THIS CAR POD! with Doug DeMuro & Friends! - $45k Rivian Could Change Everything! New Porsche Supercar? Montana Plate Crackdown!

Episode Date: March 13, 2026

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And welcome to this car pod. I'm Kenan. I'm Felipe. I'm Doug. And let's start with the news. Porsche. Now, recently, Porsche has been having a little bit of a tough time. They reported a $5.8 billion,

$5.8 billion is less in profit in 2025. Not a good situation. You know what hit me, though, about this? Because this has been reported. It's been a big splash. Big news. They reported like $5.9 billion in profit last year, two years ago.

And this year, they reported like $90 million. Yeah. But you know what? My great friend, Manny Co. been once taught me, you don't go broke making a profit. That's right. 90 million's still 90 million. If Felipe made 90 million, you know what he'd be doing?

Probably this. Probably still this. I don't think anything in his life would change in any regard. Why change a good thing? It gets a little bit worse. Of course, VW's been saying for a little while they're going to cut 50,000 jobs that includes at Porsche by 2030. So things aren't looking great at Porsche, but they have a new CEO and he has some ideas

about how Porsche can make some money. And one of the big things is they said recently is, quote, they are looking at sports cars above the 9-11, which means one of these in theory. Now, of course, there are models of 9-11 that haven't come out yet, GTTRS, for instance. But they're considering other models and that we kind of think means there's going to be a hypercar.

The fellow who runs Porsche now came from McLaren, which makes me a little bit concerned. Isn't that weird? Like you're promoting people and hiring people who have not had success at other companies? Like, I don't understand that. Right. They look at the McLaren lineup and it's like, yeah.

To be fair, McLaren went from, this is zero, here to like here. That's exciting. But it was reported only a couple years ago that they were like teetering on the edge of bankruptcy. When you start out teetering on the edge of bankruptcy, your net, it's growth is less teetering a little less. Well, but Porsche's not in that position. They need someone who, they don't need like a McLaren. They need someone who like can take a good thing to make. Now, regardless.

It's a weird hierarchy. So they say there's going to be cars. above the 9-11. You're saying hypercar. My personal point of view is we're going to be talking like SF90 type stuff. Well, yeah, to be clear, they said we're looking at models and derivatives above our current two-door sports cars and above the cayenne. Right. Yeah. We know, we already, it's crazy that they would say that. We already know they're going to do a three-row cayenne. That's like talked about. Yeah. We also kind of know they're going to do a hypercar. It was supposed to come out along with F80 and W-1, but they were going all electric

with Mission X. And more or less, it has leaked that they are canceling their development of a full electric and they're instead going to go for something different. Yeah, and we're not exactly sure yet. Don't forget they did recently file a patent for a W-18 engine. I'm not saying that's going to go. It seems unlikely to me as well. I think that what they ought to do is their time-tested

strategy to take their Formula One engine like they did with the Career GT and just put it in a supercar. Technically, with their ties to Audi, they could put an actual Formula One engine in a car for the first time. Well, you know, the 9-8, had an actual Lamont race car engine.

Is Lamar Formula One? Let me do the math. Car Car Car. No. But the point is it had a race car motor. Like, it was real. It did. I mean, well, and this would have

if they could build engines and the rules didn't change, but timing didn't work out. It's a road car engine or a road car. Just saying. But yes, I'm nonetheless excited. Live from a Formula One power plant. It was derivative at best.

You know what Felipe would do if he got $90 million? He'd buy the lot behind his house. Because he's worried about the lot behind his house being developed one day? Right. Not in his backyard, I'll tell you that.

But I'm supportive. They said as part of that same press conference, we're using the current challenges as an opportunity to act even more decisively. We will comprehensively repositioned Porsche, make the company leaner faster and its products even more desirable. That's true. I'm glad to hear

that they feel that way, and I'm sure that they will, and the products are still great, except for the electric kind, which is not going to sell. Or the electric mccan, which is not currently selling. Right. And yes, and the electric came in that people are infuriated about that doesn't exist yet. And the Taekon and Panama, which neither of them sell. Right.

But other than that... And really, they just need to sell cars in China, which they have failed to do the last year. But, you know, maybe. Well, I don't know. We'll certainly see what happens. Nonetheless, like, I'm excited for whatever the next Porsche of Hypercars. We've been waiting a while now. It is so weird.

Porsche is such a weird brand because they have this, like, capability to sell cars in the $600 to $2 million price point, but they also sell an SUV that is leased at like incentive teaser deals. Like what other company is like that? Like it is such a weird situation. So there probably is room for them to go in at a higher number. I have a suspicion. McLaren's CEO comes in and says, hey, why don't you guys actually compete directly with the 750s?

Like you have your GT3RS and your GT2RS. Do compete with them. But like at the very highest level of this existing sports car, why don't you have a purpose-built car, especially with your Porsche brand name. McLaren has a hard time selling cars at this price point, but Porsche wouldn't. Why not you go and do this? Didn't Porsche have trouble selling career GTs?

And 98. It was a different market. It was a different market. And 918s, sure, but the car is a very different price point. I'm talking about like the 500 to 800,000 dollars. Yeah, they should. Where SF 90s. Maybe they will.

Maybe that's what it will be. I think that is what it'll be. We hope it has three pedals. Oh my God. Imagine if it's, sorry, we just got to say now. It won't. But if, but why do you say it won't? They're decisive now, Philippo.

If anybody would, it would be Porsche. There's three trim, at the moment, Porsche sells three trims of cars that have a manual transmission. Yeah, but the Carrarity, the GT3 touring and something else. Yeah, but Filippo. There's no other cars in their lineup of all the cars they sell that are manual. I know they should recognize that there's a huge case for it. They should, but I don't think they will. That's being deliberately, like the 9-11 ST went out of production yesterday afternoon,

and not only did it sell out as a only manual transmission car, but used ones are selling for double the secret prints. So, like, ultimately it's a little disingen. I agree that they should take the message that they're strong demand. They will. But don't you kind of think that they won't? I think that they want to satisfy enthusiasts. You know, the Career GT's birth story is in a lot of ways related to the fact that

Cayenne had come out, and a lot of people were discounting Porsche as an enthusiast brand. And so they had to come out with something really special like that. I wouldn't be surprised if they come out with a three-row cayenne, And if they come out with all these electric cars, if they say, hey, we're also going to do a true manual transmission supercar in the image of something like that to really prove to people that even though we're also heading in this direction, we can still head in the true portion. We haven't forgotten who we are. I hope so. But if you want to compete on power and specs, they're already kind of the pinnacle where they can go with transmissions everybody have and engines. But they prove that they don't have to.

They have to compete on as driving involvement because they're an enthusiast brand. And that's what they capitalize on. and they're doing really well with GT3. And the fact that 9-11 STs are selling for $700,000 should give them a message that there are new car buyers willing to spend that money on a special car that has a manual trans. Yeah. This is the signal, Jerry.

This is the signal. Yeah. Porsche is a boring thing to talk about. Let's talk about the most interesting news story of the week. Rivian R2 pricing. Rivian R2 pricing is finally here. Are you ready for it, Felipe? Do you know what it is?

I don't know what it is. I'm very excited. All right. We're filming this before the embargo. So I have to look at my embargoed information. The standard Rivian, base model, 350 horsepower Rivian, 265 miles of range, take a guess what that car costs. Base model, rear-wheel drive, 350 horse, 0-60, and 5-9.

For the R2, 60. Because an R1 base is, what, 80? That starts at 45,000. Wow. Now, that's not coming right away. The standard, it's a year out. Yeah, it's a year-and-a-half. The standard model has 350-horse.

345 miles of range. So it's a long range. That's 48.5. Wow, these are appealing prices. Yeah, 350 horse and 345 miles of range. That's what you need from a car. 45. Now this is predestination, pre-options.

I want to be clear. That's less than a year out, okay? The premium, which is 450 horse, 0 to 16 and 4.6, 330 miles of range, starts at 54. To me, that's the segment leader. A forer-runner, TRD, off-road premium. starts at 56. What does a Model Y cost?

Like, to me, these numbers are really, really appealing. 54,000 for a 450 horse, 540 pound feet, 060 and 46, 330 miles of range. It checks every box, and it looks like that and it drives so well. It does.

It does a model why, the rear wheel drive basis model starts at 40 to get to a premium all-wheel drive. You're at 49. 49. This is within, this is going to absolutely be within Model Y territory, except it is a much more appealing car. It looks better.

It can do more. Obviously, it's off-road capable of where the Y is not. You don't have the Elon problem, which for a lot of our viewers, I know it's not a problem. You love the man. But for a lot of people, it is, realistically. Obviously, it's more practical. And then there's the performance at the top of the lineup, 650 horse, 3.6 seconds, 0 to 60, with the launch package that's a $58,000 car.

Now, again, all this is predestination. Destination's $1,500. So add $1,500 to all this numbers. It's also interesting to compare it to regular ice car. It's like, I talked about a four-runner a second. A land cruiser, which is maybe more comparable from like a luxury, like position. Positioning standpoint. MSRP for the 1958, which is the base model.

It's 576. Yeah. So you're, you can get the top trend. 57,600. God, that car is so overpriced. Yeah. And the regular. It's the worst car on sale.

The regular, if you want the square headlights is 64. God, wow. That's about 61 more than I'd spend. But this, this is an appealing car. And it wrote, compared to a land. The roadmanners are so significantly better. You're not stressing out that four-cylinder engine that's barely keeping up with the car.

This is a really compelling car. You've got to admit, between 465 for the very base model, and the very top trim with destination is still under $60,000. That's a 650-horse off-road SUV that does zero to 60 and 36 with 330 miles of range. It is a perfect all-round. Incredibly appealing.

Incredibly appealing. Well, it's really important they hit a home run with this car. I mean, this is what we've been waiting. waiting for, admittedly. And I'm personally waiting for R3 because that's my thing, but this is so compelling. It's hard to argue with this. Especially.

I think R3 is going to be cool, but ultimately this is going to be the volume car. Absolutely, of course. And I think it is incredibly. I think the only drawback is I really truly believe it will get into R1 sales. They don't, but they're wrong. Like, it just straight up well. Yeah.

