THIS CAR POD! with Doug DeMuro & Friends! - BMW M5 Wagon Coming To USA! McLaren Market Floor? Chasing Dream Cars and MORE | EP03

Episode Date: April 5, 2024

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Welcome to this car pod. I'm Kenan. I'm Philippo. And today we're going to talk about cars. Let's do it. Let's start with the news. What do we got? Oh, yes, we have relaunched our Cars and Bids YouTube channel.

This is important car news. It is indeed. With some great new stuff, we just did an office tour, and we have a cyber truck parallel parking challenge that is going live right now. Yeah, it is live at this moment. And Felipe looses. Spoiler alert. And so to you.

Kenan beat me at the challenge is the only challenge I've ever lost before or since. There's going to be a lot of really great new content on the Cars and Bids YouTube channel and I'm really, really, really looking forward to it. We've already recorded a lot of videos and there is fun and awesome.

And people are always talking about how they want me to do some of my content from old, the old days and I did more fun stuff and I'm like in jail with my format. And the new stuff we're doing is gotten me more excited about YouTube than anything I've done in the last I don't know years it's awesome well that's great I hope people enjoy it it's been a lot of fun to make yeah for sure it's been every day I come in and I've been telling my wife like it's

exhausting but it's been so much fun we've been doing game shows and car challenges and car spotting challenges people keep asking for it is fun and exhausting I laid in the office and listen to Enya after everybody left yesterday just like I just like chill out a little so happy with the content we're making and I really think all the people who have been asking for other stuff or more personality or more interesting, quirky, weird content are going to be absolutely thrilled with the stuff that we have coming on the Cars and Bid's channel in the next few months. And Filippo factors heavily into a lot of them, and he loses almost all.

Very frequent things. I mean, an unbelievable degree of Follipo loses. Yeah. Okay. On to actual car news, the BMW M5 touring will be coming to the United States. We already do this. We confirmed this today, though. We all knew, but BMW confirmed it.

So exciting. The RS6 and the E63 success surprised them. And I spoke to be some BMW rep at some event a couple of a year ago. And he told me point blank that he wishes that they had made the decision to bring the M3 touring. And the decision was made after the RS6 then became popular. And they were like, damn, maybe we should have brought that M3 touring. And so they're making up for it with this. Yep, should have.

Anybody could have told them that. But I know. I know. It was a bad decision. Yet another one from BMW. But this is very. exciting. And I think you're on record of saying that you would buy an M3 touring if they'd brought to the U.S.

I will consider buying the regular version. So the question is are they going to bring a non-M-5? Like an I-5. An I-5. Honestly, that's what I want. This is also an electrified vehicle. I think it's a hybrid, fucking hybrid time. I wanted, so I drove the I-5

recently, and I thought it was fantastic. Everybody thinks the new five series is ugly. I completely disagree. You just hate all new cars the moment you see them. And then they're unattractive. He's like, that was a pretty nice-looking car. I personally don't feel it's ugly. It's just like, it's just looks like a car. It depends on whether they're attractive or not.

And the I-5. No, you were one of those people who said the E-60 was ugly when it first came out. Now everybody, oh, you know, no such thing. You were one of those people who thought the cayenne, all these cars were ugly, and then you give them time and they grow on you. And eventually, you know, that was a pretty nice-looking car. But thank you, BMW for bringing a wagon. People, please buy this car.

That's, I just, that's the thing. It's like, if they bring it here, nobody buys it. they go, you see it, all right, nobody likes the wagons. And then that'll be it. You say that, however, the AMG wagon, based on me walking around, I see way more wagons and sedans. I don't know the actual numbers, but I wouldn't be surprised. When the early AMG wagons, it was like a trickle of cars.

Now it's got to be half-half. Audi doesn't even sell us. Outies like, forget all that crap. And values are, they retain their value so much better. It shows interest. Car enthusiasts, the only people buy in these cars. And they all kind of prefer wagons. They want the extra price of it.

By the same token, the last time you saw an F90 M5 just driving around. That's not a common car that I see in. We live in Southern California, which is full of new high-performance cars. I don't see any of those cars. The only one I see with any frequency is the R6 I do see occasionally. I hope we see lots and lots of these. Yeah, we'll see. I mean, it's going to be incredibly expensive, and so I have a suspicion we won't.

But I see R6. I still see R6s with some frequency. Yeah. This will probably be more than an R6, is my guess. Yeah. We'll see. It's going to be more. I mean, it's the next generation of car, and so it's going to be more. The only M5 touring ever offered in the United States.

They didn't offer the E-30. They didn't offer the E-60s. This will be the one. Yeah, too bad it's, we're going to wait until it's plug in hybrid on 150 grand. But it's all right. It's still going to be great. Okay, the next news story, this is actually a couple of weeks old, but I wanted to cover it because it's laughable. Porsche has come out with a Vysok edition of the Tycon, Tycon Turbo GT Vysak Edition.

Are you aware of this car? Yeah. It has a 1,019 horsepower. It costs $230,000, and it has no back seats, despite having back doors. Really? It joins the ranks of the Chevy H-H-H-R-S-S. Yeah. as having back doors but no back seats.

Zero 60 in two seconds. Here's my question to you guys. Will anyone purchase this vehicle? What? In order to get the next Porsche hypercar when they languish on dealer lots, somebody will buy one. What will this be worth in nine months after it's cost 230 at the dealer?

140? Yeah, I was going to say, one. It's a lot of time. It is cool. And they have the very high-tech suspension that they've been touting. It is just, we're at an overkill point here. Here we are. No back seats.

I'm trying hard here to find that. No back seats for a door car is tough sell. Well, the door is open. Do we know? I don't know, but I can't wait to review it for the 11 people who may actually consider purchasing such a vehicle. It's great carrying cargo. Maybe. Exactly what you want out of the VISAC.

Correct. Yeah, exactly. Okay. Laffable vehicle on to the next one. Okay, this is a great Filippo topic. So Polestar obviously has the had the Polestar 1. Now the Polestar 2. They've announced a Pulsar 3, and on this picture, Poulstar 4 and 5, 4 is like a Coupe version of the 3.

So the cars are, each one is basically numbered. By in order of when it came out. They have announced what the Pulse Star 2 replacement will be called. Kenan, you want to guess what it is? What's it called when a star dies again? No, no. Don't worry. They're continuing with the naming scheme.

They're going to, okay. I have no idea. The Pohlstar is 7. The Pohl star 7. That makes sense. smaller than the Pulse Star 6, which they've also announced. The six is probably some sort of S-E-B or something.

That's the thing. So this is the problem. I was thinking about this this morning. Do you think someday they'll get the Poulster 24? It'll be like the iPhone. They're just going to keep going. It's actually kind of cool to do a single digit number. Like, I have a Pulse Star 2. But when you get to like the 14,

the 19, it's like, I don't know what that is. I don't, is that different? What was the 16 again? I don't. This has got to be one the stupidest naming schemes in the history of the automobile. At least Apple has the 10 or 11

Pro Max, which doesn't make that much sense on its own. But this is there's no size element, there's no power element. It's just what order when did it come out? Who does it well? So this is Felipe's question of the day. Which automaker names cars well? I was thinking

about this also, and the answer is none. Yeah. The default car enthusiast answer is, well, the car companies that still use names, which I do generally like. Yeah, you're right. The Buick and Vista, or the Buick and Vision, both exist.

