THIS CAR POD! with Doug DeMuro & Friends! - Are YouTubers Controlling the Values of Cars? All the Cars Dead for 2025! and MORE!

Episode Date: October 25, 2024

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Oh, and welcome to this car pod. I'm Kenan. I'm Philippo. And there's a lot to talk about today. Let's get right into it, starting with the news. Jaguar, noted automaker that does not build any cars, has built two cars. It's a record. Jaguar announced a couple of months ago that they're taking some time off of building cars,

like someone who graduates from a strenuous college would maybe take a year off to be a ski instructor and veil. So, but Jaguarian. Our Classic, which is apparently something, has built two E-types for a very wealthy customer in Southeast Asia. And they're the first new E-types that they've built since the 70s. Here's an interesting thing that I think. Yeah. This wealthy person in Southeast Asia, the E-type is the most frequently restored, easiest to find the car. That's a thing.

But instead, like, what did they charge this dude? They probably charged in the year's worth of revenue that they're missing from not building cars. Yeah. A brilliant move, actually. They already knew what they were doing. They should just build one-offs for rich Hong Kong people. What's fascinating is a couple years ago, five years ago, ten years ago, I don't know. They did some like restoration where they took an exhibit, like Jaguar themselves, fully restored and kind of called it a new version of it.

This was ground up. It ground up the actual thing. Yeah. Apparently it took 2,000 hours of work, which let's do the math. That's, 2,000 hours of work. How much did you charge? Some of this stuff is probably they had to create, you know, from the, right. If it really was ground up, like, nobody's making wire wheels in it.

How did they even get, et cetera, et cetera, like you can get through all that. What's interesting is, you know, $500 an hour, I don't know what Jaguar would charge for their consulting fee. What's that? A million. A million? Yeah. Oh, they charged a lot more than a lot more than a million. That's a lucrative than selling F-paces. This leads, yeah.

This leads to the obvious question. I'm not selling F-paces, otherwise. This leads to the obvious question, which is, would they build me an XJ-22220? But with the actual, the actual. desired engine. Well, maybe with a V12, maybe with the Cizor Doors, or maybe just an X220 priced correctly, which is at the like $140,000 mark.

I'll bet you the answer's no. But it is interesting. I also think, I have two thoughts on this. One is like it clearly is to show off what their classic division can do. The fact they can build from the ground up two new examples is pretty well. Porsche did a similar thing with the 993

a couple years ago. Aston Martin did a thing too with the, I think, the DB5. But the other thing to me is like, here's a chance to own a reliable E-type. Probably let me type. Yeah. One would think, I'm very well,

could be wrong, but one would think with modern technology putting these cars together better built than maybe they were doing when this car was new. Well, and it says their

electronic fuel injection. Yeah, and they have a five-speed manual. They have a Bluetooth. Now, I noticed their right-hand drive, which probably is Hong Kong. So maybe you'll see, if you live in Hong Kong,

maybe you'll see them driving around. Now, Porsche keeps making Career GT updates. Like, if you can send them your CareerGT and they'll update it. Really? How much? They are heinous.

They are heinous. Every single, one they've made has been the most heinous thing you could possibly imagine. Like green with green wheels and green seats and green shift lever and a yellow steering. You have a duty to our listeners to call Porsche and say, hey, I have a courage of you. Because you do. And be like, what can I do? How much would it charge?

They'd be like, well, if you want it green with green seats, we still got some of that lying around. If you want heinous with heinous, heinous over heinous. Because back in the career GT team was new, there wasn't a lot of personalization stuff. And so not a lot of people did it. And now that personalization has become like the big thing with Porsche, all these rich guys They're like, I want to make mine green with green seeds. And they're too rich to stop themselves. The taste does not factor in.

And Porsche announces every year or so. We did another one. And it's like, oh, that's even worse than last year. They're all terrible. Okay. What's our next story? Oh, my God. Oh, my goodness.

Wow. Okay. All right. There are a lot of cars that are dead for 2025. Dead for 25? I would like to go through a list. All right, go through the list. Do you want to guess any?

Yeah, I've already read the list. And it's an amazing list. list. It's every Maserati. Have you noticed that? I haven't looked at the list in the days. Car and driver publishes a list every year of the cars that are dead, and we've pulled it up because it's very interesting. All right. What do you got? What do you got? Do you want to guess any? It is literally every Maserati, except for the Gracale and the Grand Tourismo on the MC20. But like the Quattroporte is gone, the Levante is gone, the Ghibli is gone, which was like their bread and butter cars. How's the Levante gone? Right. It's the only Missouri I see around.

Yeah. It was, the answer is it was on sale for a while, and they can't afford to redesign it, so it's just gone. What else is on this list? The Audi A5, S5, RS5. The two doors.

The two doors. The coups and caps. Because there is a new sport back, which is the replacement for the A4. Right, right. They're still going to go with those. And bad news for Kenan to Shurone no longer for sale. Yes, going to be replaced soon by the Tourbillon.

Yes, V-16 as opposed to the W. They do their customers. Bad news for people that. just enlisted in the army, the Camaro is no longer available starting in 2025. Not wrong. Camaro's gone, but they're going to redesign it and come out with another one soon. Hopefully it'll be an electric SUV. I'm trying to think about what they will actually build.

They're going to do another one. Will they? Yeah, they'll do another one. The Mustang's still going strong. They'll do another Camaro. There are two Ferrari models that are gone. Yes. Super seated.

It'll be the 812 and the F8, I assume. The F8 spider, yeah, the very least, yes. And I will give you one more. Do you want to, you know, keep going. This is interesting. What else he got?

The Mirage. Yeah, the Mirage is gone. Finally. It took 15 years. Very sadly the mini clubman. The mini clubman is gone? Dead. Man,

when is that brand just done? I haven't seen any new mini EVs around, have you? They're going to cut their way to growth. I'm trying. If you remove products that nobody buys, fundamentally, but the problem is nobody has any of their products. And so all these dealerships,

remember the Let's Motor, they had all those cool ads. They had a great little game on their website. That was like a little go-core thing. Yeah. When is the clubmen coming to the... No, sorry, when is the countryman coming to the U.S.? Is it not already here?

The new one? I don't think so. The new one? Yeah, I don't know. It's not a beautiful vehicle. It's not beautiful. I saw them in Europe this summer. They're okay.

I always love the countrymen because people hate it. Because it's like many, but it's big. Why are it so big? But it's like a crossover is inherently boring, and that one isn't. And so if you're going to get a crossover, that's like fun to drive. Wasn't? You think the new one is? It's got bigger and uglier.

Well, you ever seen a Have you seen what a countryman looks like? No. You ever seen a Hyundai Tucson? Yeah, it's beautiful. It has to like the grill things and the The thing. Grill things.

That is both insane and accurate. Oh, there were some for sale. There were some for sale. That doesn't look so bad. No, it doesn't look as bad as I remember. The rear is not great though, I think, if I recall. Yeah, look to the left there. Yeah, it's not as it's not as good as it was.

But it's still like, what are you going to get? A Mazda CX-30? I kind of get like teleorine. I'm going to tell you're going to get a Kia Seltos? I would. You would. God, you drive around. The Nissan Titan is gone.

