These Fukken Feelings Podcast© - Hobbies as Healing: Hamidah's Fusion of Leisure and Mental Health Therapy | Season 3 Episode 317

Episode Date: March 13, 2024

Send us a Text Message.Have you ever wondered how nurturing a new hobby could be the key to unlocking better mental health? This week, Crystal and I are joined by the insightful Hamidah, a mental health nurse with an innovative 'hobby' program, to explore the healing power of leisure activities. Hamidah's practice intertwines therapeutic techniques with the joy of hobbies, offering a fresh approach to mental wellness that goes beyond traditional therapy. Our conversation delves into the gritt...

you don't have to be positive all the time it's perfectly okay to feel sad angry annoyed frustrated scared and anxious having feelings doesn't make you a negative person it doesn't even make you weak it makes you human and we are here to talk through it all we welcome you to these fucking feelings podcast a safe space for all who needs it grab a drink and take a seat the session begins now what is up guys welcome to these fucking feelings podcast i am micah i got my girl Crystal over here in the studio with me taking up the co-host chair because Rebecca is in California. So she keeps leaving us and it's very, very horrible. So, and our guest for today is Hamida.

Hamida. Hamida. Sorry aboutida. Hamida. Hamida. Sorry about that. Hamida. And Hamida, one thing we like to do is we ask our guests to introduce themselves because no one can do it quite like you. So tell our audience a little bit about yourself. Yes. Awesome.

Thank you for having me. Yeah, my name is Hamida. For my profession, I've been a mental health nurse for the past four years. I nurse five years total. Yeah, so I've always been into psychology, so I went the mental health nurse route. What I'm working on is called Hobby. And basically what it is, it's we show you how to make your hobbies a form of therapy so like let's say for example you're into art you get introduced to an art therapist if you're into dance dance therapy writing journaling stuff like that okay yeah and what made you come up with this idea well number one i guess what made you go into the mental health field?

I guess that'd be the first question. Yeah. Um, I mean, I've always like been really into, especially in high school. Like I took psychology as an elective and it was like, wow,

it's actually pretty interesting. And also like, I wasn't, I guess every teenager goes through this phase where they're not really having the best time in school. You know, like we don't have the best mental health of your life in high school. Nobody does. I mean, some people do, but, you know, like it's not for everybody. So, yeah, that's why I got the little connection there.

So when I was applying to colleges, I was applying for both psychology and nursing. So my mom was like, you know what, you should do nursing because what if you don't, you get there and you don't like psych after you've been four years just for psych. Just do nursing is a very general thing. So that's how I got started into it. I always wanted to be a nurse,

but I don't think I had patience with it. I don't think I would have patience with patients. Yeah. You can take the damn medicine. And honestly, for psych, you have to have a lot of patience, because sometimes people test your patience a lot.

And then you got to think about... Sorry, go ahead. I'm just wondering, what does being a psych nurse look like? I mean, I know what a nurse looks like, but what does being a psych nurse look like? I mean, I know what a nurse looks like, but what does a day in that look like? Yeah. So I'm going to get, I guess, to give like a little rundown of how my average day goes. Right now I'm working the ED. So it's a little bit different than when you work like

inpatient so I mean I mean you go into work and you have to right off the bat have thick skin and not take things personally because you will get abused if not physically they're probably like like I'm, verbal abuse. So you have to, like, be ready for that. Because you're dealing with people who, like, are at their worst of the worst. Like, for example, people come in, like, schizophrenic episodes, you know, like, they believe, like, they put, like, microphones on their body listening to their thoughts and stuff like that. Or someone wants to kill themselves.

Or, like, we get, like like someone who's homeless you know like a lot of different people coming at their worst so don't take it for someone who calls you like an ugly bitch or like I don't know like a lot of things people come up with some very very creative insults like you'll be uh shocked but other than that come in with your compassion too you know don't just come in with a thick skin because you have to have like you have to have care for who you're taking care of you know like you have to understand or try to understand where they're coming from um and try to like solve their need in that moment like make them feel safe and you know stuff like that

