These Fukken Feelings Podcast© - Intuitive Healing: Amy Stein's Dance with Mother Nature | Season 2.5 Ep. 122

Episode Date: September 6, 2023

Send us a Text Message.Join hosts Micah and Rebecca on this touching and transformative episode of These Fukken Feelings Podcast, where they sit down with Amy Stein, a beacon of hope and resilience in the world of autoimmune conditions. Dive deep as they unravel Amy’s unique journey, one that transitions from being dismissed as "too sensitive" in her younger years to a woman bedridden and lost amidst a cacophony of doctors’ opinions. The very struggles that seemed to overshadow her life event...

you don't have to be positive all the time it's perfectly okay to feel sad angry annoyed frustrated scared and anxious having feelings doesn't make you a negative person it doesn't even make you weak it makes you human and we are here to talk through it all we welcome you to these fucking feelings podcast a safe space for all who needs it grab a drink and take a seat. The session begins now. What is up guys? Welcome to these fucking feelings podcast. I am Micah. Got my girl Rebecca over here and we're here with our special guest, Amy Stein, who we see Amy,

I'm gonna put you to work real quick. Right. Because I, I don't know. I had a really interesting day. Okay. Me too. But it ended up being like negative.

Like all of a sudden Lee, all these negative emotions came over me and I was so sad. And I need you to give me some breath work. We need to do something real quick to get this energy going because I can't be sad in this interview with you. Yesterday, I was actually looking over some of your stuff and I'm sitting there and I'm listening to your five minute breath work and I had my eyes closed and I'm listening to your words and I'm breathing and I kind of feel a presence around me and I kind of open an eye and I look over and my husband's just giving me this really weird, like, what are you doing? Look. And, you know, so it was very peaceful and I enjoyed it but he was really wondering what i know that

was doing oh my husband still wonders what i'm doing and it's 15 years later and he's like oh that that woo-woo thing that witchy thing you're doing oh oh that's so dope though i i like stuff when people don't feel like they have to be the same to be together you know it's like yeah no like i say that all the time like courage should be different right like choose what's best for you and and wear that right and i know you do like all this herbs and greenery and stuff right does that include weed no oh man sorry okay guys no i just i grow like so the thing is it's that, you know, people like seek out all of these different psychedelics and stuff like the weeds that people kill with pesticides are actually more medicinally potent than like anything you could grow or cultivate yourself. Right. So like, I have friends who are growing marijuana and I'm like, you know that there's like mugwort that just grows and you could smoke that. Like you could smoke mullein and all these things and you may have this, you know, this experience. And so that's what I'm trying to get people to do is to understand that the gifts that Mother Nature offers us and to actually use them and appreciate them rather than trying to kill them and creating more of a toxic environment for all of us.

And to just be at one with the innate wisdom that exists within us, but also in her. Okay. Right. That was your introduction. We didn't even need to let you introduce yourself. There's a lot more to it. That was pretty good. And I'm really glad that this is recorded because I'm going to be out here smoking all that stuff you said. They'll be like, dang. And look, two days ago, I wouldn't step in the grass because I'm scared of bugs. But now I'm out here with a magnifying glass. Like, is this mulling, girl?

No, the great thing to do is to wherever you live. Right. So I live in New York is to get a foraging book. Right. So I don't don't rely on Dr. Google. Like, don't rely on Google for things. Get an actual book that was written by someone who has been foraging for a long time and they'll have pictures in it. And you'll be able to know like, this is dandelion, this is chicory, this is mullein, this is mugwort, right? And so that's what I do. Like I use real books. I don't use Google because a lot of it is censored now too. And you don't get accurate information, but there's been so many herbalists, as long as we've walked this planet as humans, people have used plants for medicine and food.

So there's a lot of knowledge out there if you just pick up a book and check it out and see what it says. And then that might lead you on another little rabbit hole, right? There's so many different ways to ingest plants. You don't just have to eat your weeds. There's flower essences. There's essential oils, which has become very mainstream. There's tinctures. There's tonics. There's tea. You can make your own tea. But you always want to properly identify. So don't just try to teach yourself foraging. You actually want to learn from someone who's a master forager.

Like, oh, eat that thing. Well, it looked good. It was right. Yeah. Yeah. You don't want to do that. You don't want to do that because there are some poisonous lookalikes, right? So that's always my disclaimer. Like, yeah, eat your weeds, but know what you're eating. Make sure it's a clean environment, that there's not toxic spills, that it's not by a busy roadway. I have animals. I don't forage where my animals go. Like, you know, this common sense type of things, right? If you spray chemicals in your yard, you're not going to forage there. So a lot of farmers, organic farmers, they want people to take their weeds. So you can strike up a relationship with an organic farmer. I have a friend who's a farmer and we harvest on her pasture because we know it's clean. The animals

aren't there. She doesn't spray anything. And so if I need a little extra of something, I call her. Or I have friends who don't spray. And I'm like, hey, can I come get some more mugwort? You know? So it's, again, it's that idea of community, right? Which we've grown away from. And that we revere technology. And that's our community.

I know. And I was going to ask that, too. It's not real. Like, get a book. I don't have time to sleep. but when I'm supposed to read. Well, that's the thing, right? It's being aware of how you're spending your time and how you're living your life. Are you living it with purpose or you're living it mindfully? It's not just all about mindset, right? It's like, it's a whole body approach. It's the connection to spirit.

It's the connection to the body. It's listening to the messages from the body. Not like you said, like feeling your feelings, right? It's not pleasant. It's not fun. But when we don't do it, we actually create more stress on the body, which leads to disease, illness, and pain. Which I guess a lot of people know. I feel like I've been through all that. Now I'm learning, like, you know, because I decided I was tired of paying for therapy. So we're going to start a mental health podcast. And let them tell me, I mean us, how to heal yourself. But before we continue going forward, I feel like people are probably watching now, like we missed a whole bunch. And that's because I didn't let you properly introduce yourself. So tell us who is Amy Stein?

Okay. So I am a person who suffered from chronic illness and disease for a really long time. And I had to go against the grain and do something different in order to get better. And that looks different. And it looked like woo-woo and this whole thing to other people, but actually it was something that saved my life. It was something that I now teach other people because the connection to mother nature, the wisdom that exists within her also exists within us. And when we have that connection to her, we can learn from her. We can learn resiliency. We can learn to be strong. We can learn to be different and it feels okay. It doesn't feel as bad when we actually have the courage to feel our feelings and our sensations

and speak about what our needs are. It's really powerful when you can have that support in that community. You can build it yourself, right? Like the Field of Dreams movie, build it and they will come. A lot of people say like, how did you find these people? I didn't. I just started taking the small steps and I'm a firm believer that the universe will kind of lead you with the breadcrumbs, right? So I started out in Western medicine. I believed in it. I was raised in it. I worked in it. I worked with chronic pain patients. And then I began to resemble my chronic patients who were geriatrics. They were 65, 75, 80, and I was 25, 26, 27. And I thought, what is going on here? I'd always experienced messages from my body, but I didn't know what they meant.