Especially because they're not visually differentiated. But I think that it's going to be a really big hit at those price points. I'm really surprised to those price points, obviously. Honestly. And in fact, the big sellers are going to be the standard and the premium. The standard starts at 48, 490 predestination. That's carefully created to make it fit right under $50,000 base before with destination, which is totally reasonable.

And if the single motor, which is a standard, right, if I'm not trying to correctly. Standard is rear wheel drive. So if that is still giving you 350 horsepower. Yeah. Great. That's right. That's faster than any gas powered competitor. It's faster than anything like that.

Now, you probably do want all-wheel drive, and Rivian, I think, is still going after the off-road or at least vaguely capable crowd. But stepping up to the premium, which is what I think I would do looking at these numbers, you step up to the premium, you can get another 100 horsepower, you get all-wheel-drive standard, a second's chopped off zero to 60. Your range is not affected at all, and the additional cost is only $5,000. The premium is like the one to get. It's just starting to get a little spendy at about 56 before options, but that's like the one to get. I'm impressed by this price, you're buying one. Yeah, I can see it. You want one.

I do, I do, I think it's an incredibly compelling offering. It will quickly go to the top of the list of what do you recommend to somebody? Yeah, that's in that price. Anybody who comes to me now looking for an EV big, look, you need an R2, but what about, no, no, look, it's time for an R2. You certainly don't want an Ionic 6, am I right? They're just dead. Okay, we got to, that's R2 pricing, very compelling, very appealing.

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A lot of the rest of the news is devoted to cars that are dead, including the Audi A-8, which is dead surprises no one. We have reported on this podcast that the Alexis LS died. That was maybe six months ago. Obviously, six, eight years ago, the Jaguar XJ died, the Accura RL died, all of the big luxury scene. Yes, AccurRLX. Recently.

I don't know, 10 years. It's like we're seeing a pattern. And I have long predicted the death of the AA. One of the last videos of reviews I did in the A, I was talking about it'd be the last generation, which it was. But I still think the 7th series is not long for this world. Yes, that is exactly what I thought when I saw this news. And they killed it in the Fatherland, too.

So in Germany, they're no longer accepting orders. And it's like, you just have to imagine seven isn't that far behind. I see them a lot, though. So I don't know. They care a little bit more about that position. BMW holds on to the heritage. You got to assume also that 7 series is still selling relatively well enough. That like it's still relatively popular.

It's justifiable for now, but its days may be number. Man, its sales numbers are low. The 0506, they were selling 17, 18, 16,000 units a year. This is the United States. These days, they are lucky to crack 10. So in a normal year, they're selling half of what they... I'm sorry, 07-08, they were selling 17,000, 18,000 units. These days are lucky to crack 10.

They're selling half of what they were just 15 years ago. The writing is on the wall. Half during the recession. That's... Yeah. The writing is on the wall. It's pretty clear where the future of this car is headed. But nonetheless, rest in peace, A.A.

It's a good car. The A8 was a good car. The Lexus LS was a good car. I don't think that any of the failure of this market, of these vehicles have anything to do with their quality as vehicles. I think it is purely the market segment has moved on. People want SUVs. I mean, you could drive around in this or a range rover.

You drive around in this, you look like the father of someone who has a range rover, you know, or the grandfather. I'm fine with that. So true. Nobody wants to say, and you know, remember they tried in this generation to make it where you open the door and it raises up like an SUV. So it's not so hard to get in. Shockingly, that play didn't work. Incredible suspension technology, though. It like predicts bumps, right?

It has a camera that's a scan. Nobody cares about it. I'm sure it will be reliable in the long term. Nobody cares about any of this. I was the saddest about the Jaguar XJ because I thought the final generation XJ was a fantastic luxury. Well, luckily you had like 10 years of it being out. Yeah, including with a V8.

But this is another luxury sedan dead. Full-sized luxury sedans. Thankfully, Cadillac came out with one that costs $400,000. But other than that, other than that, what's left? The S-class, which just got refreshed. That's going to stick around. Yep, the S-class, the G-90. which obviously will not see another generation.

No doubt. The 7 series, that's it. That's all. That's your full-size luxury sedan world. It used to be that those were the top of the heap of aspirational. I mean, obviously there's Rolls-Royce and Bentley and stuff, but I'm talking about it at this price point. There used to be the top of the heap of aspirational cars.

Like when you were a kid, if someone's dad had an S-class, they were the rich. Like, it was like, that was like the coolest thing imaginable. I mean, yeah, totally. This extrapolates to those cars, Rolls v. too. I mean, how many cullin's in some Bentegas

do you see versus when was the last time you saw a series 8 Phantom? Absolutely. I can't remember

genuinely. Totally. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I love my sedans but that makes me sad. I love sedans too

and I think that for enthusiasts there's still a place for sedans as performance cars. These are certainly not enthusiast cars. Yeah. And it's one more long and you have to assume

G90 goes away and then you're just left with the 7th series and the ask class. The Panamara. The Panamara is a hatchback. Also, maybe combined

with a taicon. You know, that's where the trickest things Porsche has ever done. The Panama, this whole time, it's a luxury sedan. It's a hatchback. They snuck in this, like, sneaky little hatchback into the market. Nobody knows. Does just having a hatchback makeeth it a genre? Because the 812 is a hatchback.

Yeah. Yep. So. The 812 and the Volkswagen Golf duke it out for compact hatchback of the year. In my book, anyway. No, you're right. There is the panamara, but that's not going to be long for this role. No.

I mean, you look at these salmower. There is talks of the next-gen-gen-panor. It will be combined with the Taekon. Of course it will. The idea that there were two cars in that segment is so insane from the outset. Of course that was what was going to happen. Okay, interesting things. Give us our next newsie.

Oh my God, did you read this? I do. Car and driver, notable publication. I'm famous. Called me out in the review of the Honda Prelude. They said, internet personalities obsessed with quirks and features have criticized the preludes base price. But accounting for inflation, the 97 Prelude, is actually more expensive than today's prelude.

That's what they said. The thing that they're forgetting is they didn't account for any inflation in terms of horsepower. The current prelude actually has the same horsepower rating as the 97 trailer that they referenced. It turns out that cars have gone cheaper. It turns out if you look at all cars relative to inflation, cars have gone truly notably cheaper. I will say, I actually love Car and Driver, and I use Car and Driver a lot for research for videos that I make and all that. Writing stuff about how the prelude is not too expensive undermines the credibility. of the entire endeavor, there's nobody in the world who thinks this car is reasonably priced.

And then you see this, and that's where the criticism comes. Oh, they're getting paid by Honda. It's like, oh, yeah, probably. How do you say they're not? And they're sitting here defending the new prelude and the tradition of all the great future preludes or past ones. I will say this, a car and driver. Let's do a little friendly comparison about sales figures, a little waiter here. And let's see how it goes.

Let's see if this car is successful. And I think in the end, the internet personality obsessed with quirks and features will be right. Filippa, you thinking about a prelude? No. Huh. And why is that? They're so bad reasons.

Because, first of all, the civic hybrid hatchbacking thing. Exists. Second of all, the accord hybrid exists. You know, I have now seen one prelude. It wasn't on the road. It was at a Honda dealer that I drove by. It had been, they had like a viewing platform, and it was on it.

Wow. Trying to get people off the free way to come. Credit to Honda. I've seen two. With plates. With plates. And apparently they have a goal of selling about $4,000 this year.

And in February they did sell like 200-ish. 300? Which is like put them vaguely on track. Well, you know, I would argue that, right? Ultimately, 300 times 12 is less than $4,000. And that's when the car is brand new. I said vaguely on track. If you look at the tail of these cars,

it ends up, it doesn't usually increase. Supply limited. You know, when the, when the car is. The new four-hunter comes out. First month sales aren't that high. I'll tell you right now, this thing ain't supply limited. There is not a Honda dealer in the world who doesn't have three of these either existing at their dealership or inbound sitting there thinking, how are we going to put these down? There is not a Honda dealer in the world that isn't in their Monday morning sales meeting. Doesn't have all the salespeople come together.

All right, two grand to anybody who sells the prelude this week. Anybody who gets the prelude out the door gets two grand. 300 new on lots right now. 300 new. Which is about a month. A month's supply. Apparently. It's been out for a month.

You know, Felipe, if you had that $90 million in profit, you'd still drive right past the Honda dealership and not buy this. Oh, yeah. There are other Honda dealers that would buy. People would 90 million can't afford to lose the depreciation that this part is going to lose. Stop. This is the only,

this is the first piece that I have seen, that supported the pre. Agreed with your take, yeah. I can't believe it. I will say. Their second piece. that it handles great, which you also... Agreed. It totally did handle great. It totally did handle great.

It would be nice if the rear seats matched fronts, but hey, that was pretty rough. All right, move on to the wheels. Move on to the wheels. I'm excited to report that earlier this week was TE37 day. I want to give a little stuff about why we're doing this new story. T-E-37 is some sort of wheel in Japan. People in the comments would be like, that's the greatest wheel! Yes, they will.

I'm not a Japanese wheel guy. But we have a guy here in the office, Ryan Lopez. You may remember him from the broken air conditioner incident a couple weeks ago. Anyway, he's obsessed with all sorts of modded Japanese cars. And he said to me, he said, if you do the story on the TE37s being given their own holiday in Japan, I'll do a favor for you. And I said, great. I said, we're low on snacks in the office. I said, can you buy them?

He said, I won't buy them until you do the news. So we had no choice. So big day in Japan. The Japan Anniversary Association, which is apparently the Association that makes national holidays in Japan. I did verify this is truly the association that doesn't. made March 7th, starting this year, the Volk Racing T-E-37 Day. It's been around for 30 years, this month, or this year, rather, and obviously 37, 37. 37, so Volk T-37's made by Ray's.

Explain that to me. How is it both Volk and Ray's company? So this would be like a General Motors Cadillac CT5. Which, by the way, every General Motors car said General Motors. It tracks. Okay, so March. great day in Japan, love our T-E-37s. Fantastic wheel.

