THIS CAR POD! with Doug DeMuro & Friends! - BMW M3 Goes Electric?! The Corvette ZR1X! Why is Doug Disappointed?

Episode Date: January 16, 2026

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And welcome to this car pod. I'm Filippo. I'm Nick. Nick's here today, filling in for Kenan, and we got a lot to talk about. Start with the news. Ah, yes. The big news story of the week,

the new Corvette, ZR1X. Did you read these numbers, Nick? It gets to be such small numbers. It's just like, it doesn't even make sense anymore. Zero 1X, they've already established what it is that it's crazy and it's insane. and it's an even higher performance version of the regular ZR1. However, today, this week, they announced zero to 60 and quarter mile times on a prep surface,

which you can see here, zero to 60 in 1.68 seconds. I know. It is on a prep service, but it's on pump gas. Pump gas. And a prep surface is like, it's a drag strip in Michigan. Like, is it how prep, I mean, maybe not in Michigan at this time of year, but how prep could it, like, it's not like, obviously it helps the tires hook up and all that stuff, but it's not like they took the car to the moon or some other thing that would, like,

is impossible to replicate. Like, you could do this. You could do this. So is this thing caged, or are they getting decued and kicked out, like, after one pass? Quarter mile at quarter mile time, to answer your question, is at 8.675 at 160 miles an hour. You would get kicked out.

But what we do in the community is we do that. After the eighth, we slam on the brakes right before the end, and then we run a 13. That's like how it's done. Yeah. You run your draggy just to get your, your time to the game. A whole large bit in the Fast and the Fears movies

with that you owe me a 10-second car. Turns out all you need is $208 grand and you can have one tomorrow. Well, you could have a plaid for 45 if you only want a 10-second car. This is an 8-second car. Right, good point. You can beat it.

This is an 8-second car. It's wild. We're not that far off of Top Fuel Dragsters. You ever see a Top Fuel Dragster? Yeah. Here's how it goes. Here's how it goes. And then they rebuild the motor each pass.

What the viewers don't know was that the three of us went drag racing recently. Right. Our times were a little longer. Yeah, well, we did a, it was a, it was, I was, and they were still actually. I think it was actually similar. Yeah.

You're right. I had a 1.78 response time. You do wonder, okay, your problem with four GTs of like the dealers not wanting to work on it, like, imagine your average Chevy dealer trying to fix a one second zero to 60 car with an eight second quarter mile. It's a pump gas car. It's like, it runs like a normal car. I think it is just a corvette.

Isn't it just... I guess. It's just the Corvette. I love it. Well, but what it is also is, it's just the twin turbo V8 from the regular zero one. Plus it's got the hybrid from the E-ray, right? Right. And then it's combined for 1250 horsepower.

It's not that out of the realm insane for a dealer... This is a car that Corvette, excuse me, the Chevrolet makes. Yeah. When Dodge came out with the Hellcat, Demon, whatever, which also had a sub-10 quarter mile time, if it's been reserves, that kind of made sense. But there's like a competent car that isn't just going fast. Yeah, I just drove this regular ZR1. I had it for a couple days when I was in Detroit,

and by a couple days, I mean, less than 24 hours. And it was great. You could drive it around. I drove it around. We're in October. It's cold. There's geese everywhere. You can go around corners?

Yeah. Yeah, no. And you can go and pick one of these up. Might you? No. I am weirdly into E-R-Raez. I think an E-Rae is like a ventral vibe. You guys are rare.

I know, but they're, deal. They're deals. It's zero six performance. With a hybrid and I love hybrids. And it's four-wheel drive. That's get good guess. Yeah. Then I can do burnouts. You don't need you, you don't need to do burnouts. You know what the ERA is? Yes. Oh wow. I have to say to you remember the SSC to Itara that kind of had a big scandal about claiming a top speed that wasn't true. It's zero to 60 and what they could verify is slower. Its quarter mile is slower. And that car, they pushed it to the brink of breaking to the point where they, part of the reason they couldn't validate their times

is because it broke down before they could do like the down and back. And looking it up, that car had 1750 horsepower on E85, 1,350 on 91, which means it had more power than this. It's still zero to 60 was two and a half seconds, so it was much slower. Now, who knows what this does on normal street? But my guess is two. Yeah, one point nine, two. And that, by the way, is faster than a shoe roan, faster than a Ruelto.

I could probably keep Googling other supercars and it's faster than that, too. The only thing it's not faster than is the craziest of the electric stuff. However, that's still pretty insane when you think about it. Because it's right there with the craziest of the electric stuff. The Sapphire, which is Lucid's most powerful car, is 1.89. Yeah, yeah. And that's probably what this will do on a regular road. Pretty incredible, going to be the all-time greatest Corvette, truly.

Until the next one. Until the X-X. Maybe, but like, you can't really get faster than this. That's what we've been saying for, I mean, they got to follow it up somehow. I've always, I never, I never was saying that until about now. Like, I think zero to 60 cars went in 10 years ago, we're doing like three and a half that was fast, but you always knew there was more. Right.

That could happen. And then the EVs came and it got there. And now this is here. But cars aren't going to be doing zero to 60 in 0.7 seconds. It's just not going to be occurring. I want to tell, like, make you all experience 1.67 seconds. That's what it is, right? Yeah.

All right. You're going to be quiet for 1.6. From now. Oh, wow. Felipe's doing a little... Nothing like two seconds of quiet. Well, it could have been two beautiful seconds of quiet, but the time for you to say that,

the car would have been going 60 miles an hour. And at 8.8 seconds... It would have been going 150. 160. Crazy. Yeah, it's quick, dude. People are going to crash these. Yeah.

You know who's going to crash them? You know what I was just thinking of? College athletes are going to cry. Because they can be paid now. They get paid. Yeah. You know what I read a statistic? Because Belichick is coaching UNC.

Yeah. 70% of UNC's football team has gotten a moving violation since we started coaching. It turns out you give people even younger than NFL stars money. Wow. They will spend their response. It's wild. It's absolutely wild. Okay, move on to our next story, which is that the Tokyo Auto Salon was BS.

We at the Cars and Bids podcast, what is this called? We no longer support the Tokyo Auto Salon. We don't believe in it. We don't accept it. We think it's a bunch of... Trivial non-news. We're not gonna even talk about it next year. It's also poorly named.

There's not even a salon. Okay, so last week we reported that Toyota was gonna debut a secret new mid-engine car. And we were speculating. It was in an MR2, there had been rendering shown, everyone was excited, the internet was a buzz. It turned out to be a K car on chunky tires. Yep.

That's BS, but even worse than that. And Toyota thinks they pulled the wool over everybody's eyes. No, you just disappointed us, we hate you. Move on to the next one. Subaru was like, we're going to do an STI. You remember this new story? We're going to do STI. Well, it turned out to be a cosmetic trim package on the W.RX.

How much more power does it have? Less. Less. Well, sorry, that's the same horsepower, less torque. In true STI tradition, it's got less performance. Yep. And it's also called the STI Sport Sharp. Isn't Sport Sharp?

Like, hashtag Sharp. Oh. Is it sport sharp is their sport mode? That's what it is. Yeah, yeah. That's the name of their sport. It takes something from what was the WRX-T-S-SpecB, which is Japan-only,

so as Brambo brakes, adaptive suspension, and ultra-sweid seats. They added some red and called it an S-C-I. I mean, this is the biggest. The Tokyo Auto Salon was a complete dud, and if you're an organizer of the Tokyo Auto Seline, and you're not,

we will never talk about your dud of a show ever again. Did anything important get revealed there, like a new overtrail LX? No. I will say to the organizer of the auto. I still wish I were there. I mean, it would have been cool. I want it to go.

I don't wish I was there. To see what? The Sport Sharp? Yeah, I mean, you're not wrong. The mid-engine K vehicle. Aren't you disappointed by this? Oh, incredibly. It was so sad.

It could have been something good. It could have been something good. That one was pretty easy to not screw up. Right? This one? Like, the SDI formula has been around forever. Subaru just refuses to, I just, I've tried to make sense of it for a long time. And I just think they don't want these people in their showrooms anymore.

I think they want to pivot to a different type of company, which is reasonable, I guess. But then why bother? It kind of reminds me of like the AMG trim packages, you know? Like, all you're really doing is watering down the brand. Like, it's just, I don't get it. And by the way, if you're curious whether this will come to the U.S., the answer is, we don't care. It's so true.