I just tried to numb them, which is that's what we're taught in our society, to numb them, to push them down. They're not real. You can't see them. They don't exist. And actually, they are real. It's energy, emotion. It's your body giving you messages because it wants you to feel something so that you make the change, you do something different. But we actually don't do that in our society. So

that creates more of the imbalance, more of the disconnection. We walk around numb from the neck down. We don't feel our feelings. We don't feel our sensations. We numb out, we use addiction. We have an epidemic of chronic illness and mental illness. And that's why I'm doing these interviews to let people know that you can do something different. You don't have to do the mainstream route. You get to choose. I don't see why we're doing this podcast for the same reason, that it doesn't have to be about medication and psychiatrists and not saying that people don't need that. You know, to me, you determine your method. It's all up to you, right?

But to know that there's more than just those two methods that exist. Absolutely. And I feel like, Amy, you read my book already because everything you was describing was me. So we're going to talk about this later, girl. So you've been fine. You book a session. We're all over it. Right.

Because I actually, it's like, you know, I've been through chronic illness. I had cancer when I was 16. I had Guillain-Barre syndrome. You know, just, I was the sickly child. I still am the sickly child. And I try to do a lot of, I try to be positive and stuff, but I got an issue with green things. You know, and I think it i think vegetables yeah i think like textures so it's like number one i'm terrified of bugs okay i'm a little bitch i get it right

but a bug will make me leave my whole apartment i don't care how big it is um except for i woke up with a caterpillar in my bed the other day so let's talk about how that happens when you like unroll the cover and what's sleeping next to you is a caterpillar right it might turn into a butterfly though which means transformation i did and that's what i'm saying so i did say that at first i thought it was a centipede because to me i was like there is no way the little caterpillar is gonna be and and i'm like these centipedes are fast right so i thought it was gonna get me but when um i went to move with the little hump thingy and i was like yo it is a caterpillar so that's what distinguished you between a son of a caterpillar

because i don't know bugs they usually always just die except for spiders i like spiders it's the most they eat other bugs yeah they're good okay so maybe that's why i like them see my body does things naturally without me knowing right and that's that's the thing. We don't trust that, right? Because we're taught to just live in the mind that it has to always be logical, but the mind is just part of the body. And actually every action is driven by the body. So I feel thirsty. My body is telling my brain that. That's not my brain telling my body. My body is telling my brain that right so it's like i say that healing is a process of unlearning because you have to unlearn everything that you've been taught before right it's radically different and it doesn't happen overnight and it's not linear right it

doesn't go a to b to c it goes like a to z to t to l to f like it looks like a toddler drawing question mark right right and there's like all these things going on and you're like what is the T, the L, the F. It looks like a toddler drawing. Question mark. Right, right. And there's all these things going on and you're like, what is going on? I thought I already dealt with this. Why is this back? And that's why it feels like you kind of

are never making improvements because it's like three steps forward, two steps back, like the Paul Abdul song. I quote that all the time. I'm like, two steps forward, two steps back. I'm a tagger. You must be a fan. I'm a tagger just for you. I love Paul Abdul. But that's, I mean, it's really like read the children in the eighties. So this

is relatable for people to understand. Right. So when you can break it down in real terms that people get rather than like all this medical science, the thing is, is that what I do is ancient healing based upon 5,000 years of science, right? But modern day medicine is not caught up to it. So it's still viewed as woo-woo and like quackery, but it's something that that's what medicine was up until 200 years ago in our country. And that's what medicine is all around the world. But because we have this different society that is broken and a medical system that is broken that reveres pharmacology. I can't say that word today. I'm like drugs, drugs and medication for whatever reason I can't talk

today. And, and, you know, like treating the symptom and not looking at the body as a whole and not addressing the root cause and thinking the body is broken. So the messaging people hear is you're broken. I mean, that's what I heard as a kid. When I had, I could feel all these things and see these things that weren't there. I was labeled too sensitive. Oh, you're too sensitive. Oh, you're too difficult. Oh, you need to grow a thicker skin. Oh, you have too many symptoms. Right. And so like, it sets us up for this belief that there's something wrong with us, but it's not us. It's the system that's broken. Definitely. I see. For the last two years, for the last two years I worked on my brain, I guess, or my emotions more, I say my emotions. So I spent two years breaking myself

down completely, building myself back up emotionally because it was a lot of trauma there. But I do feel like my body is still broken because trauma lives in the body, not the brain. And the thing is, again, the brain is just part of the body. But like I did the same thing. Like I'm going to do neuroplasticity. I'm going to wire my brain, right? Why is it not working? Why are all these other people getting better?

I just went through that ECT. Yeah, that's the thing. If you're not taking the body along for the ride, you're not actually doing the healing. So you'll get to like, you'll get somewhere, right? Like you'll see something, but it won't be that full actualization because you need to doing the healing. So you'll get to like, you'll get somewhere, right? Like you'll see something, but it won't be that full actualization because you need to adjust the body

because it all lives in the body. So when you don't address the body as a whole, you're still kind of doing like piecemeal, right? Like it's not all connected. And that's why I tell people. How do you do that though? Like, how do you, I guess it's like, I'm conscious of my

body. Like I know I got fat, so I'm conscious of it, you know? But that's a negative. I got a stomach now. Right. Right. But seriously, like I'm conscious of it to know, like, I want to keep it clean or let me put socks on. I'm hot, I'm cold or my arm hurts or, but you know, it's like, I'm not. Are you actually spending time in the physical body though? Because most people don't, because it doesn't feel safe, right? Because in the physical body, we feel the pain. We remember things. We, we feel emotions. We don't want to feel. So people numb out. They dissociate. I do try to stay numbed out because since cancer, I have like a constant pain, no handsome pains, but it's always there. So I do live in my mind

a lot of times. Most people do because they feel it's safer, but it's always there. I do live in my mind a lot of times. Most people do because they feel it's safer, but it's that bad neighborhood that you're warned about all the time, right? Because it's a repetitive cycle of negative thoughts. And these negative thoughts are the same negative thoughts. It gets 85, 86, 87% of the thoughts are negative and repetitive constant on this stream. So how then can you change it from your mind? Well, that actually is positive for me right now. Like in my mind, me and Beyonce best friends. So I'm good. I got my head game is together. But now how do I still now learn? Or is it possible? Because I don't want to give away secrets, you know, unless you want to. But like, how is it

possible to like now take notice of your like body? You know, I feel like things are, I don't know. It's so hard. I don't know. You can answer. Sorry. No, it's okay. It's, it's doing the, it's doing the somatic practices, right? So body-based practices, whatever that is, that feels good for you and building safety. So like being in a trauma informed lens, it's all safety is the first concern for anything, right? So your safety and my safety. So we're working virtually. So I feel safer. I'm in my environment. My dog is next to me, right? Like I know exactly where I am. I can reground myself. You're in your environment. My dog is next to me. Right, right. And so that's the thing is establishing safety is the first level. And then when you feel safe, then we can bring awareness back to like, okay, we're in the body. Can we take three deep breaths? What does that feel like? Like actually deep breaths with a buddy, the belly actually inflates on the inhale, and then deflates on the exhale. Like that is a full breath. We don't do that in our society. We breathe very shallowly or we hold our breath because we don't want to feel things. Right. So it's like, it's taking

those time to actually be physically in the body. So whether that's doing a yoga practice, whether that's doing breath work, whether that's doing, I do Qigong and Tai Chi, right? So that feels good to me. You could do a Donna Eden does her Eden energy medicine. You could do, she has a 10 minute routine. That was something I started with years ago. I still do that. So you gotta be quiet during this stuff. No, that's the great thing is like you can vocalize because vocalizing helps to move the energy. Right. But it's again, it's being in the body. Like what is the body trying to tell me to do? Oh, it'd feel really good right now to have a dance party. Let's have a dance party. it'd feel really good right now to have a dance party. Let's have a dance party.

