THIS CAR POD! with Doug DeMuro & Friends! - $40 Million Ferrari Luce? McLaren VS Gordon Murray, and More Manuals!THIS CAR POD! EP125

Episode Date: August 21, 2026

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Oh, and welcome to this car pod. I'm Kenan. I'm Philippo. And I'm Nick filling in for Doug, who is traveling today, but we've got a heck of a show. So without further ado, let's jump on in. That's a nice intro. All right. Ferrari luce.

All right, the very first luce, basically like inventory number is zero. The zero is one. Chassis zero, the first one, which was finished in a tailor-made white with white wheels, sold at our arms up. Summer went down, sold. How much for? $40 million. I was in the room when it happened. Were people aghast?

So it was interesting. If you listen to the recordings that RM has published about this, you hear a lot of people going, whoa, like this. What I experienced was there are people who knew nothing about cars that couldn't believe the number 40 million was just spoken in English. It's a highest auction sale ever, it's my recollection. I don't think ever. Certainly of the week.

Of the week, rather, yeah. I don't think it was of the week either. I think they were cars that sold for more than that. It was that day it was the most expensive car. But RM had a, anyway, that was the whole thing. But the thing I noticed was that people were in two minds. There were people who were crazy about the number, and everybody else who was like, give me a break.

$40 million for a luce. Now, Felipe, tell us why $40 million. Sorry, by the most expensive new car ever sold that auction. Okay. So we're adding caveat. All the proceeds go to the Ferrari Foundation. Right. And so there's a tax deductibility element here that you basically take the 40 million

and subtract out the value of the car. Yep. Value that as you will, as Ferrari will. MSRP a little bit over that, whatever. He said $40 million is what you sold for. A million dollar value, probably something around that. And then the rest is tax deductible, potentially over multiple years.

And the buyer of it is a gentleman that also bought the SP3 for charity last year and is a billionaire and is trying quite hard to be philanthropic. This is a submission that he's spoken very publicly about. He will apparently use this car to aid other. charities and raising money. The extent to which a Ferrari luce helps any charity raise money, I'll leave up to her. That's missing the point entirely. So the guy has a $5 billion net worth.

He has made a pledge, and I believe publicly, to give away at least half of his net. Sure. It is incredibly difficult to give away that much money. So he made a $40 million charitable donation and happens to get a car in return. But this is like, to put this in numbers that people might understand or relate to a little bit better. If you were worth a million dollars, this is like getting an $8,000 car or like, like, donating $8,000. Or if you had $100,000, this would be like spending $800. So this is the equivalent of me donating to my kid's school and getting like ice cream with the teacher.

Like the car is so irrelevant here. To give away $2 billion, $40 million is $0.8% of his net worth. Like this is not, he has to do this every day for the rest of his life. And I don't know how old he is or how long he's going to live. But like, he could give away $40 million for the rest of his life every single day, whether he gets a car or a jacket or a dinner or donate the money, just throwing it out there. I'm accepting donations. You don't need to get something in return.

He can go to Mar-a-Lago and his red hat every day and spend $40 million on dinner every night. Like, it is totally irrelevant. He did not pay $40 million for a car. He made it $40 million charitable donation. nation, and he happened to get a car in return. However, Ferrari will need some press around the car that seemed positive. In my view, I think it is silly. Because it's, like you said, it's not really related to the car at all.

Yeah, I think it's unfortunate. People are conflating this as a luce story. Oh, no, no, this is not a luce story. And the gentleman who did it, I like to call him Herbie, we're tight. Yeah, yeah. Sure. He does go by Herbie, he's actually like a really good guy. Yeah, but all accounts.

He's getting dragged because he spent $40 million on there. But he's like invented UV light cataracts, like surgery for eyes. Like, he's done good for the world and he's trying to give away his money. You know, it's just like it's because it was this car that it's the problem. I agree that it's not really a Luce story. Although you do have to wonder who was bidding $39 million and then stop. I have a hunch. I think we all kind of know.

Because he won that SP3 for notably less. Yeah. But. And one SP3 sold this year for. for like 17 or 18 million. So like in theory, like he did pretty good on that investment, thought that he cares. The point, though, it is very much a Ferrari foundation story.

A Ferrari story, right? Because, like, other people do charity auctions. We auction cars from charity all the time. They're not all, every old Zumbia of Aurora we sell for charity, isn't going for $40 million. Right? Hey, you tell her to be here. My point is, on top of the car,

which he may or may not care about, he has many other cars. Yeah. Including a Mercedes-McClair and SLR. Wow. Man of taste. It also is very much a what gets me decent press, presumably, and also what gets me

an even deeper connection with Ferrari. If I care a lot about Ferrari, it's not necessarily for a resale perspective. I don't think he cares about the ability to sell cars, but he might care about the ability to get anything he wants Taylor made first

because he wants it first for himself. Donating $40 million for the foundation has some benefits. If you don't want to, well, I was going to say, if you don't want an undesirable Ferrari to get on the list, but he still has to own an undesirable Ferrari

to be on the list, Yeah, this is, it's like buying into the level. I don't even think, because that was the initial story was, oh, you're buying allocations. He can already do anything he works. Of course, but it still helps. So here's a couple more context. He donated $100 million this year to the Baptist Health Hospital system of South Florida. He's also donated 50 million at University of Florida, 50 million to UC Berkeley.

I get your point. You're still making a choice, right? You're making a choice to support the Ferrari foundation instead of your local hospital, which is a choice he's already done that. He's got four different hospitals on payroll now. He's still wanting. something out of this 40 million. I don't think so.

The tax eligibility, maybe a piece of it, maybe just has stopped off a guy. But if you are that how much money, you can find ways to give it. There's a lot of other billionaires that have pledges to donate a lot of it. Choosing to do it in this way sends a signal

and it's for a reason relative to starting your own foundation, to giving money to existing foundations, to give money to whatever cost. You are still getting something out of this. And I think the relationship with Ferrari is a piece of it, even if he doesn't need more allocation.

I disagree, but I will say the reason the SP3 went relatively cheap compared to this is because there was people bidding against him this year. He would have kept going because money was literally unlimited at that point. But there was, I think it was what Rick Hendrick was bidding against him up to $32 million. So like, and if you watch the bidding, he like big dogged him a couple times and like up the bidding by like $5 million. Like he was, RM was seeking like a million dollar increment and he just big dog him and it had not like the value of the car is. Nothing to do with the value. The value is meaningless. It doesn't say anything about the luce market at all.

I agree. In my experience with people who operate at this level, too, there are a lot people who don't want that publicly known that they bought the car. Most people who don't want to pay. I'm surprised that he wanted to do it through proxies and things like that. So the fact that he chose to be so public, you know, and I think it's fine that like, again, like if you want to draw attention to the cause that he's donated for it.

I think it's totally fine. And it's his car. You can do it every once with that. I do like that. I did read the car. I had to go back to Ferrari for some for 18. For things, there's a Wall Street Journal article today about him. He's like, I don't know why it's going back Italy.

I don't know what they're doing. So it's not finished and it's already broken. They're going to redesign it. Well, he won't get that lucky. Regardless, it's cool. I'm glad that there's money for charity. He does seem like a very philanthropic, interesting person. I think if you want to really make a statement,

once he gets it back, donated to Cody, aka Whistland Diesel. Let's see some durability testing of this. I'm not sure Whistle and Diesel is interested in giving him to chair. My initial reaction was more similar to what Kenan described. Having watched the McLaren F1 GTR sell for 31.5. And you just like, it made me sad that somehow this abomination was worth more. But once you realize like, okay, this is just a person doing charity donations and the car reserve. The value is meaningless.

Like fundamentally, whether it sells for 20 for 30 for 40 for 50. That was my takeaway of car week in general. Money is like a arbitrary number. We'll circle back to that. I've got lots of thoughts. Well, that's the 40. million dollar Ferrari luce. Let's move on to the next thing.

Oh, something that's a car. The McLaren announced, not at the quail, but of the same morning, that they are going to have a stick shift. Yeah. So we are back in sticks for now. Ferrari, ship by wire. McLaren was careful to say in a way that kind of through shaded Ferrari, but not directly, that this was an authentic stick shift, meaning it was not shipped by wire,

but they refused to, like, take the bait that people were giving them to go full. anti-Ferari, but they are making it clear that this is a quote-unquote authentic stick-shed. Yes, a real manual. First one since F-1. That's correct. First manual from Atlanta since F-1. Did you guys see this in person? I did not.

Okay. It looks amazing. Can I ask a question? It doesn't, in my head, because we talked about this a few weeks ago, that there was a rumor. In my head, it was going to look like every other McLaren, but have a manual. It is a totally different design direction. Instead, it looks like a noble. Yeah.

Is this what we think, is this like supposed to be the halo that drives a lot? I like the styling a lot, actually, but I agree with you. It doesn't strike me as a McLaren at all. Actually, it strikes me closer to the Maserati MC20 in terms of... There's a lot of pictures comparing the two. Yeah. Well, like, the room's like 296. Is this a direction?

Like, is this a start of that, or is this just like an offshoot? It doesn't actually speak to what the rest of the program is. The other interesting thing they said is this slots below the W-1. They don't view this as their new Halo car. It's not performed. Even though wouldn't everyone kind of rather have the stick? The W-1 and the F-80 game are. performance number game and correct what is desirable versus what is the

ultimate high performance are two very different things but I don't know it maybe it is a new direction I have a hunch this is a one-off thing I do think they do need to change their direction in terms of design but then again I think the same thing about law of the Ferrari mid-engine cars look pretty similar since the four or five eight but I'm really it looked better before they shifted away from looking similar to the four-term that's also fair but yeah Manuel McClain I'm very they're doing this, it is a signal to all manufacturers that this is what they should be doing. Yeah.

So, like, in this current age where we want these things. And again, the fact they haven't done this since the F1 is pretty remarkable. Is it a one-off? It's also called the MCL6GT. Which is, to your styling point, it is based off of Bruce McLaren's personal M6GT. So when you look at that car, it does have, like the headlights are very much an homage to that. You can see the retro influences. What's that?

What is the M-CLIN? It looks like this. It looks like this. It looks like a vintage version of this car we're looking at it. So that explains it a little bit. But it also, like your Ferrari comment, Canon that I stole from you on another pod, the fact that Ferrari is doing a manual means it'll probably make its way in other vehicles. And you have to wonder with McLaren, like, if this is successful, and I'm pretty sure it will be,

what other McLaren's might get this transmission now that they are manufacturing it and engineering it and have already built it. It would be interesting to see McLaren pivot from Rich Guy Go Fast to, like, dedicated maintenance enthusiasts cars. It would be quite a pivot. But they could do it. This puts them on the map in a way. Like Lamborghini's CEO went on the record saying manuals aren't a priority for us. Not to say, he didn't explicitly say no, but they said, of our priorities, this isn't high on the list. Yeah.

