THIS CAR POD! with Doug DeMuro & Friends! - Auto Manufacturers React to Tariffs! New Porsche 911 Prices are INSANE! Every BMW M3 Ranked.

Episode Date: April 4, 2025

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And welcome to this car pod. I'm Kenan. I'm Philippo. And let's start with the news. And we begin once again with tariffs in this rather confusing graphic. I want to talk a little bit, just a little bit about tariffs. Last week we covered the main thrust of the news story,

25% tariffs on all imported cars and some large car parts. A couple of developments have happened. I don't want to rehash that whole thing, but a couple of developments have happened. One is that when asked about car prices, rising this week, the president said that he couldn't care less. Yep, that sounds about much. So that's interesting.

I mean, this is a storied American industry that employs hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people between dealerships and production and the corporate offices and somewhere in the supply chain, totally logistics. So he couldn't care less, which I thought was interesting. One other thing that I've been thinking a lot about with the tariffs that I wanted to voice Trump has said that we're getting screwed and that we're going to make all the money. Yeah. You know who's going to make the money?

The government. It's not us. Who's we? We got it, got it. You know what? You understand what I'm saying? This has really started hitting hit me later. Like Trump said, oh, we're getting screwed by these other countries.

Now we're going to charge that money and we're going to make more. No, we're not. We're going to pay more. Of course. The government is going to make more. It would be beneficial if that money then went back into government programs, which are being cut by Doge. So it's not really.

Or just into our hands. The Trump administration is also counting on tariffs to offset a lot of tax cuts. There's a renewal also in Congress or now. Show me the tax cuts. Right. But a lot of their math around tax cuts does include a lot of revenues from tariffs offsetting losses. Okay. But my point here is the tariffs are being pitched as a way for us to make money.

I think that us in this case is the government. It will actually cost us money. And in my remembrance, when the liberals raise taxes, they call that a tax hike. And then we lose some of our money. They call it a tax hike. How is this not also a tax hike? No, no, it is. Okay.

There's a couple of things that are also worth saying about tariffs that came out after we recorded last week. So car parts being one of them, car parts are included in tariffs. To some extent, unclear where that delineation starts and ends. And in theory, components that are made in the U.S., but then used in final production that happens outside of the U.S., the value of those components will be factored in to offset the tariff costs. So, in theory, like, let's say you ship something, you produce half the value of a car in the U.S.,

you're only paying tariffs on half to be. They will figure it out. The car makers are required to, to, like, issue statements about precisely what percentage of parts comes from various countries and regions. So it's actually doable. So then the car is only partially tariff. But like how much is the value? Just for the component, like when does the final insulation add value, does it not?

If you look through enough government website pages where there is some guidance, it becomes very clear that nobody knows quite yet. The government has basically said, we're going to figure that out for right. We will backdate savings, I guess, once we figure it out from when tariffs go back. I mean, it's just totally insane. But I do think that something that is being not really considered here is that Trump's like, oh, we're going to win. And very few Americans support the tariffs.

It is a vast minority, a vastly small minority. But the part who do seem to believe this we're going to win. And the more I think about it, the more I realize the we who's going to win is the government. We are going to lose. And in fact, as I even thought about it more, the COVID markups, the adjusted dealer markup, is back. But this time, the moneymaker is the government. The government is issuing markups. It's been interesting to see how different manufacturers are planning on rolling these out.

For example, Volkswagen said today that they're going to keep prices the same for the first two weeks of April. And then in middle of April, they're going to announce the dealerships how prices will increase. But on Windows stickers, it will read manufacturer suggested retail price and then like import fee to delineate where that comes from. On that subject, our next news story for the day is this exact subject, which is Ferrari, who also made an announcement. Ferrari announced that they are going to just increase prices. on their desirable cars, which is the F80 and the 12-cylindry. Desirable cars. Those are the desirable Ferraris.

The F-80 is desirable. The F-80 is desirable. And hypercar prices have always kind of fluctuate desirable. In the Purosanway. They're going to increase prices on Purosongue. I'm glad they've admitted publicly that some of their models are a little less. And Roma and S-F-90, they are not going to be increasing prices. They said they said.

I didn't read about 206. I assume it's included in the price of price. 296 S-F-90 and Roma are not going. Oh, 296 won't change. How is that? I mean, that's, it's more competitive. That segment's more competitive. It is.

They also said they're going to cap the increases at 10%. 10%. 10%. However, but that's a lot. You're talking about a lot of... On a 12-celendry, that's got to be $40,000. Exactly. 12%, 40%.

I mean, or 50, yes. Again, the federal government is doing ADMs. Everybody who complain about markups, if you're supporting this, the federal government is doing markups. And again, that money is not going to us. It is going to him and the government. It is insane. So, but regardless, that's what far as you know, Mercedes-Benz announced that they are thinking of simply not importing their low-end cars because their margin on the low-end, low-end cars must be pretty small.

Yeah. You have a G-Sixie-3 behind you. You got to imagine that that car has significant margins. Yeah. Maybe not 25% margins, but if they can increase the price 5%, 10%, eat the rest, they can for a year or six months or whatever. On a GLA, good luck, which is what they've said, to be clear. And GLA is built in, is that built in Germany? Yeah.

C-class? I think also both the Germany. Only the SUVs that are bigger than the GLA year built here? They don't build in Mexico. So Mercedes-Benz might just not be sending us the low-end cars for a couple model years. Well, they haven't decided. Nobody has made full decisions. Even this decision from Volkswagen is a temporary stopgap.

The BMW price protection for a month is a temporary stopgap because the automakers aren't really sure how long this is going to last. They assume not very long. And they're also trying to build in, to build, I think Mercedes-Benz especially is trying to build as much inventory as they can. Their ports and pretty much any land they own is, I think, full of cars. That's because they can get those imported before April 3rd. But it's hard. I mean, these were announced two weeks ago. Having worked in this industry and worked with the logistics people, you can't get these cars on boats that quickly.

Like the terrorists were announced, then they go into effect. They're not, they're trying to get all the cars port processed right away, I'm sure. Yeah. But that doesn't, after that, the cars were on boats. You can't speed up the boats. It's game over. That's it. Yep.

And also, to be clear, you can't speed up the boat. You can try. A whole lot of guidance still pending around how this will work, how calculations will work about where parts are produced, et cetera.

Also, it's still unclear if this 25% is on top of the chicken tax for vans and trucks. We think it is, but it has not been clarified yet. So, like, if you're Enios and you already have a $100,000 pickup

in the quartermaster, is that $125,000? I will tell you that. That is, I bet, the only vehicle that is chicken taxed. There's a few others that are subject to that, I think. But yeah, pretty much. Nobody else imports.

I don't think so. Trucks and vans, I don't think so. I don't think there are any other trucks and vans that are not built here in North America, although they are built in Mexico and Canada. But those were never subjects. The chicken tax only applied outside. Okay. Regardless, a lot of guidance still to come.

A lot of guidance still to come. Insane situation. And the government is, we're going to be spending more. Everything is going to cost more and the government's going to make more money. That's called a tax hike. for a lot of people. It's fair framing. By the way, the one thing that came out last week after we recorded is that the Trump administration also floated a tax credit for auto loans. So the interest would be tax deductible as it is for mortgages generally. Give me a break. But like who does that

help? Not really people buying Q. And also it's a small amount. What is, okay, say you have one of those trucks that everybody complains about on Instagram that is a 1,300 monthly payment. What is your, what is your, you can only deduct the interest. So what is the interest payment? $150.50? And you can... So like a couple grand a year? A couple grand a year. Yeah.

Okay. A couple grand a year in total. Then you deduct it. So it saves you... And only... Even if you're at the highest tax bracket, it saves $1,000 a year. And not if you take the standard deduction. I promise you,

$1,000 a year, that truck's going to cost more than $1,000 a year just based on these tariffs. I also just have this deep theory and feeling. And here's Doug on a soapbox. The tariffs are un-American. At the end of the day, this country was founded by founders who created an amazing thing that has been incredibly successful for 250 years and across a vast swath of the world.

And this country has always been something that other countries look up to when thinking about constitutions and freedom and the way capitalism can work with a society. And that's because we weren't protectionist. This country went out and competed against the best, and we won every single year. We, America succeeds. All of the products that we make, all of the things that we do win against foreign countries. And we didn't need protectionism to do that. And I think it's just not American to, but we're going to protect our industries and hope they work well.

Look at the countries that tariff. It ain't the countries you want to be. Okay. Anyway. And on that, no, no disagreement. I'm not wrong. Let's move on to Aston Martin. Yes.

So Aston Martin has announced that they are going to do another equity raise. This would be the seventh they have done since 2020. Wow. Now, we have said previously that Ashton Martin is suffering financially. Well, nothing's changed. But it also seems that they are anticipating having a lot of financial troubles going into this tariff session. About one third of the cars they produce come to the United States. A third of Aston's.

Yes, we're a huge market for them. And we already know those cars get heavily discounted and incentivized. They have problems. It's not like Ferrari. It's not like Ferrari. Ferrari, though they really want to be. And maybe they will be someday if they build really sure stuff, but they aren't right now. He believes in Aston.

He does. He wants to. Because they have poor enthusiasts who are racing. Like, in theory, it should be everything we love. And yet, I want to, I just give them, I want to give them the benefit of the doubt. They have to deliver on it, but I want to give it to them. Because they have a 12-cell-in-car going to LaMalle this year. How cool is that?

