THIS CAR POD! with Doug DeMuro & Friends! - All New EV C-Class, New Lamborghini Spied, GM Stops Building EV Trucks And More! THIS CAR POD EP108

Episode Date: April 24, 2026

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Oh, and welcome to this car pod. I'm Kenan. I'm Philippa. I'm Doug. Let's start with the news. Oh, the big news is the new Mercedes-Benz C-Class, which looks a little droopy in the front. There's only the electric C-class, by the way. This is electric only.

They haven't announced a non-electric. The non-electric remains the same as it currently is. That came out recently announced. Yeah. The internet is incensed. Okay. It's not the most visually appealing vehicle from the front. It looks like a 280-se 3.5.

It's got a low grow. I don't really hate the front. The rear, I know everybody is a little bit more concerned. They were going for 1959 Mercedes-Benz W-11. Well, that isn't that what that is. That is exactly what it looks like. Yeah, that's the car was talking about. W-1-11, that's true.

If that's what they were going for, they hit it. Look, the nail it. Look at that thing. That's it, look at that. There's a low grill. Yeah, that's, sure. You don't see that in this? Go back to it.

You don't see the resemblance. Let me tell you something. This is the famous story about this car is that Ralph Lauren, when he was a young man at Justin, you know the story. Just in the business world, all he wanted to do in life was owned that W11, 280SC, and he worked and he worked and he sold ties out of his trunk and he bought himself. And in today's world, the Ralph Lauren of today wants an electric C class. Yeah.

So electricity class, it's their new generation of electric vehicles. The GLC electric has already been revealed. This is the sedan version of that. All the things you expect, 800 volt. infrastructure, we expect about 350 miles range. It'll come out in early 2027 is when it will be available for sale. The rear is controversial-ish, even though it looks just like the CLA EV rear, so we've seen that. The taillights seemed weird.

They're a little weird. It's C-class, just FYI. Although, you know, it will be the E-class, too. It will also be the E-class. They're fine. There's a little bit of Nissan skyline going on in here. Sure. But like the A, the CLA looks somewhat similar in the rear, too, with that, like, dark bar across.

The real news, though, if you go back to the slideshow, is the interior, which has many screens. So the top level option is this huge screen that goes across the gauge closer, the middle, and the passenger. Are we calling this a big news? All the Mercedes are like this now. This is a slightly new version of that. But there are, by the way, I want to be specific. There's three options. Yeah, I saw that.

One of them doesn't have the passenger screen, but has a display that's not a screen. It's not like touchable, but it's a display underneath the glass. Okay. has three standalone displays, and this one combines it all into one. This is how this is how these bends is, this is the world we live in now, dude. Pretty soon it'll be projected on into the windshield. It's a matter of time. It truly is a matter of time.

But heads up displays exist. Does anyone, yeah, but does anyone actually project like Mercedes has that, Mercedes has that virtual reality display, but it's in the, it's not on the wind show. No, it should be. But there's, well, there's been talk that like where you're, turn and stuff is going to start to be projected on the windshield. That's a thing, but like, imagine if there's no windshield at all. So, like, the Polestar 4, they got rid of a rear window.

Right? The Polestar 4 that you reviewed recently has no rear window. Why have a front window? This is, why have windows? This is Techboro. Here, I'm going to give you a tech wheel. Imagine a car, but it doesn't take you anywhere. Right, it's one of the eight-hour meetings he goes to.

This is Felipe. If Felipe was a Tech Bill in the Bay, he would say that, and then the guy's sitting around and would go, oh, man, yeah. And for a brief moment, when we first IPO, we'll be trillionaires, and then about a minute later, we'll be back to not big. Yeah. They've been touting in this release a lot of like S-class thing. So there's an air suspension available.

There's a bunch of things that are intended to make it as luxurious as an S-class. Which is kind of a encouraging. Let me tell you something. There's a fellow up my block who's got an I-4. Do you know that automobile? It's a BMW. I know all the automobiles. You know all the automobiles?

Did you know the mega-track? Do you know the Suzuki? AXOXX? All, I do actually know the Suzuki What is it? I don't remember now. But I know all the current automobiles. Can I pull up a picture of the Suzuki

and watch Felipe crumble with embarrassment? I'm trying to picture it. Crumble with embarrassment. The first thing you know when you look at it. You know why? Yeah, yeah, the R-F-4. Excuse me.

That's a Suzuki cross. It's not a R-FARC car. One interesting thing, by the way, there's a two-speed gearbox in the G-Cre class. In the Suzuki Cross, is it a three-pedal situation? No, I want to tell you about my neighbor's I-4. I got a neighbor that I-4. That is a damn good-looking car.

Yeah, also great Lysiel. It also drives quite well. It drives like a BMW. If I was buying a BS commuter car, I would probably buy an I-4. Wow. Truly. It's pretty luxurious. The hatchback opens.

It's got good cargo space. I mean, people like SUVs and I get that. But, like, that is a real. And so this is the rival to that. But it's not as good looking. But it will sell better because I-4 has not been. a sales smash. Not in the States.

But BMW is saying that their I-X-3 has been a massive sales success overseas. Yeah, the SUV thing changes things. A massive sales success overseas, they're getting more

orders. They've added shifts to the factory to build as much as they can. It's an interesting thing. I will say, credit to Mercedes, this is a notably more compelling product than their last set of EVs.

The updated infrastructure, they make their own batteries now. It is interesting, though, that they have... Their own motors, rather. It is interesting that they have gone with the similar styling,

which was so roundly criticized last time, and that's a bit of a pun. Still a little... Yeah. I like that pun. Yeah. How? Like, it's odd, right?

Because the thing I like about the I4 is that it just looks like a BMW. Yeah. Whereas this has... I mean, I like a good 280SE 3.5, but I don't think you're fooling it. I think what you will see is that all of their products will probably go to this design language, and then it won't be the roundy ones that are EVs. They will all just look a little mediocre. Which is a shame.

You agree this as an AI background. There's no way it's got Stuccar plates. This ain't Stuccar, I'll tell you that. No, it is not. Every building that looks like this and Stucar came down, if you want to mean. I would believe that it's not photographed there. That 4-1 does look kind of AI. It's too crazy.

It's too great. It's as fake as the sound that'll be piped through the speakers of the new C-Class. On to the next news story, please. But at least it will inspire the next Ralph Lerang. What is that C-class coming out? It will be for sale in early 2027. Early 27. Not a long wait, Kenon.

Mark your calendars. All right, move on to the seven series. New 7 series was announced, and by new I mean slight refresh. We are alone in this podcast, and by we, I mean, me and Kenan, I don't know about him, in liking the seven series. The rest of the world hates it and thinks it's the stupidest, ugliest, most awful, terrible thing in the world. I think it has the presence of big sedan deserves to have. And in this era, when you're seeing all the big sedans get canceled, the X-J, the RL, the AA.

It has presents. You kind of need to do something a little different. And it's clear they're leaning into that more. Like with the pinstripe that goes down the side, similar to another luxury brand that BMW owns? Two tone even, right? Yeah, and two tones. Yep.

They're really, they are really leading into, like, creating a look of presence. And I think this new one is intended to be a little bit more. It's not, it didn't look dramatically different to me when I saw it all come up today. Yeah, it's intended to bridge the gap to the new class styling. That's right. That's what it's supposed.

Have you seen the taillights? Now they had, they're like two lines. Oh, there's two lines. That's it. You know, I am so glad you called that out, Felipe. They go further in. The real news story, besides the tailings, which are remarkable.

It definitely looks interesting. Yeah. They really made an effort to style this car in a way that is notable. The A8 quietly whispered itself into... It just passed away in the night. It did. It really did. It passed away in its sleep.

Yeah. And BNW is saying if we're going to lean in to a full-sized sedan, we are not going to let that happen. And love it or hate it, this car, when you see it on the road, it does not just look like a 5-series. Yep. And the interiors were all the big news, actually. So there's a huge screen. The weird screen that existed before is even bigger now.

And I think you can take Zoom meetings from it. Yes, you can. There's a camera in the middle and you can split it into different views. They're like, you can have a bunch of different stuff together. I did a video of open in the Palm Springs. It was a big screen. This is a big screen. When I did a view of the old one in the Palm Springs there, it was so hot that I don't remember anything.

That sounds right. I do remember I drove my backseat. I drove my 4GT there and the BMW engineers were so excited to see a 4GT. They had never, they were all Germans. They'd never seen a 4GT before. They parked at the hotel. They all conglomerated around the 4GT. The part is so wide, so low, unbelievable.

They built a car like this. Oh, 5? What are they thinking? Other interior changes, they have, like, the new BMW display from the new class models that has, like, the cut edges. They have a passenger display. And then there's not a traditional gauge cluster. Just like a strip on top of the dash all the way across.

Folks, is this is our number two news story this week. It's going to be a slow news week podcast. You better hope the talk car segment pulls us out, people. I've got some Italian spice coming later. We'll get there. Okay. We'll get there. All right, give us our next situation.

Ooh, Ford Mustang, Dark Horse, SC. Yeah. So there's the Ford Mustang. You know that car? I do. And that comes in regular or electric SUV varieties. Right. Okay.

And then there's the GT, and then there's the Dark Horse. Yeah. And the regular Dark Horse has 500 horsepower, which is a significant amount of power. Yeah. It's more power than anything you've ever driven. Yeah. That's not true, but sure. I think it is.

The S, Dark Horse SC is out now. It's two letters, Felipe. Two letters. But it's... By the way, not Fulke-S-Sash. That was last week without Porsche. The new Dark Horse SC makes 795 horsepower on gasoline. Yep.

This isn't an electric BS cannon. That's real. That's crazy. Remember when the haircut came out? Of course. And 707 was like... And we thought that was the end. In all honesty.

For gas especially. Yeah, exactly for pump gas. but... 795. By the way. 795. It's supercharged. 660 pound feet of torque.

