This American Life - 858: How to Tell a Dumb American Story

Episode Date: April 13, 2025

A couple devises a strategy to get their daughter's killer prosecuted and to get attention for other Native families.  Visit thisamericanlife.org/lifepartners to sign up for our premium subscription....Prologue: Mika Westwolf was killed in a hit-and-run on a Montana highway. Her parents thought the driver might get away with it. The driver was white. Mika was a citizen of the Blackfeet Nation. (1 minute)Act One: Mika’s parents, Carissa Heavy Runner and Kevin Howard, share recordings of their interactions with law enforcement. (8 minutes)Act Two: Carissa and Kevin take matters into their own hands. (20 minutes)Act Three: The county prosecutor explains why he let Mika’s killer out of jail. Will Carissa and Kevin's efforts pay off? Sierra follows them to court. (33 minutes)Transcripts are available at thisamericanlife.orgThis American Life privacy policy.Learn more about sponsor message choices.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 A quick warning, there are curse words that are un-beeped in today's episode of the show. If you prefer a beeped version, you can find that at our website, thisamericanlife.org. Sarah Crane Murdoch's been on our show before. She reports on indigenous communities out west. Back in 2023, she got a call from a man in Montana, Kevin Howard. He said his daughter Micah had been killed in a hit-and-run. Local police were dragging their feet. He thought the driver might get away with it. The driver was white. Micah was native, a citizen of the Blackfeet Nation. Lots of
Starting point is 00:00:34 native people are killed in hit-and-runs. And the drivers are rarely brought to justice. And Sierra thought she might be able to document why by diving into Micah's case, because Micah's parents had recordings of nearly all their interactions with law enforcement. Micah's parents did some other things too. They were very strategic and did some extraordinary things other families had not tried to make sure Micah's case was one that the authorities could not ignore. That story and how it unfolded
Starting point is 00:01:05 and what it's like to be a couple making that happen. That's gonna be a whole show today. From WBEZ Chicago, Since American Life, I'm Ira Glass. And with that, I hand it over to Sierra. Micah's family lives on the Flathead Indian Reservation. It's in a valley surrounded by big toothy mountains. Micah was 22 years old the night she was killed. She'd been out with her younger brother.
Starting point is 00:01:28 They'd gone to a bar to buy cigarettes. On their way home, Micah couldn't find her phone and thought she'd left it at the bar. She told her brother to let her out of the car. She'd go back to the bar to get it, and then she'd walk home. Hours later, around 4 a.m., a tribal police officer found her body on the side of the road, Highway 93. The officer, a friend of Kevin's,
Starting point is 00:01:51 drove to his house and woke him up. You know, they told us my kid was deceased, and then right away I was like, well, did you guys get him? And they were like, yeah. It was some tweaker from Butte. And in my mind, I was like, just like happy that they apprehend, you know, so, and I just, you know, I gave the cops a hug and I was like, thank you guys or
Starting point is 00:02:13 whatever, you know, I'm glad that you guys were there. Later that day, Kevin and his wife, Carissa Heavy Runner, Micah's mother, took a cross and a teddy bear to the roadside where she'd been found. When they got there, investigators from Montana Highway Patrol were flying a mother took a cross and a teddy bear to the roadside where she'd been found. When they got there, investigators from Montana Highway Patrol were flying a drone photographing the scene. One of them was named Wayne Bieber. He asked Kevin and Carissa if they had Micah's phone.
Starting point is 00:02:37 It had actually been in her brother's car that night, slipped between her seat and the console. Bieber said he needed it. Carissa couldn't understand why. It was adamant about following us home to get it. And, you know, I repeated, she did not have her phone on her. It was in her brother's car. Why do you need it?
Starting point is 00:02:57 What's it going to, you know, show or whatever? And then he said, we need to look at all aspects. I was torn, I fought with myself, and I thought I was helping. And so I gave him the phone up here at our house. When you're handing it to him, I was like, oh, my kid's just freaking just pissed off right now. Like, she would not like this at all.
Starting point is 00:03:24 And I like said that out loud. She shouldn't have done it, but in a joking manner, I guess. But I really did feel that way. Like, Micah was like, no, no, don't give it to him. Yeah, well, you tell me more about that. Like, if you knew Micah, probably the most stubborn person I know, like, she would just fight tooth and nail over the dumbest thing to the bitter end. Micah was constantly challenging her parents, but not in a get in trouble kind know, like she would just fight tooth and nail over the dumbest thing to the bitter end. Micah was constantly challenging her parents, but not in a get in trouble kind of way.
Starting point is 00:03:50 They were close. Back when she was a teenager, when she realized marijuana eased her anxiety, instead of lying to them, she crafted a PowerPoint presentation about its medical benefits. She wrote poetry. She was really into philosophy, especially the Tao. Breaking the Habit of Being Yourself was the title of the book she was reading when she died. Also, she was loud.
Starting point is 00:04:14 You could hear her probably even in the garage just laughing and her laugh was just so loud. Her sound just echoed. Or if she was mad, just like, ha ha, like, you know, just had to let that energy out and just things like that she would do. Run into our room, fart, run away, just laughing all the way. She was like that. A week after Micah's death, Kevin got a text from a friend. The driver who killed Micah wasn't in jail, like he'd been told. Her name was Sunny White.
Starting point is 00:04:55 She was 28 years old. Police were looking for her. Not because she'd killed Micah, but because she'd allegedly just kidnapped her two kids. There was a police alert out for her. And it had like the names of the kids and all that? She had a four-year-old daughter named Arian, and I believe a two-year-old son named Nation. Arian and Nation.
Starting point is 00:05:18 Carissa also got a text from a friend around the same time. She said that a tribal police officer pulled over a woman, a non-Native, and she had said I came here to kill Andin. I remember I was speechless after that. It was just like, you know, like thinking could it have been a hate crime? You know, could she have driven by, turned around, came back in her and thought, oh, I'm not going to get caught. Like, we were always warned as kids, like, yeah, watch out, like, Nazis and stuff, though,
Starting point is 00:05:53 intentionally just, that's how they get away with killing Indians, they just run them over on the side of the road. And so to me, it was like, holy shit, this is real. This is what happened, you know, she was murdered. Karissa and Kevin had so many questions. First, why wasn't Sunny White in jail? Hours after she hit and killed Micah, Sunny had been arrested for child endangerment, not vehicular homicide.