Yada, yada, yada. So if Ferrari's doing manuals and McLaren's doing manuals, to me, Lambo starts to feel a little like I'm less interested. Yeah. They did say that it's going to be in production in 2008, which implies production. Okay, so that's the... I am pumped for McLaren... As a McLaren owner, I am pumped for this to come out. Yeah, as a McLaren owner.

Yeah, I will say one of the main reasons I'm considering getting rid of my McLaren is due to its lack of stick shift. So I think, I agree, rich guy go fast. I already would argue that that's maybe not an appropriate stigma for all McLaren models. But you put a major one in it... Which isn't that fast, yeah. And it is, I'm here for it. I'm so excited to see the brand doing big things

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Yeah. This car, so the S-1, it's interesting. So Gordon-Marie, when they came out with the T-50, it kind of looked like its own thing. The ethos was McLaren F-1, but it looked like its own thing. Then they did the Nicolada edition, and then they've inched closer and closer and closer to the McLaren F-1. And the S-1, if you look at a picture of it,

really looks like a McLaren F-1. Like, they really, I think they're, like, pushing as close as they possibly can until they get sued by McClearn F-1. Doesn't it seem like the vehicle they did put out last year at Quail was like basically missing headlights? And I thought I had read a story that basically said like they ran out of time. They're going to build five, right? That was the thing. And it feels like this year the car is largely the same except for now they got around to the headlights, which made them even more F1 looking.

And then they announced a production run of 65 is it? 64. 64. How many T50s? I thought T50 was 100, I think. Something like that. They're very low volume. But this is substantial in relative.

Volatile to their other models. Yes, but also, like, you know, production numbers are not that similar to McLarenf 1 again. It is, it's a fascinating car. This is what the people want, though. 4.2 liter, naturally aspirated, you know, cause were developed V12, under 1,000 kilograms, which is just insane. And it is tiny. It is a really small little bit of a lot of car. The T50, my argument is if there's a picture of the rear of this car, the difference between this and the T50 is this looks good, and the T50 has a fan on the back of it.

I know Gordon Murray wants the whole fan thing. The F1 had the fan, but they were hidden. This kind of fixes all those problems. And, I mean, even the logo looks like the F1. I mean, it really is. Well, S1 is as close as you can get. I know, sounding-wise. And even the way that they designed the S in that logo,

kind of looks more like an F than an S to me. Or at the very least, like, a reasonable person might think that it looks F-like. Look, they know what they're doing. Yes. It is not subtle. If you bought a T50 because you won the last McLaren F1, we'll have bad news for you.

The S one, it's like the last F1. Can I ask two real questions? Please. I know this is a bit. You're taking a nap to this whole thing. I'm participating. Fundamentally mechanically, is it any different than a T50? I'm sure the suspension has been tweaked.

And the arrow because of the fan thing. But fundamentally, same engine broadly, same transmission. Yeah, still a six-speed manual. 65 is a lot more than I would have expected. for what is like a special edition version if the 100 is their regular production run. When I've been told they're all sold out. Yeah, I imagine.

Which is not like a surprise. But yeah, that's about right. Is what you're implying, though, that GMA came out. Go to Mary Academy. Yep. I came out with the T50 and T33. Never hear about the T33.

I've never heard that about since it came out. But it exists. They were like, okay, are we going to get sued by McClare? And then they just keep pushing that envelope. That's kind of. like, oh, we haven't been sued yet. Let's make it look more like the F1. I think that's the case. And I think McLaren actually would be probably relatively lenient given that the F1 was designed so many years ago. And the guy who designed that is the guy designing this.

Yeah. They've looked back at that employment contract and seen what was proprietary. Maybe. Obviously, conspiracy theory. I also think, though, if I were a McLaren, I'd say, the F1, reminding people of the F1 reminds people that that was a McLaren and helps elevate their brand and give McLaren more heritage and history, which is why Ferraris are so valuable, is the story behind it, the history of that. So it doesn't hurt that people are talking about F-1s and saying, oh, now they're making a throwback to it, what have you. I also think it reminds me a little bit of Stalantis's like, oh, this is the final call, this

is the last call, this is the special. Like, it's sort of like, okay, well, the demand is so heavy. How do we change it just a little bit and sell a couple more units? Because at 20 million plus per unit, like, it's kind of hard not to. You also have to assume that Gerdemory Academy won't be building any new clean sheet cars. Gordon Murray, relatively publicly, has not been doing great health-wise. I hope he's gotten a little better. I saw him and he looked very thin, but I did talk to him and I told him.

Yeah. Which we absolutely are. But I could imagine that, like, it will be a little bit of revisions of a similar platform, which also makes sense. It's a new platform that 50 came out very recently. Totally. I could imagine to be the end of the run. I can see that. My understanding, having watched him talk about GMA, specifically, not just the cars. They intend to build other stuff. I think that they, this is such a remarkably good way for them to get capital to do that.

Yeah, true. I mean, it is already taken care of in terms of engine transmission. It is. It is, in essence. And so, like, if, I have a hunch that, like, Gordon may be, I don't know if he was reluctant to do something so derivative of the former car. but I do think that he wants as much money as possible to keep this thing going and then to work on other cool interesting projects. So we'll see, but you're right. We saw a lot of T50s this year, but eventually T33 hadn't started production yet, so I would expect... Oh, has it not? Okay, great.

I don't think that any have been delivered yet, but we will see those expected color. I think the T50 is actually really cool in person, too. To the thing is so cool. You got to experience it. At Velocity, there were five, lots of mutation all. There were five parked next to each other. We saw a lot. Yeah.

We saw them street park. There was probably 10, well. That's got to be all of them. And you see them driving, too. The type of people that are buying those are the type of people that actually drive them. And I think with these cars, it maybe is a little bit more intimidating.

Not that a T50 is replaceable, but it's less irreplaceable, maybe. Only by a couple units. Well about 35. I heard, the conspiracy theory I heard was that the next Gordon Murray Academy vehicle is going to be a four-door EV designed by Johnny I.

They're going to charge $40 million, and it's going to go to the Gordon-Murray Foundation. Didn't the Ferrari Foundation? Doesn't that sound totally... It's like the People's Fund from Seinfeld. Money for People. The Ferrari Foundation?

You have some questions. Yeah. And honestly, reading up more about it doesn't answer that many. Yeah. I'm shocked at that. It's like employment program. I'm going to develop, I'm going to sell EVs and all the proceeds benefit the Nikki Loeb Foundation.

It don't, that's all you need to know. Loub for people. Yes. All right. You got $5 billion lying around. Let's talk. I got to a bespoke vehicle. Let's talk for no more than a minute

about the Asthmaugh and Valian what you got to say about this. I got way more than a minute. Too bad. A lot of really cool cars at the quail. Some were utter BS. Some were not. What does this fall?

This falls into the knot. Oh, okay. Aston designs lately have been fired. We saw a lot of Valparees and the lores. The Valen, certain angles look different than others. On the whole, though, I think this was, I mean, like, in terms of,

I don't think this looks Mustang at all, but from this particular angle, I see more V-A advantage. Really? V-A-advanted, what, the current one or the first one? The first one. I don't acknowledge the second one. Are you blind? No, think about the long hood.

This is deep GT-3-50. All right, well, tomato, I don't see any Mustang. Look, there's a GT350 sitting right there. Yeah, and I would not confuse the two. No offense to Nick Stafford. I think it was absolutely gorgeous. I wanted desperately throw a stick in it and sell it for a reasonable price. They obviously will not.

I assume the AMG engine. Well, Astor Martin could put a stick in. Astor Martin, new purchase prices are never reasonable. It's the secondary market that... My boys at DC Motor Works can put a manual in it

since it's an AMG motor. Shout out to Cameron Andy. What other... What cards is Ascent Macra? So we know about the Vantage, the Vanguish, the Vanguish existence. Valhalla. That's what I'm wondering about.

So there's the Valhalla, there's the Valkyrey and the Valour, which somehow, one of them looks like this. Google words that start with... Vanguish... V and you got their whole lineup. The Valhalla is like the... That's the mid-engine supercarry.

The Valkyrie, Doug did a review. We'll talk more about that. The Valiant, Valiant? Valiant? Valiant? It looks somewhat like this, right? The Valiant, Robin. Yeah, it looks, yeah, it looks something like this.

We sent a picture in our group thread to the group, and Doug goes, what on earth is that? And you pointed out, it says, Valin across the back in all caps. Didn't help them, which I don't blame him for. That's a car. I honestly think all of the Aston's driving around. were beautiful. To me, also, my other takeaway was the V8 Vantage, Gen 1 is the cheapest way to fit in a car week. I can't, those cars are just criminally undervalued. I highly disagree with

you. I think that, like, you could do it with an AZ1. You could just a lot less. You could do it with a lot of cars to fit in. AZ1 is a meme car to me. There was someone that I, I'm Instagram friends with that had a green on green V8 Vantage stick. And I'm like, that is the coolest way to spend 40 grand or whatever they cost. other than an Ethernet and 5, which I'm told fits in. Oh, 15 grand gets you there. Let's table the whole car week. Sean and his little alpha remain.

That's expensive. It's more valuable than advantage. No. Depends on to the advantage. All right. Let me want to actual important news. Oh, yes. Well, this is a Porsche podcast.

We have to talk about Porsche. So we're not a Porsche podcast. Remember, remind the people. Sure. We're not a Porsche podcast. Right. What card do you drive here in here today? I have Porsche, but I don't have that many cars.

Right. You just, okay. Okay. Anyway, Porsche 9-11. So the big news is that Porsche announced for the Carrera S variant, they're going to offer an MT package which stands for manual transmission.

They're giving us a six-speed manual in that car. Because before, if you want, in the current range, if you wanted a manual, either get a Carrera T. Which is great, but not that powerful. Or GT3. Yeah, there's a, but there's a pretty big chasm, both in performance and price between those two cars. So they felt that filling the need with the Carrara S

made a lot of sense. Now, of course, it's not going to exactly be inexpensive. The base price for the coop is 169,000. But keep in mind. Okay, so the manual, which comes in like a package that adds some other things. Which I'll get into in a sec. It's 10 grand, is 10-grant-ish. So the MSRP of Eddie CarreraS is in the 150, 160 range base.

It's not grand on top of that. Less than 10% extra to have a six-speed manual instead of the PDK is a trade I'd make. Plus, you've got to imagine value retention is going to be excellent. US only. Because it is funny that America has become the bashed of the manual transmission. Isn't that crazy? We wanted automatics forever. There was news recently from the UK, which historically you think of,

of as European, even though they're not really, and liking manuals. 70% of cars sold last year were automatics in the UK even. Things have changed. Things have changed. In the U.S. with the E6m5 was the place where the manuals, the F10M5, F10 and 5 was the place where the manuals lived, and that remains true with this. Which I'm very happy about, but you wouldn't know what else you get with that package. I really would prefer not to know.

