student story. Her openness around her background and her struggles allowed others to see science as something they could do too. I just can't get over how interesting this body of work is. You don't even, like, I'm not a scientist, but you don't, you never think of like someone studying birds and ants and, you know, these very specific types of organisms.

It's just so interesting how, I mean, I guess I can imagine you finding another woman who is captivated by all of these things that you're captivated by and really just sort of clicking. Absolutely. And that's the thing is that, I mean, what I loved about Lanika is not just that she had this general awe of the natural world and wanted to learn everything she could about it. but one of her other passions was she loved sharing it. So, you know, if I ever needed people to be trained in the lab, she was my go-to person. And not that other people didn't have the skills, it's that Lanika had joy in showing people how to do science and helping them succeed and overcome hurdles. And, you know, she was just spectacular. And, you know, there's not a lot of people like her in the sense that, you know, she could pursue a scientific question, but she could also talk about it to the public.

and she could share her enthusiasm and get other people to essentially want to do the same thing she's doing. Was she, did she have a role, like a position as a role model for other students, other students from marginalized backgrounds? Absolutely. And that was one thing she was very vocal about and I absolutely loved about her is that she wanted to make sure that we had opportunities to engage other underrepresented students in research. And so she was instrumental in making sure that we always kept that as, on the forefronts of our minds as we were thinking about, you know, what programming we were creating or which positions we were hiring. You know, she was heavily involved in the Field Museum's Women and Science Program. You know, she often was the sort of point person that was training the interns we brought in for the summer. And, you know, she was a role model to many people across the museum.

What is your, maybe you don't have one particular one, but if you had to think of one of your favorite memories of her, or the most vivid memory of her. Does anything come to mind? I think, of course, I have many. I think that the thing I remember most about Lanika is that even after she had, you know, not worked for me for a while, she had gone on and done all these, you know, amazing things, gotten these two master's degrees, she would always pop in my office, just come by to talk to me,

either to share some success she had or if she was struggling with something, She would often want to come and like bounce it off of me just to sort of, you know, have another perspective. And most of the time she didn't need advice. It was like she needed a sounding board. She would say it out loud and she would reach a conclusion that she probably already knew herself. But she felt like having someone else hear it, you know, gave her the courage to come to the right decision. And I liked watching her go through that, you know, essentially this vocal thought experiment just right in my office. And it was kind of, you know, every time she came in, I would kind of get a small smile because I knew I was going to get to sort of see her, you know, think through a problem and reach a conclusion in that she didn't need me.

It was just she needed a space to do it. And I just really loved that about her. Blenica's friends and family raised almost $85,000 on GoFundMe for funeral cost and to establish a scholarship fund fund to help support young black women with internship opportunities at Science and Technology Institute. in Chicago. Because Lanika was so passionate about both science, but also in including marginalized communities in science, it only seemed absolutely the right decision to do is to sort of create a scholarship. And we're able to do that because we had a very successful GoFundMe campaign. And the, you know, museums and the institutions she's been involved with are all on board. And so we're going to make sure that the next generation not only knows about Lanika, but they actually can

to, you know, benefit from her impact in the world. More after this quick break. Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guide, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Jim Gaffigan to Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman, help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and headwriters, Streeter Seidel,

help an Acapella band with their between songs banter. There's the worst singer in the group. The worst? Yeah. Me. Is there anything to the idea that because you're from Harvard, you only got in because your parents made a huge donation. The group.

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Their locker room stories, their reactions, the stuff nobody gets to hear. The laughs, the drama, the triumphs, the moments that never make the highlight real. From viral moments to historic games, from buzzer beaters to controversial calls, we break it down, give you context, and ask the questions everybody wants answered. Sportslice brings you closer to the action with stories told by the people who live them. Listen to Sports Slice on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more, follow Timbo Slices Life 12 and the TikTok podcast. network on TikTok.

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Like, it didn't make sense in my brain. It's hard to be in spaces that no one looks like you. but don't ever feel like you don't feel on. Don't let that be the reason you don't do it. An Olympic champs Gabby Thomas and Katie Ladeki. The ability to show gold medal to someone and have their face light up and smile, that means the world to me.

And that's what motivates me to win more gold medals. At our level, at this scale, like being able to fail in front of the entire world. Like, I can do anything. I can do anything. Because resilience isn't just about winning. It's about showing up, even when it's hard. Listen to Hurtle with Emily Abadi on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports.