Starting point is 00:06:19 They learned she spent seven days in jail and then was released. The charges dropped. Also, what happened to that investigator from the Montana Highway Patrol, Wayne Bieber, who took Micah's phone? He'd promised to call, but he never did. Carissa and Kevin started blowing up his phone.
Starting point is 00:06:37 They called every day for a week. Nothing. Then a friend dialed him from her phone, a number he didn't recognize, and he picked up. Can I ask who was calling again one more time? Sorry about that. Carissa Heavyrunner, the mother of Michael Westwolf. You gave me your number when we were putting a cross on the side of the road and there
Starting point is 00:06:59 was you and another trooper there. Yep. So I haven't gotten, I've been, to be honest with you, I've been running around with my head cut off the last couple weeks trying to get caught up on a bunch of other stuff. Have you talked to anybody else as far as things go? No, because I don't know who else to talk to. I've had some other things coming up with work that I've been trying to get taken care of. Bieber tells Carissa he's applied for some warrants, and then keeps talking about how busy he is. Just, how come she's not in jail still?
Starting point is 00:07:40 So it's one of those things, she was put in jail, we still have to finish up with the rest of our investigation. And that includes waiting for toxicology stuff to come back along with trying to get everything in line that may be associated with evidence for that. Okay. I will try and get back to you as soon as I can, but to be honest with you,
Starting point is 00:08:07 every time I try and seem to do something lately, it ends up going to poop, and I end up not going in the direction that I wanted to go for the day, trying to do some stuff then. Okay. How confident did you feel in the investigation at that point?
Starting point is 00:08:22 Not confident at all. He told us on the phone, oh, everything I touch turns to poo. Everything I touch turns to poo. I'm just thinking like that's not what you want to hear. It'd be funny if it was, I guess. This is who's investigating our daughter's case. This is who we're supposed to rely on to give us information
Starting point is 00:08:44 and who we're supposed to trust on to give us information and who we're supposed to trust. This guy is inept. I asked Montana Highway Patrol several times for an interview with Wayne Bieber, but they declined. Sierra Crane Murdoch. Coming up, Kevin and Carissa realize that if they want anything to happen in the case, they'll need to take matters into their own hands. Which they do.
Starting point is 00:09:12 Stay with us. It's American Life. Sierra Crane Murdoch picks up the story of Michael Westwolf and her parents. The distrust Native families have of law enforcement is centuries old. Starting in the 1860s, the U.S. troops that had been stationed on reservations were replaced with police forces. These police took Native children from their families to send to boarding schools, arrested holy men for practicing religious ceremonies, and quelled rebellions.
Starting point is 00:09:43 It was the role of law enforcement on reservations to control Native people before it was to keep them safe. Police were there to protect white settlers who lived on and around reservations. Meanwhile, a lot of crimes affecting tribal citizens were never investigated or prosecuted. In the 1960s, the federal government turned over its jurisdiction on the Flathead Reservation to the state of Montana. But Montana has been reluctant to spend money on policing the reservation, and tribal members'
Starting point is 00:10:13 distrust of law enforcement has only grown. Krissa and Kevin were convinced Bieber wasn't investigating Micah's case. So they tried investigating on their own. They started working with a tribal advocate who helps families of murder victims. Her name is Erica Shelby. She knocked on every door within a few miles of where Micah was killed, looking for surveillance footage and witnesses. One business had a direct view. miles of where Micah was killed, looking for surveillance footage and witnesses.
Starting point is 00:10:45 One business had a direct view. She connected Carissa and Kevin with a lawyer to make sure the business preserved the footage. Three weeks after Micah's death, Bieber finally visited Kevin and Carissa at their house. They remember him standing awkwardly in the kitchen. Carissa is seated at the kitchen island. Kevin is in a recliner behind her. Erica is there, too, taking notes. The meeting feels tense, restrained.
Starting point is 00:11:12 They can't get an answer to their main question. Why wasn't Sunny White behind bars? I mean, to be honest, it's just strange that if she was in fact charged, why is she not in jail? We have to look at everything as the totality. So Montana law, if you are intoxicated, you are not allowed to be on the roadway. You cannot even be on the shoulder.
Starting point is 00:11:40 You have to be walking off into the ditch or using a designated walk path. A walk path. He's not talking about Sonny White's intoxication. He's talking about Micah's. This is the first time anyone in law enforcement has mentioned to Kevin and Carissa that Micah might have been drunk. It's also the first time anyone has told them that being drunk and walking on the side of the road is a crime in Montana.
Starting point is 00:12:07 And it's the first time anyone has suggested that if you get hit, your drunkenness could mean your death was your own fault. Then their tribal advocate, Erica, asks, So what does that have to do with her being out? The totality of the circumstances, looking back at the whole thing as a offense. The totality of the circumstances. Bieber will repeat this phrase 11 times in the recording. It's pretty vague what he means, and you hear Kevin trying to get Bieber to clarify, to pick apart his logic.
Starting point is 00:12:43 Well, I mean, if the other person was in violation of the law as well, wouldn't Micah be charged with intoxicated on a roadway, and then the other person be charged with vehicular homicide because she was intoxicated driving, operating a vehicle? — That is why I'm saying review. — So Micah's toxicology though came back where she was impaired. So these are things that take time in the process.
Starting point is 00:13:13 Well, right. I guess my concern would be like, that's kind of your justification for her not being currently in jail would be Micah's potential intoxication. The question that we come back to is exactly what I was telling you was if you are intoxicated and walking on the road... But we don't know that, right? The totality of the circumstances of this.
Starting point is 00:13:43 Kevin asks him if he's gathering any of the surveillance footage from the night Micah was killed, the footage they'd been working to preserve. Maybe this could tell them something, like if Sunny swerved, or if she stopped when she hit Micah, or sped up. What would be that you're trying to look for? Anything and everything to get like the total grasp of the situation. For instance, if it is a white supremacist, maybe it was an intentional hit and run, so now all of a sudden it's deliberate homicide and we're not investigating it as such.
Starting point is 00:14:19 What is it that you're... I mean it's about... And her children's names. Aryan and Nation. —I can't tell you how to name your child. —Yeah, but if you name your kids Aryan and Nation, chances are you're an affiliate. —Look at it as that. And I shouldn't look at it as that.