The Titan's finally gone. It came out in 05. 20 years Nissan tried to participate. And for 20 years, the market said no. And for 20 years, they tried. And now they're finally done. I will give you one. I'll give you two last ones, because they're ones I care a lot about.

The GTR. The GTR is dead. The Hurricant. Yep. F type. All Jags. All Jags. All Jags.

All Jax. Except for the E type. Some of these have apparently. These types right back on. A Toyota is dead. Do you want to guess what it is? Venza. Correct.

Well done. Yeah. The Venza is dead. That lasted for God. Kenan is a lot. What a shame? Care about us and our things. We care.

We care a lot. What else? Give us a new more. It doesn't really dead. It's just been renamed. The Kia Forte. The forte is now called the K-4. And I've seen them around.

Yeah, same. They're also not beautiful vehicles. Canon, you don't care about these cars. They're dead. The Venza, they did one. It was bad. People bought it, but it was bad. They canceled it.

They came out with it again. It was bad. People didn't buy it, and they canceled it. Oh, okay. You know, in nature. It's going to be a survival. Die. And, you know, now, of course, like, the cars that I care about are just superseded.

They're just replaced by their successes. I know. The list of cars that are dead is always, I'm always skeptical. The Hurricant isn't dead. It's replaced by the, John Tamarian. But Jaguar, dead. We can all agree. Infinity, basically, the Q50 is on this list, too.

Oh, yeah, that's right. The Q50's gone. But the Khmer is a little sad. Let me ask you a question. Should the GTR have been in Infinity? Like, the NSX was an Akira? No, that was the correct marketing decision. No, I think it was the right move.

But remember when the NSX was an Akira? I do. And it could have been a Honda. Like, it was everywhere else. Right. But it was an Akira. Same with the. Same with the, same with the,

same with the Atera. Accura. Integra. Besides that. R.SX. Accura. Honda Inspire. Honda Windham.

What do you need from me? The TSX was sold as a cord in every other market. The EL. The CSX. Remember those? Yes. You remember the Accura CSX? Of course, it's the Civic in Canada.

Yep. What kind of question is that? The non-GTR skyline was, of course, the G-35 and G-37. Which was an infinity. So why didn't they give us the... I bet the G-T-R fan had had been an infinity. They did. sold 10x and still be going today.

They weren't ready to ramp up Infinity badge production to that quantity. Right. They're only ready to make 14 to 18 of them a year. Okay, give us the next thing. What's the next thing? Ooh, some sort of... Yeah, the Jomi SU-7. This is a Chinese Porsche Tycon.

And guess why it is in the news today without looking at our document? No, it is in the news. I saw this tweet. The CEO of Ford said he's driving around in one. I thought he said he was in an SUV. he had been you think because it's SU7 that it would be the

SUV so he the I mean that's seven looks like a V like when you flip it oh that's I see it's like a boomerang

I mean like it's what you would name an SUV you'd be honest you agree with me Jim Farley who's the CEO Ford I wouldn't name anything

the Xiaomi SU 7 well they make a lot of cell phones they made sense at the time no matter what McClure it's not what I would name

an SUV so Jim Farley He said he's driving around in this car. He was in the news a month or so ago because he went to China on a trip and came back and said, my God, the Chinese are building way better cars than we are. They brought over, I don't know, six, nine months ago, a year ago, this SU7 as a test vehicle, as manufacturers do. They buy cars from competitors, they're around testing.

He said in an interview this week that he spent the last six months pretty much daily driving the SUV seven and loves it. It's interesting, though. Like, it's a great, I think it's a great sign that a manufacturer, especially one that is as internationally notable as Ford is. They sell cars all over the world. It's important that they are aware of competitors outside of the Chevy Equinox EV. Right.

I mean, Detroit is a bubble, and this is as far as the bubbles you can get. I agree with Farley about Chinese electric cars. You know, it's interesting. Everybody's all Tesla Tesla, but in China, it's, what is it? Balfeng? What is the company that is so popular? What is it? It's not Bofeng.

I had that one. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, the Build Your Drew, BOD. Okay, we'll go back to, we'll do some creative editing. I think that was acceptable. Okay, but anyway, but everybody's like Tesla Tesla, in China, B-YD is like this hot thing, and they have all these cars. Yeah.

And they have all sorts of tech. Yeah. And I'm on all sorts of Chinese car Instagrams, and I love them. And there's a lot of cool cars in China. There's a lot of cool cars. And it used to be that, like, you had to sell in North America if you wanted to be a really successful automaker because the market was so large.

And so, like, the French companies were never going to be, like, at that level of success because they weren't selling here. Now the Chinese companies can just ignore America. Their market, there is so large. They don't care if we buy their cars enough.

They don't need... If you're successful in China, that's really all you need to be. Yeah. Because there's all these regulatory requirements and all these other markets. And it's interesting that Farley thought this was a cool car

and is driving around on it. I'm curious how other people would respond to them. They certainly have amazing tech. Giant screens everywhere. You should get on these Chinese car Instagram. I can't. have to join a moment. I can't understand any of it, right? But the pictures are cool. Yeah. It's like a three-year-old. The U.S. government and the Canadian government and a lot of

others have taken a stance that we don't want to have Chinese cards in the U.S. We'll put very large tariffs. We'll massively disincentivize it. If we allowed it at all, Canada went a little bit further. Yeah. It's kind of pretty much banned them. So I'm glad, though, that the CEO of the company that is making the third most TVs in the U.S. is at least like paying attention to what other markets and other manufacturers are doing. Right. Right. Because Tesla is number one by far. but Chevy or GM, number two, and EV sales in Q3. This is global.

No, in the US and Q3 with Chevy. It is interesting. All these tiny cars are interesting, and the Americans don't really have any clue what's going on over there, and they are ahead. And, you know, it's also interesting. We are so clinging to combustion engines,

and they are going so far ahead with this EV technology. And when we finally are forced to catch up, they're going to have a huge competitive advantage because we've been so protectionist and so anti-leaving combustion engines. It's like Japan and the 70s with fuel-efficient cars. Yep, that's exactly right.

It's the same thing, over again. So the American automakers at least know that and are trying to... I mean, the Maki is a tremendously competent car, but it's amazing what's going on. You should see the minivans. Can I tell Kenan two true facts about a car called

the Yang Wang U-8? Oh, I love that one. Made by BID? I'll retain these shirt. Go ahead. It is a large SUV. It has 1,200 horsepower. It can float. This is all true. See, what do we? What are we doing?

This is what I'm saying. The Chinese are eating our lunch. They are way ahead. They're building floating cars, and we're driving around in non-floating cars. It could, it's not a lie. It could float for 30 minutes.

If it fences water, it will elevate its suspension, turn off the engine. I'm moving this out of here. Switch its HVAC to recirculation mode and seal the windows. Now, of course, that's great in concept.

