THIS CAR POD! with Doug DeMuro & Friends! - Aston Martin Bringing Manual Transmissions and V12 Engines Back! Ferrari Goes EV!

Episode Date: February 7, 2025

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And welcome to this car pod. I'm Kenna. I'm Felipe. And let's get into it, starting with the news. Ah, yes. Our first news story, tariffs. What's the news story? The news story is this.

They didn't happen. Here's a funny story. We had a clip that happened to go up right when he was saying he would do the tariffs, where we were like, he's not going to do the tariffs. And people like, this age badly, your guys are idiots. And then he didn't do the tariffs. We were right. All right.

On Saturday, the Trump administration announced they would put, 25% tariffs on all goods from Canada and Mexico and 10% additional tariffs on all goods from China. It was midday Friday, and it was a tough situation. But yes, that is exactly what happened. They actually said midday Friday that they would be announcing the tariffs on Saturday. So be careful. But then on Monday, they rolled them back. And they never went to effect.

Now, I will say... There's a one month freeze. There's a one month freeze. I will say, I don't know where this is going to go, so I don't want to devote a lot of time to it. It is hard to explain how significant of an impact this would have on the auto industry. An enormous number of cars are built in canon in Mexico. Enormous number. Not just cars that you think of being Canadian and Mexican, like the Brickland SV1 and the strata MXT.

They came first in my mind. I'm talking about like real cars. Most cars that you can think of as the best-selling cars are built, at least in part, in one of those two places. Well, that's the other thing. Then there's a lot of suppliers that are located down there. I read an article saying that the auto industry would stop in one week if those tariffs came into place. The big question mark and why we can't really speculate that much more is that. even once they were communicated to be going to place,

there wasn't that much great actual guidance on how does this work, what is and is not exempt? Because there's always some car. And that wasn't really clear. So there were a lot of estimates of what would happen. Car prices could go up $1 to $9,000. A lot of factory workers could be furloughed. Terrorists are on hold for a month.

We'll see what happens in the month. It didn't happen in the end. And I still, consistent with what I said in that short, I still suspect they will not happen. It's just too damaging to the economy and the stock market hated it. And the current administration is really tied to how the stock market feels about their policies. And I have a suspicion they're just not going to let it happen. Is my guess.

We'll see, I guess. Okay, move on to our next news story. Please. Ah, yes. Aston Martin. This has been a very big week for Aston Martin. So if those of you who are unfamiliar, like a little while ago, they hired a new CEO, Adrian Hallmark. He came over from.

That's this fellow. That's this fellow. He came over from Bentley. And he has some big. ideas. So the first thing was that regarding their EV, which they said was going to come out soon, he said, no, we're pushing that down the road, which is not, again, not a surprise.

We talked about it recently. A lot of manufacturers are doing this. But Aston Martin not only pushing, you know, all enthusiasts go, yes, you know, just another win over an EV. Did Austin have a agreement with Lucid to purchase their engines? So it's a little bit different. So like, they, it was, yes, they talked about that a little

bit. They were doing some collaboration with Lucid, but they're like, pushed that down the road. The most interesting thing, though, that came out of this. The most interesting thing was that the CEO, in addition to a bunch of other things said, we need manual transmissions. He believes in

the idea that he's seen Porsche's business model, what they've been able to do, that the 9-11R started in the ST and these special Porsches that have manuals, and he said, we need that. Now, admittedly, he'd recognized that Astin does currently make a manual transmission in the valuer of a law, however it's pronounced. But even he was like,

Harry Maccalf said it wasn't very good, and I think he kind of felt the same, but he realized He also said that they need to make more special versions of existing line cars, which is also in line with Porsche's business models. That's your GT3s, your GT4s, etc. Yes, car to take it directly to the 9-11 ST. And it's an interesting concept. Now, I will point out,

Aston has tried this before. Like, they did, remember when they did like the limited run V12 Vantage with a manual? And nobody really cared, right? It wasn't like the GT3 where people are lining up down the block and people are posting on Renlist about how their spoiler tips are going to be in a slightly different color than the rest of their car. While that is true, now cars are going more EV, which will turn to another story we'll get to in a minute. That's a good point.

So here's them standing in their own. Which is exactly what we said, that if Ferrari won't do it, somebody else should who has an exotic car brand. And if anyone's going to, it makes sense for Aston, too, because they, I wouldn't want to say they have nothing to lose, but they're like, oh, no, no, I'll say it. They have nothing to lose. They're not in a great spot. Like Ferrari is obviously gone in a different direction, but is making a lot of money. Aston, like, you might as well give it a try. Well, you know what, you know what Adrian Holmourke said?

It's one of my favorite quotes. I have to get this exactly right. He said, my mission is to be the first CEO in 112 years to make Asson Martin sustainably profitable, which is quite a statement. Ford couldn't do it. Ford couldn't do it. I will say, it's interesting. Over at Bentley, he obviously had a big impact. He gave the, he gave the continental GT of V8.

Decontented that car? Sold many of them. No, I killed the Mulsan. He's a traitor. No, it's an interesting idea, but... Well, I think what the brand... It's Austin Martin. It is, but...

They had a seven-speed manual advantage, which was the only way to get a manual and an AMG engine, and they still couldn't sell this. That's the thing. They did this. They had manual advantages up until a couple years ago, and no one was buying them or interested in them or even really knew they existed.

I think it's... Well, from everything that I read, there were a lot of flaws with it. It wasn't implemented that wasn't developed. Regardless, like, I hate to say it, but Aston Martin has the same flaw as Jaguar and Maserati, which is they are not enthusiast brands. They are luxury brands. Like, enthusiasts don't want them.

People who want luxury things want them. You know what I'm saying? And so there's not like, this is why Aston's depreciate like crazy. They overproduce the cars. They're not like cars that you and I line up to buy. It's not like Ferrari, Lamborghini, Porsche. It's not an enthusiast brand. Could they become one?

It would take a lot of work and a lot of investment. They built a factory. to build an SUV that now retails on the used market for $47,000. I think that there is a chance that could do it. With the right cars, with the right reviews of those cars, with the right public perception, the right marketing, it is doable. And it is filling a niche that you both have said that I don't care about,

but that you both have said is a necessary one. Yeah. It's Aston Martin, though. Look, I appreciate the fact that I want to see what they're going to do, what his vision is. He said, now, immediately, like, these changes, some of these changes are going to come in the next year, year and a half where they're going to start implementing these things.

But the special edition models will take longer. I also remember, remember when they made all those weird special edition vansans and again, it felt more like lipstick on a pig than like a GT3R. Yes, but think about... Some of them literally had lipstick. But think about... Yes, that is true. But think about how

desirable that VA Vantage actually was, how many of those they saw. The DB9, same thing, they saw tons and tons of those. So what happened? Like, it... I think that the idea of following someone with a strong vision for what they they should be doing and giving that a real shot is the way to go. It's what Andreas Pringer

has done at Porsche. It's one guy that a very strong vision for the 9-11. I shouldn't be too fatalistic until they start in when they see it happens. I just have seen them try it before. They did manuals. They did special editions. Neither had a big impact. And now they're in what I would consider to be a pretty rough spot. They're in a rough spot. But if they

make exciting cars, they make exciting cars. If Ferraris are silent in EVs and Astin-Martin still have V-12s in them, that's compound. And on that subject... Well, we're not quite there. We're still on Astin-Wart. The next new story has to do with the Valky, speaking of 12-cylinder engines. So, Aston Martin Valkyrie, it's this insane looking supercar, N-Av-12, Kalsworth, V-12, V-12.

So they have announced they're taking it racing. And when I say racing, they're actually going to use a V-12 engine on a racetrack. Is it that engine that's in the Valkyrie that I drove? That's my understanding. Yes, or a race-bred version of that engine. That engine seemed pretty race-bred. Like, you couldn't speak in the car, or be in the car without your plugs. Yeah, but I'm sure a race car to ever get it in.

be like, maybe, but dude, it was like Vibration City and it revved to 15,000. I've never seen anything like that. Well, yes.