He slipped it in two weeks in a row. No, that's right. That's right. It's what happens when he deprive me of a news story. I'm going to keep sliding. Wait till we get to LaMong. I'm going to watch the whole thing. Anyway, anyway.

On the pond. It's just going to be alive. 24 hours. But yes, they don't have had issues going to China too. They did a 5% cut in their workforce as a result of sales relating to China specifically. So there's a lot going on. But Lawrence Stroll, who is the chairman, has decided that he's going to invest more of his money.

He's put $600 million in the company already. He's bought, now he's going to buy some more of the Formula One team for 52. million dollars. So he's like... So Stroll himself is putting money in. He's a billionaire. He's putting his own money into this brand. Now part of that is, I think, so his son can have a seat in a Formula One car, which is what everybody believes.

Yep. But he bought the entire... Is the son good? Oh, the worst. Not the worst, but he's pretty bad. And it's universally agreed upon that Landstrel is not that great. It's like broad and broadie. But Fernando Lanzas is quite good. But like, and next year they're going to be formidable. You know, the formula...

We can talk forever about racing. Are they going to take the Valker into Formula One? Oh, what an idea. That's not how it works. Should be. Back in the day, Formula One car, you drive it to the track, you win, you drive it home, back in the day. But no, Lance Stroll's largely known for crashing into things.

Yeah, but it is... Once, right. So it seems, this announcement, they're framing it as we need to prepare for tariffs and stuff like that. Sure. I think Lawrence Rolls wanted more control over the Formula One team, so he put more money into it. So they're doing another capital raise, the seventh capital race since 20th. This is even G. Is it even G's...

Is it even G's... No, it's... Aston is, I'm sure they call it a seed continuation, to be fair, but it's not entirely news in the sense that we know Ashton's in trouble. They've always been in trouble. They're still in trouble. And it's a shame because I think if I think about what their long range plan could be, it seems like it could be cool. Well, they've got, they have, yeah, exactly. They have the foundation of what could be. Like, it's kind of what Ferrari did.

They did really cool stuff on the racetrack. That's a whole road car. You know what a problem is? Front engine. Give me a mid-engine car that competes with two nine. and give me something that competes with 9-11. With a stick. 296 is doing well.

It's sold out for years. 9-11 and 9-11 turbo do well. They're sold out for years. Compete there. Do not give us front-engine cars anymore. Please. I take the R-8 approach of giving us something that is mid-engined, cool, and exciting,

and a true alternative to the existing cars. Boom. And price it at 143. Yep. I'm serious. I mean, that's, yeah. You give us a stick V8 that looks cool at 143. you win. The R8 was

109 when it came out and it changed Audi forever. Exactly. And I'm not saying Aston Martin has the same formula and that you're not so in Q3s. But I think that's a viable route for them and they should really consider something. The problem is they don't want to spend the money to develop

a mid-engine car, but one of the things that I've realized it's Nissan's problem too. You either spend the money and win or don't spend the money and lose. You may spend the money and lose, but if you don't spend the money, you're not going to win. Like Nissan is not going to become successful by building the same trash they have built. And I just, Ashton doesn't build trash, but like, give us a mid-engine sports car.

I totally agree with that. I love the front-end of V-12 stuff. I'm not saying you can't build that stuff too, but give us something. We know with Ferrari. The front-engine V-12s are not as successful. Yes, they are tremendously more expensive. They sell to a much more niche group of clients. If you want to sell to the masses who want mid-agent sports cars, which is clear by, I mean,

Porsche's not mid-engine, but from all the other success that McLaren- But it is a true sports car. I think Aston sits here and they see this and they say, no, we're Aston. We don't build. It's too sporty for Ashton. It's that stubborn British stiff upper lip. Like, that's great. You want to make money or not?

You want to make money? It's pretty simple. You want Laurenstrel to keep pumping money? Do that and do a G-Wagon and your game over. Instead of a DBX, which is a boring, non-appeal. Do that and do a G-wagon. And your game... Equivalent, yeah.

You will sell that the hell out of that in the Middle East. You will sell the hell out of that in here in the U.S. Retool that factory where they're building the DBX. for a G-wagon, an Aston G-wagon. Of course, then Mercedes will probably stop selling a engine. That's probably sure. This episode is brought to you by Ava. Cars and good credit score go hand in hand.

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Q1 is over. We're in April now. That means like Q1 sales numbers are coming in. Full different manufacturers. Looking at sales numbers. I do love it. Yep. So much.

Long story short, March, exceptional month for almost everybody. Especially the last two weeks, everybody in response to the tariffs has gone out and bought a car, knowing that cars be more expensive. Yeah. Subaru had their 32nd in a row month-over-month growth, and is their best month ever. What?

Yeah. That's not made a fact. That is a true statement. 32 months in a row, three years of growth. Yep. Just about. Wow. Kia and Hyundai combined had record sales in March and in Q1,

but there are a couple exceptions. You want to guess what they are? There's two big brands. I'm looking at it here, but I would have guessed it anyway. Tesla is undoubtedly an exception. Tesla, Q and Q1. all the news story. It was down 13% globally, 5.8% of the US.

13% globally. That's Q1 this year versus Q1 last year. So the question is, to what extent do we think that it's EVs? To what extent do we think that it's 5.6% down in the US? Do we think that it's people who don't want to associate with Elon? It's certainly the latter. It was down 5.6% in the US, so less impacts here than in Europe, certainly. Right.

Which is very long time. Which has been a big market for Tesla. And other manufacturers, including Kia, Hyundai, had record EV sales. Interesting. So Kia and Hyundai have record EV sales. Tesla is going down. People are looking for alternatives. It's not that they're not looking for EVs necessarily.

I also saw that GM had a really strong EV. Correct. Correct. They're not looking necessarily not looking for EVs. They're not looking for Elon. I will say Q1 had some EV incentives in the U.S. that ended in Q1. So that probably brought forward some demand.

But nevertheless. Numbers are numbers. Atlantis down 12% in the quarter, quarter over quarter. 10th Jeep down 10%. So there are some manufacturers that are still struggling. That's a seventh quarterly decline. nine in a row for Solanthus. So struggling.

But the end of March is really telling just how many cars were sold in last two weeks prior to tariffs being launched. And it brought everybody up pretty notably. There were a few manufacturers that had flat quarters. Toyota was flat on the quarter, but incredible marches. I think they're all prepared for Q2, especially, to be a rough quarter. You buy a Sequoia? You don't have to worry about tariffs. Right.

unless parts are important from Ulster, which may be the case. You know, it was interesting. I was looking at my Sequoia window sticker, and it doesn't say what percentage of the parts come from the U.S. and what percentage come from other countries. A lot of window stickers do say that, but the two cars that I own that were built in the U.S. do not say that on Windows stickers.

I wonder if they don't have... But that's annoying. I want to know what percent of my Sequoia. I don't know. It should still say. Career GT, zero percent. The United States. Is that true?

Yeah. Mine 5 is 97 percent German and 3 percent of America. Well, it's 19% something. Yeah. But 3% American, yeah. I think that's... It could be 97% German, but the career GT is like 20% Italian because the carbon tubs are all built in Italy.

Oh. Wow. What a lot of fact. So, in other words, the automaker sales were strong in March. We'll see how they are in Q2. I suspect... I imagine every manufacturer is planning for a really tough April and a probably pretty tough Q2 in now. I bet April's not going to be as bad because I bet the majority of cars that are on the dealer lots in April

are not tariff. except that consumers being worried and dealerships seizing on it by marketing pre-tariffs. But I bet dealerships will seize on even that and say, hey, this one's not tariffs. That's true. That'll be interesting. That's true. If they shift, yeah, if they shift their focus to marketing that, that these aren't tariffed. That's an interesting point. That'll be interesting. Some cars on the lot will have tariffs on them. Some cars won't.

Man, that'll be a line. It'll be a dividing line. It really will. The 992, they just announced the Carrara S. Yes, this is the dot-2 Carrera S. This is their revision, which, you know, looks very similar to the one that came before, but there are some important talk to this. So you think they took this picture up the street in the road to Delmar?

Well, no, that's definitely not this. Our producer thinks that, but he's wrong. He's got to be wrong. But they did take a lot of press pictures of this car, and it appears to be in San Diego. Some of them are driving the wrong side of the road, but yeah. Regardless. Regardless. Pricing was announced.

Yeah. Yikes on a stick. Now, the pricing was announced before the tariff. 2026. It is not. Porsche has not commented on whether that includes forecast of tariff increases, I will say. Which is crazy because we're at tariff day. Porsche's got to say something at some point here.

I'd wait to. Regardless, of all the automakers and the tariffs, I wouldn't be surprised if Porsche is the most impacted because they probably have the highest percentage of volume that comes from, I mean, a Freud is also 100% of volume, but their volume's not as high. Porsche is, it makes probably 40,000, 45,000 sales a year in the United States and 100% of it is built outside the U.S.

And in competitive segments. The McComb, the Kaya, are competitive to all. other vehicles. They're price shopped. That's exactly right. And I'll tell you this. With new Carrera pricing, the 9-11 is going to be price shopped, too. The new Carrera starts at 130,000 United States dollars.

130. That's a base career. Carrera. Are you aware that a new Z-O-6 is the same price? What does a new ZO-6 goes? 129. Is that true? It's so close to the same price.