I'm going to tell you. Because it's going to change my perception of it. So you get sport chrono, which makes sense. Great. You get center lock wheels for weight savings, allegedly. Which you have to measure just to look cool. It does. And it does.

But here, my favorite, you'll like this, Nick. One of the signature effects that you get, you get a red S badge on the rear. Okay, that's how you know. It's notable. Yep. But my favorite thing, the puddle lights show a shift pattern when you open the door. You told me that, and I just, I just,

it's almost as upsetting as a $40 million luce in terms of just total BS. Surely you can Sonderwishing that out. Or just give Nick a pride to one. Alibaba, you get a couple LEDs and swap them out. I mean, most people do the opposite. They go on Amazon or Alibaba and add those puddle lights. You could probably sell them on eBay for, you know, he gets $20, 30 bucks. Exactly.

The Sunderlocks are the only thing to me that's striking. They're largely incredibly inconvenient. If you're not tracking where, like, pit stop times are important, like, I would not want this. Like, I would prefer, other than it's like a cool fly. to your Porsche buddies, which you guys might care more about. Don't care at all. To me, you own a Porsche. I don't have a Porsche.

You and Philippa both are more. I'm sorry for you that you've been missing out for so long. I don't care about that either. I do think that it's cool that they're putting the manual in this. That makes it... And that's worth 10 grand alone. It makes a 992 a little bit more of an actual enthusiast car and a place where it's gotten so expensive.

And kind of large. And big and heavy. It's not actually that heavy, but big. It's big. Keep mind. The 991 is lighter than 997. Nine2 is heavier than that. Our last three stories have been on steaks.

Wow. The Maserod. We're just skipping a whole lot of cars here, including the Aston we talked about. But Stick coming to 9-11. Very excited about that. Apparently people want sticks. Tell me about the Ruelo-Vo-Sv. The Ravelto SV was also revealed at The Quail.

A motorsports gather. It has over 1,000 horsepower. It has revised arrow, a bigger wing. The SV graphics, you can actually choose, much like the Mercy, if it's bigger or smaller and on the door or on the back. You can't get the... Frankly. The door would be cool to do the Diablo thing.

Yeah, yeah. The sentiment was like it's iterative, it's a little underwhelming, even though it's a thousand horsepower. What doesn't have a thousand horsepower now? Yeah. You can get a rivium with a thousand horsepower. Porsche's.

Yeah. It is not a manual, unlike the other cars that we've been talking about. It does look very nice in person. You almost got a little bit of a modded Revuelto vibe. You get strong Stradman. We'll do this as regular Rwoldo. I think he already did.

It's already got a body kit on it, and he did a contrast. Shut up to Strad, who we love. Yeah, I saw him out there vlogging, which was kind of fun. But it gives a little bit of those vibes. I think it's very cool. I'm sure it will sell well. And I don't think the SVs historically happen that crazy.

Like the SVJ, which maybe they're leaving room for a crazier version on the Eventador was pretty wild. But like the Mercy SV, like it's got some revised bodywork, but it's nothing extreme. That sounds right. It's not like an entirely different vehicle. It's not like a Reventon where it was like, okay, this is, a totally crazy unique vehicle. It was like, okay, we, we dialed up

the knot by 10% or 20% in terms of the crazy factor. I guess so. I mean, the Rebenson clearly was just bodywork to develop the or SIA, like, which we saw that. I mean, like, it's never, the SVs never their most extreme variant. I know what makes.

I'm not surprised that a thousand horsepower at this point, when a normal one's about, 800 something, like power, it can't get faster. Money and horsepower are all are all free. After last year. Cars and big. is heading back to the track.

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But the real excitement happens on October 17th. We're concluding the bidding live right there on site at Willow Springs. We're currently accepting consignments of high-end sports and racing cars for this curated collection. If you have a car that deserves a spot in this auction, or if you want to experience the most innovative collector car event of the year in person, you need to head to the events page at Cars &Bids.com. All right, let's keep a bit. GRGT. Allocations for the US management are sold out. They're making a very, very limited number, which is why they're sold out.

This is very deliberate for this production run. They've implied that there will be more allocations later. But they have sold out. You guys saw this? No. Was that the quail? I saw it. It looked like.

I saw it briefly, but it was. That's what I want to know. How does it look like in person? I think it's penis. Yeah. I'm shocked that there's interest in this. It's cool. It's a VA.

It looks as awkward in real life as it does in this photo, which is like their proportions and how stretch it is. It's not my cup of tea. Yeah. I do love it. Because it is fundamentally, Toyota, the CEO of Toyota, was like, I'm a racing driver. I want to have a car in my brand that is a true sports car. So there's this, there's a GT3 version, there's the LFA.

It's cool that they built this when they absolutely did not need to. It doesn't help their overall brand in the least. GR as a sub-brand is confusing and this all get out. They didn't need to do this, but they did, and that's great. I love the idea of it, but to me it looks like a Vailside RX-7. then someone like when they copied and pasted it forgot to like hold the aspect ratio and it got stretched

so it's like a really long kind of ugly a tuner car that the top reminds me of an S-2000 hard top but the rest of it I can't I can't say anything I know what he's saying yeah Nick is on one today he had way too much Celsius

only one that's all it takes it's iron height oh yeah yeah you're gonna yeah you back

This podcast is off the rails. I mean, it's fine. To me, if you think of like the LFA or other like iconic JDM supercars, hypercars, that didn't look great at it. The styling, yeah, this, the styling, though, really doesn't do anything. But the LFA looked like... I like the LFA looked futuristic and kind of cool, the kind of push design.

I don't feel that this does. But I'm happy it exists. I'm happy the engineers were allowed to go do something fun. Basically what this is. No, this is like true passion at a car company, the size of Toyota. is rare and surprising that they greenlit this, and that's cool. And so I'm not gonna just rain on their parade,

but I do have to admit, it's not the prettiest thing I've ever seen. The fact that it was there and you didn't notice, said something. There were a lot of cars. I was looking at the F-4s. There were so many, and a lot of them were like these one-off cars

you'll never see again, and like this certainly falls in. Like, maybe we'll see a couple, but. We'll circle back to that again. We'll get some. Yeah, all right, let's keep going. Okay, tires. Tires.

Tires. Tires, they exist. I want to correct some misunderstandings here. Okay. The state of California has, their like tire commission or the environmental commission, has passed a new rule that goes into effect between now and 2035 in like stages. That basically means that new tires sold to consumers. So when you get replacement tires for your car,

need to be as energy efficient and low rolling resistance as tires that are put on the car by the manufacturer. Right now, for most people, you buy a new car, like your Sorrento, a couple years for now, four years from, whatever. I can't put drag slicks on it. So the new tires, the tires that you buy, likely, currently, would be less, notably less efficient than the tires that are made for the manufacturer. Manufacturers come up with agreements. The tire companies, they make custom things to improve their fuel economy. The state was asked in a 2005 law, so it's taking them 20 years to get here, to come up with some rules around this to make fuel economy better, like help people maintain that.

And so there will be new rules that limit the tires that can be sold in the state of California. something like 70% of tires that are currently sold will not be eligible based on these rules. Wow, okay. So tire manufacturers are kind of complaining. The goal of the state is to improve efficiency and save people money at the gas pump, even though there's some recognition

that'll cost a little more on tires. The thing that people are getting kind of wrong here is that there's a ton of exceptions. So any kind of like racing tire, fully exempted. If you're going to the track, those tires are exempted. Tires about 37 inches, it's like off-road tires exempted. There's a bunch of other exemptions. 37s are pretty big.

Yeah, but it's what you're going to the track. you have on like a Bronco, a Sasquatch. Yeah, but like I put 33's on my P38, and that was like as big as you could fit. Like, basically, if you have a new car, sure, but like for most cars, 37's like,

that used to be huge. I hate to tell you, State California's not focused on P38 Fitment. They're focused on cars. Dude, they made me smog the heck out of my car. Yeah. There are a lot of exceptions that make it a little less concerning,

and I think there'll be a lot of implementation rules that change. Is it the state overreaching? Yes. Is it also? So I understand the impetus, which is most consumers are not realizing that. And it's costing them what the state estimates is a couple hundred dollars a year. And fuel economy, because the fuel economy will decrease because the tires aren't equivalent

to what you get on a new car. Certainly. Think what you will about that. But I do want to clarify that it's not actually quite as like it. It is not going to mean that you can't get your tires for your performance car. Also limited production, which I think is 1,500 tires runs aren't included. There's a bunch of exceptions that mean that you can still get your... My PS4S is from...

With maybe some redevelopment. There might be some changes. So I might have to go to Arizona to buy tires. Right. Or Mexico. This is the problem with... Yeah. Great job at moving money out of the state, losing out on sales tax, and making the state

even more bureaucratic and embarrassing. The counter argument of that the state would make is, first of all, we were told to do this by lawmakers. There's not like a just government state. Like, we're told to do this. The other argument they would make is for the vast majority of consumers, because of this difference between what OEMs are putting on their car and what you are able to replace it with, you don't have, like, you don't know

that there's a difference, but there is, and that is actually costing you notably, something like 2%, there's like a 2% overall decline in consumer car CO2 emissions, for example, from this rule. That's not zero from one rule. Like that rules of this stack are hard to have a real impact.

Sure. I don't feel like it sounds like the plastic straws to save the environment. It's thought of prayers. It's actually more notable than that, which is why it's worth mention. 2% I can find a lot better CO2 savings. Not really.

Across an entire thing. Stop looking at the automotive industry. Like, it's the wrong place. I mean, of the automotive emissions. Yeah, but why optimize for like... I don't disagree with you. I'm reporting the news. He's killing the messenger.

And adding caveats where people are really getting it wrong, which is there is a lot of miscommunication around it, around it. It really meaning that you can't have... Fair, but I think everyone's rightfully riled up. This is a terrible law that absolutely should not pass. And, like, is at the detriment of every enthusiast. Like, why would we want more red tape? Have you ever gone to discount tire and even tried to change your tire size by a tiny bit?