yeah it sounds like you just gave like instructions for life like have thick skin but also be compassionate you know yeah for yourself and for others yeah um yeah and it's crazy because uh i didn't realize how dangerous nursing was like from the outside world like nurses get attacked all the time or you know victimized and those kind of things my sister is a nurse and she's been doing it she did in the military now she does it as a civilian and she's actually like the rape trauma specialist in her area so she goes around so anytime someone has like a rape she lives in north carolina so it's like really small so they have like one rape specialist for all of that area and it's her she has to come in and do the rape kits and to me I'd be like the hardest

thing for me would is every time you have to get the consent you know like I think that'll be hard yeah you know like I'm about to do that now is this okay I'm about to do this now is this okay and it's like I get why you want to do it but it still seems a little difficult have you ever been in a situation like that we had to deal with somebody who was just assaulted um luckily i haven't because i've been working mostly inpatient but we're working the ed that actually is a sexual assault nurse and she deals with that yeah and yeah um and sometimes it can be tough too i mean you you always offer it you know like we got a patient one time who was obviously assaulted you know because the signs were there but she refused the kit you know so like i mean what can you do but yeah so you're like the first responder like they go to you and then you seek out for therapy for them when they get out

on the outside so like i said i'm a i'm a specialized in psych so even if i work in the ad i sometimes I'm the first responder if they're like strictly a psych patient but how it works right now is a patient comes in and they go like into a triage so that's really like they're sent to like we see how critical they are and what they come in for so usually usually if it's like a sexual assault, then they get sent to like a medical nurse and then they get assigned to an SA nurse. Yeah.

And I guess sometimes you don't realize that a person is at a psychotic break into the middle of like, you know, like you're not really pregnant. Yes.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, the reason I broke that up because I have a friend of mine, sister, who actually just went into a mental institution because she was saying she was pregnant and they kept doing pregnancy tests and they're like, no, you're

not pregnant. When it comes to find out she actually had some kind of tumor that was not only messing with her body but also her brain to make her think she was pregnant. It was really, really weird. The sad part is she ended up dying a few days ago

because the hospital sent her home without giving her any real treatment. They were like, hey, you need to go follow up with your primary care. And yeah, she passed away a couple days ago, but I think that's why what you do is probably so important so that things like that don't happen.

Yeah. Yeah. So do a lot of has there been instances where some of those patients that you may see come across your path there end up becoming like people you see through your hobby?

Oh. Go through your to get, you know, seek out help assistance with your hobby aspect of things. um which is i it's good um i would say because and it would be on my part i feel like it'd be a conflict of interest like where i'm working and then be like you know what come to my app you know and also usually who come in the ed are like um in dire need of very professional help. What my app focuses on is someone who is needing support. For example, my app is not going to replace a professional

traditional psychotherapist. It's to be used with that person. it's like an enhancement tool yeah yeah yeah so now it's so i know the website is get hobby.com right is it the same for the app is it just get hobby oh so the app itself is just called hobby hobby and it's h-o-b-i just for the audience now what how did the idea come up for this app yeah so actually it's a funny story so actually not really i don't know whatever so i was trying to learn how to hula hoop that's how it all started um okay and i go to google and i google how to hula hoop so i watch a couple videos i'm

like oh you know what this is fun then i keep getting stuck in different like tricks and stuff and i was like damn i wish someone could teach me how to do this in real life because this sucks doing this online so i went to google and google like hula hooping schools near me and i found a circus school in Somerville and they were charging $80 an hour. I was like, wow, that's kind of pricey. It's kind of like up there. So I was like,

I knew someone in Boston or around me knew how to hula hoop. And even if they were a professional hula hooping teacher, they could teach me the basics at least. So that's where the idea came from. Like kind of like an Uber, but for skills, you know, like someone who knows something like can teach you just the basics.

Yeah. But I worked on that idea for like two years to go from like idea stage to like find a product. And he was out on the market and we kept getting a lot of mental health focused people joining the app. They got mental health groups.

I was like, you know what? I will go down that avenue. I gave him a couple life coaches on the app. Then from there, I was advised by a lot of people like, hey, you need to niche down. You froze on us. Huh?