Is that enough to... Is that enough to get the snacks in the office? Got it. Okay, move on. Go back at Pischer, Kenan? Until you saw those pictures, would you have known what a T-E 37? Yeah, but that's the only wheel I can identify that isn't OE. BVS-A-O-E?

No, I can identify every OE wheel and one aftermarket wheel. Oh, and the Ronald Teddy Bears, of course. Now, he also will use T-E-37 as like a cover-all for any aftermarket wheel if it's just, wow, T.E.37s. Anytime it cars and coffee, someone's got aftermarket wheels, I'm like, look at this thing on T.E.37. No, great day,

great day in Japan to commemorate the very special T.E. 37, which is, of course, on many four-lug vehicles, including Ryan's zesty drift car, which, by the way, has functional air conditioning. All right, move on to the next news story. There was a report in New York Times. This is one of those news articles.

I hate New York. Times reporting that California is cracking down on Montana people. I don't hate it because I have any cars registered Montana. In fact, I don't have it for a long time. I hate it because everyone in my life has sent me this news article. Did they not? So this all came from the, like, state attorney general, whatever, put up like a Facebook post and an Instagram post about this, and all the pictures in that article came from that Instagram post. California, a lot of states have started to crack down. In fact, California is not the strictest state that is correcting down on this. Every time I read an article about California's enforcement measures, I'm a stop

honest at how lax they are. They're like, we think $20 million is uncaptured sales tax. I'm like, like 10 cars, maybe. What happened? They're apparently cracking down. They went after some, they're starting to go after dealers. So one of the interesting things that California has done to try to curb this happening is that if a car in California is sold now to an out-of-state business, you have to submit a driver's license. Even though a business is buying it, some human being has to submit a driver's license to California DMV taking ownership of the car. Now, if you buy the car and you live in North Carolina and you ship the car to North Carolina as an out-of-state business

and you provide a North Carolina DL, California's not going to care anymore. But if you buy the car as a California, and you submit a California driver's license and you register it to an out-of-state Montana business, they're going to be knocking on your door, as they should. So last week, or they announced last week that they charged 14 people with felony tax evasion

and how many dollars in sales tax? Specifically, though, the article was highlighting that they had found these people through the dealerships. $2.3 million in sales after every now. Yeah. The dealerships who are now providing this form, the dealerships are now required to provide this form

anytime a car is sold to an out-of-state business. And so it's gotten a little bit harder to title a car in Montana if you're a California resident or a California driver's license unless you play a little fast and loose with things. It's such an obvious spot for enforcement. Yeah.

Right. Like it's so visible. Right. It's so obvious in so many cases. Right. People brag about it constantly. Some of the convictions came from, like, just texts back and forth. Oh, my God, I can't.

They didn't get those. Obviously, it helped the conviction was during the discovery. There were just texts back and forth of, oh, my God, I saved so much money by titling my car in Montana. Right. Maybe don't. Back about it. Kenan, what are you going to do now?

You can't do Montana anymore. I have always registered my cars in the state of California. I paid sales tax on them all proudly. So this sounds like a problem for other people. I agree. Now, the article, me too, by the way, Oklahoma. Now, the Oakla is what I say when I'm being. serious. We should start saying Montana.

Should not. No, that's a few being disingenuous. The article did say that they're going to crack down on the other four no-sales tax states, which are specifically starting giving more scrutiny to cars in California registered in those states, which are Oregon, Delaware, New Hampshire, and Alaska.

New Hampshire is probably not a big one because they have a physical inspection, but I mean, I don't see cars running around with Delaware plates. We see some Alaska's. But that's mostly military. Oregon's tough because it borders. Like, I see cars from Oregon all the time, but if I, if it's February, I would want to get out of Oregon right now, too. The benefit of Montana is that you can create an L.C. incredibly easily. The car never needs to be there.

There's a bunch of benefits that I think make Montana a little unique. Yeah. Alaska's apparently the same way. And Alaska's, yeah, yeah, people do Alaska now. Down in San Diego, you can get away with that because every service number has. It's tough if you're CHP to pull people over for this because 80% of the time, someone's going to pull out an Oregon driver's license is going with their Oregon license plate and be like, why are you hassling? Right. But if it's on a La Farrari, it might be a little harder to... I bet that guy doesn't have an Oregon or Montana license.

Yeah, maybe. That might be true. By the way, I took this photo and I took it in California. And the reason I took it is because that Hyundai accent was trying to parallel park in front of this La Farrari. And it was the most stressful experience of my entire life just watching it happen. This is probably eight years ago at Monterey Car Week. Okay, what's our next news story?

Oh, Philippo. So there was a report out this week about, by like a transportation alternatives organization, about the people that got the most speed camera tickets in New York State. And I want you to just kind of give me a guess minute. In 2025, how much, how many tickets a single car received that was the most, in this case, school zone speeding tickets? Well, I mean, in Manhattan, you get them, I don't know, 40, 50. I will say number one was 100% in Brooklyn. Yeah, I'm not surprised.

The person's community to work every day doesn't know the camera's there and ignores the tickets because they're registered out of state. Honda Corps, some popular car. Okay, it was 259 tickets to 2023 Audi A-6. By the same car was number one in 2024 as well. Small credit to them, they do pay their entire fines, which were $64,000 last year. You're kidding. They paid $64,000.

Yeah, they actually paid it, which is rare, by the way. Most of these payments paid. In New York State, you can get the speed. camera tickets, they don't connect in any way to your registration to your license. So it's not points on your license. It's just cash. There are some interesting ones here. No, because it's the same place every day.

Yeah. They paid. Number two was a lesson. And then kept speeding. For two years in a row. They used as a tax. Yeah. But a crazy high one.

You drive an A6. You could be in an A8 with a car rising degree. It costs more in tickets than the whole car did at that point, I'm sure. Absolutely. There are some interesting ones. In some cases, there was a GLE that had 177 tickets all in a two-month period. Wow. Not before, not since.

Which is fascinating. But number one, two years in a row is that. Somebody also got 134 tickets totaling $20,000 in the 2024 BMW 760I, which is legit. That's not a V-12. That's not a V-12, but it's still the top. Europeans watching this to be like, I don't understand. This is insane, right? These people are arrested.

You've got to wonder. In the United States, we have an unusual attitude towards speed cameras. The United States gets made fun sometimes for having low speed limits. However, enforcement is much less significant than in almost every other developed country. And there are no speed cameras in the United States. And the few places that have implemented speed cameras have done it in very small numbers, only in school zones and construction zones, primarily some stoplights. And even then, they run into a problem because,

you have the right to confront your accuser in the United States, the accuses a camera. The governments are always afraid of litigating some of these cases. And so they're actually more willing to just be like, all right, well, they didn't pay. We're not going to go after them. We can't do much. They can't prove who's behind the wheel.

You know, in Germany, if you get a speeding ticket, a speeding camera ticket, they say, we don't care who is behind the wheel. You're paying this and you're responsible. But in the states, is very different. Getting 259 school zone speeding camera tickets, at some point does become a safety hazard. It's wild that the person speeds in schools on every day.

Send a police officer out there to start writing them actual tickets that will actually affect their driving record. This report says that there's 2.5 million people that live within a five-minute walk of the intersections where the 10 super speeders got most of their tickets. It's really not all that hard. I know NYPD doesn't do traffic enforcement, but like you could snip this one in the bud pretty quick.

Three school's own speeding tickets read to a person, probably you lose your license, I assume, especially in a short period of time, Two or three. Yeah. But they don't do that. That's not how things work in New York. The traffic enforcement is a political thing that is talked about in New York City, but it is not something that's actually enforced.

If you see a black, 223, Audi A6, and you live in Brooklyn, be quite careful. What's a plate? Did they give the plate? They do give the plate. What is it? LCM 8254. Damn. Damn.

He should get birthplace of baseball plates. Everyone in New York should. 2017 IS is number two. Ram 1500. 2017 Lexus I. Ram 1500. Of course. What's the plate on the RAM?

Brother. LCK-7-7-57. Oh, so it's a regular person. Regular person. Of course, it's a regular person. Well, I don't know. I could see these tickets being racked up by delivery companies or taxis that are driving massive miles,

and the company just pays them as a class. They would find consequence for that. There's another RAM-1500 on the list as well, and a Mercedes A-Class. Really? A-class sedan. These are all cars where I wouldn't assume that people would care, so I guess it makes sense.

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Okay, next news story, please. Very interesting, very interesting. Ah, another car that's dead, the Infinity J30. Nice. The Ionic 6 is dead, except for the ionic 6N, which will be sold in 2026. Because they came out with it yesterday.

Yeah, they came out with a refresh in 2025. What were they thinking of this car? So most Hyundai EVs, including theionic 5, are built in the U.S. Theionic 6 is built in South Korea. Okay, so there was a terrific. In addition to it being a sedan. I mean, it was kind of doomed from day one because it looked like the Infinity J-30. And it was electric.

It's a cool-looking sedan, but it's a weird-looking sedan. I don't think it's... You never like the Infinity J-30? I don't love the Infinity J-30? Really, it's re-wheel drive. Okay. You don't like this car? I said I don't love it.

It's not... It's particular. Look at that. And I agree that the Onic 6 is similar. So yeah, it wasn't selling that well relative to other Hyundai EVs and cost 25% more to Hyundai because of the tariffs. It makes that. The Onic 6 aden, I think, is small enough production numbers that they're willing to eat that.

Plus, it literally just came out. They should at least give it a shot. Unlike Infinity, who only gave us four short years with the J-30. You can only take the J-30 to your golf course for a short, limited time, and then it was stolen from us. Sadly. You remember this car at all? You ever seen one of these?

No. I would ignore. I try to ignore these, but... They look kind of cool. I don't think so. I don't hate how they look either. I think they look like a beetle. Not a Volkswagen vehicle,

like an actual, like, grotesque, like, called exterminating your beetle. I agree with both of you. I think it looks like a bug and is weird, but at the same time I'm sort of drawn to it. This is one of those cars that I wish I would own if I wasn't into cars. I wanted to... I see what I'm saying.