Do you understand what this is? Yeah, it's also a hand-built engine, which is kind of interesting. This is Ford throwing down. This is Ford saying, we owned the Nureberg ring because they had that GTD situation. We own muscle cars. The Camero isn't even being made, I don't think, but I lost trackable that. This thing has shown up and is pounding people. No matter what, can it be made.

ever buys, it will never be as fast as the Dark Horse SC unless he buys a Dark Horse SC. So, yeah, so this is the victory lap for the Mustang. This is them just saying Sure, I mean, the Dangerous thing, come on, take us on. The GCD, which is $327,000 has 20 more horsepower, just 20 more horsepower. Yeah, but that's, that's, it has a lot of other changes. It's supposed to Canada. I wrote in the GTD, I drove

one around the Palm Springs, actually, ironically there. It was so hot, I couldn't, can't remember anything, but what I do remember is that there is a window in the rear seat. You know how your car is back seats? Yeah. This car has a window. And in the window, you can see the suspension. That is cool.

So that's worth the extra money. Yeah. The SC, by the way, they announced a couple weeks ago that it's 1035 pre-tax predestination for a base SC. What did the GT-500 used to cost? Right around 80 grand. 80 grand. So this is like the successor of the GT-500.

The GT-500, though, never had 790. No, the Gt 500 had a mere 760. Yeah. But this really is like, this takes over. So we were all wondering why we're not getting Shelby cars. The answer is we have the Dark Horse instead. The regular Dark Horse, I guess, is the GT350 replacement. And this is like a, why are we not using Shelby's name anymore?

We don't know. For a brief moment, there was a proposal to rename the street in front of their headquarters, which is Shelby Way or something of that, to something else. There was like a proposal to have like Maverick Drive. I actually think it was Maverick Trail, because that's more fitting. Speaking of the Maverick, by the way, they've said they're not doing that. It's still Shelby Road. Speaking of the Maverick, I have a neighbor.

I have a neighbor there with a Maverick, you know. And boy, what a great car. I've had three friends in the last week. The last two days, out of the blue, text me and say, hey, what do you think of the Maverick? Why don't we all have Maverick? I know. It's hybrid, it's four-wheel drive, it's a pickup, it's a car, it's comfortable, it's haulable. We should.

It gets 40 miles per gallon. It costs $12,000. No, but it is a really appealing price. Some of that stuff's not true, but I'll tell you something. It's not that far off. The Slate and the Maverick. Okay, what's our next news story? This episode is brought to you by NordVPN.

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That's not really what happened. Nissan told people that the new exterior when it comes, which is years from now, The new exterior will have a starting price under 40,000 United States. Under 40,000. Now, if I'm an automaker and I'm thinking about making price predictions, I would wait until pretty soon before, because this has happened before. Remember when Rivian said what Rivians would cost?

And then, like, the day they released the Rivian tried to jack it up, and people were so mad they had to jack it back down. Yeah. And Tesla has happened before. I mean, it's happened a lot. Who knows what will happen? What if there's COVID, and there becomes a shortage of, yellow glowing LEDs.

They get really screwed. This and the Honda passport are screwed. Imagine no red tow hooks. Oh, no. I am so pumped for this extra. I am too. They've made clear, by the way, that there's going to be a pretty stripped out car

that has everything you need and nothing you don't. Yeah, that's what the old one was. They also wanted to say, we've lost our way a bit, putting a lot of technology in our cars for the sake of it, adding a lot of features. We're going to stop doing that. Well, I mean, that's odd to hear from Nissan,

because the last Nissan I had the backup camera was about three pixels. But I do like the idea of a back-to-bacers car, particularly when the forerner, I think, has left a little bit of a slot open in the market for something to come in sort of at the lower end, a little bit simpler, a little bit more basic, where the forerunner has now gone hybrid, the top trimmels of levels are $80,000. There is definitely an option here. Fourrunner starts at about 44, just a little bit more that.

It starts at 44. Yeah. Well, this will start below 40. Yeah. 39-999-9-9. Yeah. It was fine. Also, we should be clear, like, stripped-out cars at this point because of federal

mayonnaise and consumer preferences all have automatic emergency braking, all have backup cameras, all have some power features generally. Like, it's not a stripped-out car than the 90s. And you know what's annoying? Because you're on the trail. You know what I mean? And a rock is in front of you, and you're trying to go over the rock and then it automatic emergency breaks.

That is irritating. Never had that happen. I've run into that many a time. You're never on a trail with a car with A.E.B. I got a Sequoia. Well, you turn it off. I'm going to talk more about my... Most trail modes turn those off.

I don't participate in trail mode. I just get out there and raw dog it. Let's go. I don't switch modes. I don't even put it in four wheel. Wow. You're a real man. New X-Dera is a long way off.

Didn't they say 28? I believe so. I mean, in late 28. Late 28. Hey, we're only two and a half years away. Yeah. Great. Yeah.

But we know pricing. Unless inflation's really rampant. And then, who knows. This is the problem with car development cycles. It's laughable that they already know it's going to look like this, and it's going to take them two and a half years to come to market. How could that possibly be? It is silly.

It's a brand new platform, and unlike some manufacturers, they want to test it first. You're calling out Tesla? Let me tell you something about, yeah, you are. Let me tell you something about Tesla. You know how many cars Tesla is sold? So many. All of them. I was at the tennis club today, and there's a pickleball tournament going on.

And can you imagine how many boomers are driving Teslas to a pickleball tournament? Yes. It's like a, it's like all things, unbelievable. Was it all new model-wise? Yeah, it's all model-wise. I don't know if they're new. Well, this is California. A lot of the boomers have moved off Tesla out in California, but you get my point.

They've sold all the cars. Have they done the proper testing? No. Has it mattered? No. Nobody cares. True. It's, you know, it reminds me a lot of like the iPhone.

When the iPhone came out, it's like you pre-order on Friday, you get it the following week. It's like if you're going to tease something, then you have to be able to deliver on it right away. It's unbelievable to me that they feel they can tease this and then wait three years. They know that if they don't tease something, they may not exist by 2020. They just start the drip now. But it's too late. It's so silly. It's so silly.

Tesla will come out with a refresh and have it on the production line four weeks later. Yeah. And Nissan's two and a half years, it's already taken them 13 years to figure out that they need to be back in this market. They're going to wait another, they're going to see another two and a half years of sales to the forerunner. What happened? They listened to the podcast. They heard you say, hey, Nissan, you need to build this. And they were like, you're right.

But instead of hearing about that for the next two years and then revealing it, they thought they'd get better in Doug P.R. If they just announced it. I'm going to give you a new idea, Nissan. Come out with a stop gap Xtera. And here's how you do it. You take a frontier crew cab. You put a body on the back. And that's it.

And for two years, that can be our Xtera and we'll be fine with it. We don't care. It'll be a sucky car. No one cares. Come out with it and come out with it by June 1st. What's today? Today's April 22nd. If I was the fellow running Nissan now, this fellow, that's what I would do.

Maybe there's a reason you're not the fellow running Nissan. I promise you things would be going better if I was. I can't be going worse. Yeah. What's next? Oh, yeah. All right. So GM has announced that they're putting on hold and maybe just fully canceling their next.

generation of EVs. We're familiar with the Hummer EV and the Silverado EV, et cetera. Full size. Is this just SUV? Electric trucks, yeah. Trucks. You know, the bull has just came out. I read, okay, so the lightning was just canceled.

I read a news report in Bloomberg this week that 20% of cyber truck sales are to other Elon Musk companies. That's great. That's beautiful. Clearly there has not been super strong demand for this, but they were pretty deep in planning for the next gen of the Ultium platform. and the trucks, suppliers were building things, and they all got a notice saying,

you're going to just put this on hold. The full-size electric pickup segment that was so promising three years ago when we were all fighting to see what would come first, the R1T or the Hummer EV or the lightning or the cyber truck, that has completely gone dry, it has completely failed that no one is interested in any of them. Yep, pretty much. It's interesting.

So EVs in the U.S. are just increasingly dying. I will say market share ticked up in March. Gas was expensive. People bought EVs. But it was still lower market share than last March when they were incentives. In Europe, though, which fuels the fuel crises, the fuel crises as a result of Iran war, more strongly. They don't produce any real amount of gasoline. They have some real fuel concerns. Oil, but yeah.

Yes, they don't produce oil. They don't extract oil and also don't have very much gasoline production from that. Both are true. Their EV sales in March were up 50%. You're here. I was driving. I was thinking about this the other day. Someday we're all going to be in a situation in life.

We're all going to be in the nursing home. Me and Felipe will. Kenner will still be out there doing cleaning his M5. Yep. And we'll be thinking to ourselves, I can't believe there was a time when a soccer mom at soccer practice had little explosions happening in her engine.

It is so weird. However, in America, that time is still now. And holy crap, we are so behind on this. I'm telling you, we're all going to, China will take over the world because of this. All the people who are sitting here being like, America, we're like our gas engines, in 20 years, it's going to be such a shame. The market is moving in a really specific direction because a lot of people don't want that reliance on fossil fuels. And the U.S. is going to be so far behind.

Now, we're killing the full-size pickup truck. Okay. Maybe, but it would be nice if electric vehicles were adopted at every market. And better. And, like, actually competitive. And I really, really worried that the American. manufacturers will absolutely not be. I don't think Chrysler is work,

or Stalantis in the U.S. is working on U.S. market EVs outside of the charter. Well, Stalantis is a whole other thing. I don't think the GM is really working on much, except for the bolt, which theoretically will have a new generation, but will it? Who knows? Ford isn't working on that much that's competitive. Now, wait a minute. Ford in Cologne builds that little

Yeah. They also have the small pickup truck that's coming. It's supposed to be like a cheaper truck on a new EV platform. But nevertheless, like it really feels like they won't be competitive, and that will be a long-term mistake. I just go back to our conversation with RJ Gringe talking about that and like he's right. I think like if you

it's short-sighted to think that this isn't going to happen in the future. It's without question the way things are going. Like, and I just, I don't fully understand why American manufacturers are bearing their heads and saying. I guess the demand is isn't there right now. Because American manufacturers cannot sell in great numbers outside of America and Americans don't want it. And so, you know, that's the situation. So I, I, maybe the plan. The legacy American manufacturer.

