THIS CAR POD! with Doug DeMuro & Friends! - Another Sedan Gone, Lamborghini Hybrids, Ferrari F1, Doug Wins Concours, and MORE! | EP06

Episode Date: April 26, 2024

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Hello and welcome to this car pod. I'm Kenan. I'm Felipe. And today we're going to talk about cars, starting with the news. All right. And I'm going to start off with our first news story. The Subaru Legacy. Saddest new story of the week.

Is being canceled a year from now. Does anyone care? No. No. No. Go back. When was the last time you saw a legacy? I saw one last week and it was notable because I saw a lot of.

one. They don't, they don't enter my conscience. I think if you wanted to commit a crime, that would be a car conscious. That would be, if you wanted to commit a crime, that would be the car to use, because it's so anonymous. Yeah. I mean, yeah, I mean, I wouldn't notice it regardless, but what brand did that

Super Bowl ad where there was like an anonymous looking car? You know what I'm talking about? Yeah. Decade ago? It looks like that. Well, yeah. And, you know, it's a shame. To be honest, I didn't really know exactly what the current legacy looked like, but this is what it looks like, apparently.

and now it's gone. Nobody will miss it. Although you're just shifting their focus to SUVs in general like everybody else. So Subaru's out with the cars and... They're even in Pregas still. Yeah, yeah. But the funny thing, the same thing happened to the Impresza that happened to Legacy, which is they created an SUV version, and then that became the really popular one.

Okay, so Subaru's basically out, mid-sized sedans anyway. The Ford Fusion is done. Yep. The Chevy Malibu is done, et cetera. Can you name the like four that remains time? Yeah, I mean, all you have left, is the Camry and the Accord and the Altima. And is, what else?

There's a sonata and the KK5, which those are going out. I think that's it. Wow. What a time. We're done. I think about this with some regularity. Like Ford really, they knew what they were doing starting early by getting rid of the focus and starting to focus on.

Of course, some manufacturers like Subaru made other cars that people wanted to buy. And Ford has the Echo Sport. By doing that. The Echo Sport does great in Malaysia, okay? Right. It's EcoSport? Echo Sport. No, it's Echo Sport, even though they have the eco boost.

Spelled the same way, and they could have tied that together, but they didn't. Should we get to some more interesting cars? Yeah, let's bring up some actual news. The Tesla Model 3. Performance. Performance has been announced, revealed. Here are the specs. Do you know the specs?

Not off yet, no. 510 horsepower. That's more than in every car you've ever owned combined. Zero to 60 and 2.9. It's not true, but it's not far off. $296 miles of range. It's about 50 miles below the standard car. That's not bad. And it's price only $53,000 before incentives.

You can go zero to 60 in 2.9 seconds for $53,000 in 510 horsepower. The early reviews are also pretty positive. They've done a better job, apparently, with suspension tuning, and it's actually sportier, whereas the last Model 3 performance, I thought was just a faster Model 3. $100 a horsepower is the gold standard. If you can get to $100 on a new car, If you can get to 100 bucks of horsepower, you're killing it.

The Mustang GT is pretty much always played in that realm. Even since I was a kid. And that's now this. This is the Mustang. This is a muscle car. Oh, yeah. You've said that for a while. I mean, you know, they're not particularly well put together.

They're very fast on a straight line. They're built America. Like, it really works. It really is a modern muscle car. I'm sorry. It really is. In a lot of ways, it really, really is. So this is out now, and it's really fast.

And why would anyone buy any other car, Filippo? I haven't bought a car That's out of Model 3 That is a Model 3 You get my point though For 53 Gs No, it's a great deal You want to beat out a supercar?

Fine. You want a self-drive? Fine. You want what this? It's got everything. That or a two-year-old Tycon Turbo Yeah Although this is probably faster.

Yeah. I mean, I'm not going to be buying one. To be clear, they are great. But someone like you. Oh. What do you think the least deal would be like a year? Yeah.

Least deal. Yes. Yep, there. He touched on that. They are shockingly, it is a shockingly impressive value of the Model 3 performance. It always has been, and now it really is. As the Model S Plaid was when it came out. Yep.

Do you think there would be a Model 3 Plaid? No. The Platt was expensive. The S-plad was expensive. For a thousand horsepower? Yeah, true. True. Prior to that, to make a thousand horsepower, you had to buy a challenger and then take it to

some shop that mods things for drag racing and put in a cage and a parachute. Or you could just go to the Tesla store in the mall. Right. Right. You just have to go to a speed shop that was near the mall. Right. Now you have to go to the actual mall. The speed shop was actually near the airport.

That's how those things are always... That's how it works. The only tenants that can be okay with plane noise are drag racing shops. Okay, that's the Model 3 performance. It's out. It's fast. It's cool. Two sedan stories we laid off with that's right. That's a... Yeah.

Give us the most interesting story of all. All right. Go to it. The G550 with EQ technology has fully revealed. You're close. It's G580. With EQ technology. I got that wrong.

It's so embarrassing. It's a motor in each wheel. Wheel. Each motor has a two-speed transmission. The taekon is the only other AV I can think of that has a two-speed transmission. The taikons is for high-speed performance. This is for like low range. Yep.

Rock crawling type stuff. 240-mouth range. Only 580 horsepower and 860 pound feet of torque. It's not going to be that fast. Four seconds. something zero 60, which is not slow, obviously, for SCVE, the size of the G580, but it's not, it's not going to be like a performance EV. Yeah, because, presumably because they've badged it in a way that they're leaving room for an

AMG model. Of course. So there's going to be a high performance version. And also, they've gone very off-road focus, right? That two-speed transmission, there's a bunch of reinforcement for the batteries so that you can go through streams and over rocks. The thing I heard, it's coming later this year, and the starting price I heard is around $180,000. The first edition one is 180K.

I mean, I mean, yeah. I'm not, how much is the G63? Yeah. Or G550 even. I'm not one who likes to make these kinds of comparisons because the G is a G and that is its own thing. But a Rivian, just if you were going to make a comparison. Also quad motor.

A Rivian has more power, more torque, more range. This only has 240 miles of range. More range, better performance, off-road capability is probably just as good. and it costs half. It's also bigger. It has more seats. Yep. Or the Hummer EV has Watts to Freedom mode, which does not have?

Yeah, no one is buying that. That still is very many. I will. I think that the grill design here, which is there, like the Mercedes EV grill design does not work on this car. I think it looks bad. It looks okay. Why did they only give it a, why did they only not give it a spare tire in the back? So in the back, which we don't have a photo of, it's like a square or spare tire cover,

which is where all the charging cables and stuff go. You can get a spare tire as an option. I don't think they've announced where that spare tire will live. So there's a chance that the G580 with the EQ technology with the spare tire option will have the same rear spare tire. Got it. And I don't know where the charging equipment goes. We'll find out.

Right. All of these things we're going to learn. Nobody will ever order one. Just like in the first gen Kyan, nobody ordered the. You're crazy. These are going to be incredibly popular. No, no, people will buy this, not the spare tire option. Got it, got it, right, right.

Yeah, I guess if it's an option, that's something people aren't really going to actually get. If you throw it on their OE, then it's cool and everybody wants it. Right. People have been talking a lot about how this is a shockingly bad value. But I think that what they do, and considering the size of the battery and what it is, that it should be faster, I think people don't get, I mean, G-wagons or G-wagons. I don't buy the brick thing anymore now that Rivian exists. because Rivian also makes bricks

and they're incredibly good range. Better like EV technology. I do think it's harder than people realize to get EV hardware into an existing vehicle. I have a suspicion that's part of the problem. What's insane here is they announced that this would exist when the new G-wagon came out basically. Like 18. Right. That's what time.