Like, maybe you want more. Well, that's a discount tire decision. No, but, I mean, that already makes it a huge pain in the butt. If now the lawmakers, Johnny Law is saying, oh, you can't put a 200 treadwear tire on your car. Counterpoint, we're like, you're, who's your wife goes to getting you tires. She's done in the cars, right? She just wants tires that are about equivalent to what she currently has. The tires that you buy, even if you think you're getting the same brand and thing,

you might lose 10% of your fuel efficiency. You would probably rather get a tire that matches up with what you have. So I understand some of that. I think that the consumer should be allowed to make that decision and not the lawmakers. My wife can choose the right trade-off between miles per gallon and performance and grip. Not offered. And so the state is basically saying, hey, actually, you have to meet basically what you're putting on the cards when they're new. Well, maybe this is a political debate here on how much government overreach is allowable.

really clear. Yeah. I'm not a huge fan of this, but I do think it's been a little bit sensationalized in the three days since I'm going to be buying some R8888 after this call hangs up. Our triple-th, hell yeah. After this call hangs up.

Yeah. In better news for you, Leno's law has come out of committee and it's likely to actually pass it. It's the furthest it's ever been, which is, it's also a lot of loopholes and exceptions. Once things come out of committee, they actually have a decent chance of passing. They don't come out if the people don't think that.

What your rule, it changes. It's not rolling, but it'll be a... 35 years. A 35. We'll be 35 rolling, or is it? That's the dream. But it starts not, that's your side. Yeah, it actually is a pretty good law.

My M5 is 25. We'll turn 25 in October. And so we're getting closer to that. We will, as it gets further in and passes the House and the State Senate, we'll get more. Cool. All right. There's some other, there's more new stories. Can I summarize this really quickly?

Please. Jaguar Land Rover, famed reliability brand, has decided to, in order to avoid some tariffs, move defender production to the U.S. And they will be sharing factories with Stalantis, which is another brand known for their excellent bill quality construction. I think that's all that needs to be said about that. The joke writes itself. There's so many opportunities.

I figure if we should leave it to the... This is too low-hanging fruit. Like a school textbook. We'll leave the exercise to the student. Fair enough. Wow, that is a tough decision. I get it. They need to move it.

They can't make pricing competitive. They're paying a ton in tariffs. Salantis surely has some excess capacity. Clearly, this is what you would want, right? Like, your tariffs are actually creating more jobs in the U.S. Because production is moving here. There's just a lot of concerns that I would have if I'm Jaguar Land Rover, and I already have a tough...

This is going to be the thing where you know the year of when you don't buy one made after this point. This is a non-binding memorandum to do this. It's not actually moving yet. Okay. The counterpoint would just be if you're buying a Land Rover, you already know that reliability is a problem. problem, and so, and you've accepted that and built that into your decision. So what's the difference? Also, if you know these cars, well, there are exposed like hex screws for style. A lot of

other Solanthus products, the caliber, the nitro, have had the same by accident. Yeah. And so you're used to it. By accident. You're used to it. That's good. It works out. All right. All right. There's so much new set. Smith, performance. Famed maker of pickup truck conversions for JETAs and A4s. And other cars. is closing. They're transitioning to building drones for the U.S. government. That is not a joke.

What? They're taking orders through 2027. So if you want a kit to turn your Jetta into a Jetta pickup truck, go now. Or forever be struck down by a drone. That's so weird. What a bizarre pivot.

Maybe not drones, but drones. Right. Right. Okay. Weird. They sent us an email to all their prior customers and it's on their website. But the death of a very niche, but very cool industry. I'm sure another one will pop up with 3D printing and all that.

You should do this with a B8S4. That feels like something you need. I'm not sure that's a high priority. It's like Lamborghini with manuals. Like, it's interesting, but maybe not the top of my life. If I just say this for a couple, I'll stop saying, and then six months, you have a great idea. I should get out of color.

That's right. That's what it will happen. I know you. If I can find a way to put three seats across, like sort of the defender-style seats, like Army style, and I could make the seat like nine people, then I might be a number. By the way, I should have said they're making 25 more kits.

25. You want one now. Go now. Go now. Go to day. That's probably years worth of demand. By the way, incredibly, I was close. They're building drone boats for the U.S. military.

Okay. You know, engineering is engineering. Right. It's all bolts. You as a viewer can decide whether you'd prefer that he spent his time building kits for a force. All right. Soon, you guys on your drive to and from Monterey, presumably saw a lot of police officers.

Yep. No. I did not. He left early. I saw someone pulled over every 20 minutes. Including one in a Camaro police car, like a bunch of cool police cars. But this is quite the interesting cop car.

Dodge, which came out of the police car game when they stopped building the charger, is going to get back into it with a new charger four door. It's only going to be the Hurricane 6-ilner, and they're all going to have all-wheel drive. But soon you'll have new distinctive headlights and taillights to look out for. That's exactly right.

I think this looks so cool, to be honest with you. It does. It does. Dodge Law, which is the real division of Dodge. Of course it looks cool. Yeah, it looks awesome. Yeah, I do, I have, you know, you've gotten used to what to look for for police now. Like, I've gotten really good at it.

But, yeah, to have to learn a whole new thing. But I would imagine the lighting treatment on this is pretty distinctive. So it would be pretty easy. It's not like they've sold many, so you can kind of assume. Right, yeah. But the same way you saw four tourists after a certain point, you're like, oh, that's a police car. Yeah. Or like a Chevy Caprice.

Those were only police cars. Right. You know. Basically, whenever I see a Dodge Charger or an explorer, I slow down. I know that there are tells, like the roof rails and all that. But Durangoes, which CHP uses, do not have roof rails on their consumer versions. That's right. And that's really, really annoying because that's the easiest tell.

Yeah. But it's, yeah, it's contact. Why don't you have radar detector? Well, I do. We have your Alibaba one that doesn't work. Yeah. It goes off all the time. I got a nice one on the SLR.

The rest, I just, you know. My V1 worked great, whole way, just saying. Something to consider. But exciting, I guess. New police cars. New police cars. V6, oh, excuse me, Hurricane's Inline. Yeah.

So, six-cylinder and all for the drive only. Exciting, okay. All right, we're thankfully. And that is with us cutting multiple stories. We cut all of the consumer cars stories. There's a new Tucson. Go look it up. Ford is building a Bronco-based pickup.

We don't have any pictures. Tesla maybe have a minivan in the work. There's a lot of other stories. We'll get to them eventually. Dark Horse. I see convertible. That's cool. But instead, we're going to talk about Carweek.

Yes. So, Nick, and unfortunately, Felipe did not attend Carwick this year. I was asked many times. I both couldn't make it and decided very actively that I was okay missing it. Yeah. And so it was Nick and I went with some of our friends, and producer Sean, went to Carwick this year. And I have to be honestly, a lot of people have talked about how it's become like too much. And it's like, I agree.

What does too much mean? Well, for instance, in Carmel, like this particular time. So they, for whatever reason, they decided to close 17 miles that you couldn't, like, to non-residents. Which was true on the weekend beforehand. Like, historically it has been true. But the, yes, but no, like, it was, we had passes because we were lucky. We know someone who lives there, who was very kind. Shout out to Eric.

But we, there was, like, we went and sat on 17 mile and saw nothing. I mean, nothing. For like 40 minutes we sat there, like. All right, eventually. I think I saw a nicely modded M4. The C8 went by it thing. Yeah, a base C8. Oh, God, the M4.

Don't get me started. But yeah, it was, but Carmel was rowdy. I have not seen that many people in Carmel in a long time. We've done Carway several years and I don't know. I thought the rowdiness was contained to Monterey, the town of Monterey. Not this time. Like that's like an implicit agreement that you want to rub your hurricane, you do so in seaside. It was, what prompts me to say this is I went back and watched some videos.

from 2010, 2012, what it was like at Carmel. And of course, those are the cars like the year of I'm most interested in. But, like, it just felt like everything just, it was just like so many supercars this year. And it's just, like, overwhelming to the point, like, I just became apathetic to it after a time. And it just felt like everything is so financially out of reach that it's just, like, not relatable. That said, like, I showed up in my M5, had a wonderful time. But the best part was hanging out with my friends. Like, that's, and like, seeing people I only see a couple times a year because of the

the auctions that we all go to. That was my, like, favorite part. And the drive up there was, I had so much fun. And the drive back, like, using my M5 as intended was really great. And I really, like, I really enjoyed that. And riding around in your car, like, which was a great car week car. A lot of people saw it with all the cars and bids. That's right. Horrible graphics on it. An L-405 cabriolet. It got a lot of attention. It got a lot of attention. I think apathetic is a good word for it. I wrote down disillusioned. Yeah, that's good, too. There's just something where, Like, on one hand, it's really special to see, like, F40s. Like, we saw so many driving.

We got some cool photos of that. So a lot of special Aston's. You see a lot of cars moving, which was really exciting. It is. You see everything that you've never seen before. Every bit of that, it was just, like, the level of wealth and flashiness. And just, like, even the $40 million luce, like, all of it just felt like it's this alternate universe.

And it just, it's too much. I almost, it reminds me of, like, college when you have too much tequila. and then you wake up the next day and you're like, I'm never drinking tequila again. Like, I know I will drink tequila again one day, but like I'm good on tequila for a while. Yeah, I get it. That is how I feel right now. Like, I'm good. I don't want any more.

I don't want mescal. I don't want tequila. I don't want anything that looks or smells like it for a while. Like, I'm going to drive my Kia Sorrento and just like sort of recover from me. I just, yeah, I don't want to even think about cars. But it was interesting. So I came back from this and the craziest thing was I was in downtown San Diego and an STO went by and I've lost my mind. I was like, you never see an SDO driving. But when I met Carwick, I expect

to see be passed by Averon's. I expect to see a GT1 on the road. I expect to sail it. And that's a weird man, that's a weird headspace to be in. Yeah. It's not normal. You get disappointed when a rental car goes by you in Carmel. It's like, oh, why are you wasting space? That could be at Eventador or it could be a Veron. Traffic parked in Ling Carmel. I can't have to drive around for an hour to find a parking spot. I think it was also some of the debuts of cars were a little cynical. So without naming names, the Louis Vuitton edition singer. Yikes. Like, they know their audience.

And like, it's almost like the quiet part allowed where it's like, okay, you know that a lot of your buyers have no taste. But to admit it that publicly and like flaunted of like, hey, I want the trashiest new money people ever to buy this car. The baguadi that was revealed was actually really beautiful. The Destre. But like all of these cars, it's not for car enthusiasts anymore. It is for rich guys. I made a list of cards that were revealed during this. Please.

There was a Flockbow RS one-off Porsche thing. We saw that. Kind of cool. On a scale of 1 to 10, I'd give that like a 7. All right, there was a Cadillac car that was maybe the originally going to be a production car, but now it's just a race car. I give that like a 9. That's actually really cool. We talked about the Robel to us V.

There was a new spiker. I'm so mixed on that one. The C8 something. I love spiker, and I feel like they chose green with rose gold in a way that was so ostentatious and so. hard to look at, frankly, that I think, had I seen it in another color, I would have been like, okay, like this is a nice, cool, modern iteration of it.