I do wonder, right, like, fuel is relative, gas in the U.S. is relatively expensive, about $4 a gallon on average in March. You're thinking switching to EV. I wonder how many people are going to start thinking about that as they transition to their next car. May I suggest a BMW I4? It is a good thing you just got a pickup truck from 1973. It's really fuel efficient. You know what I passed on the Interstate Freeway here in my career DGT on the way in today?

I passed an IXM60. Wow. Yeah, they exist. And the Heels, the grill self-heels. The grill self-heels. Did we report on that car being canceled? I think last week we covered it. That's gone, folks.

If you wanted it on AX and you didn't, it's gone. However, I did pass an M60 on the Faraday. And I think I go between M60 sightings. Yeah, it's a V12. I think I go between M60 sightings the same length of time as I go between like F-355 on the road sightings. Don't you agree? Yeah, similar.

Because it's like a least steel car and that's like the most expensive one. But even I don't notice which I X trip on behind. You don't see that. big badge and think, wow, this dude cannot accelerate me? No, but that's true of all of that. I accident. All right. This is the situation. Move on to the next story.

Morty V's dying. Ah, yes. So this is a this is allegedly going to be the Lamborghini-Worvelto S.V. So these are some teaser shots who was spotted testing in Italy. And we can only assume that it's going to be. Now, Filippa, who speaks

Italian. You see, attention, machina villote, which means attention, fast car, which is hilarious. But some things to note with this This is the rear obviously, but they've added a wing Which is a typical SV thing They've been more aggressive air changes to the front

Yep We don't really have any other details outside of that We have some vague understanding of what it might look like The word is 1,200 horse Well, we'll see. That's definitely not confirmed I mean the word The normal car has a 6.5-liter V-12 with a thousand So you imagine a 200 horsepower is a lot

But I wouldn't be surprised if that bump is there But the word Dude, this is gonna be cool I know it is All the SV models are cool. Aventador, or whatever this is called, is so... Rivalto has so cool. No, I'm serious, it is.

It is so... I know. It is such a cool car. I know. So much more than SF90. Right, and the normal one is just astonishing. So I can't... This is going to be just blow everybody's mind.

Yeah. Even better. But I'm excited. I mean, it's always cool when an SV version comes out. What was your favorite SV Lambo? This is the Mercy SV, I think. Not the Kuntash? There was no Kuntash SV.

It was the only one that didn't have one. That's right. The Diablo SV is really good. But you know what they did give us on the Kuntash instead? The anniversary. Oh, yeah. That was a worthwhile trade-off. That hideous-looking thing, not Hiroshima's finest work.

Yeah, heinous thing. But no, well, the Mura SV is really good. No, I agree with you. The mercy is the course. But I think the mercy to me. It's super limited. It came out like peak recession. Like Bear Stearns was collapsing and Lambo was like,

we got a $600,000 car for you. Exactly. And, you know, man, that thing is just so cool. Filippa, you ever think about wanting one of these? No. No. It is cool, though. There's not a moment in your life when it hits you like, hey, this is cool.

No, I said it's cool. I said. There's not a moment where you're driving around in your bad wheel Targa and you're thinking, this could be me in this Lambo. I remember when we hosted one on cars a bit a couple years ago. It's so cool. Yeah, that is. We did host one.

Did you know that, Canada? I vaguely remember that car. We also had a... There you go. It was in Canada, I think. It was indeed. So cool. 700,000.

What are those cars worth about a million probably? Yeah, the tips are crazy. They're not that crazy, considering how low production it was. Right. Very cool. But nonetheless, this is what the next one will kind of look like. I think the camera is... I love that Lamborghini, like,

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I actually watched a video going through the interior talking about, like, all the little components. It's really cool. It's really cool. Yeah. But what's in the background, is this the interior of a helicopter flying over a village? So in the studio in which all of this is, there's a studio you go to, or Johnny Ive shows all of, like an Apple product studio, basically. Because it looks like we're driving a gondola.

Do you agree? Yeah. No, I think we're in a hot air balloon. We're in a Zeppelin. These are the control. But you go to 210 kilometers per hour. It's ironic because that's kind of how people feel about this car, you know? Like it's an electric B.

Anyway, what's the news? Which I have some thoughts on that, which I'll come back to in a second. But the announcement is the Bloomberg claims they got from an insider, a hint into the pricing of this car. Now, the car is going to come out next month in an event in a run. Roman, we'll find out for sure, but they're saying it's going to be about $650,000, which is starting, which is an awful lot for an EV. Even a Ferrari 650 is a lot. And you have to imagine what the options. Most of these are going to be three quarters of a million dollars. I mean, look, it's a hundred thousand pounds.

They have, for some reason they're quoting this in the UK. It's so much electric is so heavy. You think the revoltos heavy? We've been quoted. Wait for a luchet. Hold my beer. It's the 650 comes from 550,000 pounds. And in that same market, the proosongue,

is 450,000 pounds. So 100,000 pounds, $150,000, more than a poor songway. Yeah. That's a lot. If they attempt to sell an electric sports car at $650,000, I think even Ferrari has met its match. How do they not understand that the SF90 is already a terrible seller? What about the Pina-B-Batista?

Yeah, what's MSRP on that? Two and a half. Two and a half. And you know how those are selling that by about $2 million? Let me, let me calculate. You know how many those have sold? Zero. No one has bought one.

When you cut the price and third, you get closer. No. Not at the volume we're going to sell it. The Pina-Batista, I think they wanted to sell 100. At the volume, they're going to want to sell this thing you get close. The SF-90 gives you an insight into how customers want to be electric cars to be in their lives. And the answer is they don't, right? SF-90s are 650 stickers.

They are selling on the used market for half-price. You know, the one thing that is not talked about enough in Luca, with Luca de Montezemolo, our Lord and Savior, our Lord and Savior. Our Lord and Savior. Luke de Montezemolo. Is that in addition to doing a lot of beneficial things for Ferrari, he actually got supply and demand correct. And he's gone, and within only a few years, supply and demand is already going on the

bad side of private equity. Do you know what I'm saying? I do know. Just build more of them. It's going to work. Well, it isn't. And when we were kids, you couldn't get a, Ferrari, the resale market was high, the buyer market was high. It was like, it was annoying for

customers, but for the company and for the brand, it was great. Well, now the cars are depreciating. They have more cars than customers, and suddenly, obviously the brand hasn't eroded yet, but you come up with a $650,000 electric car, and you start to wonder if that starts to occur. I would not be surprised. And to be clear, like, I think, as far as the electric car stuff goes, I think the idea of restiling the interior and having someone do this stuff properly, who is an actually good engineer, and with great style, makes a lot of sense.

Ferrari interiors, we haven't changed that much since the 4-5-8. If we're honest, like, they really haven't changed. The full-screen thing showed up. The giant full-screen thing came up in the robot. Yeah, but it's still like the vent, it's still like very,

it's still a little bit derivative of its past. It hasn't been something like very, very new in a while. And I think this is like, I think all this stuff is really cool and feels nice and, like, is the quality of a show. I have no comment on the interior, couldn't care less, and very excited to see the car,

what it looks like, how it performs in the price point. And if it's six, 50 for an electric. I know. That's a hard pill to swell. A plaid can do zero to 60 and one, and we're selling them every day for 22. But then you're going for style, right? I think that it was the right decision to lean into, to Kenan's point, like a well-reputed

beloved designer to design the exterior and the interior. Had better look more beautiful than anything that's come out of Italy since the Sistine chapel was finished. I do wonder, so the SF-90 tried to combine a lot of things pretty early, right? tried to combine a hybrid and still having a gas engine and a new interior. And that was maybe too much. But I wonder about a full EV where you're attracting a different buyer base. You're right.

The problem with the SF90 is the gas power train. That's why it's not selling. It's the gas power train. I was going for the combination between them. But you're right. They combine too many things. Let's strip it down to the basics. Get rid of that pesky engine.

Yeah. Who is that? 9-11 STs are selling for six. 750. Do you know what car will never sell for 750 after it's initially sold to its first owner? Who, by the way, will be the dealer? The luchang. Probably. You're probably right. We'll see. We'll find out. But it might be beautiful. Many years ago, I got a Ferrari press car and it's never going to happen again.

But you know what? I love that 296. And you like the 12 cylinder? I love the 12 cylinder. I love, I'm glad you're saying it's the correct way. I took a lot of restraint. I love the 296. I love the Puro Sanway. I think it's Hane, but it drives amazing. It's got a V-12.

Yeah, and it just, the steering, it just feels so good. The SF-90 is an abomination. The SP3 changed our lives. It did. SP3 is my car of the year a couple years ago. It's usually like a Tesla. No, it deserves it. That car is very notable in our lives.

Wish it weren't called Daytona, but other than that is really cool. F-80 coming. You excited for that? You know, when we saw it in person in Monterey, I liked it a lot more than I thought I was going to. And I would be really curious, like, I'm really curious because I'm not going to get to drive them before you, but your thoughts about, I'm sure it's amazing. But, you know, we would rather have an SB3-D-Tena. You know what car I did really love was that SF90XX? Like, really love.

I was surprised that you liked that so much. So was I. I was going into it thinking, I got to do this. And then I came out of it like, well, I got to get one of those. Maybe it's because your expectations were so rock bottom low. No. I am not a person who likes raw cars in mentally, but then actually I really mostly do like raw cars.