They could have prepared. They could have built the car around it. Then again, the GLB isn't a competitive vehicle. The GLB, the EQE, which is only whatever. None of them are really comfortable. competitive. I do like that EQS though to this day. Yeah, this is an interesting thing. I'm it's this world wants to go electric. The people who are in this world expensive car like they're buying model X's they are it's they're the Kardashians like they want

to be seen in electric cars. It makes sense that they go this way and yes we're going to see these things everywhere in California despite the fact that from a value perspective it's not particularly great and it's incredibly expensive it doesn't matter it's a G wagon. Yeah it has the image it's going to be better on fuel than the current one. Right. And so there's all this handwringing online. It's not the value. You're missing the point of why people buy this. They're not looking. If they wanted value, they wouldn't buy the regular G-wagon in the first place, but they wanted G-wagon.

The third owner will take a G-wagon off-road and overlanding. The first two, never even considered it. Electric G-offroad, that would be interesting. That would be cool. Speaking of SUVs that people in Beverly Hills are going to have, there's a new plug-in hybrid Uros. Plug-in hybrid. How did you say that? Uros. Spragetti.

Word, the Uris? I don't know. How do you say it? We say EURUS. I mean, I think you're more right, but I think if you're going to sell it at mass market, you have to just accept that people are going to... EURIS. Yeah.

EURS. EURT and SENA. Yeah. It's the same thing. He's not wrong. All right. Yeah. New Urus plugin.

What do you got? You get specs? Yeah. I don't remember them off. 790 horsepower, which is more than the regular one, which has 660 horsepower. It's the same engine. It's the same twin turbo. V8 that they're already making, but now with a plug-in hybrid.

Extra 173 horsepower electric motor. Yeah. I think they've said that the zero to 60 time will be 0.1 seconds faster. So it won't be faster. They just have to say that. Yeah. 30 miles of electric range. 30 miles.

But for a plug-in hybrid, that's normal. Wow. How generous. That's generally normal. And I assume that just like the Jeep, this will be everywhere, right? Like, people, you're driving down Rodeo Drive. Yeah, of course. You may as well get the one that's, I guess.

I mean, this I wonder about. At the 250K price point, Lamborghini, do people want plug-in hybrids? I never understand what people buy this. I mean, eventually, this will just become the norm for them, obviously. Yeah. This will be what you get. Lamborghini second plug-in hybrid. After the Revolto.

Correct. The Revolto's not out yet. When does this come out? The Ravolto will be out before this is out. You can't buy a Ravualto. I can't buy any of these cars. And I mean that both financially and from an image perspective. I do agree.

that on a general level this is not particularly exciting. There weren't a lot of news stories this week. And they're all EV-related. Well, every car, you know, our producer is like, what about a non-EV news story? Well, the legacy is a non-EV news story. It's being canceled.

In this world, every news story is a damn EV news story. That's just the way it is. All these cars coming are in an EV news story. With the exception of Kennan's news story for the week. Yes. Which is also a technology story. A photo of some serious-looking people in a racing outfits.

Yes. No, he doesn't know who any of these people are. For those of us who like Formula One, Ferrari announced that they are taking a new sponsorship. It's now going to be Scuderia Ferrari HP. I don't know what that would be in Italian. Accompate. Thank you. Who's this fella here? He's not driving, is he?

He looks like he's... No, this is the driver, for sure. He's the driver. Can you describe him for our audio lift? Well, he's an older fellow. It's a photo of the two Formula One driver's series of Charles LeCler and Carlos Science. Oh, it says so in their belts. This is Cardo Sines.

He sounds like... This is his... I can do a pretty good impersonation. Charles Lecler. is that for a French? What's going on with the... Yeah, he's a Montaguex. Ferrari doesn't have Italian drivers?

What's that about? No, Ferrari hasn't had an Italian driver in a long time. They had Antonio Juvenazzi. It was a reserve driver for them, but no, they have not had an Italian. Now they're sponsored by Acape. And next year, yeah, Acape. And next year, they will have Lewis Hamilton will be part of the team. Now, there are a lot of great jokes I've heard about H.P.

They said that Ferrari's going to command P a lot of money, and that's why they did this. I like that one. It is a huge sponsorship thing. There is a rumor that at the Miami Grand Prix, the car is actually going to be blue as a nod to the new sponsor, which would be wild as Ferrari doesn't do that generally. But Filippo and I, a couple things. Filippo and I grew up in a world where Ferraris were driven by Italians.

I've literally never seen a Ferrari in Italy being driven by the time. That's so true. Now, you're making a big deal out of this, but what about Shell has always been involved? with all this. Yeah, show has always been involved, but the big title sponsors in the past Marlborough was one for a really long time.

For obvious reasons, that went away. You know, they couldn't have smoking as part of the sport. The previous one to them was win now, which I thought you would love that. I'm sorry? Yeah.

Win now was the name of the sponsor. Were they like a gambling? No, it was related to Marlboro in some way, but it was a big title sponsor for Ferrari. Then now they have, Acapeo, however you say.

I'm just stunned that HP has enough money from selling mediocre That's what blew my mind. I mean, like, how I don't understand how HP has enough money to do this, but evidently they do, because it must have cost them an absolute fortune, not only to, like, be a part of the sponsorship, but to actually have it be in the name of the most story team in the sport. You agree, though, that going forward, you will buy an HP printer if... Well, already have one, already a sponsor?

Are you Shell fuel? I'm part of it. Right. The thing to know about Kevin is that he exclusively gets fuel at Shell. That is true. Is that true? That's kind of true. God. What else do?

What are those? Peroni? I don't drink Peroni. I definitely don't use Pirelli's because I use Misholins. Santander would not bank with them. Richard Mio wouldn't wear that watch ever. It would be dead wearing that thing. Puma, I don't have any track seats.

Okay, but you are going to, you're an HP and Shell guy. But yeah, so that's why we have the picture of Charlotte, Clair, Carlos Sines, and Frederick. So these drivers don't have to really be, it's not like the Olympics, where they have to come from the country of the vehicle. That's not something. Oh, no, absolutely. I don't, what? I was hoping that maybe, you know.

The French Alpine, they like to have French drivers. They make a really big deal about that. And that's pretty cool. But, no, there has not been an Italian Ferrari driver in some time. Yeah, that Michael Schumacher fellow was German. I don't know if you know that. Michael Schumacher, as his native tongue would have pronounced, took Ferrari to extreme victories.

Extreme victories. Yeah, their greatest run of consecutive victories. Well, Kenan, thanks for that riveting story. Honestly, it was better than any of the other news stories we had. So he asked me if he could include it. I was like, I don't want racing stories. And then we did it, and you know what? It was something.

You got to find out that I don't like Perelia Barone. And we all learned about somebody including... Frederick Vassar, who is awesome and is doing a great job with the team, and I can't wait to see what else was for that. Okay. Not fast. Not known for speed. Next thing.

Next thing, we've moved past the news, and we're going to talk about cars. Yes, so we have something very. exciting to talk about. Oh, okay. You want to start with that? All right, go to the next picture. Kenan and I, let me tell you something that happened over the weekend. Here's me with a, with a woman. I'm in there. I'm in the pastures. He's talking to other judges. It's hard to see, but he's in there. Kenan and I took my Lamborghini to the La Jolla concord elegance, which is a event. It's an illustrious event here in San Diego. You wouldn't know, but it's an event. We know. We know. We were there. Wasn't Elagons a Buick trim at some point? Oh, man. Okay.