Next story. We're not talking about the Tokyo Autosol and anymore ever again. But we will talk about the FBI. The FBI. There have been a bunch of news stories. about Cash Patel who heads up the FBI choosing armored BMWs instead of the armored

suburbans. Cash Patel. They bought, the FBI bought some undisclosed number, could be a really small number, could be a large number, of armored X-5s. And honestly, I'm like supportive of this for a couple of reasons. And there's not going to be a popular take, but for a couple of reasons.

Oh, wow, we're going to get into politics right here. No, no, no, no. So why do you support it? So these are about half the price of a job. GM defense suburban. Everybody knows that you see a suburban 2,500. It is a federally owned vehicle, period. And so that does maybe a little bit more discreet?

And also it's half the price. Well, yeah, but does it offer the same level of capability? Apparently of armory. Of capability is a good question. It's actually small. So you lose smaller. It's different. And also it's still built in the U.S.

They're built in Spartanburg, South Carolina. They're built Spartanburg, South Carolina by non-union labor. And I got to assume that factored in. So I can accept that there is value in having a mix of armored vehicles. And I appreciate that they're nevertheless, U.S. built. Yeah. I agree with some of what you're saying. I agree with some of what you're saying.

I will get GM authority. Yep. I will say the one drawback is I'm curious whether it offers the same level of protection. Now, when you go to D.C. and you see the armored suburbans, there are different levels. There are. Clearly, you can tell. Like, some of them have completely different wheels and tires, which must be some sort of you know, gun penetrated can still drive on. And some of them are just on regular wheels and tires.

Some of them have a really thick armor in the rear windows and everything. Some of them are less so. Yeah. I don't know what level this is. I will say, I will say, the FBI also has a multi-million dollar, multi-year deal with GM defense. So they're still going to be buying Suburans from them.

And they also already had a deal with BMW to build armored, like, diplomatic vehicles. So I suspect they just, like, bought some additional ones or mixing up their mix. And my presumption. It has been, even though it hasn't really been reported how they're going to be used. My presumption has been that these are going to be primarily for like big-wig FBI people did right around Langley. Where's the thing? Is that where they are? No, that's the CIA. Well, we've got to figure out where the FBI is. We should probably DC.

Should figure that out. Regardless, get ready for some armored X-5. Let's hope when they armor them, they do the big three while they're in there. You imagine? It just breaks down. Have you been in the Vanos falls apart? You're saying, but you hold that. I mean, like, exactly. You can't kill an L.S. But a BMW motor, I mean, you don't need to shoot at it.

Just make it go 2,000 miles without a service. It's the B-58, man. Sitting duck. It's a B-58, reliable. Oh, my God, that's so true. It's a B-58. It's a grand engine. I'm sure, I'm sure. The big three, the big three being what, Vanos, SMG?

Rod bearings, I don't know. I'm sure they do the rod bearings on the new car. It is, it is. It is, armoring adds like 2,500 pounds. And so you got to assume that's only going to make it worse. Oh my God, while they're in there. Comes out of the factory. They rebuild it.

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when you go to join DeleteMe.com slash Demuro and use promo code Demerow at checkout. That's Join DeleteMe.com slash Demerow code Demerow. All right, move on to our next news story. Oh, speaking of BMW. Yes. a concept being released and likely to happen in EVM3, which already sounds sacrilegious enough. Yeah.

They are going to draw some cues from Hyundai. It's an electric M3, all right? When I was a child, there was a Chrome M3, and it broke the internet, and now we have an EVM3. Yep. Okay. Sure. Well, all right.

Chew on that. Can I give you some actual information? Quad motor. Yeah. But they say rear wheel drive, so you're going to be able to dial it. You can either dial it or disconnect the front motors. Okay. It'll also be all wheel drive.

What other information you got? We have simulated gear shifts. Simulating gear shifts is a huge deal. Yeah, it's smart. And they did a bunch of deep dives. BMW must have done like a large release earlier this week, but they apparently are creating a whole different like battery chemical structure to make it so that the motors are a little bit more responsive

or like the battery can deliver power a little bit more quickly and that recharge more quickly and do a regenerate break more quickly. It seems like a little thing that's going to fail. Cash Patel should be on one of these. Yeah, right. Yeah, it's going to be a little. You're missing the most important part, which is, even in camouflage, it looks better than the outgoing M3. I totally disagree.

That's great. The grills are a normal size. The current M3 is one of the great cars. And if this becomes the only M3, then everything I've ever said about the current M3 will come true, which is that it was the last and best, and that someday we will look back at those grills and love them. So there's a high performance control unit in the new class M3, apparently. it. Can you guess what they call it? The emotion love center. Oh, you're so close. The heart of joy.

Yeah. I mean, this is Germans. Yeah. They name stuff like that because they think, they don't know emotion, but they hear words and they. I drive was when like everyone had like iPod and like I, little lie, whatever. Right. They hear these things. They're thinking, this must be how the Italians feel. They have a, no, they have emotion. They would name something the heart of joy right. And then they ask the one Italian. Okay. That's all interesting.

It is cool. It will be cool. It will be cool. I'm excited for it. I hope that they still have a gas engine one. You do got under the segment for sedan EV's high power. Like, ask Lewis and how that's going. Well, yeah, but the segment for M3s is hot.

But this is no longer an M3. It's as much an M3 as the Mustang Maki is a Mustang. No. No. It's a little different from that. Well, the Mustang Maki is an SUV hatchback. The M3, this M3 sedan will, the current M3 is also a S&A. The M3 is the size of my grandpopies seven series, for one.

It's no longer a sports car whatsoever. I don't know. It's going to look like the next generation M3 regardless. It'll be priced like that and all that. I just hope they still do a gas version as well, and I have a suspicion that this isn't going to sell in great numbers. You know, somebody wrote into us and they were mad about our EV sales take. They were like, EVs were way up last year.

Why didn't you say that? Because that's not the story here. We know what happened for six. We're trying to change. We're trying to control the narrative, folks. No, the story is that the incentive goes away. People aren't buying the cars. Yes, overall sales were up.

Let's see what happens this year. Also, global sales were up, period. Which we talked about. I do want to see, I'm very curious what happens with a next generation M3 if it's fully electric. I do think that new class thing looks cool. Which is what this is based off two. It's interesting. So even manufacturers that are pulled back from EVs, GM has done a huge write down.

Ford has done a huge write down of their EV programs. They have all said, their leaders have said, they think that the timeline is a little longer, but they still really expect EVs to be the future of their brand. Just instead of being in 2030, it'll be in some year later. BMW kind of does need to continue to invest in this to be prepared for that. Will it be selling huge numbers? Maybe, maybe not.

But they still need to have it at some point. Yeah. At Audi did kill the RS6 E-Tron. You have to imagine the regular RS-E-Tron is not long for the world. Like it's weird everyone else is retreating from the segment and BMW's jumping two feet into the defense. They're retreating with some model. The RSE-E-T or whatever it's called has been out for a while.

It's a pretty dated product. Then they have pushed back release of other ones. This car is not coming out this year. It's not coming out. It's not. It's 27 and we still don't know how the market's going to be. For all we know, this exact car is going to have a V8 also. Yeah, I think FDG strategy.

BMW also, as all the German brands do, focus a lot on Europe as a core market, and I think in Europe, the performance TVs are a real play. I guess we'll find out. I'm excited to see. I am excited that some of these details are pretty impressive. Quad motors is cool, shiftable stuff is cool, and it's got a heart of joy.

Move on to the next to the news story. Yes. Also a heart of joy. Ford has teased. By the time you all are watching this, it will have come out, because it's coming out tomorrow. There's being revealed tomorrow,

but Ford has teased that the Dark Horse Mustang will have a supercharger. They haven't said it. They've implied. We've all been talking about how the GT350 went away and the world is ending. Well, now they're coming out with some powerful stuff. Yep. How do you feel about it?

Good. I mean, the GTD is so cool. That's the Halo car. Then you need to have the whole product line to support it. This is that. Well, this has 500 horsepower. The regular tour course has 500 horsepower already. Yeah.

So you've got to figure a blown one, six-ish something. Yep. You see the commonality here? The Americans are putting out the Corvette. X-X-X-X-X-X that goes zero to 60 and 1.6. Supercharged Mustang is it 500 horsepower isn't enough. Americans are embracing. Americans are embracing.

We're doing power. We're doing big engines. The Japanese are doing dumb stuff nobody wants. And the Germans have that electric thing. Yep. So the world is really, we thought globalization would bring us all together. Instead, we're getting frayed. You got to do what you're good at.

You've got to do what you're good at. There's no monoculture. even in the automotive industry globally. And on that subject, our next news story, The Death of the Plug-in Hybrids. Stalantis has killed all of its plug-in hybrids. Are you aware of this? I knew they were on a stop sale.