Like I drove that 340 R and I was like, this is so cool. To be fair. It is. It is. It really is. And what I really want is a P1 GTR. If I had crazy money, I would do two things. I would never talk to him again.

Yep. And I'm saying this. I don't know why that's the thing that you can just stop talking to if you want it. No, we got entanglements. We got our wives. We got the business. That doesn't go away with money. No, no.

If I had crazy money, I would disentangle and be like, Philippe, you're gone. It'd be worth it at that point. Would you pay? Is you saying you'd pay him to stop speaking to him? No, I just. He says this a lot. I would just be like, Felipe, you're out.

I have so much money that you're out. If you see me in my P1GR, wave to me as I drive past. I would accept money to not engage. That's fine. So I'm going to consider. How much? Not much. So you know he will start bothering you more unless you pay him.

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Filippo. Are we on or off the Sequoia? I got to get out of this car. What happened? All right, me and Sean today are at a gas station filming God knows what. And a Sequoia TRD Pro rolls in. Nice. What color?

And it has a vanity plate. They all have vanity plates. So was yours. It was black. It was black. and it has a roof tent. Oh. And I'm like, and it's,

and the guy had changed out the Falcon Wild Pigs for Toyos. He had already uptired. And I'm like, oh, God. And it comes in and it's so, Br-D-N-E-U-R. Didn't you also uptire? Huh? Did it you also uptire?

No, I got O-Ease. I'm like, okay. And then he, and I said to Sean, he said, this guy's going to get out and be the most, like, tatted up, flat-brim hat, like, like, hardcore MAGA, bro. And he gets out, and he is literally wearing a shirt with an American flag on it,

that says freedom. And I'm like... God bless, brother. And I want to be clear on this podcast, we don't do politics, and I don't care about the Republicans. They can do as they wish. But the car is so far toward that.

It's the same reason why I don't want to drive a Honda clarity in the other direction. Too far the other way, yeah, yeah. I don't want to caution driver singing bumper sticker. Do you know what I mean? But at the same time, I don't want to be stereotyped

to the point where I'm getting out of my sequencer. Pro and I'm wearing a freedom shirt. Like, come on. Man, I know what I'm getting you for your birthday now. I got to get out of this car. So here's my plan. You're going to love this plan. I'm so excited. I'm still looking for an AMG, an old AMG stationway.

Rami is looking for me. Inbound Motorsports Rami. My heart and soul is Rami. He hasn't found one for me yet. We're still looking. Here's my plan. This is a Felipe style plan. I got to drive this Quaid on Antucket this year. It's been too late. It's too late in the season to make a change.

Sell it. I get back in middle August. Sell it instantly. Gone. You don't need a car for nine months. You don't need a car. I never use that car in the winter. Nine months, drive my station. Are we back on the LX 700H?

When it's time to go again, we buy an LX 700. For the record, this is exactly the plan that we laid out in October of last year. We're doing it. I found you one. You know what? I've been going on Auto Trader. They haven't depreciated. We were looking in January.

We should have bought. We were looking in January, and then the car mom did that thing where she showed that it's horrible with car seats. And I completely lost interest. I literally haven't checked prices until two days ago. They're the same. I do want you to be aware. It hasn't gotten better for car seats in that time. No, it hasn't, and it's not any cheaper, and it's still bad.

And I think that a lot of the ones that are selling used are probably getting exported, which is why I suspect that prices are not particularly going particularly lower. But I got to get out of the Sequoia. I really like this plan because I hate your Sequoia. Hate it. Really hate it. There's another one in the neighborhood that's just so embarrassed. Why is it so rumbling? It's just because,

like, can you tune that out? People want that. If I could tune that out and maybe swap the, I've been looking for a wheel option for, since I bought it. I send wheel options to the group. I know.

You do. God, do I know it? We've gotten all gotten tired of it. The camo and the gun lock. It's just like a nice. Thanks. That was unintentional. It's too much.

It's too much. I will not be sad on that hideous. massive thing disappears from our lives. We all agree the worst part is the giant Toyota on the... No, there's a lot of... That's bad. That's bad. Somehow that's the worst for me.

It's all of it. The thing that's so great, it's triple-locked. Okay. The first triple-locked Toyota since the 80s... I'm told you raw-dogged, though, so like, why do you need that? It's triple-locked, and you know what it doesn't do? Tell anybody.

You would have no clue what that car is. Whereas the Sequoia Tierty Pro, which is also exceptionally good off-road, just has to shout it to everybody. Like the MAGA Republican car that it is. You know what I mean? No, I mean, it is. And so I can't do it.

I have to move on. Well, thank goodness. Finally. We're going to not go down that road, don't worry. Eventually, maybe they'll actually have the trend packages you want, though. I only want an L-S-7-A-1. I was next to a Z-71 Suburban yesterday. Like, a new post-A-Suf.

They don't have Supercruise. Yeah, I know. The Suburban still doesn't have Supercruises Z-71. You have to choose between the two. The Yukon, you can get an AT-4 and Super Cruise. There you go. I want a car that lasts because I will own it for two to two and a half years. Hey, Toyota, if you want to make a more, a triple-locked Sienna, you got a buyer.

Oh, my God. If I could buy a triple-locked Sienna, I am not screwing with you. I would buy it tomorrow. But my plan is sell the thing in the fall, drive my new station wagon that Rami will find me until the spring. and then by then, this is a year from now, you've got to assume that LX overtrail values have gotten into like 94, 94. Yeah, down from 97, yep.

Well, that's not nothing. I know in your world, $4,000 is meaningless, but to people like me and Kenan... Well, your Sequoia would depreciate notably a lot. It doesn't matter. The Sequoia, I think, though... It's nine months of depreciation.

I don't have to suffer in the Sequoia, and I can benefit from in the LX. Yeah, yeah. We're going to do this. You're committed, though, that in March, we've got a fine in LX Overtrail. Oh, that year, yeah, you bet. I depend on whether you pay me to not talk to you or not.

We'll see what happens. Got a year. Okay, that's my talk cars. Felipe, we've got a few. I'm a little nervous about some of them, but go ahead. All right, I'm going to start on a personal note here. We've been talking a lot about 9-11s. We've become a Porsche podcast.

You won't stop talking about it. Not the terrorist attack. The sports car. Not that awful, Jack. Go ahead. The Porsche 9-9-11. I could talk about how it drove with LA twice in the last week, but my wife has told me that we talk too much about Porsches on this podcast.

And that people may have forgotten that I'm not really that guy. I'm not into expensive cars generally. Okay. And so she told me a couple nights ago that I should buy a sob. Pull-up sobs. Oh. That I should buy a cheap sob. Now, little does she know that I've been looking at them on Facebook Marketplace a lot.

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You're among fans. For all 12 years I've known you, you've been looking for cheap socks on Facebook Marketplace. I know. So any day now. Any day now. I should have bought that 900 turbo. I know.

Oh, my God. What were you doing? Was that local? To be fair, it's local. It was. Two years ago. Yeah, but Felipe, what are you? What am I?

I should buy that. This would have been so cool. Where was this? It's got California place on. It's somewhere in California. Oh, my God, it's in the bay. They're all going to be in the bay. They're all going to be in the bay.

They're all going to be in the West. I don't think that realistically we can have five cars for two adults. That's a little much, even for me. Filippo's like one of these Michael Fuchs type people. Have you figured this out? He can't sell anything. He like can't get motivated to sell a car. Cars have purpose in our right.

Michael Fuchs stuff seems... Five? Well, no, we're only at four. That's why I can't out of five. You have four cars. You're two drivers and you have seven. Three of the car. Yeah, but Felipe, three of the cars are hatchbacks. And the pickup truck has rod and tires can't use.

I don't understand. What does the Volkswagen GTI do that the Mercedes station wagon doesn't? The GTI is going to go away. Oh, yeah, but we've been hearing that. Because the issue is that every week, that car gets driven a few hundred miles up to Riverside and back or wherever my wife has work travel. But if you had the Mercedes station wagon for that. She would take that, yeah. Okay, so.

No, no, the GC has going away. It just is. It's like, in my mind, it's gone. Well, it's still, it's not. But in reality, is that it's still here. Yeah, but it's going to be gone soon. But then maybe, maybe we'll go back to four. In my mind, it's already gone.

Is it in your mind that money's in your bank account? I got 14 cars, but in my mind, 12 of them don't exist. So, really, I'm down to two. It's like some Nickroshaun level. That was. That was tough. That was tough. But, so maybe there'll be a sob in my future.

Or a Volvo. I can go either way. T5R. Get an 850 T5R. I would be cool. If you get an 850 T5R wagon, I only buy stick cars. You can swap a stick in two seconds. No, I don't.

Literally, me and Kenan with two cold ones, could do it in a couple hours. He would even be back in time for dinner with Emily. I don't want that. I would consider a lot of, like, bad 80s, 90s cars. Pull out back up. No, no, that's a good 80s, 90s car. I've never been an 850 fan, unfortunately. I put 40,000 miles on one of these.

and I've never been in a fan of that 850 either actually What do you like? What volvos do you like? Love the next gen. I do like it and the prior gen. Yeah, I do love a nice S-70 and V-70. What's the difference between that's 70 and 850?

No, no, the, well, they're becoming a little more rounded and I do like it more post-stall. I do like this more, but it's too new. This is like that. It's too new, 1990. If I'm going old, I'm going to go 80s-90s. So volvos are out. Well, no, I'd just.

I do love a nice 240. A 240? If you get a 240 wagon, in addition to your Mercedes wagon and your GTI? I know. I know. No, the GTI will be gone. Oh, yeah, yeah. The GTA's gone. I forgot.

That S.B. That 900 SPG, I think I did bid on, but it was sold by the Peterson and it had, had been running. There was some issue with it, but I think I did bid. The fact that you didn't buy this car with three spokes. I know. I could have bought. Okay. Sob 900.