They brought us concour. You're thinking of Deville Concours. It's a Cadillac. Somebody had an all a gauntra. I told Kenan, I said, look, I want to bring the Lamborghini to this thing. It's like at a judge show. And Kenan said, I will prepare the car for the concours. And he did.

He spent a day here in the office cleaning it with toothpicks. It was six hours. I put into getting it ready. It was a long time, actually. I ended up spending on it. Which is great. You know, everybody does this for these concourse events. That's what people do.

Other people, by the way, pay their detailers, but it's okay. Well, we're going to get to that. So this is what people do. They prepare an enormous amount. And then they trailer the car to the event because they don't. But I live here and I drive the car a lot. So he detailed the hell of it. And then I drove it to the event.

Apparently, like 25 miles on the car. And then I got any additional dust or debris that have been got along. I showed up at the event at like a, Kenan City, Bither. He wasn't there, and I text him. I said, Kenan, Kenan, it's dirty. They're going to start judging. Of course, they didn't for two and a half hours after that, but I got there at a reasonable time. I brought my stuff.

I even brought, nobody else thought to do this. I don't know why. I have a little, like, a chair that I sit on that. I took that so I could, like, get down and get the wheels and make sure they're inside the exhaust was clean. You ripped up the grass on the... No, no, I, it doesn't really roll on the grass, so you got to pick up and move it about. But I had something to sit on it. I didn't, like, have to get my knees covered in.

What we made, I mistaken made, we don't have the picture, but Kenon dresses up like a crate. He dresses in the... He's got a hat, he's got a suit, he's doing the... whole thing. It is appropriate to dress that way for these events. That's what people do. I brought pants. I mean, yeah, you wore pants. Anyway, so I entered the car in the class, which was Lamborghinis from

1962 to 1990, and I was the only Kuntas. In fact, we generally have kind of come to the conclusion. I'm probably the only Kuntash in San Diego, which is like a three and a half million metro area, but we talk to a lot of people there who work on these cars, and they've never seen another one. So, this is the only drivable condition for Kuntash. So

it was kind of a crowd favorite, because it's a Kuntash. And there were Other LAMBos in the class, there were a couple 350 GTs and 400 GTs, which are beautiful vintage cars, and they had been beautifully restored. And I'm here with my little kuntash that I scraped the front end on my driveway, you know. Yeah, there's nothing I could do about that. I can see it from here. So we didn't expect to win because it was like beautiful cars. But we came back and there was an award that they said we had won, and we had to drive up to collect it.

And the award was, as it turns out, we won the Preservation Award. It's a giant trophy. absolutely giant trophy and it was given to the best original car, the best car that had been preserved originally. Right. Now we initially thought that this car had been

painted at some point. We generally think it's been painted. I painted the wheels like yesterday. I mean, I didn't personally, but a guy... So, you know, original ish. But it was judged by Mark experts who have actually know when he's very well. And it is original in a lot of ways. I think a

couple panels have been painted, but the interior is really amazingly original, including the original radio, which I use every time I drive the car. You read the headliner. Yeah, in original. In original material. Oh. And I think that might be the only part of the interior that's been redone.

Everything else does look like, it all matches the patina and everything matches. I mean, the car was with one owner for 35 years, and that's the recipe for an original car. Absolutely. So we won this massive trophy, and we got this fantastic ribbon. That is not light. Yeah, it's a real thing. It's a very

heavy wooden basin glass. We got this fantastic ribbon which says on it, a specialty award winner. And the trophy is very valuable to me as the Kuntash's guardian and owner. But Kenan, I am going to present you with the ribbon, as it was you who made the car so beautiful. Thank you. Well, it was a pleasure to do so. I was more than happy to do it. The car shined like I've never seen it shine before. It was very satisfying to, I knew the car could shine up nicely, so it was satisfying to go over everything and dial in all the rubbers and like make sure that all the everything was nice and clean. But the thing to me that was the most special about the whole thing was riding up with you.

Yeah. Because we wrote up doors up. So we get the award and we're the only people there who are entering a car who's under 65. Yeah. And so we decided to add a little fun to the whole event. You know, everybody's there in these clothes and they're all. It's kind of a, it's not stuffy, but it's kind, you know, it's like an older crowd. Yeah. So we decided to make it a little bit more fun.

So we roll up, we drive the door. up the whole way up and it was great we closed them right before we went on stage and then we pulled the car on stage and we open the doors and people went nuts and applause the whole audience started clapping yeah it was great we had a great time we won an award the kuntash was definitely a crowd favorite I think it's so cool to see that car which is why I don't enter concour events but I thought it would be cool to show the car off because I think people like to see kuntosh's yeah who wouldn't just such a cool car especially as beautifully prepared thanks to

Kenan my questions yeah first of all Kenan the event seemingly sponsored by IWC. IWC. Shahousen. Would you wear that watch? Oh, absolutely. Big pilot, big fan. Well, here's another great reason to have the ribbon.

Second question is, is this kind of an insulting award? Yeah. It's like a little back-headed. It hit me later. They're basically saying, you've got to restore this thing. That is what this award means. The great irony of the award is, of course, we were the best original car, because every car there is heavily restored.

That's the point of these events. And so... Yes and no. In this particular realm, like preservation cars have become much more appreciated. Something's only original once. And so there are a lot of cars that have been shined up and polished and shine. And just like all the chrome's been redone and blah, blah, blah. But that takes away from the life that the vehicle has lived.

Right. And in this car's case, one owner car, like you said, now it continues to live on being used and enjoyed and shown to people in San Diego. Initially, when I was cleaning, I'm like, man, he's got one day, maybe if the thing doubles in value will have it painted because it needs it. But now I'm like, you know, now that we've won the award. Leave it and enjoy it and have fun with it. Now that we're big time trophy winners,

Toyota Goat is in there. Oh, nice. On top of the beat. That was our weekend. That sounds like a fun weekend. It was a great weekend. Tiring, but great. Okay, Kenan, you have an interesting topic for us.

Yes, I pondered a theory. And I have a suspicion. I was thinking about you and him specifically. Oh, wow. And I think that the first cars that you ever get to interact with kind of dictate the cars that you are interested in. The reason I think this applies to you is you didn't really have any interesting cars to

mess around with. So you started to turn to resources, reading, and like all the, anything you could digest with cars you liked, and now you know everything to know about every car, as you prove, as you've beaten us many times. Which is very annoying. You interacted with affordable, like

common, normal cars and that's what you love and know the most about. Me? My first car interaction really that I remember, like that really changed my life, was a Ferrari 355, and I am into Ferraris and exotic cars. I think that the cars you grow up around and you first get to experience dramatically shape the cars that you are interested in. The reason I disagree with you, deeply. The reason I disagree with you is that you were also around normal cars.