I didn't know that they had just stopped sale off. They were on a stop-off. Yes. And so maybe they couldn't fix those fires and how to just stop-side. No, no, we're not going to say that because it's not true and a sketch. The 4-E's are gone.

So with great fanfare, a couple years ago, Jeep came out with all these 4x-E's, which we all called 4x-E, until they told us we were wrong. Did you? Everyone did, including you. No, four by eight makes sense. Doesn't act?

Yeah, no, but the whole thing... Four by four. Oh, God. Anyway, the point is... You're a journalist for... No one knew. No one knew. We only saw it written.

The point is, now it's here and now it's gone. It's sad. I'm legitimately sad about this. Wasn't there a time when this was the most popular plugin? All of last year, if I remember I was before that. A lot of that was fleet sales.

If you go to your local enterprise or similar, you'll see a lot of Wrangler 4-Beyes. They were selling. You got union contracts, fleet sales are gold, or at least silver. One time I had to go pick up a subcompact and they were like, hey, do you want a 4-by-E? It's like, no. I don't actually.

The Wrangler is gone. The Grand Cherokee 4-Buy-E is gone. The Pacifica plug-hug-in hybrid. The Pacifica plug-hug-in hybrid is gone? It's gone. Which is the only plug-in-hundred minivan. That was your favorite. That was my dream.

Well, the general reason, it was the only plug-in hybrid. in hybrid minivan. However, when I talk to, I have known an enormous number of fairly young parents who are all interested potentially in minivans, and the primary thought

about the Pacifica plug-in hybrid was on paper it looks the best, however, they're afraid it will not work. And I always had to explain to them, you're right, it will not work. Correct. Sad but true. It will not ever run.

Jeep was the most, like, everybody understands broadly in the industry that hybrids and plug-in hybrids are the way to electrification. Well, maybe not salantis. Maybe they don't agree. Although I will say, Tim... Caniscus.

Caniscus. Has said that plug-in hybrids will be back. It makes sense that they will. Oh. Okay. We got to move on to our... Is that our last news story? No, we have one more.

Okay. We got to move on to our next news story, which is manual transmissions. This is seven-speed. You know what that car that's in? Porsche. Yeah. All right.

Our friends... Porsche podcast. Porsche podcast. Number one Porsche podcast on the world. Yeah. You know, I'm kind of proud of that, because Spike was over here saying he was number one. And look at us!

Yes. We all three of us have Porsches, including you. All Nick does is complain about how he doesn't want to talk about Porsches. Me too, by the way. And he's over here driving. Who is driven a Porsche the most? I know. That's what hit me is that I'm putting 12,000 miles a year on a Porsche.

So I'm King Porsche guy in this group. Nick's got a $9,000 used Cayenne. Congratulations. I love it. It's a good car. Especially now that I no longer have a bent wheel on it, it drives so much better. Okay, what's our manual transmission story? I apologize.

They got stuck on a rug. All right. Our friends at Motor 1 asked every manufacturer what the manual take rate was for each model in their lineup. Do you want to guess a few? Okay, give me a car and I guess. I would say a median is like 4%. All right. So BMW M2.

M2? Yep. 15%. 30. 40% of M2. Wow. That's a huge number. M3.

We'll keep going. 15%. 35. All right. So M3, the base M3 is available with a manual. 50% of M3s that were available with a manual. had a manual. M3, once you add an M3 comps, M3, X-Gsr, whatever, between 6 and 10%.

Huh. That's actually not so bad considering that they really want you to get in the auto. Because the auto has the more power. Not bad. Yeah. CT5B Blackwing? 60. 15.

48%. The CT4V is 61. Wow. Yeah. It shows you that there's a very small sliver of people who even want those cars. And that small sliver wants a manual.

Similarly, the mirror was 88% manual. Wow. The what car? The Lotus of Mira. Wow. 88% is great. That makes sense.

I mean, if you're not, if you're skipping a lot of traditional manufacturers, you want a non-traditional experience. Let me ask you three more. Okay. 9-11s. Both, all trim levels.

Not including GT3s or up, those are separated out. Uh, two, 3%. Five? All right. So if you include all 9-11, like non-G-3 trims, 15%.

If you look just at the trims, that were available with a manual, which I don't remember for 25, some of them, 83%. Well, I think that's, isn't that only the CRRT? I think that the time, the base one may have been available with the manual too, but yeah.

Isn't it 9-92.2. Anyway, okay, fine. I think it switched power through there. 80-some percent of CRROTT. Basically, 83% of Currity-T has had a manual. That's no surprise. That car is one of the great manual car. Similarly, 83% of GT3 touring

last year had a manual. Yeah, of course. And I'll give you one more. The Subaru BRZ. You know, 60% manual, probably higher. 65. What is it? I feel like Subaru would screw this up. 30%. My goodness. Subaru BRZ was 90% manual. Wow.

The GR86, which is identical. Only 52% manual. Yeah, it's lower. One of them is way lower. You know, I will say, though, when they come up for sale, I get why you said about you, but when I've watched them come up for sale, they're always manual. Yep. Very rare to see an auto. Tacoma's 1%. Yeah, but that's still probably a pretty big number of cars. Yeah, probably the most. Because BRZ's, GR86 is half of 7,000 sales for manuals. 1% of Tacomas, they sell 200,000 Tacomas a year.

What is interesting is Volkswagen, only the GLI in 2025 with a stick. Really? Wow. Because the GTI and Golf R are automatic only. I looked in 2024, GTIS and golf R's were both around 50% manual taked. Wow, and they got rid of the manual. How insane. This company is so lost.

It's so insane. They cannot find their own way. They are such a disaster. You have 50% of people choosing it for a manual, and yet they are not buying it. So what was GLI? 45%. So clearly people still want. They're going to cancel that one, too.

And they're going to give us, you know what they're going to do? After taking a year off with the ID buzz, they're going to come back with a more expensive, longer version. Okay. Of that list he has, if you just average all of them, it's 53%. So if you offer a manual, more than half the time people take it. Did he just say that? That doesn't have a reasonable take, but it's not how I would do that math. That's not how it works.

It is. I'm going to be honest. Korea and Tokyo are very close together, but we digress. On this list is the Pagani Utopia. We're apparently 75% of that were manual. But they sold three. Me, me, four. Three out of the four.

He's averaging all of them together. Look, it's math, all right. It's math. You got it, bud. All right, we got to move on to the Talk Cars segment. Talk Car segment is sponsored by Nick is a Porsche guy. Wow. Nick, a Porsche guy.

And I want to start the Talk Cars segment with some horrible news. Last week I announced, or two weeks ago, I don't remember when we did this. this podcast last. Feels like an attorney. I announced, you've got the car mom. Okay, I announced that I was interested in a Lexus LX. And a couple days later, Kelly, the car mom, who I think is the greatest automotive influencer, and I mean that sincerely, she made a video talking about how terrible the Lexus LX is for families. It doesn't have child tethers in the third row. It's too tight. This little bar blocks car seats. It sounds like it's a nightmare, honestly. And Kelly, all she does is take car seats in and out of cars and film them. She's like, it's like an incredible

gig. Like she's really good at this. So she says it's bad, it's bad. So I showed this real to my wife because I've been, we've been talking about how I want an overtrail. I want an overtrail. I want an overtrail. Show this real to my wife. She said, we are not under any circumstances getting this car. So I think we're 50-50. Yeah, that sounds right. By the way, everything she pointed out were questions I asked you about your purchase. What do you mean? I asked. Do you think you can actually fit three people across in the second row? You could fit three across in the second row. No question.

With two car seats. It is harder if car seats are. I asked whether you have space in the trunk. Of course I said it. I asked if you had space in the trunk. You also said there is a ton of space in the trunk. Regardless. She and I are on the same page.

Look, I think the Overtrail, you got to understand something. And Kelly, I emailed Kelly in a panic after this. And she got back to me. It was very nice. We had a little exchange in which she told me I should get a defender.

She said that that's the best. If you want an adventure car. 1.30. That's kid. capable, the defender is the one. And I was like, no. I had one. I'm good.

And she said, she called me a unicorn. Yeah. In the sense that what I'm looking for... So many senses. It doesn't really exist. And so many senses. Thank you so much. And so I don't know what to do.

Keep your sequoia. No, I don't want to keep the sequoia. Well, here's what I want. QX80. I want a car that is off... No, that doesn't have the off-road equipment I'm looking for. Dude. Armada Pro 4X.

I want a car, I want to be able to have three across in the back, ideally with car seats, off-road capability, great self-driving, and I want it to not look like the Sequoia. Like when I'm driving it around, I don't want people to think that guy was there on January 6th. You know what I'm saying? And I've said that I'm on the record saying, I don't mind it to look a little Republican. That's like totally fine with me. We have an E-Class wagon, which in my opinion is the most subtle Republican car. Yeah.