So they're going racing with an NAB 12 in La Maw. Yeah, so the goal is to get to the Lama. So it's going to debut later this month at Qatar,

or Cudder's where they're going to actually have the first time this car will debut on track. But they have a really big year set for it.

They're also going to take place at the 12 hours of Seabring, and then their goal is to get to get to LeMau. They've already

done 9,230 miles of development testing with the car? What? Which is a lot. Someone drove that car 9,230 miles? That's what they're saying since the car, yeah, since the car was in testing July of last year.

I drove that car 11 miles from PCH to Newport Coast Drive, back down Newport Coast Drive, back down PCH and I decided I never wanted to get inside it again as long as I live. You know, this is an interesting story also because we're not talking about it today, but we should. Ford also announced this week or last week, they're going back to LaMont. And what, racing has had a resurgence. Ferraris there now. everybody's obsessed with Formula One. I honestly thought, and I don't like to talk about it

because people already know I'm not a big motorsports guy, but I honestly thought there was a period in the late 2000s into the 2010s and 20s when racing maybe was like had seen its peak and was kind of sunsetting. And that's still kind of true in NASCAR, which is really... But La Ma Racing and Formula One are like the most popular they've ever been in their entire history. Yep.

For Formula One, obviously it comes back to the marketing that Liberty has done with like the whole series on Netflix and like getting them back. but no, it's exciting, and it's exciting to see real manufacturers, like storied manufacturers who have won in the past do this. And that Ferrari is there, and that acid is there, and that Ford's going to be, like, this is, like, these are, this is like real stuff.

This isn't like Audi just winning every year because they're the only ones who tried. With diesel power, by the way. You know, it wasn't anything. Dominated for a decade. No, I'm kidding. That was a lot. Audi, if you're listening, heck of a job. No, it really was.

That was a serious effort. But this is, now it's like really competitive and legit. it. Everybody's back. It's like racing is like returned. Well, and think, I mean, yeah, just watching it next year, Ferrari battle Aston Martin, like, it is, it will be exciting. It will be cool to see these cars and to see these, now they're trying to sell on the back of this stuff.

Aston is essentially selling a street version of this car. I mean, that's pretty cool. I mean, yeah. It's a 60s all over again. If this car wins, I mean, imagine. Like that, that is so cool. So I'm rooting for Aston Martin commercially, and I'm reading for them on the racetrack. Well, and that's another thing.

If the two tie in, right? Like, if this is a successful thing, then that brings enthusiasts interested into the brand. And suddenly they have kind of something going here. Yes. So it's possible. And suddenly Aston Martin becomes an enthusiastised brand. Oh. Meanwhile, you are people putting together a Ferrari dashboard that goes inside an SUV.

Yes. For the UK market potentially. It looks like it's a right-hand drive. But anyway. Singapore. So, yes, on the topic of Ferrari, they have announced that they're going to have, their EV is going to launch on October 9th. They've picked a date. So that car that we talked about a couple weeks ago.

Eight months from now. Or a day to fear, as I do. Because they said they're going to launch it in a, quote, unique and innovative way, which means it will be incredibly cringy and very bizarre. Just like Jaguar did. But it is interesting. So, you know, we knew this was coming. We saw testing about it a couple weeks ago.

But on the topic of hybrids and electric stuff, Ferrari says that 51% of Ferraris they sold in 2024 were hybrids. So that's the 296 GTB and GTS and then the SF. Which is essentially their volume car. Which is essentially their volume car. So it makes sense. But they... Is the sport utility vehicle hybrid? No, N.AV-12.

But we know there will be a hybrid vehicle. But in 2024, N-224, N-AV-12. So, you know, take that. But it is... I do take that. I drove one. It was great.

It was interesting in reading this. I also read some more stats. So, you know, the Chinese market is what they're targeting specifically, which has a huge appetite for EVs. So it makes sense that I suspect a lot of these Ferrari EVs will probably end up going there. But again, like, it's clear that this is, like we talked about, this is a different Ferrari customer to the, to what I think. I want to talk. I did, I did that whole segment on Ferrari's luster.

Have they lost their luster? And there was a lot of comments about that. And I want to cover that maybe now, maybe later. Let's cover it now. By the way, can I say one thing? Ferrari stock is up 8% since they released profit numbers earlier this week. They had $1.5 billion U.S. in. Okay.

I want to make a point here. I want to make a point here about my Ferrari lost. its luster take. Because Ferrari's got record profits. Their stock price is like 7,8x from when they launched on the on the stock market. They're selling more cars than ever. They're killing it. Making more money per car than ever. 13,000 per car than ever. 13,000 cars last year. They're obviously absolutely killing it. So I'm sitting over here with my Ferrari lost its luster take. And there are some people who are questioning maybe the sanity of that take. Uh-huh. You know what I want to amend to that to two things. First off, about 70% of the

people who watch that seem to think that I was complaining about the cars themselves. I don't care about the cars. They seem to be fine. I don't know. It's not what I was talking about. I was really specifically talking about their former business strategy, which was that they would sell a lot of cars to certain people just to get them out the door, and then those people would then be invited to buy certain cars, and that was like a big portion of their market.

It seems to me that in the sense of that strategy, Ferrari has lost its luster. However, I also am starting to realize they're moving on from that strategy. Oh, interesting. They no longer care about trying to sell the same 12-cylinder models to rich guys so that those guys will buy the Enzo's and that and that all those cars get sold and re-sold and everybody makes money. Ferrari doesn't care about that anymore. What I think Ferrari cares about is just selling cars to people, whoever they are.

And I think we are going to see a situation where you don't have to be invited to buy a Ferrari, where you don't have to have bought five other ones before, but you just have to be rich. And to be fair, maybe that's the way it should be. There's a lot of wealthy people. Yep. Now, there's a lot of income disparities increase, even more wealth disparities have. and that means there's a lot more people that can afford some caliber of Ferrari and also probably their base models are better than they once were

yeah the 456 the California Portofino maybe 56 I'm going back in time for our friends as a flagship model a V-12 I do think that I do think that yes there are more rich people than ever and I think Ferrari is sitting here looking at this and saying why are we limiting production limiting demand and only selling cars to certain people who honestly will eventually age out like why not just open it up to the whole world of rich people.

Now, the drawback is the whole world of rich people includes some really tasteless, questionable. But I think if you're Ferrari, like, you're a public company, you're like whatever. And so when I'm sitting here being like, they're not going to be able to sell 12 cylinders now, Ferrari's like, we don't care. We're selling them to other people. We're selling them to, we're selling them in China. We're selling them to people who have billions and don't care about how the,

waiting in line to get one. That was always Jay Leno's complaint. Now Ferrari's over here being like, screw it. Personally, I've never liked the gatekeeping that they do. however, it does start to smell a little bit like Maserati when you see them everywhere. And it does lose its luck. What I think their argument would be tough. You like the old ones, play with the old ones.

We're going to sell a lot of cars to a lot of rich people. You do have to be careful because you still need to be appealing as an automaker. You have to have some, like, scarcity component. They're going to push it. And they're going to push it. One interesting thing that has happened that has allowed these automakers to really push it is Asia. So back in the day, you could only sell expensive cars in two places. The United States and Switzerland.

That was it. And that was true from the 1940s until yesterday afternoon, pretty much. I'm like kind of seriously. Asia has allowed all these companies to open up. They can pretty much double their volume and nobody in Switzerland and America realizes. Right. We don't think that they're any less special than they ever were because we don't go to China and see them everywhere. Last year they put a 10% cap on the cars they were delivering to China.

I suspect that number changes dramatically. They just increase it 10% every year and eventually 300,000 cars in China. What was your sad? 20% of their revenue came from purchase. Oh, so, yeah, I found this. Yeah, so options. If you ever look at a Ferrari window sticker, there's a little section that says there's some options and it says other.

And usually it is an insane figure, 50 grand, 100 grand. I've seen $200,000 in options. Ferrari says that last year, 20% of their total revenue came from just options. Paint colors, leather swat, like leather. I mean, the company doesn't, it's a different Ferrari. It's a standard on a Ravre four hybrid. Car play, I think's 49. Car play.