Starting point is 00:14:38 —Well, then you shouldn't look at it as Micah was drunk on the side of the road, so we don't—we treat it to me. —'Cause I can tell you got pent-up aggression. — Whoa. No, no, no, no. To me. — Carissa is quiet. She's now suspicious of Bieber. He has Micah's phone with him,
Starting point is 00:14:53 and he asks her for the code to open and search it. She refuses. — I have to take this. — Why do you have to take it? — I have to seal this up now because this goes into— I have to go apply for a warrant. So can we hold on to it until you get the warrant? He says no. Kevin told me Bieber held up the phone in an evidence bag, sealed it shut. So I guess I'm confused as to that's our property, it's my property. That wasn't on the scene.
Starting point is 00:15:26 And now it has to get a warrant to collect any information that may be valuable to the investigation. I can tell you a hundred percent after that, we knew that we spooked him, you know, and so you could tell he was clearly mad after that. You could tell he was flustered. I wish we would have recorded him trying to leave our driveway. He went around the light pole thing once because he didn't know which way he was going.
Starting point is 00:15:55 And he had trouble trying to back up over and it's like these tires were just spinning and we're just standing at the window like laughing. And I was like, does that really just happen? When the Montana Highway Patrol applied for the warrant to search Micah's phone, it listed intoxication while walking on a road as the crime they were investigating, not the crime that killed Micah. Karissa and Kevin have been together for 18 years.
Starting point is 00:16:25 Karissa is native, Blackfeet and Dene. Kevin is white, but he grew up on the Flathead Reservation. A lot of his family is Salish Kootenay, including his son. They met as single parents when Kevin's son was three years old and Micah was six. They became a tight family unit. Kevin built them a house at the foot of the mountains. Their albums are full of photos of them camping and hunting together. They told me Micah was a good shot, but she always intentionally missed.
Starting point is 00:16:57 How has losing Micah impacted your marriage? It's been hard. I find myself where Kevin's wanting to, you know, get me outside, go take a ride up the mountain, and then I'm being reluctant because I'm already thinking in the back of my mind, this doesn't make me sad, I'm going to cry, I don't want to do that, you know? And I feel bad about that because I know he's just trying to get me outside and do the things that we love and Micah loved. There's a saying about the highway Micah died on. Pray for me, I drive 93.
Starting point is 00:17:42 Carissa and Kevin could name three other Native people who'd been killed in the last five years while walking this same stretch of highway. In none of those cases had the driver been prosecuted or even arrested. They wanted to know why. So a few weeks after their meeting with Bieber, they invited the mothers of the victims over to their house for dinner. They all sat in the living room. It was a little awkward. Bonnie Asensio's daughter Marina was killed in 2022. I wasn't sure what to say or what to do. It was a little bit solemn, kind of. And then when I started talking about Bieber calling me,
Starting point is 00:18:20 they were just like, oh, my gosh. They learned they'd all had the same investigator, Wayne Bieber, and the same county prosecutor, James Lepotka, who Karissa and Kevin hadn't heard from yet. I remember, like, I was like, what the fuck, seriously? You know, we all looked at each other, us, all our friends, and like, oh my gosh, we cannot let them get away with this. Same lead prosecutor, same lead investigator.
Starting point is 00:18:49 Marina was Bonnie's second child to die on the road. Her first, Ruby, had been riding with a friend when he crashed their car and killed her. He was intoxicated. He survived. Bonnie says the friend told Bieber that Ruby had been driving. But Bonnie's family didn't believe him. They did their own investigation, found witnesses, including a farmer who said he'd seen the friend in the driver's seat. He went to prison. But if Bonnie and her family hadn't investigated, he might not have been charged. Two years later, when Marina died, no one was charged. Even though the Montana
Starting point is 00:19:26 Highway Patrol knew who the driver was and, the family says, told them that she was over the legal limit for THC. Bonnie met with the county prosecutor, James Lepotka. They told us specifically at that meeting that they could not win a case if they passed charges, that it just wasn't enough. And he said, I just know, I've done enough of the, I know that we can't win. And I'm not gonna take a case to court that I can't win. It felt to Bonnie like LaPaca had written her daughter off.
Starting point is 00:20:07 She obsessed over the particulars of her daughter's case. She wanted to rent a billboard on the highway and brainstormed messages like, how hard is it to gather evidence? And whose reservation is this? And who is protecting who? But she didn't have money for a billboard. She checked herself into the mental health department at a hospital.
Starting point is 00:20:33 I talked to another mother, Trisha Finley. Her son Aiden was killed in a hit and run in 2018. She says it was almost six years before anyone in law enforcement shared anything with her about her son's case. The county attorney, LaPaca, invited her to his office. A witness to Aidan's death had come forward and named the driver. But there was a problem. Bieber had taken four months to locate the driver and get his confession.
Starting point is 00:21:01 During that time, the statute of limitations had passed. So they couldn't find him from November till April? That's what it looks like. Honestly, if all of this police work would have been wrapped up in November, we could charge him. Why wasn't it? Because we didn't get him. Because they couldn't find him? That's what it looks like. Because I'd have had until the first week in December. But they knew
Starting point is 00:21:27 where he lived. I mean, it's not that hard to find somebody. My guess is they weren't in a really big hurry to do anything in November and probably didn't understand that there was a statute of limitations window closing. I bet they weren't paying attention to that at all. Isn't that their job though? Yeah, yeah it is. So because of that, there's... like they're gonna get away with it? I hope not, but that's a possibility.
Starting point is 00:22:24 The driver did get away with it. LaPaca couldn't find a way to charge the case. I reached out to Montana Highway Patrol about Bonnie and Trish's cases, but they declined to answer my questions. There were two harms when Micah was killed. The first when she was hit, the second when she was left on the side of the road to die alone.