No, new Z-Z6 starts at 114. What? So, and you wouldn't get a base model, but you wouldn't get a base 9-11 either. They added something as pretty. previously optional standard, but we're talking a $1304. A base Carrera. It's $8,000 more than it was in 2020, that it is this year. The base career is eight grand more.

Yeah. That is true. A Carrera S is 150. A GTS. I had that GTS press car a couple of weeks ago. Yeah. 205. For a GTIF?

For a GTS. Man, I could think of... 205. It makes a G2 look like a great deal, by the way. You can get a Mercielago. You can get a Lamborghini, Mercya Lod. Go to the Mercilago dealer. GT3s start at 224, by the way.

G3 started 224. Which feels like a deal if a GTS with some options is the same price. Yeah, now getting a GT3 is not always the easiest thing and getting one with no options. 997 Gt3 was a 119 car. I'm trying to look. 109 car. Oh, you're trying to do the adjusted for inflation. No, I'm just trying to look at the windows dig.

I guarantee you adjust for inflation. This doesn't come out in Porsche's favor. I guarantee you. There's no, they did an eight grand price increase. I don't, inflation was not, I was, hey, hey, hey. They also included the leather package as standard. That was $2,800. There are a couple of things.

No, no, there's still $5,000 of, in a couple. The brakes from the GTS are standard now on this car. There's a bunch of other things, active sports. A 997 Gt3, a 997 Gt3 in 2007. 17 years ago. Long time, yeah. 106. Bace.

106,000. $106,000. In 07 money, that's, that's $160. And the car now costs $225. Think about that. The fact that a base starts at 130. I will say, Porsche obviously is doing, look, we're talking G-Wagon today. Porsche's doing this for the same reason.

They keep raising G-Wraises. Do you know what new G-63 now cost the same as a G-550 did when this model came out? The new G-60 now cost the same, or the new G-550 now cost the same as the G-6-3 did just five years ago. What? But the reason is, the reason is, 150 base. But the reason is they sell them. Yeah. Porsche's sitting here going, we're selling them.

Let's just keep raising it until they start not to sell, which let's face it, it just doesn't seem like it's going to happen. But if it's 25% on top of that, well, that would be hard. Porsche is also in a situation, though, where this car is becoming more and more desired, more and more vaunted. Ferrari is only getting more expensive. There was a time in the 70s and 80s when a 9-11 and a 308 were comparable cars. And then it became 0.9-11 turbo is comparable to the Ferrari lineup. Now, even kind of Ferrari's even gone beyond those. But these cars are just really special.

The thing that I find odd, though, is Porsche doesn't have an entry car to really capitalize on this. You're saying Kamen-Boxter, but they're about to go electric and they're not even... Maybe. Where is it... Where is a 78 to $112,000 Porsche? It's a five-year-old model. You'll find it at the CPO a lot. Yeah, I guess.

But interesting. It both feels like so much money. 130 feels like a ton of money for a base-down-11 with 360. horsepower, I don't remember, something in that realm. Yeah, that's a lot of money for not a ton of power, but people buy them. Well, the career, this, now the dot two career

now makes 4753. Yeah, but what about a base? Yeah. Nobody knows. 450 in that Carrera S is a pretty strong number. Bases 388, four careers, 470. 473.

And the GTSI drove, I was just complaining about the price, but the GTSI drove was 535 horsepower. That is big. You know what a ZO6 has? 670. Well, yeah, and the ZR1, which is cheaper than all these cars has a million horsepower. Right.

About approximately a million plus or minus a couple. Okay, with that in mind, bring us back to our next news story. Can somebody tell me what this vehicle is? This is a karma Amaris? Karma Amaris. Karma exists? Karma exists. So the story of this is the Fisker Karma came out 20 years ago,

created by Henrik Fisker, this futuristic car. When he abandoned the company or sold it or God knows what happened, then it became karma as the brand, not the model. Wasn't Bob Lutz involved at some point? He was. He was going to do V8s. They didn't know. Okay.

And then the Karma Rivera is what the sedan is called, but now they've come out with a coop called the Amaris. I guess. They have cars. They have all these cars. They make these? The Invictus. This is just straight vaporware. Do any of these exist?

Wait, do you say that, but three of them appear to be just a fiscar karma? Yeah. They do. So, okay. Is it still powered by this is the same? This is the same. I think it might be all. So do we think this is, it's got a BMW turbocharged.

four-cylinder. Oh, they've updated. That's nice. Oh, they give us the pronunciation. Thank God. It's a Marr. The current car uses a 1.5-liter BMW three-cylinder with a plug-in hybrid

for 536 total horsepower. None of these vehicles exist. We live where this company is in theory-based. Really? Yeah, Karma is based in SoCal. Huh. I guess that makes sense. I suspect we'll see one at Monterey Car Week,

and that will be all. Do you think they have money to go to Monterey Caron? But. No, they'll just ride it. I went to Lake Como, the concours in Villadesse. The Lotus Iveja, they just had it going back and forth and back and forth on the main street. They didn't have like a booth. Lotus couldn't afford such a thing.

So they just drove the car around a bunch. They did what Lancia did to prove the 037 was like Hamaget. They drove one, like changed the number of play. Maybe it was the color. I can't remember. They had like a couple. They'll have like a rap shop. So one day they'll drive it around in red and then the next day they'll drive around in blue.

Right. Right, exactly. So this is just like the. The Asperg Owl, basically. It looks cool. It does look really cool. Beautiful. The Asperk Owl is not pretty, but this looks really nice.

They did some launch of it and... But hopefully it exists. We've hosted a Carmara River. We've hosted a Rivera. We've hosted a Rivera. We got a GS6 coming up, which is like the newer or not new version of the Carmar Vero. Right. Yeah.

Okay. That's a weird situation and a weird news. It's live right now on Cars and Bedford. Move on to the next one, please. Ah, yes. Awesome. Cars hanging from a crane. Honda.

has dangled three passports from a crane. It's a shame this is our image, actually, because it happened in the desert. Well, I sure hope so. I hope this wasn't over a crowded area. Are you curious about what happened? So what are they trying to convey yours here? Hang in there for the terrorists.

Honda is desperately trying, and obviously they'll fail, but they're trying to convince people that the passport is an off-road SUV. It's not body-on-frame, it has no lockers, etc. Strong for it? But what it has is recovery hooks. So they took a group of passports out to the desert, and you're thinking, oh, are they going to do an off-road trail? No, they're going to go somewhere with a crane and dangle the cars to show that they can be towed.

Well, I mean, it is truly off-road. They're in the air. They're not as off-road, I think, as you could possibly get. That's a great point, Kenyon. Yikes. Somebody else has done this recently, too. New passport looks good, by the way. It does.

It's just not a four-round. Honda. Honda sees the forerunner sales. They're like, we want that. But they're like, we can't really invest in that. And it's like, okay, we'll do this. We'll make a pilot, but we'll put it in the desert with hooks. It's showing how strong the frame is. Well, and you know what?

At the end of the day, we're talking about it. So it didn't kind of work. But we're also talking about how it's a second rid off rotor and it's an idiot thing. That's true. Hilarious, though. Lovely, lovely idea, whoever came up with it. Last news story of the day. Speaking of cars that are flying.

So here's one of my favorite pictures of the year so far. This is a Bugatti Chiron that is being seized. Now, evidently, this was in Austria on the Ringstrasse. In Vienna, yeah. In Vienna. And they have recently increased, like, their severity of their laws regarding speed, particularly in and around populated areas. This car was evidently doing, it was doing 76 miles an hour thereabouts, like, just driving.

Which, let's be honest, in a shiron, not hard to do. Not hard to do, but that road is the main road around the main inner city section of Vienna. 76 is a wild number on that street. Yeah, so, yeah. So this guy got pulled, and sure enough, they had threatened to impound cars if they were going more than 60 kilometers an hour in urban areas. And boy, did they. This is, this is, I suspect they wanted to do this to make a point, but they did. There is.

No front plate, too. I live in fear of this. I live in fear that one of my sports cars will be, you know. You think this will happen to us at some stage? Well, they can do that in California, in any state, honestly, if you're going fast enough and sometimes I think about that. It's very good of course. kind of can't. But you know what I'm thinking?

Like, what if they saw me at my speediest? Not that I've ever speeded, God. But what if they're like, what happens? Like, is the tow company or the city of Vienna going to properly store and maintain a Bugatti she road? Absolutely. That is your biggest deterrent for speeding. Yep.

You don't want your car. Like, the dude probably doesn't care about the driver's license points or the fine, but like you do not want a month or however long it is with the city of Vienna and their tow guys. Right. Messing with a shirot. No, they're Austrian. They're careful and deliberate and professional.

I think toe guys are tow guys anywhere in the world. Yes, exactly. But what a fascinating thing to see a Bugatti being put onto a tow truck this way. Yeah, pretty crazy situation, especially because in Vienna, I mean, you're pretty far from being able to drive this car at crazy speeds on the Autobahn, but doing speeds like that, in real, I mean, this isn't a highway or anything. This is a pedestrian's walking. Well, yeah, look at it.

I mean, yeah, it's incredibly tight. Just to put this thing on the truck must have taken a lot of effort. And no front plate. No front plate. Got to put that too. Can't do that in Europe. In California, in the United States, you get away with that. Not in Europe.

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God knows why. What color is that? I'm going to tell you the story about the G63. Okay, here's what happened. My wife's car got hit in front of our house. And so it's at the body shop. And so for the last two weeks, since it's been in the body shop, I have been getting press cars that are family-friendly.