I just don't want it to look like I am literally careful. around a trove of firearms in the trunk. Do you know what I'm saying? Right. We can't do a Tahoe. Tahoe, I think, is less. The Sequo is so out there. But I also want it to last for a long time,

and so we can't do a Tahoe. Dude, I have a neighbor who bought a Tahoe diesel. Dude's getting 800 miles on a tank of gas. 800 miles on a tank of gas. This car won't last. That's my problem with Land Rover. I want to buy this car, and I never want to talk about buying a daily driver again

as long as I live, ever. That's going to be tough. also their configurator doesn't look that says everything you need to know anyway the car mom has talked me out of Alexis LX I am screwed now does that mean and I hate to ask a question and

prolong more discussion over this car I could care less about but does that mean Philippa's attempts to lowball the selling dealer did not pan out? Can I tell you what happened? Okay so I need to know I mentioned this is a great story this is a great ending to this I mentioned last week on the pod that I was particularly interested in this one LX overtrail

at a dealer in Chicago with CPO And I only want a CPO car. They're like 15 grand off. The warranty's longer. I only want to see me. I don't care about the mileage. So Filippo reaches out like 20 times. I want to give me a deal.

Give me a deal. The dealer's like, we won't go. We won't deal. We won't deal. This is our price. This is our price. A few days later, they email Felipe. And they're like, we're going to come down on price.

$500. And then. And then Filippo's like, okay, I want to deal on that number. And they're like, nope, we're firm now at this number. They said my email to me that they were. firm at their asking, which was 111-something. Yeah. Two days later, I get an automated email saying the price on the car you, like, reached out

about, went down $500. So I emailed them. They didn't email me proactively. I was like, do you have a little bit of extra flexibility now? No. The firm. By the way, the cars brought there a lot since October. I'm not particularly interested in this car anymore because I don't want to deal with

all this. And then didn't Sean, the producer, Sean S-E-A-N at Cardsombid. Did email them also. And Sean claimed he got it down like 20 grand. He lied. And then they went quiet. I told them I would hit it at 102 because they want 112. He said he got him to 102.

But then for some reason, they never called. I ever saw a sales contract. Got him to, got them to 102. Anyway, I'm not sure if I should even do this anymore. I reached out to the press car people, which I never do. And I said, can I get a press car this to figure out if it's going to work with my family? And they said they don't have one anymore. So we're screwed, dude.

You're not getting an Alex 700. Why not? My sports cars have you finish it for me. No. My sports cars have three pedals and my SUVs have three lockers. Am I right? I don't think I have those. You have neither.

Three lockers? You do not. Or pedal. And you do not have three pedals. It's unclear what will work in the Land Rover at any given time. But if I had three lockers, it would not. I'd have one and a half. You just don't.

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All right, so we are working with Coinbase, which is like the largest American cryptocurrency exchange for Bitcoin and all other cryptos, to auction the NSX off for USDC, which is a stable coin pegged to the US dollar. So we find this NSX, this car has 320,000 miles. We plucked it out of the Midwest. It's a one-owner car. And we're now auctioning it on the site. Remains a one-owner car because we didn't title it.

Yeah. And so you can be the second owner of this 320,000 mile 95 NSXT. I drove this car around. We're doing some real work to the car to make sure that it's like really prepped and ready for sale. I mean, it's going to be like really, really ready to go. However, I drove the car pre-engine work and it drove amazingly. And we've all been talking in the office about how there's no way any Ferrari would have made. it to 320,000 miles, let alone drive as well.

You couldn't tell. This car had nowhere. Nothing was perfect. The only thing when we got it and the only item in the entire interior that was worn was the cruise control button, which I think gives you an idea of how the previous owner was using it. So it's a lot of engine time at low at idle speeds on freeways. But it was incredible to drive this car.

No other exotic car I can think of could do this kind of miles and stay in this kind of shape. Proving the testament of what everybody's always said about the NSX. It was like a Ferrari, but a reliable one. And this car is that. It's truly, we have service records going back a long way. But it's not like this required, like, monthly maintenance to get to that point. No, it just did it. It was a Honda.

It was a Honda. The dude did 320,000 miles in a Honda, like you might do in an Odyssey, taking your kids to hockey games. Right. But it was an NSX. He was an engineer or something of that sort in Indiana, and, like, just clearly drove it on the highway. And to be fair, he had it for 30 years. Yeah. And did 300,000 miles, 10,000 miles a year.

Like, that's a normal youth for your daily driver. He told us, go back to the, the, the, the, the, he told us that he initially bought an automatic, wasn't this story? And he realized it wasn't for him, replaced it with a manual. And he had the automatic for like six months, placed it with a manual, and it for 30 years. Had it sense. It's, wow. The condition of, have you driven this car?

No. It's really not. Have you driven? No. Somehow. So, so, so nice. Look at that. 82.

Yep. That's a lot of money back in 95. Yeah. It is. And then he added a CD changer. CD changer. How much do you think that is? For 900 bucks at that day currency?

Probably 160, 170,000. 175,000. Yeah. How much was the CD charger in today's money? $900. Well, $1,800. It's about double. Yeah, yeah.

$1,900. $1,800 for a CD changer. But think about how many hours he was listening to CD. Yeah, that's true. This dude knew what he needed. Good R-I. Yeah. Crazy. I'm excited about the option.

This car is wild. There are no comps, but there can be. We have no idea what we can sell for. We have no idea what to tell you to pay for it. No NSX has ever come up with miles like this. The ones that have high miles tend to have been passed around to 14 people and they're lowered, which is fine. Like, the community deserves cheaper ones to.

But this car isn't that. Like, OE wheels, like this is a clean, clean, clean. With a lot in maintenance. A lot of maintenance. We're getting a bunch of work done at, like, the shop in Southern California for these cars. Also, and I apologize if you already said this and I tuned out, but there's no accidents. No. Like, statistically driving three.

300 some thousand miles. Yeah. Someone's going to rear-end you. You're going to scrape a door like Hoovey did with this gall-wing. Happened intersections. And I honestly bet 300 to the miles. Is this guy working like a hot shot rig? Like, that's crazy.

It's over 30 years. Yeah, I know. Still. No accidents. No rust. The body looks great. Car was clean. Despite being an idiot.

Is this your goal for the Fiat 500? Another 25 years, 10,000 miles. My goal for the Fiat 500 is to either drop it off a cliff or sell it. Yeah. what people have been saying, but it's still around. I door dinged it earlier, getting into that Lexus. I told Kenan, Kenan asked whether he could do a video cleaning it. And I said, I don't care.

And I also said that I'm ambivalent between him doing a video cleaning it and him doing a video showing you how to key a car. I care the same amount for whichever out of it. Sean is telling me that the NSX was driven every year to the guy's summer house in Florida. Wow. Probably he means winter house in Florida, I would assume. Yeah, you don't. But that explains also why there's no rust because.

presumably it wasn't in Indiana during that time. Yep. What a special car. Super excited to see what it sells for. Obviously happy to do the partnership with Coinbase, who's been a wonderful partner in this and very supportive of us, finding this really special car and doing this promotion. I just think is really cool.

But I'm especially excited to see where the market values this car. I know. I'll tell you this, from a driveability perspective, from a usability perspective, it feels like a car with 30,000 miles. The market will not value at that number, but then you've got to wonder, like, where is it? I don't know. Don't have any idea.

Before I bought my Nana-Lum, we've obviously had this car around for a little bit as we were filming all the con. We knew it was going to come up for sale. I've considered. Yeah, just buying it. I don't think that it's that different in price. Yeah. But it could be worth it. Yeah.

It's an amazing car. It's also a lot of fun to drive. That car is so well-balanced and the shifter and clutch are so, like, it is just such a nice car. I'm worried it'll be a real pricey car. Not worried. I mean, great. I don't think so. I think the market is going to hit it for the miles, but someone who buys it who wants

a driver is going to get really, really, really a great car. They can be the second owner of an 1995 NSXG. I want to talk about Mickey's Hot Dogs in Mesa. Yeah, gladly. I'm going to be at an event that we're throwing alongside a Vance, which is a car community. Yeah. During Arizona Car Week, or Arizona Auction Week, whatever there.

They're calling it down there to try to make it a thing. On Friday the 23rd. I will be there. Nick, I believe, will be there. But Nick has not made any hot dog offers. Only I have. Is this event, it's not actually at Mickey's, it's near Mickey's. It's near Mickey's.