I think BMW does a nice job generally like. Okay job. I mean, yeah, but I know that like, I know that like you know where in the hierarchy, like the car falls based on its number and what size it is. That is true. And so I agree that they do generally better than others. But then they have the two series active tour.

Not related to the other two series. I'm saying generally. BMW lost me a little when they split the three and the four, and then they kind of come in with Grand Coups and GTs, which were different, but sort of the same. That got, and then what BMW really lost me was X7, X-Drive, 50I, X3M Drive, S-drive, 28. I'm overall.

That's, yeah, laughable stuff. Generally, they do a nice job. Mercedes does an okay job, too. I mean, the problem with both of them is that it used to be that Mercedes made too many models of cars. It was like, like, impossible. used to be. I mean, it's been that way for a but BMW didn't at the time.

Yeah. Now BMW makes 100,000 different models that you can't keep track of. Although the naming, the numbering scheme has still stayed relatively intact. Yes, exactly. With a few exceptions, XM has now deviated. The I-X'd doesn't make any sense to me at all. And actually, the real question should be, does any automaker do it well for

their electric cars? No. The answer is absolutely not. It has been universally, which is funny because they had so long to figure this out, Tesla's the only one that does it okay. And that's because they just chose written letters. Like,

it's unbelievable to me that Mercedes-Benz has an EQE and an EQE S-UV. It makes no sense of all. And they call it S-U-V. Right. What? What were you thinking? That BMW has now given the I-X name to one car when we know they're going to come out with 20 different I-X-SUVs.

Yep. All of them. Audi even... What is their electrified, like, X-3? recall because it exists, right? In other markets, they had like an electrified version. I thought so. Is it the IX3? Either way, that's going to be a problem they're going to quickly run into. Yes, Ix3. So there's an I X and an Ix3, which is which no one knows. Audi really screwed up at the start by calling one vehicle the E-Tron. And then they're like, you know, I think we want to call all of them the E-Tron, when in reality they should call none of them the E-Tron because it's a tremendously stupid name. They rename some of them. The QAE-E-Tron makes more sense. They did it now makes sense. Of course. Because the Q8 is smaller than the Q7. Yeah. Well, but that's kind of the norm now.

The X6 is slower on the X5, but it's like cooler. Porsche does a pretty good job. I mean, they make a lot of models and a lot of submodels and lots to keep track of. And they call their electrical turbo, which is, it is. I'm glad they added the 718 before came in in Boxter. It really made sense. Yeah, that was bad. That was a bad idea.

But generally speaking. Naming apparently is harder than we all think. We should have all named our cars after wins like Volkswagen did. You know, Audi doing A4, A6, A8. Boy, that was just easy and... Nice. Yeah. It was nice.

And Mazelotti, by the way, wins. Oh, really? Yeah. Grand Sorosmo famously a wind. Okay. Give us our next... Give us our next new story. Forerunner, we've gotten a new

forerunner teaser image. This looks less new than I expected. This could be a current TRD Pro 4-4-unner after market tailets. What they're going to do with the forerunner, which is they are going to try to slot it in. Oh, by the way, the teaser image shows the forerner with the rear window. Yeah.

They teased it last week, and we weren't sure. sure, what's it going to be? Is there going to have a rear window that drops? Well, now we know, yes, it will. But this answers the question that we were asking last week, where are they going to position the forerunner? It is not going to be an open-top wrangler. No, you were quite wrong. Well, I was just hoping. They should have followed your life.

They should have done that. Instead, they're going to actually, so the land cruiser starts at 57. Yeah. They're going to start in the 40s, 30s? They're going to start this in probably right around 40. And like a TRD Pro maybe gets up to like entry Land Cruiser, whatever, 1962 edition. So the TRD Pro is going to fight Land Cruiser. Land Cruiser

TRD Pro, which is not out yet but an inevitability, is going to fight GX. Yep. GX already fights Sequoia, and the Toyota lineup has a lot of weird How many SUVs do they have now? They got nine SUVs,

not counting the CHR, which I think is no longer I think it's dead. Thank you. Name three of them. Name any that aren't the off-road one. Don't care, and I'm not going to. That's what I thought. I don't need to go off-road.

I have other people. I have friends. offered vehicles, so. Here's an interesting thing. This looks identical to an existing forerner. It's not going to look identical in practice. I think that's true. And it has a redesigned interior,

which has not been true of a forerunner in 15 years. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, the other thing that we're seeing here is that there's a massive screen. So this is the general Toyota entertainment. Which is what the Sequoia has. Yeah, but it's better than what they currently have in the forerunner, which is. So is literally anything. Which is a four buttons in a cassette.

four buttons in a cassette player. Do they have a color dash yet? It's been a while since I've been in a forerunner, but I do know that it still has halogen running lights. It is the last car. Now, Doug is going to a Toyota Press launch the next couple days. Yes.

They told him a while ago that there would be a secret vehicle. A secret vehicle, which of course was immediately clear that it would be the four-runner. And in fact, will be the four-runner. So you will get to see this car. I'm going to see it on Saturday. But I think I'm sworn into secrecy or something. I haven't checked all the embargo dates.

But I haven't seen it yet, so I can't be viable. violating anything. And they haven't even confirmed that it's the forer but it's the forer. Maybe they'll come out with a Wrangler competitor too.

They should. They should be a convertible. Toyota should play in that space. Why not? Bronco is out there killing it. They are killing it. That's true. Who else is playing in that space?

Well, I was thinking convertible like a real automatic top G-Cab competitor. The Mercedes G-WA again. Okay, give us our next new story, please. Ah, we're back to Fisker.

We've done three podcasts. We've covered Fisker needs one because each week the story gets worse. Tell us the latest. Yeah, they have had something like 9,000 people that had put down a refundable deposit for an ocean that have asked for that money back. 40,000. Which total something, what, $9,000? So they owe these people $9 million.

The problem with that, of course, being they don't have $9 million. They don't even have $9,000. And they, there was an, we talked about last week, there was an audit that said they weren't great at record keeping. So this is going to be an interesting challenge for those. people clapping. Well, they're not clapping now. They were all hoping to not be the first laid off. None of these people work for this company anymore.

They just were around and near whatever facility. No, no, they worked for the company at the time. But that guy, he saw, he saw early on. He was at, he's at Volvo now. That person, he's like, no, I'm done with this. He moved on to Nissan. This guy wanted to stand behind the latticework, so he couldn't be associated with what was going on here.

He didn't want people to know. Yeah, that's right. I think it's worth saying. I think that Fisker's goal was that they could get rid of. of all their 2023 inventory. Here is a... They will not be able to. You don't think even with the price cuts, they will? They had a bunch of reservation holders.

I don't know if they were going to honor the lower price for reservation holders. No idea. But like basically showing, even people that had expressed interest in the car no longer are. Right. For good reason. Here's a question for you. Last year, I spent $50,000 servicing my career GT. Who spent more money?

Me or someone who bought a standard Fisker Ocean and has lost... Appreciation of close already. But really? Yeah. Edmonds has one that they bought for 65K. They went to CarMax and CarMax offered them 21, right? So that's a $43,000 loss in like an afternoon. Yep.

Yep. Wow. But Fisker Oceans, if you're willing to deal with it maybe being bricked in your garage, because there will be no parts availability and there will be nobody to repair it. It would have been better to take that money to a casino, honestly. If you lost it, at least you weren't stuck with a brick. Yeah, by the way, maybe reliability is great. Maybe somebody will buy a fiscar for 20 grand and drive it for years.