Oh, am I back? Can you hear me now? Yes, we hear you now. Yeah. Okay, oh okay awesome sorry about that i was so worried um yeah so the last part we got was uh the final stage how you went from you know in two years it went to the final stage and then you cut out so i don't know how much talking you did girl yeah and it's okay i can yeah i don't mind doing it um yeah so yeah i was talking about how we're getting mostly uh mental health focused um probably was because of a mental health nurse i focus more on mental health topics in the app anyway so i got a lot of that crowd um

but yeah long story short um about three and a half months ago I was like you know what I'm gonna go full swing into mental health like I'll just niche it it'll be like a mental health thing because I as a founder I had a mental crash where I was literally so stressed and so tired because I don't know I wasn't passionate about skill sharing right so I was like you know what I'm just gonna do mental health that's what i like to do so even if it doesn't work out i'm literally doing what i enjoy so that's why i went like full swing like make your hobbies therapy yeah well i'm over here tripping over the fact that there is a hula hoop school it wasn't like a hula hoop school was like

a circus school but they had like all types of stuff yeah but now I'm over here thinking about how many things I want to learn to do that I probably could learn to do because it's out there for me I want a hula hoop now it's all in the hips go for it

it may even help my mental health I'm sure so i think to me i think the thing that's pretty cool about your app is that it uses everyday things that people do anyway and it teaches them how to use it for different coping skills basically right yeah yeah um yes But right now we're like not very big. It's very small. And I don't have like a lot of hobbies to offer. So like right now I focus more on like like writing, reading, writing for people to come and like like professionals to come and teach and offer classes or do those things on your app? Like, are you looking for people or is it a different you are? OK, cool. So if you're watching and she's looking for people, let's get some professionals to her. Thank you. Yeah. I mean, I think it's really dope. It's sometimes you never realize how just dealing with the simplest smallest thing can kind of change who you are period you know so it's like you know because you know you think

about you go to therapy and it is a traditional sense of therapy and we sit here for 45 minutes and i say what i gotta say and then you kick me out because my 45 minutes is over but i'm still not done saying what i got to say so you mean I just got to go home with these feelings this is where I feel like your app did come in handy you know because it's like I still need to release a little more let me go ahead and get on hobby

write this book about this professional who kicked me out after 45 minutes I just wanted to let you say that because um when I used to host like peer sessions like I met a couple people who were like you know what I literally pay a therapist um I know I take that back I have to be careful what I say here um but her specific therapist anyways she was saying that I pay all this money and he wasn't like, um, helping her very much, but she feels like she's a type of person who, and this was during like a group journaling session. So where we journal together and like refer i actually process things and like plan out my week with somebody and a couple people like where like you have like accountability as well you know

like a support group and someone to like keep you accountable oh you said that this week you're gonna go out and go for a walk like what happened you know i mean not not like a police officer like what happened you know you have to do this. But someone's like, just be there. Right, right. And that's all a support system. It's finding a support system. And really a place to feel safe. That's where it really all comes down to.

If I feel safe, then I can release myself. Yeah, I feel like traditional therapy is getting a bad name because all everybody wants to do is prescribe medicine. And where that does work for some people, it's like, how can you tell me off a 15 minute conversation that I got to take 13 different drugs? You know, it's like you came in and you saw me for five minutes and now, you know, I'm on Zoloft and Clonopin. Well, with my therapy, I don't get my drugs from my therapist, actually. She's not one to do that, but the one who does do the prescribing of the drugs is actually the doctor, my regular care doctor. Oh, your primary care doctor so i may care yeah so sometimes it's the therapist is just willing to listen and it doesn't want to push the the drugs so i don't know so i think that's why it's important to keep looking because there's somebody out there for you there's someone out there to help you with

your mental health issues you know kind of like you know mine and your experience was too different you know it was like i had was too different. You know, it was like, I had therapists, I had a therapist tell me one time that everything I ever went through in life was my fault. I was 16. And I was paralyzed from the neck down because I had Gideon Bray syndrome.

I don't know if you ever heard of it. And, um, he can't, and they, you know, this hospital sends around probably, you know,

someone in your profession, you know, it's like someone in the hospital and they just feel like, okay, he's a 16-year-old, he's paralyzed from the neck down, let's send a therapist in to go see him. And the first thing the dude told me was that, you're here because you put yourself here. I'm like, bro,

you're lucky I'm paralyzed from the neck down. Oh my gosh. I guess it's about to be a whole different conversation, you know? Yeah. So let's talk about some of the things that we can do on hobbies. So I know you said journaling. So how does that work? Wait, I'm sorry.