It would feel really good right now to yell. Let's yell. That's what I do. I step outside and yell. These know. Yeah. I was like, I'll be back. I'm going outside to look like an idiot for 12 minutes.

No, that's fine. It's, you know, there's a value in that because you're getting the energy out. So you're actually expressing it. You're actually feeling it rather than just stifling it and keeping it stuck inside the body. But again, it doesn't happen overnight, right? Like this disclaimer, again, healing is hard. It's not linear. It doesn't go A to Z. It's all over the place. And it's something that you have to be disciplined about. Like you have to show up for it and you have to stay dedicated

to it and understand that it's more about being than doing, right? So like we make it harder than it needs to be. So a lot of the suggestions I make to people are like, oh, that's too easy. Yes, simple in theory, but it may not be easy because you're actually not going to do it. Right. And so the idea of we overcomplicate a lot of things around healing, mental health, emotional health, physical health, when the body is designed to do these things, but we get in a way with it. And we sabotage it all of the time because we think in the brain, we know better, but we don't. So again, it's that unlearning of like being curious rather than having judgment or expectation of what this is supposed to look like,

what I'm supposed to be doing, what's supposed to be happening. It's the curiosity of, well, what could be right about this? Dr. Kim Duramo, she's a big energy medicine practitioner. She talks about that all the time. Like just being in the body for those three deep breaths, feeling what comes up and rather than judging it and having shame around it and blaming yourself or having guilt or whatnot, what could be right about this to reframe it? And again, if you don't get an answer, that's okay too, because that's normal. Again, it's a practice. We keep showing up for it. But what's great about breathwork is there are no rules. You kind of do whatever feels good for you in that you can yell, you can move, you can shake. You don't have to sit in one position. A lot of times there's a lot of movement.

When I do workshops, I start with movement first. Plus it makes people a little more comfortable. Like, oh, I'm in my body. Okay, this is, all right. All right, they get used to it, right? So then when I set them down for breath, they're like, they're already in their body. And then, oh, I'm just breathing.

That's my responsibility. See, all this sounds really, really good, but I'm so nervous you're gonna come out your mouth and say I gotta exercise. No, well, you're going to come out your mouth and say I got to exercise. No. Well, you do need to move your body for health, but I'm not. Yeah, I don't listen. I walk.

Yeah. I'm like, listen, I garden. That's my exercise. And I walk. And that's about it. But I walk in the woods. I take the dog to the woods. I take the dog to the beach.

Right? So, like, what feels good for you? So, I'm not the person that's going to say you have to eat this diet. You have to do this thing. That's not for me to say, because we all have different experiences. And we all have different needs. It's what feels good for you? What are you going to be able to maintain? And it's taking those small baby steps that feel manageable to the system. Because if it's something that's too big, like, oh, I need to lose 10 pounds in a week, that's never going to happen. Because you're just your body is not going to want to do it. And so the body is designed to heal, but it's also designed to keep you safe. So if you say, I'm going to lose 10 pounds in a week and I'm just going to do like

a juice fast or whatever, the body is going to shut you down. You're going to be in the bathroom all week. You're going to feel awful. You're not going to be able to leave the house and you're not going to lose that weight because whatever the event was you wanted to go to, you won't be able to go to it because you'll be so sick. Right. So it's taking those small manageable steps that feel sustainable to the system and work on building safety in the body. Okay, body, I know that this is what I want to do, but I know I need to take like this really small micro step first. And then this next little micro small step. And then we celebrate those micro small steps. We

celebrate the small wins and let the body know like, Hey, I'm here. I'm showing up. I'm paying attention and I'm trusting you to lead me through this process. Simple, but not easy. Definitely. Yeah. It sounds simple. It's like, Hey, it starts with a breath. Yeah. I saw on your website that like the number of different things that could help uh that you know with the mind body spirit um and breath sessions that uh amy sessions amy we go through this every time right i'm about to put on blast because she writes down these notes right and I'm reading it though. And then she doesn't want to like, just read your note, Rebecca.

I am. I'm reading it. Mind, body, spirit, and breath session. Those help with a lot of different things as you were already discussing, sort of. But there was this huge list. Yeah. It's basically everything. It can help with everything because it's bringing you back to yourself.

It's bringing you back to the wisdom that exists within you. And I use mother nature as the guide because that's what inspired me. And that's what has inspired people for thousands of years. So I don't use technology. I don't review your technology the way other people do. Like I don't, I don't because it doesn I don't review your technology the way other people do. Like I don't, I don't because it doesn't feel good to me. And it's something that it actually causes disease and imbalance to the body with all of these radiation, the radio frequencies, the EMFs,

the electromagnetic frequencies, the 5g, the smart meters, the wifi. I mean, I could go on and on and on all of these things. You just described a hundred things that are around us right now. Yeah. And that's the thing. It's very damaging to the system, to the DNA, to all of the systems, right? And so it's pervasive in our society, but you can choose to not live like that. Everything in our house is hardwired. We don't have Wi-Fi. We don't put it on. We have a router that does like you can shut off the Wi-Fi. So we never have Wi-Fi in the house. So I sleep without any electricity in my bedroom because I'm sensitive to that. Right. So like but you can put your router on a Christmas timer and it goes off at 10 o'clock every night because sleep cycles 10 p.m.

to 2 a.m. is when your body does all the detoxification processes. So if you're not sleeping, then it can't run those processes. So again, you're like causing another level of stress to the body. So we have, you know, you could put on a Christmas timer. It goes off at 10 p.m., comes back on at 8 a.m., right? Like you don't, you need to be sleeping. That's really important. You need to be sleeping. And so if you're not getting good, solid, restorative sleep, your body can't heal. So there's things that you can do. I need white noise. Right. Well, I have, we use batteries. I know it's crazy, but like we do too. We do a sound machine because it keeps the dogs calmer and, but we put batteries in. Oh, so batteries are okay. Yeah, it's not plugged in, but nothing

is next to my face. Nothing is next to my head. My phone is on the other side of the house. We have no TV in the bedroom. I think you have to sleep on the phone. Yeah. No, no. Yeah. I mean, but that's most people, right? So like I'm in the minority. I understand that. That's what I need to do. Does everybody need to be that rigid? I would argue yes, but people aren't going to do that. It's not practical for them, right? But you can take those changes. You can do the timer on your Wi-Fi router so that your sleep, you're not getting radiated the entire time. You can move the phone out of your bedroom. People are like, I'll use it as an alarm clock. Go buy an alarm clock. How about if it's at Alexa? No, it's

giving off radiation 24-7. Oh, but she's plugged in though. It doesn't matter because she works on Wi-Fi. And she's connected to all of your devices. She's connected to all your devices. So that's sending radiation constantly. Just like the smart meter. We're going to try some of these things,

but we're just not going to try it when you normally watch our episodes, okay? So listen to Amy, except for the hour that you use to watch this podcast. Right, right. My disclaimer. Yes. Good disclosure. That's a good note.