Starting point is 00:22:51 Nationally, Native pedestrians are six times likelier to be killed in a hit and run than white pedestrians. I tried to figure out why. I learned that when states were building their highway systems in the 1920s and 30s, they put them through reservations instead of around them, because if they ran through reservations, the federal government had to pick up the tab. Fewer Native people own cars, so they're more likely to be walking along these roads. They're dying where there are no sidewalks, no street lamps. In Montana, Native pedestrians make up more than half of hit-and-run fatalities, even
Starting point is 00:23:29 though they're just 8% of the population. And what happens to the drivers? I scoured Montana newspapers and court records trying to figure out which cases got prosecuted. I calculated that between 2011 and 2022, in cases where the victim was Native, it was much less likely for the drivers to be found. And when they were found, their sentences were much lighter. During that period, the drivers who killed Native pedestrians in Montana, if you added up all their sentences, it was a total of 51 years. Those who killed non-Native pedestrians, 265 years. ————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————— and Bonnie's did, with no one charged, even though law enforcement had found the drivers.
Starting point is 00:24:26 They had a new goal, get Sonny White arrested. Their strategy was public pressure. They would bring attention to Micah's case and also to Bonnie and Trisha's kids' cases, since police had stopped investigating. That night they met with the mothers at their house, they came up with this idea. They do a four-day walk along Highway 93. Like the matters! The not matters!
Starting point is 00:24:52 The not matters! They ended the walk on the steps of the Lake County courthouse. The march was all over local and national media. Kevin's a mailman and remembers how excited people on the reservation were when he delivered the state's biggest newspaper with Micah's face on the front page. Carissa created a Facebook group called Micah Matters
Starting point is 00:25:14 and quickly collected over a thousand followers. She started getting invitations to speak at big events, like at the grandstand for the Missoula County Fair. Imagine if this was your child. There's this one video that Carissa shared with the media that blew up. It's of Micah. She's in their laundry room with a ukulele, singing a parody she wrote of Vance Joy's Riptide.
Starting point is 00:25:37 I was scared of res dogs and the wildlings. She's singing, I was scared of res dogs in the wild. I was scared of drunk drivers and catching head lice. It's clever, funny. She never wanted to make the video, but when she played the song for Kevin, he begged her to let him film it. Was there an aspect of Micah's case that felt to you like, oh, this has the potential to become big?
Starting point is 00:26:13 Oh, yes. I believe it was because of the woman that hit her and her children's names. And the contrast of them with Micah, like Sonny, who appears to be like a hateful person or whatever. And then Micah, who's this hippie child or whatever that loves everybody and all that. Did it ever feel to you, you're like, oh, this is sort of like the perfect victim and perfect villain narrative. Right. Yeah, Americans are dumb like that. They just, they need to, you know, like the big villain and the kind, sweet-hearted victim or whatever. So it's like, it's, you're twisted, you know, it's like one hand, it's really sad. And you think of like all the other people that no one cares
Starting point is 00:27:06 about. It's like because Micah is this young, beautiful, talented woman, people care about her. This perfect, dumb American narrative of victim and villain, innocent and guilty, Kevin and Carissa realized that Micah's could be the case that got people to care about all these hit and runs. And they decided Carissa would be theah's could be the case that got people to care about all these hit and runs. And they decided Carissa would be the public face of their movement. She comes from a politically active family. Her dad was a state legislator and a tribal councilman.
Starting point is 00:27:36 Kevin told me he felt a little cynical about all the public events Carissa was having to do. He didn't know of any white families who had to make a spectacle of their kids' cases to get justice. But he wanted to support Carissa and went to her events. We're definitely yin and yang. Like, if it was just me, like, I'm gonna be, no one's gonna like me, no one's gonna talk to me. I'm gonna piss everyone off and it's, I'm not gonna get anything accomplished by myself. Whereas Carissa is the complete opposite, everyone is gonna wanna talk to her,
Starting point is 00:28:09 everyone likes her, you know? So I think it's nice to sneak in a couple like, you know, right hooks or whatever that maybe knocks some sense into some people without them even realizing it. And then she's gonna be able to make it so everyone isn't just seeing this angry, like Debbie Downer type dude that hates everything.
Starting point is 00:28:33 Yeah, I'm really struck by that. It's like... It makes for a very difficult relationship though, because you never really agree on anything. So it's like, she accepts that I'm wrong and I accept that she's wrong in our own minds, you know what I mean? And we're starting to learn that neither one of us are really wrong.
Starting point is 00:28:53 What's going through your head, Krissi? I just, I don't know. I appreciate my husband so much for his truth and his fearlessness that he's just going to come out and say whatever. That's how we're a good team is that we are able to cover all sides of it. Coming up, Sierra talks to the county prosecutor about what the hell with not charging and arresting Sonny White. That's in a minute from Chicago Public Radio when our program continues. This is American Life from Ira Glass. Today's show, How to Tell a Dumb American Story.
Starting point is 00:29:36 Sarah Crane Murdoch picks up where she left off. Sarah Crane Murdoch The prosecutor for Lake County is James Lepotka. His jurisdiction is basically the entire Flathead Reservation. He's from Wisconsin, but has worked for Lake County for most of his career. He's white, in his early 40s, smiling. He looks like a Boy Scout. Micah's case had drawn more media attention than any other case he'd worked on, because of Chris's organizing. I'm trying to dig this out.
Starting point is 00:30:05 100 pages of comments from Facebook, articles from the New York Times. I got a text message from somebody who's not my friend on Facebook saying, you racist piece of shit, you will not try that stupid white supremacist bitch because she's white, you're garbage. It was annoying,
Starting point is 00:30:23 but the attention also got him more resources from the FBI and the state. He met with Chris and Kevin briefly a couple of times in the months after Micah died. — I tried to assure them, like, I'm not a white supremacist, come for an upahomicide for my white supremacist friend. Like, that's not what this is about. And I think I got some of that through to them, but I think that they were also, you know, a little righteously upset that we weren't moving faster.
Starting point is 00:30:52 He acknowledged that Montana Highway Patrol had made mistakes that slowed down the investigation. He had to let Sunny White out of jail because investigators hadn't collected enough evidence to charge her. He also needed Sunny's blood test results to prove she had been intoxicated, but orders at the Montana crime lab were backed up. He told me he never found anything that proved Sunny hit Micah because she was Native.