How convenient. So I got an ask, well, I reviewed them. I reviewed them also. They were brand new cars. In fact, in both cases, I was not the one who specifically asked for the car. Audi reached out and said, will you review the SQ60? Do you want to? I said, yes.

And then Hyundai reached out and said, do you want to review the Ionic 5 XRT? And I would have said no if I had known more about it. But unfortunately, anyway, so it came. So then this shows up, which was Mercedes reached out. And this shows up. And my wife looks at and she's like, I'm not going to drive that. You know, I got aside with your wife here.

Yeah. Pretty embarrassing. No, I love it. I'm into it. I hate the wheels. With your tasteful sweater, you're into this? No, no, I would obviously never own one, but I would just. It's a round for the day.

What? 100%. Get out of here. I'm going to tell you three things. If your wife wants a GTI for a couple days, you can trade. We were actually talking about this because my wife wants something to do it this car, but there's a group of people for whom this shows up at their house. They'd be like, oh my God, I can't wait to drive it.

Like, you go to L.A., and this is still the hottest thing in the world among certain people. Like, there's these people who think it's the coolest thing in the world, and then these people who have the same wealth who laugh at these people, right? Who are like, I can't believe you'd want to be seen in that thing. Everybody in Malibu and Brentwood and... However, to Mercedes-Benz credit, cars been on waiting lists for six years.

It came out in 19. That new body G has been out for this is its seventh model year. Hard to believe. That is a refresh, technically, right? This is a refresh. That's why they were offering it to me. Do you know what's refreshed? They put a little spoiler over the windshield.

You'll watch the video. I'll watch. I'll find out. That'll fix it. For a minor facelift, those are the videos that I watch. There's a spoiler over the windshield to increase aerodynamics. Oh, yes, because when I think aerodynamic efficiency, the G-wagon is the first year.

Well, now you do because of the windshield's point. You're right. Yep, exactly. Jokes on me. That car, a couple things about it. That color, but you make fun of the color. It's $6,500 extra. What is it called?

Orange Helmagno? It's called Copper Orange Magno. That's close. The interior, it has some manufacturer interior. Of course. The leather and the extended interior package is $24,000. So, manufacturer is where you like paint the sample. I don't understand it because they have Dezino.

They have manufacturer. Neither name has ever caught on in the market. No. But they really think there's something. Mercedes-Benz really thinking. As somebody with a designeur exterior and interior, I care about it. Flexing. The point is, this is here, and it's $235,000. And the G, I drive in it around and I'm like, you know what?

This is such a great car. Like, it does exactly what the people who buy them want. It exudes the image they want. It's fast. You sit above everything. It's loud. It's got all the tech. It handles well.

It's really luxurious now. it's really an everything car if you can stomach the image and for some people I tell that to and they're like, stomach the image. It's a great image and I'm like, okay. And some people are like, I cannot stomach the image. And that's just the situation. That includes your wife who would rather be driving around

in a camo sender of sequoia. That says a lot. It says a lot. Okay, Felipe, give us your talk cars story, which is a big one. Yeah, last weekend I was in Seattle to drive a car on a racetrack for the first time. Yep. I've never been on a track before last weekend.

and a gentleman named Wes who is doing one lap of America and then selling a car for charity on cars and bids. The car that I drove will be on cars and bids in about a month. Once they're done fixing it.

We'll get there. So he invited us up to film with it before he does One Lop of America, which includes eight races and racetracks around the U.S. and driving between them and then selling it for the American Braintiomers Association.

So he invited us up and I got to drive on a racetrack for the first time, which was very fun. Show the footage. She's out here. There was one slight issue. To show the footage. So here comes Filippo.

Filippo's driving right now. It worked out. Show that again. It worked out. Oh, here. We got it. Filippo is focused, though. Look at them.

And then I apologize. Yep. Sorry about that. It worked out. I've never seen the tire angle before. How close do we get to the wall? Not really. Not that close.

You know, Filippa. Oh, wow. We have a lot of things. Oh, wow. It just looks like it. We guys know the movie, the Italian job. They use Mini Cooper. It looks just like it.

Look at all these angles. I've never seen any of this before. This is amazing. I have to give you credit. One, the first time on the track, it was a damp track. And I have pushed it a little bit too hard. This track also is, I was totally quick. Clearly, there's not much runoff.

There's not a lot of runoff. To be honest with you, I have driven on track a lot. I would not have been going that fast. Obviously, everybody says that. But like, it wasn't that fast. It's wet. Yeah, it was damp. Do you know what wet does it tires?

It was, I was overly, aggressive in braking, as people will see when they watch the full video. And then I learned from it. And then I just break too hard. Too hard? Yeah. Don't you think maybe you were carrying a little too much speed? I was carrying a little bit through speed.

And then I overreacted in braking. Well, at this end go here. You think the braking got the car. Brahing and turning at the same time with low traction had a low impact. Yeah. When it's wet, you've got to be so careful. You know, wet tracks, the good drivers on wet tracks, it's like they go just as fast. Or not just, but close.

me on a wet track, half the speed. I'm terrified. The rest of the last, by the way, were incredibly fun. The ones where I didn't have a little spin. How many laps did you do? Seven, eight, I don't know, some of that. Man, but I have to give you credit also for, you did a good job, saving it, keeping it out of the wall. Thank you.

I can only imagine that was a, we'll put it gently a Code Brown moment for you in that situation. But you did a good job, like getting the car. he does do a pretty good job. Yeah, and not putting it in a... Pretty quickly, pretty quickly, he starts to correct, like, right away. Yep. Can't do much at that point. He's on the break and avoiding it would have been key.

Got the wheel going in the right direction by the end. Subsequent laps, that corner was a little scary, both because... Yeah, I bet. I had a slight issue. And also, I had sprayed dirt all over it as a result of that incident. Oh, yeah. What track is this? Pacific Raceways in, like, Kent-ish.

Man, that is a tight. That is not a lot of runoff. Dude, that level of runoff on that level of wet, I would have been going seven miles and a home. And the commenters would have been making fun of me. And I would have been like, yep, I will say it's an incredibly fun track. And all I want to do now is go race on tracks. Wow.

Wow. You? I recognize that it's expensive to go race on tracks, which impacts my own. I invited you. When we did two years ago, the race out in the desert, when we ran it out, Chuck Wall for the day. And we went there. I invited you when you were like, I got work to do. I'm not going to do that.

I did. Sad. And he worked. Now he's going to be the, he's going to set up the next event for us and where we're going to go. Yeah, it was legitimately so much fun. I'm excited for the video to come out. There's somehow even more angles than that to show this incident and the rest of the track day. I was probably too aggressive.

I said at the beginning that the hardest part for me was going to be being aggressive enough. Because I'm a, you guys both know this. I'm generally a very cautious person. And I pushed myself. And it resulted in that. And I will never push myself. That's how you have to do it to start to learn where the limits are. So, like, I think that's great.

I agree. In an ideal situation, you do it like in a large parking lot. On a car that's not being sold on the side. On a close track. A closed track and a car that wasn't his, that's a star. There you go. That is a start. Our 53 Mini Cooper has been shipped to start One Lap of America, which starts in two weeks.

I'm on that. And then we'll be on the site. Filippa, I'm very proud of you for going out and doing this. I think it's a great cause. as well. I can't wait to see the video when it comes out. Yeah, nicely done. Nice save. Well done. Showing my wife, that video was an experience of just watching her eyes as she watched it.

I don't think it's also hard. I don't think you, especially don't think she, but I don't think you realize how serious this is. No, no. I'm aware. Good drivers and people who go, like, they don't have these much of ever. Like, they really work up to a point where you'd go through a corner at the speed to even potentially get into this situation. It's scary.

Every racing driver has. had an off of some sort. Pro racing driver. Guys driving their M3s that they just kind of brought to the track are trying to avoid this kind of stuff. Yeah, I was also trying to avoid it. And here we are.

If it was on the first lap? No, no, no, no. Lap three or four. I had pushed a little bit too far. And then I was going to the corner a little bit too fast. And then I scrubbed a lot of speed really quickly.

Wet, wet is scary. Wet is scary. Terrible. It didn't feel as wet as it looks. Yeah, until the car started sliding the course. Okay, the other thing I want to talk about is Kenan and his Audi R-R-8 situation.

Kenan, tell us everything. So several weeks ago when I was Amelia Island, I drove my friend Stevens, R-A, first-gen, R-A, manual, yellow, which was cool. Coupe, loved it. We have another one in the office that's red, manual, coupe. First-in as well.

I went and filmed a photo guide, which we dropped things on the photo guide. I filmed a bunch of videos with it. It's the right car, you know, great color and stuff. And I was driving around in it, and for only the second time in the last decade, I was like, you know, if I just, what if I just got rid of the M5 and just drove this instead?

And the only other time it happened was the 9-8-1 Boxer Spider. I was like, you know, what if I just, because the thing is, I'm a single guy, and I suspect it, I know it won't last forever. And you constantly tell me that you regret that you didn't buy more sports cars when you were because you only own practical car. You own fast wagons when you were my age, because we're seven years different in age. And so, although it doesn't feel like it all the time. But I was driving around and I thought, what if I did that? Now, one of the things that kind of made me stopped was immediately, like, the car's pretty bouncy. And so, like, I was like, it would be a little rough to use every day.