Like, yeah, of course they made a lot. lot of money from options. Surely the profit margin is quite significant from that too. And if you can help people what to do it. Also, the dealers won't let people order base cars. You walk in, you say, I want a Nicki Minaj super base. Nice. They say, get out.

They say, you got to put 100 in options on this car to hit quotas. You've got to do it. Anyway, the point is, Ferrari has not lost its luster. I apologize deeply for the folks who didn't understand the incredible nuance in my... I'm concerned about their luster. I'm concerned about their luster. But I think Ferrari's point would be, we're selling cars. and make them money.

Screw you. Specifically you. Specifically guys like you who remember like the old era, I think specifically they don't care about the guys like you. They're saying we got new people who have new money.

They want cars. We'll make them for them. And also in the long run, we're all dead. So they don't need to sell cars forever. Ferrari also, another thing that's important about Ferrari and specifically the EV and the Asia thing

is Ferrari's name is not as strong in China. And so they got to get these cars in the hands of billion. Is it not? All the Western brand's names are not. The most globally recognized brand I mean, I don't think it's weak in China. Porsche, all these brands do not.

You know, they sell like two 9-11s a year in China. Like, they're not as interested in our Western status symbols quite as much as we are. They got to send those cars out and get those cars in the hands of Chinese. They need them visible. They got to make them visible. And so let's sell, sell, sell. And they have.

Now, will they go too far? We'll find out. Yes, they will. He already thinks they've gone too far. I know they're going. There's absolutely no question. It happened with Miles Roder. I'll have a Ferrari too.

I just like the old ones. just give me my old ones and continue to supply parts for them. Because they were built like garbage back then. Okay. Had you bought their sock in 2015 thinking they would improve, you'd be right. They're up to 723% since. As we all know, wearing pants sucks. I'm a shorts guy, but I've worn shorts at times when pants probably would have been the

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It's a sea of grayness. 2015. Every car is gray. 2015, 2015, 15, because I think that's pre-checking. Okay, what is the news story? Yeah, all right. You obviously are very familiar with Audi's current naming structure. Yes, it's one of the easiest to follow.

About a year or two ago, they announced they were changing it. And all EVs were going to be even numbers. And all gas-powered cards were going to be odd numbers. Correct. The A-5 and the A-4 were going to be gas and electric versions of each other. They've walked that back. And now all electric cards will have E-Tron after them. And all gas cards will have TFSI after them.

But that means that they were about to reveal a new A-7, which would not be the hash bracket once was. It's going to be the A-6, but gas-powered. But now that will be the X. When I was a kid, Audi had three-prime. products. The 80? There was the 90, the 100, the 100, the 100, the 100, the 100, the 100, the 100, were just trim levels of each other. So the 90s was a completely different car. A guy named Yohan D.Nishan came in in 1996, renamed the whole thing. You know what he did? A4, A6, A8. It was so simple. It's so simple, in fact, that every other brands since then has been trying to copy up, right? Cadillac, Ct C2, including himself and other, like, Infinity and Cadillac, but all these brands tried to copy up. Audi with the names in the last few years, remember the 55, 35, 75th thing?

Which was based on nothing. That was there like the trim designation. It was no longer 2.0T. It was 45 relative to other engines. In the market. So then they didn't even launch that in the U.S. Because the U.S. product planners were like, that's the dumbest thing you've ever heard.

But nobody talks about it. They launched it in the U.S. on like one model. The Q7 had that designation. Yeah. They launched it Canada. It was all over Europe and the Middle East. Anyway, that ended. Then they did Q4, Q6.

A4, A5, A7, the odd and even thing. That's dumb. Then remember when they came out with the E-Tron as their electric car? Then they realized they had to come out with other cars called E-Tron. So they had an E-Tron SUV and an E-Rond sedan, but then there was also a Q4-E-Tron. Horrible. How did they screw this up so bad? I think they're going back to their roots a little bit because there will be the A-4, the A-6.

You know what? This is just another example of what you said, Ferrari. Bring us, you know what? Just give us back the 2015 lineup. We loved it. It was good to me one favorite. Look at it. R8. Can you name any car here that's not the R8?

Just like point to it and name it. A7, T, T. Oh. Yeah. It looks like the A8 or so I think six. That's the problem. That was part of the problem. S5. That's an A4, by the way.

S5. Is it the All Road? Yeah, well done. Q7, Q5, Q3. Well done. You only got a couple wrong. It is weird that they did A3, A4, A6, A8. They did it just to mess with Kennet.

Okay, bring us our next news story, please. Ah, yes, a Nissan Ultima and a Honda Accord. Must be Filippos. It looks like a still from a straight pipes video. Love you, Straight Pipes. It's not a camera right there. All right, a few weeks ago, we talked about how Honda and Nissan had kind of agreed to merge in some way, details TBD. Yes.

Turns out those details will forever be TBD because they've basically said they're not going to do that. I don't think they're forever be TBD. It sounds like... So what happened was Honda said, hey, Nissan, you need to fill. figure out your restructuring and have really good plan for that. But what we can do is make you like a subsidiary of Honda. And Nissan was like, no, we're not going to do that. And they were apparently quite offended by what Honda was implying and did not, it's not going to be a subsidiary.

So Honda, or so Nissan has said that they're not interested in merging anymore. Well, now remember, though, the rumors around this when it first was announced was that the Japanese government was pushing it. Yes, they thought. So if they still are, maybe they come back to the negotiating table at some point soon. Remember Nissan also, the other thing that was, the other thing that was the The other thing that was announced around the same time was Nissan said they were going to run out of cash this year. Yeah, but they've stated the board, the Nissan board has stated pretty unequivocally, presumably with a lot of pressure from Renault that has a majority stakeholder of Nissan,

that they do not agree to anything that Honda's proposed. Well, they'll be not agreeing to anything right until bankruptcy and solvency, and then the entire value of the company will be in their corporate headquarters in Nashville. Right. Whatever that's worth. $47 million, some commercial real estate broker is going to sell Nissan in three years. And Honda, it's... Dude, I'm telling you, they can say whatever they want.

This is happening. Mark my words. I don't know that you actually get agreement to do it. There are other... Markham manufacturers. Which is a city in Ontario. There are other deals that I think the Jabbing's government would not be very open to, but would be a better fit for Nissan in their current ideation. Something's going to happen here.

Something's going to happen, but Honda doesn't really want to take on Nissan's issues. Nissan isn't thrilled by being said, hey, you have issues. And so here we are. Something's going to happen here. We all know Nissan has issues. The only cars they sell are to rental fleets and people with bad credit. They haven't come out with a good car. When?

When was last time? Name it. Nissan sells three million cars a year globally. 2.84 million of them are sold to Europe car and Avis and Enterprise and Hertz. Yeah. And Honda sells about a million cars more a year. Yeah, but they don't sell the fleets at all. Correct.

But I think that Honda has realized, as they're doing some diligence, that Nissan's in a tough situation, and they can't be trusted to govern themselves is what I think Nissan says. They're what Honda's saying. And by the way, it sounds like I'm just saying that. That's pretty close. So Honda's out here saying Nissan can't govern themselves, and the Nissan board says, we don't want any part of you. Yeah.

This sounds like it's going to go well. Yep. All right. I'm telling you, though, this ain't the last you heard of this news. Oh, agreed. Move on to the next segment, which is talk about cars. Okay, I have three important talk cars segments today. Four, actually.

He has been frothing at the mouth to have this discussion. One of them was far at Luster revisited, which you already talked about. Okay, check that one off. Okay. The second one, I have a present for Philippe, Oh. I got a present part. That's so kind.

I was a story the other day. I was a story the other day. And you know how I always, we always, we like to the exotic cars. Yeah. I got Felipe his version of an exotic car. No way. It's a matchbox Chevy Blazer EV. I'm thrilled.

With moving parts. This will undoubtedly be the worst selling matchbox car in history. No, it was in the Barbie movie. Don't forget. It was in the Barbie movie before it came out. Now, for you, I also got. I'm so thrilled. This is another really happy surprise.