Just pitch a question one more time. So the journaling, I guess I was trying to go into the different uh like uh classes you're offering right now courses that you're offering right now on hobby um you said journaling is one of them um so is it everybody's on the same topic or you write about what you write about or how does how do you construct that oh yeah um yeah it goes like according to whoever is hosting like this session um okay so usually um there's like prompts put up you know like well anyway like first you enter the class you introduce yourself if you're comfortable you know you can put your camera on or off. It's really up to you. And then from there, the group facilitator will share the prompts

that they're going to go through for the session. And then from there, you go through each prompt individually, like with a couple minutes first for you to write out the answers. You reflect them right on a piece of paper or a journal. And then after that, if you don't finish, you can move space, finish it later. After that, you share. As a group, you can be as detailed as you want to be or like not share at all. And then get feedback and reflective.

I guess you get reflection from the other people in the group and the facilitator. Now the facilitator, is it someone in the group or is it someone outside the group? Good question. I guess they're in the group as well. For example, with the art therapy, an art therapist usually runs those groups so they will like give you prompts to like like an expressive type of emotional regulation and making sense like type stuff so she gives you a prompt like all right today we're gonna draw how we um gonna be drawing how we feel and stuff like that, like sadness and happiness, just bring it out in a form.

A lot of the prompts that people receive are mental health related? Yes. If you are an artist of any kind, does she give you direction artistically? Or or you just draw however you can draw yeah you just draw however you can draw like and the art therapists that I work with right now they

they usually just require like a pen and paper so you can come in like full swing with like paint and everything or just come in with like a pen and paper it's like it's not about the skill it's about just doing it yeah like i'm saying like hobbies you know like things that do make you happy yeah that's kind of the question i was trying to come up with but i'm so great at asking. I do cross-stitching myself. It's actually not cross-stitching from what I actually was told. It's more of like embroidering, which is a little bit more difficult than cross stitching and that is like my hobby that I've come to discover that has become a huge source of therapy for me and at first I didn't realize that it was

but it is very calming and peaceful and then you have that reward at the end so i feel like with your hobby and whatnot you can learn to dance and then there's that reward where you can paint that picture and then there's that reward so i feel like just having that simplicity of that, that tranquility of drawing or doing cross-stitching like I do, but then having that final product, whatever it is, learning to hula hoop, you know, learning that skill is also a reward in itself.

So I love so I love that you've come up with this idea kind of going back to the hula hooping though did you learn I did yeah honestly like so here's what happened actually after I came up with all this idea and all that it actually

diverted me completely from hula hooping so I basically I'm stunted this idea and all that, it actually diverted me completely from hula hooping. So, I basically, I'm stunted to where I was when I started working on this. It's been two years, so. So basically, you can't hula hoop no more.

Okay. What's the longest you ever kept a hula hoop up? I don't know. I get like three tries and then it's going to fall down. Mine's a second. Okay, so, actually, I can hula hoop up i don't know i get like three tries and then it's gonna fall down okay so actually i can hold a hoop but um and i'm just stunted but it's okay yeah you'll get back to it if that's what you want to do right if that's what you want to do you will get back to it i actually write a lot too that's a big form of therapy for me um is writing but i think it sounds like a lot of what you're offering is basically helping people get what they feel out yes yeah and using something

they like to do it so it's like you're tricking them a little bit yeah yeah that's that's literally exactly what um the whole point of of alternative forms of therapy is. Just when you can't see it, and it's stuck inside you. Also, the other thing too that people find very helpful, especially with journaling, if you put your thoughts on paper, and you keep a record like for example um like cbt type i'm sorry cognitive behavior therapy type journaling you like uh write down the i guess like the anxiety what happened before the anxiety like what triggered it and stuff like that and what happened after like how did you cope with it and if you keep doing that consistently you start to see like a pattern.