But then I had to come back to the office because I forgot my sound receiver. So I parked at the top of our alley and I went down in our car elevator. And I left it open. I could hear someone went but behind one. Whoa, dude, that's like a real exotic, man. Wow. It's so cool. I'm like, you'd get a lot of that unwanted attention a lot of time.

I say most people love the car. Most people are really into the first gen. They know what it is. Yeah. They're so into it. But I was like, I don't know if I'd want that. attention all the time. There's a lot of great stuff about it. I will say the bright, ours is bright red with the black side blade. Looks awesome. I thought it looked awesome

when I saw it in 08. Doug claimed to have seen this specific vehicle in 2008. You have a picture of the van? Well, no, but it was sold by that, it was sold by that dealer that month, and George only does 30-day temporary. So unless they sold another red black one, then that dealership that month, oh, I saw that one. So regardless, I think you would have less of an issue if it wasn't red. Yeah, if it was silver with the blades or blue or something, something different. I just... The thing about that car is, I think that no car, none in the world,

combines the following three things. Usability, exotic, and affordability. I agree. No car combines those three things. None. Think of a better one. He's sitting there trying. No, no, I'm saying that you're close.

What's big? No, that comes close, is my point. I know, but what comes more? Consider it market GT. The exotic part of that. You can hit two of those three with a lot of cars, including a 9-11, but the exotic part is lost. And the Ford JT does better with the exotic part, but affordability, it's way more expensive. The R8 does those three things, because in terms of usability, the front is pretty practical, the interior is pretty big.

Yeah, it's got... It's pretty comfortable. Visibility is good. Visibility is available. Servicing is easy. Reliability is not a problem with that car. There are some things like every car, but it's true of like 997s from that era had something.

But AC works great on that one. But yeah, I know I agree. Like that was its design brief when they produced it news. It still does that today. And it's still like I really enjoy it. Now, I admittedly like, I want them both. I think that's probably the answer for me. Is that why you parked behind the R.A?

Just like picture. I do think, though, that if you had both, you drive the R8 a lot more. Well, that was the thing. I was driving around. It's like, I just realized like, this is. It's usable. It's a really, especially in your situation, where you're not carrying baby seats or large items often or whatever,

stroller. Like, that is a pretty usable car. It is. And it's also really affordable to buy. Yep. Sticks are 65. Yeah. Values are really, really interesting to me.

So I'm going to go to transmission, manual. And then click on lowest price. What are the cheapest sticks? So you can get, some of these cheap ones are probably kind of rough. But the meaty part of this segment is 60 to 75. That's a lot of car. That's a very special car for that kind of money.

That red one, that red one sold at 72, gated, red, gated, red. With blades. You're not going to find for 72 grand a more exotic, practical, usable car than this. An NSX comes close, but it's maybe just as exotic. It's not quite as usable. Yeah, exactly. And it's, again, it lacks kind of. of the theater and the drama of this car does?

Because that engine sounds phenomenal. Yeah, it doesn't have quite the theater. The usability is a little compromised because I'm not sure if people are still taking NSX as to Accura dealers, whereas this I would have no problem taking an Audi dealer. Or an Audi specialist, but it's the same V8. Yeah, in a lot of other cars. So I...

You know what's weird about this car? You know, I was thinking I was filming it? If I described to you a sports car that had a different colored, contrasting color panel going down the entire rear quarter from top to bottom, Okay. And it has no fenders. It has no front fenders.

It's just the hood. And there's a randomly placed second rear window, even though it has no rear seats. You'd say that sounds pretty ugly. Yeah. But it works. But when you look at it, somehow, it works perfectly. Right. That's exactly right.

Like the side blade on its face sounds like one of the stupidest things you've ever heard of in your life. It works. And without it? Without it? It doesn't work as well. Does it work on cars that have a body color sideblade? They are actively not as attractive. They are actively uglier.

They're hard to find. Depending on the color of the sideblade, it can work. Black, black can work, which is fundamentally it everybody is that? Black can work. It's really hard to find. They're hard to find. Almost all the silver cars got a dark side blade. Is that white, white?

And a lot of the people. But it's modded. Mons, but it gives you the idea, though. I agree. So you're going to do it? What do you sell you at 5, 430? I don't, I don't know. I'm going to think about it.

I just, getting rid of the M5 would be very hard for me because I really love that car. And it's so sorted now, which is the traditional Kennan problem. Like with the 355, I sorted it, and then I got rid of it. The M5 is sorted, and I should use it and enjoy it as.

Yeah, but sorted. You said you've put 100,000 miles on that car. Almost. We're getting close, yeah, almost 100,000. You did it. A 993 TurboS, and he said, no. You'd rather take n'clock. But a stick R8.

Perfect, yeah. I support you. No replacement for. this place. I don't know. It's just, again, I felt that way about the Boxter Spider. I actually had a very emotional experience to that. It was huge. It was Sam's car.

And I went and drove it and I drove my M5 back to back and I was like, I can't do this. I can't get rid of the car. And in retrospect, I'm glad. The drawback of the Boxter Spider is the practicality would be little. Ultimately, like, the top thing would become an issue. Two trunks though. Yeah. And the top is not that big a deal on that one.

On the... That day. After six months, I bet you're like, well, This is annoying. Yeah, but we live here. But it's your only car. It's rained every one of the last two weeks. It would be annoying. It's not currently raining now.

It rained this morning. It would be annoying. It would be annoying. But the R8, like, I don't know. I am genuinely actually thinking about that. I want to talk. I think that you should think about it, and I think that it's legitimately cool,

and you should think about that one specifically. And by the way, hate to admit it. Love the exhaust. Have you heard it? No. The cold start is. I'm going to do an impression of the car. Please, turn on.

It's actually pretty close He just forgot to do the gauge thing Where they go I It's like too loud It's like a When you drive it though The start would be way annoying

The start's the cold start is It doesn't sound like an art It sounds like a muscle car It doesn't sound like an hour But when you drive it It sounds good It yeah when you're When you're getting up there in the rest

To be honest with you Because I did drive it around A little bit with the windows down It actually kind of hurts my ear It's actually that. It sounds. But I like it. That's why.

I think the owner only drove it with the windows up, hence why it had to be so loud. Okay. We got to talk about Nick. We got to talk about Nick. Since we're talking about our rates, we've got to talk about Nick.

Pull up, can you pull up YouTube and next video? Nick has bought a Bentley Arnage. We talked about it on the site already, but the very, on this pot already, but the very first Nick Arnage video has officially gone up. Nick, theory is standing in his driveway at midnight when the car got delivered by some,

some Uzbek shipper that he found. Anyway, here is the Bentley Arnaj. Oh, wow, we're going to HD. We want to see Nick in HD. We do. It's a great video. I forgot how bad it looked. It's a great video.

The car has been a complete disaster. Nick doesn't think it's a disaster, even though it doesn't currently have any interior panels. That's how it looks now. So, anyway, Nick's just launched this our new Cars and Bids project car because he sold his Maserati on the site. He sold his P38 Rangeover. Now he's on this.

This is undoubtedly the most ambitious Nick project car and Cars and Bids Project Car, yet I want to know, tell for everybody else, currently he has removed all the wood. So Nick took it all that. It's an amazing story, and he'll tell it in a video, but one of the things that has happened is that Nick decided he wanted to refinish the wood trim. To be honest, it looked fine to me. He decided he wanted to refinish the wood trim,

but because it's Nick, he couldn't do it retail. He took it to a guy in Mexico, which here in San Diego is actually not all that uncommon for people to do for save money on body work, whatever. He took it to a guy in Mexico who told him that he would give him a discount if Nick removed the wood himself. Nick did remove the wood himself. He damaged several parts while doing it. One part he couldn't get off.

So that part is just not going to be refinished. It won't match. And the guy texted him like a couple weeks after he gave him the wood and he said, hey, by the way, I have cancer. And so I'm not really going to be able to get to this anytime soon. And so Nick's just... We hope he's fine. Nick's just drive it around with the interior wood. All about to say, you should watch the video.

That is the level that we're talking about with this. It's going to be a great series. Yep. And I fear for that. You know, when I saw that car in person, one of my first reactions was, well, was not that the wood needed to be done. There was a lot that that car needed. That's right.

On a list of 50 things, and you could make a list of 50 things. The wood would have been 47th. I would have solved the leaking fluids, and he did eventually. Well. Well, you know, but it's... It wasn't leaking the last time I saw it. Have we, have we, you know, in our friend group, we often encourage to take people that, like, you've just done with me with the art, to take bolder and bolder decisions. Yeah.

Have we strayed a little too far? No, no. I thought about this a lot, and I really think what happened is he did well on his P-38. I think he made money. He did okay on his Maserati. And so each, the market has reported. Exactly. Each successive bad decision he's made has emboldened him.

Like, oh, it worked out for this car, worked out for that car. And now I'm going to try it. But what's he going to get next? I don't know. Because it allows us to have a friend that has a Bentley or aage. I think it really. Yeah. It really has been effective for me.

I'm kind of not interested in buying any more cars right now. But at the same time, still want to have new experiences. And Nick has allowed me to do that. I've driven this car a bunch of times. It was a great experience. Love to drive it. Thrill, I don't own it. Yep.