I wanted to like this, but I just can't. I've tried. Also, it came out at the same time as Ionic 5. It's sold alongside the Ionic 5. Theionic 5 is more practical and as the form factor that people want. Credit to Hyundai, though, for coming out with both and giving a shot. I mean, I think a lot of everybody else just came out with an SUV. It's Tesla, I guess, did both, obviously.

But most other people just did the SUV thing. And we got this for a little while and we got reminded about the J-30 and now it's gone, gone, gone. Except for the end, which is cool. Do you think I should review one? Does it have the same? No one's going to buy it is the problem. Does it have the same fake shifting? Oh, I wouldn't mind reviewing one then.

Does it have a big wing? I honestly do. It looks like it does. It looks like it has a massive wing. You know, I got on the freeway the other day in something. I was driving something cool. And there was an Hyundai in either a five or a six up ahead of me there. Couldn't tell.

It was almost certainly a five. It does have a big wig and it has like cool body treatment, actually. Cool body treatment. Yeah. So the question is, how do you create, how do you take this beetle-looking car and turn it into a performance-looking car? We're about to find out. This is 6N?

6N, yeah. It doesn't like that performance. Huh. That looks like a rendering. That's kind of what it looks like. I think you have to put a space between 6 and N. It doesn't really matter. The point is, it's all, oh, there we go.

There, look at that. Yeah. Hey, you know what, Kenan, let's go power sliding one of these around wherever that is in Chuck Wall. That's Chuck Walla for sure. You think there's Chuck Wallet? There's Joshua trees at Chuck Walla? You think so? Maybe.

Maybe a couple of those corners. Maybe they're fake. There was a facelift last year, obviously. Nobody cared. What else we got in terms of news stories? Anything else? Oh, yeah. Yes, of course.

The Mercedes VLE, which is their new luxury electric van that's obviously made for like limo companies and fleets. But we'll be sold to private people. Full electric? Yeah, it's coming to the U.S. We don't have range numbers yet, but their big focus is on screens. There's like a huge screen on the interior,

as with every new Mercedes product. Yep. There's a huge rear compartment. screen and it's a new van. The Metris, obviously, was a beloved, well-reviewed, well-regarded minivan. And if you haven't gotten to seen Doug's review, you should, because you really expand on why it's so good. The VLE will, I'm sure, be a success.

You think it'll be a success? No, absolutely not. It will do well. 370 miles of EPA range. 370. It will do well with, they can have two batteries, so the base trim is smaller battery. Can I ask you a question? It will do well with, like, the fleets that want a small luxury.

You often talk about how you wish there were electric vans, plug-in vans, and luxury vans. Why doesn't Lexus make a van? Folks, this is it? Now, is there only going to be like an executive transport version or is there going to be like a car seat capable? I think there's going to be a regular version. We are only getting the long wheelbase version. We don't want the shorty. We don't need the shorty.

The same thing the ID Buzz. We don't need the shorty. So, Morcom, but it is exciting that it's coming because I think it is a niche. I mean, you saw people converting the Metres into the Metris Maibok to have a luxurious people-carrier limo situation. This is a good contender for that, too. Okay. I kind of like the W-123-inspired, like, grill and stuff on the front. I kind of like that.

Yeah, W-123-inds. I completely agree with that. It looks like an old, like, high-grill, low-grill Mercedes. Yeah. I'm interested in this. I'm interested in this from the perspective of someone who wants a minivan. Do you think that this will replace my desire to have a Toyota Sienna? No.

No. Because you think it's going to be, like, very commercial van. In Europe, it will certainly be a family van. and I'm sure they'll come out with something. What makes Europeans different from me? They have different car buying preferences. Like what? Like what?

They don't buy Seirosokoyas for one. You know, I saw Sequoia. Last time I was in Italy, I saw Sequietti Pro on the street. I got a picture of it. Really? What was the Coyote Swiss? No, it was Italian plates and it was the V8 one, the old body. It was green.

I'll send you the picture. I'll give it to you. I actually distinctly remember it. And it's quite a moment for real. This might be something that is vaguely appealing. I worry that it won't be. Yeah, it's like emphasis on that big, but yeah. Well, I can't wait to see the price point.

I personally am interested in this electric van. I'll tell you what, it's only been good news stories this week. A8's gone. Didn't like it anyway. Ionic 6's gone. We already heard that story with the J30. But now we got an electric minivan. Philippo, there's, and California's cracking down on the losers who try to cheat us all.

Right. Everything is coming up, Felipe. Yep. All right. Next news story. And that's the end of it. Oh, that's the end. Well, sorry, Felipe.

It's all over for you. Philantis. But I wanted to also talk about some van that... Oh, I do want to talk about the RAM van. We're not talking about... Okay, tell us the Salinas story. They're hiring engineers. I want to share a quick headline.

Yep. The new folks of Solanta 7th and UCO recognize that they've had some quality issues and hiring 2,000 engineers to fix their quality issues. Now, some feel that if you take pride in your work, the quality should be good. So the fact they need 2,000 people to go... Their framing for this is actually somewhat fair,

which is the companies that have the best quality reputation. are the companies that most iterate instead of innovate? So basically their argument is like Toyota uses the same power trains for decades and decades and decades. One problem, though, that I have is that Chrysler doesn't do either. It was good framing. I didn't say it was correct. I totally agree with that point. I think about this a lot.

It is kind of amazing to be sometimes when I get in Toyota some of the features they still don't have. Because they don't feel that they're ready yet. And they care about the quality. They use the same chassis. They use the same engine for a long, long time. I would like to see Chrysler step into the innovation realm, therefore. Oh, yeah, no, that seems unlikely. Okay, well, then I would at least like them to be able to create cars that aren't lemon law buybacked.

That is their hope, too. 2,000 engineers so that, so that RAM 1500s don't get Lemon Law buybacked. And this might not work, to be clear. This might not be enough. They need more. Let's just hire more people. Just throw people in money. It also assumes that they hire the best people, I don't know.

Which you assume they don't. Let me ask you a question. If you're Chrysler or whoever it is. By the way, Atlantis isn't just Chrysler. They have many brands. That's another problem. They have so many brands. Do you think that spinning off RAM into its own brand was really stupid?

It was a tough move with this when Dodge sells a single vehicle. If you're Chrysler, why do you think that 2,000 additional people is going to be the thing that solves the problem? Don't you think, like, quality? Because some consultant McKenzie told him it that's going to fix everything. There's a good rush. Right, like they need to do a lot more testing Basically is what they're saying, right? They need to go a lot further on their like infotainment and electronic system testing

They need to just do more more testing in general and that's what the focus is It just seems like a lot it just seems like a lot of people for what for something that should be done Also I'm excited to talk about I don't know two years on this podcast about them laying off I don't know Somewhere between 2000 and 10,000 engineers Something in that right God that's truer than I can even begin to explain. Okay, can I ask you a question? Yeah Can you name even 10 of something? They have 14. I can literally name all of them.

They have 14, please go ahead. Chrysler? Yeah. Ram. Yep. Alpha Romeo. Fiat. Yep.

Dodge. Yeah. Okay, so I'm already halfway there. Srt. Not a standalone brand. There was a time. Lancia? Yeah.

Which Italian ones have I done? Have I said Fiat? You said Fiat. And Alpha. Uh, eagle Decent guess The rest will come naturally once you remember Maserati

Yeah Hey I got eight I'm doing pretty well Can you get two more? Yeah There are 14 Can you get two more? Yeah, I can get two more

Um Opel Yeah And Holden I mean Yeah I mean it's not on this list

But yeah Vaux Vexall Vexall Yeah, if we're counting that in Opal. Do they even still sell cars onto those brands in Europe? Apparently. What are the other four?

A Barth, you missed. Oh, God, Jesus. That is exactly the kind of course. I am so done. We're moving on to the talk car segment. What you actually miss is Citro and D.S. And Peugeot. I forgot that they own those.

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Run your business smarter with Square. Get started today. Kenan, tell us about Moda. Yes, and I know you guys talked about a bit last week, but I was at Moda for the entirety of the event and I got to experience all. Tell us about the flood. Everybody wants to know about the flood. The flood was shocking. Now, we knew it was going to rain.

Everybody knew this. And it had sprinkled the day before. It wasn't a big deal, actually. Got some cool pictures. It was kind of nice, actually. It was sunny in the morning, sprinkles in the afternoon. The storm that came through on Sunday came out of nowhere. The skies got really dark, and we were all, like, walking around.

And my friends and I had gotten there a little bit late. And we wanted to see everything before the rain came down, but it was clear that wasn't going to happen. So we went under what was the auction tent, which was then. the award ceremony at 10. It could hold about 400 people, I think. It was huge. And then the heavens opened. And it was not only the rain, it was the wind.

The wind was really bad. And lightning, actually, I was told struck a golf cart and was like, so they're like, we can't have, people can't be hanging out here. So they told us all. And these people are dressed nicely and all this thing. Like, you have to go inside the Biltmore. And I was like, oh my God. How far were the way of the Biltmore?

Biltmore must have been, I don't know, 200 yards, 300 yards. I mean, like, enough that like, you don't get wet. And I was like, okay, I'm going to wait and be the last person out here and just let the exodus of people go. But then people were sprinting. And my friends and I all got separated, but I just drenched. Just absolutely drenched. I was sprinting at one point.

Were we the last person out? Close. I waited as long as I could. But the rain was coming down so hard that even like the steps to go up to the Biltmore was like running up a fountain because it was just like cascading down. I got inside just absolutely had to toe soaked. But then my friend Ryan had a stroke. of genius. He decided that he was like, well, I need towels. Where are our towels? He was like,

well, it's probably the fitness center. So he went down to the fitness center. Nobody there. And he texted us all and we eventually got up, they had a dry sauna, they had hair dry. So we all got perfectly dry. And we're walking around and so we're just waiting for the rain stop. Now the rain did stop and we're like, we have to go out right now. I want to see the carnage out there. I want to see what happened. And it was just immediate. They were areas just huge flooding. And, like, immediately I started thinking, it's like, there's a McLaren F1 here.