You're kind of like... No, I mean, the thing is, it's finding that happy medium, right? So for me, I'm extremely sensitive to those things. So I have to be really mindful of them. Other people may think that they are not, but I would argue, try it and see what you can experience the difference in your body, right? Like, so try for five days, eliminating dairy, try for five days, illuminating conventional. Like, see what happens, right? Like, there are things that you can do. Again, if it's in small doses, it's five days. It's five days. Try something different for five days. Now, is this something kind of you always believed or kind of made sense to you later?

I guess in your story, you said you actually worked with patients. You were filling like them. Yeah. No, I mean, I was on the standard American diet, the sad diet, like everybody else, right? Like I ate week came from the grocery store. That's what I ate. We always had a garden growing up and I always had a garden as an adult, but you know, I

eat processed food. I eat packaged food. I didn't have a lot of time. I didn't really know how to cook. My mom cooked. I didn't really know how to cook. Uh, when I got sick and was bedridden, I had to know how to cook. My mom cooked. I didn't really know how to cook. When I got sick and was bedridden, I had to learn how to cook. So like, I advise having some cooking skills before it gets to that point. Because otherwise, it's like you're starving. You're

really ill. You don't know what you can eat. You're living in the bathroom all the time. So like, there are things that you can do to set yourself up for success now before you're desperate like I was. Before you're at rock bottom, before your whole life is falling apart and you don't know what to do, right? There are things that you can, there are steps that you can take to manage your toxic load. Like that's the first thing I always work with people on is managing the toxic load because you're not even aware of how many toxins you're exposed to in the environment. So, you know, the water you drink is dirty. The air you breathe is dirty. Inside the house is strategically dirtier than the outside of the

house, unless you're in a wildfire situation, right? So the things that we call food is not real food. It has no energetic component. It's not alive. It's dead. It's processed. It's filled with chemicals and dyes and harmful ingredients. Fake meat is harmful ingredients. I'm fortunate I have friends who are farmers. We have pasturized meat we can get from them. We have pasturized chicken we can get from them. But I don't eat out because there are no restaurants that will... There was one and it closed and we were very sad. But who are not cooking cleanly right so they're using these no i'm not starting a restaurant i tried just to hook you up there is no way i go

to bed at nine o'clock there's no way i can i can own a restaurant you sounded like a new yorker right there like you know you're crazy no no no way i know my new york accent probably came out well where in new york are you i'm don't know. I'm on Long Island. Oh, so you went like that. Where in Auburn? The Hamptons. Yeah. Okay.

That's where I am. We're upstairs. So that's the thing. It's like you would think that there would be restaurants out here that would cater to eating healthy living. And there really isn't. And that's what's sad. In that the area I live, you would think there would be things like that and there isn't. And so I cook every day and I've prioritized having healthy meals. It doesn't have to be complicated, right?

Like today I roasted some kale and it's 100 degrees. I roasted kale. I had some cauliflower gnocchi and some organic chicken sausage. That's our dinner. It doesn't have to be hard. Yeah, like it doesn't have to be like 75 different ingredients. Like I cook very simply. And it's nutrient dense food. It's food that is going to feed my body. It's food that I'm not going to have reactions to, right? It's food that is actually, my body's going to recognize as real food and not as another toxin, another chemical. It's like, oh, this is actually helping us. So it's actually going to contribute to better sleep. It's going to contribute to better healing

and health. And my body's going to be able to do what it needs to do because it has the ingredients that it needs. So that's what it is. Like, I'm not telling people you need to do all these things and make your life harder. You find the ways that make it work for you, right? So like a lot of times I batch cook, I make this, you know, multiple amounts of the same recipe and I freeze it. So if there are days that I don't feel good or I have a lot going on, I pull it out of the freezer and it's there, right? And like there are some times I just eat a salad because it's a hundred degrees. I'm almost going to eat a salad, right? And so it's again, working with your body and keeping a food journal, right? So if you do something for five days, I'm not going to eat gluten for five days because that's another inflammatory food. So gluten is literally in everything. And there's 35 different

words that mean gluten. So if you don't know how to read labels, you think you're avoiding gluten because you're not eating pizza or pasta. You're probably still eating if you're eating processed food or condiments because they all have gluten in them, right? So like that was another thing that was really important is I had to learn how to read labels because toxins are everywhere, not just in food. They're in your, your cleaning products and they're also in your personal care products. So on average, a woman who leaves the house puts 150 chemicals on her body before she leaves the house before 8am. Speaking of, we learned that you may have made your own products? I've been making my own products for a long time. I just launched the Etsy shop in May.

Okay. It's nice. It's Violet's Bewitching. It's with plants that I grow on my own property and original formulations that I created for my own healing. And then I added like other metaphysical type ones for friends who had metaphysical shops. But it was formulas I created for my own healing. And then I added like other metaphysical type ones for friends who had metaphysical shops, but it was formulas I created for my own healing that I used myself for many, many years. I shared with friends and family because I could control the ingredients. I could

control exactly what was in it, how it was made, how it was kept, right? So there was no mold issues. It was regulated properly by me. So I knew exactly like what went into it. I could source if I didn't grow myself, I could source from ethical organic growers who I knew exactly how they were growing and what they were growing. Right. So it doesn't have to be that complicated. Like you don't need to make everything yourself, but you need to know how to read labels because a lot of greenwashing happens. And so these companies that started out, I will not name them that were small companies that actually were making products correctly. The big corporations saw they were making money, bought these products and then change the ingredients.

So the front of the products may look the same, but the back is completely different and it's filled with all toxic chemicals now. So you think you're still buying that chapstick. That was great. And you're putting it on and now you're putting chemicals on your body where before you weren't. Maybe what you tasted earlier when I kissed you. We actually had a guest on a few episodes ago, Samantha Landers or Sam, my girl Sam,

but she said, if you can't pronounce it, don't eat it. Don't use it. Don't definitely don't put it in your body and don't put it on your body. Right. And so like, they'd be mindful of what you're ingesting, but that can also be what you're visually ingesting. It's like, I don't spend a lot of time on social media, maybe five minutes a day, because like today, this is what has set me off is people are posting how their dogs had cancer and my dog has a growth and I started freaking out. I'm like, Oh my God, my dog has cancer. I'm like, this is why I don't go on social media.

This is exactly why you don't want exactly. And it's like, it causes you to be triggered. You like start to spiral and then your whole day is shot. Like the whole day I was worrying about my dog and I'm like, Oh my God, there's something wrong with her. Right. Like I don't watch the news because it's negative. It's toxic and it's biased. I don't watch it. Right. Yeah. I gotta pay these taxes. I gotta pay them. If I don't pay them, I don't gotta pay them. Right. Like I'll find out what I need to find out if it's really relevant.