It's like a boat. You're just thrilled to get off of it. Yep. Hand the keys back to Nick here with his great boupont. So he's enjoying it. It's currently at the shop. Of course it is. We should know, you should subscribe to the Cars and Bids YouTube channel

where you can get every single one of these videos. And when it comes out, my first track driving experience, you can subscribe to the Cars and Bids channel by going to YouTube.com slash at Cars and Bids. Okay. We got to talk, I've got to do a quick market report, and then we are off to the questions. There's only two things I want to cover.

One of them is new WRXs. Can you pull up WRX and start the year at 2022? Here's our, whoops. There we go. Okay. Start the year at 22. Let's go up to years. The current generation W.R.X.

I have a lot of thoughts here, by the way. And type in lowest, or do lowest price. I mean, folks, new WRXs, which is a car I love. Absolutely love. Oh, God. Oh, God. Type a note to yourself. These are in the low 20s.

We just sold one a couple days ago for 20,000,750. Wow. You see the similarities between all the lowest price ones, right? I hate the fact that they're modded. I like the mods. I actually do like the mods, too, on most of these. But all the heavily modified ones are going for the least amount of money. Well, the reason for that is they're all still under warranty.

So if you've modified the car, you've voided your warranty. And at this point, in the car's depreciation curve, the warranty and the newness is still desirable. In a few years. Yeah. New WRX, 10 grand office sticker. Yeah. New GTI, 10 grand office sticker. Yeah.

New Gulf Earth, 10 grand off a sticker. The current generation of these cars, have not found a market. The WRX got... Yeah, but this is the most appealing. This is the most appealing. Does agree. The VX got questionable looking.

It looks so good. I actually also like it, but the market has agreed that it doesn't look great. That's right. It doesn't look as good as the prior one. So the GTI and Golf R have interior infotainment concerns. Supposedly. And reviewer, well, he's experienced.

He has heard of it. And reviewers have panned it widely for that. They just don't have the demand. Dude, but it's true of all of them. This car is a year old. I know. Why do you think about a GTI for 20? Have you driven one of these yet?

No, I really want to. It is a wonderful car to drive. And so is my GTI. I mean this as a class. So is my GTI. Just the market hasn't been interested. This is a great power train. This is a great car.

This is a lot of fun to drive. And you can get it for 2021. Yes, please. I want one. The last gen. WRX is everywhere. The last gen. the Mark 7 GTI is everywhere.

Nobody seems to care about the current ones, and I think it's a mistake because they're all great cars. People have moved on. I agree. The W.X got a lot of hate when it came out. Yeah. So did the GTI. Aides of all kinds.

There are bargains now. It's such a good drive. It steers well. It handles well. The engine is fantastic. And you can monitor. Look at this. Kenan.

Buy one of these. Throw on these wheels. Well, no, I'm not doing this. But I would. I have to say, I've never driven one of these I very much would like to. They don't bother me. The way they look,

it doesn't bother me at all. Especially in the darker colors kind of covers up the fender things. I would everybody. I've come around. I've come around on it too, but that is a seriously compelling car. I mean, it's a pretty new performance car

with a manual transmission for 20. I'm telling you, too. I'm telling you it drives well. I swear, I think that you would actually enjoy the way it drives. I'm sure I would. The power train, even though it's a four cylinder. It's just like geared wonderfully, and the power delivery is smooth,

so there's good low delivery, too. It's just a really, really good car. And I still like how they look. I always, I initially hated it. Then I started seeing them around. And this weekend I saw it on the road. And I was like, you know what? I've come to a point where I actually now actively like it.

I'm with you. Which I hate to admit. Okay. I want to talk about the M5 wagon, Felipe. Yeah. Literally today, as we're filming this, sold an E39, 528 eye wagon that was converted to an M5, basically. Has a V8 and a 6p manual to store to M5.

Yeah. Crucially, it looks incredible. It looks like what it would have looked like had BMW built an M5-20. A lot of guys do the, a lot of guys do the M5 swap, engine swap, and then do bad mods and don't go the whole way. This car basically goes the whole way. Last night, it was sitting at 27, and I texted Kenan and I was like, hey, tell me about this car and tell me about like the engine work they've done. Is this the right stuff? Like, should I be interested in this car?

Everything. Thinking I could steal it for like 33. No, these cars bring serious money. And this person did it properly. They did the timing chain guys. They did the Vana stuff. They did, like, I mean, like, all of the big stuff, yeah, that you would do. And it was a 2000 engine.

They updated the stuff that you should, like you should. So it sold for 66, which I don't know. No, that's where they, like, really well-built ones. That's where they got. Yeah, maybe. I mean, it's harder to find a market on these. They only come up for sale, like, once a year between us and bring a trailer. And here and there, they're very hard to find good ones.

Because we sold one that was a, someone had done it, but, like, had done some mods and all that stuff. Not how I would have done it. But this one was really, really nicely done. And I really was hoping I could steal it. And boy, was that not happening. Nope. I mean, people recognize it. And also, clearly the market still wants.

It's a cool car, wagon is cool. Combined the two, and you get the coolest possible thing. Yeah. And you know what's interesting? We RNM'd that red RS6 Avant the other day for 80. Yeah. I mean, we regularly sell pretty modern E-63 wagons at this number or less. Are it 2.13 selling for this number?

Really, really early pre-face-liff, 2-13s with miles and an accident are in the X number. Boom! Or you can get a much older, like, you know, swap. Like, this isn't an M-5 wagon. It's a guy made an M-5 wagon. And yet it still brings all the one. Yeah. That's cool.

I'm so here for it. Like, admittedly, it's a lot of money. It's a lot of money. But, I mean, it's just damn cool. It's one of those fine-in-other-one things, though. Like, you could make it yourself. You could probably make yourself cheaper. but it will take you a year.

So hard that you have to cut out the floor of the car because that's where the spare wheel is, but in order to fit the exhaust on the M5, you have to cut that out and put in an M5 floor. Very common. And there's other stuff too. Go back to the side shot. Like, they flare out the fenders.

They did. But that never existed. The fendors, I believe, are rolled, but I don't think they are flared more. I'm looking at mine. Like, that's the same. Yeah, but that's, but this is a wagon. The sedan, you think the

and looks the same as the regular 528 I said a hand with the fenders? That looks chunkier. Ryan Schultz would correct me, but I think the body panels are the same. They just come rolled from the factory on the M5, whereas they're not rolled on the standard 528. You're still painting, though. I mean,

unless this car was anthracite when I left the factory, like, I would imagine it was painted, but I'm not sure. Fjord, Gray? It's such a nice thing. It's so cool. They did the interior, too, Kenon. Maybe not up to the standards that you know. The interior's good. They put a full leather dash in it. and stuff.

Interesting. You can tell they used to 2000, like put parts of it from a 2000 because they have the black gauge which only came on the 2000 model year for the M5. It is so cool. It's incredibly well done.

And 66, it's big money, but this is, remember when we sold that F80 M3 wagon too? Totally. This is when you do a really good build and you do it well and you don't do the build

and then put it on lowering springs and bad wheels and tinted tail lights. When you do a build well, the market pays up. It really does. I'm into it too. Great result. Okay.

Next up, we move on to questions. These are some of the finest questions we have ever been asked this week. In order to ask us questions, you can ask them. You go to the community tab, cars and bids.com, click on the community tab. There will be a post there that says questions. And then you can ask your questions. And we will answer the best ones, the most controversial and then the best. Not the highest up voted we've learned.

Different. But the best. And if you do it from the cars and bids app, extra points. Oh, the cars and bids app is bringing you this segment. The Cars and Bids app, like Cars and Bids, but an app. Better. Well said. Thank you.

And it rains money when you shake it. What does it rain? Confetti. It rains. Cards and Bids. Rains money. All right. Just like it does here in the office when we're driving our J-Wagon.

Can you imagine driving that thing around? Never in a million years yet he is here, won't. You know what's funny? When you open the hood, there's a little warning label that says, like, don't open the hood wearing a necktie, like a tie because you might get caught in the fan. Nobody driving one of those has ever worn. a tie. They're all wearing Belenziaga shirts that say in Lard, you know what I mean? That's true.

So true. There was a time when someone driving an expensive Mercedes wore a tie. That time is gone. Valenciaga's a really good. All right, all right. Questions. We got our first question.

Top five cars. It actually should say no chains. Watch your chain. Your chain might get caught in the fan. Oh, God. That's top car subject. First question

from ex-pilot. What are the top five cars that will be not subject to a tariff? Sequoia. None. They will all be. You know one car that's

incredibly popular that is built in America primarily with the American parts? The Toyota Corolla. Hmm. How lovely. This is the vast majority

of Tesla's will be the car. Yeah, but he's asking for top five best. The Corolla is the Is it a vehicle? The Coralogy, by the way, I don't think built in the U.S. I will say, I don't know what the answer to this is because I'm still having trouble quite discerning

exactly what's going to be subject to tariffs and what's not. And I am certain that cars that are subject to tariffs will drive up the entire market price. If you're Hyundai building a car in Korea and you have to jack up your price 20%, there's no way Ford building a car in America doesn't jack up their price at least 12% because why not just take the extra market?

Also, if you are even Toyota and some of your cars are built outside of the U.S., you're going to increase the price across because you can't have the roll up being the price on forerunner. Yeah, totally. So it's a good question. It's just hard to say right now. And my suspicion is that most

cars will be, if not subject to a tariff, then their price will be increased because of the tax increase. I do wonder whether manufacturer, so Volkswagen and I said they're going to put on the window sticker their MSRP and then an import fee. If everybody goes that direction, that might change that math a bit

if they want to really say, this is not us, this is your government. You're doing this? Trunk tariff. They should say truck tariff. Which has some updates. From Tengel 92. I recently saw a Cadill-R on the road.