I wonder how reliable that is and how it often it actually? How reliable it is. Let's go to a boat ramp. It gets a little wet, and then all of a sudden everything starts changing. Wait, wait.

boat ramp in Shanghai. Let's find out. It can drive 1.8 miles per hour while floating. It's not just floating. It is moving like a boat. Two miles and a hour. Of course, though, if the current is

1.9 miles an hour. You've got a problem, actually. That's an interesting point, because it can only float for 30 minutes. So you get out on the lake. You and me, we take it to a public park in Shanghai, right? We get out on the lake,

like next to some paddle boats that it look like swans. We get out on the lake. Suddenly the wind comes. We're 15 minutes out. The wind comes. Fifteen minutes. We're trying to get back

in our Yang-Wang-U-A-E. two miles an hour, and we're thinking this 1,200 horsepower isn't doing much for us right now. 1,200 horsepower, 1.9 miles a hour. We're fighting that current. We're fighting that current, and all of a sudden, minute 31 comes, and the

Yang Wang slowly starts to sink. And then we have to yell to the people on the swan boats, please. Right, but... Exactly, and I'll just say, shut up, shut up, I'm working Cape Race. Right. Do you remember that famous Veyron video,

where Veron drives a like? Andy House. Wouldn't it happen in a Yangwang U.A.? Wouldn't happen in a Yangwang U-A. People would have just landed and floated. Man, I got to get me a Yang-Wing U-8. Why isn't Jim Farley driving around? There were some Yang-Wing U-8 press cars in the U.S. briefly,

and I was so disappointed that we didn't go on. How can I be involved myself? I don't know. We got a lot of emails that are a little shady about whether you want to do promotions. Well, yeah, it is interesting. The Vietnamese and the Chinese automates and the Chinese automakers, like, want to pay me to review the cars. And I'm like, that's not really how it works.

I'm actually good, thanks. Although I would take money to review a Yang-Wing U-8 and drive it into a late lake. We'd take it into the harbor. Honestly, it wouldn't cost anything. Dude, that would be so cool. We'd go to a boat launch. The one at... Just drive it in.

We'd go to the boat launch, the one in San Diego in the harbor by SeaWorld. And people would be, like, launching their boats off their Dodge Rams, and we would just drive our Yang Wing. You wait right in. And start the timer. Yeah, right.

And people like, what is that? We'd like, Yang Wang! And we'd wave to them and then... And then... It would be so embarrassing. They would do, like, boat donuts around us. passed by like a duck paddling out. But you're in there.

What would happen? 1,200 horsepower SVB. Who cares? All right. Give us the next thing. Give us the next thing. Ah, yes. Finally, something interesting to talk about. So, unfortunately, we couldn't discuss it last week just due to timing. But the Ferrari F80, not the BMW F80. The Ferrari F80 is important. As far as I'm concerned, there is no more BMW F80.

This is the F80. Yes. So this is Ferrari's new supercar. This will succeed the La Farrari. It has a 1,184 horsepower. three-liter twin turbocharged v6. Wait a second. The Yang Wing also has 1,184 horsepower. And this can't float. So, you know, I mean...

Boom your move, Ferrari! Yeah, exactly. I know which one I would buy. Of course, it also has hybrid assist as three electric motors, two driving the front wheels, one for the reset. So it's the first Ferrari supercar to have all-wheel drive, which is interesting. It does zero to 60 reportedly, according to Ferrari,

in 2.2 seconds. And it's going to be about $3.1 million. noise. Again, that's kind of speculative, but you can imagine that's what it'll be. So, however, you don't like it. No. Because it's a V-6. Yeah, that's... Kenan's going to get pulled, drag, kicking and screaming. Fundamentally, the F-80 also went from a larger engine to a smaller engine. Right. That's a tradition.

That's a tradition. That's a traditional name something the F-D. Kenan, I just said the Chinese are eating our lunch with these things. We need to go electric and go smaller engines. The Yang Wing U-U8 floats. Right. Floats. What is that enough to do with the Ferrari F80? Because he's over here complaining.

No, he's over here complaining because the engine's not big enough. Meanwhile, China's like, we don't care about engines. We're making floating cars. They're going to have flying cars. Pretty soon you're going to look up in the sky and Chinese will be flying in.

They don't even need to fly on an airplane. But they get in a Yang way, U12. As we discussed, that's fine for daily usable cars, but this is a Ferrari. This is a piece of automotive. Who cares? It's ultimately the goals to have the best performance possible.

If your Ferrari, add this moment in time. I hate to tell you. A model as a platform has more performance. That's what's insane here. The whole point of a Ferrari's in these supercars is that the people who buy them want an experience. The people that buy them will never drive them and they just want to park them in their garage. That's true.

And say they bought one. That is true. However, who cares? The same Hagar La Ferrari? You couldn't drive it. It was too ugly. Different problem. Actually, similar problem.

It was tan on tan. But there's a quote from the design bus that I want to read. And he said, we didn't want to get carried away. with nostalgic or continuative idea. And that's why we did a V6. Now. And a hideous car. I love that.

Ferrari doesn't do nostalgia. That's the cool thing about Ferrari. They don't do nostalgia. The rear of the F40, the F50, the Enzo share a lot with it. But they're not retro. That was Ferrari moving forward at the time. Now, Ferrari doesn't do nostalgia. They don't do old school designs.

You're right. They don't do nostalgia except for that the SF90 looked like the F8, which looked, they all those look like the four, five, eight. But that's not a retro design from the 60s. That's a new design that they're trying to iterate. You're right. The dodichichichicholindri, yeah, what done. Doesn't look at all like the Daytona.

The 12 cylinder has a, the front is a little Daytona. The 296 has one. Like Ferrari, California with the vent in the hood. That doesn't look like, that's not reminiscent of the one that came from. They are minor retro. Look, you're missing the point. This thing is cool as hell. The SP3 Daytona, which is designed to look for everyone the VAT.

The Icona series. What's a lot of those? SP1, SP3 look like? I want to buy it. Tell me about it. It was supposed to look more like the P3 and the P4. But my point.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. And also the icono. What, what, Ferrari? That's a new idea. No. You're missing the point.

Ferrari is moving forward while you are stuck in the past. You're sitting here like, why don't you give me a V12 and a manual? This thing is the future. I just told you China is making a 1,200 horsepower. Which is, which is faster than this, probably.

It floats. The point of the head is. The point of the head. LFrari is always to push technology, and you're right about that. However, it's just, I think that the Ferrari Supercar Heritage Line ends with the Daytona that came before, the SP3 Daytona. I think that's where, I think it goes 288, F40, 50, Enzo, LaFarrae. It goes F40, F50, Enzo, Daytona SP3.

Those are the big four, as far as I'm concerned. You don't like the 2808. I don't consider the 288. I don't consider the La Ferrari. We'll see about this. I got to drive it. Why did they call the F80? Because, okay, so there was the F40.

Yeah, there was the F50. Then there would have been the F-16 and F-70, but they don't... We called them on their stuff. Right. Now we're back. You're picking up on what they're putting down? So there's a little heritage thing. They don't do heritage.

They're going to make 799 of them. Of course, it's Ferrari, so... They said they're going to make $799? Yes. So they'll make $1,000, and that's before they make a convertible. Right, exactly. They're going to lie and make a thousand of them, and then they'll make a convertible. Yeah, that's probably...

That's wild. They're going to make $2,000, $4,000. No, no. But seriously, they'll make $799 coups. that's 1,000. And then they'll make 500 convertibles. That's 600. Yeah, but they're going to make $1,600.