Right. And so it's being mindful of what you're taking in, what you're, you know, if you're watching violent TV, if you're watching violent movies, like, I don't do that because my system is already sensitive and I'm not going to cause more activation, more triggering to my system, right? So I watch just... I am not giving up the Real Housewives of Atlanta, okay? But if it's funny to you, that's fine, right? But if it's like... Everything that was sounded good. You was about to

have me on board. No, no, no. I can... Like, so some people watch that as entertainment. They think it's funny. It's if you're watching, like, a violent film or, like, a video game where I can like, so some people watch that as entertainment. They think it's funny. It's, it's if you're watching like a violent film or like a video game where everyone is dying. Right. And there's like blood and gore and all this stuff. And you could, you could watch things like that. And you can actually work with your nervous system while you're watching. If you feel like you're being activated or triggered, you could again, like put one hand on the belly, one hand on the chest. I'm here, body. This is not real life because the body doesn't know the difference between what's real and what's fantasy. So it sees you watching that and it thinks you're in that video game and that you're getting shot at. And so it's preparing you. So then you go into that fight, flight, freeze or fawn state, right? So then you're creating another level of stress on the body. You're creating this reaction that is not allowed to be processed.

Cause again, you're like, oh, that's not real. But the body doesn't know that. So the body, what the body decides is a trauma is not logical. It's not like, oh, this thing happened. So that should be traumatic. The body's like, nope, this is traumatic. That's it. Like it's trauma is a response to a stressor.

It's not the stressor. So Mike and I could have the same experience. I could create trauma in my body and he could get away and be fine and process it out and he has no issue. Where me, it becomes stuck energy. It leads to chronic pain, illness, and disease, right? So we don't understand these things because we're not taught about them. So I'm really good at letting things go. Like, that's kind of cool you said that because I'm like, you kind of described me a little bit right there. Cause I'm just like, eh,

okay. You stabbed me, whatever. You're forgiven. I didn't die. I'm sorry. You can do it for me. You did it for you. I get it. Um, but I wanted to ask cause so honestly right now you're probably like my, my favorite guest that we had on so far. Thank you. Oh my God. It's so nice of you to say. I know. I don't know if Rebecca feels the same way. No. I just can't believe he said that. I haven't told anybody that. Thank you. I feel so honored. You're like my friend Amy, right? And I'm listening because I go through a lot of body

ailments. I go through a lot of sickness, those kind of things. Like I kind of really do have like my mind and emotions. I feel like under control a little bit. I know when I'm uncomfortable. I know when I need to pick myself up. I know what I need to do to stay in my peace is what I like to call it. I found peace. And now I decided I never want kids because I found peace. Right. No, that's me too. I'm like, no kids, we have dogs. Right, right.

Because I know that, yeah, but I don't know. And then when you started on this electronic stuff, I started to question our friendship. And I was like, because I sleep with the 14th. Just trying to help you. It's always a suggestion. It's always just a suggestion. Three laptops by me.

Four phones, two computers, and a car. No, but really, seriously, i guess i'm talking about food though i have like a texture issue i'm like a really funny people i don't eat nothing green because i don't like the texture of it so i really don't eat salads vegetables those kind of things i'm really funny about meat so it leaves me with carbs like that's my dinner like carbs like i'll eat meat but it has to be like extra super burnt like i gotta be jerky like i want to know it's dead you know and then i'm like mostly limited to chicken that's how people i'm a chicken terrier you know but it's like i know because my body lets me know quickly when it doesn't want i'm a person that's gonna throw up okay i eat something

and i don't like it that's why i really don't like go to people's house because of like if you try to feed me something my body body just doesn't tell me quick. I'm not one of those people that can hold it and then go home and Rebecca never got to know that her chili was nasty. No, Rebecca would know that day that her chili was nasty. That's why I bring my own food everywhere. I don't eat it. I do essentially listen to my body. I always had people tell me, you do things do things naturally that's, like, weird.

Like, I'll stop eating. And people are like, why you stop eating? I'm like, I'm full. And they're like, well, most people will try to finish it. Like, it's two bites. Right. And I'm like, no, but I can't take the two bites. But I guess how do you, like, how, I don't know.

I feel like that's my issue. Like, my issue in trying things sometimes is it's going to be hard, like you said, but because of how I know I'm going to react to it. Like, hell, I can't eat nothing green. I was just thinking. But what if you didn't have that reaction? What if you try something different and you didn't have it? Right. So what if it's, what if you're taking the experience forward of this always happens and you're coloring what could happen in the future? Right. So it's not just always mindset. Like everyone's like, Oh, it's all mindset. So it's not, it's not, but mindset is a part of it. But if we're just like talking to the body, like, Hey buddy,

we're going to try this thing. And it's only going to be like one P. I'm just going to have one green P and see what happens. Right. Or I'm just going to, you know, I'm just going to have like, I don't know. I'm I like broccoli, but most people don't like, I'm just going to have one, I don't know. I like broccoli, but most people don't. Like, I'm just going to have one piece of broccoli and see what happens. Right? Like, I'm just going to be curious about it. And yeah, so maybe I gag.

Okay. But maybe the next time I do it, like, it's kind of like exposure therapy. Maybe the next time I do it, I don't gag. I used to hate Brussels sprouts when I was younger. Right. Because your taste will change. Yeah, that's the thing is like so when you your taste change but also when your body experiences what it needs it will actually

flip that switch in your head and it will tell you I want more of this and then it will actually start to like you'll crave those foods right so it's also the food we eat, again, is chemically processed for us to be addicted to it. So sugar is a drug. And it is causing massive inflammation in the body. It's causing massive amounts of disease. I mean, it is like... You know, even the way they're made. We were having this conversation the other day about M&Ms, how they're like crunchy.

Oh, yeah. Like the dyes. I'm like, I can't even. It's made like that so that you can get it to the field you keep eating it right like just like you can't have one chip that's crazy right and that's the thing like it's all yeah it's all marketing ploys you keep coming back to it and i'm so mad that i can't think of one i should be right but so if you can like begin to work with that

I'm like yeah I know in the past this is what happened body but let's just be curious and see if we try something different right like what if I just try it this way what if I roasted my kale what if I massaged it with olive oil what if I made kale chips like whatever right like whatever that is whatever feels like

the least resistant vegetable I'm not gonna see you massaging some kale now. You might've been on to something. Well, you know, the thing that runs through my mind the most when I hear anyone talk, tell us or talk to us about the benefits of different, I'm going to say diets, not actual diets, but just the regimented meals, I guess. I often sit and reflect upon how I eat throughout my day. And I just always think about how much strength it must take for a person to eat so incredibly healthy. And I'm going to say strength. Rebecca's like, I can't wait to take another bite of my Laffy Taffy. Yeah, I know.