I knew it was rare, but didn't realize how rare it was. Here's the question. Has there ever been a bigger flop where vehicles share a platform and one is a commercial success, but one is an absolute disaster? It's a great question. First, I want to say, there were actually three cars that shared that platform. You're going to name the third? Aptera. Aptera.

Ampera. Ampera. It's so close. It's a bad name. By the way, built in America and sold in Europe. It's the Volt. It looks like the Volt. It does not look like the Volt.

Pull up the Opel Ampera. I'm sorry, what? It does not look like the Volt. The Opal Ampera is a radically different product. Oh, yeah. You're right. Completely different. Wow.

Completely different car. Totally different. It looks like a dog that had like tears from that. You're right. The side profile, the rear, everything but the headlight treatment. What do you mean? To the steering wheels on the opposite side of the damn car. Very different from the wall.

Only the UK. for the other way. The Opel Empire also sold in mainland Europe. You know, in Malta, in Japan, South Africa? They probably sold nine of them in South Africa. Did you know about the Impara E, which is the Bolt? No, I did not know that it's the Empara E. Anyway, the question is, cars that shared a platform, one is success, the other disaster. The one that came to mind for me was the Buick rendezvous and the Paniac Aztec. The Aztec was a flop, but the rendezvous sold so well insanely that I actually suspect that whole experience was profitable.

Can you think of another? There are a lot where there is a lot of, in a lot of badge engineering, one did more poorly. A lot of Poniac G3 can't imagine they sold that many as they did Chevy Vails. Yeah, it's actually, the question is predicated on the fact that it doesn't usually happen, but I would argue that it actually does usually happen where one car is the one. Right. And then they make stupid other versions. You know.

Right, to give other brands a chance. The one that's happening right now is the Honda Civic and the Accura. The Civic is a Civic and sells incredible numbers. The Integra, they were like, hey, let's just do this because we're already making the car. But it's kind of purposeful at that point. You're okay with them selling it. It's kind of purpose. Now, the ELR was actually like a fully different design.

It wasn't just badge engineering. I cannot imagine the amount of effort that went into that failure. I'm trying to think of what else. Oh, the Prius and Lexus HS 250H. Yeah, that's a good one. And the CT200H, which was also. The 8008 sold well compared to the HS 2508. The HF was a total fair.

Kevin's never seen an HVUHG. And the HAC is exactly right. He is not. And the HS was the one that was actually based on the press. The CT was deaf, was more Lexus. HS 250H. Oh, 235. I mean, I'm not.

He only thinks in 235s like the BMW. I can't help, but it just like Fault Matriated. Wow, that is a scary looking. I loved how it looked. I thought it was great. This one, like if this had had a turbo four cylinder, it's got the body kit, it's got the wheel. I finally see where Toyota got all their inspiration for the next generation Corolla. at the time.

Yeah. Wow. Interesting. Maybe it's not a failure, but the Astor Martin Signet and the Toyota. Not a failure. Both were kind of failures. Both are kind of failures. But, you know, it does happen occasionally.

But that was probably an extreme example, where one was a radical failure, and the other one was a mediocrity. Was an Opelampera? Nice. Okay, next question. From Aminae. The idea of a halo car is well known.

A car is so good, interesting, unique, that it brings attention to a brand and ushers an improved era like the R8. Has there ever been a car that did the opposite? It was so bad that it indicated the downfall of a car brand. I was thinking about this question. Don't you think the Ghibli, the 15 Maserati Ghibli, really ushered in like the beginning of a bad era for Maserati.

It's the downside of going a little bit down market. You go down market, you go volume, and you create that. And I don't think Maserati's image has ever really recovered. Like, Audi's image went to here. Well, Maserati's image went to here, and they haven't really been able to bring that back. A great example. There are other good ones, though, I bet.

Did you think, IMEA, would you say from Mitsubishi? Mitsubishi was already kind of headed in that direction. I think that there are some recent Volkswagen's that have diminished what image the brand used to have. The Passat and the Jetta, when they decontented them for like the 10 model years and the Atlas, like, the days of like VW being a cheap but high-end alternative to German kind of went away. They got other stuff for it. They got volume and the cars are still pretty good, but like no one views them as like a budget outy. anymore. The Mirage, to Kenan's point about the I may have, I think the Mirage kind of did.

That was their valve volume seller. The Montero sport and the Montero were volume sellers in the late 90s early 2000s. It slipped to these small cars, and now that's all anybody thinks of that's a BGC4. The Islander exists and is a competent vehicle. Yeah. I don't know. It's an interesting question. And there are probably some other ones, but it's an interesting question.

I can think of more examples where the main, whatever the most mainstream model was had a poor redesign. Toyota, sorry, Honda with the Civic in 2011. 2011? The year that came out that they had to get an emergency facelves for 2013. That hurt them, clearly. Otherwise, they wouldn't have done an emergency face left the next year. But it didn't. They had enough brand cachet that didn't kill them.

Yeah. Yeah. And they corrected it quickly. And I don't think, I mean, those are minor examples, but I think that Ghibli is the best. And certainly nobody has heard a reputation quite like the R8 helped one. Yeah. Next question from Hugh K. Doug, would you break your no new cars rule for the Gilmore Girls Jeep?

the Gilmore Girls Jeep 1J4 F-A-F-F-49 S-0-Y-P-S-6-2-2-2-7 Would I break my rule for it? Private until today. Would I break my rule for it? That's not, that was only in the first episode. In every subsequent episode, there was a different,

it was a, that's a YJ, it was a T-J, this car, yes, in every subsequent episode. What I break my rule for it, it's not that I would break my rule, Hugh. It's that it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's known on its face that my rule doesn't apply to the Gilmore Girls Jeep. You know that, right? When I say I'm off cars, I'm never buying another car, I'm not buying cars.

You know that if the Girlmore Girls Jeep were to become available, I would buy it. Okay, so you want to try to tell the Gilmore Girls' Jeep story? I think it's time. All right, here's the deal. So the Gilmore Girls, my favorite television show of all time, the greatest television show of all time, the main character, Lorelei, throughout the show drove T.J. Rangler. And it was an unusual one. It was this Desert Sahara color that was only offered in two model years.

And they had two of them. And at the end of the show, which was like in 2003, I wasn't even sentient. What were you? They auctioned him off. Like, I couldn't have bought it now. They auctioned them off for charity. And at the time, the cars had spent their entire life on the production lot. They had 3,000 miles, both of the Jeeps.

And so they were auctioned off for charity. Years go by, I'm always curious what happened to the cars. And I wrote an article about it for Autotrider, I think, years ago. what happened to this Jeep. Well, somebody commented and said, I bought the Jeep. It's me. I didn't realize this from the comments. Wow. I thought you did some deep digging. The comment was like two years after I wrote the article. I just happened to click on it again, and there was the comment. So I'm like, oh my God. And the person commented with her name, her real name. So I spent weeks Googling, Googling, Googling, and I mailed letters to many

addresses that were associated. I couldn't find her email address. I mailed letters to many addresses that were associated with her. They all were returned. Only Molly. And so I just said, you know what? It's over. I'm not going to get the Gilmore. girl's Jeep. However, one of the interesting things I learned from this was, you know, the Jeep was, the show takes place in a small town in Connecticut. The Jeep was sold at charity auction to this woman who lives in a small town, Connecticut. How cute. So I was desperate, desperate. Every few years, I would think about it again. I wrote the article by 10 years ago, and every two, three years I'd think about it again. And eventually, five years ago, I Google, and I'm able to find

the woman's daughter, and I find an email address for. And I send an email. And I say, look, I know you have the Jeep. I want it. I'm. I'm. I know you have it. And I want it. I'm interested in it. And I'm totally down and I'll buy it any time. And she replied kind of ruling. She was like, this is a family heirloom and we're not selling.

And it was like, okay, listen, I'm not trying to steal it from you. Like, you take all the time you need with it. But when the day comes, the crossover between car enthusiasts and Gilmore's Jeep enthusiast, it's me. You're going to want to sell it to me. Yep, 100%. The sad part is, if you go on Carfax, they've been dalying it for like 15 years. That's great.

They're driving from Connecticut. from Stars Hollow to Chilton every day for school, and that's important. This thing's got probably 100,000 miles on it now. Connecticut winters and then every once in a while, they drive to T.J.'s Renaissance It's got rust all over it. Now, the second Gilmore Jeep is actually still here in SoCal, but the first one, the main show car, which is the one they have in Connecticut, has my lucky number in the VIN, and it's just a, I want it really bad.

And so I still want it. And maybe I'll send another email. You know, the economy's slowing. times are getting tough. Maybe an influx of cash for selling your Gilmore Jeep would be nice. They really need that salt exception in Connecticut. It's time.