It is at a place called the warehouse. Is this an open to the public? You have to be at a Vance member or we have a some number of reserved entries. If you enter from our community post that is. Okay, so we link to community post. If you go on to the events part of Cars and Bids, you'll see this there. You can enter and you can get in or you can join Avantz, which is a really cool, like, car social organization. And again, the best car there, Felipe is going to take you out afterwards.

to Mickey's Hot Dogs. Folks, I don't know if you've been to Mickey's, but it's over on, it's over on, it's on Broadway and McDonald there in Mesa, and it's great stuff. They got relish there. Nick, you ever been to Mickey's? No.

I've been to the Wiener Circle in Chicago. You ever spend time in Mesa, Nick? Yeah, of course. Yeah. I mean, I lived in Tempe. This was like backyard. Tempe and Mesa is like, there's a very blurry distinction.

Nick, you didn't go? You never went over to Mickey's at that time? Been a vegetarian for 20 years. You know, You think Mickeys doesn't have a vegetarian menu? They might. I'll go. The caveat here with this contest is I'm either bringing in the Multipla or the SLR.

Either way, I have a good odd of winning Felipe's favorite car. I just clicked on the menu for Mickey's. Here are the options. Tacos, tortas, burritos, toastadas, drinks. That's it. No hot dog? Felipe will not be buying you a hot dog at Mickey's, but he might buy you a tostata. Mickey's had to change when the, when Phoenix changed.

Micky's change right along with it. Ed would adapt. Do we think that everybody watching is incredibly surprised that Nick, with everything they know about Nick, as a vegetarian? I can't believe he only just revealed it. Folks, Nick is a vegetarian. There was a time he was a vegan, but I pried him back into reality with pizza. I also eat fish.

And if I know the person that's killed the animal, like the last I had, I think was elk maybe. Up at your father's band. Yeah. Nick goes up to Wyoming every so often and he texts and he says, I couldn't move here. I'd said the same thing with Arizona last week. And then he, yeah.

You know, Arizona has like no laws. You can just do whatever you want. We went to a pool and kids are just like belly flopping off of the public structures. They don't want belly flopping in California. It's not actually in Imperial County you can still belly off.

But here in San Diego County and in Orange County, you're not even allowed to get in them. It is tied to whether they have emissions There was like no lifeguards, nothing. I get back. I can't even get a grocery bag. They don't have late. You're supportive.

Crazy. I have, we got to move on. All right. Move on to. Arizona's amazing. We want to move on to Nick talking about his next project car. Nick, go ahead. Ah, well, there's a lot to unpack here.

There's sure is. The multipla, I'm done with. I've given it to Felipe. I'm not done with it. Yeah, no, Felipe's got it. And he's like, Nick, do you know it's leaking fluid everywhere? I'm like, yes. I knew that.

Was I supposed to disclose that to you? Sorry. I don't know. When I got in the car, there was some light on the dash that I didn't recognize. So I checked that. The glow plugs. There's a glow plug and then there's an injector. When you first turn it on, a light comes on to glow plugs.

No, no, no. There was a low on the sustained. It was an injector really light. We're working on it. I want to be clear, though, this car has not been given given to Felipe. It's not like your car now. We're going to sell this car on car. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

If you're waiting for a bad multipla. No, it's the best multiply, which is still a bad multiple. But like... So you remember when Nick sold this bad. color Mercilago. He's now going to sell his good color but bad multiple. And one of these days, he's going to just have a good

car. God, Fleepa, we're a car's coffee this weekend. And Perry's asking Nick, I don't know, were you around for this? My friend Perry came to it from Atlanta, he came down here. Hi, Perry. And we were asking, Perry was like, Nick, is this a large? Pretty nice. It's a nice car. What's a problem? How many miles? And Nick said, said, oh, 5,000 miles.

Perry said, I can't believe you only paid whatever. Nick said, yeah, it was a really good deal. I don't know. And I'm standing there listening to this. And I go, Nick, Nick, it was on fire. And Nick's like, oh, you know, yeah, there was a fire. He was going to just trying to, just like mentally trying not to get. It's insane. Fire was a long time ago, buddy.

Can I say two things about the multiple? Because I drove it a bunch yesterday, which was the light. Let's hear it. First of all, we, when I lived in Italy, my family had two Fiat. We had three or two of that key. And it just felt so, like, correct. Rob Filippo back to using that key. To his childhood when he would go to the town square and play soccer,

until dinner time, until it got dark with the little kids. The town square next to the church. We actually had like a little long driveway next to a church as it were. We'd play in that long driveway or in the church parking lot. But. Steadily, man. There's always a connection. There's always a but it was so good in that way.

Also, I decided that it's the least antagonistic car. Like, you can't look angry at somebody because it's all windows. You're in a 9-11. You're 9-11. or even like the GTI. Like there's some tint, it's low, you don't have that much visibility. It's like an angry seeming car.

Yeah. You can't, you have to be nice to your neighbors in Multipala because they can see everything. Yeah. That's true. It's like a very, like, friendly car. So.

And they're looking. There's a lot of sociology about, a lot of people are looking. There's a lot of sociology about how people when they're in their cars, like disconnect a little bit and like feel a sense of protection and like behave rudely as a result of that space.

Multiple, not true. Um, so you're driving it, but you're going to stop driving it because, Yeah, the last guy who drove it around a little bit, it broke down and spent like two weeks in the show. Yeah, it's good.

Yeah, for now. Yeah, I am 100% going to stop. When you buy this car, it's worth... It's the only multiple here, and it's so delightful as a result. I love it. It's got a little leak, but... So that's selling soon when we do our amazing adventure series. Two weeks.

Yeah. That's going to be coming live to the channels. Which means I've already want to spend the money I haven't collected yet. Which, by the way, $4,000. That occurs with $4,000. No, no, it'll do well. I'm in at like 15, so I really hope you're wrong. That car...

Are you going to do anything to try to make the paint or interior look nicer? I thought about it, but... How would you be in at 15 when it's in that shape? Well, I spent like 13 getting it here than like... I think you'll get the money back, legitimately. Oh, there is... I'll bet you $1,000 right now. That thing doesn't even get close to $15.

Well, I'm just going to assume it brings 15 to 20. Okay. And I'll tack that on some of the Arnage funds. The car you lost $10. I've got to consider it some of money here to spend on the next project. Okay. All right. So to me, you're at, you're at like negative 20.

To you're up like 30. All right. It's just cash. Right. We're doing cash basis here. It doesn't matter. The past is the past, much like the buyer and the SLR. It happened a long time ago and it doesn't matter.

I love your point being that you got paid for the Arnage. Right. Even though you lost a lot of money, you still got $17,000. I have money in a low interest savings account that needs to be invested more wisely. Nick P&L is just the profit part. There's no expenditures. It's just accounts payable. That's exactly what it is.

The actual spend to purchase the car doesn't make it onto the statement. Only what he gets back. Which is great accounting. And by the way, by the way, I think even if you figured that, he's still lost on the or not. So bad. What are you considering? Part of me, so the SRT 10 RAM is still very high on the list. Yeah.

Hard to find one that's meeting my specific needs, but there is one in Phoenix that I want to check out when we're back for Car Week. You want Quad Cab, right? I do want Quad Cab, which is a bummer for the trans because you get an auto, but... You could probably swap them. Are you aware of how small their rear doors are? Well, what's the rear look like? I get small kids.

They don't need to be big doors. What's the rear look like? Can we give this to the car, mom? It's pretty tight. Kelly? Yeah. She's got four kids, dude. Dude, look, the three of them right there.

It's wide. What about the other people? There are some in the bed. She's like a car seat technician. She's like never going to put her kids in the bed. You on the other hand. Meanwhile, the multipla, the seatbelts don't even lock. Like, they're just loosely.

Multipl is dangerous for adults. You know, kids alike. As a kid, that was a safe car. But I was a family vehicle. There's an R63 that just went live on Facebook Marketplace, previously sold on cars and bids that I'm 80% sure is a scam, but might be real. Okay. Why you announcing this?

Yeah. It's fine. You have two days to buy this car. Free market. Folks, if you're on Facebook marketplace in Valley Stream, New York, which is just north of the city, you're now competition for Nick on this R-63. Go for it, people. If they beat me to the punch, they're welcome to have it.

The guy asked to face him right now to show it to me. Do that. You didn't do that? I can call them right now if you want on air, but I figured we'll wait. Right after. Okay, and then I really want an E-55 wagon to manual swap. A 211. But that one's the hardest to find of all of them.

I think that was such a little bit. That car is not... Didn't you ever see the ad with the monster? No. I'm sorry, what? Look, that guy that put him in a Volks. Like, you couldn't mess with these cars. They're not...