And then from there, you can make solutions or you can even come up with a plan before you're in the same situation. Right. Stop it before it gets to that point. So now on the app, is it like courses that are at a certain date time or is it something that i can do whenever i just have the time to do it or yeah i mean i guess oh sorry no sorry you're good all right no uh yeah like i said um it's at specific times in the month i try to do at least each type weekly um so yeah like every week there is one and i'm trying to make it so that so in the app you can request classes with a mentor so like if you see a teacher that you're like you know this person is pretty cool you know i'm gonna i want to like work with them one-on-one you can just message them and request a session with them so there's a bit of making your own time and also

there's scheduled sessions. Scheduled group sessions. Now let's talk about expanding your app. What are some of the areas you want to go into as you expand and as you grow? Yeah. Right now, the main one I'm trying to work

on is to make it a website available, like make all the functionalities in the app work on is to make it a website available, like make all the functionalities in the app work on the website because people don't like apps nowadays. I don't know. Cause of like the memory on your phone, you know, the space on your phone, because you don't want to like deal with that.

And the notifications. It's like the government's tracking you. And I was like, they're doing that anyway, dummy. Yeah. Yeah. Don't you have a social security number?

That's how they track you for real. Yeah. You know what I think would be really cool, though, on your app? Psychotherapy. So you should look into that. We actually have had some really, really good psychotherapists on our podcast. I don't think they aired yet, but they're going to. By the time people watch this, they have aired.

That is something that would be kind of cool on a hobby app. I don't know how you would fit it in, but I know I want to try it. I don't want to bark like a dog.

I don't want that kind of thing. I don't understand how that would work as a hobby though no I know I guess it wouldn't work as a hobby so it's just fine that you say that because when I was doing the platform

like in the beginning before I added the hobby aspect it was like a mental wellness skill right because again like In the beginning, before I added the hobby aspect, it was like a mental wellness skill. Right. Because, again, I think some of the mentors I've worked with for this, but someone asked me, so what type of people do you see coming to your app? And you have to know who comes into your app. And I found two different types of people.

One was someone who, I guess, probably goes to therapy or not and has a hobby that they enjoy and they want to explore that hobby as a form of like uh a coping skill right and the other type of person was on who had no idea about mental health you know just like oh you know what this was kind of cool so they check it out and then they like just land there um so i try to make bring value to both of them so someone who doesn't know how to cope in general it's not about mental health there's a topic or like a subsector called mental wellness skills so this is where i work with like a life coach um life coaches for example or therapists too um and they show people like general coping skills like for example if you're having anxiety just like the concept of like a pause and then take um deep breaths um just stuff like that so like there there is a a space for mental wellness skills that are not tied to a hobby

that's nice yeah you know i remember actually seeing that on your website now that you mentioned it and i left my notes at work and that was actually one of my questions now that you reminded me was i wanted to know more about what that mental health you know option looked like so glad you brought that up yeah Rebecca takes notes on every interview and then never uses them I do she never uses them right well I try not, and then I look like an idiot because I try to pretend like I'm not reading them. I have a bad memory. I have a better long-term memory than I do a short-term memory. Like, if we had this interview three weeks from now, I wouldn't need my notes

because I'd remember everything. Oh, wow. That's interesting. It's weird. She's weird. No, sorry, we don't use that word. I mean, it's okay to be weird. Yeah, it's okay she's weird no sorry we don't use that word okay it's okay to be weird it's okay to be weird and quirky

I feel like everybody is crazy so Hamida right Hamida am I saying it wrong you're saying it wrong honestly like it's okay like if you have an American accent sometimes you're going to come out as Hamida so it's okay. Like, if you have an American accent, it's probably going to come out as Hamida. So it's okay.

I know. As long as you don't say, like, I don't know, like Hamida or something like that, it's fine. I sounds like an E. Hamida. Hamida. Okay.

That's a good way, Rebecca. Okay, school be real quick. Hamida. I got it now. I do everything phonetically. If somebody, like, if I were to write your name down and I knew what it was beforehand, I would literally have written it down

with an E so that I knew that it was phonetically. Does that frustrate you when people don't pronounce your name right? No. It frustrates me because people always talk about Mika.