We're going to see these around. Yeah. Yeah. Which, again, takes away from how special it is because it's... You don't want to see it. I don't. No, I really don't. You like how it looks.

I love how it looks. I like how it looks from the back in particular. I think, like, the, the way it, like, outlines the rear wheels is really cool, which is very much like the SP3. I love how it looks. I think it is so cool. And I haven't been a big fan of Ferrari design language in the post-Penadrenna era, but this,

Oh, look at that. Look at that. Pull that up. I just want, just leave that picture up for the rest of the week. Really? Yeah, look at that. That is, that's a Ferrari super car.

That's kind of cool. This is not boring. First, they went six owners, they put six. That's like, all right. But I think there are a couple of things I like, I kind of like this is like reminiscent

of like a knock a duck is like the idea I think of the design there. It is forward looking, I don't think it's that derivative of anything they've done. Unlike a lot of designs they've done recently. So I actually like, But it is wild that the family hauler SUV, you get an NAV-12. But the supercar, you get a little turbocharged V6.

It's got 1,200 horseback. The Roma has a more special engine. It's got the slightly more, the same horsepower as the Yang-Wing U-8. But the whole point of a Ferrari is like they used to say, what you pay for is the engine, we'd throw in the rest for free. In this case, they get, if it were the engine out of the Formula 1 car, the V6 out of the Formula 1 car, I could get it. Now it's allegedly related to their Lamol winning car.

Sure. But like tangentially, I think. So you're really upset about the... How is this a surprise to you? It's not a surprise. It's just like, I thought it would be, I thought the next would be a twin turbo V8 out of V6. I will tell you this.

The Daytona SP3 is cooler. There's no doubt. No question. The Daytona SP3 is cooler. It's a convertible. They made fewer of them. It looks crazy. It's an NAV12 with no hyper.

It's, they looks crazy. And they'd buy one. How much is the Daytona SP 3? Like right now they're like five in the use market. It's a lot of money. What were they in you? Two and a half. So this is more than MSRP.

MSRP. Also, Ferrari did a demonstration lap this past, weekend where they took the car on and showed people like in Italy. I saw that. And all you heard was, I know. I know. The sound wasn't great.

But this is the future. The Chinese float. The Chinese cars float. Yes, but Ferrari is about emotion and it has no sound, which is the half the reason you buy a Ferrari. Recently I drove a Pinnon Farina Batista. And that car has sound, but it's also electric. And it does zero to 60 in one point one, I don't know, it's fast.

I would rather listen to my 355 or a pretext. producer Sean's Ferrari 360 go around to listen to the sound of an engine and enjoy it, then have no sound at all. It just isn't appealing to me. But none of these cars. Listen to your jazz. Yeah, you're not wrong. I have a 355.

I listened to engine music. Although I think you're not wrong, I love this car. I think it's cool as hell. I will say, I will say the democratization, speed has become so accessible that just having is not enough. Zero to 60 and 22 and a 1,200 horsepower. That's not special anymore. So they got to do other things to make it special, like floating.

I wonder if they considered it but it's beautiful and they've done that and it's fast and that's cool and it's going to be great it's striking I don't know about beautiful it's beautiful striking all Ferrari super cars are striking except for the 280 GTO which wasn't a supercar which he doesn't think is a supercar even though it had the same engine as the F40 but we'll move on

I think that I don't know a time will tell of course I would like to see it in person as the Enzo I mean yeah that's that's also true but that came after but nonetheless new Ferrari supercar is here and it's named after a BMW.

Can I say one quick thing about this? Last week or two weeks ago, we talked about how we thought the W-1, the McLaren new supercar, was nothing. I think that they're legitimately helped by Ferrari like they were over the P1 with Ferrari launching a similar supercar,

creates competition. Yep. Nereble. Are you aware of what the W-1 claimed zero to 60 time is? Well, hopefully it's under two. No. What is it?

2.7. Oh. That's what they claim. That's like a Model 3 performance. My buddy Brett's got one of those. He paid. like $46,000 for it. But all this also goes, like, all right, now the Porsche thing.

We're waiting for the Porsche now. But the Porsche is going to be fully electric. I want to tell you this now so that you can prepare yourself for it. Because you seem to be very upset about the Ferrari. I could have told you to me a V6 hybrid. The Porsche is going to be fully electric. Okay. The Mission X is going to be fully electric.

It's not going to have an engine. It's going to be fully electric. It may float. What if it flies? Would you like it then? Oh, yeah. If they can make it fly, yeah. You'd be into that.

Yes. That would be cool. Okay. I'll take floating from Porsche if they can do that. All right, I'll tell them. I'm going into the dealer in a couple days. I'll let them know. We want the next one to fly.

Okay, thank you. All right, we got another new. Oh, wow. So stick with me. So this is a pretty intense picture here. So for those of you can't see, this is Revolto on fire. Now, Lamborghini has issued a recall recently for the Rivalto specifically. There are 455 of them in the United States currently that have been delivered,

which is impressive in its own right. And that it made sense why. seeing so many of them, but like, they're around. Yeah. But... 455. They mean... This happened recently that one burned to the ground on social media.

Some influence... Was that in Mexico? No, it was here in the United States. Really? It's not a big Donald's a memory serves me. And this, like, I mean, catastrophic fire. However, the recall has nothing to do with it. It's for the wiper arm.

It's like, evidently, like, the post on the wiper, like, bends and then it, like, might cause it to bind. But meanwhile, this car is literally on... Can I tell you something about this and why they didn't recall it for fire? Yeah. I've seen a lot about this. Combustion engines, there's a combustion. So, like, there's, like, constant, like, explosions in your engine.

Yeah. It's surprising that more cars don't catch on fire. I agree with that. And so, like, that car, one of the combustions happen outside of the combustion area. Well, you know, and so it just happened. Let me tell. I was in D.C. the other day. I was driving in Georgetown, and there was a Q5 on fire.

Huh? You know, I don't see any recalls there, but it's same deal. you got a lot of little explosions happening one's gonna be big one day you see what I'm saying so this is just it happens dude and people when it's a Lambo people take pictures of it when it's a Pontiac Grand Prix

people are like yeah you're a pine cone the thing they do happen in a combustion chamber and one did definitely happen out here but this is indicative that something bigger might be wrong there might be another recall coming soon how do you know he didn't light it on fire himself

and then just start complaining he's an influencer He maybe wants to influence people. Maybe he's trying to sell a fire extinguisher brand. Oh. Boom. Maybe a little late though. Then one would think that he would have used it to put it out. Maybe he did right after it.

Maybe he's trying to sell a fire starter, like a lighter fluid brand. Now for it were Whistling Diesel, I'd be into this. But like it's, it isn't. I don't think, based on his reaction to the video, it did not sound play. All I'm saying is, it's surprising. More cars don't catch on fire. Because there's a lot of fire inside cars. When I was a kid, I feel like more cars did catch on fire.

Well, in Italy, I was. People were lighting stuff on fire to stay warm. I have a distinct memory of coming out of my preschool, and there was a Fiat Panda with a fire just in the engine bay, though. Hadn't spread yet. The lady, like the old lady, were just standing next to it, hood up, fireblair. Oh, she should have closed the hood. Well, I mean, to his point, that is where a fire would begin to be in the engine bay, probably.