Carmas are still running around. It helps them. They had another, you know, engine. They had a GM power train, but there's a lot of bespoke stuff in that car. I mean, it didn't look like a Chevy Cobalt, even though it had a Chevy Cobalt power train. It had a solar panel. I'm just bummed out that this didn't work. I know.

The California mode is so cool, and maybe it's so well. Who knows? It's pretty cool. I still maintain, I drove it, and I liked it, and I've, really enjoyed it. And the one we had was not really all that glitchy. There were a couple little issues, nothing more than I'm used to from running other EVs. But there were some endemic problems. What I'm also blown away repeatedly by Fisker, the company has no factory or dealerships. And they still ran out of money. This is hard to do. It's really hard to start

a company. As crazy as Elon is, it makes you appreciate how they did it. Definitely. Okay. What else do we get? We got more news? That's all. That's the end of the news segment. Those are all the automotive things. Yes. We move now on to the market report. The trends in the market, Ken and tell us what's happening. Yes, so BMW 1M values are still strong. We just recently sold this one.

It was beautiful. 16,000 miles in black. You know, one of the three colors. I think it was white, orange, and black. We have the three colors you could get this car in. And nice photographs, too, for this car in general. But 71 grand for a car with 16,000 miles. What's amazing to me is, you know, this car was replaced by the M2.

there's another new M2 out, and these cars are still holding their value, despite having a non-MBMW engine and being a parts-pins special. I think they're really cool. They have all the right parts from the parts-spin special. And, you know, manual-only. It's just fascinating to me that they've held their value.

Yeah, I'm surprised about that, too. The M-2 came out and was basically the same thing, just made in larger numbers. But then they did an M-2-CS and an M-2 competition. So there are special versions of the M-2 also, but it never had any effect on 1M. The other weird thing about 1-M is. is, you know, it's only rare in the U.S.

because of some changing reg. They were pretty common in Europe. So in 15, they're 15 years old, in 10 years, will they still hold their value as well? Probably. Yeah, probably, yeah. It's just such a special car. To be there, M2CS also seems to be holding value.

Yeah, it does. That's right. So it's not a one or the other here. But it is interesting to me. I totally agree with you. I'm stunned by this. And I got to tell you, I loved this car. This was on my all-time dream car, is the 1M. When the M2 came out, it was like,

this is actually a little bit better. like it drives a little better it's a little more modern but this is a great example of like the rarity factor and the special factor keeping the values strong definitely and I'm happy to see it I love these cars and you know I'm always happy when one comes through cars and bits the parts beenness

of them kind of makes them more desirable almost like it shouldn't have been made you know those mirrors those E9X M3 mirrors is that what that was I didn't realize that yeah those are right from the M3 I mean competition wheels obviously and then they kind of took this inspiration from the M3 as well

And the power train was from what? It was the N54 straight 6, so that was in a lot of common BMWs at the time. 335, yeah. And it's a generally beloved engine. You know, it has its issues, like all BMW engines, but it still is like a very stout power plant for this car. People have done V8 swaps on this car as well with the E90 M3s. No way. Yeah, S-65 V8, and those are awesome, awesome little cars.

I mean, had BMW done that from the factory, I don't imagine. But it is such a special car just in stock form. I am surprised the values are still so high. I was always hoping they would come down. I thought like... It initially looked like they would. It initially looked like they were... And higher mileage ones that started to get cheaper,

but this car does prove that you can still get a ton of money for a nice one, and the market doesn't seem to care that the car was replaced and that replacements are easy to find. To be fair, does there a BMW, I think, is just kind of solidified and enthusiast mind, especially 30, 40-year-old enthusiast that, like, This is the end of an era for BMW? It was a great time. Yes, it really was.

Although I still think that the M2 is a fantastic car, even today. It is a great car. Although the current M2 is also the size of an Ethernet and M5. It's big and it's heinous, but like it's still a fun, fast, driveable, stick shift, rewold. Like, it's still a great car. I don't think it's heinous personally. I don't think that either, but the general consensus is that it's just big. People like him think it's just large.

Just give it time. Just like the 60. I think it looks good. To be clear, it just large. It is big, but it still drives relatively small compared to other new cars. The new M5, I don't know if you notice, new M5 is the size of a super yacht currently. So the M2 coming into the size of M5 is actually a pretty good situation. Okay, our other market report to report on is the McLaren MP412C.

We sold this one, yeah, we sold this one yesterday or the day before, I don't know when. I don't even know when you're going to be listening to this. for 81,000 United States dollars. 46,000 miles. 46,000 miles. What are these cars, is that like normal? I'm curious because, is there, this is an exotic car?

Like, does this floor anywhere? Is this a 40 car in a couple years, or is this kind of the end? I don't know. I mean, they are notorious for being difficult to take care of. Later, McLaren, and that sort of gave McLaren a stigma

for a long time, they're still working against. I think modern McLaren's are much, much better. but you know as Tyler Hoover will tell you with his transmission problems he had with his and like all of the problems he had with his there's a reason they're so inexpensive I think but they are still an exotic car it's still a very exotic car and there are a lot more specialists now that do deal and focus on these cars specifically does the market treat this like in a spree where it does keep going down and maybe has a resurgence someday or does the market treat it like a gyarta which kind of hit a floor and never really I suspect the latter I mean they did make a significant number of these So I think probably the latter. And they're faster. They hit a floor or they don't hit a floor? They hit a floor and kind of stay there, I think.

I don't know. I'm curious to see what will happen. They are getting to be pretty old, and so you'd think if they were going to continue to drop significantly, they probably would have dropped more than they have now. A 50K McLaren is probably not going to happen. It's too fast. Yeah, it's too much performance.

It's too cool. Yeah, it's too exotic. The brand is, even though McLaren is not the brand that Ferrari or Lamborghini is, it's still a really desirable brand. Yeah. Yeah. Filippo, how do you open the door in this card? Do you know?

I assume they're the button. No. No, you are wrong. You got to get one of these in the office and do a Filippo door open. Can I have a hint? You would, if I parked one in front of you and paid you a million dollars to get inside, you would not. The other thing is that even if you tell him how to do it, it's like the chance that it works. That's pretty low.

That was the problem that I had. That was the problem that I had. He might actually do it, but it may not work. accidentally and then it actually doesn't work anyway and so it's a pretty good chance you have to swipe your this this thing comes out like six inches from the from the air intake

and you swipe your hand underneath it and as long as you swipe at the exact right spot the door pops and then you lift it up wow is there like an emergency open on the outside I don't think there's any emergency that would necessitate you getting into your McLaren olgan I'm on fire I got to get into my McLaren

There's a tornado coming. I got it out of here. No, but then you'd want to leave the car for the insurance money. Yes, you absolutely would. Declared value $120,000. Yep, but pretty wild that you can get one of those for $80,000. It is pretty wild that you can get one for $80, but I don't know. I honestly kind of was thinking that they would keep going down and down because of their reliability reputation.

And that did not happen like I expected it to. So if they're in the 80s, they're in the 80s. They're in the 80s. That's where they are. That's what an MP4 cost. What is a 2012? What is the Ferrari equivalent to $458? What is that?

Double. Oh, more. Yeah, eat more than that. Maybe miles wise, probably, yeah,

about the same 160. Double. What does it? Type that in 4, 5, 8. Oh, Ferrari, too, huh?

Okay. 167. Oh, 167. All right, all right. 20 miles at that.

So they're double. Double. 36,000 miles on that car, too. And I would pay double to have a 458. Yeah. Yeah,

look at that one, Grievous. Yeah. It's pretty though. I know it's prettier, but the McLaren is probably just as fast.