It is. This is so huge. This is so huge. Original sob 900. This thing. An OG 900. but not an OG 900. Do you know what I mean?

Right. Yeah. To be clear, that is the OG 900, but it's okay. What's the next one? The NG 900. What's the last one? The OG 93 and then the NG 900. Okay, got it.

Yeah, yeah. All right, two other quick things I want to talk about that are events related, because I feel like I've got to shout them out. Yeah, I will be at both of them. In early May, I will be no other one. I will not be a Wagon Fass for sure, but I will be at a Carson Coffee that we're doing at Tyrek headquarters, in South Bend, Indiana, alongside the American Brang Team Association and One LAP of America.

I've driven past it before. Have you? I have. They have quite a large parking lot. So, one lap of America participants, that's the ending of it, are going to be doing laps at the Tyraq thing. You know, word. Headquarters, yeah. But then we're going to be doing Cars and Coffee that morning.

If you want to come in the community page, we have a post where you can submit your car. I'm going to personally review them and send some personalized invites to the car. The second point, Felipe will be on the ground, not in the air, hanging out, talking about cars. I want to be clear. You have to go to the community post, enter your, put your car there, because I'm going to review all of them and invite the people that I think have the coolest cars. Folks, this is that I think have the coolest car. Not that Doug thinks has the coolest car that I think have the coolest car. This is the tire rack headquarters off Vorden Parkway out there in South Bend.

We'll have about half of their main parking lot. If you are nice to Felipe, he will take you over to the pilot travel center off off of. A brick road in South Bend there, and he will buy you a hot dog. I make no such commitment. If you are nice to Felipeo, he'll take you, he may even take you to Chivo's Pizza, which is on Ameritech Drive in South Bend, across the street from the pilot. Something could be good. I'll tell you this, if this cars and coffee goes well,

and Felipe ends up happy and maybe you've seen a couple of sobs, everybody goes to Chivo's pizza on Felipe at the end of the event. How about this? I'll bring the people pizza. Unfortunately, the event ends at like 11 a.m. A little early. That's why you go over to Cheebos, dude. That's your right at lunchtime.

Chevos opens at 11. Boom. Made in heaven. Unfortunately, it doesn't open until 3 on Saturdays. Chevos doesn't do lunch on the weekend. What a shame. The other event is we will be at the Velocity Invitational. We're going to be bringing a bunch of really exciting cars,

including an Alpha Romeo TZ that's over there that changed Doug's life. Change my life. A bunch of the cars, all the cars that we bring will be up for auction so you can come to the event and check them out. Are you going to this? I'm not going to this. Why not? Which is sad. Shame.

I don't know. I was talking to Grant & Works, it's like, I was thinking I'm like, This is a real event. I know. Have you been to Sonoma? I have not. You should go to this. You think so?

Yeah. It's going to be a truly cool event. This is like car heaven in May instead of in August for, you should go out there. It's so close. It's like vintage racing. It's all the full stuff. It's all the full stuff. It's all easy flight.

Six, seven. Oh, Lord. No. But regress, we'll be up there. Check out the carsabits.com slash events to buy tickets with a discount. Or if you have a car, we have a couple more slots. literally a couple of loss for cool cars. If I live in the South Bend thing at Tyrake,

is there tickets for that? Yes, you have to go to community page, and I will invite you if you are worthy. Wow. Okay, the velocity thing you need to buy tickets for. You need to actually buy tickets. There's a discount code at the events page. Okay.

Now, what if... A lot of good events. What if you live in Fort Wayne? Well, you're used to driving to get to good things. Okay, Kenner, you got some talk cars for us? Yes, I have a couple of talk cars things. So right now, so we're filming this on Wednesday. By the time this airs, this will be over it.

But my friend's box story listing has been going on. Yeah, is it $19,000. It was at $19,000 when we started filming this podcast. Yeah, it's really been moving along. But, I mean, it's an unbelievably nice example. And my friend Brian has done just an incredible job documenting it. And like, I genuinely mean this. Like, I'm not just saying because I'm helping represent it,

but like, if I didn't want a viper, I probably would have bought this and then I would have just won up to you. I would have been very happy to pull up a one year and your 9-11. careful with your language choice. It is pretty common to be deciding between a 9-8-6 box dress and a viper, and so I understand... I fall in love with nice examples of things. When I say something that's nice and cared for, I just love that story about.

That's why you love my wagon? Do you... Yeah. Yeah. It's just... Do you fall in love with nice examples of things? Yeah, of course. Because if so...

Where's this going? I don't know. I'm really worried. Right now, over on the cars and bids there, can you pull up, go to the cars and bids, and type in classic. Just the word classic. Because right now we have live that.

It's a nice... Click on that. Yes. We have live right now. This is a 4,500-mile example of the Toyota Classic. Yes. Now, Ken and you have previously told us

that you like nice things. I say fall in love with nice things and my heart is only so large. This is so cool. It's on a high-lux platform. I think it's actually pretty cool. The best part about it to me is that Toyota logo.

Like a Mercedes logo on the front, just sticking up proud on the hood. Did I tell the story of this car on this podcast? No. The history of this car? No. All right, Toyota. I'm sorry to interrupt the box.

I will come back. Toyota, we all know Toyota. They manufacture a lot of great cars and also my Republican SUV. And not Republican, mega-Republican. Someone say, a lot of great cars. So,

Toyota had become a car company in whatever year, 19, 20, whatever. And they're coming up. on their 75th or their 100th or whatever birthday. 60. And they're, you know this story? No, but I'm reading 60. And they're like, they're like, we really want to find a good example for our birthday of

the very first car that we ever made. Do you know the story? They want to find a very, a good example of the first car they ever made. It was this Toyota and it looked like a Chrysler Airflow, similar to this, and they made it like a 200 of them total in the whole world. And they were like, let's find a good example of the car. Yep, the model A.A. off the model, the AA, that's what it was called. Let's show we can show this car off at our birthday

celebrations. So they start looking and looking and looking. Two years later, they never found an example of their first car. Wow, not one survive. So what they decided to do was using as many photos and documents as they could find, they recreated, and this isn't it, this was a modern homage to the car. But they recreated one example that was really perfect of a model AA. and then the birthday happened, came and went, and then they found one in a barn in Russia. And

type it in, the only one that's photographed is going to be the ugly one that shows up from the barn. Yeah. There it is. The car had been mounted on a different frame and used different wheels, but the body, this was agreed

by all parties to be a Toyota Model AA, the only surviving Toyota Model AA. And the Russians who found it in their barn sold it for hundreds of thousands of dollars to, I think the Toyota distributor in the Netherlands, and it's in a museum, I think, in the Netherlands or Belgium or something like that. But after many years of searching, Toyota couldn't find their first car only for it to turn up later in a barn in Russia. No one knows how, no one knows why. Anyway, this is intended to be a modern day kind of take on. I actually saw one of these when I was. in Tokyo many years ago. Built by Toyota TechnoCraft. What is your... So you like nice examples.

Here you go. Yeah, I'm good. It's on a Hylux chassis? What motor's in it? A 2-liter 4-cellar. It looks like pretty weak tires, too. But if it's on a Hylix chassis, you know what you could do. You could do real things.

Yeah, Ron Dog it on the O-Tai truck trail. Anyway, Kenan, the Boxster's up. Yeah, the Boxer's up, and is performing quite well. But I also have... So I have another friend who wanted me to help himself his car. It's coming out, like... A very quick and quick succession. So this is my friend's car, so this is a very different car.

I don't think people are crossing the two of these. And I've been working on this for like a week or so, so the timing is like just kind of what it is. But this is a Ferrari, California, T, but specifically it's a 70th anniversary model. Do you remember these cars? No. So to celebrate their birthday, the 70th birthday, Ferrari decided they wanted to create an homage to 70 iconic liveries from their past,

you know, very famous color combinations. And they decided to build one of each model in the range using that color combination. So there were five models. It was the GTC 4Luso, the 48A GTP, the Spider, the F12, and the California T. And so they built 350 of these cars, and technically each of them is a one-of-one, because they would do one example of each one where we can go now. So this is the Cali-270s of this color way, whatever it was trying to pay homage. Yes, the 206 Dino, Confistina, the one that Glicken House has.

Oh, yeah. Because this has the blue carpets and all that stuff. And what's interesting is, like, if you bought one of these cars from Ferrari, my friend bought this car brand new, actually bought two of them. this one in a different California team, a different livery. But when you bought them, you didn't option the car. Ferrari did all of it. They specced all of it through their tailor-made program,

which is like their Sunder-Wunsch, like the equivalent. It's on the tailor-made badge. Yeah, so the, this is the, just like a video too. But yeah, the tailor-made badge says, like, exactly which car it's inspired by, it says one-of-one, which Ferrari, you know, kind of plays a little fast-and-loose with production numbers, but, like, they actually call it out a one-of-one.

No, this one, these definitely are a one-on-one. But what's fascinating is the market values, it at an unbelievably high rate because when you think about it, there are no collectible version of the California T. The F12 has the TDF, but like the GTC4 Luso, there was nothing like that. So this car's only got 1500 miles.

150s 500 miles, classic case certification, which for a new Ferrari, I realized, was like, you know, I mean, it was new, but like, even so, they go underneath that there are pictures of the transmission numbers and all this stuff. And it's just like an amazing car. So I'm trying to... Also, one last thing about this.

Well, my friend went to Italy, to the factory. He went to the tailor-made division to check things out, and they went and pulled the files on his car so you could see it. The level of detail they go into, I didn't realize. They have the gauge of the thread

that was used for the stitching, how wide everything has to be. This particular color, which is Jalo Triple Strada, which is used on other Ferraris. They have five internal shades they don't tell people about, they just kind of pick them.