A Mercedes-Benz CLA shooting break. Now, I want to be clear about two things. Number one, this is a 2020 model used. Number two, this is not the AMG. This is a CLA 180D. Good. All right? I'm so, I'm honored by both of these gifts.

Thank you. I just threw it at it. I was at the store. I was at the target there. The sign for a lifetime, unlike the CLA. I think that model's actually already canceled. I don't think they brought a shooting break to the new CLA. No.

So this is a Europe-only base model and a, and a car that nobody wants, Chevy Blazer EV. Hey, do you think that's the front-wheel-wheel-driver camera welder? Do you think that's the front-wheel-drive-blazer EV? The all-wheel-drive-blazer E-V or the rear-wheel drive-blazer EV. That's a really good. I'm going to open it up and find out. Wow, he's going to ruin all the value.

Okay, while you open it, I want to move on to my next talk car segment, which is the four-runner video. I posted a bit, I love the four-a-new-fant-fant-fant-fantor-fantor-a-per-your-review. Wonderful car. I posted a video saying this, and boy, was there some complaints. If you read the comments of this Forerunner video, everybody is like, I'm going to keep my 5th Gen, thanks. This is the worst thing.

I can't believe they got rid of the V6. It's the worst thing they ever did in the world. And I just want to say to all the folks out there in 4Runner Land who are haters, two things. Number one, I was a kid when the 4th Gen and the 5th Gen came out, and I remember that they were hated when they came out, the same level of hate that this thing has now. The fifth gen came out.

Everybody said it was ugly, too advanced, too big, and it lost the VA. Everybody thought it was the crappiest crap that it ever crap. And now people are like, oh, my God, I can't get my fifth gen up. Same with the fourth gen. Oh, got rid of the third gen, the 3.4, the greatest engine of the history of cars. Can't believe you're coming out the four-liter. This is a horrible thing. Why would you do this to us?

Mark my words. Here's more word marking. In 20 years, people are going to be like this hybrid forerunner. I'm clinging to it. I'll never give up my hybrid forerunner. I agree. This is just how these people are. And the comments are vicious.

And I just want to be like, you have no concept. Part of the problem is that the forerunner people, they stay in their own forerunner lanes. And so they don't realize that this happens because it's every 10 years that a forerner is redesigned. They don't know that in other. Remember when the first time came out, right? I post videos about new.

You got in 2010. Yeah. But I post videos about new cars all the time. And I see this complaint all the time. And I've actually been doing this long enough that I've now gone on some second generations of cars. Like I reviewed the previous one, and now I'm on the new one.

And you get that complaint? Like, I remember people hated the one I first reviewed, and now they hate the new one and said they love the one I first reviewed. It's hilarious. And so that's just, they just have to be cool with it. They just have to get there. Now, one of the other complaints, people are like, you hated this, the Land Cruiser,

but you like the Forerunner, especially the Power Train. The Power Train is much better suited to the forerunner. For one thing, it's cheaper than the Land Cruiser, and also it's smaller. And so those two things make the foreruners, hybrid four cylinder a lot more tenable than the power train and the land cruiser, where you're paying more and getting a more taxed struggling vehicle. I love the forerunner.

I think it's great. And I think I am absolutely confident in saying this because I have no doubt that the forerunner community will come around to this. Yep. Like zero doubt in my mind. I've been there. I've been through all of these. The revisionist history around some cars is wild.

It's wild. The FJ cruiser, not a popular automobile. And now it's such a great one. Before Toyota never should have canceled this. I remember when it came out and every. Everybody complained. Why isn't it more like the actual FJ? This is a cartoonish car.

It's so stupid. They could have made it more like practical and instead it has these stupid doors. And now it's all anybody wants. Now a low mile FJ cruiser is like a hundred grand. It is, that is accurate. There is so much revisionism. Even, you know, the other funny thing? When I was a kid, there were cars like the Camry, the like 90s Camry.

And every, all enthusiasts agreed they were the crappiest stupidest. Like when the RAV four first came out. And now enthusiasts were even getting into those. Like, oh, this was like, Oh, gee, it was like my childhood. And it's just like, I remember when everyone hated this crap. Okay, I'm never giving a gift on the air again. I love this gift so much.

Also, based on this, it is a front engine at the very least. I love this gift very much, and I agree with your point fully, which is rare. We usually disagree on this. It is wild. There is so much revisionism, so much. I remember when in 98, when the Land Cruiser went to a V8, that was absolutely vilified in the press, a V8, a Lancru, I can't believe they would do this,

ruin everything. Because the Lancruz, up until that point had been a six-sling. Like, since it came out, it was a six-unner. That was, like, part of its DNA.

It was always a straight six. In every iteration, every version, it was a straight six. And then, oh, it's a V8, and then, of course, they, now, God forbid,

they make one without a V8. Well, don't like change. As enthusiasts, yeah, I don't. As enthusiasts, you know, you know, we are a fickle bunch. That's true.

But I try and, to keep an open mind. Not when it comes to to EV Ferraris, but I try to keep an open mind generally. I'm excited for when the next M5 is a fourth cylinder, too. Oh, I've been giving up on my M5. It weighs more than a moon. I will say, you actually raised an interesting point, which is if my whole

life was forerunner, I would like, like, you're so into M5 that like you've had to come to terms of the fact that it isn't what it once was. If my whole life was forerner, would I still make the same argument, like kind of dismissing their concerns? Maybe not, but I know. I know. I know as a point of fact because I have been here before many times.

They will come around. Yep. I mean, another example is the M3. Like a lot of people have come around on the styling and I've heard many of my friends say it's like, you know, it doesn't bother me more. It's like, yep. Yep. Interesting. Exactly as you and I said when it came out.

You're going to see these forerunners out on the trails. You're going to see them lifted. You're going to see what they can do. Totally. And people are also going to see that this hybrid power train is actually pretty good. And it honestly and truly is. Because I know because I have one in my Sequoia and different engine. Different engine.

but it's the same complaint. They went down in cylinder count and up in hybrid count, and that's a pansy thing to do. That's what people say. And it's like... There's no replacement for displacements. It's like my car is 550 pound feet of torque. Let's go.

Let's do a towing competition right now. I'm also excited for you all to come around to the new kuntash soon. Oh, I like it. God, that's the worst thing that ever had. To be honest, with you, I think the rear three works so cool. You know how Mercedes Goalwings or Porsche 959s have typically always been valuable and will continue to go up in value? It's kind of similar to,

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and take control of your future. Start today at getacregold.com. On the subject of the new contosh, my last talk card segment is the future of concourse. Okay, so I submit my career G-T to the La Jollaquois Concord elegance. It's a great story. La Jolla Concoeur's event held here in San Diego, and people wear hats and such, but it's not, it's kind of like a middling, like it's not like a prime event on the Concours show circuit, let's say.

No, certainly not. Much smaller. And it's smaller and it's like less prestigious on it. And proven by the fact that a couple years ago, when Kenan debuted his, showed his Ferrari, he was parked next to a 348 that was missing its door panel. Right. And I was, I was afraid that Mike, I didn't have my car judged

because I was afraid it would not meet Concord standard. And the car next to me, the seat looked like a, like, a topical world map of, like, the Sahara. It was just so cracked and, like, just, like, it was true. This isn't just kind of being a snob by that. This car was, like, genuinely. It was, it was a driver, but it was like a rough car. I know the people own the car. They're lovely, but they know it's a beater, and they were, like, stunned.

As I could call it finished third. It did. Because there were, like, five cars in the class, and you chose not to be judged. There's a Dino, a Testerosa, and that 340, and I easily think I would have been, like, close with the testero. Sorry, Fernando, but it was close. So, um, so anyway, I submit the CareerG GT. So last year I submitted the Kuntash. It won an award. Yes, we prepared it. Yes, I prepared it very proudly. And we won the Chuck

Spielman Preservation Award. Wow. Because it's such an original car, which it is, honestly. We painted the wheels a couple of days before the Concours, but other than that. Well, they love the stickers, though. Um, so anyway, so everybody came up to meet the Concours last year and say, hey, where's the CareerG-G-T? Where's the Curatee? I said, hey, I'll bring it next year. So I submit it. And they call me and they say, hey, it's $350 a minute a car. They say, hey, we can't take it because it's not 25 years old. Well, it's 22.