But everybody was very nonplussed about it. Well, I mean, it's Italy. It's a new day in Italy. Weird stuff happens. It's like New York City. Right, exactly. You kind of walk past. it. Yeah. All right. We got any other news? No, that is all. No, we got no news, but we do want to

talk cars, talk cars, talk cars, talk cars. We do. Pull up to C-32. The greatest part in the history of cars and bids is live right now. Wow. Rino Sports Spider. Yeah, we do have that. Yeah, that is pretty good. But the C-32. There it is. I want this car. What is the bidding at? Currently, 10 Gs. I want this car very bad. It's been live for about five minutes. I was in Vienna a couple of weeks ago, maybe a couple months, and I saw one of these on the street, and I took a picture of it. This was the F1 safety car, Kenner. This was the F1 safety car? Yeah, I remember.

It made F1 safe. Was this the one that got hit? Was it the one that got hit? You've ever seen this clip? No. They go to this wreck and they open the door. That's what I think it was. They go to this wrecked. They're very scared. Oh, the car's wrecked. We've got to check on the driver. They opened the door, and another car comes,

bam! Anyway, this car has been imported. These were not sold in the U.S. This car has been imported and federalized so it's U.S. legal even though it's not 25 years old. Absolutely incredible. I want one, I want in general one of these so badly, but this one is so cool. It's a great color, designo-Moka black, which I own. Do you see the interior? No, but I own a designo-moka black car. Show them what a Dezigno-Moka interior looks like. Look at that. I'm not going to lie to you, that is the color scheme of my car. Yours has a brown

interior, too. Although the mine is brown with black accents, not black with brown. This is real mocha. This is great interior pictures. Like the doors are brown. This is legitimately what my car is modeled after it turns out. I want one. I want this car so much. These are special cars. Yeah, but you won't. We never got, I won't buy this one. We never got AMGC class wagons in the United States ever. To this day, we still have never gotten one. They now sell the C43 wagon in Canada, but it's kind of a consolation prize. It's not the big V8. They all are cool. I wanted a C43, 98 to 2000. I want the C32, which was like 01 to 04. The really cool one to have, though, is the next one, the C-55. but it didn't come out until middle of 04,

and so that's still five years away. So I'm like, oh, this is... But we're getting close. I mean, you made the point that these cars from the early 2000s are like knocking on the doorstep of being imported. And the real car never got. Yeah, I mean, this car is...

I mean, they federalized it, and it's even carb. They got a carb sticker, but in three years, actually two years, because they came out in 2002, you're going to be able to get one just without doing all that. But it's so cool. Now, I don't personally like the W203.

The W203 had its issues. But I... The wagon's the best version, and this might be the best of the best. And by the way, when I say it's issues, I am not referred to reliability. These are actually pretty reliable cars. My problems were that were, I never liked how it looked, and the interior quality is not all that great. Yeah. But that's also true, the next one, the C-63, the 08, that was the worst interior in the world.

And I want one of those more, I would eat you if someone is offering me a C-63 wagon. But you have to eat, Felipe. I have seen you. Give me a knife and fork. Medium rare, please. Thanks. Well, it is quite a great. car. It is cool to see. But it just gets

me excited about, like you said, about what's, again, this is an exception, but like, the cool stuff that I dreamt of as a kid is coming. Yeah. Like, and you'll be able to get it, that we couldn't get here. Yeah. Can we talk about one of the cars that is that? What's that? The Renault. The Renault sports spider, you know about this car? Yeah, I love the Rena. I totally forgot about

this car. I totally forgot this car even existed. I'll be honest with you. I have been thinking about this car for a while. Yeah, I know you've mentioned it. Do you think we fit? Like, it's little. Yeah, no, I think so. It is little, but like, like, the lease, the interior space is pretty well managed. I think it will fit.

Why did they make this? Okay, what is it for the people that aren't looking at our train? Renault Sport Spider is a convertible Renault, but it was like a track car. I mean, it had like a... It's more than a convertible. It's not a convertible at all. No, it has no roof. It has no windows.

Crossbladed situation. That's just like an air defactor, a deer deflected or everything, but it truly, like, look at the side profile. Where is this car? Can I review it? No windows. Is that in Virginia? Is that a crossblade?

So this car came out. The timing of this car was unfortunate. Rennon Sport brought this car out. exactly when the Elise came out. And so unfortunately, the Elise always overshadowed it, but they wanted a lightweight driver-focused car that was just purely about the driving experience. I mean, because it is completely impractical

and about nothing else. It was so insane. I'll never forget. Seeing pictures of it as a kid being like, what is this ridiculous car? And it had a roll bar from the factory, O.E. Rollbar. Yeah, pretty legit. The whole car. It's so insane.

Where is it? Where is it? Virginia. I think it's in Virginia. Yeah. God, I know. Legitimate, truly. Why is it not in our office?

Right now. If you buy that C32 wagon, I will pay you the same that you paid for it in a year. You'll bring it to the office and I'll get jealous after a while. I'm not, I know you would. I think it would take two months. No risk for you. I think it would take two months, but I'm just not interested. Okay.

Filippo, tell us about your talk cars. Yeah. What I am interested in is buying a 997.2 cab. Okay, for every week on the pod, so I'm going to buy this. I'm going to buy this. But this week, there's actually a car that is come up. It's not on the site, unfortunately. It's not on the site, but I just want one, a picture of one up generally.

There is a car that has come up and Felipe is interested in it. It's a 997.2 Carrera, base career with a stick. Super base. Nicky Minaj. Yeah. But what do you tell us about it, please? All right. It's in North Carolina, very close to where I used to live.

I will be in North Carolina, coincidentally, for personal reasons, starting tomorrow. I'm going to go look at it. I'm talking to the guy tonight. Please buy it. There's a real chance I come home with it. The number that you're at is very reasonable. It's a nice car. Please do it.

I need to get them down five grand. for us. Do it from me and Ken. Do it from my Audi Robot, Mike. Mike, Audi Robot is convincing. No, less interesting. Here's my concerns. I've never spent money on a car.

$27,000 is the most I've ever spent. This would be at least high 30s if I'm successful. Never bought a fun car from herself. It's actually a fun car. The fiat is like, it's a fun car. It's a fun car, but like it's a low risk, low reward fun car. I think it's pretty, dude, it's so loud. I drove it home yesterday.

Last night. Yeah, it's actually a believe how much. It's also, it was very fun. Anti-social. A cold start on a 500 of Barth is aggressive. You can drive so aggressively, and you're still only going 35 months an hour. And it's a joy. That's fun.

And I treat it like absolute. Yeah, you do. Yeah. I drive so hard, which is not my personality for anything else, except for what I'm driving to the Fiat. But I want something more special, and I've never had it. I never driven a 9-11. It is a lot of money, but I'm telling you, you'll get out of it for the same money you put into it.

You'll bring it to California, the land of convertibles. It's a cabriolet. he's not going to do this he won't really sure if he doesn't do this I think if he doesn't do this we don't talk to him about buying cars again

I agree with that I think he's used up his he's cried wolf he's cried wolf bear pygmy marmoset and Dieter even but yeah he yeah oh Lagama

dresser yeah yeah I need to do it I need to do something I need a special car of some kind I need to like build out the collection

of cars that I've owned because right now it's very weak and I think in 9-11 would be great You admit that? Yeah, gladly. Here's a real question. All right, first of all, I'll be in North Carolina and then up the eastern seward.