They picked the shade for this car, and they have the exact pink mixture that's required for it. So if it needs anything ever, Ferrari has all this information, which I had no idea that went to that. I mean, it looks amazing that color. If you click through and listen, yeah, this is obviously a really cool picture. But if you click through the extrad pictures of the car like we're taken outside, it just goes,

wow. Yeah. So I did a video on this car. It's at Florida of San Antonio, and that's where you have it stored right now. You're agreeing to present my wagon for me, right? Your what? You want help with your wagon? I'm going to be honest about every flaw.

This car has 50 miles and I only found two flaws on it. Your car, I'm going to find some stuff. Kenan is presenting cars. Kenan is great at this. We got the Baxter. We have his own cars he's had been successful with. He's got this California team. I can't break that record.

Again, a couple people reached out and like, I do love doing this. It is really fun. And I just want, I truly genuinely just want to help these, like, good cars find good hums. And I believe in our platform to do it, and I'm happy to do this stuff.

Boom, take that. What's you doing? On that subject, I want to move on to the market report. I want to talk about our platform. The market report is brought to you by cars and friends, our second podcast. If you like cars and bids, but you want friends,

go to cars and friends. It comes out every Monday on the cars and bids. You do you think it should be... And on Spotify podcasts. Who are the friends? It's usually me, Ken and Ryan, Nick. Ryan Lopez is part of it? Usually.

Sometimes, yeah. Folks, if you tune in this week, Ryan Lopez will tell you the story about how he crashed to Mark 4 Supra. It's going to be great stuff. He was so hot from not having his air conditioning fiction. They just lost control.

None of this happened, think of it. I want to talk about 991s. I removed that from my list because I felt like we talked about 9-1 too much. And I actually wonder if we had, there's this short going around that blew up that we were like, 991s are going to be the 993 of the modern era. You said that.

I agree with that. You said that because I don't agree with that. I don't agree with it. I said the 997. It's the modern. The market agrees with me. No, 97. I don't agree with that.

Dude, 97 are hot. 991 sticks are 85. I know. It's in. Well, we sold a couple. The market is... Look at this. It was a 20,000-mile S for that sold for 74.

Do you know what a 20,000-mile 991S with... It's also a 7-year-old. This is a base. These are base cars. I know. The one with 57,000 miles. This car with 57,000 miles sold for 80 plus. The one we sold today was a tip.

And it sold for 79. I know. The market is... Philippa. 9-9-9-7 drop more. 9-9-1s up. Up more relative, but 9-9-1s never went down. It is wild to me what this market looks like.

I know. I can't believe the number one. I do suspect there aren't that many 991.2 sales that I find interesting because they're mostly PDK. I wonder, though, whether they're lower because those are the turbocharged 3-liter instead of the prior 5x. Regardless, the 991.1, the market is absolutely treating it like it's the end of an era. Yeah, because I predict it is. It is. The dot-2s are not that much lower, Philippa.

Yeah, but they're way newer. They're new. They're new. Way newer. And they are not crazy money. 991.1.1s that are like base model cars with mid miles, especially with sticks, are selling for like crazy money. I agree.

Sean desperately wanted the big wheel brown one, and he got so beaten out that he's still crying about it. And then this one, the black one sold for even more with even more miles. Yeah. And I thought just recently we were talking about how 991 serves coming finally. I said he got on a podcast three weeks ago when that was true for the results on cars and friends.

and then somehow they're ticking back up. Because you talked about it. The commentaries are right. We overhyped it and now they're going up and by the way. Convertible PDK, by the way, are an exception. So if you want a 991, corporal PDK, you can get a good value. The cheat code with all 9-11s is the cab. If you want a good value, you get the cab.

They're always so much cheaper. I would love, I still would love a 991.1 tip as like a daily. Buy a tip cabriolet. They're 50 grand. It's not going to go down at all. I can't imagine going down more than that. It's NA. Well, but you should consider it, truly.

By the way, you know what car was cheap? Go to pull up, press up, press up, press up, press up, DB11. Oh, I saw that result. Yeah. Yeah. So this car had a salvage title and so it didn't sell. The colors are for those of us who are.

Bad colors. But 51.5. Now, it didn't sell. Okay. But the market views a salvage title DB 11 with only 10,000 miles to be worth 50. They're right. I'm sitting here looking at 991s with 60,000 miles selling for 80. And by the way, this is true over on Bring the trailer also.

It's all the 991 market's crazy. DB11s, you want a bargain, you go pick up a DB11. Well, no, that that the one this one was it, but is this one that's over 80 is not a V12. Yeah. But can I, along that train of thought, can I talk about a V12 as to? Oh. So I think that I said on the cars and the buds. Yeah.

That I think that V12 Aston's, I think Ashton's, I think Ashton's, I think Asans is, in general undervalue, I still cannot believe that these vantage assets are so cheap for what they are. I think all Aston Martin's offer unbelievable value and incredible performance. It's 100 grand, yeah. But a manual one is more than double that. I know this is an automatic, but like, huge, giant 560s.

You just think 100 for a 9,000 amount tip? That feels right to me. It seems about right where I would, is expected to be. It feels a little more than I would personally say. I think that it's such a special number is really impressive. Why did that car sell so cheap? Was it a high mileage? A lot of miles. I think it had tons of miles.

I was on. Yeah. But even so, like, I would happily buy this car. I just think Aston's, like, in general, I really offer an incredible experience. I agree with that. Not, I mean, it's a lot of mind. A V-12 in a car this size is pretty legit. That's unbelievable.

565 horsepower is pretty cool. Yeah. That was a stick for 85. That was a... That was cool. And it was not an S's are like $250,000 cars. You want to talk about the R S2? Pull it up.

No, I actually... Really want to talk about the Kurola XRS. Pull up the RIS2 first. No, no, good. Go to the RS2 first. So, I'll accept it. I want to tell you a story about the RS2. Anybody who's not selling wagons on Cars and Bids is insane.

This RS2 went over on the Bring the trailer and sold for an R&M for a fraction of its actual worth, if we're being honest, and came over to the cars and the bids and sold for all the money that it absolutely deserved because it's cool as hell. Cars and Bids is so clearly the wagon place. Yep. And it's just true. And this car proves it. $7.75. 53% more than the prior result over.

over on the trailer place. This car is, I still think it's cool, and it still uses Porsche mirrors. And wheels. And wheels. And wheels and turn signals and a lot of other stuff. It's so a cool car. And if only...

I realize when thinking about this car that I don't. You don't want much. But I did like yours a lot. You want the Coral XRS. I do. Okay, we have a Coral XRS. You know what this car is... The one that's live.

No. We've got to... Okay. For a brief period, I think there may have actually been two generations. Toyota took the... the four-cylinder engine that was in the Lotus Elise and other Toyotas, like the Matrix XRS and the Vibe GT, and they put it in a Corolla.

And from the outside, it basically can't be told apart. There's a couple ways that guys like me and Felipe can tell. How? Is it the bumper? It had its own wheels. The bumpers were a little different. It had a spoiler, minor, though, because the regular Corolla S also had this stuff. It was just a little different. The spoiler was a little worse than this.

Yeah, yeah. It's such a cool car. This has got to be the nicest, single, nicest one in existence. You've got to assume dynamically it's not that great. Who cares? I know, because that power, I had that power train in the least. It is so good. It looks good.

I don't like this, I don't like this, Hershey carola very much, but somehow. Really? This isn't your favorite Gen Carolla? No, my wife's your favorite Gen. For a bit. What's your favorite Gen Carolla? This is my favorite. O3 to 08.

The one before it. Really? There was also Chevy Prism, yeah. That was such a mediocre car. It was a better car, I think. That's the kind of car. Rockously mediocre. But that's the kind of car he wants is raucously mediocre.

The current corolla is pretty damn good. It's a good car. Is this your favorite carol? No. The current corolla with the hybrid is hard to argue against, to be honest. It's a damn good. Here's a fun fact. This is, sorry.

No, please. This is the kind of crime I love that's been like well kept. Like this. Well, Kenan. This is beautiful. This has 21,000 miles. It's got the manual. It's got the 2ZZ.

It's unmodified. It's in Arizona. You have never owned a Japanese car. This motor in the Elise was so good. You'd be on it. and it'd be going fast, and then the, it kicks in at this, like, super-hardt, the variable laptop thing kicks in with this super-high-rev,

and then it goes even faster, and it was like, now, granted, this is front wheel drive, has four doors as heavier in it. It also has dynamic, is the least, but the heart beats the same. Let me make a suggestion, though. You could convert it to mid-engine rear-wheel drive. It's already been done.

It's got to be possible. Just a couple of cold ones. Underneath the rear seats, obviously. Hey, dude, they did it. MR2 also. Yep. This is so, truly this is so cool.

Here's a fun fact. I drove a Corolla S of this gen automatic to your wedding. Oh, how beautiful. Fun fact. Wow. But this is a cool, cool car.

I've always found this car cool. I agree with you. Never see him. Oh, this has a reserve. I was going to say you should bid on it. I would, except for the fact that it has a reserve. Yep, that's the one that's the thing's happening.

No, but it's so cool. This is well kept. The El Monte thing is a nice touch. Go bid on this Corla XRS. It's so nice. You're Z3. I agree with you completely. Pull that.

I don't understand it. I don't understand it. So when Porsche has come up in unusual colors, they sell for, salient-my-goffin-gloffin-grey, I've never seen anything like this color before. Exactly. It comes to market. Rindless goes absolutely insane, and people lose their minds.

BMW Z-3 is not the same. Now, this color is evergreen. This is on the Z-3M is often on that car. You know this color? It's nuts. There are even nuts. There are. There are.

This one is out. Look at the interior. That's the real thing. So it's green on green, which is outrageous. And if there were 9-6-4 in this color combination. Oh, in 2x. 2x, the value of a regular car. Easy.