Yeah, but it's not about keeping the car original. I just don't think the character of the car lends itself. It's a big, like, fast, straight line situation. My car's got one or two diff lockers and my... You know, east of the... The SUVs have a manual. I don't know. Third rows.

Night wagons. Third row was there. It was available for you as a line. Yeah, that's so true. It's okay. My cars have three rows and my, but even then it wouldn't have been. ECC3s are down. E63 is a pretty cheap, but he wants the blown V8, which I agree with.

I actually owned this body E63. And I prefer the E55. If I do a 63, I want the R. If I do a 55, he went the wagon. Yeah, I think that makes sense. Yep. Well, I'm excited for you. I hope this goes in certain directions, and I hope it doesn't go in other direction.

So we'll see. You want a RAM? Here's my order of preference. R63, although I think you'll get tired of it even quicker than the multiple. E55 Y got it nice and surely hope you don't manual swap it. And then lowest on the list is the RAM. Only because it's a tip.

The stick ones are cool as hell. There's also a Mabok 57 I've been sending to the group. They've dropped the price. It's got 136,000 miles. But at some price you've got to say yes. And I don't know what that price is, but it starts with a two. Yeah.

Yep. We haven't sold one in a $507 in forever. Yeah, and non-S, but it's fine. They're pretty cool. So you're going to become a Mercedes-Benzeman. Just for now. You're going to... Until the BMW M3EV comes out, then we'll switch.

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Okay, click type in Quatro Porte. There. Ooh. Nick, I know we don't like these quattro portes, but are you... This is a 12 car. You know what? I saw one on the road the other day, and I swear to God, I thought, that looks pretty cool.

They're long and menacing. They're long and menacing. Like, the Ghibli's kind of sucked, but like, click on... It kind of looks like a gangster car, you know? Yeah, that... It kind of looks like a gangster car. And I was like, I would not disrespect that guy's wife. Yeah.

You know? But if it was a Ghibli, you would. You would disrespect his wife, his children, his whole family. I agree. I'd be like, they'd be like, they probably. They probably had it coming. They probably had it coming. But this car, you see him and you're like, I don't know.

Yeah. Like that guy knows some dangerous people. He knows some people. Or he is one of those people. Yeah. Go to the interior does it look nice inside. But then he chose the Oregon Vineyard Place. The wine country, yeah.

Well, it's unreadable. Let me tell you something. If you live in a lot of woodchap... If you're ever wondering why someone has chosen a specific license plate in some states, it's unreadable. Yep. That's why. We don't actually want to save the manateeatie in Florida. We don't care.

We're different to the manateeatie. But the license plate is unreadable. Yeah. A lot of what, also, I forgot that ignition was on the left. I didn't know that I ever knew that. You reviewed one of these cars. I don't think I did ever review a quattroporte of this. Interesting.

After the Ghibli, you were like, no. I went for 12? Well, you know, at one point they did a V8. So I agree with you that the true Italian quattroporte, the one you had, is like the real one. But at 12. Right. And it kind of looks cool. It kind of looks like people aren't disrespecting your family.

Yeah. I mean, your point on the Levanti was also true, right? Like, they're laughably glad at retail new, but at some point you're like, oh, this is kind of a logical thing to do. Totally. And I always felt the Levante drove pretty well. I never thought really the Ghibli drove that well, but this car I bet is okay, especially at 12.

What does a backseat look like? You know, pretty nice. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. I started to watch your Ghibli review. Oh, wow, those pillows. Do you think the car mom would be supportive of this? Yeah.

From now on, I'm only going to buy cars if I run by the car mom first. I think you need a collab here. I went on her pod once. I'm telling you she's the greatest automotive influencer. Yeah. And then her and Harry. Harry's garage. Same vibe.

Yeah, you could put some couple cars. You'd hurt the leather. Yeah, I don't think this. I think this is like Chrysler stuff. The car's hurt. You know, it's. So anyway, they did a V8. Can you pull up Cuatro Porte?

Is 12 an outlier? No, it's got 85,000, 88,000 miles. But can you pull up Quatrote? Sort by like newest or highest price or something? Like, I want to know what the V8s went for. This one, GTS. Yeah, that's a V8. That's a V8, but that was in 21. That, look on that.

I can't imagine it's more now. Nick, 31. This car actually looks pretty cool, and it's got a big old V8. What was the horsepower rating? 525 horsepower. You know, you got mad at me when I got rid of my P-38 and replaced it with another P-38. Yeah. That's better.

Don't you think replacing my quatra-Porte for another quattro-a-morte? Maybe. You'd rather have a repede? A repede's are big money. They're like double this. They're like 35. Are they? Not 60. The facelift ones are, but the pre-facelift, you can find them under 40. Do lowest price.

Stradman bought his for like 37 from a dealer. Well, yeah. Wow. This one has that 200,000 miles. Yeah. Which is 200,000 in the S-Martin world. That's the NSX, the one-owner NSX. The opposite of the NSX.

Yeah. Yeah, I mean, look at that liar there. But yeah, they're in the 40s. Man, V-12. I forgot these had a V-12. Look at that. You're thinking about one of these? Is this on your list or not?

Oh, for sure. In Madagascar? They terrified me, and that's coming from somebody who owned an Arnage. It terrifies me. I would much rather have this than Arnage in terms of own ability. I think this is a way more in a book. It can't be much worse. Well, for one thing, it's considerably newer.

Yeah. Plus, again, if you're buying it 30-some, you know, how much can you get killed? 12-R-A-R-A-R-A-R-A. The answer is about 25-5 grand. Even though he bought his Arnage for 19, he still managed to lose over 20. Okay, the other market part I want to talk about is the R-8, then we've got to move on to questions. Yeah.

Pull it up. You see this? What a sale? Nick, you see this? Yeah. Nick is an R8, and Nick owned an R8, a stick V8. I can't use computers. Oh, no.

Yes, well, you guys had like the best R8 of the Gen 1s, or Gen 1.5, I guess. There have been others that have sold in the last nine months on other platforms, and there was one that should have been nicer, half the miles, that sold for $2.15. This is a son of it. Bring the trailer. He doesn't want to say Bring the trailer, but I'll say bring the trailer. Bring the trailer had one with 6,000 miles, literally. That sold for 215.

So ours was sitting at 220 over the weekend. Premium plus, it was a gated plus. It was a gated plus. I don't know about premium plus is a trim level in Outman. Yeah, you're right. Plus, whatever. You're an outy guy. V10 Premium Plus.

If only we'd had a V10 prestige. Yeah. But so they had one and it only sold for 215. That was only in March. So it was less than a year ago. And so I assume this would be around there. Now, this is a special color, but it's this Panther black, which to me, I will say.

It's pretty cool in the sun, but it's subtle. Maybe, but it's very subtle. It's not like Samoa. The one on bringing a trailer with a different one-on-one block. Oh, really? It was also a one-on-one-blatt. Regardless, this one brings 261, and I think that this illustrates a couple things. First off, bring the trailer.

But secondly, if... So good. And I mentioned this in that weekly report, email I send out every week. If you think the R-8 is going up in value, this car leads the chart. Like, this is the King R-A. I think it's the... You said it's the best-gen-1. I think it's the best R-8, ultimately, because you get the V-10, you get the plus,

and you have a gated. The second-gen's weren't off-over to the state. Right. To me, like, there is probably no better R8 in the world. There might be some really cool colors or some even lower miles. There are. Like, there might be one or two better cars. Like, this is it.

Go find one. Yeah, yeah. I mean, they come up every two years. They made eight. And the other, is that right? Some low number. The other interesting thing about R8 owners is they grow to love the car and become obsessed.

And then they eventually say, I wish I had a nicer one. Yeah. Right? Like, they don't, they become R8 loyalists and they think, like, this is my favorite one. I just wish it had a V-10. Two of my three RA-owner friends ended up getting a better R-8. Yeah. Not you though.

Not you. You got a S-L-R-S-R-S. You got a mercy. That's an even better R-A. Yep. But at that price point, you could find an E-gear and have a little swap budget, but it would never be as nice as this. I am curious who buys us at 260.

It's a lot of money for an R-8, although if it's going to happen, this is the one. It's a car. But I'm curious, like, does that person already have 10 other exotics in the... Or is he deciding? Because at 260, I'd probably prefer your stick-swap-mercy to this. They're very different though. This is way more usable. Yeah, but I'm not looking for usable. But that's what I'm talking about. Who is the person who's trying to find a usable but very special? Because you can't really use this, right? There's there's, you got to keep this pretty preserved. Yeah. It's a very valuable car. If you wanted to use one, you can find a lot of other R8s. I'm willing to bet the person I'd own an R8 before. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Like that's, that's the demo for that. I don't think you'd understand what makes this car so special unless you had. Yeah. Yep. Yep. Very. cool, very cool Sarah. I was super happy to host this car.