Yeah. Yeah, this is better. It's amazing to consider Ferrari and be like that's the more reliable. To be fair to the McLaren, though, the 458 is going to go down in history as like one of the great Ferrari. And the MP412C will not. It's a cool car, but it doesn't look like the more modern McLaren's. Also, what's the cheapest kind of modern McLaren you can get?

That would be the MP412C. After that. It's for $81,000. And you can slide your hand under the top. After that point. What's the next cheapest? 570s. 650s came out next.

I bet 650s are cheaper than 570s. It's just because of model year. But maybe not. I don't know. Probably. They're probably in the low hundreds. Right. So like, yeah.

Still, this car is 4-5-8 is just told you so long. What's the opposite of a rising tide lifts all both? What's the opposite? Well, that's the thing about McLaren. It's tide may never rise. Of course, people said that about Lambo for years and now, right. People are paying $6. And his free V8s are with money now.

Yep. You know, so. Eventually, it becomes cool and desirable. Okay, so that is our market report for the day. We now move on to talking about cars. Who wants to start? I'll start. Okay.

So I've had kind of an interesting week. We all went to breakfast last week. It was rainy, and there was a lot of thought. We were just generally thinking, occupying our time. We had time to think. Time to think. And I have been thinking a lot about the cars I want. As I mentioned, an Aston-Martin v. Advantage, 4.3 manual roadster is what I

would like. They are rare as hen's teeth, as it turns out. Every single car of those, it seems, came with Sport Shift, which... Or the coop. Yeah, coops are around, and I may acquiesce and that might be my consolation prize at some point, but I'm not giving up yet. But we have a better idea. But we have other... So it opened me up to other ideas. And one of the ones that came up was

first-generation Dodge Viper, which is not a very me car on the surface. Deeply not Kennan. No, the least Canon car magical. Kenan driving around on a Viper? No. C-5 is... is less than less me than that car, I think. He is a Midwestern guy, though, you know. I loved, I had a Gen 2. I loved it.

You wanted Gen 1, which is, uh, even less. Yes. It is wild. Legitimate of a car. Which makes it cool. No, I think it's more legitimate. Side pipes, baby. Um, I think the other thing, what I like about that car and, you know, it's got,

all right, Felipe, though. Uh, I think that car, uh, what I love about it is, I've always loved. I grew up with one, a friend of mine had one, a friend of my dad, Dad's had one growing up, so I saw it all the time and just thought they were really cool. But also, I think that would be a fun... Well, even then, it was like he so seldom drove the car. They had had 12,000 miles on it. Then it was probably 15,000 miles on it now, and that was 05.

So it's like... Still got it. Yeah, it still has it. And you know what? Back then it was worth 31. Today, it's worth 34. Right. But that's one of the cool things about it.

It's a fairly affordable entry point. Yeah, and it's definitely the most iconic car on its price range. are a real question about that. If I saw that in a VA Advantage, I've been... The advantage wouldn't even register. No, you know. You'd be very excited to see if three spoke, red, red, no roof, zipper windows.

Any color, actually. No, we won't red. No, red's the color. Black is acceptable. No, we won't red. I won't red. Blank is great, but they are green. Really?

That's an unfortunate. Then there's, of course, the red and the red and yellow interior one. There was a red one with yellow wheels. There was a red one with yellow wheels that they called the ketchup and mustard. Now, that was a second gen. Didn't Hulk Hogan have one of those, I believe? Some memory serves me. I think he had one. Wouldn't surprise me. It's his kind

of color combination. They also did. The one I had was a 97 blue-white GTS, but you said he won a convertible specifically. And I agree with that. This would be a car, to be clear, this is not a lifer. I would have this car for nine months. But having that experience for nine months and you wouldn't lose anything. Mine, the only problems with it were fixed by a Chrysler

like for no money. It was like so cheap. I replaced a radiator for like $440 or something. In an exotic car. Name another car that turns heads like that where the radiator's 400 and 40. You know, it was wild. Right. And it's, for that, you can sell it and buy it at the same number, basically. You're just, Montana, and you're all good.

Yeah, and I don't know, I just think they're kind of cool. So, but again, one hasn't really popped up recently. It's, like, close, so. So all we got to do is get a viper on the site, and you'll buy it. No reserve. An early viper. We've hosted a few. Yeah, we've had a few.

We've had a few Aston's. Yeah. Kennan is anything, whatever happens first. I just want something. But it's the same, it's like, yeah, I just want something. Like, I just, I love the M-5. and that's my wonderful daily driver. But I would love a sports car of some kind,

some cool second experience. Coming into the summer. Because everything pairs well with the M5 because it's so good at being what it is. And so you can pair almost anything with that. Right. And the Viper is a different experience. Right.

Very different. You know which car you want to take. Right. Yeah, it's a very conscious decision I'm making I'm driving the Viper this morning to cars and coffee. Right. I'm driving at home,

so I don't have to sit in traffic. Right. Putting it away. Right. But there's something to that. I mean, that's what you do with the Kuntosh. It drives okay, but for the money, I think. And I just think it's cool to have different experiences.

We were talking about this. I think that it's neat. I had this, I just bought my 37th car in my lifetime, and it's just cool to have had, I had an M3, I had a GTI, I had a, you know, all of that stuff so that you can have those conversations and really understand. And I've only had BMWs and one Ferrari. Right.

So I, you need it pretty good. It's like to branch out into a Dodge. One B. three. Exactly. I mean, again, if it, the car really, the car really, really want the end is the Voxter Spider, but I just don't want to spend $100,000 on the car right now. It's just like, not the right call.

Yeah, I think that's reasonable. And I think the Vipers are a different experience. The Viper will kick in the face about as much for a third of the money. And obviously, a Boxter Spider would be a cool long-term thing, but the Vipers pretty cool. The boxer spider will be a long-term car when I get one. But yeah, but not the Viper. I fully support this over the advantage. On the subject of our vehicles.

Yeah. I have just purchased a car that Felipeo. and Kennan have incessantly made fun of me for. This is your 37. I've mentioned it a little bit here and there, but I bought a Toyota Sequoia TRD Pro. I have a video announcing it in a couple days, but you're hearing it here first.

An exclusive on the podcast, or maybe last week came. Who knows? And in various other Instagram posts and that kind of thing. Now, I'm going to tell you the genesis of the Sequoia TRD Pro. That's a great story. The Toyota.

They're cute. Here's what happened. I decided, I had this long, complicated list of things that I needed from my car, and really the Sequoia was like the only one that fit. It certainly wasn't. When you make a list that's so specific that only one vehicle can fit it, well, there you go.

What basically happened was I looked at the full side. The Sequoia is generally agreed to be the fourth, of the five full-size SUV is the fourth best. And so I know the other three. The three best ones, the Tahoe, the Expedition, the Armada's the fifth. Maybe the Grand Waggonier. I don't remember what I was counting.

Sequoia is the fourth best. Okay, it's not, it has some issues. Rough for Toyota when the expedition came out 13 years ago. A while ago, yeah, yeah. So, but I got the fourth best, and I'm proud to be in the top 80% of the full-size-sacier range. So, Sequoia is an incredibly high-demand, Tarty Pro specifically. And I really wanted one. Stunningly high demand, by the way. So what happened was, we, new ones are not available.