Starting point is 00:31:16 He couldn't verify the rumor that Sunny had come to the reservation to kill an Indian. So he couldn't charge her with a hate crime. I got the sense that he wanted to do a good job for Micah's family. The first time we met, I was struck by his genuine warmth whenever he talked about Micah. She was a delightful kid. Really? You can tell that just by looking through her phone. What were some of the feelings, like do you remember anything in particular that really
Starting point is 00:31:41 endeared you to her? She did a lot of videos and a lot of pictures of her, a lot of selfies. They were rather innocent, kind of like a little kid. It made me like Micah a lot more. It was sweet, but also it made me wonder, if he didn't have those photos of Micah, would he like her? Would he have felt as motivated to work on her case?
Starting point is 00:32:04 He didn't talk this way about Bonnie and Trisha's kids, Maureen and Aiden. Would he like her? Would he have felt as motivated to work on her case? He didn't talk this way about Bonnie and Trisha's kids, Maureen and Aiden. He called what happened to them tragic. But he also said he didn't think a jury would have much sympathy for them. He said they made choices that put themselves at risk. Highway Patrol concluded that Aiden was lying in the road when he was hit. He'd sent text messages to friends suggesting he was suicidal. And someone reported Marina stumbling intoxicated
Starting point is 00:32:29 just before she was killed. LaPaca told me he didn't see any way he could win a trial in either case. But his explanations left out some key details, like the fact that the driver who killed Marina was intoxicated too, or that in Aiden's evidence file, the coroner said that Aiden's injuries indicated that he'd been standing when he got hit, not lying down. All of this was the sort of reasoning that caused so much agony for Trisha and Bani.
Starting point is 00:32:58 The feeling that law enforcement assumed their kids were responsible for their own deaths. assumed their kids were responsible for their own deaths. —Music— —Six months after Micah was killed, in October of 2023, LaPaca was finally close to filing charges against Sonny White. He invited Chris and Kevin into his office to hear about the evidence he had compiled against her. —I was kind of excited. I'm like, hey guys, look, I've, look, we did it. Look, I have all this stuff. This is what we've got.
Starting point is 00:33:30 Let me show you the whole thing. And then this is the timeline and what to expect. That's how I felt that meeting was, what that meeting was for. That's not how Curaça and Kevin felt about the meeting. One of the pieces of evidence he showed them was body cam footage from the day Micah was killed, just hours after Sunny hit her. Her SUV, a Cadillac Escalade,
Starting point is 00:33:52 had broken down in a church parking lot. It was missing the passenger side mirror. Police had found the mirror not far from Micah's body. In the video, the officer talks to Sunny outside her car. Her two young kids are in the back. And she's like totally just like manipulating the shit out of the sheriff or deputy. Like she's crying and, oh my gosh, I don't know what's happening. And that sheriff's like, oh, it's letting her smoke cigarettes.
Starting point is 00:34:18 She's not contained. If this was a native woman, she would be stuffed and cuffed like immediately. I saw this video. Like, if this was a Native woman, she would be stuffed and cuffed, like, immediately. I saw this video. The deputy does actually cuff Sunny for a few minutes. He tells her she didn't hit a deer. She hit a person, and she starts crying. Asks if she's going to prison forever.
Starting point is 00:34:37 Not forever, he says. But then he takes the cuffs off. Her brother-in-law had shown up to pick up her kids. Sunny starts moving car seats and bags into his truck. I'm like, Lepaka, what the hell? This is a potential crime scene, and he's letting her move items from the vehicle. I was quiet that whole thing. I didn't say one thing because I was mad.
Starting point is 00:35:02 Is everyone this dumb in this world that are in these positions of power and we're like telling them what they need to look for or do, how to do their, I don't know. Me and Kevin's look at each other and we're like, oh my God, like, it's crazy, you know? Like, I just can't believe it sometimes. Lepaka thinks that Sunny's phone was probably in one of those bags. Highway Patrol never found it. That slowed down the investigation. He suspects there were drugs and paraphernalia in those bags, too.
Starting point is 00:35:33 Her toxicology came back positive for methamphetamine and fentanyl. I will readily acknowledge that in hindsight we should have not let her remove evidence from the vehicle while we're doing an investigation. That should not have happened. But he also told me one of the kids was in a diaper and needed clothes, so he could see why the officer let Sonny move some bags. I kept noticing this dynamic whenever I asked LaPotka about a mistake law enforcement made.
Starting point is 00:36:02 He'd readily acknowledge it, but then he also always had an explanation that assumed the officers had good intentions. Like when I asked him about Bieber taking Micah's phone. He said, yeah, his bedside manner sucked, but Bieber's also a good guy, and he needed her phone to quickly rule out suicide. If she had been suicidal, it could cause problems for them at trial.
Starting point is 00:36:31 Montana Highway Patrol finally arrested Sonny White just a few days after Lepaka showed Carissa and Kevin the body cam footage. She was charged with negligent vehicular homicide, leaving the scene, drug possession, and child endangerment. LaPaca called Carissa to tell her the news. I couldn't believe that, you know, it was happening. Yeah, it was, it was like shocking. Like, if you just think about the fact that it took us seven months to get to square one. Would you have brought charges without the amount of media attention that Kevin and Carissa brought to this case? Yes It might have taken a little longer and it might not have been
Starting point is 00:37:17 As good. I think eventually we would have brought charges honestly The amount of media attention made it easier for me to get help from people. So our case ended up being better because of what they did, but they didn't have to do that to get my attention. Sunny White pleaded not guilty and posted bond immediately, $100,000. I reached out to her for an interview and didn't hear back. Now that Sunny had been arrested, Kevin and Carissa had a new goal.
Starting point is 00:37:50 They announced it to the media at a press conference outside the Lake County courthouse. I'm thankful that today finally happened where Sunny White read her charges. I don't want the judge and the county to take the easy way out, do a plea bargain. I would like to see this go to trial. What did a trial mean to you? Like what would a trial have given you? I was thinking like, yeah, plea bargain,
Starting point is 00:38:24 that's the easy way out. That's keeping it hush hush, sweeping it under the rug. That's cutting the media out and all that. You know what I mean? It's ending it abruptly. When we did all this and looking at the bigger goal is it would be trial and everything would be laid out and all that, you know, that's what I visualized.
Starting point is 00:38:43 Yeah, like if it was to go to trial, Lepaka and Lake County would have had, and the Montana Highway Patrol would have had to present it to the world exactly how they investigated this case. Any halfway decent attorney would have been able to pick apart their so-called investigation and evidence. Yeah, that's so interesting. Like, would you say you wanted the state to lose?