But this spec alone, just, you know, it made me think like, okay, I need to, my other car is a six by six, and I made all my money. And you've wrapped a gold already. It's rose gold at that. It wasn't, it was just like, it was a lot. My hero is Andrew Tate.

Like, it just, it's so hard. God, that is, it does have a manual. Yeah, no, it's a cool car. I love the car. The spec makes me a little sick to my stomach. The Ferrari CZ26. Cool.

It's seven. Yeah. These are all real cars, though. Yeah, there was a Koenigzegg, CCX, GT, which is somehow different than the other Konexx. Don't ask me how. There was the Brabos-Boto convertible. Actually, pretty cool. That, I have a picture.

We have a picture taken in Carmel of a bunch of car spotters walking in front of it. down the street with the CEO Brab is driving it but I'm sure he felt very happy and he was like screaming it's the Brabiz CEO yeah it was a bit wild situation

there was a singer spider it was a singer spider the new Valeria I liked yeah the Audi Nuvalari personally I thought that was so cool like the details on that car were amazing I got to talk to the head designer of that thing

and it was so cool like even like it's a very Kenan thing admittedly but like the rear of it like there's an Audi logo that's made out of a single piece of a billet that's brushed and then it's inlaid into the carbon fiber.

Which I'm sure the designer told me is like, the engineers gave so much pushback on that. They didn't want to have to. How are we going to do this? It doesn't add anything to the car. But it was so understated and cool to me. Yeah. I would take this over to Mario any day of the week.

In person. Is that what it is? It's a tamarrio. It's different though. Somehow it's lighter and has more power. Yeah, because it's carbon body. And more limited, more expensive. But to me, it's like the old.

R.SQ8 versus the Uris. Like, this is a car. But this is more expensive. Instead of the RSQA, which is a cheap war. Agreed, but it's like a little bit more tasteful, a little more subtle, like a little bit. You know what they told me? I thought this was interesting. It was like, he told me, you know, back in the day we gave Landbergini's the R8s, we gave

them the platform. Now it is our turn to have the special car. That's exactly what he said, which I appreciate so much. But it was, they also, they're going to offer it in colors. It's not all just going to be this. I'm okay if it is. I would prefer it just be this, I think, personally. But I thought that was like, all like the, because it's like understated, everything is so over the top.

But I thought that like, yeah, like the spike. But I think that that car just to me wasn't. And it's like, I don't know. I just, that was like, it was like being handed like a mint. It was like just refreshing the palate. It was nice. But my point with all this is it's just so hard to keep up with. And there's so much to see.

And like, I didn't get to go to the track for Historic. I didn't get to go to Legends of the Autobahn. Like we just, our days were packed of just trying to do as much as we could. We could have probably prioritized less exotic and hypercar events and gone more to the legends and sort of the like

I would rather have done that. Obtainable special cars versus like the truly exotic. That's not who you guys are though. No, but I think also when you are a little bit. I like encountering stuff accidentally. Like I had passed by an Enzo.

That was really cool. Or when I ran to the DK Engineering Squad when we were coming back up the up Highway 1. That was incredible. But, you know, I don't know. It just, at this point, it doesn't feel like you're seeing the animals in the wild. You're just kind of going to the zoo, basically, is what it feels like for the cars. Like, that's like, it's like, they're just so content.

I don't know. It just felt like kind of synthetic and just, like, made me feel very poor. Is it all pretty conspicuous consumption at that point, too? Like, people who are rich. Because in the last couple years, I've seen, like, on social media and the car world, everybody knows that it's such a cool event and like so many cool things that if you're rich you in the past maybe you wouldn't have gone but like now you're like oh i got to go because everybody else my group is there and i got to show off and then it becomes like not yeah that's i just came away

from it feeling like drained and like i didn't i don't feel the need to go you don't feel the every year in the past you've come home and be like i'm so excited for car break next year yeah this year not so much like honestly and i don't like i felt last year i think yeah it's like i will go because I work in the industry, of course. But like, it feels more like, honestly, I was thinking leaving Saturday afternoon, being like, I could be home. I thought about that. Sam did too.

So we all were, in Edison, I think all of us were like, all of us were like, all right, I think I'm like kind of done. And you left before the, in theory, like, premier event, which is the Pellible Beach Concor. Yes. Oh, none of us went to that. Yeah. We were all home by two in the afternoon. Yeah.

Like, genuinely. I would, except for Sean, who's like, was looking smug over there with this little alpha man. But he was going to take him three days to get back anyway. By the way, we've even skipped cars that came out. I Acura had their concept. He really went to sneak all. My point is we've talked about 30 trillion incredibly impressive releases.

Yep. But there's more. No, I believe that is the only counterpoint, because I agree. I just became numb to it and like kind of over it and a little turned off by it all, especially the like the Mansari cars were all at. Like it just, it's going to a different audience that is not my crowd. However, the access to the manufacturers, I also at the Quail,

talked to the guy behind the Jaguar new design language. I saw it in it. Did you tell you? I think he had a vague idea of who I was and maybe that I hadn't said the nicest things. Nobody has. The Audi president was hinting at wagons and avons.

In a way that I was like, are you trying to tell me something without telling me something? So those kind of things are really cool. Seeing vehicle debuts is really cool. Seeing Gordon Murray in the flesh. People came up from Hennessy. Like they, like that, and they were so nice.

Seeing Stradman live vlog in front of like 800 people. Kind of cool. So there were definitely some highlights, but I think on the whole, it's just like, it's too much. It was a lot, but I also want to make a point. I don't think that I don't want to gate keep car week at all. Like, I think if you've never been, you absolutely should go at some point to see it. Yeah. Because it is just such a spectacle, but just be prepared for it to be very overwhelming and like inexpensive.

And like, it's very expensive. Even us trying to spend as little money as we could. It was still... It was an expensive weekend. Yeah, it was. I do wonder if you go and you're not going to the quail, you won't see a lot of these cars in person, but some of them drive around.

And you don't go to the quail, you don't go to some other events. Would you have a better experience at this point? Just driving around Carmel, maybe driving down PCH. We did a lot of that. Was that the fun part or was the event's important? Honestly, the most fun part was just running into people

and spending time with my friends. That was the best part of the first part. and that is, and we do that here every Saturday morning. I want to go to cars and coffee. It's like, it's not, it wasn't that thing. We just did it. It's a different place.

But I will say this also, the last point I'll make on this, because everybody's sick of, the other thing is people get sick about talking about car week, especially if you weren't there, and I understand. But the last point I want to make is everybody

who came out to Nick and I, like, it was so touching and nice, people love the podcast, and I feel so grateful. I think it was only one person. I was a little, I think I disappointed him a little because he told me it to 300,000 mile and he was,

he was telling me, like, Yeah, but who cares a 300,000 mile crime? You're talking to the wrong guy. Like, uh, also, he can't one up you like that. Well, I told him. You'll have 250. I'll get 260. I cross 260 on the way there, 10,000 miles since last car week.

Uh, was the last time I hit a milestone. But the point I want, and I apologize. So like, I was very tired and Carmel was really irritating. Um, but I just want to say thanks to everybody who came out to both Nick and I. Nick got chirped a lot about Nikki Loub, which was so funny to see. You get a lot. One guy was parallel parking and he goes, Nick, and it scared the crap out.

Like, I almost wrecked my car. But it was, I love the enthusiasm, and that's the appropriate level of chirping. But it was so touching the number of people who came off to us and said, oh, thank you for doing that. It really means a lot when we get to meet people who actually listen to this.

Actually, want to hear us talk for some reason. I don't know why. My favorite group of younger gentlemen, so what is your real political affiliation? Would you tell him, Nick? I went out of my way to give the biggest non-answer possible in a way that, like, Gave them just enough, but not enough.

Nick told some incredibly politically incorrect jokes. It balances things. It's, you know, we'll never know. We'll never know. We'll never. Definitely don't look up who Nick and his wife have donated to. Public directors. Yes, the Ferrari Foundation.

The Ferrari. All of my network. I feel I'm very proud of that class. I will say to the, my favorite, one of my favorite things, I'd never been to a Benihana before. And our friend Sam, it's like his guilty pleasure is Benny Hana. It is. He's so into it.

Was it Benny Hanna? Surely not. Yeah, no, like right in the thick of it. No, it's like, it's in Monterey, like right near the auction. If you're at R.M's auction, it is like too black. We will do that forever from now. It was amazing. I had so much fun.

He got to see the volcano. Yeah, who was it? Oh, no, Sean got really mad because they almost didn't do the volcano. And called him out was like, are you doing the volcano? It's like, what do you mean? And then he didn't let us eat the volcano. And there was like, but like, I'd never realize what a thing. Benihana's was.

The Bashi Girls are cool. But you know what I mean? Like, that was, those parts were like really, really fun. It's hanging out with your friends. That's the fun part. Yeah. Yeah, that was, we had a blast. Nick barked at a stick.

It was, I lost five. I went laughing. It was, it was just like, we just had. I also enjoyed the L405 gave him a Shiner. Oh. Almost killed. Yeah. Can we talk about what?

I have a scar now. I want to know about how the M5 was. I want to know about how the L405 was. Well, Nick proclaims that the L4 or 5 was the perfect car week car, which in some ways it was. However, you wouldn't tell people what happened on the way up there? It was the car flawless on your journey. I didn't say flawless. I said it was perfect while you were there.

So about... We talked in the previous pod that there's a tear in my convertible top. Yeah. Well, about an hour into the trip, that tear became absolutely shredded. So it's like flapping and I had to drive the entire way, the rest of the way there, and all the way back with the top down. You can no longer drive with the top up. And so holding 80 miles an hour for like eight hours. It's a lot of wind.

It was 95 degrees because we had to take the inland route because of the fires. And you're a little, you need sunscreen. Did you bring sunscreen? I did not. I just, that's why I'm a little. Convertible owner over here. Colorful over here. So yeah.

It's nice. It was a little, it was a little, but actually it buffets the wind fine. So that little hiccup aside. Right. No route. Driving around, like you just got 360 degree views. You can see all these cool cars. You stand out.

Now, in its Spanish Bay also wanted to clamp down on all the car spotters. So what they advertise is that it's $100 to park there. However, if you look at the park. That's not bad for Carmel. It's a bit rich. It's been free of it. To go see the 10 cars that are valeted there, it's not worth $100. However, if you look the part, they might just let you in.

So if I said, oh, I'm just getting drinks on the back patio. They say, carry on, sir. Didn't charge me anything. Wow. Because they knew an L-405 Cabber. really belonged. Yep, with, yes, with all of its... Kenan, Ben and got turned away.