But I was like, I think his point though is... Neither did, right. But you found an interest in normal cars. Right, but that's why I think it's less about what cars you're around and more about what, like, what, like, connect what spurs your interest it's also not totally true around a malibu max my mom okay my dad thinks

my dad love that car has a second row that slides forward and backwards but my mom had a sports car granted it was a Ford Pro but it was a manual and it was like and she was into it and like the headlights went up and I thought that was really cool also from that era

and so like that I also like you know there was something about sports cars and whenever I would have like matchboxes organized there were always exotic ones and I would line them up on the carpeting just like I now like keep the clean them you know that's something that but they were just regular i used to get a hot the hot wheels car wash that's his point i think you make a good point i think that that's generally agreed to be true i mean people who have posters on their wall want the car they had the poster of and and

my dad had a whatever growing up often turns into i bought either that same car again or i a newer version you know i think so but my yeah my point is is even more than that's like again in your case if you don't have the cars around you just you fixate on these car like just learning as much as you can about stuff that you're into and that kind of just draws you that way. But what if it's the other way? It's the car that brings, like for you, you didn't, you didn't care until the 355 came to you. That's true. The 355 did find me. Maybe it's not that you, that you like the car because you interacted with. Maybe it's like the first car that you really, that really made

you feel that way is the car that, right, and dictates what you'll like. In which case, what normal vehicle did this to you? I've, from when I, the story that my mom tells is that when I was two I could identify every car by its headlights or tail lights at night still true by the way except the headlights have gone really bright and you my vision is not what it was gone harder but tail lights I can still do so I think I that that's why I does agree because I don't think there wasn't like a car or a type of car that I was into I just loved well I mean I'm more

speaking yeah I'm not speaking about one thing like a specific car I think spurred that interest in you which is great but so I think that you then become came to love that brand But I think my point is like the cars you were around were just normal cars. You weren't around any exotic cars because they're just... Right, but a lot of the cars you were around were also normal cars. And then that car came to him. And then I was only around exotic.

That's probably more of what it is. The thing you remember in love is the first car that really speaks to you. So I guess... And in your case, it was a Fiat Panda. And what was it in your case? Yeah, Una, I thought was cool. If that's the... I just have a deeply pure love of all vehicles.

And so like I love normal cars as much as he does and I love exactly. car as much as you do and I there's no I just I run the gamut I really do it's also fascinating he created a career for himself in cars I've always been passionate about cars and cars just kind I it had by happenstance those two things linked I think you learned that you loved exotic cars and you created that career for yourself so I think like you also like pursue the thing that's yeah that's true well I love very lucky in that regard oh yeah very lucky but it just was just thinking about the origins of where these things come from. Yeah, it's an interesting thought, and when you think about... Particularly for him. Like, I was like,

I was like, where does, why does Filippo hate exotic cars but loves normal mundane? Because that's what he... I don't have any connection to exotic cars. I don't have any... Despite being from the land that builds them. And you grew up in Monza, right? Which, near the Cathedral of Speed.

But all Italians drive boring cars, little cars. Yeah, and so there you go. That's exactly right. Felipe, what have you got for us today? Earlier this week, Doug, you had an Ionic 5-N. press car. Yes. You reviewed it. That video is coming out at some point. Right. What do you think of it? All right. I'm going to

tell you this about the Ionic 5N. I'm talking exclusive about electric cars this week. There is a feature in this car. It's the Ionic 5N is this Hyundai has a hatchback or an SUV. They call it an SUV, but it's kind of a hatchback. It doesn't really matter. Hatch UV. Yeah. Yeah. Nice. And it's called the Ionic 5 and it's kind of weird looking and people generally like it.

And they came out with a performance version called the Ionic 5N. Hyundai's performance brand is inexplicably the letter N. and I didn't fair BMW uses the letter yeah it stands for motorsport M seems like M stands for not

motorsport anyway so the Nionic 5N comes out and I didn't have high hopes for it because it's an electric hatchback crossover my dream yeah right but it was great and I'll tell you why it had the coolest feature of any electric car

I've ever driven in the entire history of driving electric cars the electricness can become a transmission. So you press a button and it has gears simulated and an engine noise and you go and it like feels like it's shifting. And it was incredible, it changed my entire perception of electric cars. And after this experience, I now feel that if Ferrari doesn't do this and if Porsche doesn't do this and if Rimack doesn't do this, then they're insane. It was incredible, it brings the fun of shifting back. I mean, you don't have a pedal, you don't have a gear lever, but like it feels like a door.

clutch. There's paddles. So you use the paddles to shift. The sound is mimicked from an elatra N in this case, which is stupid. But when you think about what it could be, they don't have anything. But when Ferrari inevitably comes out with an electric supercar, they could have the 275 GTP.

They could have an F50. And it was amazing. It's like it really brought fun back to the electric car. And all these Tesla people on Twitter are like, they're fun. They are fun. Now do you say they're not fun? Not really. They're not really fun. Like you just put your foot down and they're fast. Yeah, exactly. They're fast. Yeah. But like they're not,

there's not much to the experience. Or beyond that. From Tesla people who came out of a Prius, that to them, they think that's what fun is in a car. It's like pushing your foot down and it's fast. That's, yeah. But to people who have been in car enthusiasts, it's about gear change, it's about feel. And the Ionic 5N has all that. It was, it was amazing. Did you drive around in DCT mode? That's when I've been driving the car the last three days, the only mode I'm driving in. I refuse. Yeah, absolutely. I get in in the car. The first thing I do is press that button turn on. It's amazing. Sounds incredibly cool. It changed my entire perception of all electric car performance cars.

Well, do you think other people will actually follow that list? If they don't, then they are the stupidest manual. Then they are as stupid as we think they are. Wow. Dang. Everyone should do this. It is so clear to me that this is like the future of making performance electric cars. I don't know how it works.

I don't really care, but it feels like shifting when you're driving it. That's incredible. It's amazing. I heard you revving the engine when you get it. Yeah. Yeah, it's all, like, all the sound is inside the car, I think. No, no, there isn't, there's a speaker on the outside and the rear. And again, it's the Elantra N engine notes.

So you're listening to this and you're like, this is stupid. And it is. But it is cool. But you get what it could be. Yeah, right. Right. I understand the implication. You understand the implication.

And Hyundai starts this somehow, but you see where this could go. And it's like, and when you downshift, the car, like, rocks forward. Right. Like, yeah. Like, if I had, if I, if I, if I, you blindfold in the car, you would think, you were driving in a DCT car, period. There's no way you could tell that it was electric car. You know, I being me, or whatever the correct way to say that would have been,

my first thought is, is that less efficient? Like a CVT famously, most efficient way because you're always in a power band. Are you, like, creating inefficiency that doesn't... Absolutely, because anywhere there are shift times, you're off the acceleration curve, but it's about... We give it up for fun. Sometimes you have to live. Yeah.

And it probably is less efficient. But keep in mind, the Ionic 5N is already less efficient than the regular car. The range is like 250 versus like 320 in the regular car. So it's pretty significant a client. So if you're buying the end, you're probably already committing to performance. Right. Right. So why not lose a couple miles of range to have shift?

Fascinating what it could be. I am stunned by it. And then you start thinking, okay, well, wait a minute. If they can do that, could they... Toyota said they were working on a manual electric car. And then it's like, well, maybe this won't be so bad. Computers, man. HP.

HP. Doing it. Frederick Fursuwer. You know. Yeah, and those other guys. I have one more topic to discuss in the talking about our week of cars segment, and that is I am unhaining my Toyota Sequoia. This is pre-I-ing. This is so insulting.

For those that don't know, can you describe unhaining? Okay. The car in its stock form is heinous. And so I am unh-hane, which I have decided to re-it-to-hane. That's like my main catchphrase. And I am unhaining it. And so I've done a few things already, and there's going to be more. Sorry, you're still on temp.

Yeah, I feel like when a car, when you take a temp plate off a car, it's not new anymore. You know what I mean? Right. I wouldn't know. And so I'm going to leave the temp plates not due to like mid-June. I'm just going to keep, I have the plates, the physical. I'm just going to keep rolling on temps. It's still like it's legal because it's to the same number of the car on.

Right, right. It just doesn't feel. Once the plates on, it's over. Right. And after all, you've journeyed a hundred miles. It's still kind of new. I did that I first fill up the other day. Wow.