Where's the McLaren F1? I saw Tyler's car, but Tyler's car was up on, like, a plinth, you know? The 300 was fine, German car, can take it. Yeah. given out? No, people didn't care at that point. Some people had gotten their awards. I think Ed was supposed to get an award in his Diablo SV. But anyway, I come over this hill and like,

there's the F1 in water. And like there's a 675 LT come like up to the door cells. Testarosa completely surrounded the Yesco, like all of these cars that you saw like image of it was like and there's nobody around him. And it was like this is a, it was like something out of like, you know, was Tom Hartley. He was the one that takes pictures of the cars on the water. That's what it looked like, but it was just chaos. But I will say the cars that got, you pointed out, some cars were open-topped. They tried to put plastic over a lot of them, but the wind was so severe ripped it off of a lot of cars. You know, there wasn't enough footage of this. Like, there, people ran inside, no one, it would have been cool to stay out. And, because I didn't

see any pictures or video of open-top cars get taking on water. The only thing I've seen is I saw somebody with like a cup or a bucket taking water out of a McLaren Elva, the interior McKinnellva. To be clear, they were encouraging us to go inside and it was dangerous to be outside. The lightning in an open field not. There's that golf cart video where they're driving the golf car like, get out of here!

And like a part of a tent like collapses. My friends were right there. Like they got separated and went to that tent and I have footage of them like looking around. It collapsed like right next to a singer 9-11. It looked like. Well, and there's a one-off Ferrari that it was right there. And it was just like, it was

I've never witnessed anything like it. Now, that's to say, A lot of people are focusing on the negatives, and I actually have a video that's coming out, the thoughts on Moda, like to talk about this. But the event, the rest of the event was awesome. It was so much fun, and it was great. And I've been told that, like, this event is going to continue to go forward,

and I really hope so. Because I know everybody was upset, like, about the rain. I'm sure there are things going on. I'm sure some owners are not pleased. But I wasn't upset. I thought it was... I looked at all of those Instagram videos, and I was so excited. It was like, this is a car event I'll remember.

No one will remember the quail event where I just... showed my kuntash along with four others. But everyone's going to remember the motto where that guy was digging his interior of his elva. Well, yeah, we watched this really rich guy roll up his pants and take off his shoes and wade out to his yesterday. I mean, this poor guy in the test store

I was like I kept stalling it. I mean, it was just like, I've just never witnessed anything like it. At all the car events I've been to, it was also a reminder of why, like, it's Florida. It's Florida. That's the thing that surprised me. I was watching that video and I was thinking to myself, this is a fairly typical afternoon rainstorm in Florida.

This happened almost every day, honestly. I'm kind of surprised that this hasn't been a situation before. Yeah, the wind was a surprise. 40 to 50 mile an hour gusts is a lot. The wind seemed like an unusual. But of course, it's on a golf course. There are no trees really to slow it down. But I think there are definitely learnings that the event organizers will take away from this.

Giant. I saw John Tamer in about 20 seconds before they told us they had to leave the tent. No, I didn't get to talk to him because he was on the phone. Was he like the organizer of it or something? He's involved with it. And so. Let me ask you this question. And I don't mean to throw shade on the McLaren Elva,

all of you McLaren Elv owners watching. Do you think that the rain is forecast, and you could put some covering on, but you have a McLaren Elva, and you think to yourself, this is my chance. Hold on a second. Where's the lowest point I can move this to? I might finally be able to get out of this car

and not lose $2 million. It's insured for what I paid. Unfortunately, it's only worth a third of what I paid. this is my chance to get out of a McLarenelva. In which case, I wouldn't have attempted to take the water out of it, would have left it in there to stew with the electronics. Well, maybe he made sure that that video got around so that it could be seen as he was...

I tried. I tried so hard. I'm so sorry. This is my dream car. I'm so sorry. I love this car so much. That's why I drove it six miles total. It was such a usable car.

With no engine of proof. And it wasn't, I wasn't upset that I paid two and a half million and it's currently worth $375,000. It didn't bother me at all. But unfortunately, I do think it is totaled. Yeah. So sorry. Yeah. Maybe.

But still, it was such a fun event. And my friends and I all had a great time and I suspect we'll go back next year. So we'll see what the weather does. What other parts of the event are there? There's other stuff. There's other stuff. Yeah. So there's, you know, there's the auction preview before Arm Southabees has an auction there.

And that's a lot of, those are always fun to go, because you can go check up the cars, it's cool. But then. Competitor to cars and bits. This is a competitive, we don't discuss. Unnamed auction company has an auction. Unnamed auction company, yes. Unnamed auction company that sells, you have a lot of Ferraris and cool stuff.

Actually, there was a section that had all of our cars. Had a 355, like I had a Carrar GT, Kuntosh, SLR, like the cars. Did it have a 2014 Mercedes-Benz E-350 station wagon? No, and it didn't have a targa. The rare, the rare, you get to hold your head, No target. $2.2. I'm glad you went.

I'm glad you enjoyed it. I'm glad you enjoyed it. I am jealous that you got to experience what I think will go down as like the car event of the year because of this ridiculous rains. I tend to agree. I think that anybody who was there will remember this one for a long time. Were you there during the rain? This is going to be our calling card.

Right. Like Amelia goes on the next week and it looked like it was great and it would look like it was fine and successful. But I've been rained out of that event too. Oh, really? Is that right? The last two years in a row, they had to move the event from Saturday and Sunday because of the rain.

Oh, yeah, they've moved it. And also, I've gone out and they've had the show and it comes down. And, like, it is just amazing to see 250 GTO just getting rained on like a normal... I know they're just cars, but it's like, these cars are like, people touch them with white gloves. You would never take an art piece or something. Right. And then to see them driving around after. One last point on this, I will say the coolest cars to see driver around,

the cars that made the most sense had no problems, pre-war cars. Because they were designed to be driven on roads that didn't exist. Yeah. Like, just mud. They're like right at home. It's a great point. You know what else didn't have problems? The career GTs.

Certainly the 959s. Yeah. Oh, 959s definitely. Jack it right up and you're all set. But I did have a last point on this. I had a lot of fun. So many people came up and said hello and a lot of people are very kind about the podcast, which is so great.

I'm so great before, so it's very humbling whenever someone does that. Why isn't that so many people come up to us and tell us they listen to our podcast? It's unbelievable. Because people do. Hundreds of thousands of people. Folks, you're listening to this? How humbling. It is.

It is. The number of people come up to me and say, I used to watch your videos. But I love your podcast. I'm like, yeah, I don't blame you. But I was very humbled by it and just had a wonderful time. And, uh, Jimmy, Jimmy says hello. Got to talk to him. Oh, I talked to Jimmy.

Yeah, got to see everybody. So everybody was there. So it was. Who's everybody? Did you talk to, um. Tyler was there? April was there. Did you talk to Leno?

Yeah, he wasn't there. He didn't see him. He doesn't leave California. And you know what? Do you blame him? You know, but he'll guarantee he'll be at all right. He's got, buddy's got to go see Donald. Yeah.

Plus he lives there. Osborne to be clear. I want to talk about the SL-65. Yes, SL-65 is currently for sale. It's live right now. It's the end of an era. The cars and the bids. A very brief era, nonetheless.

It was. Now, do you have a question you want to ask? No, I just, and I don't even want to glow. I don't even want to glow. Hey, you said Valentine's Day. What is today? Not Valentine's Day. Yeah, but part of that is because my own delay in getting the video up.

I think you would have been ready on Valentine's Day. I would have, you know, to be honest with you, I would have been ready to have the car for another month. I think. But I did a lot of what I wanted to do at the SL-65. The whole reason I'm getting rid of it is that although the car is very me and I love it, it's just the secondary car should have a manual. It just has to.

You, by the way, I may have said Valentine's Day, but you said moderate car week, as I recall. Well, you know, we can't all be, we're not both not right. Well, you know, we both missed the market. I am impressed that you did three thousand miles. Yes. Yeah. I did quite a few miles in the car. How many miles did you do?

It's actually a little bit more than that. I actually have to correct that. I think it's $1,500 more than that. So about 4,500 miles. Wow. I mean, that's pretty good. You know, any enthusiasts you can get $5,000, I think that it takes about that many miles to really get the feel for a car.

And I think you did 4,500 miles in a car. You had it. You owned it. Like, you had that experience. For a couple of weeks, I drove it every single day and didn't drive the M5 at all. But, yeah, so I think I got the experience with the engine is a masterpiece. I did a video that's live on this on my YouTube channel now that kind of talks briefly a little bit more about the ownership experience.

But, you know, I just really, I just, that engine, I genuinely think that is one of the best V-12s ever made up. I agree. Top five. It is a wonderful power train. And you've got to experience it for, I mean, 4,500 miles. Nick can't go more than 60, 70 miles without stalling a car. That's true.

Or money shifting it. Which, you know, it's good thing is SLR is an automatic. There's another video I have coming out on Tuesday. Nick and I traded car. We did SLR versus SL-65, which is an interesting video. It's kind of long, but it comes out on Tuesday, and you can go check that on my YouTube channel. It's a little out of sequence, but I wanted to know, and we had a lot of fun.

But you didn't drag race him in the end. Didn't drag race him in the end. I had a, I've been trying to do this thing this year where I trust my gut for feelings, and I just had a feeling it's like, we shouldn't do this. And Nick got a little squeamish about it too, and I actually think he was kind of right. Let me tell you this. Giving Nick your keys is risky because of that money shift with the TTRS. Well, luckily, no third pedal.

But don't you think Nick could still find a way? Like shift into reverse on the freeway and be like, I just wanted to see if it could. Not to spoil anything, but I also did a video recently where let my friends drive my SL-65. A lot of them went full throttle, but approached it, tipped and gently. Not Nick. Nick just goes...

Well, he feels the tires. Yeah, he is used to. He knows what he's doing. And then he money shifts him. Yeah, couldn't do it with this car. But yes, the SL-65 will go away, and then we'll begin the hunt for the next car. We'll begin the hunt for the next car, which is... I still want a snake. I want a viper.

I want a viper. We have this 2015 viper over here. Yeah. That's a little out of my price range, admittedly. And you know what? It's not better enough to just... I think that the sweet spot of a viper still is a good viper one or two. Like, they never refined it so much that I don't still want the original cars.