Because I'm like, how do you- But the thing is, when you experience how much better you feel when you stop eating those foods, it's no longer like, I don't have those cravings, right? Like I grew up eating all that stuff. I mean, I ate all that stuff until, you know, 10, 15 years ago, right? Like I grew up eating all that stuff. I mean, I ate all that stuff until, you know, 10, 15 years ago, right? So it's not like I never ate that. I ate that stuff as a kid, but I always was sick as a kid. I always had stomach aches. I had migraines. I never felt well. And so when you experience what it feels like not to feel like that, you're like,

oh, this is great. Let me cut out more things more things right that's why we try with one food let me eliminate dairy let me eliminate gluten right so like that's a group of food but still like it's a food group it's not again it's not a healthy food group it's what we've been told is healthy but it's so there's so many levels to it and so many layers to it like that taste i went to this little like i got like this little chocolate place over here that was supposed to be like organic chocolate or whatever i don't mean i don't mean to be talking about you it was good to somebody but i just got like they were supposed to be like this piece of cake that had like nothing in it and i felt like i was legit eating a piece of dirt i was like oh hell no but that's because your taste is tailored to chemicals so when you stop eating the chemicals right so like i'm gonna i'm gonna tell you like full honesty the hardest

thing for me to give up was cheese because of the hormones in it it actually keeps you addicted and like i didn't i was like why is it so hard for me to give up cheese and again like 10-15 years ago like the dairy-free cheese like that was on the market was awful it was awful it tasted really bad but it's come a long way yeah like it's come a long way and that's the thing too is when you're when you begin to give your body what it's actually asking you for you will lose the craving and the taste for those you'll taste the chemicals like I I, I couldn't tell you, cause I haven't eaten any of that in a really long time, but from other people who have actually

done it, they're like, it was disgusting when I tasted it was chemicals or it was so sweet. I couldn't even eat that piece of cake or I had a migraine right after, or I had a stomachache right after. Right. So like you will, because you're in connection with your body, again, a process, right? Not overnight that you will be more mindful and aware of like, oh, I just had that cake and now I have like dizziness or I feel lightheaded or my heart is beating really fast or my stomach hurts and I feel like I need to go home or I feel really tired or, you know, like you'll be able to make that correlation. And that's all the body's trying to tell you. It's just the symptoms is not a problem. It's a message from the body to let you know, like you'll be able to make that correlation. And that's all the body's trying to tell you. It's just, the symptoms is not a problem. It's a message from the body. They let you know, like, pay attention here. There's something going on.

I'm trying to get your attention. And these symptoms. Or a reaction to like that recently, I'm trying to get healthier. So taking supplements, you know, everybody recommends supplements. And I was getting sicker and sicker and sicker. And it got to the point that I started to feel like i felt when i was like originally originally diagnosed with gillian gray syndrome and it was like what i'm going to the doctors they can explain it my fevers i mean i was getting like they were 104 like i was writing out a will because i knew yeah die but well that's the thing if we do too much too fast right and if we don't buy high Like I was writing out a will because I knew I was going to die.

Well, that's the thing. If we do too much too fast, right, and if we don't buy high-quality supplements, like a lot of the supplements on the market are not high-quality. They're filled with a lot of garbage, right? But like the label is like, oh, fish oil, but it's like rancid, garbage, right? So like I advocate if you're going to go the supplement route, I do take supplements. I buy them from functional medicine doctors who've created their own lines. A lot of these big corporations, again, bought out these small supplement companies that were made well, and now they're no longer made well. So it's pervasive throughout the system in our society of it's all about money. It's not

about you being healthy. So what it sounds like, I don't know if this is what happened, is you were going through like a bad detox because either you were getting rid of stuff way too fast or what you were taking your body was viewing as a toxin, not as something helpful. Because once I stopped, I got better. I don't know, something just thought about it one day, you know, I'm going to take them. And I was like, well, hold up. Hold on, maybe this was making me sick. Yeah. This is the stuff that was, you know, so I didn't take it. And then like, hold up. Hold on. Maybe this was making me sick. Yeah. That was, you know, so I didn't take it. And then like, it was almost like immediately I went from like being dead to like, and I'm like, and they got people taking this shit. Yeah. And it was like, but that's the thing. If you, we think more is better. And again, like, that's not true. And so, you know, I did this too. Like,

I'm like, Oh, I did this neuroplasticity. I'm going to do more of it. And I'm just going to take the supplement. I'm gonna do more of it. And I didn't get better. I got, I got sicker again. I was like, it's not working. It's not working. What am I doing wrong? Right. But it's this, we make it more complicated than it needs to be. So yeah, maybe you do need supplements because our food is not, even if you're eating real food, right. Food that has an energetic component to it that was once alive or is still alive, it's not as filled with as many nutrients as it used to be, right? Like the weeds have more nutrients than the stuff that's shipped in the produce section. So it's important to understand that not everything is for everybody.

What I take, I'm not going to tell someone else to take because we're all different. We all have different needs. We all have different experiences. But it's being aware of like, oh, maybe this would be helpful. So I'll try a little bit of it and I'll see how it goes. And I'll chart it. I started Omega 3s today from this company.

How did it go? Right? So it's, again, it's being in the now and being present with what's coming up. But it's also being aware of like, I'm choosing to do this company. How did it go? Right. So it's, again, it's being in the now and being present with what's coming up. But it's also being aware of like, I'm choosing to do this thing and I'm going to do it really mindfully and really slowly to not overwhelm my system, but to also not overwhelm my mind because the mind will tell a story that may not be true, but it's the same story that you've always heard. So you're like, oh no, of course that story is true. When somebody says something different, you're triggered

by it because you're like, no, that's not the story that I know. That's a different story. Doesn't mean it's not true for them or for you. Now what do you say to somebody who is like me right now? I am drinking your Kool-Aid, okay? That's great. But it's a little bitter.

Except for the electronics. Well, well okay i might be able to get rid of a cell phone or something uh-uh it's just the real housewives of atlanta if you could put on airplane mode and then if you could say like i'm gonna just watch my real housewives from to nine o'clock and then from nine to 10 I'm going to take a bath. Or I'm going to read a book. Or I'm going to do this breath thing. Or I'm going to listen to some Hertz music. Or some binaural beats. Or the Calm app.

Yeah. I can do anything. He sets his mind to. He is an incredible guy. But I got to tell you. Him getting rid of electronics. Of any kind. Maybe he can cut out an iPhone. He has two phones.

He might be able to set aside one phone. Well, maybe, you know, again, that could be one of the last things you do, right? Because maybe that for you, like that's really hard. So that's not the first thing we would tackle. Well, you know what? It's kind of funny because I was basically talking myself out of,

you know, the stuff you were saying. I was over here like, eh, she was my favorite guest, but she not. But then... I'm going to edit that part out where I called her my favorite guest. That's it.

That ain't it. She over here talking about, I can't handle laughing taffies and I got to let go of my cell phone. Like it was talking about, I can't handle laughing taffies and I gotta let go of my cell phone. It's tripping. Then you were talking and you were just in the conversation and then you was like the breath. Then you got me again because I was like, damn, it's just

simple breathing. You've been doing it since birth. You see what you did? I try to make it approachable for people. It doesn't need to be hard. You take it and it's a small step for you, right? So like every session looks different for each person, but also with the same person,

each session looks different. We don't go into it with an agenda. We don't say like, what happened at age five? Go ahead. What does a session look like? So a session looks like kind of the conversation that we're having, but I start it first with breath because it gets people one in their body, two, they can feel what that feels like. And three, when they come out of it, they're like amazed, like, oh my God, that was just me breathing. Then they're more receptive to the suggestions I might make. And I'll say, hey, what's going on?