The seller did a great job presenting and it was just a really, really special car. The owner is our friend Sam in the future. He's gone from a boxer spider, and then he starts upping. I don't think Sam's not spent in two things. He might. This one for the right price. Okay, I got to move on to questions. The questions of course are sponsored by Nick Rochon.

Oh, that one. The next YouTube channel, which has the greatest automotive content. Folks, Nick put up a post this week about two weeks ago about how he spent the winter, the Christmas holiday in Arizona, low-balling people. I'm still low-balling people. Yeah, I'm deep into a rabbit hole now of used tires.

Oh my God. You are a... I'm over budget on the P-38. I did a lift kit. No question about it. And the lift kit on stock wheels looks terrible. It does. I saw the picture.

Like a new set of tires is like another couple grand. Nick, you're digging this hole yourself. I told you when it started. I'm calling about Lalantas. That's a Thai brand. That's Spanish for tires. No, the Spanish word. That pronunciation is going to get you very far.

I know. I'm not getting very far. What are you trying to get? What are you trying to get? If you are Louise and you're listening to this, please respond to your DMs on Facebook. I will take them for your asking price. Nick, you have a real career.

You put your family in these cars. One of them is an SLR. Also, it's Louise. Not Louise. Can you just buy Not used tire out of the P38 project is about What tire are you trying to find? I don't think of care

Either Falcon Wild Peak or K02-O-3 There are used Falcon Wild Peaks out there That like people are selling the 50s They're little rare in 16s but we're fine We're hunting them down Like expensive $1,300 bucks What if you get cheaper newer tires?

I don't want like off brand I will find They come up with great for 15,000 miles They got a plug in them and on the sidewall's ripped. You also, you go to these used tire places. They quote installed prices. They don't do any of this, like, gimmicks with recycling. And you just, they knock it out real quick.

Like, it's not like a normal tire place where you got to deal with all this stuff. I do like that about use tire places. They're usually quite quick and efficient. Yeah. So you're going to do this? There's a lot of them are like in Chula and stuff. So I was hoping to do it right before or after the pod. But, hey, how much are you into your free P-38, Mr. Free Free Free Free?

10-394. 10-3-94. Pre-ty-tires. Pre-tires. Yeah, that's why I'm trying to keep tires like 300 bucks. I have a glove box. I have a glove box. It's just not a tap. Is the stereo installed?

How many? No. How many? No. The stereo is installed. Is it working? Busing noise. Okay.

So I removed this speaker that's buzzing and it moved to another speaker. But I couldn't tell. I removed the tweeter. And then I found out afterwards it was actually the lower speaker. So I'm down three speakers now and it's still buzzing. It's a disaster. I think I'm going to go. for AirPods.

After all of that. Include that in the budget, that's $29.99. I didn't put the door card back on because I ordered new speakers, and so I've got no door card, no club box. You're driving speakers, yes. Because I got to go pick up my kids after this.

This is so, you got an SLR, dude. He's the only person that owns that SLR that's also shopping for youth tires for free P-38 that doesn't have speakers of door panels. I can't believe this crap. You don't go broke making a profit,

You're not going to make a profit. You haven't made a profit on any of these cars. You can't pull me any cash for like 2x. You selling any megachurches? Maybe. One of these is your car, which one? They're unrealized losses. It's way back.

Okay, and it looked different. It was seven grand. It looked different. It looked better. The car that you were given for free, somebody had to ascribe $7,200 in value to. You think it's now worth over 10? What profit are you? Wait, wait till you see.

see it with the new tires. I saw it with the lift. Also, the worst part is I took out the old navigation and radio and for YouTube, I filmed myself running over it. But the car play connected and turned off the video as I was doing it. So I lost the footage that I was

so proud of. What an idiot! Oh my God! So you're in it for 10394, but unsaid there is you need tires, you need some sort of infotainment solution, and you're down at several speakers. And it still has a check-in, shall I.

It still was an active seat. You cleared it, but it's... I replaced ignition coils. That was not the culprit. You're just replacing stuff? You think about throwing a code reader in there and seeing what it is? It misfired. Like, that could be anything.

Could be anything. P-38. Put a new motor in, and honestly, you'd probably end up in better shape. We're off the rails here. We're finding a new project card. That's all we were saying. You're getting rid of this P-38? No.

No. I missed that the most when I was in Arizona. The questions... The questions are brought to you by Nix U-G's. channel where you can see all this and more. First question from Telemeister 62. This is a great question. Why is a 100-ser a five-figure car,

deep five-figures, while first-gen- Sequoias with the same drive-train or a tenth of the cost, the first-gen-sac-a-old. Pull-up of first-gen-sac-a-old. Pull-up of first-gen-sac-a-old. The original Sequoia had the same power train, and honestly, the Tundra, too. I did not realize that. The original Sequoia had the same power train. Go to lowest price, because I'm sure they're all... Yeah, this one. I'll give you lowest price.

The first-gen-siqui had the same power train as... Now, it's not as capable as the 100-1-1-Series. It's longer, it doesn't... It looks better, though. I think the Sequoia, first-d-sur-Corea looks so good. It certainly looks fine. They run forever. Unlike carriers.

I won't. They run forever, because the 4-7 is the greatest engine Toyota ever gave us. Ever. One U-Z. The one-U-Z. The greatest engine Toyota ever gave us. Why are these so much cheaper? I mean, there's always attacks on Toyota Land Cruiser.

Even the LXs are cheaper than land cruisers from this generation. Which is surprising. And, well, some of them had this... hydraulic suspension thing. But then the Sequoia, now, the Sequoia isn't as capable. It's longer. Like, I suspect the off-road as a result that you've got a breakover angle thing. I generally bet off-road stuff is not as strong.

It's probably not built as quite as well. The Land Cruiser famously is a 25-year car. All the components are tended to last longer than a Sequoia component. But I would argue, though, especially if you buy from the Southwest, it's not rusting, and you get the 4-7. That's a 25-year car. Honestly, you should buy Sequoia. Just everybody.

These first-gen sequoias are just, they can run and run and run and run. To be fair, this one has 209,000 miles sold for $9,000. That's not far off of 100 series. Yeah. With that miles. Yeah, and 0500 series itself for a lot. Ooh, somebody supercharged this one. Yeah, TRD, baby, put a blower on her.

Cool. Blower and 129. That one looks nice. Why don't you get one of these? Really step up. I guess that's a thought. It's not like a terribly interesting car. Anything would be a step up.

Oh, yeah, your P38. I drive that. Oh, this is so much fun. You see a P-38, you're taking a picture, and you're saying that guy I'm not taking a picture. You know something about life. You see a Sequoia. You think it's a used car.

When I see a P-38, I take a picture now. When I see a P-3, I take a picture now, I can't believe this guy's still on the road. Yeah. And I sent it to me. You sent one earlier. I sent one earlier. But you had one in school's carpool.

You didn't send it to the group? I did. I sent it to the group. There was someone with a white one on a white 4-0. Missed it. Okay. Okay. Next question from Wobaki Evo.

Hey, Doug. VR6 powered Volkswagen, excuse me. Pull up the Eurovan. I will. You can pull up on the site. You can put up on the site. Your point is made. I reviewed a Eurovan.

I can't believe the disrespect that this question has. It was that one. I reviewed it. This is a VR6 Volkswagen people. Nick, I think as a VR6 enthusiast, you'd be thrilled to see me reviewing a VR6. Is it a VR6? Yeah.

Wasn't the Kyan also a VR6 early on? Well, okay. I'm gonna tell a story to Volkswagen people that's going to really get them all scared. VR6 is a marketing term, okay? It's just a V6. That's all it is. They told you it was a VR6.

It's a narrow angle. Nobody cares what the angle of the engine is. It's a V6, okay? They told you all it was a VR6, and there's been all these people who are, like, enthusiasts of the VR6. It's them marketing at trying to prove that it's something cooler that they developed.

It isn't. It's just a V6. Never angle V6. I'm not wrong about this. Next question. Why haven't you done an R32, though? I want a blue stock hard to find

I want a blue stockie. I mark four I want a blue stockie I mark five I want a blue stocky a mark six. Stock has got to be the hard part of that I would imagine they were so modable they were so modable yeah

there's a lot of cool cars you haven't reviewed including the B7 IRS 4 because I'm waiting for stockies on a lot of them and they're hard to find for instance I'd love to find a blue stock Evo 6 I would love but I can't seem

to find one They're just not around. Okay, next question. Not one with 30,000 kilometers behind. Peterson, JA 22. I drove that car yesterday, that blue stock EV-O-6. One of the greatest experiences in my life. Tell Rami.