And I went to that gas station in Miramar, the Stars and Stripes gas station that's all America themed. And I was like, yeah. If I get a viper, I'm taking it there for Philip. I don't look at the angle often. The camo is just... It's camo on the wheel. All right, we'll get to that. So, I took off the Fender, the running board.

So go to the next picture. The running board's gone. That really had an effect. Can your son still get in it? That's going to be hard. So the previous picture, the previous picture, you can see. the running board it really gives the car an enormous amount of visual bulk and it functions to make the wheels look smaller because it really pulls the whole body down and it makes the car just look bigger and the wheels smaller the wheels

already look kind of small because of this stupid black things so but taking it off it actually the car looks more muscular the car is like actually better because of it well what are these wheels 18s yeah with big tires but but what you don't understand is you're this isn't the the wheel arch right it's a stupid fender and they they i don't know why they did that so then the next thing thing. The next thing. Wait, sorry, can I ask the question? You have modified your vehicle.

Yeah. I'm doing so you've made it less practical for your sole use. You know, can we talk about this? Can we talk about running boards for a second since we're going to do this? Yeah. running boards make it easier to get in. running board stick out two inches from the car. I can't get my foot on. Yours are okay. In the Sequoia, they're kind of wide. And I feel like when you're carrying children, they actually need it. I think it makes it harder to get in and out because it's not big enough to put your foot on. And then when you're trying to get out, it's another thing you have to step over.

over to get out of the car because realistically you can't step on it. The only good running boards are the ones in those Fords that electronically come down and actually are like a step into the car. These things go back to him. This is, this is a couple. That's pretty wide. There was no way for a human person to get their foot out of this car. What about your child? He's not climbing into cars.

He's not climbing. Yeah, but you're picking him up and put him in. But now he won't be able to. Well, if he's lucky, this car will be gone by the time he's getting into cars. Does Ford have a patent on like folding it? folding out? No, other manufacturers do it. Everybody should do that. They only do it in pickup trucks, I think, because there's just so much space

there. So anyway, that's... But I agree with you, this looks definitely looks better. Definitely an improvement. And then the giant Sequoia badge on the back has been... God, that is so aggressive and huge. Now it's gone. Are you going to put second genet, a first gen Coyah badge on it? I was thinking about doing that, but they have to be black because there's no chrome in the car. So I have to plastic dip them and I just don't care that much. Now, the real

drawback, of course, so the giant billboard advertising for the Sequoia is gone. The real drawback of course, remains the flared fenders, or the camo fenders. Toyota came out with the forerunner TRD Pro. It has camo seats, but they ditched the camo fenders on the forerunner, which I think is so perfect. They know it's stupid. Yeah.

So I tried to get those wrapped, but unfortunately they are textured, so I can't wrap them. And they're not interchangeable with other sequoia models because they have these little lights in them. And the other sequoias don't. So can we like sand them? So then the next step would be sanding them and painting them, which obviously I'm not going to do. So that's what I've done. Are you going to do the wheels? I'm going to paint the wheels gray.

Are you going to gray, not bronze? I'm going gray. When I announced this on Twitter, too many people suggested bronze, and that became clear to me, I don't want to do bronze. In order to make the car subtle, it has to be gray wheels. And then Kenan will finally respect me again. I forgot that the badge was black. That's true.

I actively do not respect this vehicle. Tasteless, heinous vehicle. Kenan, it's great. It's gigantic and just go-shy. I have no desire I've ridden in the thing I don't I don't want to interact with this You know from this angle it looks like the rear bumper

repanned He rot on it I took him to get ice cream in it That's true You were there? Yeah I'm there It was great We had a great time And now it's even better because Sequoia is off the

We did put PPF on the tailgate so that That could be why Got it So there you go The Sequoia is slightly less hained And then we're going to paint the wheels And it'll be even lessy Once again Doug modifies his cars

Yeah Everybody's like, you don't modify your cars? And I'm thinking myself, I modified all of my cars. Just minor. This is a rare instance when unmodifying, or modifying it to remove the things actually actively improves the look. Yeah. But my opinion, you got a waste to go. He hates this thing so much.

He also could have chosen a different color. So uncharming. The E39M5 didn't work for my needs. That's unfortunate for you. It really is. Okay, we're going to move on to our market report. our market report for the day. Great.

All right. Philippo is going to lead us off. All right. Can we talk about superts for just a second? Supras. You're speaking about the Mark 4th? I'm talking about Mark 4 super specific. Oh, my favorite.

Earlier this week, we sold a super turbo, but an automatic super turbo. Yeah. With real miles. Yeah. For 61, whatever the final price was. What a bargain. That's so much money for a... 62.

How many miles? How many miles? How many miles? It was like a real car. What you don't understand about this car. The guy had owned it for like decades. I get why the Super is cool. It's not a good enough car to merit the price.

That's why I want a tip and a auto. Right. But like I, they're cool. I get how they became iconic. But the market says. And this is a turbo, which is nice. But why? Because it's an icon.

It's cool. You think the 355 is good? No, I think it's overpriced. You think the Kootjosh is good? You think the Kootjush is worth $600? Kuntash is maybe. No, certainly not. I think you're insane for spending anywhere.

But that's an icon, and this is an icon. This is what icons cause. But this car is an icon. Do you agree with that? Paul Walker. Fast and the furious. RIP. More than you can afford, pal.

Right, but you know what he was driving? A manual one. Okay. Okay, well, what do you think? Manual should be 100, and then auto should be 4 grand. That's never going to happen. You can stick swap it. Me and Kenan can stick swap it in 30 minutes.

It's a couple cold ones. I am not somebody that has, I don't have any kind of connection. to coolness, or heritage. Or like, this doesn't say, doesn't like speak to me. Do you therefore think that maybe you shouldn't be commenting on,

625 for a four-speed automatic, like, buy an SC-400 at that point for seven grand. You could make this, you could make this argument all down the line. What else came to the TJZ? You could make this argument all down the line for so many cars. The engine is not the only icon.

It's part of the icon, But it's the wing, it's the styling, it's the fame that it was in the movie. You drive around in a Mark 4, you are king of what? The world. How is he saying this? Now, Kenan's not a Mark 4 guy, but he gets the point of an icon. I respect the mark 4. I never got to say the more than you can afford Palmyve 35 to a Mark 4, but I wanted to.

Even I wanted to do that. Because that car is worth more than my... But, you know, actually not in this particular case, but generally speaking, now, You joke about putting a baseball cap over the shifter. You want to pay $6.2.5 and have to buy a baseball cap? This car has already been stick swapped. I promise you. This car has already been stick swapped.

I mean, I, you know, I appreciate the... I'm glad we had it on the site. Glad it did well. That just seems like a lot of money. It's an icon. Listen, let me tell you something. What happens to cars is that as they get older, the desirable ones start to get valuable,

regardless of their performance, whatever is that you're thinking is the measurement. I don't actually, I've mentally thinking through, how would I determine how much a car is worth? Right. And I don't have an answer. It's based on how many people love it and remembered it as a kid and loved it then and et cetera, et cetera. NSX is of 250 horsepower. I mean, it's an emotion. Right.

And what it stirs in you. That's right. It becomes about passion. And a lot of people agree with you. You go online, people are like, I can't believe people are paying $100 grand for a Supra. But people are paying $100 grand for a Supra. But the market has dictated this is what it's worth. Yeah, people love it.

It's an icon. I think it's insane. Do you think that everything's true? Yes, clearly, because the things have slowed down and these haven't. I was hoping they'd come down because I really want one. Why? Because they're so cool. Buy a Selica.