Like, what's your biggest issue right now? These are some suggestions I have for you, right? And I may recommend, hey, take this homeopathic remedy. Hey, maybe you want to look into this flower essence. And I give research behind all of it. It's not like just, hey, here's this Amazon link. I don't do that because I also don't want to support Amazon. But anyway, like I just want to support small businesses who are doing it right and are actually doing it for the right reasons, right? Like me, education and empowerment is my platform. Like I do this, I'm not doing it to get rich. I'm doing it for the right reasons, right? Like me, education and empowerment is my, is my platform. Like I do this, I'm not doing it to get rich. I'm doing it to help other people so that they don't suffer the way that I did, but that looks different for everybody. So it's like, I can see that some of it might be a little bit overwhelming, especially for maybe somebody like

me who, you know, I've struggled with a lot of different things like weight loss and maybe the breath work would be really great way to start for me because, you know, I, the breath work helps with mood balancing and mental clarity. And trust me, I need all that, you know, and I have my own issues with mental health and depression and anxiety and all that stuff. So it'll help with all that. But then, you know, you go into the, the, the food and how that'll better help your body and all the electronics and stuff. And all of that put together is just very overwhelming. So you're, are you able to like, we break it down into very small manageable steps, right? And what that is a small, manageable step for you. Because my small step that may be manageable for me looks very different for what could be manageable for you, right? So it's like, again, it's building that safety in

the body of like, does this feel manageable? Does it feel like something you could do for five days? Could you settle down to one iPhone at that time? Oh my God. And you have everything off on airplane mode. Like, could you do that for five days? I need to, I probably need to because I, you know, like just do like a, like make it a game. Like you and Rebecca are like, Hey, I'm going to challenge you. I dare you to do this. Right. And then you say, I dare you to eat something differently. Right. Or like to view something differently. The thing is we don't understand is that we don't understand how the body is designed. So it's designed to heal, but it's also designed to keep you safe, which I said before.

So again, like just a little bit of quick science in that none of us were raised by robots. We were all raised by humans. So we did not get out of childhood without any childhood wounding, right? Whether you had big T trauma or little T trauma, you were affected. You had a need, you expressed it. It was not always met. Okay. So even if it was just a little T trauma, like, like traffic, or, you know, like you sat in a dirty diaper for a little bit too longer than you wanted, like whatever that is, that lives in that body, that wound. And so the body then forms a protector. So when that happens again, the protector comes on board,

right? So like, I see this a lot with people who have weight loss problems, addiction problems, right? They're trying to get sober. They're trying to eat better. They're trying to break habits, start new habits, right? The body wants to stay safe. So if things are doing something too radically, it's like, oh my God, we're going to die. Like jump back from the cliff. Like get the, get the Snickers bar, put the kale down. Right. Cause it's like, what is this lettuce here? I'm going to die. Right.

But so the thing is, if you understand that you can work in a small manageable step of like, Hey buddy, we're thinking we're going to have like, you know, a small piece of kale today and see how that goes. Like, let's just, let's just be open to it and see what happens. Right. Like, or we're going to have, you know, this smoothie that has a little bit of spinach in it. Let's see what happens. I'm going to just get a two ounce smoothie and see what that, you know, how that goes. And so it's finding those small fixes that you can implement into your life that feel manageable and don't feel too stressful. And then as you continue to work on

it, we build resiliency and we build more safety in the body. So then the next time it comes around and somebody says or does something, you're like, oh, you can stop and ponder about it rather than just react. Oh, there's that cake. You know what? Last time I ate the cake, it really didn't feel so great. And I kind of like felt for three days, not so great. So I'm going to see what happens if I don't eat the cake. I still have that feeling, right? So like it allows that curiosity and allows you to be able to have a new perspective around it without shaming, without judgment, without forcing something, without trying to control

it. And that's the idea is that when I teach people, I'm like, hey, it's not your fault that this thing happened. It's not your fault that this thing happened. It's not your fault that you're sick, but let's take responsibility for it. Right. And that looks different for everybody. So you focus more on a physical kind of healing than mental? It's all of it together.

There is no difference. You have to do it all together. That's why it's mind, body, spirit, because it has to all be done. Again, like there are times that maybe we focus more on mental because that's what we need. Or maybe sometimes we focus more on emotional. But all components are always present. Because that's how it's always asked. Like, is there a certain state in a person's healing journey where they would seek out like your services? But it just sounds like if you feel like you need to be healed, like your services. But it just sounds like

if you feel like you need to be healed, call me. Right. I mean, I think I say like, if you have a pulse, you, you know, if you have a pulse, you need this work. In our society, we don't help people with mental illness. We don't help people with chronic pain. We don't help people with chronic disease. And I was one of those people, right? Like I had mental illness. I had chronic pain. I had chronic disease. I was not seen, heard, or believed by, you know, as a child or as an adult. I had medical trauma, like all these things, right? But again, I could have chose to dwell in that and just die because I was close to death, right? I could have just done that.

But I chose to do something different because I knew there was something else out there. And that's what I want people to know, the encouragement, to take the courage to try something different. I thought I was going to make an episode without mentioning my mama, but I think I'm going to hook you up with my mama because she's 71, right? She still thinks she's 40. But her body is 71. Right. And they are fighting right now. Yeah. And she would try anything just to not be in so much pain.

And I'm like, I'm going to put it at some about, I'm about to put my mama on you. Okay? That's good. I'd be honored. Thank you. But that's the thing in our society. Like we think that aging is normal. We think that the body is supposed to break. Like we think that aging is normal.

We think that the body's supposed to break down. We think all these symptoms are supposed to get worse as we age. It's not true. Just what we've been told. And it's actually not true. If you work with the body, like I'm okay. So I'm 40 and I feel better now at 40 than I did at 20. Then I did 25. Okay. I need a tea or something. Would you say you'd be drinking again? I drink, I drink my own infused teas and water and you know, I don a tea or something. What'd you say you'd be drinking again? I drink my own infused teas and water. And, you know, I don't drink anything that comes from the store other than coconut water. Oh, maybe I'm not drinking the right water. Because water gives me, like, acid reflux. But that's the thing, because our water is not clean.

Right, you said that earlier. That's what I remember. And I was like, okay, never mind. It was crazy. I might edit that part out. And you don't want to drink water from a plastic bottle because then you're ingesting all those chemicals. And most people are walking around drinking out of a plastic bottle because they think, oh, I need to hydrate. And it's more convenient. So you can drink out of stainless steel or glass.

You can get a reverse osmosis counter filter and filter your water. You do? The reverse osmosis. Okay, so I'm just going to send a whole bunch of jugs. Rebecca, let her fill them up. But not plastic ones. Not plastic ones. They don't fill very fast.

Fast. Because it's trying to get rid of all of the chemicals. And again, we live in a toxic world. Are you going to get rid of all the chemicals? No. We can't get rid of toxic world. Are you going to get rid of all the chemicals? No, we can't get rid of people, but you can, right? Exactly. But you can limit your exposure. You can be mindful of what you're ingesting. You can be mindful of what you're putting in and on your body. You can be mindful of what you're cleaning your house with.