And so I said to Felipeo here, yeah, I'm going to tell this story. It's a great story. I said to Filippo and said, listen, Filippo loves, like, buying cars, negotiating car deals, like seeing what deals are in the market. I said to Filippo, listen, I want you to find me one of these things and then negotiate the deal and all about. And Filippo was like, yeah, like this sounds like fun. I think I was offered money.

I've not been paid money. Well, let me tell you why you weren't paid. So Filippa, we go back and forth and I decide in the end, I want a white one with no roof rack. There's only two options. With a black interior, which limits options further because there's a red interior. I would have taken a red interior. I would take a red interior. But I want to wait.

Okay, so here's that up. So then we look on auto trade and we're all around and we're all around and Filippo finds one in Ohio. I find two for the record. But he finds one in Ohio that's Near to where I grew up. Right. I was thinking,

my parents would go pick it up. So you can't get one of these at sticker and they're all over sticker. Used ones, if you're lucky, used ones are at sticker. If you're lucky. So I tell Filippo, you know, here's the car,

let's negotiate it. So Filippo calls the dealers, the Toyota dealership in Ohio, and he spends the whole day, they're asking 825 or whatever it was. He spends the whole day negotiating back and forth at the one of the tornadoes, back and forth,

and at the end of the day, he negotiates them down to 80 to 5. Right. So he gets them right down to their asking price. And I'm like,

all right, look, I'm just going to do it. In the end, he was like begging them to get $500 off. It turns out

when there's two for sale in the country, it's a hard negotiating position. So I said, Philippo, stop negotiating, I'll just buy the car. So I said to them,

the dealer, I said, I'll buy it. And they said, great. And then the next morning, they called and said, we sold it to someone local. And I was like,

this is becoming a job that I don't want. So I called Toyota PR, which I never do. I never invoke my privilege. And I said to him, I said, I don't even want a discount. I don't, I'm not looking for something. I just want what, can you find a car somewhere? And they email me back and they said, no. We actually can't. They're all spoken for it.

It doesn't exist. It was like, all right. It's a five doesn't look like such a bad deal. So, in the end, after more searching, Toyota did find me one white Sequoia Tierney Pro that was inbound to a Toyota in Southern California that was not already spoken for and the Toyota dealership gave me

the privilege of purchasing it for the sticker price. With a couple of add-ons including door edge guards. But I decided I wasn't going to push my luck and try to get those removed. So they got a little extra margin out of me, but I'm thrilled to just have this vehicle and it's camouflage seats. Kenan, would you tell us your

opinion of the Sequoia? It's tasteless and heinous. It's charmless. Yeah, the camo Fender flares are just embarrassing And, you know, this car is eventually going to go This will be, you'll take this to the East Coast for the summer

It'll live out there so you can take all the stuff You need and noodle, of course, too And it'll be good for that And then you'll get there and have to park this thing in front of your Incredibly charming house and there's There's just big DRD pro Like it's just, it's so Gairish and like I get that it's the vehicle you need for your purposes

But like, geez but have you seen the camouflage seats? Yeah. Yeah, I would rather have not seen them. Yeah, I mean, they're pretty bad. It's a heinous thing. It's not good. It's not tasteful.

I actually have really grown to like the extra styling. I think it's a nice looking. It's got a nice, big bar on the front. It has a light bar. It has yellow marker lights. I don't even know if you've been in it yet, but do you know that the word Toyota is spelled out in massive lettering on the dashboard? Like, it's this big. And it says at least, it might be even bigger.

It says Toyota in massive letter on the passenger side of the deck. It's wild. One of the options, which I didn't get. Oh, well, because you didn't have a choice. Was a locking gun safe. That is offered by Toyota. And when we were looking for them, almost all of them were in Texas. Yeah.

And they had it. And almost all of them had the locking gun safe. And I bought this car, and one of my buddies was like, this is the least, you are the least Sequoia Tarty Pro owner that exists. I was like, yeah. So this is where you're going to drive to the Toyota Press launch, whether you'll be announcing their other off-roaders? No, I'm going to drive the career.

Oh, okay. You don't want to be the big dog of the Toyota release, though? Oh, yeah, I could show up and be like, yeah, and they'd be like, is this one of ours? Right. How many miles are out now? You got it a couple weeks ago? I've had it a month, and I have put up until yesterday, three days ago,

I put 48 miles. Wow. Oh, you really don't drive this thing. No, but, dude, at this pace, I was going to do 500 miles. miles a year. And let me tell you something, in 20 years, this was going to be the TRD Pro Sequoia to have. That's right. But I drove it up to Valley Center yesterday. And so I put 100 miles on it. I would like it. Yeah. Kill in the Valley. It's perfect for what I need. It is great. It has good tech. Great camera. Good self-driving stuff. Great self-driving. Horrible ride. The ride quality is poor.

Aggressive styling. Aggressive styling. And chemo. I might bronze the wheels. Oh, that'll be the cherry on top. it's better than black wheels i guess on that car but like i mean oh god i was so embarrassed on my behalf what would you have bought honey bunch it's not that i just well that's the problem there's there wasn't a silver that would silvered the wheels that would be well okay should i do that that'll help that'll help a little bit no nothing will help i'll silver the wheels for you and i would

also like have the have our friend kevin at elite finish redo the no come Get rid of the gamo. It's part of, you want the car to blend it as a giant white. It'll definitely do that on Nantucket. It is, it is a little embarrassing, but I think you overestimate how embarrassing it is. Whenever I get, like, am anywhere near, I park far away from it, because I don't want to, like, be associated with the vehicle. It's a hybrid. It's a fuel efficient.

Guess what, guess what mileage I'm getting after 160? 12. Yeah, 12. Yeah. It's doing great. Okay. Kenon, move us on to our next car talk. So I have a concern.

So recently we played a game with Tyler Hoover where we went back and looked at magazines DuPonts that showed like car values from the late 1990s. Coming soon to the Carson Beds Channel. Yes, very excited. And it's always fun to do that. But it got me thinking. I was looking at some of those cars and it's like, think about how expensive they are now and I'm like, if the goalpost moved, I mean, 1998

was a long time ago, but the goal post has moved a ton. Yeah. You know, Kuntas were 100 grand. Now they're half a million for, you know, depending on the model, of course. But. For like the medium desirable ones. They're moving and they're still moving. And so like one wonders is like, you know, these goal post cars I had like I dreamt of.

And I got to own one of them, the 355, but like it keeps getting further away. And the cars I really like and I'm really interested in, they keep getting more expensive. And so I really wonder it's like, do think just keep exponentially going up? Do they eventually plateau? I don't think they're ever going to come necessarily back down again. I just don't know. And it got me like kind of concerned. And also like, we like to think that, like, if you go back the 1990s and you had money, you could have bought all those cars.

But very few people ever did at the time. But I think it's like you could be, I think you could say that about any time. It's like now you look back 15 years from now and be like, oh, I couldn't have afforded not to buy X car. And it's like, I wonder. It's an interesting question. I think about it a lot. You know, F40 values have slingshot it. They went up initially to like a million bucks when Enzo died.

and they were really in demand and then they kind of went back down but I just agree with you I have a sense that they're not coming down again there's too many people with too much money who now view cars as like investment grade collectibles

diversification asset especially cars from that era yeah and I mean I had the same thought about career GT for a long time I you know I liked the car when it was $250,000 and then I just chased it and chased it and chased it and boy would have been nice to buy back then. I wonder about that.

Is the stuff that we idolize getting just increasingly further out of reach and will never be viable? It's kind of a... F-50's gone. I mean, it's never going to happen. Yep, exactly. So it is kind of a sobering thought. F-40 was always a really good example because you thought maybe one day.