No, look at my cars. Buy a Camry coop. You could say that about CarGGT. Buy a Boxer Spider. I would. Yeah, you would, but I want an iconic card. That's part. Like, I want to go into my garage and be like, I cannot believe I own this car.

And if you have a Selica GTS with the action package, Yeah. That was a great car actually. But it wasn't a Mark 4. Right. And that's what people do. I think air-cooled are insane. People spend $150 grand for air-cooled 9-11s. Do you know how many they made? There are four bazillion air-cooled 9-11s.

There's more air-cooled 9-11s than Malibu Maxes. I mean, yeah. I think that's insane, but that's what the market says. It's an icon. He's not going to accept this. You would not spend this kind of money, but a lot of people would and somebody did. It is. I thought it was a good result. Even when he brought up to the market, I thought it brought a lot of money.

I just showed. I mean, it's a one-owner car. It's rare to find him in this condition. One-owner from New since 1994 is wild. It was one-owner since 97. He bought it. He bought it off a lease. It was 27 years old.

Yeah. It's amazing. It's wild. Get why I brought the money. It just seems like a lot of money. That's how, you think 30 mil for a 250 GTO? How about that? I mean, that's what happens.

These cars become iconic. 250 pontoon fenders are 20. 25 mills. That's a lot of money. Yeah. I remember you could get a pontoon for a whole lot less than that. When I was a kid, they had a pontoon. Nobody wanted them. Why would you get that when you get a 250 GTE? No, he would say pontoon 250 for 20 million. Why get that when you could get a California tea for 67 grand used?

Lots of cross shopping between this. Callag teeth are sadly too. That's what he's thinking. That's the argument he's making. You're in the wrong headspace. Taking his argument to a logical conclusion, that's basically what he's saying. Okay, Kenon, give us something interesting. Yes.

So I recently, we watched the, I've been watching 9-8-1, you know, generation cars pretty closely because I really want one. This 981 came in GT4, sold 500 miles on it. Do you see this car? Never driven. 6-speed manual, buckets, like really nice back car sold for 110. The reason that's interesting to me is that we have also sold, we've sold a number of these cars. But like, for instance, we sold one that was, you know, I got to type them. No, this one, this red one right here.

Yeah, that's right one. Perfect example. 10,000 miles, 1075. And this was sold in August of last year, not really not long ago. Yeah. And so I have ascertained two things from this. One, the market on these is cooling. They're still excellent cars, very desirable. But, you know, there is a current GT4.

You can still get a manual, so these are definitely cooling. And two, drive your car and enjoy it. This guy, whoever owned this, it was never used, sat around undercover undoubtedly. Maybe driven to cars and coffee every now and again. He didn't even, for his picture. he backed it into the driveway. Technically, didn't even complete the mileage, I don't think, for the engine breaking. I think a thousand miles is what you need.

So go back to that red one. So that red one, that red one had 10,000 miles. So the guy got 10,000 miles basically for free relative to a zero-mile car. One thing I think about these cars, and I've noticed it with C5-0-6s-2, the market doesn't reward a concours quality zero, because that's not why people buy them. And so it's like, I have a no mile. It's like, okay, I mean. Well, that might be special.

special 30 years from now. Yeah, that's right. But it's not currently. And Porsche also made a lot of these cars. So it's not like it's an uncommon, it's not like condition warrant, you know, a nice condition low mileage one is an outlier. It just isn't at this day. It's not that old. I mean, 500 miles is definitely an outlier, but a nice condition one isn't. Yeah, like you could buy a 10,000 mile car. And then there's less guilt. And so I've noticed that on the, especially on the performance cars that there's a lot of, the C5-0-6 is there's not that many, but there's enough. That the mileage, the market doesn't reward the difference between a 5,000 mile car and a 20,000

mile car. So why don't you just take those free miles? Yeah, enjoy it. Have fun with it. Fundamentally, especially at GT4, it's not the most special one. There were more special versions if you want to preserve one, if you want it to be a collector of them. It's an 8-year-old car. It's an 8-year-old performance car that you want to drive. You're not going to

keep under wrap in your garage. Why buy the 500-mile one? Yeah, you should, right. That's right. And I think just a used car. I think people are buying it for that, for that reason, to drive. And so they look at this and say, 500 miles, that doesn't do me any good. Like you said, in 30 years when we're at Concours, as 500 mile GT4 will be a special car. But that's only because at that time, there will be two that have kept like that. Go back, by the way, one other interesting thing

about these. This is interesting. This is a 718 that sold for the same money with 12,000 miles. So what does that say? Does the market not really distinguished between the 718 and the 9-81? They look very similar. He thinks they're the same. It's interesting. Of course, they have different engines and a lot of change between the two. But, yeah, But it goes back to that page showing all the overall results. That's an interesting thing. I mean, obviously the 20, the 718 has more miles.

But you get the point. Like, Gt4 in general is a valuable car, and the market doesn't just seem to distinguish that much. Right. And we'll see how that, you know, continues to unfold over time. I mean, because this one, here's one that's been modded with 30,000 miles still brought 90 for a 981. And then this one, a 718 with low miles, probably is 110. The spread is low.

I mean, a GT4, the market kind of says a Gt4 is a GT4. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. It's interesting. They see it the same way he does. He just can't tell the difference. That's exactly right. You're not wrong.

I want to talk about one other thing. I was going to talk about 9-8-1s myself, which have gotten very cheap. Type in 981 and just take a look. They have gotten cheap, a boxer especially. Yeah, if you just sold, it was actually a box that we just sold. But if you click on lowest price, if you just type in 981 and don't click on a car. Yeah. And then type, go to lowest price.

We just sold this one here for 21 grand. I know. And we're getting, that's, that's interesting. And it hit me, as I was looking at these, now type in Range Rover and make 13 the first year. Oh. This will be interesting to you. Actually, you have to type in the, you have to do the model because we don't want sports. So click on that first one.

Yeah, exactly. And then start at 13. Something interesting that I realized with these, these are starting to get, yeah, go to lowest price now from here. These are starting to get cheap too. Yeah. Whoa. And that wasn't the case. These held their value better than the one I had for a long time, but they're starting to

get now into the high teens and low 20s and something something interesting hit me. Are they less desirable or something? No, the V8s in general people are a little anxious about but all of the early ones had V8s. Wow. The thing that started to hit me about these, O4 Rich, is kind of becoming 13 rich. If you can get a 13 Boxer for 20 and a 13 range for 20, this is, that's, we're getting time cycles on. I remember when this range body, the L4.05 first came out and I remember seeing it in a

dealer in Atlanta and I was driving my L322 at the time and I have a picture of them next to each other was the coolest thing in the world and now like the same prices when you bought you yeah this is it this is how the cycle of time and so O4 rich is becoming 13 rich the 13 cars are now and the reason this is notable is because during COVID they stayed they all were stayed expensive so it's like oh these things haven't depreciated it they've depreciated now we're certainly see yeah we're certainly seeing normal natural depreciation is like really coming back into its own yeah that Kikora stone metallic, gorgeous color.

23 grand. Yeah, how unreliable? The V8 ones had this problem with the timing chains, but if you fix it and the Land Rover dealers can fix it now in like an afternoon with a couple of cold ones, then it's not an issue anymore. I know. It looks so cool.

You look rich. Yeah, you look rich. I see what you're like, oh. Because it doesn't, because it kept this body style until yesterday, and even the new one to a normal person doesn't really look all that different. That's a great looking. Have you seen it? Like, you see any one from the front?

you're not sure. I'm sure, but you are. I'm sure too, but like... Yeah, canon isn't. No, I've, no. Okay. Tail answer, clear. O-4 Rich has become 13 rich.