993 would absolutely defuniform. It had no premium. It had no premium. It had no premium. It had 30% premium over a regular color. What do you mean? I mean, look, this one is red. That has half a 10 miles and isn't, doesn't have a clerical.

I will also say this one is in Maine, which always said, 56,000 miles shown. There's a clerical error, but, you know, you can. The 56,000 miles shown, this one had a lot of miles. These are reliable. They are. They are. That's 52. It's like an $18,000 and $21,000 range there.

Nonetheless, I completely agree with him that this does not add. I remember the Boxter. Remember the Bokster. Well, that's 78,000 miles on this one. Yeah, but it's about the same. Good color to special color is a 30% difference. Oh, okay, Mr. Percentage. It is a negligible difference.

What did this sell for? 1720. How many miles were on this? This one had 78,000 miles. So about the same. 56. And also 17 to 21 is not 30%. It's not even close. What do you find? I was adding a grand

on top of rounding. Money is nothing to Felipe. He was wrong about the mileage and the price. He's doing great. It's like 26% of rounds. I think my point stands. I mean, we sold another one. I mean, this one down here. I don't disagree with that. Hey, what's that heinous color? You know the one I'm talking about? The tanish one? No, it was like a pistachio.

Is that it? It was absolutely. absolutely decrepitly terrible. We've sold one that color, I swear. Remember that military green, or that was on the Z4? Wow, that evergreen ones failed to sell a 23 grand with no miles. All right, maybe there is no premium at all. There's no premium ones. They don't care.

And I think it's a color. They're all colors, you know. All the good Zs are silver. A lot of them are silver. A lot of them are silver. Or red. Or red. Remember when we sold that 986 Boxer, pre-Boxter hype that was Nephrite green and whatever?

With the same interior. That also didn't have a solid. strong premium. No. People for these cars, these are cheap and disposable. Like, you want the one you want.

It's going to be a little bit more demand. We have auctioned 263 Z3s. If you just type in Z3. Z3. Wow. Z3s are interesting to me because they were all kept as second cars. So it's very easy to find them with no miles. They very rarely have miles.

Actually, this is a great one to buy. The three-liter. Also, they don't weigh much at all. Yeah. So even if you just get the three-liter, not the M-54, M-54. is a very reliable motor.

Yep. Had one. This is a really great car. They are dynamically actually pretty good. The difference was yours was in an SUV that it could barely move out of its way. This is a little sports car. The motor was reliable. The motor, after I fixed it was reliable.

I think these Z3s are all generally pretty good bargains. Yeah. But it is interesting. Like you said, they're pretty tossable. They're in there. They all have basically low mileage. The three liters came in the late ones. You can get an M.

Yeah, and yeah, you get the S-54 if you want to go crazy. I realize they do have the shortcomings, you know, they do have the subframe issue like the M3 did. All the Z3s have that? Yeah. Well, go back to Z3 in general and go to oldest first. Is that a thing we do? We do not do oldest first.

Because I wanted James Bond. Oh, you can't live it by year. Hold up. End at 98. Okay. That was like the James... I only want to look at that James Bond color. You remember what I'm talking about?

I do. You know, that car was in like one scene in that movie. Yeah. Oh, there it is. There it is. That blue. 1.9. 1.9.

That thing's probably a dog. But it's six grand. That's a pretty good deal. That is pretty good. It should be James Bond. You could be James Bond for six grand. It's every dream you've ever had. I've never cared.

Okay, we've got to move on to questions. The questions were not good to this week. Yikes. Folks, give us good questions. Go to Cars and Bids.com. Click on the community tab. There will be a post and podcast questions. It says, please give us your questions.

If you're listening to this right now and you're thinking, I can do better than these questions, then do. Do better than these questions. Give us the good stuff, people. We like good questions. Not what car should I get. Not if you could import any car or if you could have any automaker, build you anything. Those are too broad, too. Give us the good stuff. That question last week about the fast and the furious what cars would replace the car. It was the best question I never had. It was a good one. Dear question from Glenn Hamine. Dear Kenan, Philippo and Doug, what cars have you had that your partners have hated? And did their opinion cause you to eventually get rid of the car? This is only applicable to you. Because your partner has never hated the car. My partner doesn't know what cars I have currently. To be honest.

I guarantee it. My wife didn't love the X-5. That's because I didn't really let her drive it because I was worried it would break down. And to be fair, it did often. This is battery issues and also rust issues and brake lines issues. It was the whole thing. You bought a good one. She did not.

It's typical Felipe. She really did not like the NB Miata that we had. She felt that it was too small, like just like a little too rickety and small. What cars does she like there? She loves the GTI. Surprisingly loves it. And she's otherwise been fine. You're going to get rid of that GTI that she loves?

Why don't they get rid of the station laying it? Because it's not, the GTI is not quite big enough. Truly, it's not. Yeah. So you need some size. You got that pickup truck now. You know what's in the back? Did you see this last night?

Do you don't see this? A spare wheel, right? No. I'm going to tell you what's in the back. I'm going to tell you something back. There's two spare wheels and a cinder block. Hell yeah. And two floor mats.

And two rubber formats. That's exactly what I was hoping. And I want you to know that I spent a long time before it got shipped here. Clearing out what should go in the back. You know, and his wheels, he has two white wheels and two black wheels and they're on opposite corners from one another. Honestly, it's going to be new wheels. Yeah, right.

That's a mistake. New wheels coming. The way to do mismatched wheels is put them on the same side. And that way no one really realizes. There's going to be new wheels soon because there's 16 and a half inch wheels and really hard to find tires for it. But you can buy bolt pattern. a different size.

I know, that's what's going to happen. He's driving around this dry-rodded thing. I'm not driving it around. You know, also, I just was curious the other day. Because you're, also, your 9-11 wheels are bad. They're badly refinished. They're slightly off-color, yes. He could just buy another set.

He just buy another set. They're not expensive. It's like $1,500 you could buy another set, just put them on and be done. Instead, you're just going to mess around and not refinish your wheels. No, I'm going to get to refinish. Here's the difference between you guys and I. I drive my car, and I don't want to give up driving it. I drive my car way.

I don't want to give up driving it. You will never. You were just out of town for two weeks. And right now you have... Two weeks! Oh, yeah, well, it doesn't count. All right, next question from T-Stefon to Kenan, do you have any answers for this? No, Emily drives an M-3-CRT.

She drives cooler cars on high-dh. Emily is an M-3-Cr-T-R-T. Yep. T-Stefon 672, Dear Doug, as a lover of E-Class wagons, which you ever buy the one-off E-400 4x4-squared if it became available. The amount that I have thought about this car... Pull it up, Ken. Pull up, Ken.

Pull up the E-class wagon. No, it's not sold ever. Now I know what you're thinking, Kenan, you're thinking they didn't make an E-class wagon four-by-four squared? Oh, but they did. They did. Is it a concept? It was a concept. I think Johnny Lieberman like drove it or something.

That picture. I'm dead serious. I'm not, look at this picture. That's the car we have. I'm dead serious. If I could buy this car, I would pay deep money for it. I'm not, I'm like real hundreds of thousands of dollars to have this car. to have this car. It'd be so cool. It's like a square G-wagon without the issues.

It's so cool. They made one, I don't know why. I think when this body of E-Class wagon came out to like add a little hike. It's just like you're altering. I think it's the cool thing. I think very often about how I want this car. Like very often about how I want this car. And they never actually brought it to market, which I think was a mistake. I think it was sold. Imagine the engineering necessary to make it Well, you made one, make 80! Come on! I love to let their engineers do stuff like this, though. That's very cool.

You could do this. Yeah. No, I mean, I would have a conversation. If there's an off-road shop out there that really believes we can get this done, I would have a conversation. Take it to Phil Chung, have him spend a weekend with the H-GELF? They're not an off-road shop up there. Can I make a suggestion?

So body-on-frame vehicles. It's a body on top of a friend. Your Sequoia is a body-on-frame vehicle. Yeah. Put a different body on it. I don't think the E400 is a different body, is a body on frame vehicle.

No, but I'm saying you don't like the image of the Sequoia, but you have the capability of the Sequoia. Just put a different body on it. That is... There are shops that would do it. There are shops that would do it. That's what people did.

I would have some concerns about crash rigidity, but it's dual. These days, I don't think that with electronics and sizing and such, I don't think that exists as much, although with those electronic, the electric vehicle,

skateboard chassis it may. I'm telling you, If anyone's listening to this pod from Mercedes-B-B-U-S-A, MB Global, if you can sell me this car, and I know you can't, because I think it's too... Why did they do this? I think it's too new to import. The thing.

Yeah, but this is so much cool, and what they actually... I know, but it's not always true. Look at that. I would use it, I would drive it, I'd put it on Instagram. This is sitting in a garage somewhere in Sto-E-C... Exactly.

It's in an underground garage in Stuccar, and nobody's thought about it in two and a half years. And I'm sitting here, every day wanting it. So, like, how does that work? We have to preserve our heritage. Do I want a 213 wagon now? Yeah, you do.

They're the best cars ever made. Yeah, Felipe, yes, you do. We've talked about this many times. I never have until now. Next question from Cheese Lover, I'll deal you in on this one, even though it's for me. Now that Doug has saved Lincoln and Nissan by urging them to make body boxy off-roaders, it's time to save Maserati.

I don't think making the Levanti boxy will help. They don't have any off-road credentials and pivoting is expensive. Should they put a new alter-exclusive? Halo car out. If the McPura had a stick, would it sell? Good questions. Here's how you say Maserati. Number one, you create an off-road SUV. I agree with them to that. Imagine a Levanti, like, off-road, like... It wouldn't be a Levanti. I think any off-road SUV done well would sell. Any, from any brand. I just don't think they have any, nobody have interested. Exactly. They need to...