And also, it's not like, this is Pebble Beach. So I'm like, all right, well, fine. They said, but hey, you can submit it. There's a parking lot show that you can submit it to for the same price. And I said, no, I'm not going to do that. Well, to be fair, it's the road that goes up in La Jolla. It's like, it's not, it's a very, it's not just a parking lot somewhere. But anyway.

And they, and I know. things were going to go bad when they called me and they were like, we saw you submitted your GT Carrera. These are old. These are Duzenberg guys. They don't know what that car is, you know? They like Auburn Speedtails. They're like a good boat tail speedster.

Yeah. That's what they're out here. They're looking for Chrome. Dude, if I had a Stutz bear cat, I'd be front and center. They'd have made a Stutz Bearcat class for me. So anyway, they said, no, you can't submit it. I said, well, you know, I think the audience might like it. And they still said no.

And I said, all right, well, that's fine. I got a refund and I'm not going to show it because I can't. But one of the things I thought about about this whole experience, which I found I don't really care. I mean, I'm going to go anyway, but just not with the car. I just found it kind of amusing. But one of the things I thought about about this thing was the Concours events and their future. Concoors events primarily focus on Chrome, big 30s, 40s cars, some 50s, 60s stuff. And in, and in, you, At the Monterey Car Week where you have probably the most prestigious Concours event in the world,

the Pebble Beach Concord de laos, tickets are on sale, and they're just generally available. Like, you could go online right now and buy it, $4.95. Meanwhile, the Quail event that week, which is all about modern supercars and hypercars and Paghanis and Carrera GTs and Mark 4 Supras.

I wish. No, like real stuff. They would look at a mark for a super and say, excuse me. Like real stuff. like all the hottest, like craziest, Padani Utopias and Bugatti's and all the stuff. And stuff debuting, too. Yes.

That event sold out in four seconds and tickets cost $1,800. And I'm sitting here thinking to myself, is this indicative of where the hobby is going? Like, are the young people, are the concourse events going to start to sunset? And when they say no to a Carrera GT, GT, is that like, but you see how Quail succeeds with those types of,

cars, is this the future of the concours? Like, are we, is this, is our generation finally having its moment? I'm hesitant about it. I think that what concours need to do to stay relevant is to have younger classes, which Amelia Island had made a point of that. They did.

In fact, they have a Best of Show, pre-war, Brussels show, post-war. So there are two cars. The younger class. The young class is still cars are 100 years old. Right, now granted, the younger class, the one last year, I think, was a 250 L.M. But you are right. You are right, because I've been to that, Amelia, and they have several classes.

You're saying. You judged. I awarded an award to a 1995 canalach. Right, that ended up looking an awful lot like in a spot. Or a mirror. But no, you're exactly right. At Amelia, they realized because, like, hey, we're going to start losing these young people. Let's add newer classes.

But that's kind of my point, though, right? If Pebble Beach doesn't make that switch. Now, Pebble Beach is the most prestigious of them. They probably don't need to do that anytime soon. But smaller concourse events You're seeing it though I mean they had McLaren F1s on the law last year So you're definitely seeing that

I do yeah I definitely worry about some of the longevity of these events But also a lot of events Concour-ish things have popped up recently Like the Audrain is doing an amazing job And they do they invited me to judge their young timers class Although it rained and they had to cancel it But the fact that they had that kind of proof though Of what I'm saying exactly so I think that all concours

will go that. What I think people don't realize about Concours events is that they kind of cut off in like the 60s and never really expanded beyond that. Like like Pebble Beach, back when it was back in the day, used to be for brand new vehicles. And people would bring rebodied, like brand not rebodied, but cars in the period that had body had been created by some showman and it would show up there and it was like this, nobody had seen it before. It was incredible like in the 40s. And cars like that would win best in show. And then they hit a wall and kind of stopped accepting cars past a certain year, not accepting, but winning. I mean, every car that wins is 30s, 40s, 50s.

Just like California is small exemptions. Oh, man. 50-year-old cars are not small exempt. 50-year-old cars. Anyway, and I have a suspicion that if the concours really want to stay real, they're going to have to do classes of younger vehicles and maybe start thinking about moving up to a more modern era. Yeah, I don't disagree.

How does the quail justify its 4x price roll? Because it sells out. they should charge 5x, they should charge 10x. It sells out, I'm not joking to you, it sells out in a day. Like, the way they justify it is they literally have no more space. And every year they've bumped the ticket price by like 50% and they still sell out in a day. I think two years ago it was 800. Last year, it was 1,200.

This year was 1600. And that tells you where the people want to go and what the people want to see, in my opinion. And I believe it was sold out, yeah, but like 2.30 in the afternoon. Gone. Gone, all the tickets, including for like standby and stuff. So, yeah. Wow. Then people are selling them on stuff up for like three grand.

Meanwhile, again, you could right now, you could go on to the Pebble Beach Concord website and just buy tickets, walk up, buy a ticket, $500,000, general admission. It's a different world. It's a different world. It certainly is. But I look forward to going to Concourse events and seeing how they evolve in the future. I love seeing all the... I'm the person who still walks through the pre-war cars and those, like, freaks out of Cali 16. And would you?

I'd love to have a pre-war car. You'd love to have a chrome thing? Yeah, do you? With the Hauga horn? Yeah. I mean, personally, I'm a Packard guy. But I still have Who got one?

Okay, I love a packet. Those were our talk cars segments. We're going to move on to the market report. I have nothing to say in the market report, but Kenan has a lot. Kenan, let's talk X3. Okay, yes. So recently I was just kind of scrolling through cars and vids. I've been thinking about getting an ICV myself.

And I noticed that X3Ms are coming down in value. We sold this one for 44,500. Now, this one had 36,000 miles on it. It's a 2020 model. and I think this has the window sticker with, or a Monroney label that said that it costs 857 new. This is an 86,000 on a car. It doesn't have 550 horsepower thing?

500 horsepower. Yeah, 500 horsepower in X3M competition. It's like, that's a lot of, now I realize they're going to continue to go down in value, but that's a lot of cars, and this is a very good-looking. And it's modern. Like, this car's not going to have reliability issues

for at least two to three years. At least two to three months. No, but really, though. This is an impressive situation. I agree. 85 sticker four years ago, the personal drove 36,000 miles. This has real modern day performance.

Yeah, absolutely. The X3M is phenomenal car to drive. So it's like these are seriously compelling. We sold another one for 38K with very similar mileage. That one there. Yeah, look at this one. The prices are, what's the low? 40.

43,400. And not compact, so a little bit less. I think these cars are cool also. A lot of enthusiasts watching, I'll be like, ah, the SUV is. It's cool. I think this drives pretty well. You ever drive one?

I mean, I have a suspicion that this would, You complain about SUVs all you want, but I have a suspicion that this would run circles on a racetrack around a lot of performance cars from not that long ago. Yes, you're M5, but a lot of performance cars from not that long ago, just generally. Yeah. No, I don't disagree. So I, this. Deals. It's fat.

It handles well. It's fun to drive. Yeah, I'm always looking. I've mentioned before I stomach the cost of maintenance, but I cannot stomach depreciation, which is only expense you feel when you sell the thing. And the fact that these are half price already, you know, five years later. It's like... Appreciations are a friend. Yes, exactly.

You and I. You wait two more years and you get into a... You get into one of these at 32, 33. 28. 28. I mean, that's like really, really an appealing car. I already think they're appealing cars. When I see them on the road, I really take notice of them.

I think they're cool. It's a lot of power. They're cool. They're fun. But that's like... I once saw this real on Instagram. It was like I was talking about philanthropic things. He said, buying a new car as a person is philanthropic because I suffered the depreciation so that an

enthusiast can enjoy it after me. Yeah, it's an exercise I'm here for it I'll take advantage of that I'm so impressed by this I didn't really realize that these were already into the 30s it is an enormous amount of performance

By the way it's true for all of these Yes GLC 63s are at this number I've been GLC 63s We don't sell that many of them But neither did Mercedes I never see GLC3s They're cool but I know

40s back in June Wow GLEE 4663s are not that far off To be honest Yeah but Ken and I like the little car We Yeah Oh no try hit JL 63

Let's see what those are going for GILA, no, no, no, no, no, let's do GL. Oh, GL 63s are free. 225. 18. We recently sold a GLS 63, which is 2016 and an up of that same body style for 20-something. No way. Add a space between 63?