You ship it, you dummy. You're not driving it from North Carolina, California. Why are you so cheap? You get paid good money. Why do you value your time like nothing? It'd be for the joy. There's no joy in sitting on the freeway in Oklahoma going 71 miles an hour behind a truck that's going 71 miles an hour passing another truck that's going 69 miles an hour in an 80 zone.

What if I want to have road rage with a Nissan Lundon? I could do that. I can do that, because I hear, though, to be fair. I'm going to ship it. Would you,

okay, I'm going from North Carolina up to like New York ish. Could I, should I drive it and then ship it from there?

Yeah, tourist delivery. A little road trip. That sounds like a great idea. You should definitely. Drive it up to 95, experienced in northeast and of 9-11.

Here's a real question. Do I PPI it? No. It would be like a high 30s car. It has great service records. I have two orders from you. I have different opinions about this than other people.

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know what your tolerance for risk is. That's the question. I've done car PPI's before that haven't uncovered what I needed them to uncover. And I go into any car purchase just assuming I'm going to write a big check. But I'm also able to do that. It depends on what your life situation is.

Buy the car. We're going to talk about it. It's a 997.2. So a lot of issues resolved from 997. There's no IMS issue. There's a bunch of other like reliability things. Not really. Those cars are reliable.

Right. Exactly. They've been resolved from the dot two. This car has pretty extensive service record. Two owners from you. He's owned it for 12 years. Yeah. I think,

can I get away without doing PPE? Yeah. For a car like this. Honestly, because if I see a clean car effects. If I see a clean car effects. I would budget 10 to 15% that you'll get to.

I could budget. I would budget that you'll need four grand. To bring it up to kind of the standard that you want it to. Yeah. Which is your usual approach. You know my standards. Yeah.

They're low. But if like a turn signal is broken or a fuel gauge is broken. A turn signal is broken. I'll break for you. I don't know. On Porsche's, I is... That's the problem.

All right, we're going to move on to our... I don't trust you, but I want you to buy it. A week from now, I won't be on a podcast. The week after that, I will be back, and I might tell you about my purchase. If you don't, we are never going to talk to you about buying a car again. Please, just do something. I don't even blame you at that point. You cried chameleon.

The boy, you cried a chameleon. You cried giraffe. I'm not wearing the shirt today. I'm sorry. Okay, next up, time for our market report. Brought to you by the Cars and Bids app. It's like regular cars and bids. But an app.

And better overall. Get push notifications. You can get notified if you've been outbid, if you have a new message, if there's a car that you like that's listed, you can download it at the Apple App Store. It's iOS only at the moment, but go download it. And it's great. Currently number two worldwide in the app store. No, but it is at a much higher, we were in the shopping category. And we have beat out like Home Depot and H.E.B.

Oh, wow. We beat out the Home Depot app. Take that, Arthur Blank. All right. I want to talk about, the market report, I want to talk about the Ferrari 812. We just sold the Ferrari 812 GTS. This exact Ferrari 812 GTS. Yeah.

We sold it for $522,000. A great number. Merely weeks ago, it had failed to hit reserve on the Bring a Trailer for $500 and how much? $14,000. So we got more money for this car. And you know, that got us thinking. Yeah. What is the situation on the bring a trailer?

versus cars and bins, pull it up. It happens a lot. We track a lot of examples where a car failed to meet reserve on bring a trailer and then sold on our site or also some of the cases that they sold a couple months later, a couple months later, I'm going to want to get rid of it.

The same car, the same thing. And that's always people are thinking, does bring a trailer get more money? Well, here's, we have some data. We did a bunch of work to track down all these cars. VIN by VIN. And our data shows that in Q3, we got 1.3% more money.

So same car, 1.3% more. How many cars is this? 60, 70, 80, the pretty small range. 60, 70 cars. We got 1.3% more. More money, and we got 70% more views and 70% more bids. So way more people are seeing cars when they're on cars and bids.

When people are bidding on cars, when they're on cars and bids, than anywhere else. I will let the audience make their own conclusions, but we have some factual factuals, including this 812, which just brought more than it did across the street, as I often say. Across the street. This specific car got about 8,000 more views and double the number of bids than that same auction a few weeks ago to bring each other. Well, there you go. The audience can draw their conclusions they wish. We've told you some facts.

Facts. And this data was over the last quarter. Yeah, Q3. Q3. He lives in quarters. You and I, weeks, days, months, he's like Q3. That's true. H2.

That's what they call it now. Second half of the year. They call H2. Wait if you want to have dinner, I can't tell Q4. Can I tell Q4? Well, luckily we're in Q4. But I have told people that Q1. I want to talk about last market report, before we move on to questions, I want to talk about the Honda Pilot.

I didn't see what was the result? Okay. We sold an 04 Honda Pilot EXL. We sold an 04. Here we are talking about how we get more money for 812 GTSs. We're going to move on. We're going to pivot. Hibbit.

Hard pivot. This was a special pilot in that it had low miles and was one over California. 15 grand. Oh my God. We, I grew up. My family owner, an 03 Honda Pilot. Yes, we didn't splurge for the leather or the nav. Fun fact, for the first generation of Honda Pilot,

you could get leather with, they excel with just leather. You could get it with either the rear seat entertainment or the navigation. Cannot do both. Yeah, the MDX is like that. Wait, but you didn't have an LX. You're over here talking about how you're the poor little immigrant from Italy. You guys didn't get stealing. Thankfully, my family did upgrade to that.

And we, there was all we didn't have sealers and we had tint and we didn't have a plastic. This, honestly, the plat, oh, you didn't know, okay, got it. The LX had the plastic side. It had this was plastic. But only that, not the front rear, just that. I was going to say, though, this, the bra. It's so 04. It's so period. It's so period.

I want to talk about it because when did cars from 04? I guess we were just talking about two different cars from the early 2000s. The Renault sports late 90s, but it looks like a 2000s car. Like, these are becoming nostalgic? I'm nostalgic for a couple of 4 cars. Yeah, Kenan. You got any nostalgia for some 04s? I mean, I live in 02, so.

I go. It's a great example of one. I get why somebody paid up for it. They're reliable. They're good cars, but it's a regular car. Okay, let me ask you this, and I'm dead serious about this. Because this happens a lot that people will pay up for a... The pilot just hits home.

Let me throw a little curveball at your brain. What if it's someone just buying a used car? And they think, you know what? This has 40,000 miles, one owner all-wheel drive, 15 grand. Dude, a new pilot's 50, right? Like, I'm dead. seriously. What if it's just someone, it's not like someone who's going to museum piece it? What if they're just going to use it? What else can you get for 15 that's going to run? This car's

got 40,000 miles. It's got 100,000 miles left in it. Well, maybe 50 before the transmission goes. No, no, no, no, no, it's transmission. We're fine. Legitnerner. These had good trances. Which, which pilots had bad ones? No pilots had bad ones. Oh, I'm not, I'm not joking. I'm not, they were not known about that issue. We sold ours in 20. In 2014,000, we sold our Honda Pilot, which had 100,000, 140,000 miles at a lot of rust for $500. We could have driven 100,000 miles. Does 100,000 miles cost us 15 grand? I guess my point is just like, when I think about this,

it's insane when you think about a used Honda pilot, an 0400 pilot is selling for 15 grand. That's insane. But when you think about a used three-row SUV with a lot of life left in it is selling for 15 grand, you start thinking, you know, what's a forerunner? I mean, I know it can go off-road, but if you don't want off-road, you just want a reliable SUV.