People have they just in a Maserati. And if they could get a Raptor that was a Maserati, have you been to Miami? Have you been to Texas? People, it sounded good as the, as the Trafeo ones do. I'd be into that. You've got to do that. So that's what I would do first and foremost. I'd make it boxy. I wouldn't just lift the Levanti. I would make a good car.

Already were impossible for Mazurad. I don't know how you make a good looking Maserati styled car. Like the styling languages don't fit. You go back you ditch the styling language. It doesn't work. They build trash that no one wants. Start there. You go back to the bi-turbo for styling. Yeah. Or the

Shemal, like with the wide fenders. Number two thing you do, and this is what you really do, you have to get enthusiasts back to the brand. The only way to do it is with a real enthusiast car. Yes, you do a manual transmission, mid-engine, good car. Not a depreciation disaster like the McPura, not a car that only sells to people in Florida who are not sophisticated car enthusiasts.

A real car. Manual transmission, real car. You've got a manual, real car for the car enthusiast. You've got a boxy SUV for the, like, crazy people. Suddenly you're in business. now you can sell Shemales to whoever you want. Can I make a different? Give a different answer.

What's your answer going to be dumb? Leas specials like they've been doing for the last 10 years? Just don't try. It's time to give up. Fundamentally. It's so sad because people watching this podcast today don't realize this. But Maserati used to be a stronger brand than Ferrari. Maserati has more heritage than Ferrari.

Nobody recognizes this. In the 1950s, until they went under in the 1960s for the first time. Is it the sound of what? When a company is? Is that success? My point is, there. There was a time when this brand, yeah. Throughout the 30s, 40s, 50s,

they were, honestly, they were more legit than Ferrari. Their history goes back longer. They have more race success in that period, period, than Ferrari does. But Ferrari did it better. Yeah, well, that's true. In the end. But my point is, you don't give up on a storied brand. Yeah.

Well, that would be like giving up on Sears or Kmart. Or Saab. Oh, well. Or Pier 1 imports. What you do is, you must be peer one. You massage a storied brand. Yeah. I would like to see Maserati be successful.

Unlike you, I don't. You just hate nice things. So, like, for you, you just kind of want the brand to disagree. But I agree with you. You know, and Ferrari has currently been winning Lamont. So maybe, well, actually, all those engineers went to the Formula One team, which they'll lose the championship this year, I'm sure. But I think that you're right. Ferrari's won the Mauna last two years.

You know that we made it so far into the F1 season without talking about F1? Yeah. But how's the Catholic broke that? Hey, we've been on break all months. Hey, there's been a month because... You haven't given me updates on Cadillac. My team, my guys. America.

I'll give you an update. Although there's a Mexican involved. What's the story? Great Mexican driver. Well, we've been on break for the last month because there's supposed to be... Us or the F1? Because there were two races supposed to be in the Middle East and things aren't so great right there right now.

So they decided to cancel the races. We haven't had F1 all April. You know what doesn't go on break is tennis. Yonick's out there playing tennis right now. and what's the Mexican fellow driving my Black Wing doing? I don't know what anybody is doing right now. I don't know what anybody's doing right now, to be honest. So there's nothing happening?

Nothing has happened. The first race is this upcoming weekend. Where? We're back. Is this Miami this weekend? Do you think, and this is a real question, do you think that during the break that's happening because of the Middle East situation, do you think that that Kenelike has taken that time to retool and it will now be a competitive game?

They actually came out with a big SUV, it's off-roader. They just did it on the... escalated platform. Right, they just decided tracks. We don't mean no tracks. We don't mean, just go. No, I mean, it's been, it's a hard start to the season for Cadillac.

Not surprisingly, because, you know, their new team, they got a, there's a lot to learn. Formula One is not easy. And so there hasn't been the smoothest of starts for Cadillac, but, you know, I don't remember where they're, I don't think they've scored any points yet, but I might be wrong on that.

But still, it's, I'll keep you posted as the season evolves. Tell me when Cadillac wins their first race. Okay, well, let's talk to you in a couple of years. It's actually interesting because F1's been taking a break, but I drove here today in my career at GT. Oh, so in a way, thankfully somebody's driving an F1 car. That's exactly right.

F1 is not taking a break in San Diego. It's not an F1 derived engine. I didn't even say, he said F1 car, and I agree with him. Well, at the San Diego Auto Museum right now, there's a footwork Formula One car with the Porsche engine. You can go look at a real Porsche Formula 1 engine, and it's not that one. Last question, because I've got to move on.

I got to go. I have things to do. People. Last question. From who the heck? Do you and several of the pod friends, your pod friends have kids. Felipe also is my child. What vehicles will you encourage your children to get for their first cars and they reach

driving age and why? You know, I got a fellow down my block there. I can imagine. Sure. Everything that exists in my world now is just in my neighborhood. I got a fellow down my block there. He's a fellow. And he's got a kid.

She just turned 16 there. You know what he got her? It's a great idea. Base model ID4. It's slow. That is not a bad idea. It's free when he did it. I mean, I think it's, but this was a year ago.

It was probably $89 a month. Unfortunately, she's going to crash because she's distracted trying to lower the rear windows. Kenan, if you don't know, you have first the press the button to make the windows switch to the rear. I've heard this. I've heard this. If she crashes, it's good because it's safe. The answer to your question is, I'm going to get my kid an ID4. They'll love it.

I'm going to say, hey, I know this thing's 20 years old, and the range is down to 61 miles. Let's do write them on a range. But that's perfect. Where are they going? No, but in reality, ever since that happened and blew my mind, I now think that that's the perfect car for your kids. Leasing the worst electric car you can find. They'll all be electric car. Which is a lot of them.

Shout out to one of our coworkers, Matt Clark, who heads up our product engineering team, his daughter is 1617. And she got their old C-Max hybrid. That's the same thing. That's the kind of the same thing. It's fundamentally the same thing. What would you buy, get, lease? I would absolutely not buy.

Okay, what would you lease? No, no, I would. You wouldn't buy. Obviously. How would you procure the car? No, I wouldn't buy something new. But it's because I don't do that for myself. But don't you, but like, I agree with that.

But this, what does it cost to lease a 94 for the three years that she goes from driving the college. For the three years total, three grand, four maybe, yeah, no, you're not wrong. You're not wrong. You're not wrong.

I don't know. It depends. Some, like, lightly used practical automobile. You know what I'm hearing? Even better. A GTI4. I don't know.

It depends on the child. It really depends on the child. I'm also only interested in the 84. I don't have any interest in the other stuff because the ID4 has been put in my head by this fellow who lived down the street. And so... Smart.

Because the other stuff seems too sporty. Right. The ID4. came out and kind of turned its nose up. Especially the ID4 Pro, which is the base trim is. Good stuff. Yeah. So you got some sort of lately used.

It depends on the child. Like, what do you have to be worried about with this child? Say your child is Kennan. Well, then all you have to worry is going to spend too long listening to Beethoven symphonies before I go to better. I think you got to get a child like Kenon, something that will fuel his passion, like an E-46, if it was up there. And now that would be like a... No, that's exactly what happened. No, I know.

I think that was the right call. Like, it fueled your passion, got you into it. It would be, the equivalent now is what? Like, a... F10.5.35 by 6 speed. That would be like the car that would be the equivalent. Oh, my God. You're going to get an N-54?

I'm going to give them... Get an M-5. Screw it. Like, that's what Ryan did. I'm so sorry, don't do that. No. Don't get an N-54 for anybody you love. M-55, as in Mark, yes. Yeah, but the N-54 is the one in the 535, isn't it?

That's the N-55, I think. They're both bad. Remember that video? You know what? But you need unreliability. Do you hear that YouTube short dash cam video of that E-82-1 series, and the guy, it breaks down, and the guy's, like, crashing out on the side of the highway in Texas. No.

Oh, it's unreal. It's like an E82 that is breaking down or has just broken down, and the dude is out, like, screaming and kicking the car. And it's like, yep. Okay, that's the interesting point. I will say, like, my first car was 2001, E395-5-25-5-5-speed, which was the thing about that car, like, it was a nice car. And my friend Brian's first car was an E-39-5. What were you born? I was born in 1995.

So the car was five, six years old when you got, when the car was. You were sick. So the question is... I was six in the car came out, so if the person... If you had a child today, you'd be getting the car in, like 20... 2020. It's 2026 now, so it would be... The car was 5 years older.

You had the car. It would be like six years from now. A 2031. I wonder if anything like an E-339 will even exist in six years. A Nissan leaf seems like a good choice, too. No, it's too small. But my point with this was we were all actually ended up... You know, a lot of people were like, oh, you don't want to get you kids a nice car and stuff.

Because of who we were as people. We were so careful with the cars. And actually, Ryan built a whole business out of it. And I'm here in part because my M5 broke down. That's a good point. It depends on the child. It depends on the child. What if Ken and Nancy had instead gotten for you an ID4?

He would have rebelled and started to do drugs. Drugs? Folks, I take back my advice on the 84. I'm going to go march down the street and tell my neighbor that he needs to buy his daughter an E39. The real answer, and E339M5. It's the answer for everyone. Bicycles exist. Bicycles exist.

Yep. It'll be. popular in high school. Thank you so much, Felipe, that's lovely. And buses, public transit, very pro-public transit. Filippo, can I tell you something? Very pro-Polyd. If you leave in rural Texas. You? We don't. I'm not trying to be a jerk. People do. You live in sunny San Diego, in the city, urban life, warm. I live in Anchorage. And not even Anchorage, I live in Wicilla. Okay. Oh, wow. I can't take a bicycle. You, you're hanging out of the Pailant? I don't know what that is. Oh, those people,

she was a part of that. She, Sarah Palin and Meperner served lived in Bithella, right? Well, I don't know. I just go on Zilla there. Listen, this was our best podcast of all time. Buy your kids in ID4. You got any parting advice? Don't do that. Go to Cars and Bids.

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