We are an M-1-25. This one sold it. 34. That's the new body. That's the new body. Well, the facelift of that. Yeah, the new one came out. That's a lot of car.

Yeah. Oh, wow. That's a lot of car. It is amazing. Like, I feel like in this era there were a lot of improvements fast, like car play and technology really improved quick. And I don't feel like there have been that many improvements since then. It's a lot of the market's lot more focused on EVs. And so, like, these cars, to me still feel very modern and they're depreciating it to a level that's, like, astonishing.

When the predecessors of these were in their 30s, they felt like older cars. You couldn't get, like, X5Ms, original X5Ms, always felt older. This is like, feels like a pretty modern car. That X3M feels like a new car. If I parked that in front of my house, my neighbors would be like, whoa, you got a brand new car. It's a fair to all yesterday.

The X3 looked like that. Yeah, and there's not even an M on the new one. And to your point, also, in terms of looks, like styling has become so much more incremental amongst manufacturers. Like, the Range Rover is a great example. New Range Rover is, like, looks like a smoother version. Frankly, the GLS is two. Frankly, the XX3 is, like,

I think a lot of these cars, you really have to know to know. The new GLC, it's wild how, that's such a great point. It's so, subtle that like you can get away with lying to people. I would, don't lie to me. But if you, if you pull up to the valet and they don't know, I mean, also, X3M is a good call.

Yeah. Yeah, X3M is a very compelling. You don't even need the comp. No, you don't want the comp. It's a great car. 475 horsepower. That's got to be doing 060 in four seconds. Yeah, yeah.

Is that first on Courageeatjeet? Probably. No. It's close. And it's 36 and it's an SUV that you can put a dog in. Isn't Couragey T3.7? Yeah, but I don't know. I mean, it might be 3.7.

I don't know. A wise man once told me, all performance cars are the same fast. All performance cars are the same fast. 3-7 with the competition. On the road, they all feel fast. I promise you that would be the CareerG-T. Ain't nobody doing a hard one-two in a career-a-or or a launch. Career-G-T launch, I get beaten off the line by Prius at every stoplight.

Except for that crazy guy in Monaco that drives the black one around and just slides it everywhere. No, I mean, I could slide it, but starting off is hard. For our sake, please don't. Okay, that's a great one. Can we take one more? Yeah, you want to talk about. The FDRX-7. We just sold one today.

This car I was very excited about because this is... Your search decisions are incredible to me. You try searching sometime, Philippe. This car very exciting. So FDRX7, you and I agree, one of the most beautiful Japanese cars all the time. I think it's the most beautiful Japanese car ever made. The 2000 GT exists, but we'll move on.

This car, but this is a unicorn. Manual transmission, 4,1,700 miles, and it's mostly stock. When I say mostly stock, it's like a head unit, some brake pads, and they're not even a head unit. It's great. Was this in Canada? This was Washington, Washington State. I wish there had been in Canada.

I would have swooped in. But it sold for $46,000, which I think is, I believe, is that it's the most expensive non-modified one we've sold, correct? It's got to be up there. We sold another one for that same price point. But the last four that we've sold have all been about $40. RX-7s are so, FDRX-7s are so cool. So one of the coolest cars that exist. And unlike the Supra, which doesn't look as good and doesn't drive as well,

the RX7 has never gone way up in value because everybody's scared of the rotary engine. And you know what? With good reason. Rightfully so. Yeah. It's such a cool. Dude, if this had a 2J from the factory in it, this would be a $200,000 car. This had an RB26 or Mazda's version of that.

Right? Like an R34 skyline is a 200 car. An NSX is a 200 car. Not really. A Mark 4 Super is a 150 car. These are 47 grand because they have a rotary instead of like a legendary six cylinder. Right. I mentioned this on live now, the show that we do on the Cars and Bids channel. And my parents knew an aerobic, they were like new an aerobic instructor who had one brand new at the time. And even then, every time she'd pull up somewhere, she'd open the hood and let the heat out of the engine.

I mean, in order to run a rotary, apparently there's like stuff you got to do. Oh, there's a lot of stuff you got to do. And there's a wonderful. One of them is find a rotary sped. Right. It would be really handy yourself. But they are, the rotaries are special engines.

It's a great concept. It just never worked. That's the other thing that nobody talks about. It actually drives better. Like, the 2J is a smooth power train and the RB can be modified like crazy. There is nothing like the smoothness of a rotary.

It is so nice. You know, I was sitting next to Jay Leno when he drove his first rotary Mazda RX-7. Oh, is that right? Yes, actually. Which was then sold on cars on V. FCRX. I don't remember anything about that.

No, it was an FB. I don't remember anything about that experience I just wanted to drop that No these are incredible cars Why don't I have an FD? Because I'm afraid of maintenance It's the same as everybody else I don't want the headache

Yeah Can I mention one other Japanese car Look at that car Do you know those don't weigh anything by the way Well that's way that's part of the benefit Of the rotary engines compact It's lightweight there's just less going on These are like Miata

They're like a more serious miata I'm serious like in terms of what they weigh And how athletic they are They came out at the same time is the Super the 3,000 D and 300 CX, which were all pigs. They were heavy. And so people lumped this car in there, but that is not true. The FD is a light little car.

You want to talk AW11? You want to talk about 8.A.O. for some reason. I do think that the Super have weighed 600 pounds more than that's the OX-Hundred pounds. In the 90s, too. You couldn't have filled the RX7 with enough people that counteract that way. No, not really. I mean, assuming you got a 200-pound person driving the Super. And there's back seats and this, let's, let's,

not even talk about the sport roof. Okay. What do you want to talk about AW11? We sold them for 23 grand. 23 for a blown, low mileage. I can't decide if that feels really expensive for a 1989 small Toyota coupe. This is in Mississippi?

Yeah. Mississippi. Is that a lot or is that a little? Because it's special. It's a mid-engined Toyota. I'm sure it handles incredibly well. I'll tell you this. 23 grand for 1989.

small two-door coupe. I drove an SW20 turbo? Yeah. Amazing. Absolutely. Also. I have never driven an AW11,

blown AW11. If this car were local, I would have absolutely reviewed it. It's so cool. I drove an SW20 turbo and it like, I'm thinking to myself, I'm driving around thinking myself,

why do I have all these expensive cars? Right. Like, this thing is just as good. We sold the one that you reviewed. We sold the one I reviewed for real money. It was a, it was a red stock turbo. It was probably that one. It was really nice.

But even 35, I seemed like a pretty good. number because it was just so good to try. Doesn't that and 25 grand for a nice AW11 feel like a lot of money? I don't know. I don't know. I mean, someone who had been turned into kick cars. It feels like a lot when you think that an NA, you can still get an NA for

seven, but it feels cheap when you think that a 348 is 100 grand and this is honestly, it's probably better. That's a great point. I've always liked these cars. Always wanted to drive an SW20. Dude, it is so cool. I was astonished. It just felt so perfectly like just responsive and light

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We've got to move on to questions. Questions are the back one of our podcast. They're the Lifeblood of our podcast. The questions are, of course, sponsored by Felipe. Oh, thank you. Do I get something for... Do I have to pay? Philippo...

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Go back to that. I don't even care. Wow. Was this spotted just somewhere? Wow. Looks like Portuguese plates. That is so cool. Wow.

Anyway. Anyway, questions. I just love... I don't want to own an SLR. I don't really want to drive an SLR, but seeing it SLR is like the greatest moment of my week. We ask us questions. You go to the pod thing.

The pod thing will be on the pot thing. Okay, first question. First question. From J-Rad 1600, why is the final sale price of the sold-after auctions always kept a secret not disclosed? Have you discussed displaying those prices? Yes.