Nice. Okay, I want to move on to questions because questions are important to us, and we love questions. Remember, you can ask us questions if you go to cars and bids.com, click the communities tab. We will have a post, and you can ask your questions, and we will answer the most upvoted ones. Except for the next few weeks, I will be out of town, and we pre-recorded some episodes with some old questions. But then we'll be right back to it on. June whatever. Anyway, first question comes from sob enthusiast. Ooh, my favorite kind of person. Doug, will you collaborate with Scotty Kilmer?

Filippo, tell us about Scottie Kilmer. He's a car YouTuber. Never watched a Scotty Kilmer video. He says that everything is unreliable except for... You've never watched a Scotty Kilmer video? He says that everything is unreliable except for some Toyotas, which I think are okay. He's also quit and died many, many times. He's YouTube career. Scottie is one of the craziest people and it's, no, I won't collaborate with him because he's kind of bizarre, but he's, I, he actually doesn't like me. He's called me out a few times for this or that, but I think he probably is kind of forgotten about, like, he doesn't, he's kind of all over the place, and I suspect he doesn't, like,

have a grudge. I think he just, that day, that was the content he was making. But boy, what an unusual person. My understanding is he now lives in Rhode Island. Oh, which seems right. What did he live before? He lived in Texas for a long time. That doesn't seem right. Yeah. I find it fascinating that somebody whose name is sobbed enthusiast asked about Scotty Kilmer because I'm sure Scottie Kilmer doesn't like I think that Scottie Kilmer has become kind of a meme to car enthusiasts I think the people watching him are not car enthusiasts yeah well yeah right and I think a large portion of the people watching him are just watching because he kind of yell like his whole thing is like wow

I can't believe this person has a car right I was really hoping the question was going to be about energy sob nine hundreds but no unfortunately okay next question glam 13 what new vehicle do you think would make the best first car for a new teen driver if you had a 16 year old child, what car would you buy the vehicle? Yeah, he asked about a new vehicle. I have a clear answer. Oh, okay. Toyota Corolla hybrid. 23 grand. Done. Okay. Okay. I'm not even joking. It just is.

Yeah, that feels pretty right. Generally, the Crollola is always a good answer. And like, it's practical enough to have it for forever, fuel efficient. I like my 16 year old and something a little bigger. Then a Corolla hybrid? Yeah, some little safer, a little bigger. That's not... I was thinking Hummer H1 limo.

New call? I would commission it to be done. Hummery V is also an offer. Yeah, bigger. Bigger. 1,001. No, the answer to this is Lexus RX.

Not new, but used. You can get one for nine. They're reliable. Whatever the nine buys you. I bet a new Kurola is safer than a 04 RX 330. Hmm. Probably.

And also, by the way, I don't know why I'm selling. The B is telling me to sell the Krola, hybrid. This podcast brought to you by Toyota has safety cents 3.0. Safety cents 3.0, a great feature. The same type that you're, that's a quite has. A fantastic suite of features that includes something that won't run over pedestrians, sort of. Other options, if you're going used. How much did you sell your wife's old XC-60 for? How much did you sell? 24, 25, something like that. But those are unreliable. That car was turbo supercharged. Only if you bought

with a only who bought a Mustang that he took to the T8 was turbo supercharged. Mine wasn't turbo supercharged?

No, I'm sorry. This whole time I thought it was turbo-sour. I'm glad you know so much about all the cars in your life.

This is what happens at cars and coffees though. People get in their head that their cars turbo supercharged. And then they tell people that and they just

parent that wrong, by the way. And then they look inside and no, that's not. My favorite question is that T5 was neither.

T6 was one of them. Turbo. T8 was both. They didn't just have a supercharged car. It was either turbocharged or turbo-supercharged. I don't know what the answer to this is in terms of a new car.

I wouldn't buy a teen driver a new car, to be honest. I think that that's kind of insane. But a used car, there's so many. Get them like a toy-o-ya. What about a Rav-4 hybrid? Sure, whatever. Yeah. What about you?

Do you agree with this? Rev.4 hybrid? No, he would say at E-39, 530. 5-28, 525, I, with a manual that they'll run into a school teacher. Was it great, was a great movie in that car never hit a school teacher? Yeah, he hit a schoolteacher in his M-5. Right, sorry. I mean, she had the honor of being...

Get your kid a car less powerful than an M5, and you will avoid them. You know, there's something to that, like, uh, also... But when I got the M5, admittedly, I mean, I was so... I didn't, like, want... I was afraid of using the performance because I loved cars so much. Yeah. And that actually probably maybe be a more conservative driver overall. But I'm not saying every...

Definitely no, not... Every teenager's like that. That's my friend Ryan, his first car was in D339M5. We were actually pretty conservative with that for a long time. The mechanics they was getting carbon. up and had to be more aggressive with it and the speeding tickets and now he won't drive it and now he won't drive in the rain or actually i'll just leave it yeah um okay next question from better luck next time what car brand is making the most obvious mistakes oh uh and needs a dug de murro

consultation oh man the answer we all agree i think the aspark owl oh the aspark owl that there's no mistakes right right that is a masterpiece that is a masterpiece what brand were you going to say nisson i missibishi but missibis i missibis don't know missibis is done. So presume they're done. There's no saving them. There's no saving them. You know what I think actually? Nissan. Nissan. I know I think it needs you more than that? Nissan. Lincoln.

Because Lincoln has potential. They have potential. Ford had Volvo, Aston Martin, Land Rover, and they're like, no, we're going to sell them and focus on Lincoln. And then what they gave us was the Corsair. Which is great. And the Nautilus, which is great.

But like, Coursier's not great. The Nautilus is great. The aviator was great five years ago. You know that, but seemingly no consumer does, so that they kind of need some advice. It's a marketing issue more than anything. I agree with you about Lincoln. Unfortunately, the answer is still Nissan. Look, dude, Nissan canceled the X-Dera the day before the off-roading craze took off. And they've had...

They kept it running for 14 years and the same generation before that point. They did. They kept running for 14 years. It didn't work. They were like, we're done. The off-roading craze took off, and they're like, eh, no, we're going to wait and see. We're going to see if this really... And then, after 11 years, when Toyota was eating their life...

and Honda came out with an off-road version of the pilot called The Passport. Nissan finally is, and everybody. I mean, Chevy had the ZR2 and Ford came out with the Raptor, and the G-Wagon has been on a waiting list for 20 years. Nissan finally decides, we're going to dip, we're going to get back into this. And they come out with an off-road version of the Pathfinder called the... I have no idea. And that is, and by the way, that's only the first of many issues I could raise with Nissan.

Nissan sells cars, though. To rental fleets, profitless. Yeah, that's true. I mean, they sell cars to keep the lights on in the building, so the building people can make more cars that they can sell to keep. That's not something. That's like in the small town when the kid becomes the school teacher

and then teaches the next kid to become the school teacher. It's the same thing. Same cycle. You got to make some money. Right. Right. This is what we're all here for. This is a corporation.

So what would you do, Denise? Or would you be your first act? All right. I would get rid of the Titan, which they may have already done. I would get rid of the, I would make the frontier, I would make an off-roady, TRD Proe version of the Frontier. That's insane if it does. And the Frontier has the Pro 4X.

But it's trash, and it should be as good as the TRD Pro. But they're conservative. We see what Toyota's doing. It's very successful. We're not going to do that. Remember what on Nissan did an updated frontier that had the engine from the new one, but nothing else changed? That was wild.