I drove that car thinking it was going to be this refined luxury experience, which is how they pitched it at the time. Like, oh, we finally tamed. Well, it still drives like a viper, except that one's 120 grand. Or you can get a 95 and you pay four. And like the fifth gen looks cool, but the first gen is cooler still. It's just so awesome. The fifth gen is definitely the best looking. But yes, I agree.

The first gen is like cool. Cool. It's like it's more extreme. It's just like, well, maybe not with the Aero, extreme Aero versions of that car. But no, I just want a Fiper. Many years ago, I owned a blue white 97. GTS. And Filippo drove the car many times.

Because Doug refused to. He hated it. Here's an interesting story for you, actually. I got a message a couple of weeks ago, the fellow who bought that car. I sold that car over on Bring the trailer because it was before we existed. Now I know that Cars and Bids

is the best platform to sell your enthusiast car. Get the most money for your enthusiast car. Cars and what is, is that about? That's an ad integration. I could have done it without the tone, but yeah. Okay. Get the most money over your car. There you go.

Damn it. Cars and Bids. That's the place. Anyway, so I sold that car to a guy in New Jersey, and he contacted. He bought a car on cars and bits. Oh, nice. And during the buying process, he told our employee that he was working with, he said, our team member, I'm so sorry. He told our team member, he said, oh, it's so cool that you're on a team.

But he also said, hey, I still have Doug's Viper. He said, does he want it back? I'd sell it back to him. And he's only apparently done like 500 miles in the 10 years since I sold it to him. Sounds like a viper. I remember we did that transaction where I sold him the Viper at the Bank of America in South Philly,

and they wouldn't let him use the bathroom, even though they had a bathroom. They just saw him. And I left Bank of America. Like, I stopped being their customer. It wasn't immediately after that, but that was like one of like 28 wrongs, and I was just like, I can't do this anymore.

By the way, Bank of America is a sponsor. Great company, Charlotte, North Carolina, the Queen City. Or something? You think it was the viper that, like, oh, this guy doesn't know how to use indoor plumbing? I will say, there was a horrible, awkward moment during the car transaction that I've never forgot. This was 11 years ago. And I had the car cover for the vibrate him.

And he said to me, he said, oh, you get the cover. He said, is that inside or outside? And I said, well, the cover goes on the outside of the country. Nobody is asking. That's ridiculous. And he goes, yeah, but do you use it inside? I was like, oh, I don't know. But it was actually an inside cover.

That's the great irony, the whole thing. I don't know. I had never covered a car before. My life. But he did not know who he was talking to. He thought he was talking to someone who cared. Ironically, he's probably double his money. But I want a viper.

I just think they're, I just can't shake it. Like, the heart wants what it wants. And yeah, sure, maybe I, same thing. Maybe I only have the car for six months or whatever. But like, just want to check it off. I totally. Yep. You will not do 4,500 miles.

You save it. You don't know. I didn't... It's pretty rough. I drove my Viper a lot. We had it together. Like, it was... It's effortful to you.

I know it is, but I... That's what I want. That's what I want. You say when you first buy a car, remember my Lotus Elise, this is what I want. And then after six months, you're like,

and no one wants to ride in this with me? No one will go for... No, okay. That's true. My friend Ryan has already said, I will never ride in your right. So, you know, whatever. But I want one.

But in the meantime, the S.l-65 is no one. reserves that'll find new home on the cars and the bids. Nice. By the way, to see what happens. Beautifully presented. Photos are great.

And there's so many service records that it's... Plus, this car is can in and is selling this car. This car is Kenan owned. It'd be like buying a car from... Yep. That's right. From who. Yeah.

I don't know who you equate me to... Someone else who's very fastidious. But of course... German. Yeah. But yes, it is my car. Whenever you ask questions in the listing, I'm the one who's responding to them. There are service targets go by the 2015.

Impressive. Yes. Oh, yeah. Scanning them took a long time. I can imagine. Yeah, but there's a lot of great service history at that car. I want to move on to the market report. Yeah. Okay, the market report is brought to you, obviously, by Ryan Lopez's TE-37s. This guy, let me tell you something. Four Lugs. They call him Four Lug-Lopez.

He's like you to know that it's five. Is it five? Your car? It's not a baseball. It's not a base model. He did an axle swap. He did a hub swap. Yeah, there you go. You're getting closer. I don't know what that car has.

Off camera. He just said it has four lad, four lungs, and he swapped it. God. He said it wasn't a baseball that admitted maybe it was a baseball. It's hard for me to always be right all the time, but here we are. I want to move on to the market report. Anyway, let's talk about the E-61. Yeah.

We all put this down. I put it down first, but Filippo caught later. That's actually inaccurate. That's okay. And we sold a 2010 BMW 535I X-E. Drive sports wagon. Okay. We talked about this last week

on our Live Now show on the Cars and Bids show. Yeah. And it was with Ryan and Nick. Wait, wait, hang on. We sold this car for 50. Yeah, yeah. Well, Sean's going to get mad.

I thought you said it. Sorry, keep going, keep going. We sold this car for 52,500 United States dollars. Last week we talked about on a live now show on the Cars and Bits channel. And Nick and Ryan

did not accept at that time that this is the ultimate station wagon. It's a manual five series, one of the best looking five series, Period. Manual, in line 6, all-wheel drive, low miles.

I stand by that. It's okay. Don't worry about it. The E-34 would like a word. Yeah, but that's an old car now. Yeah, but he's saying, so is this. This thing is 20 years old. This looks way more modern.

The E. 61 style of help. Well, of course it looks more modern. It is the best looking. Regardless, it's also a very low mile. Chris Bangle. You know what's better looking by the way? Is the F-10, which we did not get in the stage. I know.

The F-10 touring is really cool. The touring? The F-10 touring. Have you seen? You have eyes? The stand is maybe a little too blobby, but the wagon is... Regardless, the E-61 looks great. This is a really low-mile, nice example.

It's also perfect. It's M-S4. It's the one you want. And they did not accept that this is God's car, but now the market has shown that it is. What did they say it would sell for? They didn't know. Four-Lug Lopez.

They don't know. They don't know. I knew. I have to say the numbers of surprise. I wish I were here to defend the honor of the E-61. Because I like the E-61. I believe this is the one. Sort of the E-61 M-5.

which we can't get yet. This is the... I'm not that surprised by the number. No, I have seen over on certain auction platforms, these get to big money, and I'm thrilled that we are now getting really big money for them. On Bonhams, they're bringing huge money. Bonnoms, they're selling them.

It's right between the... How many other options? Floph and Flukin? Crews, cheese, sagato. The American underslawn. Yeah. No, but seriously. And now we are, we've become the wagon place, obviously.

And this is the result. This is the kind of result I would expect for this car. It's low miles, etc. It is correct. I wouldn't even say we've become. We've always been. We have. But like high-end wagons, you weren't sure, whatever. Now it's like clear that like we are wagon central and like this is the

type of car that really appeals to the real car enthusiast type of buyer. And this is, and also if you're looking for one of these, it's like an 0600 series Land Cruiser. This ain't coming up again. No matter how much money you have. Like you could be sitting on the sidelines with $100,000. It doesn't mean you're going to find one of these cars. Low Mile, M Sport, all-wheel drive,

manual, etc. Even just the manual alone. on an E-61 wagon is very hard to find. Yeah, totally. It's just, it's such a good car. I'm not surprised by the price. It is what these go for, but this is like, we're getting to new records. That whole idea of body swapping an A60M-5,

hell, what you should instead do is body swap an A60M-5 into an E-61 regular 5 series. Why don't I? It solves every problem. Yeah. And it's more valuable. How can you lose? Can tell me if an M-5 is sold.

Have we sold an E-60M-5 for more than this? 52-5. Has anyone since new? I think we had one really low-mile one. The wagon! And that 51. That super low-mile's one which is bid in 51. And then 74.

The answer is no, we have not. The highest dollar E-60 platform car on our site? Is a 535. Two straight, this wagon and that wagon. Neither were M-5. And I stand by that that feels correct. Needless to say, on the E-39 platform, the station wagons do not pull a premium over the M-3-3-3-3-7.

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I want to talk about, there's two other things. Three other things I want to talk about market report. It's a big market report today. One is the Cadillante. Can you pull up Cadillante? We rarely, on this podcast,

I don't know if you've been paying attention, but this podcast is, is, we're shilling for cars and bids on this podcast. We're just, you're being, you're being sold right now. You're talking about this one. So we only ever talk about good results.

We don't ever mention the other stuff. Today I want to change that. I want to talk about the Cadillac Alante. For the record, This is a good result. This is a totally market-correct result. This Cadillac Alante, non-North Star Cadillac Lante, sold for $3,300.

And it hit me while I was watching this. This is a really nice car. Like, this is a well-preserved one. If you look at the interior, especially, like, it was a nice-looking Alante. The Alante, like, that's, you know... Yeah, look for what they are. A little bit of cracking, but, like, for an Alante,

these cars are never going to be worth anything. And it's funny because when they came out in the 80s, it was like, this will be the collector's item, Cadillac, low production, Italian-built. you know, Bute Pinn and Farina design car. They never, ever, ever, ever, ever went up in value. They never will. The market segment who would have sent them up in value is no longer interested in these cars.

It's over for our friend, the Cadillac Alante. And $3,000 to $6,000 is what they're worth. Yep. We turn down more Alantes than we run. We do. We get submitted some really rough ones that are like $1,500 cars. Yeah. I mean, to be fair, this has 100,000 miles.

It's got miles. But pull up, go to the regular Lantte results. Don't necessarily work. Go to the regular launcher results. $7,100 for a North Star. This is true on the, on the, on the, on the trailer. There's no outliers here. Like, ultimately, it's funny because this car had so much of a gravitas behind it when it was new, and it never did.

Same with Buick Riata. They never were out of. Yeah, the Riata. Well, that is, that is interesting. Does this make it the cheapest pin and farina design vehicle you can buy? That's an interesting question. Probably. They're close, anyway.