When they were 900 grand, you thought to yourself, look, if I really go crazy, if I get really like, et cetera, et cetera, like it is a possibility. At two and a half... Yep. yeah it's not seeming yeah not seeming like a possibility anymore

um but on that list for you kind of like not just that you think are cool but that you actually wish you could own or like dreamt of owning because it's a different question yeah there were a couple like I always wanted a 250 loose so I just think those cars are amazing they're like four million I think I mean that car when that car I know a guy in Ohio

who hasn't been cheap in a while 5 I think oh six bought that car for around 100 120 and now the car is, you know, so that's a good example. I think that, I mean, for me, it's a lot of Ferraris, basically. Daytona's on that list, too.

And, like, I think Daytona's kind of plateau, but, like, cars just, like, is there a lesson in here that we should... I mean, I'm constantly struck by, we have this guy at Cars and Coffee named Bill who has all of these cars, 288 GTO, and F50, and the 300, and he told us one time,

he bought his F40 for 250, he bought his career GT for 300. He bought him back when no one to what they were. Is there a lesson in here that we should try to figure out what those cars are now? Well, I have thought about that because you have posed before where you have

said, like, how do you know a car is special in periods? Like, how do you know it's going to do that? Because there are cars that, like, you know, people would make a hundred grand on like a McLaren F1 and thought they crushed it. Right. And like now the car, you know, that car not only outperform the S&P, that car outperformed any, almost any investment you could have made. So,

is difficult. So I have begun to think about cars that are like that. I put the Boxer Spider on that list, the 9-8-1, specifically for a number of nuanced reasons. But I think there are cars like that, but the question is, what are they? So I think that's one. The drawback to that line of thinking, though, is at that

point you're chasing the investment grade and the value, and not the car you actually want. And that's the sad part. That's the thing. But also, by the same token, buy the cars you like, and then if they go up or down, it's kind of a trade, if it goes down. I mean, there are cars, I sit here and think, mercies are going to go up. I think Diablo's

six those are super undervalued. I think there's a lot of stuff actually that I can think of that I could 550. I think the 550 is someday going to be worth $6,000, $700,000. Yeah, that's on my list. But I want an 40. I could do that and it would succeed probably, but like doesn't change the point that you initially

made, unfortunately, which is that like the goalposts are getting further. These cars are getting further out of reach. And it's not going to be ever changing, I suspect. I agree. Especially just the death of the internal combustion engine and things like that. 80s, 90s, 90s, and the autom, there has become a stronger appreciation for cars as an investment in the last 10 years. And I think that specifically has really had a big effect on pushing this even further out of reach.

Yeah. Yeah. So it's kind of a sobering thought. Yeah. We may know. When you can. That's right. And maybe stretch for it because you may not have a chance again.

Or lower your aspirations. We should just do it now. I don't think that that goes up in the short term. I think you have time. I think you have time on that. But I would have probably said that about... I think I've got two years, maybe, two or three years before it starts to go up in value. Because the current one is not reliable.

The engine that have problems. The previous one will slow and have the very fiddly roof. But it's not that old of a car. It's still new. I mean, it's still a used car right now. You do make one point about that is the one really big... The car came out eight years ago. The one really big question mark is they claim the next box is going to be fully electric.

So we don't know how the market is going to handle. this transition to electric. And there is a chance that some gas, that things will be, the market will respond in a way that we haven't seen yet. And it may cars that are newer than we think may shoot up in value more. Who the hell? I mean, I don't know.

That's kind of what, I have a feeling that might be what happens, but we'll see. Hellcats. Hell kitty. At 30K1, maybe you'll sell up for 35. Fleeper, do you have any automotive things to discuss? Sure. Yeah, I got one. Big topic. I have a friend. I have a friend, And they're a couple of their names for Julian Tristan.

Hi, Julian Tristan. Whose Pontiac vibe that they've owned for 15 years died recently. It got too rusty. And I'm helping them think about what cars they could replace it with. There's a lot. Literally every single car would be a good fit for them. But the other day, they sent me a listing for a different Pontiac vibe that had a hundred-something dozen miles. And it cost three grand and said, should we just buy this?

Because they love their vibe. Right. expand your horizons. I said no immediately. Do they have children? No, they don't show them. Safety is a big... There was a second...

For a ton of reasons, it's a bad choice. But it got me thinking, would you re-buy your car? So, like, let's say something happened to any of your car or to your E3 and 5. Obviously. Would you re-buy that same car or would you buy something different? I would... I love my cars. I have an 8350 wagon and S-212 and if you have 100 bars.

Love them both. Something falls on that car. It's gone. I'm replacing. something different. You've been talking about getting another, you've been like looking at Xc90s. Like, you're always been true. Oh, deeply. Sometimes I park. You're saying you wouldn't

replace it at the same car. Of course not. Sometimes I park at a corner. You would use that as an opportunity. Right. Sometimes I park at all. People are when I lived in Baltimore, there were certain corners where people frequently ran at the park cars. Sometimes I parked there. I have chosen my six cars with an unbelievable

precision and I would incredibly replace them with the exact same car. There is no doubt in my mind that every one of them for gt i would probably do a color swap but other than that yes they would all be replaced with the exact somebody hit totals out your career gt you got milling two in your bank account you're buying another career gt absolutely really in that color really the one i'd try to find one of a higher mile you announced the other day that uh you were selling your wife's car and i think you said what it was which will a v60 had that car had a tree fall on it

which have gone that's that's the point i'm making though i have now whittled my car group down into the ones I really want. Interesting. Which is Kuntash 4GT, KereurrGT, Camo Fender Toyota Sequoia. And an E-ClassWagon. Those are the... So close. Those are the cars.

You would replace them all. I would. And he says the same thing because... Of course, I've always planned on having an E3-9M-5 in my garage. If something happened, God forbid something happened to that one, which I really hope. We do not use this as an excuse. I would 100% use an excuse to get something different. There was a truly zero-d-d-mined.

when I felt that way. But now I really, I've specifically gone after what I really want. Philippa, the difference is you use cars. Like, you just,

I, like, want to acquire, like, cars to fulfill needs. I have no emotional bond to any of it ever, exactly. I don't have much more emotional bond. But I,

I do have specific desires for the cars, and they all fit those desires. I don't think any of them would do better. My E-Class wagon fits that need. The FF hundred Barth fits that need perfectly. Yeah.

But doesn't mean that I wouldn't replace it. I wouldn't try something different. I think, I think I've maximized. I think that all of these cars are the best for their purpose. Literally the best. That exists.

Certainly, that exists for me. You wouldn't my opinion? Just something else is a shot? No. What else? What do I get at? MP412C? For 81?

You get so many of them. No. That's not going to happen. These are the cars. This is it. Interesting. For me. And for him.

Something. At 40 would be nice. Tragic happened in the office. It's not nice. You wouldn't be able to get another one. First of all. You lose all three cars. You lose all three cars.

Yeah. Wow. I'd go on a long search for the same three cars. I think it would be really hard to replace the Kuntash because it's a round belly or, I mean, it's a very special car. I would consider a Diablo SE30 instead. But I would like to, if I've lost those three cars, I'd get a white Ford GT. I'd get a higher mile of career GT and I'd get a SE30 Diablo or another Kuntash again, but that's it. Fascinating.