They go, sorry, the In-N-Out Burger is three miles that way in seaside, sir. Not at all what happened. We got separated, and Kevin and I got ice here. Is that what happened? How did people get injured? Yeah, so his perfect vehicle. My friend Nick shows up later than all of us because he drives probably a little slower, because his roof doesn't work.

And so he gets there and I'm helping him unload it. And we open up the air hatch, and of course, the carpet is DeLan emanating from it. It's falling apart. Lights are falling out. We lift it up. And, you know, there are strats normally that hold this up, right?

Well, he is holding it alone now. I assume that it worked. That's my first mistake. Why would you ever? I, because my car functions, and this is Nick's knife. I didn't think about this. And it closed on my head

and just instantly sliced my head right open. I have a little scar right there. It's healing nicely. It's healing quite nicely. But I was like, oh, great. I'm going to have to now go get stitches because Nick's BS car I thought you were going to need stitches

I thought I was going to need stitches I feel really bad and Nick's defense Nick felt so bad he probably apologized to me like eight times but Kevin our friend Kevin with former EMT he stitched me up with just some stereo strips

and I did have to have a band-aid over my head which was a little bit embarrassing for a now but for Quail I didn't have to do it it yeah it healed up pretty quickly but so Nick's car the roof broke and it injured me but other than that it was great also my favorite part is this graphic kit that Ryan Lopez designed

had Doug DeMiro's name on it for some reason. And in a bizarre font. Doug was not present. But literally within five minutes of entering Carmel, Doug DeMarco! People kept messing up his name

and it's like it's literally written on the door. And he's only the largest YouTuber. Right. Those things aside, the amount of times, most of the interactions were where's Doug? And I was like, Sean, can I please just take his name off the car?

And Sean made me keep it on until the very end. but Doug was not present and despite us advertising Doug DeMiro and not Nicky Loeb which is my biggest regret. Our mistake. Yes, indeed. Nicky Loeb and Ken and R will be on that car next year. Nickylob and R will be on that car next year.

Once I actually incorporate the business then maybe I'll advertise for it. Okay. That's a good place to begin. M5 was good? Yeah, so the M5 was perfect. I had its service before we left. We had some issues that we discovered.

I'm glad that we did. I swear to God, like doing the injectors probably picked up 20, 30 horsepower on that car. It is so sharp, even when it's really hot outside. Like, it was amazing. Good. It's the best. You had just got a service.

You mentioned a couple weeks ago. Yep, E39 source crushed it. And it was, like, I just could not get over. Like, I was giddy at how amazing it was. And, like, I was going some speed. And it just, like, doing what the M5 does best, just like, listening to smooth jazz, climbing control, perfect, just going. Your car was best to get to and fro, and my car was best while you were there.

But my car was used quite a bit. We need to go somewhere. Only because it had four-horse. Well, everybody else has boxers spiders. Right. Can't carry it out. Spider-Web. That's right.

I do want to say, I was, I, your sentiments, does your kind of align with how I feel about Car Week? Generally, somebody who loves cars, but doesn't, I don't, I'm not a wealthy car guy. But I love supercars and the expensive stuff and that stuff. I would have liked to see how I would have felt this year. You would not like. But I did really miss you guys. Missed you too. I also miss seeing, like, you see everybody.

You do see everyone. For us that are in this world and, like, have other connections, you see everybody. And it was sad to miss that. It was also sad. You guys didn't text or send nearly enough pictures. Service is bad. I barely took a lot of sister. You're busy.

But I did miss some scathing takes that I feel like you could have given it. I sent some good stuff. I saw 250 Test Rosa dump all of its oil out. You all that incredible photo of an F40, Sean's car. Yes. We'll overlay that. So cool. And actually it was a fan of podcasts.

Oh, no. Very nice guy. Got to talk to them later. But we, yeah, so we were leaving our friend Eric's house, and it was the Boxer Spiders one first, of course. Sean in his little, Nick and then Sean in the little alpha. And then F40, and then I pulled in right behind the F40 and got this incredible picture of them going up the hill, all of the cars. And in front, it doesn't FD. There was also a multiple.

Moments like that are just like. A Multipla won the Fiat Concorso Italiano. Is it the most of what we know? Yeah. Yeah. Roberts, who have, he's been into our office before. Yeah, great. Great guy.

Great guy. Yeah, I mean, the GT-1s from DK engineering were like insane. So, yeah, there was a lot of good. I took like maybe 13 photos in total. I will say the other thing that was a little weird was not only were like the rich guy crowd a bit much, but like there were so many people vlogging that it made me no longer want to vlog. Like I haven't done a lot of YouTube content recently. And like there was just so many people like, hey guys.

And then like respect. It's hustle. It's a lot of work. I respect the creativity. But it's like there's no content to be produced that it's. It's like people taking photos of the fireworks. It's like no one's ever going to watch this. You're never going to go back and look at it.

Like, just put your phone down and enjoy it and experience it because like this content is so saturated. That's why I didn't make any content in our own Carwick. It's like there are million videos to watch about that. So it's like I, there is a video I will make about one experience I had at Carwick that's coming up later on. Yeah. Oh boy. That'll be a different story for another time. But yeah, enough about Car Week.

Yeah. So we switch to talking about the Marker. Let's go the marker portion brought to you, of course, by Carson Bits, the ultimate. site for whether you want to buy or sell them through these cars right not niki luke it's not incorporated it's not incorporated one day one day one day um all right kettan you want to start us off yeah so ferrari's are hot as everybody knows they're on fire not in the normal way uh and this one for the understress so 97 f35 spider red or tan belt service done 18 000 miles what six weeks ago this was probably a 120,000 dollar car this one sold for a

understand. 98,000-300 bucks. Which is also strong for the mileage, et cetera. Strong. It's like a strong result, period. It's a big result. That's,

after this, I like spent a while looking at a 3-5-5 results. And you know the market better than I do, but I don't understand. It's pretty crazy, I have to say. As someone who owned one of these cars, it's like, because spiders, they made a lot more of them.

It's a very popular variant. And it's the one you don't want because it doesn't have any chast or rigidity and it doesn't look as cool as the Bruneito or the GTS. But it's the one I want because you're closest to the sound. Yep.

And it's the one I grew up with, so it's just what I think of when I think of the 355. But the fact that these are pushing 200 grand for a spider. He's crazy. They had an engine out service recently, had good service documentation,

18,000 miles. Still. Still. This is a great one. This is not like a special, like, you're only can find out though. This is what they are now.

Right, it's a red tan 97. I mean, it's like, it's not like the last year of production. It's like, it's just like kind of dead middle of the road, 355. I mean, a nice one, but it's like... Yeah, when you had yours, four years ago, three years ago?

Three years ago, I think I've been. You, I remember you saying, I bought it now, and I kind of rushed to purchase a little bit because I was worried the market was going up. And then I was like, Kenan, I don't think you're right. And then six months later, whatever it was a year later, you sold it. And for what I thought was like, whoa, that is all the money. And it was at the time. It was at the time. $112 was such a strong result.

And now, you're a set relative to be high miles, but like, now a regular, like... Even so. I mean, mine is probably a 140 car now, at least. Like, it's not more. It's not more. With the pressure of your presentation,

like, and the service record you had, like, yeah, it's just, like, kind of, it's crazy.

I mean, I'm conflicted about this. This is something I want to say. Somebody works in the industry, and we both do. It's like, I am happy to see results like it because it does,

financially, it's positive for us, but as an enthusiast, it breaks my heart a little bit to know that, like, these cars move further away, from the enthusiast crowd and into kind of the collector space

where they'll probably sit in garages and not be driven and be speculated on and it will be an asset on a line. It just, right, sure. But I don't know, that's just, but I just like, great cars and bids for getting the results on this car. That is a serious number. Clearly, we have the buyers these cars.

Everything with Ferrari is just to the money. Ferraris are really expensive. Even a 599 that I was looking at is now. Right, so I drove, you can kind of see that if you go to Felipe, if you cut to Felipe's there, You can see the red car back there is the Testerosa that I'm going to be bringing to the market pretty soon. I know, which is a high mile one. It'll be...

98,000 miles. So curious to see what that thing ends up selling for. It was just imaged last week by the great Nick Stafford. So I'm excited to see what... I just have no idea. It's so hard to put a number on a Ferrari because as Carwick proved, as this proves, like they're just the market... I like how we're using imaged instead of photographed now. Well, this is the second time I've caught that.

The first time I was like, okay, interesting word choice, but you're going with it. We imaged them. Yeah. We don't photograph them. You can't shoot them. That's bad. Yeah, you don't want to shoot. I don't want to shoot a test or something.

Well, some one would probably do after a while. But this result is just like, I just kidding. I'm going to image it. I was watching the car week. There's a lot of auctions that happened during car week in person. I was watching the result. There were some really strong Lamborghini results on. There was a mercy that set a new record.

I mean, everything was strong. But Ferraris are just out of this world right now. It's a whole different league. Yeah, than it was. Even there was a Selena 7 that went for like 1.1. So much for your dream of having. I know it's over. It's all over.

Yeah, it is all over. But you know what I know. Can we talk about the Maserati for a second? Sure. I noticed something recently like, is not, now Maserati Grand Sports, not the most valuable of car. This one sold for 25,

which in my mind, this is a $10,000 car. I looked recently, though. They're selling in the mid-20s. These cars were like 15. Which is up 30%. Which, I know that's not a, but like,

is this car like starting to appreciate a little bit? I think it's kind of weird. You couldn't go much lower. This feels like random fluctuation. But it's not, if you look at the... I'm going to stick by it. A number of cars. Like, I was kind of surprised.

So, like, what this made me think of is like, maybe not this car specific. But it's an example of, like, as Ferraris continue to get more expensive, what cars are people going to diversite? Not this, but like... Sorry, Maserati. Aston's something is like, is going to happen.

I think that's... People are going to start moving to Aston's. I think the AudiRA. People are already doing it with Lamborghini. AudiRA values. have not held. Not, not, just wait. In the current market,

of the last six months, because I was looking in the like, call it 60 to 80K price range, went up on another one. I looked at everything in that range, and I would have loved an Audi R8, gated V8. Would you?

That's very flashy for you. The right color is subdued enough. I don't know. You get asked a lot of this. I was watching the market for that as a result. The last number of results, on our site and across the industry, have been cheaper than I've expected it to be.

I'm saying... Some of that is worst results coming to market, or worst cars from the market. But I also don't think that that's held nearly this appreciation that 997s, 9-9-11s I've had, or Ferraris. Well, speaking 997s, can pull up that turb ski that you guys just saw. I feel like that was a very good result. Like 170 grand for this turbo, which 7,000-mile car, 6-bbando, but a dot 1.