Can we do this? Yeah, we're going to. Okay. Next question. There you. Next question from Hugh Brown. Question for the adult on the pod Oh, okay

What happened to the second E39M5 You bought for the challenge Any chance you could race it against Kenan In his car to see who the E395 king is Maybe he thinks you're the adult Well, as an adult, I don't race But I Yes, we're going to be selling

Jensen Button is an adult he races Yeah, but we're not so we don't condone street racing here But street racing, let's take it to the track You want to ship those cars to Chuck Walligan? Ship them I'll drive it out there, I'll beat you Okay, what's the? happening in the car? We still have the other

39. I'm looking at it currently over there. So it's going to be on cars and bids very soon in addition to the Kyan Terps. Let me tell you what happened. Can I explain what happened? Sure. We had three cars. I don't know where you're going with it. We have three cars for the challenges. Well, yes, three of our cars and one of Nick's. And then Nick had a car too, which wasn't part of it.

We did a giveaway. A guy won a car. Yeah. And we let him choose one of the three. First time it's ever been done in the history of challenges. That's what Trump would say. It's probably been done a bunch. He chose the Corvette. Correct. The reason Correct. The reason that the M5 and the Kyan have not been sold on the site yet is because we had to have this whole process play out.

The giveaway, there was a certain amount of time, and then the guy had to come and pick up the car, which he did. His name is Michael, he lives in Colorado Springs. He drove the car home. He made it home. And, and I'm told, he got 28 miles per gallon on the crime from sea level to 7,000 feet. That's what Felipe honed in on there. That is the one detail, a piece of information I received. The point is, now that Michael has chosen his car and picked it up, we're going to.

going to sell the other two. And let me tell you something. We're going to make money. We're going to make bank. We bought the M5 for 195. I stood on it a couple times. I think we're going to sell it for half of that statement is correct. You did stand out. He didn't stand on it, but he did scratch it. I will say that. I pushed him away from it. I scratched it. You ran over a TV with it. It was. Did you run over a TV with the car? Did you scratch the fender? Yeah, I did. Did you run over a TV with it? Did you run over a TV with it? I gently barely backed over it. The television that was inexplicably on the ground. He was driving the car.

There was a TV. He said, I'm going to run over this. Well, it was so run it up. I didn't want to damage the rest of the car. I didn't realize I didn't realize I'd have to avoid a TV on a beach. Welcome to San Diego. Ridiculous. I don't want to hear the specifics.

All I remember is you ran over a TV with the car. Love Fiesta Island. Okay, next question. This is a legitimate question, and I want to pose it to you first. Not him. You don't answer until he's answered. Great. From Big Ultimate Hater 6.

What would it take for you to buy an EVSports car? Gun to my head. Pull the trigger. Evie sports cars don't have any. I have no real interest in them. Sports car is experiential and EV, although they're fast, it's like it doesn't provide, I would like an engine as a part of my experience in sports

car. I can see having an EV as a daily where it's just an object like my phone that just is a utility, but for a sports car it needs to be experiential. And to me, speed is not enough. Acceleration is not enough. I want an engine, I want sound, I want vibration and emotion. I have a different answer here because I think frequently,

of course I do. I think frequently about what situation I would buy an EV in. My wife and I both don't really have a commute. It doesn't really make that much sense. And we take a lot of long road trips, which an EV is not well suited for. If there were a cool EV sports car, I don't need my daily driver to have four seats.

Now, all of my daily drivers do have four seats. I don't need that. And if I could combine EV, I don't need gas, I can charge at home or at work or whatever, and I had a commute. and it's a fun sports car EV, I would do it. But what would the benefit of having a sports car on that commute be instead of a Model 3? Right.

If depending on what my commute is, it would be fun. But a model 3 would be, you put your dog in Model 3. So your commute is like on some curve. Sure. And like we live in San Diego. There's only one convertible EV and it's the original Tesla Roadster. And if there were another convertible EV, that's appealing in Southern California. That's a hammer.

First off, there was an I8 roadster, not electric. there was a Jeep wrangler 4x E. Again, all hybrid. It's not electric. Third, I believe I drove an MG Cyberster right here in the office. That's not sold in the U.S. Did it witness. And what a shame. Whatever. What about the Hummer? You can get my point, though. If you can drive one,

and it's enjoyable in Southern California, and it's a little bit more fun. But do you want, for to argue your point here, do you want a stiff riding, like sports cars as a daily? I don't want a sport. Imagine the situation which he could get a Model 3 for 14 on the site, but pays up to buy an EV sports car.

No, obviously, I'm not spending money on any of these things. But I'm not buying a car, period. I did two weeks ago, but I'm not buying a car again, period. Okay, so in this hypothetical where you can get an EV sports car for the same price as a regular car, where you have a commute that takes you on a curvy roads, or just where I want the top down. It's not to be a fun sports car. Okay. Yeah, so the answer for you is you wouldn't either.

And my answer is the same as Kennons. So that's kind of that. Now we know why there's no EV sports cars, except for the upcoming boxer. I drove that. Let me tell you something. I drove that M.G. Cyberster. Yeah. And it was a great car.

And I mean that sincerely. And it's not just because the Chinese government has implanted something in my brain that is forcing me to say this or else it will explode. Not just because or not because? Just because. No, the cyberster was cool. It really was. But I was sitting there thinking, why would someone buy this? Like, you, it's sports cars are experiential.

Why does somebody buy a, a, a, uh, a, uh, Toyota Camry Salara, because they want a slightly sporty-year-looking version of a Camry. Okay, I would posit two responses to that. Number one, the MG-Cy Cyberstore is a camera store and get for seven grand. The MGXXX-Kal-Wed. When the Camry-Solar is new, it was more expensive than a Camry. People buy the Camry-Solar for one reason and one reason alone to flex. Right.

Okay. I'll accept that answer. Next question. Next question from C.J. Kytle. Hello, Doug Cannon and Felipe. As we enter... Huh? Hello.

I'm sure my name is spelled wrong, but hello. Yeah. As we enter a new period of time with cars from the 2000s beginning to be eligible for import to the U.S., what do you anticipate will have their values increase or decrease with increased demand in the U.S.? Great question. Z8 is the first one that comes to mind. It's like, I think, because they made quite a few. And so I suspect, like, values have been down on Z8 generally.

I think they'll continue to go down. I think that's a good point. That's a good one. I think Zondas will continue to go up as they become, I mean, allegedly. Brings a new market in. I agree. million dollars but I bet those continue to go up very special car.

Yep. Good one. What's another one? NSXR with the fixed headlights. I think the same way. That's a special car and they came out no two which means they're two years away from being legal and same thing is going to happen on R34

with those. On the topic of R34, I actually think values might go down. We have a bunch of them that are coming into the US now and so like supply has gone up on them and I wonder if value stay as high as they have. They're all pre-perjured. Like, every R34, basically at this point, it's pre-purchase.

Yeah, the values went up because there was so much interest. I actually think the question I think is actually related specifically to the R34, which is which cars start to see their prices increase as they get close to that 25 curve. You know, another one is the RS4-Avon, B7 R-S4-Avon. That car is 19. E-161M-5. Both of those cars are not particularly valuable right now. I think E-46M-3 CSL might be one of those on that list.

People will do the manual conversion to them as they. should. That's a good one. There are quite a few. There are cars, though, that, like, are these special Euro import. Like, my G-Wagon cab values are going to go down. Defender values went down. Yep.

Because the 25 thing just opened up a much wider market. Now, G-Cabs are still valuable in Europe, but, you know, you don't have to federalize it anymore. My car is now 25. Like, I federalized it. I got six great years with it before it was legal because we legalized it, but now I could just buy one. And the results are perplexing and difficult.

to accept. No, I don't really care. Let me tell you this. I want to make a point here. Ooh. In four years, four short years, I am going to import a, yeah, thumbs down. I'm going to import a C-55 AMG wagon.

Okay. Okay. I'm here for that. It was my favorite AMGC class. That is a sketchy thing to say. You're slicing that pretty thin here. Dude, I loved all AMGC classes. Oh, do you?