And he would get a silver ether and a 5. Yep. Maybe he would probably with 230,000. Oh, well, what color would you get? In blue and black? No, no, I love Imola, but no, either. Avis Blue is my favorite color. My friend Luke's is Avis, and man, that's beautiful.

That, I love Avis or Lamont Blue or Anthracite or Amola. Can I make a suggestion? Can I make a suggestion? Go to the paint shop. Can you imagine? No. Okay, last section of the podcast today. We are going to take Q&A.

Q&A. Now, remember, you can submit questions to us on Cars and Bids.com. You click on the community tab. And every week we have a post, and you can submit questions. And we will answer some of the highest rated questions. I am going to try to choose all of the highest rated questions, but sometimes they are stupid. But I am going to try to choose most of the highest rated questions or as many as I can. So we will answer today's questions.

Starting with from Cars 620, why did you take down all the more Doug videos? I got to be honest, I didn't know this occurred. The more Doug videos are gone. Someone advised us that that was a better decision for some reason about YouTube with the algorithm or something. I don't know. It happened without my knowledge. It has happened. They're unlisted. They still exist. So we couldn't put them back up. But before you go angrily telling me that we took down the videos, watch the videos that we are coming up with. I think that they will fulfill the same niche before we just public, republish all the old videos again and screw everything up. Including the review of the month of CX30. Yeah, some of the videos were kind of trash. You didn't watch that CX30? Of course I did. I didn't.

Have I watched any of the other recent videos? All of the Cars and Bids videos that we are shooting now are better than all of the videos that used to be on the Mordraig channel. I promise you. They are all more fun. They're all more exciting, and it's going to be great. So watch those and then see if you still have that question. Next question from Noodle the Dog.

Oh, noodle the dog. Noodle My Dog has asked us a question. When did you learn how to type? For 47, God, can you imagine noodle typing? So slow. $47,190. Would you rather have a Nissan Marano Cross Cabriolet, a BMW, a manatee, a train or a rural congressional seat.

There's no doubt in my mind. Real congressional seat. 100%. Same. A manatee would be cool. Yeah, but you've got to take care of it. But what we've learned from some real congressional seat holders that they don't really care.

Oh, man, I know. If I could buy a rural congressional seat for 47. That was a great joke at the time, and it still holds up. This was from a video review I did at the Morano Cross Cabaret years ago, where I said that for the ridiculously high price of a Morano Cross Cabaret, you could buy instead a rural congressional seat. and then Savage Geese did this Morano cross cabriela video

which was fantastic and which has brought the Morano back to the forefront of our lives and so someone has asked this question. You know what is hitting me in this moment? Yesterday here at the Carthamid's Office, we filmed the video that will come on a channel soon that included us in blindfolded driving. Yes. This is reminding me that when you filmed that Marano Cross Cabraceaubilee video,

I forgot about that. I had to sit in the wheel well and move the car forward. In the driver's footwell, yeah. And move the car forward without seeing. where you were going. So maybe I had more practice than I realized. We practiced that a couple times as I recall. Fairmount Park in Philly. What a disastrous situation.

Okay. Disastrous vehicle. You did it great, though, in that, if you watched that video. Thank you. I did. From Fibonacci's series, Hi, Doug, on Cars and Bids, I know you guys have had buyers flake out on buying cars. Have you ever had sellers choosing out to sell their car after the auction ended? So sometimes when an auction ends, the buyer will not follow through with the transaction.

It's very rare. I've sold eight cars on cars and bids. They've all sold to the buyer. it's almost always that's the case. Because we charge this buyer's fee. And so at the end of it, I mean, because people are generally honorable for one thing, but also because, and they've been bidding and they want the car, but also because we charge a buyer's fee.

And so if you bid, if you buy a car for 50 grand, they're out like two grand. If you don't buy the car, you might as well just buy the car. So, but the question is, have we ever had sellers not? The answer is yes, but it's really rare. The thing about sellers is, by the time a seller has put their car on the site, they have taken 200 photographs, filmed three videos, gotten all their service records together. They're invested.

They're pretty invested in selling the damn car. Plus, we have agreed on the reserve with them. And so they kind of know what their floor to expect is. And so it's really, really, really uncommon that sellers don't sell. What has happened at least a couple of times is when they have a car got stolen in the time between the auction ended and the buyer went to pick it up. Really? Yeah. And you had a police before?

Yeah, we had a police report everything. And the barry was very understanding. This wasn't a purposeful situation. Right. I swear one time, like a tree fell and the guy's, like, the car was in the guy's driveway safely there and something, a freak of occurrence happened. Wow. That's also quite a fair.

That's why during the auction of my 355, and I put it down here in a cement bunker. Same. And I told, no one could touch it or look at it. Same. No one touches his car. Once the car is for sale, it is sold. Someone else's, yeah, someone else's car. And we believe in selling a car is no reserve on cars and bid.

so it truly is somebody else's car. Someone will be buying that car. Right. Yeah, totally. Okay, next question from Kansas Lexus. What is the best car from the year you were born? I was born in 1988. That's an easy one.

Puffy 9-11. Over the F-40. Just kidding. It's obviously the F-40. It is not the E-28M-5. The Puffy 9-11 is a car from the year I was born. Good cars. Good cars from when you're born.

That's a really good car. There were a few. What year were you born? 1995. 1995, easy. F-50. F-50. What are you got? 1994, Fiat Panda. And you know what? I'm going to stag by the F-Panda being the answer here.

Okay, what is the correct answer for him? 94, what was out? 355 was technically a launch and it came out in 94. But really, Ferrari had the 4-5. No great-F-6. Yeah, no great. F-40 was going. Was the question what car came out or just was for sale that year?

Not for sale. All right, great. What was the best car from that year? The original Ford Explore. R.S2 was on selling. I don't even believe it was even sold that. It was ridiculous. How late did they sell that thing? Oh, total, like $2,000. It was really surprisingly late.

What other good cars were out there? 94, the Diablo was on sale, which was pretty great, I guess. It was pretty great. Porsche had nothing too great 968. Hmm. Maybe it is. The Fiat Panda. It's a great car.

No. It's not. 4 by 4, obviously. That's one of the worst cars. How about the one that has the weird extended rear end that was like an armored car? Yeah, that was something. Okay, next question from Dylan Partridge.

Dylan Partridge says, what cars did your parents have when you were growing up? You know why I included this question? People are always saying that I was born into money. Right. Because I have money now, and so people think that. Was there not Alexis? No.

When I was a kid, there absolutely wasn't. And you know what happened? I thought your dad had an Alexis ES 250. We bought an ES 250 for six grand used for my brother as his first car when you turn 16, but by then that car was 15 years old. But we other, the other day, and this doesn't really annoy me all that much, I don't really care, but the other day

we had Hoovey on here, who has this sort of down-home, like, I'm from Kansas kind of vibe. And he's like, my dad had a 9-30 turbo. What else did he say? And I'm like, what the hell? This is insane. So, I wanted to set the record straight here. When I was

born, my parents had a 1981 Volkswagen Jetta and a 87 Camry. I grew up in a 92 Azuzu rodeo with steel wheels and a manual transmission. Desirable, man. Yeah, I know. Right? Four-wheel drive, steel wheels manual.