What's an 0-4-4-400? Yeah. 30? 15, I don't know. You get my point. Fortune 4-4-Rod. Maybe it's just someone who wants a used car. And it's going to be a great one.

The irony is that and the 10-year newer Jeep Cherokee that's in the reflection in the photo, same cost. Well, because they're paying up for quality. Not saying anything bad about the Jeep Cherokee, but it's trash. These are what people are nostalgic for now, I guess. They want the cars from the early 2000s. Maybe. I don't know if it's nostalgia. If I'm buying a car for a 16-year-old and this thing shows up, I'm like, you know what?

This car's got a lot of life left. It's reliable. It's like, this is a pretty good choice. EXL means that I think it also has stability control. But they may have come in 05. I mean, to put it this way, it's like I think if you showed up to, I mean, it's slightly outside the cutoff.

But if you show up to Radwood in this, I don't think people would freak out about it. I don't think the nostalgia is strong enough. Not yet. Yeah. When we come up with, what's the 2000s version of Radwood that will eventually show up? What is that called?

Dotcomwood. Dot com. When that eventually happens, this thing pulls up with the pilot branded car braw. This is my, I've discovered through this listing, our pilot, which was this color, was Starlight Silver. Starlight Silver. I had no idea.

Okay, next we move on to questions. Questions, questions. Remember, you too can ask us a question. Go to Carsandbids.com. Click on the community tab. It literally states community. And then we'll have a post there that says, ask us questions for this week's pod,

and you can ask them. And we will answer the highest upvoted questions, no matter how stupid. Okay. First question, most popular from one UIS. Merry, kill, kiss. Oh. Doug slash Kenan Zonda F-1F-40.

Sorry, I get the opportunity to kill Kenan and Doug. Zonda F-1F-40. Tough. Tough. It's not that tough. Well, you marry the F-1. Yep. Okay.

You kill the Zonda. Yeah, kiss the F-40, kill the Zonda. Yeah. probably the same. I don't know though because I think the Zonda drops a lot more usable but it doesn't say Ferrari on it. What would you do? Fanboy. Probably the same. I might switch the F40 and the Zonda but at the end of the day I'd

marry the F1 too. I like to pretend I'm not an F1 guy but you saw that orange one, see that orange one driving around Dusseldorf? That's all I want. Filippo yours was Pujo 206 CC Renaulte 3 RS or Mark 4 R32 Killed the R32. Big course, it was sold here. Right. And not by the French.

I don't, sorry, what were the first options? Pujo 206 CC, remember that car? Hard type convertible. And then Renaulteo 3 R.S. Cleo 3 R.S. Oh, man. I actually really hate the 206C, although I've good memories of one. The Clio 3 was like early, looks like early to mid-2000s.

Yeah, I married the Cleo 3. And going on a date with the 206. Yeah, you put the top down, have a good time. Okay, next question from XJ40 JAG. Hi Doug, why did you stop trying out the back seats of cars with small back seats? You know, a lot of reasons, but the biggest is that I have significant back problems, and it was always hard to get into those back seats, and it's even harder now. Part of my back is numb right now as we sit here.

You could pinch me. Do you want to come over and pinch me in the butt? I truly, I can't express in English to you how little I want to do that. Well, you could, okay? You could, and I wouldn't feel it. So that's an issue. I'm getting older, you know, and it's getting harder. But I still show you the backseat, and it's great.

Okay, next question from Austin M. 033. What Cars and Bids channel video ideas have been attempted slash recorded, but then thrown out and not uploaded anything you really wanted to work but failed. Austin, you underestimate, you overestimate our professionalism. If we've, if we're filming something, it's going up. We're not Mr. Beast out here. What's sitting around here like discarding 13 ideas on the, the cutting room floor.

This is what we are. The beauty of the Cars and Bits channels that we can test content. Yeah. That's exactly what we've been doing. Right. There's not much that doesn't get put up. No, and most of it's fun.

Like, most of it is good enough to make it. And some of it doesn't do well, but it's still fun. It's still fun. It's always fun. Do you have a theory. Every once in all our producer will say, oh, I'm sorry, the audio was really bad on that. You think it was...

I think he just didn't like the video. I think he'll admit that later, off camera. Okay, next question from Dodge, Demon 170, which is the fastest Dodge Demon, despite its small number. He's an Android version of your app coming. Felipe, we're discussing that a lot. We've loved

hearing the kind of outpouring of interest in the Android app. You can keep emailing us app at cars and bits.com. Can we send an email to that? You may. Who monitors that? You? Several of us. Several of us. Yeah.

Please keep letting us know if you do want an Android app. We're figuring out what the right strategy, timeline, etc. is. Wow, diplomatic. Yeah, diplomatic. He switches from... He really wants to say is get an iPhone.

I was an Android person until Doug offered to buy me a sweatshirt in exchange for getting an iPhone. Did that occur? He never bought me a sweatshirt. Was this on the inside? No, this was like years. I don't know.

Years ago. Do you still have said sweatshirt? I don't think he ever bought me a specific sweatshers? You want a sweatshry? I'll get you a sweatshress. Please. Okay, next question from Dark End. This is a great question. Is there any evidence of YouTubers

actually driving up car prices like movies did in the past. And if so, what was the car that happened to? I got to be honest with you. Whenever I post a video, people are like, oh, you're telling the secret of this car. Now people are going to buy it and it's going to be too expensive.

That's like a common criticism, I get. But like 300,000 people are going to watch the video. Half of them are not in the United States. And some of them are 12. And some of them are 70, you know, and aren't really buying a 86 civic kind of space. It's a nostalgia play. And I don't think that this happens,

Usually. However. However, I do think I drove up the prices on those convertible G wagons. I think people didn't know they existed. And when I did that, like immediately after my video, they started taking off. And like celebs started getting them. I set that trend. However, that was a big commitment.

Like I think like people who just do a video on a car doesn't really happen. For me, I bought the car. I did a whole thing on. I do Instagram post. Like it got out there in the consciousness a bit more. I think the impact is also a little bit. driven by, what is the, you get to see the lived experience of owning that car, and that gives you confidence maybe to buy. That's true. You see a YouTuber, you see their experience with

whatever car. And you're like, oh, that's a great point. That's a great point. When we were kids, a kuntash was a black hole. Like, you hear it's unreliable. You hear, you don't know anything. But now you can actually, like, Stradman will give you the data on his, like, Veyron, right? You know exactly what that thing cost to own. And that has opened up, like, the ability to, you see these cars more as things you potentially could get. I will say that our friend Ed Bolian, who I love dearly, I think

he has kind of hyped up the Lamborghini Mercilago in a way that it deserves, but is interesting. Just a little. I don't believe in doing this, by the way. I've been accused of this before of hyping up a car that I own and then selling it for a profit. It's truth is I don't sell any of my cars anymore, really, and I certainly haven't

made money on him. But he's certainly not the only I personally think, like, I think Magnus Walker drew a lot of attention to air-cooled 9-11s when they were kind of cheap, just used cars. There are definitely some examples of influencers who have had, and that's a great one. And Ed is one for Mercies and Tamarian and that whole, like, ecosystem. I think it happens, but I think it's a lot rarer than people think. People are like, if I post a video, people think that suddenly that car is now going to be too expensive, and it's like, it's not that easy. No, it's not that, no, it takes a long time even so, like, yeah, I don't think it's. But when people, when some influencers buy a car, commit to it, make a big deal out of it, talk it up with rarity, it definitely does get other people kind of thinking like, okay.