Starting point is 00:39:17 I mean, absolutely, which is kind of probably sounds ridiculous. So, I mean, it, you know, Micah is gone. There's nothing that's going to ever bring her back. So I would sacrifice Micah's personal justice for a big picture justice, you know what I mean? Like that would be a very easy sacrifice for me personally. Kevin kept thinking about this one time, shortly before Micah was killed. He was in the kitchen. I came into the house to eat something and Micah was in her room and she comes like bolting out like hey, bro If someone murked me you'd forgive him, right? And I just remember like what are you talking about? Weirdo, and she's like, well, you would right and I was like, I don't would you want me to you? She said well, yeah, I was like well then yeah, I guess to me it was like some dumb thing She would say and it but and then later she's dead by the hands of someone else and it was like some dumb thing she would say and then later she's dead by the hands
Starting point is 00:40:07 of someone else and I was like, trip me out, you know? I had to forgive that Sonny White right away. Like and I did, you know? Forgiving Sonny was easier than he thought. He wasn't angry at her. He was angry at Montana and Lake County for how they handled this case, for how they handled Bonnie's and Trisha's cases too. It was the state's fault that a driver could leave a Native pedestrian to die on the side
Starting point is 00:40:32 of the road and think she'd get away with it. A trial date was set for December 2024. LaPaca invited Carissa and Kevin to his office for another meeting. He had some good news. The case had become so high profile that the Montana Attorney General's office sent in one of its best trial attorneys, Thorne Geist, and he'd gotten Micah's blood alcohol content excluded from trial. This was a big win for Chris and Kevin.
Starting point is 00:41:07 Micah had been over the legal limit for walking on the road. But within a couple of minutes, the real point of this meeting became clear. Sonny's attorney came to us a couple of weeks back and wanted to talk about what we think would be a fair resolution to this case. But we wanted to consult with you before we made any formal offer. — So that's a plea bargain, right? — Yeah. — Okay. — A plea bargain.
Starting point is 00:41:32 Karissa is caught off guard. She thought she'd made it clear to LaPaca that they wanted a trial. LaPaca says he is ready to go to trial, but he also wants to offer a plea because anything can happen at a trial. They could lose the whole thing on one jury member. And even if they did win,
Starting point is 00:41:50 Sonny would likely file an appeal. It could take years to work its way through the courts. LaPaca is in this dance with the family. He doesn't have to do what the family says, but he has an incentive to get them on his side because if the family doesn't want a plea bargain, the judge could reject it. So LaPaca keeps pressuring them to consider a plea deal. But then he also keeps trying to make it seem like he's not.
Starting point is 00:42:14 We are not afraid. I don't want you to think we're just trying to settle this so we can go over something. To me, this is an opportunity to make a change. The state prosecutor, Thorn Geist, says he'd like to make a plea offer tomorrow. He needs them to think about numbers. If Sunny pleads guilty to the first two counts, vehicular homicide, and leaving the scene, that gives them up to 40 years in prison. But she wouldn't serve all of the years she's sentenced to.
Starting point is 00:42:41 They'd have to offer to suspend some of that time. The question then becomes this, what does justice look like to this family? To me, the whole point of this trial would be to discourage future freaking homicides. And so my concern is like, and I know that Micah would feel the same way is these other Aryan nations, we've had an influx of these groups moving here recently, they need to see these hard numbers. So there's got to be like 40 years is like oh shit that's my life, my life is essentially done. So what do you think is appropriate? 40 years. 40 straight. Kevin told me his strategy at this point was to offer Sonny an unrealistic deal. So trial would be her only option. LaPaca turns to Carissa. Carissa, you're awful quiet over there. You were just starting to say something.
Starting point is 00:43:35 No, I'm just thinking. When would you like us to tell you what terms I'm in today. If we could get something from you by Tuesday, that would help us out. And as soon as we'll get it all done. Up until this meeting, Kevin and Carissa had presented a united front, even when they disagreed. But this question of whether to keep pushing for trial or to sign off on a plea deal revealed a fracture between them. They didn't discuss it anymore on the way home.
Starting point is 00:44:09 Kevin wanted a trial. Carissa understood. But she also understood that prosecutors were going to offer a plea no matter what. She felt caught between aligning with her husband and showing willingness to work with the state so they didn't cut her out. She didn't want to lose what little control she had. So when LaPaca called her a few days later to ask for a number, she told him 40 years with 20 suspended.
Starting point is 00:44:35 I tried calling Kevin after to see how he felt. He didn't pick up. Instead, I got a call from Carissa. She sounded worried that I'd heard they had a disagreement. A week passed. Sunni still hadn't accepted the plea deal, which was about to expire. Carissa and Kevin headed to court. They sat in the front row.
Starting point is 00:45:03 I sat behind them, waiting for their case to come up. Suddenly, Lipaka approached. He leaned over to whisper in Carissa's ear. Then she leaned over and whispered to Kevin. They followed Lipaka out of the courtroom. When they returned a few minutes later, I couldn't read their faces. Carissa whispered to her dad.
Starting point is 00:45:23 I just wanted to be over here. The judge called up their case. OK, so now we'll go to DC 23344, state of Montana, versus Sunny Catherine White. The courtroom door opened again and Sunny walked in. I have just been handed a plea agreement. Is that correct? That is correct, Your Honor, and I'm sorry for our tardiness.
Starting point is 00:45:46 Oh, it's okay. All right. So, um... I noticed that Sunny had a new tattoo on her forehead over her right brow. It said Arian in blue cursive. So Miss White, with your rights in mind, are you ready to enter into a plea based on the plea agreement? Yes.
Starting point is 00:46:00 As to counts one and two, how do you plead? Guilty, Your Honor. Sunny's defense attorney read the facts. She was pleading guilty too. Sunny as to count one, on or about March 31st of 2023, did you negligently cause the death of Micah Westwolf while operating a motor vehicle while under the influence of drugs in Lake County, Montana? Yes. And you did not render aid or remain at the scene?
Starting point is 00:46:29 Yes. Carissa started crying. She leaned into her dad. I'm sorry. Carissa and Kevin didn't get a trial. But Karissa did get something she hadn't expected. She heard Sonny White admit to killing their daughter. It was a huge almost instantaneous weight off my shoulders.