My mom kept it beautifully, too. And my dad had a 98-Camry. Those were kind of the two cars that I remember the most. Ninety-eight Camry, cloth seat, L.E. Hubcaps, no CD player, no sunroof. Those are the cars that I remember the most from growing up. My parents would replace cars every 10 years. They'd buy them with cash 10 years.

life cycle. And so those are basically the only cars we had. In 2003, my mom bought a Mazda tribute new. And then that, that was it. It was those five cars my entire life they had. What's that? V6 or Fours on there? Yeah, it was a V6, but we bought it in like,

splurge. We bought it in November of 03, and it was a leftover 03. So we were able to get the V6, but it was an end of model year car. It was a great car, too, by the lot. We had that car. My mom sold that car like a couple of years ago. I stole the VIN. If you have a dark red Mazzer

tribute in the Denver area. With VIN? Hang on, hold please, hold please. The VIN of that tribute, this is important. My mom traded this car in, even though it was like a 12,000-mile, you know, old lady driven.

The VIN ends in 1673. That's you. I'm sure it's been crashed because the kind of person buying a used Mazda tribute is not really taken care of it like all mom did. Right. Those were mine. You go ahead. When we lived in Italy still, my dad had a Fiat Maria weekend with a 1.9-liter diesel,

turbo diesel, stick. Tate player. Great car, by the way. The rear trunk opens in, like, of all I see, 90 or in early X5, where, like, the lower part drops down. But it drops down lower than you'd expect. Like, the entire bumper assembly drops, like, the lower portion down. It's quite something. Yeah.

I'm looking at pictures of this. Are you able to pull pictures of? It's Fiat Maria weekend. There was Of course his was It's the wagon He didn't have aloe Let me tell you this

He didn't have aloe's in green Actually that that other picture From Wikipedia comments It's much more accurate The concept Go back to the green one The concept that's got German Plates the concept that a German

Would have bought this car is laugh There was a high-performance version A German would have never bought An Italian car at that time And they never would have bought this color Go to that solar phone So that was the one you had You had those hubcaps

Yeah Oh I see those individual tail lights Yeah it was cool And yeah the rear bumper comes down for easier loading. Oh, no way. I see what it means. I'm sure that didn't break.

300-something thousand kilometers. There were no water ingress issues into the frame. No, it was a good car. Great car. And my mom at the time had a Fiat Ponto. We've hosted a Fiat Pinto once. We hosted a high-performance one on cars and bits.

She had a 60 horsepower one said. These were trash cars. These were, and your parents got more trash cars. They had a Honda pilot. Then later, when we moved to the U.S., my subbed had an XJ Cherokee. which is legit and then we had like a

1995 blazer which is a the new gen blazer yeah we had it in 2005 2007 it was a little used and then we had a Honda pilot okay these are all trash cars

but my mom and stepdad recently bought a deeply used a V60 cross country oh is that true yeah I didn't know that you convinced them to do that they were looking for a different car they were tired of their Honda

fit and it's poor comfort for slightly older people. That's fair. That's nice. I didn't know that. What do you got? Yours were also... Well, so my grandfather worked for Ford, and so that meant that we got a lot of cars using the Z-Plan. I am aware solely of your family owning non-Fords, though. In the Midwest, someone's family always worked for one of the big three, and so that family, thus, always had a Pontiac Grand Prix, even when it didn't make sense. We love it on. You drive around Northwest Ohio, everybody's got a...

Northwest. Yeah, that's true. It didn't matter. It was Northwest Ohio, Northern Indiana, Southern Michigan. Everyone had whatever BS car, their uncle's cousin worked for. And they just, they got, they got employee pricing. So what, what Ford's were you stuck with? So it was quite something. So we had a late 90s Ford Windstar. Oh, a green one. Was it, well, we call it the green man. So the headlights were still quite rounded. It wasn't, wasn't yet. The question to ask is, did it have dual sliding doors? The question that asked? Yes, it did. Wow. So it was like when they came out in 2009, 99, 98.

Yeah, and then we also then replaced that with another Ford Windstar, which was the last generation they did. Did you ever go to the free star? No, no, okay. Good for you. And that car was actually, we had that for a really long time. My mom also had a Ford probe at the time. Ooh.

Which was a manual. But a four cylinder, probably. Yeah, four cylinder. I remember the headlights broke and so my parents then just put them up so they're up all the time. That's what you did. That's what you did. That's what you did. It's pop-ups.

And then we got rid of that car and we got the next wind star. And then my dad had, he had, I'm trying to remember, because we used to call it the rental car. It was a Ford Taurus. Well. And then, because it looked like a rental car. And then he got, after that, he replaced that with a Mercury Sable. My grandfather got a Lincoln L.S. And then gave him a Mercury Sable.

Saddam. Oh, so he went from a tourist to a Sable. He moved up in the world. Yeah. Mercury's plates. He moved up in the world. He moved up in the world. According to Ford marketing, but not according to anybody with eyes. And they kind of had those cars for a while.

My dad then had a Chevy Malibu Man. Why did he switch off at Ford? Because my uncle had the car wanted to get rid of it and it was very inexpensive and he was like, that sounds great Scott. He did seats. I loved the Malibu Backe. The general scope of all this.

It's the only car my father's ever loved. He still talks about the Malibu Max. I'm like... So of course the Trans died. Yeah, that's exactly. He loved it right up until right up until at 78,000 miles. The trains died.

And GM was like, nope. They recently bought a Subaru Ascent, so we'll see how that goes. Well, that's when the Subaru switch happened. He had a base impreza. The over the upshot of all this is that Despite as car enthusiasts we all are All of our parents had utter trash cars Which may have driven us more in that

There's not a single desirable automobile In this group of automobile I didn't tell you guys with my father Currently who lived in Italy What's he grabbed? A Renaultuingo But not Either of the good generations There are Kenons over here thinking

There were good generations look up like a 2013 Renaultuingo It's just like an average looking car deeply average. How did this end up happening? All of the cars are... I'm not sure. Yeah, but these don't look base enough.

Far right. Bad? Yeah, but I actually go like one below that. The white one on. From his, his is white. And it's the basis trim imaginable. But it was while Italy was doing like a, you know,

trading year old car, get $500 off. Crapet. Needless to say, all of our family's cars were total and other trash. and nonetheless we have prevailed and look at us now or at least look at us. One thing to note. Ken and I have scissors. I have one scissors

he has two. All of them drives you're outbacks. That's true. I never realize that. Same generation. I'm going to do one last question as we are coming up on time here. This one from Danny Leo. Very simple question. The very simple answer, Doug, why haven't you reviewed a Hyundai Genesis coupe yet?

The answer is, do you want to tell him? You got one? No. No, it's because one hasn't sold on the site yet. Because every Genesis coupe is heinously modified and clapped out on a level that is almost impossible to describe in the amount of time that we have left. It is almost unbelievable how every one of those cars I see has at least two different colored panels and is lowered with plastic-dipped wheels. I don't know how that happened. All of them.

But I will at some point when a nice one lists on cars and bids here in Southern California with a V6. I will eventually review it. Talk about poor naming, by the way. The Genesis, the Hyundai Genesis, the Hyundai Genesis sedan, luxury sedan. Hyundai Jesus was a car for children. Highly dip their wheels. Right. And then Genesis became a brand.

Right. So the whole thing makes no sense. No coop since. Yeah, good reason. Because they were sick of dealing with those people showing up at the dealers and vaping in the customer lounge. That's our podcast, ladies and gentlemen. Does the Genesis Coup also come with an iPad? Because the Genesis sedan famously came with an iPad.

You could call service your house. The Genesis Coop absolutely. absolutely did not come with an eye. And if it did, the people who have those cars would have pawned it for drugs. All right. Or at least Plasty Dip. Which they would smoke as drugs. And that's our podcast.

Goodbye, everyone. Bye.