You know? Yeah. And when an influencer crashes a McLaren Sena, then the number of Sena, then the number of Senas is less. And that also helps. That true. Yeah. Use a strategy. Buy 12 McLaren Senna's crash seven of them.

The other five go up in value enough to cover the crashed seven. That's frude. That's an idea. There's an idea. Okay, we're going to do two more questions. And I have to go to the dentist. We're ending this podcast five minutes early. Okay.

First question, hey guys, what is your favorite non-U.S. market car that you wish had been sold in the U.S.? This is from end underscore can. This is a tough one. It's pretty easy. I mean, the Zonda. Zonda's a good one. E60M5 Touring.

I'm going to say 61M5, yeah. I mean, there are a lot like, I, like 964, like Career RS, like the Career RS in general. I mean, there are a lot of versions of cars that are, of course, now in portable that we like. Yeah. I'm a very pragmatic human.

Any of the fast renaos, like the Cleo V6. Fully legal now, by the way. Mid-engine Clio V6? I'm very pragmatic person. I'm not going to say a Fiat Panda. That's by the fact that I would love a Fiat Panda. Because like that was never going to sell well.

So I'm trying to think about what would have sold. I think that I'm a load of the point of that none of, does the cat answer not gonna care you know all the late 90s European

minivans there were actually three fundamentally the Volkswagen Charan I can't express or said

Alhambra all those the Ophirah no that was smaller yeah but the same idea or like the the Fiat

oh my god what the Fiat called Ulysses yeah what's the launcher called it's now called the Voyager

yeah but it was something else I don't know I thought they were great just exceptional. They were great use of the space. And as a point of the nun came to the U.S. and said we had the

wind star and the free star. We get the Kia Rondo and the Mazda 5. Which, fun fact, Kiarondo, seven seats. C-L-K-D-T-M. There's a lot of There's a lot of good ones. I feel like we've covered this a lot, but there's a lot of what is the show that you let's use launch a model? I must know. Okay, here's a great question. Oh, Kenan's just, I know Kenan's response to this already.

Philippo, you and I'll have a... The Fedra. What was it? Ph. H-E-D-R-A. Really? Apparently. Okay. Okay. Next question. from Brown Diesel Wagon V8 when thinking about enthusiast cars

versus YouTuber slash rich person cars like Kuntash versus 570s. When I see a 570s, all I know is that guy's got money. Yep,

not any... All I know that he bought some Bitcoin. Do you ever think there will be an EV that's known as an enthusiast car? Hmm. I actually like this question.

Yeah, there it is. Yeah, what is it? Tesla Roaster. Huh. Yeah. When I see a Tesla Roadster, I don't think that person's an enthusiast.

I think they're like an Elon Musk enthusiastic. Really? I would, I go to a lot of special car garage. It's fundamentally in the lease. Yeah, but it's got a tip and it's electric. I've never, I go to a lot of garages. I've never seen a Tesla roadster next to a 575 has a tip too.

Okay. Okay, this is an interesting question. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I think that, okay, you see somebody in an Ionic 5N? You don't think they're an enthusiast? Yeah, I do. Yeah, that's exactly.

But he's talking about like, I think like sports car. And that's, there aren't any EV sports cars. That makes the question more interesting. Well, they're becoming more. They're, in theory, in the next year or two, will be more. I got to tell you, when I see a Rimack Navarra, all the ones I've seen around. I don't necessarily think that person's like an enthusiast. No.

Do you think that about a shoe round? No. Yeah, that's a good question. That's a good point. So that's not really. Some of them are. Yeah, of course. But some of them are just really rich guys.

Any of those cars, if you're not interested. I think there's, I think in order for there to be a, Tycon, a little bit. When I see a Tycon, although I'll see Tycons, my courage, G, and they do not even look. They have no idea. But a Tycon Sport Tourismo looks. Yeah, Tycon Sport Tourismo. That's probably the most enthusiastic EV right now. Especially like a good spec.

Yes. Other than that. Ionic 5M is the most enthusiastic EV. Yeah, Ionic 5N. Who's spending $70,000 for an Ionic 5? I haven't seen one. Yeah, have not seen one on the road. We live in the place of new cars.

I know. It's very odd. New electric cars, too. Yeah, especially that. So, the answer to the question right now is, I don't think there's one specifically. There are some that are headed. more in that direction. R.S. E. Tron G.T.

Although that's kind of a rich guy car. I think kind of the enthusiast, the way the enthusiast thing ties in is I've seen a lot of EV swaps and interesting cars that were either problematic or the engine didn't make a difference in terms of the experience. Yeah. And so I've seen stuff like that. Like there's an E30M3, I think, with an EV swap that's pretty cool. And EV West in San Diego, like, that was like, those were enthusiasts building cool

enthusiasts things with EVs. Those happen. But in terms of like actual manufacturers, it's like, I just can't pay anything. We're like on the fringes. Like there's that Tycon and if you see a Tycon wagon and if you see a C and I like 5N, you assume, but yeah, I generally agree. Like, it's, it's not, they're not tremendously there yet. But they will be.

But then what new cars would you say are there, like, that are not EVs? G2RS. Sure, like, I mean, 812 GTS. You don't know. Like, a sport tourism, sorry, the equivalent is like a Panamara. Panamara Sport Tourismo. Sure. But a lot of Porsches, I would assume someone's.

Yeah, but that's because they're on that may available, like, enthusiasts EVs. We're on the cost for that reason, not because they're not cool. There aren't that many enthusiasts EVs. So we'll see what happens. It's interesting. No enthusiasm will buy McCann EV. Nah. The Boxster, in theory, will be electric.

Yeah, we'll be interesting to see. We'll see. We'll see. It's an interesting question, and I am curious to see how it goes. But right now, there's not that many cars that I would... But I suspect the answer to the question. The question is, do you ever think there will be an EV? Yeah, probably.

We're going to go that direction. They shift now. The Ionic 5M. Only one. It was... We experienced the future. We experienced the future. And it's not so bad.

Now, get it, give it to us down here. Yeah, and Toyota, so that might be something. Like, do that. They've said they're not doing it for any production cars, but. Give me an electric manual would be quick. What about that LFA thing? We'll cover it next week. You won't be here.

I won't. I will be. I will be maybe driving around on 997. You better be. Crazy Nick. I hope. We'll update the pod, the people, in two weeks when you're bad. Thank you, everyone for watching.

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