I'm saying Did she do that Hyundai Matrix or was that Bertoa? No, they did. They do the Hyundai Matrix which was available with seven seats. And that car is cheaper than this car. You can get a Hyundai Matrix forgot about that car. I loved that car. That was a Pinn-N-Friita for sure. No. It was one of some Italian design house,

I think, did it. Yeah, P-N-Firia. Boom! Pull up the Hyundai Matrix. The real question that we should all have for ourselves is would you rather have that Cadillac-A-Lante or... Yep. And Pinn-N-Friene's contribution, because to me, it looked a lot like all the other MPVs in Europe at the time, but their contribution was the rear window was a different height

than the side windows. Do you see? That's real Italian design work right there for you. Chrysler, listen up. That's innovation. That's innovation. That's why it wasn't reliable. They innovated.

Also, I apologize. I was thinking of the Chirondos for having seven seats. They only had five. Yeah, the Rondo, of course, it's a... Thank you for correcting yourself. Sometimes I get text, like, hey, why were you wrong by this? I wanted to not leave that open this time. Pull up the three.

You want to talk 300 ZX? I do, yes. So, yes, the 300 ZX, which I drove around briefly when it was here, sold for $87,000. By the way, in this era, this was the same price as the Halante. I'm just saying. This one, obviously, extremely desirable, crazy low mileage, manual transmission, twin turbo V6, like the one to have. And you drove it to, this just felt, the way I described driving this car is it felt adult. Like, it felt grown up compared to, like, the other cars of its.

It's era. Buzzy, the EVOs and the STIs, which had their place, but this car was definitely more... It's just nice. It just drives great, sounds great. The shifter feels awesome. And I'm not at all surprised. I mean, perfect example, I'll find another one. It is an interesting thing, though, because for a long time, these have lagged behind their counterparts.

And this one, if this was a super out, would have sold for $200,000. However, it sold for big money. It sold for big money. And I'm really glad because the owner I helped with this car, like, so fastidious. Like they had the original tires, which are here. And they're wrapped up. He had boxes and every boxes in every subbox in it is labeled with what goes where and like all the stuff. Sold you at the Nissan dealer in Honolulu.

Yeah. I mean, it was, it just fastidiously kept them. Probably the nicest one of the nicest ones left in existence. Undoubtedly. So it sold for the correct number, real money. And we posted this and of course the comment, oh God, this car is ruined. You're ruining cars. They're getting so expensive.

I don't think, again, this is like the SDI last week. I don't think the Z-32 in general is getting too expensive. I think there's a lot of ones you can buy for real cheap. The next one's the next one. The next one was 41, and that car had 13,000 miles, although it was an automatic. But this car, though, I'm always supportive of the really special cars trading hands for big money and getting preserved. Someone should preserve a few dozen of these cars that we love. And I'm glad that that exists.

I totally am supportive of people modifying a lot of them and having fun and driving them or whatever. But there should be some out there that in 30 years when they're all gone that we can look back on and be like, That car I remember. For academic reasons, to look back at how it was. Yeah. I agree with that. And this car is clearly an example of that. Yeah.

I think the new owner is in Florida. It is a very, very, very special car, and I am really, really, I was really excited to drive it. I had never driven a Z-32 any distance before, and I was really impressed with how well it drove. My eyes, our eyes together were opened. Yeah, totally. Totally. To the point where you, I still think the Markforce cooler, better looking. However, a nice one of the...

If you gave me the keys and we're like, you're going to, you know, do a canyon run. Yep. And it's fast. It was fast. I was shocked and how quick at it. Yeah. Okay, we got to move on to the questions.

The questions which are brought to you by the gophers in Filippo's Field. We don't talk about those anymore. It's just Filippo Field, by the way. Filippo's like, these gofers. Now, you can ask us questions. You go to cars and bins.com. You click on the community tab. There will be a post there that says questions, questions, questions.

and you can ask us questions about any topic you want, including Ryan Lopez's air conditioning. We were a little light on questions this week, so please, people, I went through every single question. I went through every single question. There's 456 of them. And I only found eight acceptable. I'm very picky.

Well, half the questions are like, if you had this much money, what would you buy? And I just, I want to get, like, deeper than that. I want to feel more than that. Right. He wants a conversation. You want to feel like one of those gophers tunneling into. You know how they can tell far.

Okay. They fall all the way over to my place, it turns out from you. It's been a real problem. My house is a real problem. My house was. First question from Tommy Marshall. I want to get this out of the way quickly.

What, Doug, what happened to the racing sim setup from the Linus Tech Tips collapse? I'll tell you what happened. It's sitting right over there. And anybody who comes into our office does a lap or two. Sean figured out something. They're a leaderboard. I actually haven't done it yet. Who's fast?

But there's a leaderboard. And Sean is over here now trying to claim that he's fastest, but he's not. Because he's out there for hours and just, and it really was just him. He has, no, like, we haven't had any more experience. Nobody's, everyone else who's played on that thing has played it, like, done three laps. Sean has spent, like, full nights in here,

just sitting on the sim. And then, and then so he can pop up, like, his little, like one of Filippos, go for us. There you know. Who's fastest? Who's fastest, guys? One of our employees, team members, Johnny has a faster time on there.

Really? Is that true? Not anymore, apparently. Got him based on the same. Sean spent four full days going to the same. He took a holiday weekend. Sean, who's in my line of sight, shaking his head.

Johnny in the back is nodding. Yes, his time is faster. Okay. From next question, from Antonio SS-22, this is a great and very timely question because I've been thinking the same exact thing. Given the epic success General Motors has had with the C-8 Corvette, and you can't say it's been anything other than epic success, truthfully.

And now the Lamborghini hurricane has gone. Would it make sense from market perspective for Stalantis to bring back the Viper where the mid-engine V-10 is a halo car for their brand? You know, the Viper, its whole life, came and went. Yeah. There have been periods of time when a viper is for sale. Not, and then comes back, like the Z, honestly. Yeah.

And I drove that one, and I was just thinking that same thing. You know, Stalantus is trying to regain some credibility that was lost when they came out with the fake exhaust note, hatchback charger. Yeah, but they can't do that. I'll tell you why. Every viper shares something in common. It has a huge V10, naturally aspirated V10 engine and a manual transmission.

That would be hard to sell in today's market. Do you think so? I think it would be hard to build an NAV-10, and it has to have a main advantage. I will say, the last Viper kind of proved that maybe it needed to be the last Viper. They had refunded it. They had finally come out with, like, the right Viper for the audience. Like, it got made it more expensive, and no one bought it. And they couldn't get rid of that.

They couldn't get out of that experience fast enough. You know, you say this, but the extreme error cars are worth so much money now. In the end, it's actually, but I think that actually speaks to the problem with the Viper in general. they came out with this luxury car, and which are the ones that people actually want today? It's these ultra-crazy ones that actually sold in super small numbers, and you cannot justify creating the car just to make the extreme marijuana. With all of that said, this would be a good time to do it.

It would be. But if they do it with a V8, like, that's not a Vipering. I agree. I think, so you say it gains them credibility. If they messed with the recipe in any way, I think they instantly lose all of it. Yeah. I will also say that the Hellcat at Hellcat engine things gave a lot of credibility

from performance point. Yeah, but it's not a vibe. Golly. It's all gone. But you know, the other issue, if you look at their brands, most of their brands sell one or two vehicles at the moment. Yep.

And their brands are also their models. They don't have a unifying, like, what is the Salantis brand? Nobody knows. What is the Dodge brand? Nobody knows. There's not a unifying theme, and I don't think that sports is one of them. What are you going to say?

They hired 2,000 engineers to get rid of the one thing that unifies all the brands. Hey, we don't be smersers to Fiat brand in that way. Your side bills are falling off. Your center armrest was sharp. That predates the land to the French. I would argue that what unifies all their cars and their brands, they're all cool. I mean, the Pacifica may be aside. But like every Chrysler and Dodge, you are choosing to buy it,

knowing their reliability reputation, because you think it's cool. The RAM looks cool. The Wrangler you're doing because it's cool. I don't all of them. But then in Europe, the Opel, the Peugeot, the Citroen, the Fiat, those are just cars. But the problem is that they don't have a Viper. an opal version of the Viper. That would help.

And I think that if they took the Viper to Europe and needed a Pujo, the whole world would be in better shape. Yeah. Huh. It'd be nice, yeah, just a nice V-10 opal in Luxembourg. European regulations, they don't allow you to wash that car in your driveway on a Sunday. They don't allow you to fix it in your garage during the week, and they certainly wouldn't allow you to drive it down the street and make a noise.

I just don't think that, like, it fits any brand identity. That's true. I don't know. But I don't know. I'm getting back to this question, I would love it if they would, if the Viper would come back personally, but I just don't see it. I think the fifth gen is the last. Hard to imagine developing a V10 and all that stuff.

Yeah, exactly. Unless they could justify coming back, not with a V10 and a manual. They can't, I don't think they can. They had to, no, Corvette always was a front engine V8. But Corvette's entire brand personality was we want to be a supercar beer from America. That was never Vipers saying. Maybe it can be. How about the GTR?

Come back as a viper. Screw a V8, go for a V6. Make a Viper GTR. Really? But that car is sold to the same people who like Vipers. Well, you know what? If I want, maybe that's what we need to get the values of the vipers to go off. To bring a V6 back and ruin it all.

I don't know. Do you want the values to go off? No, he wants to buy one. I want to buy one. I'm going to buy one. Ride the wave. He wants to buy one first. Next question from bars and kids.

Hi, Doug. These days, you're only reviewing cars you have interest in personally or a combination of cars you know will do well. for the channel. Do you have the final say in what you will review or don't review? I have the only say.

I want to be clear here. Occasionally, Sean will send me a car and say, hey, I think this would do great. Hey, hey, this car, someone is a guy who really wants you to review this. I'm like, no, Sean. No.

You've seen these conversations. I've been the other side of it. Not happening, I'm sorry. They're fun to watch. You will take suggestions and if they fit the brand identity, you'll say yes. All the cars I review, this is the greatest thing that's happened.