These are going to go up. There's no dot 1.2 turbo differentiation, really? Except for the entire rear design of the car. Yeah. For regular 9-197s, the dot 1 to dot 2 had really. Real reliability upgrades. Yeah. You lose a lot of bore scoring concerns.

The turbo was already reliable. The turbo was already reliable. Yeah. Because all... But they also produced quite a few less dot twos than they did dot one. For that reason, they're valuable. But you don't have the same. Correct.

But my point is... And I want to yawn at this conversation? No. No. But my point is 170 grand is a pretty strong number for a dot... This car. And I suspect those will continue to rise. At the same time, 9-9-6s are not far off of that at this point, right?

We sold... Oh my God, that's so long ago. We sold so many Kben-11s. Yeah, you might well type But 160 for a car with more miles Right? I'm actually surprised 997 turbos

Have doubled in the last year Yeah I have a feeling they got another doubling ago Yeah Shout out to our friend Perry Who got in at the right time But yeah It is interesting

I'm just curious where the market Will start to find other value And we're like what that will do To the other cars Can I talk about something that has not gone up at all? Sure That I think is unappreciated All right

We fail to the E505, excuse E53 AMG wagon. This is the newest AMG wagon. S213 AMG wagons, the E663, V8, then of that. Admittedly, they stopped production for a couple years. Those were above sticker. Forever. They're now not because they have miles and that are like,

they are still holding. They're more expensive than this. E53s, which don't have the V8, but are incredibly powerful. Yep, doesn't matter. It's appreciated like any other Mercedes. Doesn't matter. Everybody wants the V8. Everybody wants the V8, which is not surprising.

prising, but it's kind of notable. Yeah. Everyone wants a V8. If you want a performance car in a wagon, like that, I feel like there's so much crossover. Or you just get the base model, which still has plenty of power, is Doug Woodard R. Like that one, it's tough because it's stuck in between.

Right, like this one from a month ago, 10 times the miles of that E53, sold for 9 to 6. Which I assume is a right-around sticker on it. Yeah. All this just makes me want to clean. fun with like a Camaro or a Mustang. A lot of cool cars you can get

for 10 grand. Car enthusiasts want experiences. And a V8 is a visceral emotional thing. Not necessarily. Not in every application, but in this application, it would be these 63. That he would have had a better explorer experience

with the V8 instead of. Oh, I definitely would. My Selena 7 and the V8, you throw a blower on that thing? All right, let me tell you. I'm just a little surprised with that. All right. You want to talk about advantages?

Or have you already made your advantage point? I made my point. I want advantage. That's all. That's my point. I have some, yeah, I have a advantage in right now,

actually. Yeah. And so does Johnny, they're around. And every time I see them, I'm like, man, that is the coolest way to spend $40,000.

$4.3. Literally copying Doug. I know. That's a problem. Yeah, but he's owned every car at this point. So it's like, you know, not an E339M5. He's only owned one BMW,

an E3673 sedan. All right. Should we get into questions? Let's get into questions. All right, this week, by the way, if you have new questions, don't go to Carpott.com. Go to this carpod Instagram page. We'll put it in the description, and there'll be a post. Add your questions there.

We're trying something new. Don't forget to go to cards and bits.com. Find something new, going to Instagram, which has existed forever. Make sure you also followed this car pod on that. I selected some of the questions from this week, and there were some great ones. Okay. So that's a subset. I'm going to start with a question for you.

DIRPy Cat 105 recently purchased a Z3 from their grandmother who had it for 15 years. They would also like to keep this car for as long a period of time as possible. What is like the mindset that you have around keeping your car? How do other people replicate that?

It's an M54, 5-speed. Well, the M-54 is a great engine. So the thing I would, it's like, I would address any points that are known weak points with that car. In that car's case, that's your DISA valve if you want to take a look at. You want to take a look at the crankcase ventilation system.

cooling system. Those are really the weakest points with that particular engine. Do regular oil changes. It'll be fine. My view on maintenance is you always want to do as much preventative as you can. If something exhibits where, do it. Like if you want, if you genuinely want to keep this car forever, which a lot of car enthusiasts say they do and never mean. I get the impression for their grandmothers. There's actually some of the same mental value. I understand and that is a great car to keep around. They'll get Tyler Hoover. He's kept his grandmother's R107 forever and he, that will be the last car he ever Saul's, and I don't think he's ever going to sell it. But if you want to be around for it, the mentality

you have to take is anytime it exhibits were, just replace it. Just service it and take care of it. What are you laughing at? That's the most horrible advice I've ever heard. If you want to be incredibly upside down in a Z3 and be spending $10,000 a year, maintaining it, and replacing things preventatively

that aren't even broken yet, but maybe one day might become broken. If it exhibits... By all means, follow Kenan's example. If you are a rational human being, that doesn't want to forgo a 401K in lieu of maintenance and being like, oh, it's less, Vali-O-E-M-H-D with E-Codes. I better buy 10 sets of them and stockpile them in case I get a rock chip. This coming from a guy whose convertible top looks like a bear shredded it

and a guy who then guillotined me with his own truck, and he doesn't maintain his car. Exactly. I waited until my top broke to replace it. I didn't be like, oh, the top looks a little faint. Maybe I should have. The top broke on your way somewhere. Right.

And then you had to get sunburn. It was fine. We got a text from Nick coming back. I let things break it. Then I fix it. I don't like try to predict the future. Do you enjoy being that cold? It was fine.

Actually, it was a little hot for a lot of it. But the A.C. You were in Carmel. It ran. There are certain preventative items. I agree with you. The seats got wet. That's what happened.

We threw a towel on it. It was fine. Through a towel. I'm much closer to Nick. And this, obviously. Yeah. But this person did have to test. But don't you feel like, no offense to Derpy cat.

A Z3 is not really worth putting a lot of money in them. The thing that the components are not expensive. So to do this is actually pretty affordable. And like if you want it to be around, when you want it to be a car to use, then you have to do the work to keep it around. Everybody makes fun of me, but you know what?

Five and five didn't have a single issue going up there. Yeah, to be fair. If I was going to have a single issue. To spend five grand a week. I'm there too. But it'll last be... You know, my cars have never had issues.

Oh, please. I never... I know that. Yeah, let's... Come on. Never had a carbook. You didn't have to... constantly jumpstart the Fiat. Never had a car breakdown.

And also, I'm not counting my E-53XI with that same amount. Right, just not counting cars. Yeah, I forgot about it. Okay. Can't get you tired. The truth is probably lies somewhere in between us, depending on who you are and how nice the condition the car is already in, also. But in my view, it's like, yeah, I just like to do.

It's an emotional one. Yeah. It is not a, how do I minimize my cost in this car? It's how do I make sure he works forever? And that's maybe what they're looking for her. You can burn yourself out over investing in a car. You can. I have gotten that felt that way about the E&5.

But at the end of the day, then I drive it doing the speeds that I did, and it was wonderful. Fastest car are there. I mean, it's... I went faster than any faster on. Anyway, we'll move on. That's not something we say publicly. All right, from Shooks 24, in honor of Nick's Ranger Revert, what vehicle is not currently sold in a convertible should have had a convertible? Oh, Nick's going to say all of them.

That's what I thought I was going to say. Every SUV, that's what Nick is going to say. There are no three-row SUVs and convertible factor. And I would buy one. There's so many good reason. I would buy one. Would you? Even if it was like a Bronco where it wasn't like a true power top, but like just removable,

I think that ought to be an option. Someone ought to do it. If one person did it. That's what comes to my through. Think about Doug Sequoia or a car like that. Like Fernanducket having a cab. Oh, by the way, the G63 cab was shown to people. Oh, how was it?

I did not get to see it because I can't remember where it was, but I wasn't there. However, I was told it was pretty cool. because it looks like a G-Wagon. Convertible. So more convertible SUVs. Maybe also like the Dodge Dakota, like a convertible pickup pickup. That was available. That was available.

Right. Also, if you want another convertible, I got another convertible pickup truck, the Chevy SSR. Don't you forget it? Well, of course. Who would forget the SSR? Oh, yeah? Apparently, it's struggle really struggle to S-S-S-Rs. I have a feeling that that seller's understanding of value and market is a little different.

Actually, it looks kind of good. It looks great. We love that. This one has after-Merg-Ruggerville. It looks good. Ryan Lopez is thrilled. I'm saying, Mark wheels are good.

They're exceptions to every rule. We've got to give a better answer for this. What other cars should have a convertible? What other cars should have a convertible? I think a lot of cards do. All right. Well, I need to noodle more on that one. We'll noodle.

Yep. The Brabis Bodo should be cabriol-A. Thankfully, they solve that. Just like... I love when the debut is like a car that just they removed the top and you're like, yeah, it looks exactly how I thought it would. Yep. Not good.

Just like when the 9-11 SC. came out, you're like, yep. Yeah, the GT3 is one I was not expecting. No, but like, yeah, that exists. All right. Question from gaming BTL. Given the level of power and acceleration that we see across the industry, should we have a better measure than zero to 60,

where everything is two seconds, zero 60 now? Every car that was revealed is a two to two point three seconds zero 60. Probably. Do we need a better measure? Zero to 120, quarter mile? No, to 100 to zero? Like, what's the... I don't know, because then manufacturers find ways

they're like, oh, this car is the fastest... What do you look at? If you want to know the relative performance of two cars? I think at this point, quarter mile is where I go. I think ring lap times are kind of interesting because it takes into account handling more. Yeah, let's get that base C8 around the ring. See, compare that to...

Well, I think it's why manufacturers are doing it is because they feel that a zero to 60 or a straight line is two one-dimensional. It used to be the top gear track, was how I would tell, because the same driver in the cars in the same exact place, And that was actually, I felt a decent way to actually test that out. But yeah, I don't know. I think generally quarter mile, for acceleration, quarter mile is like a pretty telling thing.

And it's also something you can, it's another thing. You can relate to zero to 60. You can go to a drag strip and do a quarter mile and relate to what it feels like to do that. I think the hard part is that that's no longer the, it's never been the measure that I cared about. But it's also no long. Speed is everywhere. Every model S, every model three. every, there's a new version of the gravity that's slightly faster.

Like, they all have incredibly fast quarter mile time. That's impressive, but that doesn't tell you anything about the feel of it. And I think that we're in a moment in the car industry where rich guy go fast wants the speed. People that are a little bit more traditional enthusiasts, I want the feel. And I don't, I think the only way is to find journalists, including us, but including others, Jason Kameez is a great example where you trust from your own experience some of their thoughts that you like, listen to what they said.

I would never call myself a journalist. But I would, but I, yeah, Doug, I would call a journalist. But yeah, I think there,

yeah, there is a point to that, like seeing, I don't know, there's a bit of feel to it, there's X factor, but there is also like, and I do consider that more desirable

than any statistic. I would just prefer a manual. The objective factors are no longer as important as the subjective factors. Right. Because anything under three seconds is more than enough. Yeah. What would you have to say?