Starting point is 00:46:58 I just felt it like gone. And that's part of what brought on the crying. I don't know, something just clicked inside of me where I just felt like finally you know she's admitting guilt. Of course Kevin did not feel that way. We just played right into their hand. It was the best-case scenario to get the family to be okay with a slap on the wrist. So I felt dirty. Did you sense how Karissa felt? Like I did feel her relief.
Starting point is 00:47:35 I think that she was really trying to ignore my vibe, which and I totally understand, like she deserves all the credit and she's taken on the weight of this way more than I have. Krissa had asked for 40 years with 20 suspended, but the plea offer Sonny agreed to was 30 years with 20 suspended. What this meant was that Sonny would spend a maximum of 10 years in prison, and she could still request parole and get out earlier. To prevent that, Krissa and Kevin could ask the judge for a parole restriction at Sonny's sentencing hearing, make it so that Sonny'd have to stay in prison the full 10 years.
Starting point is 00:48:22 That way they wouldn't have to keep returning to court to make their case every time she applied for parole. Or they could try to get the judge to reject the plea deal and send it back to trial. Yeah, put them in there. Sonny's sentencing hearing was on a snowy morning this past February. Micah's family and supporters gathered in front of the Lake County courthouse
Starting point is 00:48:43 to put up a red teepee. This was almost two years after Micah's family and supporters gathered in front of the Lake County courthouse to put up a red teepee. This was almost two years after Micah was killed. Carissa handed out Micah Matters t-shirts. I got your shirt right here. Thanks. This is my daughter Lisa. Yeah, hey Lisa. Thanks for coming. Kevin hadn't shown up yet, and Carissa kept looking around for him. Just waiting for Kevin to bring the extension cords for the hot chocolate.
Starting point is 00:49:07 — They'd been fighting. Kevin still didn't want the plea deal. He didn't want to endorse the state's narrative that they were getting justice. But Krissa was exhausted. She wanted it all to be over. She started venting to a friend. — We haven't even been talking. I don't know if we're in survive this, honestly.
Starting point is 00:49:25 It's him, he can't handle what I'm doing, I guess. I don't know. It sucks. I'm going to pull this shit, like, right before this. Selfish. Kevin still hadn't arrived when the sentencing hearing was about to start. Bye, Bordergidden. It's 8.53.
Starting point is 00:49:44 But thank you for being here. Kevin's not too late. The room was packed, most of them here for Micah. Micah's young cousins were curled up on their puffy jackets on the floor. Finally, Kevin arrived, dirty boots, jeans, hoodie. A screen to the judge's right rotated through portraits of Micah and
Starting point is 00:50:05 candid family photos. One by one, the judge called her relatives up to speak. They told stories about Micah. Her great aunt Iris named eight of her own relatives who have been killed on roads in Montana. I got the sense of how relentless grief can be when new cases are opening before old ones even close. Finally, it was Kevin's turn. Judge, this day calls Kevin Howard. He slumped onto the stand, hung his ball cap on his knee. What would you like to say to the court here today?
Starting point is 00:50:41 So as you've all heard, Micah was quite a special person. As a parent, typically we teach our children. I think in my case, I learned a lot more from her than I taught her. He told the story again of Micah in the kitchen, when she asked if he'd ever forgive a person who murdered her. I have no choice but to honor her wishes and forgive Mrs. White for her heinous act. But you know, growing up on this rez, I've lost other family members in similar ways that didn't receive justice. And so for that, I cannot forgive. And tell there's a change that's made.
Starting point is 00:51:28 I hold Lake County responsible. I hold this court responsible. He brought up what Montana Highway Patrol did to Bonnie after her daughter Marina was killed. The same lead investigator of the Highway Patrol, Wayne Beaver, stonewalled Wayne Beaver, stonewalled Mina's mom and basically intimidated her to just back down and let things go. So we are not receiving justice today. Even though we're all here thinking we are, you guys are pacifying us in an effort to continue about your discriminatory practices. She will be granted parole. She's a white lady with two young children. Why wouldn't she? That's the way the system works.
Starting point is 00:52:11 All right. Well, you don't, I know everything that you're saying is completely valid. I totally understand where you're coming from, but you don't actually, you don't know what this court is going to sentence her to yet. Thank you, your honor. And I hope that it's not the plea deal. I hope that that we go to trial and we see exactly how this investigation took place, how we as a family were forced to investigate our own daughter's death. What kind of nonsense is that? You guys need to do better. I mean, how many families do you know personally,
Starting point is 00:52:46 James, that have not received justice? He means James LaPaca, the county prosecutor. Sorry, he can't answer you. I'm done. Yeah, thank you, Your Honor. And you don't agree with the plea agreement? Absolutely not. You would have wanted this to go to trial Absolutely and not not not to just to expose the the the
Starting point is 00:53:11 Treatment that you went through adequate investigation And I it seems like you that you went through the treatment that you were subjected to you know This horrible and I'm so sorry for that. Yet nothing is being done. And, you know, I think that it's powerful for you to come here today, though, to talk about this, and we need to hear from folks like you who have been treated badly. And so thank you for coming and saying all that. All right, thank you.
Starting point is 00:53:46 You can make the change, Your Honor. You can start the change. All right, well, thank you very much. Anything else you'd like to add? No. Okay, you may step down. This is the first time the judges heard that Micah's family doesn't like the plea deal. I wondered if the judge might actually reject the plea and send the whole case back to trial.
Starting point is 00:54:06 But then Carissa took the stand. Hello everyone. Thank you for being here. She pulled out a crumpled sheet from a yellow legal pad. I had to speak up as hard as it was when all I wanted to do was stay in bed and do nothing and just cry, but I couldn't because that's not who I am and that is not the people that I come from. And that's not the values that I instilled in my daughter.
Starting point is 00:54:35 And I had to do what I had to do as hard as it was, so hard. And this is what all these other families are up against when you should just be able to grieve and trust the system, trust the law enforcement to have open communication with you, and to trust that they're doing their job. And I didn't have that trust. And it's breaking our family. It's causing strain between me and my husband. And most families, parents that lose a child, they don't survive the loss of a child.