And I'm like, it's Mika. Mika. Can I speak to Mika? Like, nah, I don't live here. You know? But it's only because I feel like it's the most simple name ever. It's frustrating to me when they call me Rachel. I don't get

how Rachel comes out of Rebecca. It's R. Just saying. R and a C in there. Hamida, I wanted to ask, how do you keep up with your own mental health, especially while

trying to help everybody else with theirs? Yeah. That's a good question. I sleep. That's one of the things sorry i said that's what i would be doing yeah so honestly if i'm super stressed the first thing i will do you know what where's the bed i need to go on like oh like where's the space i can like literally just sleep it's weird but yeah it yeah it helps because sometimes life can be super stressful i guess like at work i can't do that so what do i do at work if i'm like super stressed i take deep breaths i guess and do a lot of like affirmations you know

i'm like you can do this, so what's one of your favorite affirmations? Huh? What's one of your favorite affirmations? Yeah. It's not really positive, you know, but I'll just say anyways, it's like, I tell myself, like, everything that

can go wrong, will go wrong, but that's okay. Right. So that's what I usually repeat to myself when things are going pretty bad. It's not negative either. I think it's real real. It's just real. Yeah.

Yeah. You will be okay. Like it's not the end of the world, you know, but anything that can go wrong probably will go wrong. I mean, your job has to be

stressful. Of course. Oh, yeah. Imagine a hundred of me. Right. Oh, my God. If you got her as a patient, you would know I'm a saint, okay? The Lord sent me down here himself

and handpicked me to do this will you be trying to escape like every five minutes crystal she was she was all day today all I heard is Micah

Micah and I'm like I can't even talk. Like, she's making me work, you know? We all work together at the same day job. Yeah, we have the same day job and the same night job together. We're hoping that this night

job gets rid of the day jobs. So I don't know who makes fruit roll-ups, but I feel like I promote a job enough. Offer me a deal. Okay. What do you do for fun? For fun, I do a lot of art.

I do a lot of painting. I like to watch I don't know if this is specifically very fun, but I like to watch I don't know if this is specifically very fun but I like to watch a lot of philosophy videos like stoicism I don't know like

self-awareness type stuff videos I like to hang out with my family my friends, you know, go out and try out restaurants, new places to eat. Yeah. I watched The Real Housewives of Atlanta. Yeah.

Because you don't got to think when you watch. He aspires to be one. Okay, I want to be the first Mel P told her. I should be able to be that. You should. You haven't brought that up in a while, so I'm glad that you are sticking true to it.

Yeah, I got to put it in there. Andy Cohen might come by and see this episode and then want to work with you, but maybe he'll think about letting me be the first male peach holder. That'd be interesting. I peach holder. That's interesting.

I'm trying to get some thoughts. Like, what you think? No, you don't think? No, you don't think? Okay. I mean, try it and see. I'm like, you know what? First of all, for some reason, I guess you

I don't know why they say housewives when they're all single but well we'll have that in another episode sorry I actually haven't watched Real Housewives of Atlanta or like Real Housewives of

anything really like how how badly would you say I watch it on a scale of 1 to 10 um okay I don't know I think it's a 10 all the way right like I love that show but I have my reasons number one I feel like it's a place I don't have to think

I can watch it and not think you know I don't have to I don't have to put mental capacity to this. Like, it is what it is. These girls are going to be whatever they're going to be for this camera. And sometimes it's cool, right? But the second reason is because it drives my mom crazy. And I make her watch it.

They love each other one second. Then they hate each other. They're talking about each other behind each other. I mean, come on. I grew up a girl i lived with that like high school i don't need it anymore well high school was one of the worst periods everybody high school the money they make for this bullshit sorry it's one of my soap boxes i'll get off it now i'm good let's get back to hobby and i think that when

we get off this you need to sign up and do some artwork or some painting okay is there an age group for your app that's a good question uh yeah yeah good question um so it's 18 and up so i yeah so it was 18 up um for a while because and that was because um the sign up for um like the mentors i guess was more like an automatic thing and they verified to like stripe and stuff but now it's I handpick the mentors that I work with and I do checks on them too. I still haven't started working with teenagers. I'm still working with 18 plus

people. Are you planning on working with younger? Just because I have a daughter that's in high school and she was actually in season 2.5. She does a lot of Boolean and she loves art. Yeah.