Yeah, what happened with that? Then they have a new generation now. I would make the, bring back the Xtera. They have a ton of brand value and reputation. there. They've made off-roaders forever. I would make the patrol good. I would call it the patrol. Because it has a ton of equity in that name, even though they don't realize

it does. I would not call the rogue sport, the rogue sport. It's a totally different car. I would call it something else. Unfortunately, it's been cancelled because they mismanaged that. Would you call it the... Quascai. No. Whatever it is it in other markets? Kashkai. I wouldn't call it that either. I would call

it the Toyota goat. And... The Nissan Toyota goat. Is she there? I would do a lot of great stuff. Whatever Toyota's doing, I would do that. Just make hybrids. Are there hybrids?

Make hybrids. There are no hybrids. There was a rogue hybrid that used to Toyota's technology. There was a Pathfinder hybrid. There was a rogue hybrid. There was all five hybrid. They were all gone. I was on the Pathfinder hybrid launch.

Remember? Infinity. Oh, that's the other one. Yeah. And then there's infinity. And then there's infinity. Yeah. I would take on infinity with this.

And I would basically go in there to the Infinity building. And I'd say, you're all, fired, we're shutting this brand down. This brand has been a brand for 25 years, and unfortunately we've gotten nowhere. And we have to now put a stop to it. When did the J30 come out? The Infinity brand debuted for the 91 model year with the Q45. That's right.

Which was, that generation was basically a Lexus L.S. And do you remember the other 91 Infinity? It was actually two others. I'll give you either. The G20. Yeah, that was one of them. The first gen G20, the Nissan Primera. And this is the hard one.

There's people screaming it at you on them. I assume the version of the maxima. Think about what Lexus had. So Lexus had the LS, which was the Q45. This can all be edited out. The ES, which was the G20, and the SC, which was the infinity. What did they call it? Because Infinity, even then, didn't have any original thoughts.

Right now they have, they have changed their naming structure so many times. It's not going to get me anywhere. The M20. Yeah, the M30 is what it was called. Yes. The four-filner version would have been that. Right. It had existed.

The Nissan Leopard. Okay, next question. Why does the Nissan GTR cost so much from Boomhorn, this question comes from? Why does the Nis-T-R cost so much? It's approaching its 20s, and it still goes over $50,000 for 100,000 miles. Why don't they be affordable? Which is what they were new in 2004, in 2008, 9 when they came out. What happened with Nissan, the GTR was they came out at 60 grand.

Yeah, $69,000. And every year they bumped the price and it was such a value and every year they bumped the price like four grand and hope nobody would notice and by the end they're like a hundred and fifty thousand dollars and so the reason they're still so expensive is new ones are now and fifty grand technically we have a new generation new facelift again they're the one that came out last year I mean yeah they are there has to be a replacement coming at some time they announced one but that it's not a replacement. It's like it's a faith left point. Yeah it's This year was the last year of the existing. You know what it should be? It should be electric with simulated gears.

What car should they simulate? Itself. I mean, R34. RB26 is what people want to hear. So you said it to an RB. That's exactly right. Okay. Okay.

There, we've solved Nissan. We've solved Nissan. Oh, by the way, I would cancel the GTR and the 370 Z. They don't have time or whatever that's called the Z. They don't have time to be doing things like that. I think they put them that much work. Can I ask you a question about the Z? Remember when you had it and the reverse camera was seemingly pulled off of a 1997 pop finder?

They just won't spend money. And that's, and they've, by not spending money, they have cut costs themselves into this situation. They have taken risk, they haven't spent money. They've just had bad conservative leadership, except for the fellow who escaped Japan in a suit. Strong leader. Strong leader. Creative at least. Last time I was in Japan, I left via airplane.

Although he did two, actually. I was seated. He had no choice. Here's an interesting thought about the Nissan inside the tuba case. I have a question about this. Driving around the other day and I got behind a challenger and there's challenges everywhere. They're everywhere. Challenges Mustangs.

Why do you never see a Z? Well, what? It's so true. Why don't they become the challenger? Well, why don't they just... It's too expensive for that. Here's a thought for Nissan. Go to a Chrysler dealer, which I know is a decision.

But go to a Chrysler dealer and be like, okay, this is what they do. We're going to straight up copy it. I mean, it's a good start to go to a dealer that doesn't sell the car your reference. Chrysler Dodge Jeep dealers are the same. I know. But like, get it right. You get my point. Why don't they just do whatever it is that makes the Challenger sell?

I don't know what it is, but just do that. Incredible amounts of incentive and cash on the hood. They do that anyway. These one does that anyway. So if you're going to do that, why not make a million cars instead of a thousand cars? If you're going to make no money on each one, build more. Build more. If you're going to make $6 per car, wouldn't you rather make $6 million than $6,000?

Do you remember when Doug was giving you a Nissan? Do you remember when Doug was giving you advice on what to do? I hope you stop listening. I'm not totally wrong about this. Mustings and challengers are everywhere. Nissan also makes a car in this segment. It is nowhere. The way to solve that problem is to do whatever it is that Ford and Dodge do to make their Mustings and Challengers everywhere.

I think they already have that strategy, which is sell them to Enterprise. No, challengers. Dude, there are challengers everywhere. We live near a murray. I got two more questions. Yeah, it's very true. Two more questions, and they're both really good. Okay.

Number one, R076. Question for Doug. If you were to sell the career of GT, would you sell it no reserve on cars and bids? Would you get the full value of what the car's worth? Yes. I absolutely would, and I have absolutely no doubt that the car would sell for all the money. Yep. I don't really plan to sell it on cars and bids.

Or anywhere. Ever. No, that's not true. I will definitely sell that car one day. prepare yourself. People will always freak out when anyone sells a car. I want to prepare everybody that I will someday sell this car. I'm setting that expectation now. Okay, fine. Last question, it's not a good one. Thank you for contributing with your question. From VT jumper, is Doug the type of guy to ever update the silhouette of the Grand Cherokee in the animation that starts his videos?

If he was that type of guy, what would the new silhouette be? That's why it's not a good question. It is the L322 Rangerover, which is the car that essentially kicked off my YouTube channel. That's why it's that. Right. My neighbor drives an L322 Ranger. Unfortunately, he's moving to South Carolina this week. And I'm very sad to no longer see one in my daily life. That one is the right color, too.

Isn't it Geverne over oatmeal? Yeah. Great. Magnolia? I don't remember. Whatever. The green over tan. The reason I asked this question, though, is what type of car would you put is the silhouette?

Cundash. Oh, yeah. Doors. Only Cuntosh gone on it? Alternative fun. Sequoia. Mm. Cammo Fenders.

Nah. You got to even have to accentuate those in the image. I just add little things. The fenders blend into the background. The fenders would be negative space. Kuntash is a clear right answer, though. God, those camo fenders. Yeah, the most recognized.

Well, Craig G2 would be fun to have a pull and have a window up. That would be kind of cool. It would. Some people, when I announced that I wanted to get rid of the fenders, some people, I like the fenders. well that's a decision um and there you go

is that a podcast I think that's a podcast that's a podcast thank you everyone for playing or whatever it is that we're doing we will see you next week but it will be pre-recorded

so we won't take your live questions but we'll have them again soon yeah Kenon any parting thoughts Emily's fine Emily's doing great but you know when you have to say that people worry

what is what is her job again she's just a teacher who says, he's a teacher. She's a zookeeper. He doesn't want to say it. That's why they live up near the zoo. She teaches the zoo. Goodbye everyone. Goodbye everyone. She teaches the zoo.