Before that increases. So that's the story of the Gilmore Jeep. Yes, of course I would break my no new cars rule for the Gilmore Jeep. Don't be silly. Q. There's a few other cars. Like if a Tal Design wanted to send me the Columbus,

if a Bentley Dominator came for sale, there's a few cars I'd break the rule. I mean, sure. That's the only thing. But generally, I'm not buying any new cars, even though I want a 993 turbo so bad. I watched Headwards 993 Turbo video the other day Oh, it's a good one

You see him? It's yellow. He's like in Connecticut or Massachusetts. He's like accelerating up up on ramp and it's like I love Thomas Vezer's the binaural audio thing that he knows. He's just sitting there and you can feel the car accelerator. Anyway, then I drove the courage routine and I was like, I don't need a 9 and 3-2er tour. Okay, I'm serious. That's exactly the thought I had and I haven't thought of it since, but I do kind of want it, but not more than the Gilmore Girls Jeep. And by the way, I guarantee I would pay more than anybody.

Oh, yeah. All seven grand that's like, exactly. It's probably only worth like to a normal person like 12. I know, I was $1,200, yeah. I'd probably pay a bigger number than 12. Okay, next question from Blumper. Here we go. You ready? Oh, hold.

Oh, no. All right. Hey, Doug and Kenan, can you rank every M3 from worst to best? We've been ranking all these cars every week. I want to preface this, because when we cut this into a short, we're not going to include my preface,

but I want to preface it anyway. People get so mad. They're like, you said D-34 and 5 is the worst. You're terrible. And it's like, I'm not saying it's the worst car. We're talking about great cars here. As stated, we're talking about it. Yeah, they're all excellent cars.

Picking among them is like, it's like da-da-da-da-da. It's that close. Like the E-34M-5 is still, in my opinion, one of the great German cars of all time. It's just that when we're ranking all the M-5s, one has to be last. And it's funny because you get two things when you see the comments of these, people hating us,

and then people making their own rankings, and then they get comments of people hating them. Like, there's no ranking that satisfies everyone. So thank you for coming up with another one that you spread more hate in vitriol. Okay, so M3, M3 is tough. We're going to disagree sharply. It's not tough for the first one. Oh, my God, what are you going to say?

You're going to say that it's the G80. He's going to say E30, obviously. No, he's going to say G80. Since I wrote this question into the dock, I've been debating this very thing, and now I have to choose. Choose. Damn it. You can start at worst as you want. You can start at worst.

Well, for me, the best one, I'll just say it as it. I think the E46M3 is the best. There's no four door. So? There's a convertible. Well, guess what the M3 started as? A two door. It should be a two door.

Dang. But I understand that the BMW disagrees with themselves on that one. But the M3 isn't a two door anymore. It's not even a two door. It's not available. Things change. A three series is not available in a two door.

You're talking about heritage. Like what it started as, well, things change. It should be a four-cylinder too, technically. Yeah. What about that? Or my box fenders. BMW makes six-cy engine.

That's their core competency engine. Like that's what they made. That's what they made forever. They're known for that. The S-54 is, in my opinion, the finest six-owner engine that they made. You could argue the B-58 is up there, too. And some people-Filippa would make that argument. Right.

I'm not a part of the-A-G-G-I-G-B-58 guy. Is the B-58 the 3-liter? B-58, it's the current one in everything. Oh, yeah. Okay. Yeah. But I think the S-54, it's everything in M-car should have high-reving, naturally aspirated six-owner engine.

Like, that is BMW. And that is the M3. You made a good argument. So I think that. And, looks amazing, drives amazingly well. This comes from BMW's golden era, the early 2000s, like,

it has its problems, but it's the one. You've made a good argument. Okay. Was this, what was the two on the top of your list? Was it that? The VD and E30. Exactly what you guys both said, I would say, and I don't know. But you've made a good argument for the E46.

I faulted for not having a sedan, because I know that the M3 didn't start as a sedan, but to me, what it is and was best at was being a practical little toss-about car. And the E-36 M-3 sedan was great, at it, and later M3s have pretty much were very popular sedans and then became only sedans. A great little tossable car. So one would say that the last doors would make it a little bit.

But the added practicality without really losing much in terms of size is what that car, to me, was the best at. Like a coup, if I want a coupe, I want a came in. I want a car that was purpose built as a sports car. Whereas the M3 was, the E46M3 was taken as a, your mom drives it kind of coop and turned into a sports car. I want a purpose-built sports car like a box. But that's what BMW does.

That's what BMW does. They don't build sports cars really. The Z4 exists in the Z3 before that, but like... This is going to be a long one. I can tell it. It's going to be a long one. I'm going to give my list then. Okay.

I'm one, not a sports car, brother. Technically, it was a supercar at the time. Okay, all right. So, E46M3. Plus, remember Lambo built it. All right. Is that the top for me? Then I would say, then personally, I think E9XM3, the V8.

Wow. That is a surprise for all of us. BMW, what they do is they build six. So I tried to guess for you. I wrote down before you started talking, and I had E9X as the second class one. For you, that what I thought you were going to. No, the E9X still like, although it is not as traditional in terms of its engine, it's the only weird one. Instead of an inline sex, which you know he's famous for, the second best M3, actually doesn't have one at all.

Can I tell you one interesting thing about doing the M3s, there are six M3s. One interesting thing about doing the M3s is the M5s, the Corvettes, there are some that I, that are not as good, clearly. It's hard with the M3s. Yeah. It's really hard. I don't see one in here that F80's probably got to be last. I think F80 is probably, yeah, I think, well. E36.

I don't know. Hard. I really, I love the E. Okay, I'm going to throw another curveball. S-52 swapped E-30. That's first. We need Kenan to. All right.

Kenan, all right, you've gone through the first two, which is E-49-N-E. What's next? Then I would say, I would say probably then E-30. Oh, wow, okay. Because it's a lot of money to go slow, but it is really well balanced and it is very attractive. And not as much as it used to be. And once again, not a six-elner, but okay.

No. Yeah, BMW does six-cylil. It's number two and number three cars don't have more. All right, continue. So you got E-30 next. So now you've got to pick between E-36 F-80 and G-80. Right. I think I would put, I think because the E-36 comes in a euro, I think I'd put E-36 next.

Do I have to put the U.S. a bad car? No. No, we're just talking U.S. You're just talking U.S. Yikes. You got to go G8. Where do we live? You have to go G80 next.

Have you driven a G80? I still haven't. Put you in a G80. You put it above the E30. Put above the E9X. I bet I wouldn't. I think, yeah, okay, I would. E30, give me, give me.

I'm going to say G. I'm going to say E36 still. Then G80, then F80 and then. That's it. That's it. All right. My list is completely different. Give it to me.

I'm going to say G80 first. It is sacrilegial. I'm going to get destroyed in the comments for this. But I got to be honest with you, the fact that they're still doing a stick, the fact that they're still doing a stick sedan that is that fast and that fun, I guarantee you 98% of the people in the comments

are driving modded E9Xs with mismatched wheels and a wrong color hood. And they've never been in a G80. The G80 is a seriously excellent car still. What BMW does great is build six cylinders, little cars that are tossable and manual, and they still do it, and it is still great. And I get that it's ugly, but it is not all that big yet. If we'd like the E39M5 size, we got to like the J88 M3 size. And it is a fun, seriously fun car to drive.

I get that it's ugly, but not every car is attractive. I don't disagree with that. It's a hard sell over the rest of the lineage, but it's a great car. It's a great car. Wireless car. But this is going to be considered an icon. The E46, an E30, those are icons for a reason. In 25 years,

everyone's going to say. Look, I don't disagree. Everyone is going to say. I love that car. I love that car. We live right now. Yeah, but I can see where this is going. You know, we've said that.

The next one will be a plugin. The next one will be an automatic. Then they're going to go electric. They're going to get even uglier. And in 25 years, people are going to look back at the G80, the last manual, the last six cylinder. and say, just like they do with the Career GT and the Ford GT and the RS4 and all those cars,

the R8, all those cars in that era, that was the end. We didn't know it at the time. We hated some of those cars at the time. Now we love them. That's going to be the G80 story. You're acting like the other cars still exist. It's not like they completely disappear. Yeah, but I would rather have a G80. It's more powerful. It's more fun. Honestly, it's still incredibly

fun to throw around. It's faster than all these other cars are on a racetrack, so it handles great too. And it's a modern car. There's a thing about you, I was another thing about you is you say the stuff about the car, then you drive one the elements are like, you know what this actually. I love the other cars. We need to do a challenge where you drive all of them back to back to back and then to

I've driven all these cars pretty extensively over time. I know. You forget. Like seriously pretty extensively. I mean, I got to go G80. What's after G80? E30. Yeah.

Then E46. Then it's U.S. only? Yeah. Okay. E 92, E36. And F80. Poor F80. What does F80 ever do to you?

F80 is great. F80 is an awesome. It just represented the beginning of a largeny car. The G80 is just a better version of that. And the G80 is a better F80. Like, ultimately. I think that the F80 is actually one of the best looking M3s. Yeah, it looks great.

I have with it is it is pretty sanitized and there's no way to make that car sound good. They all, you put an exhaust on it and it sounds awful. Okay. Those are a list. It's a little crazy. I know everybody's going to hate G80, but I promise you, come back to this pod in 20 years. We'll both have them. Long gone.

And, no, but I promise you. see where this is going. The cars that people hate are the ones that become desirable later. And the fact that this is the end of the line, we will look back on this and say the cars are all old now, but at least the G80 is the newest, the fastest that ever got what BMW did so well. I don't disagree, but we see which direction it's going and it makes me appreciate the older stuff more. Maybe, but the problem with the older stuff is, it's unreliable, it's slow. And in the case of the E 46-0, no, the only reason the new stuff is not relevant because it's not old yet. Give it time, it'll have problem. Okay, BMW way.

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