Yeah, no, yeah, for sure. Like, that's the plan. Because, like, when I was in high school, I wish I had a thing to go to after school, you know, at least like twice a week. Yeah. thing to go to after school you know at least like twice a week yeah and people who were also my age group not like adults you know like like people who are also teenagers would like um like a someone who knew what i was going through you know like a professional to like guide all of us you know like as a safe space that would have really really helped me a lot so i'm hoping that in the future i'm able to do that like schools or like the parents and stuff right maybe even target a particular

bullying session for teens who are bullied or whatever maybe i don't know yeah just thought no it is and then they young people like apps so your apps will be yeah my daughter has like her whole phone is not trying to give you ideas we over here trying to give you ideas to take over your business

bring them coming I'm going to see keep them coming I see it and you know we look at it, of course, like we would do. We have to research you. We can't just have you up here and don't know who you are. I'm thinking about how easy it would be to just be bored and get on the app and draw. Even though I can't draw a stick man straight, but whatever.

He's got a lot of talents, but drawing isn't one of them, okay? Micah can't have everything. And singing. I wish I could be the Mel Whitney Houston, but I can't sing worth a lick.

That don't make no sense. You got some singing courses? If you got some singing courses? If you got some singing courses, I will sing my trauma to you. You hear me? That's a good one. I would sign up for that one. I can't carry a tuna bucket either. Yeah. And then we

can make up songs about our mental health and sing about it. Even if you can't sing, I think it would be amazing. It would. That'd be dope. Okay. So when you get that, let me know and I'm going to sign up. Okay. No, seriously. We're a bunch of nuts here.

Is there anything that you want to tell our audience? Anything that you want to tell them about yourself and the app that you think is important that we didn't allow you to say because we're crazy? I mean, I guess check it out like feel free to check it out um like oh one thing i should say is it's very affordable so that was my whole goal for this like

to make it like um have an affordable introduction to mental health or an affordable supplement to traditional therapy because each session is $5 so then you get like a yeah so each session is $5 or I just started recently exactly you know just sacrifice that whopper and you know

go to mental health therapy and I saw that there were free downloads too, of one of the, like you, one of the, again, I wish I had my notes.

Cause I thought when I was downloading something on their workbook or something. Um, yeah, yeah. So, yeah. So like, um, there's a, like, something on their workbook or something? Yeah. So there's a question I work with who likes to put free workbooks in the app. So maybe that's what you saw.

The app itself is free. The website is free. You can just sign up and get the groups for free. It's just the sessions themselves that are $5. Or if you don't want to do that, people can do like $35 a month and you get eight sessions.

So it's like either way. Try to make it as affordable as possible. And nowadays, the deductible is $80 for one session. Yeah. I think it's crazy that mental health care is

so unaffordable. It's like you don't want us to do it. And that's why your app is important because it is affordable and it's dope and we're going to promote the hell out of it because we think it's awesome. Yeah. We kind of, we always

leave off with like a little silly question, right? So my little silly question is, no, it's really not that silly, but guilty pleasures, guilty pleasures. What's,

what's, what's a guilty pleasure? Something that you do like, or watch that you think if people know, they will like laugh at you. Oh, geez. You know,

if I say it to people, they're going to know, you know? That's right. Yeah. I mean, honestly, it came to mind. Huh? I was just going to say, mine was always Little House on the Prairie.

People laugh at me every time I say that. So there you go. And still laugh at her. Yeah. Yeah. I will check that out. I haven't watched that. It's so funny how you guys

all don't like each other's shows. You're like, no, don't watch this. I know. We have nothing in common, but we all love each other. It's crazy. We argue. We argue, we fuss, and we fight. I don't care.

So anyway. But yeah. But you're trying to get out of your guilty pleasure. I know. I side-swiped. I side-swiped your guilty pleasure. I'm trying to get out of it. Yeah. You caught on

but um yeah um must be something really bad you like the Spice Girls don't you oh gosh no

the Spice Girls are good though like you know but um you know like my guilty pleasures are very embarrassing to say like K-dramas you like K-dramas yeah I watch a lot of K-dramas you like K-dramas?

yeah I watch a lot of K-dramas I can't do it all that reading girl I ain't got time to read and watch I don't want to do something so my cousin it's really not that bad I know a lot of people into K-dramas

my cousin so my mom just had heart surgery so my cousin came to stay I work a lot so people in the K-dramas. My cousin, so my mom just had heart surgery, so my cousin came to stay because I work a lot. So my cousin came to stay with her. And the next thing I know, now my mom is watching K-dramas. They over there practicing Korean on each other.