Starting point is 00:55:13 I don't know if me and my husband will survive this. At the end of her statement, they queued up the ukulele video. And right before they hit play, the judge interrupted. What I want to know though, in addition to everything that you've already testified to, is what you think about the plea agreement. I would like that the tenure, what the attorneys are going to be fighting for, I would like that to be taken into consideration. She asked for a parole restriction, not a trial.
Starting point is 00:55:46 You may step down. Only a few people spoke on Sunny's behalf. They emphasized what a good mother she was. They said she should get a shorter prison term so that she can return to her kids sooner. Her defense attorney said that Sunny was a victim, too. Her husband was abusive. The night Sunny killed Micah, she was escaping a domestic violence incident.
Starting point is 00:56:11 He was the white supremacist, the attorney said. Not Sunny. She shouldn't be the one who shoulders all the blame. And she shouldn't have to be punished for the ways the justice system failed Micah's family. Then she passed it off to Sunny, who stood facing the judge. She wore a cream-colored blouse and read from a piece of paper. I want to start by saying I take responsibility
Starting point is 00:56:34 for my actions in these matters. She immediately started talking about her own kids, how she was still breastfeeding her youngest, how she was staying sober for them. She didn't try to explain or deny her white supremacy affiliations, nor did she take full responsibility for killing Micah. To the family, friends, and loved ones of Micah Westwolf, I give my most sincerest apologies for the horrid pain and suffering that I played a part in causing you all.
Starting point is 00:57:01 All right, thank you. Okay, is there any reason why sentence should not now be imposed? No, you're not. I'm closing you all. All right, thank you. Okay, is there any reason why sentence should not now be imposed? Not from defense. Okay, so I am gonna go along with the plea agreement. Sunny would spend 10 years in prison, but there was still the question of whether or not
Starting point is 00:57:19 she could get parole before then. The judge addressed Sunny directly. I do not find your version of events credible. This is simply you continuing to mitigate your responsibility and blaming others for what you did. So therefore, having been found guilty of count one, vehicular homicide while under the influence, sentences imposed as follows. The defendant shall be committed
Starting point is 00:57:45 to the Montana State Prison for 25 years, with 15 of those years suspended. On the following conditions, the defendant shall be ineligible for parole for a period of 10 years. Ineligible for parole. They had won. Krissa reached for Kevin's hand, leaned into him.
Starting point is 00:58:05 They stayed seated as their relatives huddled around to embrace them. You are remanded to the custody of the Lake County Sheriff for transportation to the Montana State Prison. Alright, anything further? No. Alright, thank you. We are adjourned for the day. Sunny was handcuffed and let out the door. Carissa finally stood and gave Lepotka a long hug. People streamed out around them, glassy-eyed.
Starting point is 00:58:29 Some supporters from the overflow room rushed Kevin. They said he should run for office. He seemed lighter than I'd ever seen him, and surprised by the judge's ruling. In a sense, justice prevailed, you know. It's the best we can hope for. Outside, at the Red Tipi, there was hot chocolate. In a sense, justice prevailed, you know. It's the best we can hope for. Outside, at the Red Tipi, there was hot chocolate.
Starting point is 00:58:56 Krista gave another speech, then checked in with all the television reporters. Those that gave testimony, we did what we came here to do today. Thank you so much. Woo! Woo! Woo! Woo! Woo! Woo! Woo! Woo! Woo! Woo!
Starting point is 00:59:12 Woo! Woo! Woo! Woo! Woo! Woo! Woo! Woo!
Starting point is 00:59:20 Woo! Woo! Woo! Woo! Woo! Woo! Woo! Woo! Woo! she felt bittersweet. She pushed so hard to show other families that they deserve justice. And now here she was, getting what other families didn't get. Throughout the testimony,
Starting point is 00:59:31 I kept looking at Bonnie, Marina's mother, wondering what she was thinking. How did it feel for you to hear Sonny why admit to killing Micah? It felt really good. It felt good. I heard her voice shake a little bit. You know, I pictured the girl that hit my daughter.
Starting point is 00:59:57 I pictured her being up there. I told myself that was okay if that didn't happen for me. I don't have to know why things happened. I cried of happiness, you know, when I left. There is some things, some justice you can get from other people's winnings. Trisha, Aidan's mom, didn't go to the sentencing. She's the one Lepaka told he couldn't file charges because the statute of limitations had passed.
Starting point is 01:00:37 I wanted to go. And then my stomach just, it was probably anxiety or, you know, stress. I asked Tricia how she felt about the outcome. Mixed, mixed emotions, you know, happy, mad. And mad because? Um, because... Why can't it be you? Why can't it be you? That's Trisha's mom, Georgie.
Starting point is 01:01:14 They were sitting next to each other on the couch. Yeah. I'm sorry. No, it's okay. Georgie went to the sentencing hearing instead of Trisha. It gives me hope that Aiden's gonna be next. That there will be some justice. I mean, that's cool. I mean, I pretty much don't have hope anymore.
Starting point is 01:01:46 But I don't want you to not have hope. I don't want Audrey to not have hope. Audrey is her daughter. Trisha's marriage didn't survive Aiden's death. She told me it wasn't just grief. It was the way grief turned her into a different person. An angrier person. A person exhausted from pushing for answers. This is how grief affected all of the other parents I met,
Starting point is 01:02:13 which makes what Karissa and Kevin did feel even more extraordinary. But it cost them too. A week after sentencing, I got a text from Karissa. She and Kevin broke up. When week after sentencing, I got a text from Carissa. She and Kevin broke up. When I talked to her, she wasn't sure what was going to happen between them. She said they were working on it. For the anniversary of Micah's death last month, Carissa told Kevin she wanted to spend the day in the mountains. Just them and their son as a family. Sarah Crane Murdoch. She's writing a new book and a big part of it is this case. Her first book, if you like this story you will really like that one, is called Yellowbird, Oil, Murder, and a Woman's Search for Justice in Indian Country.
Starting point is 01:03:06 It was the finalist for the Pulitzer Prize. ["Yellowbird"] Blackbird singing in the dead of night Take these broken wings and learn to fly All your life to fly all your life you were only waiting for this moment to arise our program is produced today by Miki Miik, Dana Chivas edited the show. The people put together today's program include Jendayi Bonds, Michael Kamatay, Emmanuel Jochi, Angela Gervasi, Catherine Raimondo, Sto Nelson, Ryan Rummery, Frances Swanson, Marisa Robertson-Texter,
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