Let's get right back into it. In this time of COVID, it has been kind of heartbreaking to see the amount of people who have lost their lives to COVID. And yet we have not had any kind of official, you know, large scale memorial for these people. And sometimes it can sort of feel like these people weren't people. They are sort of numbers or, you know, data points. How can we get to a place where we remember that these were people? They were friends, colleagues, daughters, sisters, loved ones, and not just, you know, another number on the news.

You know, I wish I knew the answer to that. I mean, I remember early on in the pandemic, you know, I didn't say, out loud to anyone, but to myself, I had said, I really hope that I get through this, not knowing anyone who's personally been severely affected. And that was like this weird internal wish I had for myself. And then when when Lanika passed away, I was absolutely devastated for days. I mean, I couldn't stop crying and even now thinking about it, it's tremendously sad. And to think that we have hundreds of thousands of people who are dying and we just sort of chalk it up to like,

well, at least the infection rates low and the death rates low, but if it's even one, it's too many. I mean, these are people and they're important and they have contributions to give to the world. And so I just hope that we can control this soon and that we don't have to lose any more beautiful, inspiring people like Lanika. Yeah, I mean, that was one of the reasons I was so moved by her story because I thought, you know, and obviously one life is too many to lose. But when you look at people and you think all the lives this person could have continued to touch, all of the sort of, you know, generations of people who are missing out on knowing this person, getting mentorship from this person, being inspired by this person, and really taking a bird's eye. look at that scale of loss that we can't even calculate. Like if you can't even really fathom it to say to say how many people are going to,

you know, could have benefited from knowing her or working with her, learning from her, seeing her. It's just sort of, we'll never know that the loss. That's absolutely true. And I think that's why we were all so moved to make sure that there's going to be, you know, opportunities for other people to still have some of those experiences, at least to have access to learning what science is and getting hands-on experience

through these internships that we're creating because her legacy is just so impactful and we want to make sure that even though she can't be there to inspire them, they'll still know about what an amazing woman she was. I'm so grateful that you all are doing this work. Alenica touched so many people's lives that it's such a loss to have her not here anymore.

I'm so sorry. It's, it's, you know, I think that's another thing that really moved to me about her story is, I was reading an article that said that she always wanted to have this classroom of her own and that she was finally on track to make that goal, a reality. And then this happens. And it's just so. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's somebody who had so many hurdles and none of them stopped her. her. And that is remarkable. And every thing she wanted to come true in her life, despite the fact that

when she first started dreaming of them, that was such a far, like, reach, she reached every one of them. And that, to me, just shows the kind of amazing person she was. And she got there not by like stepping on others or, you know, throwing other people under the bus. She did it by being a loving, caring, compassionate, dedicated person. Through this scholarship, Linneka's colleagues are using the tragedy of her death to inspire the next generation of girls to fall in love with science, just like Lenika did. What do you hope the scholarship achieves, like when the scholarship is up and running, what kind of impact do you hope that it has in her name? I know that the young women who will receive this scholarship will benefit immensely. mostly because they'll have an opportunity to continue in her footsteps, right?

They'll essentially be the first in their family to do research or to learn how to educate and mentor others. And the most important thing, I think, for us is that we want to make sure that the work when Nika was doing continues, and it continues to impact the next generation of scientists. I have no doubt that it will already. Already I think so many people are moved by her story and her legacy and the work that you and your colleagues and her family are doing to keep that alive. So I'm so grateful that you all are doing that work. Lenica isn't really gone. Not really.

She'll live on in classrooms. Wherever little black girls are getting excited about science or bugs or any other subject that she's realizing could be hers to master. People like Lanika mattered. We won't forget about them, or the way they shaped our lives. Their names won't be forgotten. We won't let them. We hope you've enjoyed listening to Season 1 of There Are No Girls on the Internet.

We're taking a short hiatus, but we'll be back real soon with more. In the meantime, keep in touch. Say hi at hello at tangooty.com. And follow me, Bridget, at Bridget, at Bridget Marie in DC on Instagram and at Bridgett Marie on Twitter. And we'll see you real soon. Got a story about an interesting thing in tech or just want to say hi? You can reach us at hello at tangoody.com.

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