Like there are no candles. There are no plugins in my house. There is no fragrance. There is none of that. The only fragrance I have is the essential oils that I use in my diffuser. That's it. It doesn't run every day. I need some aromatherapy. No, but that's the thing. Right. But you can, if something says fragrance, that's a chemical and it's disruptive and it's causing issues to your body. And again, that goes back to knowing how to re-enable. But if something say shit, shit don't have chemicals and all that stuff in it too well you have to know again like essential oils have made like a big a big chemical i'm like i'm not going there essential oils have made like a big um it become more mainstream but a lot of them are not quality so you want to make sure

that you're hot you have quality ingredients. It's not about the quantity. It's about the quality. Oh, because it's going to change your shit. I got you. I got you. Okay. Well, that's the thing is that you need to know what's coming out of your body. You need to be aware of what's coming out of your body.

And so that's an indication if you're not pooping every day or you're only pooping once a day, that's an indication that there's something wrong. Right. You poop every day, Crystal? Oh. You're supposed to poop multiple times a day, that's an indication that there's something wrong. Right. You poop every day, Crystal? No. Oh. You're supposed to poop multiple times a day. As many times as you eat, you're supposed to poop. Now, that I do do, girl.

My stomach would be like, you know what? You just took a bite. We need to go get rid of this bite. Yeah. But then there's like, what does a healthy stool look like? And then what does a non-healthy stool look like? So people are so afraid to look at their poop. You need to look at your poop.

Because it's an indication of your health. It's an indication of your health. I'm sorry. If it's green. Well, if you ate a lot of green, but you don't eat any green. So that's not good. But I'm not here to diagnose poop. That's not what I'm here for. I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. That's not what we're here for. Of all the questions he's ever asked and all the podcasts we've ever done, that takes the cake. And that's the note he wants to end on, I guess. No, no, it's not. Actually, I'm going to ask you to end on a note. But no, I wanted to just kind of, because we are about healing your shit. You know what I'm saying?

So that's what we do here. And I mean, what you said earlier was really, really dope about trauma and kind of the scales of trauma. Like if it's just that you sat in a dirty diaper for a little too long or you're in an abusive relationship, trauma is trauma. So it's OK to admit that something is there and you need to work on it. Right. Right. Even if you're not aware that it's there, you could be you could be like, oh, my God, I had the best childhood ever. And I'm like, well, your body doesn't think that. But that's okay. That's everybody. That's normal.

But we don't talk about it. Yeah, because people think, like, it's not trauma. Or Rebecca is a really good one for saying, like, oh, I didn't have the life that you had, and yet I complain. Or, you know, like, she's really good about feeling that way. And I'm like, if all you ever had in your life is a paper cut, it equals the bone marrow transplant I went through. It's kind of how I feel, you know? Right. Because that's your kind of worst pain. But it's like it doesn't have to be a scale.

It just is what it is. No. And the thing is, it's what the body decides. There's no logic. There's no logic. It has nothing to do with logic. And everybody is different. Right.

And the body is like, that shit was traumatic. And logically you could be like, no, that didn't bother me. When I just saw that person being shot on TV, that didn't bother me. Your body's like, oh my God, that was traumatic. And it creates a trauma pathway. So like Gabor Mate talks about this a lot. A lot of people, Martin Seliger, Body Keeps the Score has been having like a revolution again. But there's a lot of books out

there about trauma right now it's kind of like the last five years it's become the it thing right but it's really important to understand how your body is designed and how it's working so that you can actually support it in the moment and not create more trauma that you have to deal with 30 years from now right like it's like actually dealing with your shit now you know i'm thinking about like these cartoons i was i was watching cartoons i was watching sonic the hedgehog with my nephew and we were going for episode episode he wanted to watch tv with me it ended up being like a little theme and sonic was losing his he was losing friends and this cartoon stressed me out tense i'm like lord sonic gonna be by himself i'm over here crying right like it's sonic and i'm like it was stressful and then i don't know what's going on

and then you're that's the thing it's so funny that you said that because it reminds me when i used to teach at the college and i had my i had a a night class. It was like mostly adults, parents. Right. And they were like, what are you going to teach us? I'm like, listen, go home and watch a cartoon with your kids. And then tell me what, like how many violent episodes there were, how many disturbing episodes there were. And this was like 20 years ago and they came in and they had ridiculous amounts of stuff. I'm like, yeah, and your kids are watching this.

Your five-year-old kid is watching that and you couldn't even handle it as an adult. What is your five-year-old? What is that and you couldn't even handle it as an adult what is your five-year-old what is that body processing as it watches that right the kids that are watching the news with the parents or that you know are it's just there's so many things in our society violence is pervasive and in doing it at five years old their body may very well be processing it like it's okay sure they could we don't know right we don't know and that's the thing is because we don't know i don't know i feel like we want to be aware i feel like our our generation or anybody that had to live through 9-11 and anything after 9-11 because you know there were people in kindergarten 9-11 happened so in first grade they're paying tribute to people jumping out of

windows as airplanes crash into them i feel like that's why the generation that's around now or that's making such a wave is so, I don't know, violent in a way. Like, so, I don't know, crazy. You know, I was like, you know, in my day we fought, you know, and now they shoot. Like, but I feel like it had a lot to do with just what was happening in life. Planes crashing into buildings. We're going to war. We were at war, exactly. And that was all you saw. Shakespeare was a drag queen, you know. But now it's like, you know, everything

is, I don't know. I just meant that it's okay. I just, I don't feel like I explained myself well enough. Like, not okay as in it's fine. Okay. I just mean okay in themselves because they don't know any better kind of way. And as they- Yeah. But again, it's not a logical thing, right?

No. It's not a logical thing. It's the body doing it. So we don't know. We don't know. And then again, you might not even remember. So I could be working with somebody and they're like, oh my God, I had the best childhood ever. My parents were so loving, so on and so forth. Right. Like, yeah, I had loving parents, too, but I had a lot of childhood trauma and it created a lot of illness in my body. And I didn't remember it until I was like, I don't know, 30 something. Right. Because we push it down and protect ourselves.

Again, those protectors are there to keep you alive. So what kept you alive as a kid keeps you stuck as an adult. That's dope. That's a perfect note to end on. Yes, that is. You did that. She was like, we about to end this, but I'm about to drop the mic. Amy, I'm going to list all your contacts, of course.

They're going to be listed in the bottom email. We'll follow you on social media. You'll hear from us. I'm going to send you a pillow. It's not made electronics, but can I send you a pillow? That'd be great. Thank you. All from us. I'm going to send you a pillow. It's not made electronics, but can I send you a pillow? That'd be great. Thank you. All right.

So we're going to send you a pillow. And use your electronics to let me know you got it during your normal electronic time. I know. I made a special arrangement to do this interview. I bet you did. I bet you did. I'm really, really glad that you came on. This was really, really dope.

I actually was having a bad day, and you did make it better. Oh, good. I'm glad. Yeah, it's pretty cool. So you're not only his favorite, but you made his day better. Man, everybody is going to be so mad at you. I know. There's a lot of people going to be mad at me.

No, good matter. Yeah, and me too. That's okay. I can take it. I can take it. Everybody likes coming on our podcast. Yeah. We're a favorite.

But then they're like, ooh. So I might have to beep it out, but I'm going to send you the version where I call you the favorite, okay? Okay. Sounds good. It was a pleasure talking to you. Amen. You too.

Thank you. Have a great day, guys. I hope you continue to search for your safe place and then your healing. And it looks different for everybody. But no matter what it looks like, Amy can help you out. So give Amy a shout and we'll end there. Love and blessings, y'all. Till next time.