I just have such a good take, but, Go for it. You think you have a good take. Buckle up, ladies and gentlemen. Sean thinks he has a take. Let's hear it, Sean. Let's hear it.

Sean, please. Come to the microphone, friend. Producer Sean has popped out of his gopher hole and has a take. Only has third interruption this pod. Yep. Uh-oh. All right, my take for this is to get rid of the launch, right? Launch is so determined by having electric power.

Or all-wheel drive. All-wheel drive gearing. Rollouts, like rolling starts are, in my opinion, so much more important. Every car is still so fast. It doesn't tell you money. Yes. So rolling starts and weight. I'm looking at weight, like curb weights of cars,

much closer than I was 10 years ago. Agreed with weight. Agreed. That's a great point. Does that tell you anything about a car really? How? It's never have, to be fair. Yeah.

Four new cars, it's tough. It's like weight can be covered with things like rear, real steer. A lot of things to eliminate the feel of a lot of weight. But weight plus, I guess, a lot of the, you know, what the, the magazines do, which is like a roundup of all the performance cars. You know, I look at like Evo performance car of the year, where they take the best cars of the year

and go do a crazy drive, where it's a bunch of friends over three days driving the piss out of the cars. Sure, but it's a bunch of British journalists who pick a British car. That's usually how that goes. Or they pick an M5CS because they didn't want to pick the GT3 because they knew they get flagged for it.

I like how print magazines do it, where it's based on how many dollars they spent on advertising in the past year. But I'm going to stop interrupting and leave the pod. Wait, can you stand in a more awkward position? This is Sean who said that he didn't want, hated being recognized and he hated all the publicity. Here he is getting on the podcast.

Rolling started. He thought we were going to do the Star-Spangled banner, which is why you kneeled down. He didn't remove the hat, though. A rollout is a good point. That does change things. It's an interesting, it's an interesting Sean take. This one's not as hot as most of them.

The weight thing is important. We criticize a lot of cars for being overweight, and I think lighter-weight cars have better driving dynamics on the whole. Lighter, smaller. Valuable. Yep. Simplify an ad.

Weight. Simplify an ad. If you're Lotus currently. Right. All right. With the, from LXX-X-Nice E, with the recent wave of manual hypercars, Blackbird, the MCL, 6G, GT, the Konex-ZG-C, whatever the heck,

Is having a manual a trend that's going to stick around and make it to the non-super-limited hypercars or is it just a blip? I mean, you see it in some normal... I mean, like the WRX has a manual. That's a normal hypercar, yep. Well, no, are you saying normal hypercars or normal cars?

Normal, like other sports cars, other hypercars and supercars. I mean, if that's what the market demands, that's what the company should build and, like, that's what people want. And I think that, like, Motey Rimots made the great point. he who builds EVs that don't have and every bugi

he made the point nobody wanted that like nobody that car that car had so much performance and nobody wanted it and so like but people want manuals

and they want driving experience of course the like the current Bugatti are like a different thing but my point my point is I think the fact that

Ferrari finally has kind of done a manual McLaren is doing a manual so I think Lamborghini is foolish to think that they shouldn't do a manual yep

and I think that like anybody who's actually serious about what their clientele wants and was clearly deemed special, should be making manual chance. This is an easy question. It is affirmative yes, period, end of story. It is, as we just literally talked about how zero to 60 is slightly meaningless, straight line speed doesn't matter. It's about the experience.

The manual is the biggest differentiating point, and I think we're going to stop caring about specs altogether and say, do they offer it as a manual or do I have to let a computer shift? Shout out to Hennessy. They get it. Like, doing what they're doing. The Hennessy cars, we did not talk about in Car Week. Pretty cool. So cool. I'm into it. I wish they had an affordable supercar because I don't, I'm not like Steve Hamilton here where I can drop seven figures. You know what? I am starting to look at Hennessy-tune escalades a lot more.

Hell yeah, because I like their multi-million dollar car so much and I'm like, I bet that escalade really boogies, you know? It does it. I half agree, right? So I think that that supercarry. I saw some images of it. We imaged the boogieing escalade and I was into it. Yeah, all right. I have. I think supercar makers have this dual, there's a lot of tension in, I think, the car enthusiasts world. There's a reason that every new M3 and M4 you see, which is what all 20 to 40-year-old seems to be buying,

are comps because they're all automatical. There is very much a group of car enthusiasts that seems to want the fastest, highest performance car, and doesn't care about manuals. Right, like BMW sells way more M3 comps than they do M3s. You go to Carwick, though, everyone's looking through the windows saying, is it a stick or is in an auto? Some people do, but you also... The look of disgust they give to the automatic transmission.

Look at every M4 that you see. It's going to be a comp. And that is a real clientele, and that's a real market. And so I think the supercar makers need to bow in. But I don't think manuals are a fad. I think they will stick around. I don't think that this is like a blip in the pan or flat. Well, it's kind of GMA's entire brief.

I would not be surprised if over the next decade it becomes the... for a while getting the PDK was a cost option. When Ferrari came out with the F1, my recollection of the F1 transmission was an at cost. Big cost option, yeah. I expected the opposite will happen. It should. It should just announce that.

We talked about it. More automakers will offer manuals in some specific cars and some handling-focused cars because they know their clientele and there's mismatch. There's an overlap there. Yeah, totally. People that want the handling, people that want the speed. But a lot of them will also,

that will be at a pre-requent. to their more high-performance speed-focused offering. Dude, even the EVs are doing this. EVs are doing simulated shifts. Two of them. Yeah, no, but more are coming. Yeah. The brands are all talking about how we want to bring that back.

On an EV, which is like a total crappy experience anyways. Every automatic this one has simulated shifts. So I don't think that it will go back to being just managed like. We're stick guys. That's right. You stick together. I was looking at the R&7. Not you.

He's only- You don't own any manual cars. I have any 50-5. Oh, yeah, that's right. That's right. I apologize. All right. One more question. One more question. Make it a good one, Felipe. I don't know if I get it if I can commit to that. All right. Here's a question that overlapses all of us from Ian Danton. Doug and Cronies. He's at, I'm at an automotive crossroads.

I currently drive a 26 Kyan and own a 996 Carrera 9-11 and a W-209-19-15 with an M-13K-soops. So super-turper-charge. should be. Supercharged. I was right the first time. 31 single, no kids. He's going to get rid of the 996. What should he get instead? He is committed to keeping the CLK. This guy has my exact case. Yeah, no, that's why I asked. M13K. Kyan. What should he get? And he wants to get rid of his Porsche. He wants to get rid of his Porsche. He's considering a 997. He's considering a Vantage. He's considering R8. That's what he should get. You're getting all right. I agree with that. I think that's like the right. Because that also follows

the Nick playbook. Yeah, I would say the AMG GT of his consideration set, he's already got one Mercedes AMG in the mix. Obviously, they're very different. He implied to get to AMGGGT levels. He would have to sell the 996 and the Kyan.

Yeah, but he doesn't do that. You need it daily. It's the LK-55 with the 113K swap. Maybe. No. I like the R8. I think sell the 996 first,

see how much money you're going to get. And can I give a difference? Keep your mind open for that. Okay, so if you have a Kyan, you have a daily. If you have a C.LK, you have a soft sports car, power-centric. Yeah, cruiser. A lease. A leased.

Or Vora. Like something in that, like, lightweight, rougher. You don't want to drive it. Not a lot of it's comfortable. Go uncomfortable. I think probably, yeah, because I'm 31 as well. It's like that would, that would, these are kind of cars you should own. Like, I think you can only do it when you're on kids.

Yeah. And if that's, if that's, yeah, if you don't plan on having kids, that's, you know, another thing. But like, right now, good season in life, it sounds to own sports cars. Especially in, an RRA is a little bit almost too practical of a sports car. It's very, it's too usable. But he seems to like usable cars. That's why, just like I had to go way outside of my comfort zone to buy an expensive car. He needs to go way outside of his comfort zone and not get something competent.

It's not bad advice. He needs to go like incompetent. I agree with-in-vipar. Yeah. Yes, except that he already has a power forward front engine, real drive car. Fair enough. The Elise would offer a great different experience. and you'll get in and out of it for the same money.

That's all right. I think getting outside of your comfort zone is a good idea. Like, obviously you have Porsche, Mercedes. Like, think of a new brand. Like, I love the V-A vantage idea. I'm kind of obsessed. Could also go older. We have that RX7 live right now

that would be out of the price point, but like an RX7 is like a cool experience. Now you enter headache territory, though. I mean, RX7 is great, but you have to really love it and want an RX7. They are amazing cars, but they are not light on maintenance. Compared to a base 9-11, 9-11.

With 96 with Arrow kit? I mean, psh, come on. A lot of these are going to be... All three of those, I suggest, like, R8, Elite. Get a Fox Body Mustang, you're going to be bugying. Would you get rid of the 996 and the Kyan for an R8? You would have to do that based on his...

Oh, yeah. I think I would. And then just have a steel in the NRA. Dude, I get rid of the 996 and a Kyan for, like, a Nissan Leaf. Some money in the bank. In case you were wondering, Nick's Kyan is going to be live on cars and bids real soon. He's very subtle.

Yep. I'll do a straight trade for a V-ad vantage, if anyone's... What is. What a jet. What a trick only though. Oh, great. No sport chef. Yeah, that really brings it into the realm of comparison.

Yep. If anybody wants to, I mean, he has gotten free cars before. That's right. Free or HREs. Don't give him free cars. Free or Aterese. The HREs, by the way, before we left for Car Week, my shop contacted me. They're like, there's nails in every tire.

They're like, we don't think you're going to make it there and back. But if you think you will, bring a tire inflator. Sure enough, Wolf Box had sponsored one of our videos with a tire. With a tire inflator, I'm like, great, I am taking that. They patched them, I inflated it, we were good to go. This is why you wonder why you're crazy. This is why you're crazy. The lack of preparation and the headaches it induces, and you're surprised at it.

One would argue your consumer advice of have an unlimited open pocketbook for a Z3 that your dead grandma gave you. That's a little crazy too. No, you ask that? Grandma would want you to be financially solvent and not upside down on a Z3. Probably would. She would say save your money, honey. Save your money. AI is going to take your job soon.

Let's boogie. You're going to need it. Let's boogie. All right, well, thank you so much for listening. Invest in Bonds. Insane podcast. Doug will be back next week. He's currently in, like, Missouri.

St. Louis, aka what do you call Missouri? You could find me in San Luis. Goodbye, everybody. Goodbye. We listened to a lot of Nellian. Car Week was great. It was tough.