I don't think the audience is fully understood just how wonderful this whole Cars and Bid's acquisition has been. Like, you are getting an unfiltered. If we were doing this podcast seven years ago, I'd be like, the Honda Prelude has many great merits. It is a little on the expenses. So I just did spidge. But it's also a wonderful car to drive,

and I suspect they'll have no trouble hitting their sales target. But now I'm here like the private is fast. And that also extends to the cars that I reviewed. Let me tell you something, okay? There is no situation on this planet in which five years ago, I could have gotten away with reviewing a Nissan Pathfinder, an original Nissan Pathfinder. What are some of the other?

Lexus RX-300, there was no chance that review. Yeah, I mean, some might say that five years ago, Doug, would is a little bit more. There was a time we needed to make money. Now we just have fun. We just have fun. It's what we do here. And it's great.

So the answer is, do I have a final say? Yeah. Yeah. I agree with the say of you have the only say. That's accurate. They've tried. They've tried. Sometimes I will not review a car that I want to review.

Just got his fight. Philippe will bring it to me. You should review this. Nope. I would have if you hadn't said anything about it. The truth comes out. Okay. Next question from Rider 7.

This is actually a question for Sean, but Sean's not miced up, so I'm going to answer it for him. I have a bad colored G-Wagon. No. I can't handle it. The question he can't handle. By brake lights may not work. We don't know.

We've heard the process of Doug creating the channel in cars and bids. What was the process of creating the podcast? Whose idea were the different segments and questions? Let me tell you about the podcast. We brought in Sean on a rainy day. Yeah. And he's like, you should have a podcast and it should be this. And we were like, all right, and that was that.

Don't you think that was kind of helpful? I don't recall doing anything. Pre-Shahn, we did some live shows that were like truly live. Which we still get asked about a lot. But it turns out that's a lot harder and not as interesting as doing a pre-recorded pod where you can add additional media where you can make it really an object. Or you could censor Nick? Important.

But that's what people want to see. Imagine Nick on a live show. Oh my God. I mean, we couldn't. We couldn't. We need a five second delay at least. The least. Just like.

And when he starts on a tangent, you just pull all the cords. You just sever them. Oops. And you get that, you know, technical issues thing. Right. All right. Sean came in, he created a set, he created a pond. It's the biggest automotive podcast.

We should give a round of a ball. We have some love for Sean. For Sean. As I recall, our process of getting Felipeo as talent, we were just like, will you do this with us? We're filming this today. You're here. He's like, all right, fine. And now he's a staple in our lives.

He's like corn. He's incentivized by the federal government? Can I get some of that corn money? No, you cannot. I have... No big corn for you. We have time for a couple more questions. Surprisingly.

Dear Doug, this is a great question from J.C.W. Nico, or Doug to Doug or any of the other side characters on the pod, they're referring to you there specifically. What is the tell-tale sign that you're getting tired of owning an interesting car? Is there a specific sign that will make you go, maybe it's time for something new,

is it time to sell? I will say, for me personally, I have this lucky thing where I go away in the summer and I don't really play with the cars. And if I'm not thinking about the car all summer, pretty much I saw the car on the fall. That's like, does that happen?

Any car? The RS2. That's right. The RIS 2, I was like, well, this is done. The Yellow Defender. Well, I had the A class, which was there on Nantucket. That's different. We knew.

Well, of course, we do. But I think that's a big one. If you're not, like, actively excited, that's the beginning of it time to. Yep, absolutely. Like, you know, I break up the example. It's like, I still, when I park my M. 5, I still get out, I look back at it every single time. And I've had that car for 10 years.

But there was a point my 3-5-5 It's like I had to pick which car I was going to go on a drive with my friends And I grabbed the keys to the other car And it was like, it's time to sell the car It's time to sell the Ferrari and so I did So yeah, I agree When you if you are if your gut is already telling you I'm not sure for like time to go

You haven't realized it but you probably I am to this day my three The three cars that I have that are really special I am excited about them every single time I look at them drive them think about them And set up yeah I agree to them Whichever couple cars don't fit in that criteria Well, the 993 is like more of a practical car.

The 993, I think I'll switch out for other stuff in the future. But I still really, that's a truck, man. That's a utility truck. Me and Sean use it to deliver the mail whenever there's a big storm, an inclined village. Me and Sean go up there with our respective G-waggons. You handling it, him not. And the thing, you however, you either drive, you other cell carpenters are you going to move, you drive it into the ground, or you're forced by our content team to then say,

because we filmed it and decided we were going to do it. It was the only situation. I've felt cars. Not really. You don't, you know the ability. You're very indecisive in this topic. No, I'm just, sometimes, I get to the GTI, I said it was a month ago. Yeah.

Still being actively driven. The GTI was going to go. I was done 5,000 miles since. The A-Barth lasted 18 months after you said you were going to sell that. The GTI has been at least six months after you said you were to sell that. He's a collector. Although yesterday, my wife said that she's tired of, she has to drive a bunch for work. She's tired of traffic in the GTI.

The manual. Honestly, it's fair. Yeah, I totally know. So is it going to go? No, because it's actually really useful to have a car. Have you thought about an ILX? No. At all?

Not even for yourself, but just in general? In general, no. I've thought about a lot of cars. I think the wagon is coming up maybe on some life cycle. But I can't think of anything I want more, and so I'm not going to sell it. May it make a suggestion? A newer wagon. A new wagon.

A rvian R2. You also need to have something that you want to replace with. You want a wagon for a really long trip. You need a newer wagon. You need a two-13. You only don't want it because I have it. If I didn't have it, you would absolutely have it today. You hate this idea that you're a budget, Doug, which you are.

But I love that idea. I'm just not that interested in it. I think it's great. And the 214 doesn't have third row. The 213 is better. I drove your car. 23 is so much. Of course it's better, yeah.

I'm not comfortable. It has car play without you having to install a Chinese unit in the thing, which you did. The prior owner did. Okay. Yeah, it doesn't work right now. Very well. It's true. You just like reconnect every time.

It's a real problem. I'm stunned at that. Okay. That's all fair. And I think those are reasonable reasons to sell a car. But you also need to want something else. Sort of. It needs to be something that you want that money for that garage space.

I've been expecting to come to the end of my journey with my M5 a long time ago. I thought, like, okay, I'm going to want something else. But it just hasn't happened yet. Maybe it does one day. But like the S-L did, the 355 did. It's like... For the wagon. The Viver will.

The wagon's not worth all that much anymore. has 125,000 miles that's been hit a couple times. It has some issues. It's an old, it's a 12-year-old car. What else do I want for that money? Nothing really. What would you do with the 8 grand? Hey, it's worth like 15.

Hey, is the Abarth gone? They drove it to Arizona? No, no, they shipped it to Vegas. Vegas. Vegas. It's there. Damn, driving around Vegas and in a barth. It will die out there.

Someone's going to shoot it with a 50 cow in the desert at some point. That would be great. I mean, that makes a great car. It's a great car. Yeah, yeah. I was tired of it, but it was a great car. Okay, next question from C-L-E-Y-E-C-E-C-E. Doug, with the CareerG-T

selling for almost $3 million more than a Ferrari F-40 at the same auction last weekend. Would you ever consider selling the CareerG-G-T to move into an F-40? We talk about CareerG-G-T-F-40 a lot here because I thought about getting an F-40 and chose the CareerG-G-T instead because I couldn't afford the F-40. You know, folks, one interesting thing.

The answer to the question is that particular CareerG-G-T was crazy money and I don't necessarily think they're equal. One interesting thing, though, that we haven't talked about that this question reminded me of, you know what car hasn't run up like every other car in the last six months

is the F40. F40 results have not been particularly strong. 5.23, this past, at a motor? For a zero-mile U.S. car. For a 92 later car. It was a euro, though.

Broad Arrow sold this week at Amelia a U.S. F40 with 8,000 miles for 3.8 million. Wow. That is what they sold That is what they were selling for five years ago. That is what they are selling for today. The car that RM sold in Miami had 800 miles on it.

So yes, it sold for $800 miles on it. That car would be $15 million. Well, one did. And that's what they're selling for. I have been surprised. F40 values, I think you could still to this day buy an F40 for two and a half. F40 values have not gone crazy like the other car. I think they just made a gazillion of them.

But they made a gazillion career GTs. In fact, the exact same number. Gt values have now doubled in a span where F40 values have done nothing. I have a theory. My theory is people drove the F40. I have a different theory. What is your theory, Kevin? My theory is that I have been watching the market very closely where things are shifting.

And it's clear that there is a shift away from the older cars. The blue-chip-like carbureated Enzo-era Ferraris have more or less plateaued. There was a world record Dino this past weekend. But I think the interest is more than the early 2000s Ferraris. I think that's like... Maybe. I think the F40 is the one. Very difficult to use, and there are a lot of them.

And so you're really just... Just the only real differentiating factor between them. Yes, you have the cat adjust and stuff, but it's mileage. That's like the really late... Your production of mileage. Maybe. But a 959 just sold, which is the exact same era as an F40, and honestly, way less cool.

A 959 just sold for 5.5. Which 959s and F40s were nowhere near the same plane until suddenly they are. And it's like, wait a second. What? I'm interested in it. I'm really surprised watching these F40 results come in, that F40 has not taken off either.

Now, it did take off quite a bit before, but it's interesting to me that there are not people sitting around saying F40 is a $10 million car, when F50 is, when F50 is, et cetera. There was a time when F40 looked like it was eclipsing F50. Well, yeah, again, I still bring that for those examples. I'll bring it back to production numbers, 349 F50s. Maybe, but Career at GT, when I bought my career GT, it was 65 to 75% back of that 40, and now it is not far off parity.

Well, again, I think part of the. reason that is is there is more interest in collecting those Porsches, the 959, the Carat Gt, and the 918. As their damn should be. As there should be. Except with the 918, which is like a Prius. Well, you got to have it to complete the set. The 288 is, you know, you agree. It's up to Prius.

Even a lot of ways. Yep. I don't know. I'm very interested. Ferraris are just so hot right now. I'm just very interested to see where things... Not the F40, except the F40 is literally hot. So maybe you should... When you drive it? Maybe you should buy an F40. I'm out. I'm not, I don't want any more cars that's value.

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