I want one of those. I'm still having them look for B-5 virus four for me. He's looking for N-55 for me. And you know, I was at Cars and Coffee, and I was talking to somebody, and they were like, yeah, I got a guy looking in Europe for a car. I'm like, oh, my God. Rami's looking for all these cars.

And by motorsports. Next question from Peterson, JA-22. Felipe, congrats on the Porsche. When are you going to join the crew and start a YouTube channel? It's a great question. Yeah. What do you mean? If I were to start a YouTube channel,

solely the auto industry news that you deem too boring for this podcast. And I'm going to be honest, that's probably not a recipe for success. What would you just sit like here at the set and front and like that's all you do? Yep. Spin up podcast. There's a lot of news that we can't get to. And I love the car. I love cars, but really I love the car industry.

He likes the industry. He's an industry man. We didn't cover the story about the guy at the, the forward plant that flipped off the president. Yeah, we decided to avoid to just focus on that on Cash Patel and that's it. Can you imagine if we covered that story? Kind of just did. So you're not doing a pot for sure.

Even though this is your chance to like start your content career. I think people might not realize this, but like my actual job at cars and bids sometimes has content, but I do. Oh, you think you're better than us. No, no, better. Better is. He does big brain stuff. He does not the word. You went over your car play, but.

You weren't over your stereo, but then it connects to carplay. Which is so hilarious. How did it have power? How did the car play you didn't have power? Because it was connected to the one in the car. Yeah. It connected to the one in the car. He was running over the old one, the stop.

Oh, got it, got it got it. Probably was buzzing, too. Like that all the time. No, no. I more mean, my time is not as focused. I don't have an interest in becoming a content celebrity. But you still have the footage. You just don't have the sound.

No, it like stops filming. Because the phone would have switched to the, like, turned off. Well, Filippo, I, for one, would love to see a YouTube channel that you do. Would you like it to be all car industry news? Yeah, that's where I would get my industry news. Instead of having to go on these websites, it's like hodgepodge of websites where we always find car industry news, I want to get my one-stop shop, Felipe. Every Monday morning, I want you to tell me what's going to happen in the industry that week.

I'll do daily TikTok shows. I'm trying to convince him, since we're both going to Arizona Car Week next week, to road trip with me in the Multipla, and we'll film it from his house all the way to Mitchell's hot dogs and Mesa. It's Mickey's. Whatever. And they don't do hot dogs, dudes. Mitchell's tacos and hot dogs and more.

Toastatas. Let's do it. Video coming soon to Nick Rochon. We'll stop by a little Ontario. All right. I'm going to do two more. I'm going to do two more. I'm going to do two more.

Number one from Tom Ross 24. Volvo X-C-90. It's been looking the same for 10 years. I think it's a great way to look rich for cheap. Early ones of this generation are in the teens to buy. What do you guys think? I agree. They are also surprisingly reliable.

I assume they wouldn't be, but they are. They're getting tons of miles. They come up with miles. They do not seem that worn. They do look rich for cheap. That's the kind of car. No matter who you were, you could be driving at the Knicks neighborhood,

and people wouldn't go talk on Nextdoor. There's so many of them. There's certain people, you go into Nick's neighborhood, no matter a certain type of person, I'm not going to say who, but in Nick's neighborhood, they go on next door.

I saw one of these today. But if you had an XC90, they'd be like, nope, all good. Every large Volvo, from any era still looks like you fit in an original. Yeah, that's right. An old XC70 still fit in. The first-gen-X-C-90 still fit in.

Totally. Period. As long as it's in decent shape. Yeah, yeah. Some Volvos get ratty. It's funny because people... You still look reasonable. Yeah, it does.

It's funny because Volvo had this rep in like the 80s of these like brick cars that could run forever. And then they got complicated, but actually they still are relatively reliable. And this new body X-C-90 is a shockingly reliable. 14,000 United States. With 91,000 miles, but do you see what happened there? Click on that. The dude went back at some point and got nine F plates to make it look like a brand new car.

And you can't tell the difference. I doubt that's his strategy. But it would work. It would work. For you. For you, yes. Go to click on lowest price. I'm trying to tuck my wife into one of these.

I think they're. I wouldn't get a new one. Last gen's, 60200. 17 for that one? Yep. The 15 range. I mean, do you want to look at, I could buy one of these for less than I lost on they are not.

That's a great point. you know what? I think for your math, that means you, that means you gain. It's a free car. That means you get. Right. I will know. You already own a car in this class that you own. Yeah, the Kyan. Yeah. It's got a V8 too. Okay. We can do one more or two more if we go quick.

From Steve Struss, this is for you, Filippo. What's the deal with the updated logo? Just to refresh, as a brand or graphic designer, I'd love to know. So if you go on cars and bits, our font has changed. What happened? Yeah, we wanted to, it's been five years. Five years. Since we launched cars and bids. Since we launched cars and a half.

Five and a half. We wanted to update things a little bit, and we felt like that better reflected our brand. There's a bunch of other small changes you may have noticed. Nick, I want to understand. That version of Seraph really vibes with Philippa. It better reflected our brand. The previous font was a, it didn't represent the values that we hold dear.

Okay. It's like when a new generation of car comes out, you can suddenly say whatever you wanted about the last gen. The old font, no long, we didn't feel like the old font, how do I put this? it wasn't that we hated it. It's just that it didn't represent. It wasn't a reflection of our brand. And so we have severed all ties with that font.

And if that font is still representing on LinkedIn that it works for us, we will send a strongly worded letter to make sure that that is not the case. The better corporate framing is that we loved it. And it was the right logo and font for us at the time. We have matured as a brand. And therefore, the logo needs a lot of maturity around here. We wanted to kind of make a few small updates that we felt kind of. The logo, the car itself, I've heard people allege that it was modeled off of a specific vehicle.

Is that true or false? No. You're talking about the one on the bottom of our mics. Both not true. Show me. Well, that's the old one, right? Or is there a new one? There's a newer version.

It's a little different. No, what we were looking specifically, we wanted a generic car that couldn't be. Yeah. There was some inspiration from Doug's defender at the time. And inspiration is a keyword, right? Like, it looks like a boxy, simple mix of a vehicle. It looks like a multiple. It doesn't look like.

come multi-screen. I think the closest thing, to me, I've always felt the Honda E was like the closest thing. Okay, last question is we have to do this one very quickly. Okay. And we can. Very, very, very quickly, which is good because it's a very, very quickly, wait, what happened to it?

Oh, God. Do you see Honda had a new logo debut, too? Yeah. That did not make the cut for stories. It would have been on your... It would have been doing it already. All right, very, very quickly from Callum BMWNZ. I'm going to answer this in one word,

and Philippo is going to agree with me. Can I, Dear Porsche Pod. Oh. Hey, maybe this is for Spike. Can EVs ever become true enthusiast classics like iconic ice cars, or does the lack of mechanical engagement prevent that from happening? No EVs can never become enthusiast classics. Thank you so much, folks.

Wait, wait, wait, wait. It's been a great podcast. Absolutely appreciate it. Nick, any parting thoughts? Keep going. I can't think of an exception of that. No, you're correct. As you look back...

As you look back on a certain era, wouldn't you say that something like a Goyardo is an enthusiast classic that's not an EV. But my... V-10. V-10, those is the primary feature. But there was a change in that era from manual cars and automatic.

And at the time, you would have said no automatic... I would not have said that. So no automatic could be that. I think time changes things. No, I think there's a big difference between automatic and EV. And I think...

Maybe if not. So far, no EV, to me, has emerged as a car that I think... There have been no good sports TV. The only possible one that could be is the original Tesla Roadster, but I think that's only due to its like seminal position in the car industry and for what Tesla became

rather than like the driving experience or the specialness or the enjoyment of that car. We've got a big tent. Wait, no, I like EVs a ton. The question is, will they become enthusiast, true enthusiast classics? Got a big tent. Okay, you think the Mach E. Doom is going to become, what is that called? Honestly, Rowley is what it actually called. You know where I saw one of those?

Because Sam sent a picture. He saw one for the first time. I also saw one for the first time this weekend. You know where I saw it? Monster Jam. Goodbye, everybody. That's what happens to Monster Jam in San Diego. You get this sort of, they're liberals, but they're also off-roader.

Yep. Goodbye, y'all. Absolute pleasure. Thank you, Nick, for joining us today. Anytime.