I'm like, what the hell is going on? Have you watched the K-dramas? Because you watched the kiddie dramas? because you might get hooked and then it won't make sense but I really do have the issue with reading and watching so it's like I can only do one or the other

so if you know someone gets smacked I'm going to miss why they get smacked because I didn't hear it yeah and of course I meant read it but reading is hearing, so. Oh, Lord, Micah. He laughs at

himself, and it's funny watching him laugh at himself. You know what? You need to put me on your app and let me do a course. Okay. Actually, you know what's funny? I was searching for app and let me do a course okay actually you know what's funny i was searching for free sessions to put on the app because i had to search for them together and i found this guy who does um okay i'll get a few people who doesn't know that i checked out his class but um even bright he does laughing fit sessions so his thing is that you go into class

and just laugh as a form of therapy that is hilarious Michael would be great in there laugh is infectious and he can laugh at anything especially yourself I think everything is funny yeah he does

I had cancer and I laughed my way through cancer you hear me well we've heard the story in Brendan's book funny yeah he does i had cancer and i laughed my way through cancer you hear me he did well yeah we've heard the story and read this it was pretty bad but uh yeah i made sure i found time to laugh yeah i mean you have to it's either life is funny or god is funny i haven't figured out which one yet you know i'm still on my emotional journey and my healing journey so you on your healing journey where are you at on that these days ago look i'm getting personal now all right yeah i mean it's so recently i saw this video and they're talking about like healing journey, how it's not like, you know, like up and down.

It's like you go in a circle. So it might feel like you're going backwards, but really you're like, it's like a, like an onion layers. Right. That's how it works. And it makes sense. I feel like I'm backwards or like forward, but really it's a different experience like every time.

Cause I've learned from the past experience but where I am in my healing journey it goes back and forth honestly I don't know it's like you're still a work in progress yeah always a work in progress till death works in progress

definitely and the reason I ask that question is for our audience so that we're up here we're giving advice and we're telling people your mental health is important it's important to work on yourself it's important to learn love yourself it's important to do all those things but it's also let them know that i could say that but yesterday i thought i was fat and ugly you know what i'm saying yeah it's like you know i believe it i believe that i could be this positive person and i should be and i believe in happiness in this lifetime but kind of like you

said you know it's like what can go wrong will go wrong yeah i'm just gonna come out till the end of that laughing no no but so any last minute words anything that you want to tell audience um i think your app sounds amazing it's dope i can't wait to see where it goes we're going to check it out i mean five dollars a session incredible if you need a session we will pay for your first session okay reach out to us give you five dollars and we're going to send you to the app. Now, you got to pay for the rest of them. We're just going to get you hooked. Any last minute views

or words for our audience? The last minute words that I would say is, I guess because I'm going off the last question for like the healing journeys um is what i said to myself a lot is even if everything that will go wrong does go wrong um it's okay and even if you're getting 100 the best way way, it's okay. Just learn and move on.

And yeah. And life can be beautiful and scary at the same time. So, I mean, it's okay. Yeah, you can do it. It's like one of those dogs that are ugly but cute at the same time. That's what life is like. So, really, really dope. I know we brought up a couple of topics sexual sexual assault we talked about uh suicide and rape and those kind of things i just wanted to point out that if you're not safe and you're in an environment that you're not safe in please make sure you get help you can

simply do so without 9-1-1 suicide hotline is pound 988 I believe yes 988 okay I said it right alright cool and then but there are many methods as many people out there as many people that are willing to help you can hit the hobby app and I mean there's a method for

you start to try let's get into that healing space let's get into that safe space let's get into that safe space let's get into that love space so I just wanted to say that real quick we thank you so much for being on we look forward to seeing where your app goes

we're going to get you back on of course because I need you to tell everybody how I did the singing and how I was the best one in your class when you start that Rebecca any last few words for the people Rebecca did the singing and I was the best one in your class when you start that. Okay. Rebecca, any last words for the people, Rebecca? I don't,

but I too am looking forward to seeing where your app goes. I have a good feeling it's going to do well. And Crystal, go ahead and close us out. Definitely keep in touch so we can see if

it does go to a younger generation. Crystal, she's about to sign all her kids up. She's 18. Girl, as soon as you start working with adolescents, just send her a text.

Thanks so much for being on. We thank you guys for watching. See you next week. Peace, love, and blessings, y'all. Thank you for having me. I really appreciate the chat.