Okay. Oh, except the new C40. I haven't liked any. Which I like, but they're not, it's not the same. You haven't liked any AMG C class, the C36 and the C43, the originals? The C55, that body was so little and had a giant. I've also never liked a C-class estate. The C-63, the original C-63, you don't like that wagon?

I've never been a C-class fan. Filippo's an E-classman. This is legitimately been true consistently across my entire life. Must be nice to just be an E-class guy. Yep. It is. You know, I sometimes plan for the future, which we might need some, austerity. You know what I mean?

Next question. Two more. Next question. I would then import a C-180 estate, not a C-55, but fun. You know what he would import? You know what he would import? You know what car he was looking forward to in a couple years? E-46 compact. I would be so into it if you've got one of those stuff. Filippo has this interest in all these cars, but he won't import him. He's like the one guy who should. He's got the money and the interest and he won't do it. Yeah, look at those headlights. Look at those headlights.

What was the creature from Leelow and Stitch? Well, like, lots of eyes. That's what it was. Why did this happen? Why didn't they just give it the headlights from the regular car? I don't know. This must have cost so much more to do on their cheapest car. It makes no sense.

So weird and heinous. Obviously, I want one. You agree. Oh, of course. Yeah, I am. H-nish. S-54 swap that thing and heartbeat. Did you imagine S-54 swapping that, throwing some good suspension on there, putting the little gills in?

You show up at Felipe's house, he would run inside. He'd be like, please don't hurt me. Is there a single photo with the hood look like it was painted alongside the car? What is the deal with that has? This one included. What is going on? That's a good point. Unfortunately, those were all sold as 316 Ds.

Okay, two more questions. Next one from Ethan Hickerson. Doug, what car have you reviewed have you had to do the most research on? The answer is the cars that will get the most views. I'm always afraid. Like, in F50, you've got to really do some work in that video. Right. Great.

I'm serious. Next question from Inexpla. How about bringing back the Doug car? I know Doug has enough vehicles in his personal fleet, but how about from time to time buying something weird to keep around the office for a few months for the gang to drive and make videos? No. I don't, I will never buy another car as long as I live. Well, I think the person might be asking about something like the Kyan.

Well, let's talk about that. Let's talk about that. So I'm not personally going to do it. Right. Would the company be? interested in doing it? I think if you make a really compelling case. A producer shaking his head, yes.

Let's say I want to multiply. Like, I want to multiply. I also want to multiply. We want multiple, right? Right. I'm not doing it. I've imported too many cars. It's too many headaches.

There's tariffs now. I don't know how it's going to be tariffed. I like to think that you and I combined have some weight. Now, you have some weight. And I have a little bit. So let's do this. But I want to be very clear here. And it's the same of the kind.

I'm not associated with this. I'm not paying for. for this, I'm not in any way, shape, or form part of this. Financially and headacheally. It's something to finance. It's really the headache. Because remember when the A class was dumping fuel? Yes.

I brought the A class here, thinking that it was going to be the coolest little thing. We brought it here. We got it outside. It came off the truck, and it was just dumping fuel on the ground. And I said to Felipe, I gave him the keys and I said, handle this. And I think Kenan did. It was great. Yeah, it's like to Mercedes-Tico. It was fine. But that, yes. Now, of course, we'll back. up to eight seconds ago when you said that you're going to import a C-55. In five years.

And I'm going to hold firm to that. So fine. I'm not buying any more cars, but in five years I'll grant myself a $23,000 exception. But it's a... You're not going to do that anyway. Oh, I absolutely. I'm going to do that. You don't want to deal with that headache.

Romney, you'll take care of it all for me. In five years, it'll be a different, Doug. In five years, I'll be ready. He goes through this. No, no. I'm done. I've been clear about this. I haven't bought a car in like two, almost two years now.

Yeah. Because Kuntash is the last car I bought. Okay, daily drivers don't count. I don't understand. It's a car. You say, I'm not buying a car. You purchased a vehicle. Outside your four wheels.

I'm going to tell you the title to. I'm saying I'm not buying any more cars, but when the daily drivers age out, I will replace them. I'm not going to be driving around on a Hupmobile because I said I wouldn't buy any more cars. Like the daily driver cars are boring. They will be replaced. Nobody cares with those. When I do videos with them, literally no one watches. Nobody cares.

However, I haven't bought a fun car and I'm not going to. Okay. but if the office wants to buy a car If this is a coy head of V8, it would have been a fun car. If the, no, it wouldn't have. If the office wants to buy a car,

I'm interested. I hear you. You do something with the money for the company. You have some role with the finances because I get emails from you about how the finances are going. So you must have some sway.

Couldn't you misplace 20 grand and we'd get a multiple? I don't even think it would be 20. I think it'd be a lot less than 20. All email and everything. All in, I bet. It's still less than 20. If you have multiple,

30, headled in the U.S., let me know. Carved, maybe. Okay, last question, and I believe this one is just for me and Felipe, from Gruncle, Latanar.

Question for Doug Oral, but it's going to be for us. Which Eagle model was your favorite, and which was the most unusual? Okay, this is a tough one. The most unusual, the most unusual was undoubtedly the Eagle premiere. Pull it up, please.

Yeah. Oh, shit. I was so shocked by that. The Eagle Premier. I'm sure we've never sold one. No, no. Yeah, that's fine. It'll come on.

Eagle Premier car. There you go. Click on that. So the Eagle Premier was a rebadged. Do you know? Yeah. Okay, the Eagle Premier was also sold as the Dodge Monaco. That was the common one that we also got in the States, and it was sold as a Renault.

I don't know where, but in other markets, this was inexplicably also sold as a Renault. Now, there it is with a Renault badge on it. What am I thinking of? This is going deep, but AMC and Renault got tied up together. and they made cars in Wisconsin together. And then AMC became Jeep and Eagle, and so Eagle kept the Renault tie. And so there were some Eagles that were Renaos.

This is deep stuff. This is 35 years ago, Detroit stuff. What am I thinking of? Nothing. You're thinking of nothing. Yeah, there you go. Those were the three. The Dodge Monaco.

That was the Eagle Summit sedan. That I don't even know what it is. And there was the Eagle premiere. Okay. The best Eagle, though, was the Vision TSI. You know, everybody knows. I don't agree with the Eagle lineup turns out. Come back on something else.

Yeah, the VisionTTSI is good. Vision TSI was one of the first cars with a Tiptronic. They called it Autostick. This is true. And you could manually shift. Porsche had come out with it like the prior year, and then Eagle came out with it. So it was the famous Big Two. Really?

Porsche and Eagle. Like cutting edge technology. Very sharp talons on that eagle. It didn't work either. They auto stick was designed very differently than Tipronic. It didn't really shift gears. It kind of told the transmission the max that you wanted to go to. And the transmission actually turned out to be the weak point in the whole car.

And there are none of these left anywhere, even in Detroit. I was going to say the AMC Eagle, which was then they called the Eagle Wagon briefly, is the best. But that wasn't an Eagle. It was then called it referred to as the Eagle Wagon. Maybe for an afternoon. Yeah. The actual answer to this question, by the way, the Eagle Talon TSI is the best Eagle. It was the DSM car.

They sold two generations of it, and it is just as good as the eclipse. And I always felt, honestly, I always felt it looked better. Because they did some of them with white wheels, with white with white wheels. And anytime you can do white wheels, I can't. I don't know how to do it. There you go. There's one. What sedan was I thinking?

1GDSM. There's nothing like a 1GDSM. Dude, you get a 1GDSM, a voltmeter, and a straight stretch a road, and you got yourself a weekend. You know what I'm saying? No. Absolutely. I have no clue. They had all sorts of electrical machines, just tons.

All right. Volt meter. And you would do the straight stretch of road because you'd get like a little bit down. Oh, that's right. That's right. Right. Anyway. And you want to fix it on a straight stretch to avoid.

Well, you would, that's where you would do your testing. Right. Okay. All right. That's the end of that. This was the finest pod we've ever done, I believe. Best one we've done for sure. Felipe.

Any parting words? Sure. Check out cars and beds. com. Bye, everyone. Goodbye.